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Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver & Raging Bull are widely considered two of the best films of their era that were made in America. He and Robert DeNiro were a powerhouse creative team and they're still considered one of the all-time great collaborations in the history of the medium. This makes it curious that the film that they made together in between these monumental classics, 1977's New York, New York, has been largely forgotten and left out of the conversation.
We're seeking to remedy that with our episode this week and we are happy to be joined by film enthusiast and historian Jim Hemphill. Jim has loved the film since he saw as a young film student and he brings some wonderful and personal insights to the discussion.
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It's been a crazy week, so the show notes will be short and sweet.
Brian Recker is a public theologian, has a new book on Hell coming out at the end of the month, and I had a great time talking with him. In our conversation we cover:
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When Netflix first expanded from being a mail order DVD/Blu-ray service to starting a streaming video service, it was revolutionary. They had top creators making movies and television series and had a wonderfully full library of titles to offer. Then Amazon Prime, Hulu, AMC+, Disney+, Paramount+, Peacock, the many variations of HBO, and more came and the selections of any single given service was severely diminished (Tubi & Kanopy, we love you! Sponsor the show 😉). With costs going up and our collective attention spans diminishing, this is not a recipe for a thriving culture. It's also not a sustainable business model.
To talk about these topics and more, we are joined today by Jeff Rauseo. Jeff is a content creator in the film community who is a passionate advocate of physical media and has written the new book Lost in the Stream: How Algorithms Redefined the Way Movies Are Made and Watched.
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This week we're talking everybody's favorite topic- local politics! But legitimately, it's something that's becoming more important by the day and actually far more fulfilling and invigorating than you may initially think.
We invited our friend Britt (many of you know her as @thebrittbee) to have this conversation with us as she's been such a great example of this since the beginning of the year. Topics covered include:
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It's time to get annihilated! Greg D. of the Nightmare Junkhead, Nerds of Nostalgia & the Screenland podcast (and weekly host of the Friday Night Frigts horror/genre programming at the Screenland Armour theater) joins us to dive into Edgar Wright and Simon Pegg's film The World's End.
Following Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz, The World's End is the third film in what has become to be called "The Cornetto Trilogy." Like the films that come before it, it deals with themes of growing up, accepting personal responsibility, and finding one's place in relationships with others.
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A few months ago we had Marta on to discuss Abbas Kiarostami's Taste of Cherry and it was a wonderful conversation! Towards the end we talked about how it's a shame that his film The Wind Will Carry Us is hard to find and that Criterion should put it out on Blu-ray and behold, on one of the next slate of announcements there it was! When we saw that, we knew we were going to have her back to cover it and here we are.
Like many of Kiarostami's pictures, this deals with matters of life and death, the perspective of children, the beauty in the monotony of daily life, and the creative/artistic process. It's wonderful to have back in circulation and we hope you enjoy the movie (watch free in the link below) and our discussion!
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Bong Joon Ho's second feature film is a challenging watch but it's also a cinematic marvel of incredible substance. Recently, Philip joined Jen and Sarah on Movies & Us to talk about the 2003 film that Criterion calls "a haunting journey into ever-deepening darkness that begins as a black-comic satire and ends as a soul-shattering encounter with the abyss."
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On the eve of the publishing of his first book of poetry, A Rebellion of Care, we are excited to welcome David Gate to The Substance for the first of what will hopefully be many wonderful conversations (listen through until the end for a teaser of what's to come!).
He's blown up on social media as loads of people resonate with his work that's centered around joy and honesty. In this episode we discuss:
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Hey friends! We are back with a month of new to our feed episodes and are kicking off with a feed drop from our pals over at Cinematic Doctrine.
Earlier this year, Philip was invited on to discuss what might be the quintessential American horror film The Texas Chain Saw Massacre and it was a wonderful time. Discussion topics include:
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Tune in next week for a new episode with poet David Gate as we discuss his soon to be released book A Rebellion of Care!
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Tyler Huckabee returns to the show and the late, great Hannibal Lecter makes his Substance debut!
In 1991, Jonathan Demme shocked critics and audiences alike with his sleek, stylish, unsettling, and genuinely fantastic film The Silence of the Lambs. It went on to be the third film in cinematic history to win all 5 of the big awards come Oscar season. The film won Best Picture, Demme won Best Director, screenwriter Ted Tally won Best Screenplay, and Jodie Foster & Anthony Hopkins each won Best Actor/Actress. It was a true cultural phenomenon and in the last 30 years or so, it has lost none of its power or wonder.
We had a great time welcoming Tyler back for this one, one of his self-proclaimed all-time Top 10 films. In this episode we cover:
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Sorry for the publishing delay! And yes, we know it says Tuesday on the intro, etc. It was a holiday weekend and things have been busy. But here we are with a new show and a WONDERFUL conversation with Episcopal priest and author, Reverend Joseph Yoo.
Joseph has grown his online platform over the years on an authenticity and decency that feels so refreshing amidst so many spiritual and religious leaders taking advantage of people or sharing a message absent of love. It's also refreshing that he's not seeking to be a "content creator" but rather just trying to share insights and thoughts with folks in order to encourage them or to help himself work things out by saying them out loud and seeing what others think.
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Hey there, film fam! Been working on this for the last few weeks in between life and our regular episodes but Panic Fest 2025 was such a great time that we wanted to highlight some of the wonderful talent from the festival as well as Screenland Armour, the fest's incredible host!
Panic Fest is a Kansas City based genre film festival that has been running for over a decade and has been recognized by a number of critical organizations as one of the best genre festivals in the world. It's a wonderful blend of feature films, short films, and events where fans and filmmakers can engage and share their love of the medium.
We hope you enjoy these conversations and snapshots from the festival and hope to see you there in person in 2026!
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Joe Lynch
Justin (Rainy Day Books)
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Daniel DelPurgatorio
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As Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan's most recent collaboration, Sinners, is dominating the domestic and worldwide box office, we thought it would be a good time to look at their first project together, Fruitvale Station. Fruitvale is partially the telling of the tragic story of the killing of Oscar Grant in Oakland CA on New Year's Day 2009, but it's so much more. Beyond being a mere recreation of events and the conveying of the awful facts, the film is a beautiful portrait of a young man who is struggling against a system that is set against him and his own difficulties.
In addition to being a star making vehicle for Michael B. Jordan, the film features incredible performances from Melonie Diaz, Octavia Spencer, and Ariana Neal. Coogler and co. received a lot of critical praise for the film which set him up to helm massive projects like Creed and the Black Panther movies for Marvel.
Joining us for our look back is Chicago based film critic Zachary Lee who is a regular contributor to Roger Ebert, Letterboxd, Interview Magazine, Chicago Reader, Think Christian, and more. He's been someone we've wanted to have on the show for a while and he did not disappoint.
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Kogonada. Ever heard of him? The South Korean-born American filmmaker began to get attention for his video essays that analyzed themes and motifs from various films and television series before launching as a writer/director with the film we are covering this week, Columbus (2017).
The movie follows two people who are at a place in their lives where they need to make important decisions related to their family and their future. Jin (John Cho), the son of a renowned architect, comes to Columbus to see his father when he falls ill but is unsure how long he wants to stay and look after him. When he arrives in Columbus (Indiana) he meets and befriends Casey (Haley Lu Richardson), a young woman who is passionate about architecture but hesitant to leave Columbus to pursue her next steps because she feels compelled to stay and be there for her mother who is dealing with addiction issues. It's a beautiful film about space and structures, passion, familial responsibility, and how the relationships we have push us to be the best version of ourselves we can be.
Joining us this week are Kogonada enthusiasts and long time podcasters Jen & Sarah from the Movies & Us and TV & Us podcasts! And if you're listening on the week this drops, take a look at their feed and check out their episode this coming Wednesday with Philip where they cover Bong Joon Ho's Memories of Murder!
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It's always great having a returning guest and this week we're welcoming back a friend we talked to back in 2021. Alexis Busetti is a seminary student and podcaster who we've been following and engaging with for several years. Her weekly show That Makes Total Sense!, is a wonderful listen and always has interesting and thoughtful people on.
This week, she's back to discuss what we've both learned over the last few years of making our shows, how we're preparing to love our neighbors through a socially and politically difficult time, how high control faith systems tend towards acceptance of authoritarians, being people of action, and more!
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Happy April Fools Day, y'all!
Jupiter Ascending is silly and fun and we hope you join author and Kansas City film critic (The Pitch) Abby Olcese as we look at the Wachowskis's ambitious original science fiction fantasy film, Jupiter Ascending.
Starring: Mila Kunis, Mila Kunis, Eddie Redmayne, and Sean Bean.
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Last week we had a great time talking movies with our Canadian friend Marta Djordjevic, so we figured we'd keep it going and double down with another Canadian guest AND a Canadian film (and stay tuned in the post show to potentially hear Marta about this week's film)!
I Like Movies is writer/director Chandler Levack's 2022 directorial debut and it's a complete delight. It's very funny, it's sweet, it's sad, it's cringey, and it beautifully captures a period of life that everyone can relate to whether or not they are a movie lover. It's currently streaming on Kanopy & Hoopla, available to rent on your digital retailer of choice, and is also probably on DVD at your local library. Go check it out!
We are also honored to have had the film's star Romina D'Ugo join us for this conversation! In the film, Romins plays the manager of the store that the protagonist gets a job at while he's attempting to save up enough money to go film school. Over the course of the movie, they grow close and ultimately both help each other move into the next stages of life. We discuss what went into her preparation for the character, filming through Covid, taking it on the festival circuit, and more!
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Way back when the show relaunched in 2020, we had planned on covering Abbas Kiarostami's Palme d'Or winning Taste of Cherry but I was overruled by my then cohosts who, at the time, were not terribly taken with the film. Now almost five years later, I'm excited to return to it with an even greater appreciation of it.
I'm also delighted to be joined on this episode by my internet friend, film historian, critic, and podcaster Marta Djordjevic. Her former podcast, McFly’s Movie House, is a treasure trove of insights and appreciation for cinema and a great way to build your watchlist. She's also a huge Kiarostami fan, with Taste of Cherry being one of her favorite films.
In this episode we do cover the topic of suicide, if you didn't watch or look up the movie
We also talk about the three arguments against it that the film depicts: community, morality, and beauty, we look at Kiarostami's career arc and personal style, why sometimes stories with harsh or challenging content can become comfort viewing for some, and more!
Tune in next week for a back to back Substantive Cinema with Canadian ladies in the film world when actress Romina D'Ugo joins us to talk about her recent film I Like Movies.
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Nazis...I hate these guys.
Seth Vargas of the Movie Friends podcast joins us to discuss Jeremy Saulnier's 2015 punk horror masterpiece, Green Room. When a down on their luck punk band takes a blind gig at a venue that ends up being a skinhead bar, things get gnarly.
We talk Seth's background in the aughts punk scene, Patrick Stewart's terrifying performance, the struggle of the independent artist, how systems can be just as malicious and destructive as individuals, the late Anton Yelchin, and more!
The movie may not be for everyone but we hope you enjoy the conversation!
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Sorry about the unintentional hiatus but we are back! Pre-Super Bowl, I sat down to catch up with Editor Dave to catch up and do a little TTU. David Lynch died and that sucks, but we have an incredible body of work to enjoy forever along with the legacy of inspiration he's left to countless artists. One way or another, Donal Trump won the election and the next four years are gonna be full of things that really suck (for everyone around the world, even the folks who voted for him), however this isn't the end of everything and we talk about the importance of investing in our local communities. We also looked ahead (at the time) to the potential of a Philadelphia Eagles vs Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl rematch and bring back our friendly wager from the last time there was a Philly KC Super Bowl so in light of that...
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We are excited to welcome Alissa Wilkinson back to the show. Alissa is an author and staff film critic for the New York Times. It has been a few years since we had her on the show to talk about the 2019 Greta Gerwig adaptation of Little Women and since then she's written two wonderful books, the most recent being We Tell Ourselves Stories: Joan Didion and the American Dream Machine.
We talk Joan Didion, John Wayne, old Hollywood, growing up in fundamentalism, the subversive spirituality of Martin Scorsese, what Jackass has to say (or show) about male friendship, and much more!
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We are back and joined by crime fiction and television writer Megan Abbott with a Substantive Cinema show on one of Martin Scorsese and Paul Schrader's most underrated films, Bringing Out the Dead!
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Twenty years ago on Christmas Day, Wes Anderson released his fourth feature film into the world. The star-studded Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou was not as an immediate hit as some of Anderson's other films but it's one that has aged incredibly well. Bill Murray leads a cast of phenomenal actors such as Owen Wilson, Cate Blanchett, Willem Dafoe, Jeff Goldblum, Anjelica Huston, and many others as the titular Steve Zissou on a quest for both revenge against the rare (and possibly fictional) shark that killed his partner and best friend, and his long lost dignity and relevance as an oceanographer and documentarian. As funny as it is, the movie also is about a man struggling against his mortality and seeking to repair his legacy. It's charming, exciting, funny, and deeply heartfelt. Whether you revisit this as an old favorite or are coming to it for the first time, we hope you enjoy!
We are also thrilled to welcome Dan McCoy (The Flop House podcast, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart) to discuss the film with us. Dan is a veteran writer, comedian, podcaster, and movie watcher and it was a wonderful time having him on to talk about one of his favorite films.
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Hey there, and Merry almost Christmas! This week we've got a wonderful conversation about faith and art that covers the width and breadth of global, historical Christianity as well as the importance of one's personal spiritual practices. Our guest today is Rev. Ben Lansing who is a professional comic strip artist by vocation as well as running the Our Church Speaks Instagram account. Ben's passion for art, history, and his faith were very encouraging to me, especially as he seems to approach it all with curiosity and humility.
Please enjoy and share it with a friend!
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Four weeks in a row, can you believe it?! This week we are back with a Substantive Cinema pick that we've been excited for for quite some time, Walter Hill's underrated masterpiece Southern Comfort.
The movie follows a squad of National Guardsmen doing exercises in the Louisiana swamps. After some painfully avoidable events, the men become hunted and are on the run for their lives against an enemy of their own making in a place that, while actually being part of their own homeland, they find entirely foreign. On the one hand, the film is a perfectly thrilling and taut entertainment. However, it's also a substantive look at White male entitlement, American exceptionalism, militarism, race relations, and more.
If you enjoyed the film or our discussion we'd love for you to send us an email or voice note. And if you have any suggestions of movies, topics, or guests for future shows, please send those our way as well!
Listen to Mitchell's previous Substantive Cinema appearance
Mitchell's Walter Hill Interview
WH Filmography Ranked
Mitchell on Letterboxd
Purchase the Vinegar Syndrome 4K
Streaming options for Southern Comfort
List of Substantive Cinema movies
If you're newer to the show be sure to check out our library of 150+ episodes with folks like Filmspotting's Josh Larsen, artist Stephanie Stalvey, Jemar Tisby, New York Times film critic Alissa Wilkinson, Propaganda, actor/director John Carroll Lynch, and our old pal Slim (Letterboxd & 70mm Podcast).
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Witness in the City (Radiance Films)
Troy article (Paste)
Ethan & Maya Hawke interview
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Hey! This is our third weekly drop in a row and we've got a great one coming next week as well! We are back (but will probably shift back to biweekly shortly so we don't burnout)!
This week, we welcome back friend of the show Abby Olcese to talk about her wonderful new book, Films for All Seasons: Experiencing the Church Year at the Movies (InterVarsity Press). You may know Abby from her work at The Pitch in Kansas City, RogerEbert.com, Paste, Sojourners, and more OR you may have seen her incredible viral tweet (possibly the last one?!). Either way, we're talking cinema and the church calendar and hope you enjoy!
Topics covered include: liturgical spirituality, the horror movie fan scene in KC, finding and cultivating community during the pandemic, discovering the wonder of The Muppet's Christmas Carol, finding her grandmother's devotional notes at the perfect time, and more!
Letterboxd list of films covered in Films for All Seasons
Lucky episode with Abby and Director John Carroll Lynch
First Think Christian article
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Janet Planet
Red Rabbit by Alex Grecian
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Once again, we recorded this episode a while back (a number of months ago, in this case) but due to the lamentable state of many things in the US, our episode this week feels eerily timely.
For our first Noirvember Substantive Cinema epsiode of 2024, we are looking at one of Samuel Fuller's most celebrated and highly regarded films, Shock Corridor. In the movie, Johnny Barrett, a journalist in pursuit of fame and acclaim, poses as a lunatic in order to infiltrate a mental institution where a murder has taken place. Can he keep his sanity long enough to solve the case and what will be left of him if he can?
In our discussion we cover: how Sam Fuller bluntly portrays America's various psychoses (nationalism, racial hatred, and the worship of violent power) in the three eyewitnesses that Johnny needs to interrogate, the legacy of Fuller's work in filmmakers like Martin Scorsese, David Lynch, Spike Lee, and Jim Jarmusch, the role of journalism in a free society, and more!
Watch Shock Corridor on the Internet Archive
Listen to Mike, Spencer, and I talk about The Naked Kiss, Fuller's follow up to Shock Corridor which also stars Constance Towers.
My discussion of Fuller's war films on The Stacks
Forty Guns episode of The Criterion Connection
Follow Mike's work at Weirding Way
Shoutouts
Spencer: When the Clock Broke by John Ganz
The Surrealism of Friday the 13th
Mike: The Good Fairy
The Strawberry Blonde
Philip: The Snake Girl and the Silver-Haired Witch
If you're newer to the show be sure to check out our library of 150+ episodes with folks like Karen Swallow Prior, Jemar Tisby, Tyler Huckabee, Kaitlyn Schiess, Propaganda, Josh Larsen, Stephanie Stalvey, and John Carroll Lynch.
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We are back! We weren't planning on holding this episode until right before the US Election Day but here we are.
Jon Guerra is an immensely talented devotional music singer songwriter and his new project American Gospel is a beautiful, timely project that some of our listeners put on our radar a while back so we were delighted to have this conversation with him!
We talk music, faith creativity, film (Jon composed some of the music for Substantive Cinema favorite film A Hidden Life), what it means to be a faithful and hopeful believer in such difficult times and more!
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The Song That I Am
Shogun
The Chosen (series)
Reading Genesis
Passions of the Soul
Buy American Gospel
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Happy to be back in your feeds! Our old friend Josh Tiessen (see Ep. 61 for his first appearance on the show) is back with an incredible new book and body of work and we're excited to share this conversation with you!
Purchase Josh's new book!
From Josh's website: Completed between 2020-2023, this new body of work explores two divergent perspectives on wisdom, and how might flourish in a society filled with facts, but mired in confusion. The solo exhibition was on display at Rehs Contemporary Gallery (New York, NY) from April 28 - May 26, 2023.
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John Mark Comer Podcast
The Year of the Flood by Margaret Atwood
Antoni Gaudi
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Happy Father's Day! We will hopefully be back on track with our replay schedule here as we build up to our relaunch!
Tyler Huckabee is someone who's work and perspective I've appreciated for a long time and it was a real joy to sit down and talk about movies and the work of David Lynch with him. We cover our mutual, less than virtuous, introduction to his work in Mulholland Drive, finding humanity in people of all walks of life, the value and wisdom of old age, the importance of tending to our relationships, the beauty of the Midwest & much more!
Consider sharing this episode with a friend who loves the movie (or someone who you think would like it!) and if you have any suggestions for movies to cover on future episodes, please let us know!
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Station Eleven (HBO Max)
X-Men Hickman Amazon & Hoopla
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Hi friends! We are in a busy season at the moment and are working on a number of exciting things for The Substance and to help give us some time to do things at a high level, we are going to take a few weeks to replay some classic episodes from our 150+ show library.This episode was remarkable for how high it made it on our highest download charts when our guest doesn’t have a traditional social media presence. What she does have however, is a track record of high quality work and an email list of folks who love what she does. Our conversation about personal and spiritual formation in a technology saturated world was really valuable for us and as it doesn’t look like our world will be having less tech anytime soon, this should be just as relevant for the foreseeable future. If this is your first time listening to this, we hope you like it! Let us know on social media or email us a note or a voicemail and tell us what you think.Reminder that we are still collecting for a thank you gift for Editor Dave for his great work at The Substance for the last year or so and if you send us something for him on CashApp ($thesubstancepod) make sure to let us know in the notes that it's for him!--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thesubstancepod/support
Hey friends! We are in a busy season at the moment and are working on a number of exciting things for The Substance and to help give us some time to do things at a high level, we are going to take a few weeks to replay some classic episodes from our 150+ show library.Our conversation with Bradly in 2021 was the fastest episode to hit 1,000 downloads and for good reason! We talked not only about CRT but about how and why conversations focused on addressing societal shortcomings and human failure can so easily get hijacked by bad actors and have many people in the general public confused and worked up, often by the wrong things.If this is your first time listening to this, we hope you like it! Let us know on social media or email us a note or a voicemail and tell us what you think.Reminder that we are still collecting for a thank you gift for Editor Dave for his great work at The Substance for the last year or so and if you send us something for him on CashApp ($thesubstancepod) make sure to let us know in the notes that it's for him!--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thesubstancepod/support
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This week on The Substance, we are welcoming back a returning guest and talking about a book that has the best cover we've seen in quite some time! Courtney Ellis returns to the show and this time we are talking about her new book from InterVarsity Press, Looking Up: A Birder's Guide To Hope Through Grief. It's a beautiful book that is part memoir, part counseling session, and part sales pitch for the hobby of birding (Spoiler Alert: we have already downloaded the Merlin Bird ID app since our conversation with Courtney).
We also talk coffee vs. tea, how birding has positively impacted her life (including relationships that span ideological boundaries), natural theology and why we don't need to be afraid of it, the role of her grandparents in her formation, and much more! Courtney is also the first guest we have had who has nerded out with my son about their mutual affinity for the Wild Kratts (stay tuned to the end).
We hope you enjoy the show and if you do, we invite you to write a 5-star review and share it with a friend!
Courtney's previous appearance on The Substance (Ep. 65)!
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Happy April Fool's Day! We had a great time covering Manos: The Hands of Fate back in 2022 and we were bummed that we missed it last year but are delighted to be back this April Fool's with another Un-Substantive Cinema show. This year it's Hot Shots! Part Deux, one of the silliest movies of all time. Written and directed by Jim Abrahams (of Airplane!, Top Secret!, & The Naked Gun) and starring Charlie Sheen, Lloyd Bridges, and Valeria Golino, Hot Shots! Part Deux mirrors the plotlines of films like Missing in Action & Rambo II along with a major subplot from Casablanca. The film is tonally all over the place riffing on movies like The Wizard of Oz, Lady and the Tramp, The Godfather, Enter the Dragon, Star Wars, Apocalypse Now, Predator, and many more! It's pretty juvenile but it's nonstop gags and it's a lot of fun!
Dale_A loves these movies just as much as Philip so he was the perfect guest! We had a great time and we hope you enjoy it too!
Substantive Cinema List
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The Plants of Middle Earth: Botany and Sub-Creation
Masters of the Air
Dale's IG
Bat & Spider podcast
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When people think of the American western movie, it's usually gunfights and cowboys and bank robbers and romance and, if we're being honest, a pretty rough portrayal of nearly anyone who isn't a white man. They can be fun and exciting but they are often devoid of substance and many times can end up promoting some unhealthy perspectives. The fact that John Ford and John Wayne were two of the most prolific and influential figures in this genre makes their work in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance that much more interesting. Rather than being a simplistic tale of a strong, quiet man with a gun saving the day, the movie is far murkier than that and actually examines the legacy of that type of story as well as the American myth in general.Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, and Vera Miles star in this subversive and deeply American tale of violence, deception, passion, disillusionment, and hope and whether or not you're a fan of the western genre, there's quite a lot here to consider and discuss. Which is why we are very excited to welcome Elliot Coen from the Boutique Blu-rays YT channel to the show! He's well versed in the genre and brings a wonderful perspective to it. We hope you enjoy and if you do, be sure to share the show with your friends who would appreciate it!The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is currently streaming on Prime Video in the USPrevious Substantive Cinema ShowsShoutouts:Kubrick: An Odyssey Universal monster moviesDune & Dune: Part Two
Nightmare(s in a Damaged Brain)
Peeping Tom
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Nate is a creator whose work I've followed for almost 15 years and it was an absolute pleasure to sit down and talk with him about his work and the substance behind it. I first encountered his work in Jeff Lemire's acclaimed Vertigo Comics series Sweet Tooth (still need to check out the Netflix adaptation). His style really spoke to me so I went back and read his debut graphic novel, Swallow Me Whole, which won the Eisner Award for Best Original Graphic Novel, and I was in for pretty much everything he made after that.
Most folks know of Nate because of the March trilogy that he did with civil rights advocate and United States Congressman John Lewis and Andrew Aydin. The three graphic novels were massively successful in both critically and commercially but they also have been influential in communicating an important national story and inspiring folks to join the cause and work for a better future. The March books won multiple Eisners (the comic industry equivalent of The Oscars), The Coretta Scott King Award, and made Nate Powell the first cartoonist to win a National Book Award.
We talk about the impact of these books on his life and career as well as the themes of militarism and how war and violence can become culturally pervasive (he shares a great story of getting a positive review from G.I. Joe creator Larry Hama on one of his books dealing with this), how we need to take care to always be pursuing justice and sticking up for folks who can't do it for themselves, as well as being intentional in teaching these values to the next generations.
We hope you enjoy the episode and if you do, be sure to share it with your friends!
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Pre-Order Lies My Teacher Told MeShoutouts:X-Men comics
Holy Food by Christina Ward
Half American by Matthew Delmont
Alpine Sequences (OK Ikumi album)
Love on the Spectrum (TV series)
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Topic Toss Up shows are not really possibly with our current hosting situation as Philip is not terribly keen to record a solo monologue on various topics but we are excited to welcome Trevor back and jump in! Topics covered include: the "Biblical" in our podcast slogan "Biblical. Thoughtful. Human." What do we mean when we say it and do we want to continue using it? What are folks talking about when they say there is a "masculinity crisis" in Western culture and how can we think about it and talk about it in a truthful and fair way? Finally, what is important when seeking to live faithfully in an extremely contentious election year?It was fun to bring this format back and if you would like to hear more of these in the future, email us a voice note or send us a message at TheSubstancePod@gmail.com with your topic suggestions!Shoutouts:Trevor- Paid in Full (Eric B. & Rakim) & We Go Again (Enny EP)Philip- So Late in the Day by Claire Keegan & Fargo season 5Follow Us:InstagramTwitterFacebookYouTube ChannelShare Your Questions/Suggestions/Feedback With Us:Email: thesubstancepod@gmail.comDM on InstagramSupport Us: Support the show with an individual donation on CashApp to $TheSubstancePod or become a monthly Patreon supporter at patreon.com/TheSubstancePod
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Here at The Substance we love engaging with thoughtful art and artists as they are able to get at truth in a way other mediums just are not capable, and among the various forms of art, movies are probably our favorite. That is why we are so delighted to share this exciting first with you all: on this episode we have the pleasure of being joined by a well established actor who recently made his directorial debut, John Carroll Lynch!
John's career as an actor spans over three decades and he has worked with some incredible directors in that time. Folks like Martin Scorsese (right off the bat we get a GREAT Shutter Island story), David Fincher, Joel and Ethan Coen, Clint Eastwood, John Woo, Pablo Larraín, Albert Brooks, Karyn Kusama, Tony Scott, and even Tom Hanks on HBO's From the Earth to the Moon. And a few years ago, he took all those experiences and channeled them into a stunning directorial debut, 2017's Lucky.
Lucky tells the story of a 90-year-old atheist living in small desert town who goes on a bit of a spiritual journey when he is forced to confront his mortality after he experiences a fall. The titular character Lucky is played beautifully by veteran character actor Harry Dean Stanton. It's a role that is infused with so many essential and biographical elements from Harry's own life but it very much stands on its own if you are unfamiliar with his life and career. The town is filled with wonderful actors, many of whom are longtime friends of HDS. People like David Lynch, Ron Livingston, Ed Begley Jr., Tom Skerritt (Harry's co-star in the sci-fi masterpiece and previous SC episode Alien), Barry Shabaka Henley, James Darren, Beth Grant, and more!
The movie is currently streaming on Hoopla so support your local library and check it out! You can also rent it on any major platform. And if you like it even half as much as we do, be sure to tell your friends about it!
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Nyad
Dumb Money
Origin
The Bear (series)
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Valentine's Day comes and goes every year and it's easy to either dismiss it as a commercialized event or to get swept up in the sentimentality depending on one's disposition, but we wanted to avoid both extremes and try to focus on true, genuine love. And we do, buuuut take quite an enjoyable detour on to topics of art, commerce, comic books, and more!
We are joined by artist, curator, and author Ned Bustard. Ned is a longtime artist and printmaker who has been on a run the last few years with children's books at IVP. His book on Saint Nicholas launched IVP Kids two years ago and last year he came out with one on Saint Patrick (a favorite in the Marinello house) and now we have Saint Valentine. Tune in to see what may be next if folks continue to buy these books!
We hope you enjoy our conversation and tune in next time for our first Substantive Cinema featuring the director of the film as longtime character actor John Carroll Lynch joins us to talk about his directorial debut Lucky!
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Buy St. Valentine the Kindhearted
Steve Prince
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Thursday Murder Club
Dr. Who (Research for an updated edition of Ned's Dr. Who book!)
Percy Jackson (New D+ series)
All Creatures Great and Small (series)
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Welcome to The Substance, a variety podcast aimed at being biblical, thoughtful, and human where we seek to engage the culture without the Culture War™. Previous guests include folks like: Johnna Harris (The Bodies Behind the Bus podcast), Daniel Hill (White Awake & White Lies), Esau McCaulley (Reading While Black), Jemar Tisby (The Color of Compromise & How To Fight Racism), and multi-hyphenate artist Propaganda.
Grief is a topic that we have circled on a number of previous episodes and this week it's time to finally dedicate a whole show to it. It is something that many of us have not been properly educated on personally and communally. Hardships are nothing new to the human experience, but with the unique difficulties and risks of the day along with anemic to non-existent grief practices, the modern person is uniquely at risk for the negative effects of unprocessed pain and trauma.
We are joined for this conversation by author and spiritual director Terra McDaniel (shoutout to listener Summer for putting this book on our radar!). Terra has been through her share of grief and it has caused her to lean into it and not only discover and redeem practices of lament for herself, but she has built a ministry in helping equip others to deal with these things as well. The book is simple and extremely practical (and short!) and it's a great resource for a small group or book club type setting with others who are looking to grow in this area.
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Accompanying Others Through Grief class
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The Comfort of Crows by Margaret Renkl
Lessons in Chemistry (Apple+ series & book)
Sampha
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One more show before the year is over! We were really hoping to get this recorded and published before Christmas but scheduling did not allow it. That being said, we are so happy to have artist Stephanie Stalvey back on the show to discuss the follow up to our previous discussion with her in Ep #136 (link below), 1944's The Curse of the Cat People.The previous film, Val Lewton & Jacques Tourneur's Cat People, was an unexpected delight because of how thoughtfully and skillfully it dealt with shame and repression regarding female sexuality, along with it being genuinely thrilling and scary at times. This one is almost equally surprising for how it seemingly turns on a dime and, tonally, hardly bares any resemblance to its predecessor. This time, directed by Robert Wise who went on to direct films like Star Trek: The Motion Picture, West Side Story and The Sound of Music (!), the film shifts and is something akin to a child's fairy tale and deals with themes of parental expectations, the dangers of being controlled by fear & anxiety, and the saving power of kindness. It's a wild swing but, for us at least, it really works. Plus, it's a low key Christmas movie!Check it out for free at the link below and enjoy! Be sure to send us an email or message and let us know what you think of the film!Links:Watch The Curse of the Cat People free (legally) in HD!Listen to Stephanie's Cat People episode!Previous Substantive Cinema EpisodesFear Not! by Josh Larsen (book)Shoutouts:A Bug's LifeA Guest in the House by Emily CarrollThe Dark Dark: Stories by Samantha HuntFollow Stephanie:WebsiteInstagramLook for "Pure" in print January 2026!Follow Us:InstagramTwitterFacebookYouTube ChannelShare Your Questions/Suggestions/Feedback With Us:Email: thesubstancepod@gmail.comPhone: 913-703-3883Support Us: NEW OPTION! We have finally joined Patreon!Support the show with an individual donation on CashApp to $TheSubstancePod or become a monthly Patreon supporter at patreon.com/TheSubstancePod--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thesubstancepod/support
Merry Christmas, y'all! It's been an eventful year and we hope that you all have a nice time of rest over the holiday season.
We're joined here by Tim and Jay Winterstein from the Saints & Cinema podcast. Tim in a Lutheran pastor in Washington State, he writes about movies over at The Jagged Word, and does programming for a couple film festivals in different states. Jay went to film school and is the Senior Programmer for the Newport Beach Film Festival. They love engaging with movies, whether "serious" or just for fun, so they reached out and suggested we talk about how we can engage with and enjoy films that are made all over that spectrum.
Movies discussed: The Boondock Saints, Christmas Vacation, Dumb and Dumber, The Rock, Jackass Forever/Jackass 4.5, The Evil Dead, Calvary, A Hidden Life, Silence, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Spotlight, and After Yang.
Due to scheduling challenges, our Christmas movie episode recording has been delayed but feel free to go back and listen to past year's Christmas shows!
Christmas Movie Episodes:
Little Women (Ep #27)
Elf (Ep #80)
The Matrix Resurrections (Ep #83)
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We are joined by Matt Martens to discuss his new book from Crossway Publishing, Reforming Criminal Justice: A Christian Proposal. Matt is a lawyer who also has degrees in theology and has become passionate about justice and helping folks understand how broken our systems of so called "criminal justice" in America are.
This was a particularly encouraging discussion as many of our previous conversations about justice on the podcast have been with folks who have more or less been kicked out of or made to feel unwelcome in conservative evangelical spaces. Matt positions himself as someone coming to his fellow White conservatives to help inform them of the reality of the situation and we very much hope that his voice will be listened to on this matter!
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Things are a little crazy right now and Editor Dave is in between tech setups so rather than take a week off, we wanted to give you all something new to the main feed that most of you probably haven't heard yet.
A few weeks ago we had film critic, podcaster, and author Sarah Welch-Larson on to talk about Ridley Scott's Alien and it was a blast! We also recorded this bonus show for our patrons on her book Becoming Alien that covers the whole franchise. Since our schedule has been hectic and we're a little compromised tech-wise, we thought we'd put this up for everyone to enjoy (and so that we don't blow our streak of never missing a regular episode drop)!
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Christmastime is right around the corner and we thought about saving this one for another drop or two but we thought it was great conversation and wanted to encourage you all to check out Emily's new book as you prepare for the season.
Emily Hunter McGowin is an author, associate professor of theology at Wheaton College, a priest (she's married to one as well), and canon theologian in the Anglican diocese of Church for the Sake of Others. Her book on Christmas is the latest entry in InterVarsity Press's Fullness of Time series and we couldn't recommend it higher as we approach Christmas.
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Previous Fullness of Time Conversations:
Lent with Esau McCaulley
Pentecost with Emilio Alvarez
Buy Christmas: The Season of Life and Light
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Mission Between The Times
Women and the Gender of God
Pride and Prejudice (1995)
How The Grinch Stole Christmas
Saint Nicholas and the Nine Gold Coins
It's a Wonderful Life
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We hope that you all have had a wonderful Spooky Season and wish you all a Happy Halloween this week! After having Filmspotting's Josh Larsen (no relation to our guest today) on in Episode #135 to talk about a faithful approach to horror and then covering the classic 1942 horror film Cat People, we're closing October out with one of the greatest horror and science fiction films of all time, Ridley Scott's Alien.
Alien tells the story of the crew of the Nostromo, a commercial spaceship that comes across a dangerous and virtually unstoppable lifeform that no one in the crew is prepared for. As a piece of science-fiction/horror it's extremely effective but like many great works of art, you can also have a rich experience when you come it to with different lenses. The viewer can look at it as a piece of social commentary about the plight of the working class people being ground up by the machinery of Capitalism, a gender study and what the films portrayal of men and women says about our prejudices, a theologically significant tale about the nature of evil, and more!
Luckily, we have a guest with us who is qualified to explore all of those facets of the film. Sarah Welch-Larson is a Chicago based film critic, longtime podcaster, and author of a book on the while Alien franchise! She's been on our radar for a while and we're so happy to have her on for this one. This is a film and series that she has dedicated a lot of time and attention to and it was a pleasure to talk Alien with her (next week Substance patrons will get a bonus episode where we cover her book and the other 5 films in the series!).
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After a few serious health scares and wildfires that caused him and his family to evacuate their home for a while, we are very excited to bring you our first conversation with artist and writer Josh Nadeau! Josh is an artist who runs the Sword and Pencil Instagram account where he regularly shares his drawings, writings, and the things that he's learning as he reads widely through Church History.
At the top of the show we get a brief health update (all things are looking good!) and then get right into the transcendentals: Goodness, Truth, and Beauty, and how they lead to a well lived life. We talk about his journey as an illustrator and a writer, our common experience of getting most of an M.Div. at a reformed seminary, the benefit of engaging with material and arguments outside of one's denominational/traditional background, the benefits of a slow life and exercising purposeful boredom, what makes art valuable, and how he met his wife (also an incredible artist)!
Shoutout to listener Lauren Mulford in Michigan for suggesting Josh as a guest more than a year ago! If you have a guest you think would be great for the show, send us an email or DM and we will see what we can do!
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The Wall (Pink Floyd)
Early Bob Dylan
East of Eden
Song of Myself
The Godfather & Part II
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Happy Spooky Season, y'all! On our previous episode with Josh Larsen we teased that we'd likely be covering one of the films we mentioned in our discussion of the theology of horror movies, and it's that time! We're excited to kick things off this October by covering the underseen horror classic Cat People from 1942 (congrats to the folks who guessed it correctly!).
The description on The Criterion Collection's website for the film, in part, reads: "The first of the horror films producer Val Lewton made for RKO Pictures redefined the genre by leaving its most frightening terrors to its audience’s imagination. Simone Simon stars as a Serbian émigré in Manhattan who believes that, because of an ancient curse, any physical intimacy with the man she loves (Kent Smith) will turn her into a feline predator." In its brisk 73-minute runtime, the film is in turn scary, thought-provoking, and incredibly impressive as a artistic work made with such little money and under significant time constraints.
We are also excited to have the perfect guest for this tale of sexual repression & religious fundamentalism, artist and author Stephanie Stalvey. Stephanie writes and draws comics and is most widely known for her graphic memoir "Pure," currently being released on her website with a published collection on its way when it's finished. She writes about her own experiences with fundamentalism and purity culture and a few of her short stories were so thematically similar to the story portrayed in the film (links below), that we had to reach out. The result was a fantastic conversation that we hope encourages and edifies you as much as it did us. And who know, we just may have her back for a Curse of the Cat People bonus for Patreon supporters sometime!
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Fear Not! by Josh Larsen (Filmspotting)
Watch Cat People free on the Internet Archive
Substantive Cinema Letterboxd List
Stephanie IG short 1
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Mad Men (series)
Bluey (series)
Fun Home
Are You My Mother?
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Horror movies often engage their audience on a primal level as they delve into some of our deepest fears, so it's understandable why so many people are sensitive to them and have reservations concerning them. This appears to be doubly true (or more) of people of faith.
Returning guest Josh Larsen is the perfect person to have join us for this topic! Josh is a Chicago film critic and longtime cohost of the prestigious Filmspotting podcast, an editor & podcast host for Think Christian, as well as the author of Movies Are Prayers and the newly published Fear Not! A Christian Appreciation of Horror Movies.
We discuss the question of why anyone, particularly people of faith, would want to watch horror movies then we dive right in and talk about the unique themes and insights that we can gain from engaging critically with horror subgenres like slashers, monster movies, "sex and death," prophetic horror, and more! His book is an excellent introduction to the topic for the horror newbie as well as a good resource for the horror fan who is interested in thinking more deeply about the genre.
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2022 Spooky Season Substantive Cinema with Josh on George Romero's Night of the Living Dead
Letterboxd list of the films discussed in Fear Not!
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All 4 Terraform EPs are now out in the world, along with a Nautilus Award winning book, so we figured it was time to have Propaganda back on the show!
Prop is a poet, political activist, academic, emcee, podcaster, author, and now a coffee entrepreneur. We're happy to have him back to look back on the whole Terraform project and talk about how it was impacted by Covid, the aspects of it he's most proud of, what he hopes that people get from it and more! It was also great to get to the bottom of his interest in Talladega Nights and what we can learn from Ricky Bobby's radical lack of self-awareness.
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Terraform: The Possibility
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It's Substantive Cinema time again and we're excited to be looking at Affliction, a film that Writer/Director Paul Schrader considers to be a Top 4 project of his (along with Taxi Driver, Mishima, and the topic of our inaugural SC episode, First Reformed).
Affliction tells the story of Wade Whitehouse (Nick Nolte in a heartbreaking and Oscar nominated performance), a man deeply broken by his relationship with his abusive father (James Coburn in a brutal, Oscar winning performance) trying to find meaning in his small-town life amidst a series of trials both real and imagined. It's a wonderful film but beware that it is a pretty hard watch if you decide to watch it before you listen. Affliction is currently streaming for free on Tubi & Amazon Freevee.
And we are also delighted to welcome Senior Letterboxd Editor, Mitchell Beaupre to join us for this conversation! Mitchell is a longtime Schrader fan and apologist and interviewed him just a few months ago during the release of Master Gardener (link below).
This isn't a film that's necessarily "fun," but we hope you enjoy our conversation and appreciate the movie if you check it out!
Substantive Cinema Library
Mitchell's Paul Schrader interview
Walter Hill Ranked (Paste Magazine)
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Kingdom of Heaven (Roadshow Edition)
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In 2020, a very normal and chill time, Kaitlyn Schiess released her first book, The Liturgy of Politics. It was thoughtful and encouraging call to believers to approach their politics, particularly locally, in a way that actively honors God and prioritizes the well-being of our neighbors. We were privileged to have her on the show and talk about that book and those ideas (link below) and we have been waiting for her follow-up book ever since!
Now, just a couple weeks away from the wide release of her second book, The Ballot and the Bible, we are excited to have her return (along with Trevor Akin making his guest host debut)! We talk about the history of the use of Scripture in American politics, the importance of community in biblical interpretation, the price of critical thinking, and more.
Be sure to tag us and Kaitlyn when you share this on social media (and tell her "Happy Birthday!") and look out for a chance to win a copy of TBatB later this week on Instagram & Twitter!
Kaitlyn's Previous Appearance:
46: Substantive Stories feat. Kaitlyn Schiess | The Liturgy of Politics
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Self Made by Tara Isabella Burton
Terraform: The Possibility (Propaganda)
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Earlier this year, we were joined by Dr. Esau McCaulley (one of our favorite episodes we've done!) to talk about his new little book on Lent which kicked off InterVarsity Press's The Fullness of Time series. Now we're excited to continue on to the second entry, Pentecost, written by Bishop Emilio Alvarez.
In addition to Pentecost, we spend much of our time on a favorite topic of ours here at The Substance- Christian unity. Bishop Alvarez has been engaged in ecumenical ministries for quite a while, so much so that about 10 years ago he was invited to The Vatican to engage with The Pope and other church leaders on the topic of unity (which we absolutely talk about)!
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Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist
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When we had Josh Larsen of Filmspotting on in October to talk The Night of the Living Dead we were not planning to kick off a 5 film series on Criterion Collection titles but here we are. We had some fantastic discussions, with a number of excellent guests, but we wanted to zag a little bit and go in a different direction with this one. Of course Raging Bull and Matewan are substantive films, but what can we glean from Liam Neeson fighting wolves in Alaska?
To help answer this question, we are joined by our old pal Slim (editor and host of The Letterboxd Show & 70mm). Talking points include: Liam Neeson being a Schrader-esque man at a desk, a very impressive plane crash, incredible wolf special effects, memorable & touching death sequences (many of which do not involve wolves at all), the problem of evil/suffering, and a question that may have never been asked before- is The Grey the first and only elevated action movie?
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Previous Substantive Cinema shows Joe Carnahan & Liam Neeson Interview
Slim on Letterboxd
Philip on Letterboxd
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Letterboxd Show
70mm podcast
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The Flash
Asteroid City
Insidious Red Door
Patrick Wilson Letterboxd Show ep
The Trial
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Spiritual abuse is something we have talked about many times on the show, and on this episode we are joined by someone who, after enduring this herself, decided to make it her mission to help others who have as well by giving them a platform to tell their stories. Johnna Harris launched The Bodies Behind The Bus podcast at the end of 2021 and for the last year and a half has helped to share survivor stories in order to fight for goodness and truth in the Church.
We talk systems & structures and why broken ones are so difficult to improve, cultivating spiritual communities where it's safe to be our whole selves as we seek to grow, when it's best to take a cue from the prophet Malachi and just shut a church or ministry down, and most importantly why folks struggling to hold on to their faith can have hope.
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Ted Lasso
Colossal (with Anne Hathaway)
Will of the People (Muse)
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Hey everyone! We thought it would be nice to take an episode and do a check in with ourselves and you all. Philip and Dave are hard at work putting things together for first few months of our 3.0 era and we wanted to let you all in on the conversation.
They go a little into the history of our first two incarnations but the bulk of the time is spent talking vision and goals for the podcast, our commitment to telling compelling, God-honoring stories, and the growth of local communities that are formed in order to benefit everyone in their proximity.
We have some exciting episodes/guests on the schedule and some that we have already recorded with and we look forward to continuing to encourage curious, thoughtful folks for many more seasons to come!
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Philip: Smartless: On The Road documentary & podcast
Dave: The Wingfeather Saga & Now, Not Yet by half•alive
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If you're in Kansas City and listening to this when it drops, we hope you can join us for a Substantive Cinema screening of Raging Bull at Screenland Armour at 3:45pm!
How have we gotten this far without covering a Martin Scorsese film?! It's wild. Today we break the Scorsese seal with perhaps his deepest dive into the human condition with his Oscar-winning 1980 masterpiece Raging Bull.
The film is famous for many things, it's Oscar wins (and even more, its losses), the launching of Joe Pesci as a mainstream actor, the incredible black & white cinematography from Michael Chapman, but more than anything else, what Raging Bull does is give viewers the opportunity to fully embody the life of its complex protagonist, Jake "The Raging Bull" LaMotta. Scorsese and DeNiro show us the highest highs and lowest lows of the human experience here and it's hard not to be taken in. LaMotta is not an overly sympathetic character but he is one that is deeply empathetic. You want to see him win and to be a good husband and father and brother. He often makes the wrong choices but in those decisions, audiences get to see the darker sides of themselves reflected and the tragedies that LaMotta brings on himself serve as a warning to where our basest impulses can lead us. It's not an easy watch but it can be an immensely rewarding one when viewed through the lens of our common humanity and seeking for a redemption that we fear we may be unworthy of.
If you end up watching it, we'd love to hear from you! Email us a voice note or send a voicemail and we''ll play it on a future episode!
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Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret.
Blackberry
Becoming Alien by Sarah Welch-Larson
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We're still here! Our 2.0 era has come to a close but I'm very grateful to bring you all the next episode without interruptions!
Today I'm joined by the Rural Church Voices team which consists of returning guest Olivia Meade, Will Basham, and Jason Cook. All three of them have released books individually (check out Ep #117 to hear us talk Ordinary Faithfulness with Olivia), and now they have gotten together to edit Church Out Here. Church Out Here is a great little resource for both pastors and members of rural churches who are looking to be faithful to God and to one another. In addition to our three guests, contributors include Christian Crouch, Sam Byers, Jim Drake, Michael Meadows, Ricky Love, Chris Priestly, Justin Honaker, Danny Rumple, and Seth Polk.
Whether you find yourself in a big city or a small town, we hope you are encouraged!
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Will- Pastoring Small Towns by Ronnie Martin & Donnie Griggs
Olivia- The Thursday Murder Club books
Jason- Holy Luck by Eugene Peterson
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It's the end of an era (but not the end of the podcast)! We all loved being a part of The Substance 2.0 and are extremely grateful for everything we were able to accomplish in it. From talking with authors, artists, and public figures that we admire, to watching and reading things together that stretch and challenge us, but most of all we are to happy to have played a small role in encouraging folks to think and live well.
Thank you for listening and engaging with us over the last 3 years. You have been a huge encouragement to us as well and we look forward to seeing what God does with the show going forward!
We hope you enjoy this look back at 125+ episodes (with our special releases) and feel free to pray for Philip as he tries to figure out how to keep the show on track and edited properly as the show moves forward!
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Happy Easter, everyone! We hope you have had a refreshing Lenten season and that your Easter celebrations today were encouraging and soul-stirring.
On this episode we welcome back longtime friend of the show, Brett McCracken (who was our first guest), back for his fifth appearance on The Substance. Brett is a writer, a film critic of 15+ years, and he's currently a Senior Editor at The Gospel Coalition where he covers culture and the arts. Previously, we've looked at three other Malick films (links below) and one that was very much Malick adjacent (Minari, also below).
This time, we're going back to the beginning. 50 years ago, Terrence Malick's Badlands debuted at the New York Film Festival where it was the star of the show, even overshadowing Martin Scorsese's Mean Streets in the eyes of many. Badlands is an impressionistic reimagining of the Charles Starkweather story. It's one forgotten to many now, or mainly known because of this film, but to the generation of filmgoers in the early 70s, this was a chilling and familiar story that was deeply tied into American culture.
Badlands is not currently on any of the subscription streaming services but it's available to rent or purchase on several platforms. It is also available to purchase from The Criterion Collection and is likely at many of your local libraries! :)
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Tree of Life Ep. 8
A Hidden Life Ep. 19
Minari Ep. 49
The Thin Red Line Ep. 91
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It's topic toss up time again, and Trevor & Philip are back with one topic suggested by an audience member and one of their own!
The Super Bowl was a great time this year. It was great to see the Chiefs win again, especially so due to a bet with the TGAT podcast. One of the "hot topics" that folks were talking about in the aftermath was the commercials that ran a few times during the game...for Jesus? The "He Gets Us" ads got a wide variety of responses and since a listener here in KC asked, that's up first!
Secondly, a topic that has come up tangentially before but one not discussed specifically, it's time to talk about a theology & practice of discipleship. What is the goal of discipleship? How do we pursue it and practice it with folks who are seeking guidance from us? How do we determine whether or not we are engaging in it successfully? Etc.
It's always fun to do these and if you have anything you'd like us to cover in future TTUs, shoot us a message (info below)!
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The Gospel According To... Podcast (Philip was a guest on V1 Ep 11)
Ep #7 TTU Tract Carpet Bombing
Ep #46 Kaitlyn Schiess (The Liturgy of Politics)
Ep #120 Esau McCaulley (Lent)
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"Politics" is something that many people like to shy away from engaging directly in their public platforms and personas, and some elect to abstain from even discussing it with their friends and family. It's also something that churches often like to refrain from addressing in their preaching and ministries. Yet, it's in inescapable reality of living in a time and place. Furthermore, it's something that churches are necessarily affecting.
In White Evangelical American churches there is a reliable partisan voting block (94% of that demographic votes for 1 party), many receive pressure to talk about hot button culture war issues like CRT, abortion, books in schools etc., often a church's library is stocked with one-sided views on cultural issues, and it is a common view among a congregation and leadership that one of the two major American parties is immoral, or markedly more immoral than the other. This is politically forming whether pastors/leaders like to think of themselves as a "political church" or not.
Wherever you locate yourself in this discussion, we hope it's edifying to you and would love to hear your feedback!
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Practicing the Way
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It's always fun to have a returning guest back with us and today we are pleased to welcome friend of the show Jesse Eubanks back for his fourth full episode with us!
Jesse is the Founder & Executive Director of Love Thy Neighborhood, host of the Love Thy Neighborhood & The EnneaCast podcasts, and now he's the author of How We Relate: Understanding God, Yourself, and Others through the Enneagram ( pub. Zondervan).
Since we've already done an episode on the enneagram itself (also with Jesse!), we didn't spend much time on going deep into it here, instead we focused on Jesse's approach in the book of using it as a tool to better understand God and humanity. Listeners may have recently seen or heard artist/author/speaker/etc. Jackie Hill Perry speak out strongly against the enneagram (2 weeks before the book's release). Jesse opens up about what that was like and some of the effects it has had honestly and humbly. He will also be following up on her statements specifically on a future episode of Truth Over Tribe.
We hope you enjoy our discussion with Jesse! If you do, be sure to share with a friend and on social media and please consider joining us as a monthly or one off supporter.
Previous Episodes:
Ep 17 Reflects: Social Justice (an episode that was in our Top 10 for years!)
Ep 48 Reflects: Enneagram Triads & Types
Ep 50 Vincent's Enneagram Type Reveal
Ep 100 Extravaganza
Links:
Buy the book & give it a 5 star review
Good Reads
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The Jesus I Never Knew by Philip Yancey
Bart Campolo & Philip Yancey conversation
Yancey books
The Midnight (band)
Sir Sly (band)
Flor (band)
Nightly (band)
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It is such a pleasure to share our conversation with Dr. Esau McCaulley with you all this week! Reading While Black was a huge book for us and we have been trying to get him on the show for a little over two years so this was a real joy for us and we hope it is for you too.
Dr. McCaulley is currently a Theologian in residence at Progressive Baptist Church in Chicago, a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times whose work has also appeared in The Atlantic, Washington Post, and Christianity Today, he is also the author of four previous books which have won numerous awards, with more books on the way!
We talk about the resurgence of the Liturgical Calendar in the broader American religious context, the new Fulness of Time series on it from IVP of which Esau's new book Lent kicks off, the biblical imperatives to pursue justice, MLK, the benefits of finding and committing to a refreshing local assembly of believers, and more.
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Lent
Reading While Black
Josey Johnson's Hair and the Holy Spirit
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Examination of Conscience
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John- Marianne Meye Thompson
Restoration & Church Clothes 4 from Lecrae
The Rookie (show)
The Great British Baking Show
L.A. Lakers
North American Slave Narratives
African American Readings of Paul (Primo bibliography)
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On this episode of "The Substance," Trevor and Philip dive into the highly anticipated and box office-breaking (already the 4th highest grossing film of all time!) sequel to James Cameron's blockbuster hit Avatar, "Avatar 2: The Way of Water." We discuss the advancements in technology and filmmaking as well as the deeply human themes that have made it so resonant with audiences around the world.
Next, the conversation shifts to the topic of nepotism in Hollywood and sports. The hosts touch on some recent headline events in US Soccer and how it relates to the larger conversation of "nepo babies" in the entertainment industry. They offer insights both on the ways in which nepotism can be detrimental to diversity and representation, how in many ways it's an unavoidable reality, and how it can be addressed in the future.
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Links: https://www.vulture.com/article/what-is-a-nepotism-baby.html
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Philip: The Banshees of Inisherin (Currently streaming on HBO Max)
Trevor: Alamo Drafthouse
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We didn't plan to have back to back episodes on West Virginia but here we are. Substantive Cinema is back and this may be our most obscure film pick yet, but it's a great one! Matewan (1987 Dir. John Sayles) is a historical drama about the labor strikes in a WV coal mining town that lead to a bloody shootout in the streets. Not only is it an excellent film (with an Oscar nomination for Haskell Wexler's cinematography), but it's also a good history lesson for those of us who didn't grow up in West Virginia and were not taught about it in school. Unions and workers rights will likely be the topic of a future Reflects episode and we thought this might be a nice way in as well as nice introduction to an underappreciated film.And since it's not the easiest movie to track down, we'll be giving away a Criterion Blu-ray to one lucky listener. Stay tuned on socials!Article: https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6664-matewan-all-we-got-in-commonPrevious SC episodes: https://letterboxd.com/philipmarinello/list/substantive-cinema/Shoutouts:Philip: Small Things Like These by Claire Keegan https://www.amazon.com/Small-Things-These-Claire-Keegan/dp/0802158749/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28FWNWV4Q91JQ&keywords=small+things+like+these+claire+keegan&qid=1673661960&sprefix=small+thi%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-1Trevor: Men in Blazers podcast https://podnews.net/podcast/ibxl/listenRemember, if you like the show, share it with your friends!Follow Us:www.thesubstancepod.comwww.instagram.com/thesubstancepodwww.twitter.com/thesubstancepodwww.facebook.com/thesubstancepodhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyJ1Bgzq17PDNiAR1pnDXcwShare Your Questions/Suggestions/Feedback With Us:Email: thesubstancepod@gmail.comPhone: 913-703-3883Support Us:Support the show with an individual donation on CashApp to $TheSubstancePod or become a monthly supporter at the Anchor link below!https://anchor.fm/thesubstancepod/support--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/thesubstancepod/support
Happy New Year, everyone! We hope you all had a nice holiday season and that you had, or are planning to make, some time set aside for reflecting on what you went through in 2022 and to plan for what you would like to focus on in 2023.
It's been a while since we have had back to back episodes in the same format (if you're new to The Substance, we're a variety show with 4 formats that we try to have a decently even mix of), but the Substantive Cinema episode that we'll be dropping on the 15th, which has an unintentional connection with this one, seemed like an odd choice for a New Year's Day release. But we love good books and you love good books so we're excited to share this one with you!
Olivia Meade is a wife, mother, church leader, and in May of 2022 she released her first book, Ordinary Faithfulness: How Your Ordinary Life Reflects an Extraordinary God. It was published by Rural Church Voices, a "small collaboration of leaders who care deeply for the rural church and long to provide voices of support through writing, speaking, and practical training." We love the model of people writing to edify The Church rather than trying to top bestseller lists or build a brand. Olivia cares about building up the regular women and men who fill our churches and to encourage them in their day to day lives. We love this and hope you are encouraged too!
Reminder that our IVP Holiday Sale is still going through 1/15 and that you can get 30% off + free shipping on InterVarsity Press titles from folks like Jasmine Holmes, Esau McCaulley, Josh Larsen, Kaitlyn Schiess, Alan Noble, Trevin Wax, and more!
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RC Sproul's biography
Puzzles with 4 y/o
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New book coming out 2023!
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Happy Holidays, Substance fam! We hope you are all enjoying the holiday season and carving out time for joy and contemplation along with all the festivities that go along with it. For our last show of 2022 we wanted to take an episode and devote it to the Advent & Christmas season and to do so, we invited a guest! Bette Dickinson is an artist and author from Traverse City, Michigan and she just released a beautiful new Advent devotional from InterVarsity Press, "Making Room in Advent: 25 Devotions For a Season of Wonder."
The book begins each day's reading with a painting to stop and reflect on and invite the reader to engage in visio divina (Latin: divine seeing). We talk with Bette about her art and how engaging with it can help us in ways that a merely textual devotional may not, how the incarnation spotlights the lowly & underrepresented, the joys of slowing down during the holiday season, and more!
We hope you have had a wonderful year and we look forward to being back in your feed on New Year's Day. Merry Christmas!
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Small Group Kensington Church
The Firekeeper's Daughter by Angeline Boulley
Celtic Benediction by J. Philip Newell
Honest Advent by Scott Erickson
Westbay Handmade
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Since our first episode, we've been focusing on being faithful in the political sphere without becoming partisan or falling into political idolatry. It's something we have come back to many times and it's where we find ourselves again at #115. Recently, National Conservatism had one of their national conferences in Miami and more than a few aspects of it were troublesome and alarming. From pastors sharing the stage with brazenly dishonest and power hungry politicians, to folks in high standing at one of the world's most influential seminaries spouting literal KKK talking points, to the baptizing of people and ideas that are plainly opposed to God's character merely because of political identity, and more.
If you watched or read any of the speeches or read the statement, we'd love to hear from you! Send us a voicemail or an email with your thoughts and you just might make it on to a future show!
Statement
Mohler's speech
Christianity Today Article
The Substance Ep #84
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Trevor: World Cup Soccer
Philip: The Hell We Create by Fit For a King
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Happy Noirvember, Substance fam! We've got a special bonus Substantive Cinema episode for you all here and it's another classic (that happens to also be in the Criterion Collection). Double Indemnity is widely considered the first "real" noir film made in the studio system. It's also a stark cinematic portrayal of the principle in Proverbs 1:10-18.
Double Indemnity tells the story of an insurance salesman who is lured into a "perfect murder" by the wife of one of his wealthy policy holders. It's not a spoiler to say that things do not go according to plan but the way that the film unfolds, particularly the insurance agent's relationship with his friend and would be mentor (played by the incredible Edward G. Robinson).
We also are joined by a guest! For this one we reached out to film critic, Seeing And Believing (a Christ and Pop Culture podcast) host, and noir aficionado, Kevin McLenithan. Kevin was a pleasure to have on and had some great recommendations for listeners looking to go deeper down the noir rabbit hole.
If you enjoy our conversation, we'd love it if you shared it with a friend! And if you listen the first week this is out, good luck in our first podcast only giveaway!
Shoutouts:
Liberation Day by George Saunders
The Silmarillion by Tolkien
Becoming Alien by Sarah Welch-Larson
Noir Recommendations:
Sunset Boulevard
The Big Sleep
Out of the Past
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Vincent was off on a tropical vacation when we recorded this, so it's The Substance 1.0 team on this Topic Toss Up! This time around we're considering "family worship" and taking a listener question about Fundamentalism.
All of our lives are worship and much of family life is discipleship but is there something more specific and structured that we should all be striving for? Fundamentalism has a lot of connotations so how do the social, moral, and theological strains relate to one another? Join us as we discuss these things and be sure to chime in by sending us a voicemail, email, or messaging us on the socials.
Have a great week and we'll be back in your feed next week with a special Noirvember Substantive Cinema episode on the classic film, Double Indemnity.
Phil Vischer video "What is an Evangelical?"
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ESPN 30 For 30 podcast, The Sterling Affairs season 5
JID The Forever Story
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It won't take you long listening to this one to realize that something's a little different. All three hosts have been busy recently and Trevor & Vincent were unable to make this recording so Philip is hosting solo here. Thankfully we have a wonderful guest so he won't be monologuing. Philip is joined here by Myles Werntz (Peacemonger). Myles is Associate Professor of Theology and Director of Baptist Studies at Abilene Christian University, Grad School of Theology. He also is an author of multiple books (with more than one book that released this year alone!), the most recent of which is From Isolation To Community: A Renewed Vision For Christian Life Together from Baker Academic. As you may imagine by the title, this is another episode heavily featuring theology of place. They also look at the role of The Church & churches. Why do we assemble together and what are we trying to accomplish? Myles also presents an impassioned case for not only church membership but denominational/traditional commitment over the long haul. We hope that you are encouraged and edified! If you are, consider sharing with a friend or on social media. Have a great week and we'll be back in your feed on the 20th!
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It's October 2022 and Spooky Season is upon us once again! Horror films consistently deal with substantive themes but it can be easy to overlook them if it's not a genre one naturally gravitates to. This year we are excited to visit a classic film that is responsible for the modern conception of the zombie, George Romero's The Night of the Living Dead (1968).
We are also happy to be joined by author and Filmspotting & Think Christian podcast host, Josh Larsen. Josh is a longtime horror lover and has an upcoming book next year about Christian reflections on horror movies. We talk horror film history and the contributions of George Romero, how the low budget nature of the film's production helped it gain classic status, the zombie as collective society, and how the inescapable realities of race in America gave NOTLD even more resonance when they cast Duane Jones in the lead as Ben.
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Past Substantive Cinema Horror Episodes:
The Thing (feat. Mike White of The Projection Booth podcast)
Get Out (feat. pastor & Off The Pulpit host Eugene Park)
Us
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The Battle For Middle Earth by Rutledge
The Lord And The Rings ebook
Think Christian Barbarian/Halloween (1978) episode coming soon (link below!)
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There's a lot we want to avoid as we wade into the topic of sexual ethics but we figured that it was probably time to start. It's an important and inescapable part of living in society, especially if we are seeking to live in a manner that pleases God and honors our fellow man. Bear with us but please feel free to reach out with any suggestions or feedback after you've listened!
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Philip: The Patient (TV Show)
Vince: Gwen Bunn "Waste Time"
Trevor: After School Radio- Death Cab For Cutie & Transatlatacism
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We're back tossing it up with some new topics! This episode we talk about Matt Chandler's announcement about stepping back from ministry because of a (allegedly non-sexual, non-romantic) relationship with a woman and what that says about the state of many modern American churches. We also look toward the future and how augmented reality may affect how we relate with one another and even how we do spiritual formation. Finally, we look at how churches do and should function in regards to their affects on individuals and communities.
If you have any thoughts on these topics or suggestions for future topics or guests, send us an email or a voicemail!
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Philip: Salty by Alissa Wilkinson
Vince: "Waste Time" by Gwen Bunn
Trevor: The Bible Memory App
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Homelessness is a serious and complex problem around the world and at home. It's also a problem that we have some powerful solutions available to us. This week we reflect on the topic with seminary graduate, homelessness advocate, and recently published author Kevin M. Nye. His new book Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call To End Homelessness is now available to buy and read and the final sentence in it's Amazon description is: "This thorough and intimate book shows us that from the margins, Jesus has something to teach us all about grace--something that could change the landscape of homelessness entirely if we're ready to hear it."
We hope this is eye-opening, challenging, and ultimately encouraging as we all seek to think and live more like Christ in how we see and love those around us who are experiencing difficulties!
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Kevin: Spider-Man & Daredevil comics, Stranger Things & Only Murders in the Building
Trevor: "Ghosts" by August Burns Red
Philip: Goodnight Paradise by Joshua Dysart & Alberto Ponticelli (comic/graphic novel)
Vince: "Been Calling" Maleek Berry
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We've covered a lot of great movies on the podcast before (see list below), but we may have never been more on the same page as this one. Everything Everywhere All at Once is a funny, action-packed, mind-bending film that deals with multiverse theory and features several alternate universe versions of its protagonists, but at its heart it's ultimately a story about a multigenerational family learning to live with and love each other.
Joining us to discuss this film is returning guest and SOLA Network editor, Hannah Chao and her husband, filmmaker Jason Chao. We so our best to cover both the universal and specific themes in the film and talk: intergenerational relations, social media overwhelm and its inherent dangers, the Asian American immigrant experience, and the power of empathy & kindness. It was an absolute pleasure and we hope you enjoy it!
Shoutouts:
Hannah: Pappasito's Cantina (Tex Mex chain)
Jason: Atlanta S3
Trevor: Stranger Things S4
Philip: Reservation Dogs
Vince: Severence
Jason:
Film can be viewed on his website: https://risingstory.com/
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/jasonthechao/
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SOLA Network https://sola.network/
List of previous Substantive Cinema episodes https://letterboxd.com/philipmarinello/list/substantive-cinema/
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Yes, it's been since early April since we've put out a TTU episode, but we've got a great one for you here! Topics covered on this episode include: the importance of thankfulness in the Christian life, the recent development in some church circles to proudly embrace the label "Christian Nationalist" along with its tenets, and how Proverbs 26:4-5 (4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.) applies to our interactions on social media.
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Philip: Wise Blood film
Trevor: Reparations book
Vince: Sho Baraka "All I Want Freestyle"
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Overturning the United States Supreme Court ruling on Roe v. Wade has been something that anti-abortion folks have had their sights set on for years and recently, they seem to have got their way. On a previous Reflects show on abortion, we discussed aspects of why this was a goal and some potential issues with it but now it's a reality and the conversation is a lot more sobering.
We know that this issue is complex and none of us are legal experts (or women) but we hope that we're able to start the part of this conversation in a post-Roe world in a biblical, thoughtful, and human manner and we'd love for you to join us! Send us an email, DM, voicemail and join the discussion.
Episode 45 on Abortion
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Vince: Justin Timberlake "Say Something" single
Philip: The Bear (TV Show)
Trevor: Hot Ones Interviews: Gordon Ramsey & Tyra Banks
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We realize it's been since April that we did our last Substantive Cinema (a great show with Tyler Huckabee that you should all listen to and share with others if you haven't yet!), the perils of pivoting release schedules but we're back on track with an excellent one!
Jordan Peele's 2017 directorial debut Get Out was a smash commercial and critical success (and we had Eugene Park on to discuss that back on Ep #62, link is below). Anticipation and expectations were high for his follow up two years later, and though his next effort, Us, released to very mixed reactions, there's an abundance of substance there and we had a great time revisiting it as we look forward to his next movie, Nope, releasing this coming weekend!
Give it a listen and send us an email or a voicemail and let us know what you thought of the film and our takeaways. And let us know if there's someone you think we should reach out to for inevitable SC episode on Nope!
Substantive Cinema on Get Out with Eugene Park https://podnews.net/podcast/i4ia5/listen/episode/YjNhMjNhYmMtYTY5Yi00MmFmLWJkMWMtYmEyY2RhMzNjNjMy
Alissa Wilkinson Vox Review https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/3/20/18274105/us-review-jordan-peele-jeremiah-doppelganger
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Philip: The First Purge (Film, 2018)
Vince: Searching (Film, 2018), Skeletons by Labrinth (song), The Lead Attorney YT Channel
Trevor: The Battle for Polytopia (mobile game)
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We've been talking about doing this for a while now and a number of listeners have suggested it previously so we are very excited to bring you the first Substance Wives Takeover show! Sadly, we only have two thirds of our wives on this one but we think you're going to enjoy it! This week Anna Marinello & Christina Akin are joined by their friend and local Kansas City artist Crissi Curly to talk about her art and how she's chosen to use her platform to spotlight and promote joy and flourishing.
Crissi's work is a blessing to us and we hope it's a blessing to you as well!
Shoutouts:
Beyonce
Kultivate Coffee
Find Your People by Jenny Allen
Thirty Minutes with The Perrys podcast
The Porter's Gate- Climate Vigil Songs
An American Marriage & Silver Sparrow by Tayari Jones
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We're back with the core Substance Team doing a Reflects episode but sadly we are back talking about abuse and how it is mishandled in the Church. Some have already moved on as the Guidepost Solutions Report was released a whole month ago but we wanted to take some time to read it (though not in its 288 page entirety), digest it, and see what others were saying instead of just adding to the pile of hot takes that are out there. The grievous actions (and inactions) described in the report are great and we hope that we've treated them with the measured thoughtfulness they deserve. It's not a fun topic but if you have any thoughts you want to share with us, feel free to email us or leave a voicemail (it is 2022, after all).
Sources Mentioned:
Doc & Devo podcast
The Holy Post podcast
Full Guidepost Solutions Report
List SBC Kept of Alleged Abusers
Houston Chronicle Resources
WSJ on The Rights of the Accused
CBN Endorsed Piece, American Reformer Blog (Not Good)
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We are excited to welcome back Kyle Strobel to The Substance! Kyle is a preacher, the Associate Professor of Spiritual Theology and Formation at Biola's Talbot School of Theology, and the author (and co-author) of several excellent books.
You may remember Kyle from when we had him on back on Episode 66 (Listen here!) and talked about our relationships with power. We highly recommend checking that out if you haven't yet!
This time Kyle joins us to talk about something we'd all like to have a better handle on- prayer. Topics include: What's on the line when it comes to our prayer lives, "the good news" of prayer, why we shouldn't try to "fix" ourselves, the role of personal and communal lament in our prayers, and more!
We hope you enjoy and are encouraged by this. If you are consider sharing it with your friends and family as word of mouth is the best way to spread the show!
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The Wingfeather Saga
The Green Embers series
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Hey everyone! It's a little different this week.
Last week we announced that, for now, The Substance will be transitioning to a biweekly release schedule. We love doing the podcast and putting it out for free but we all have a lot more responsibilities than we did when we relaunched and in order to continue to put out biblical, thoughtful, human, and substantive content on a regular basis we needed to make this change. Episode 102 will come out next week and we will be on an every other week release schedule going forward for the time being!
In the meantime, we have a library of 100+ episodes that are designed to be evergreen. Feel free to go back and check out the episodes you may have missed and share them with your friends & family who would appreciate them. And if you'd like to help us ramp things back up release-wise, this may be a good time to join us as a monthly supporter on Anchor!
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It's been a while since we've covered a classic book on the show and we are excited to shine the spotlight on one that was a first time read for all 3 of us! G. K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy is a classic of Christian apologetics and has been in print ever since it was originally published. Joining us this week is Trevin Wax. Trevin is the VP of Research & Resource Development at the North American Mission Board, visiting professor at Wheaton College, regular columnist at The Gospel Coalition, and author of several titles including a beautiful new Annotated Edition of Orthodoxy from B&H Academic.
Orthodoxy was an absolute pleasure to dive into and we had a wonderful time with Trevin. We hope you enjoy the show and be sure to share it with a friend!
Special Announcement For the foreseeable future, The Substance will be transitioning to a bi-weekly release schedule in order to make our deadlines and keep things substantive on the show while managing all of our other non-podcasting responsibilities properly. We are grateful to folks who listen and pray that the podcast will continue to encourage the Church and be a light in the world for a very long time. We just want to pace ourselves!
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Happy 100th episode of The Substance! Whether you've been with us since we started (or more likely, relaunched on Episode 13) or you're relatively new, we are grateful you're here with us as we celebrate 100 episodes of the podcast!
On this show we'll be looking back on favorite episodes and moments from #1-99, things we've learned over the years, goals for the future, and we'll also be hearing some words of encouragement from a handful of our past guests.
Thanks again for rolling with us, and here's to 100 more! (When you share this on social media, please tag us so we can say "Thank You!")
Episodes Mentioned:
66: Kyle Strobel
86: Propaganda
63: Manipulative Sermon Tactics
83: The Matrix Resurrections
19: A Hidden Life
62: Get Out
Guest Voicemails:
Jesse Eubanks ( Eps. 17, 48, & 50)
Courtney Ellis (Ep. 65)
Eugene Park (Eps. 62 & 83)
Corey Nathan (Ep. 90)
Alexis Busetti (Ep. 71)
Mitch Wiley (Eps. 33 & 67)
Eric Nevins (Ep. 54)
Josh Tiessen (Ep. 61)
Hannah Chao (Ep. 97)
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Welcome back to another episode!
We were super excited and blessed by our guest's this week John Onwuchekua (John O for short) and Keith Pinkney from the AMAZING podcast Windows & Mirrors where they say, "The Bible is more like a window than it is a mirror. We come to it to look through it and see God. We don't come to it primarily to look at it and see ourselves." We had great conversation learning about John and Keith's history, the vision and impact of the podcast, and so much more!! You will not want to miss this one.
Books Mentioned:
Things Fall Apart
How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind
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Ted Lasso
Dick Gregory
We Go On soundtrack
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Let the record show that Trevor is out this week because he was attending a John Mayer show (featuring previous Substance Shoutout recipient Yebba) and not all the bad guesses that Philip & Vincent came up with.
We thought that we'd maybe do a Topic Toss Up show when we started recording but it quickly became apparent that we'd be spending the whole episode on the most recent Julie Roys article about the abuse and cover ups at John MacArthur's church, Grace Community Church. To be clear, while we believe that the testimonies, documents, and facts show that John MacArthur and GCC both handled and are currently handling this in an extremely inappropriate, harmful, and ultimately ungodly manner, our goal is not to simply target and "take down" their character or ministry. Hopefully, shining a light on such horrific things will be a catalyst to humility and accountability and eventual repentance, from JMac & GCC as well as untold numbers of other churches with similar underlying problems that lead to similar devastating situations.
Your feedback on this issue is more than welcome! We encourage you to read the report in its entirety, listen to our full discussion, and then send us a DM, email, or voicemail at your convenience.
Full Report by Julie Roys
Podcast episode from Julie addressing previous report about JMac & GCC
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Philip- Spotlight (2015)
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Vincent- Dixson "Big Brave Man"
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We hope you all had a wonderful Easter and are excited to be back in your ears!
On this episode we are joined by Hannah Chao of SOLA Network. SOLA Network is a Christian platform designed to influence the next generation of Christians (and current & older ones as well) specifically with a focus on Asian Americans, both creating content directly relevant to their experiences as well as being a platform to highlight and publish writers within that community to the larger American Church.
We cover a number of topics: the unique experiences that members of varying Asian American communities endure (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.), California geography, the benefits and challenges that Asian Americans are currently experiencing due to their increased representation in pop culture, the state of "Women's Ministry" in the modern Church, the "controversy" surrounding the Disney Pixar movie Turning Red, and more!
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Resources Mentioned:
What's Wrong With Having Sex Before Marriage?
Japanese Christians in Internment Camps
Subscribe to the SOLA Newsletter
Asian American Leadership Conference
Shoutouts:
Everything Everywhere All At Once
Running
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We love sharing great movies with you all and it's especially enjoyable to highlight a film that is generally overlooked or that a majority of people may not be familiar with. This week we are looking at David Lynch's 1999 film The Straight Story. The movie is best experienced without knowing much about it (so if you haven't seen it before, stop reading and watch it now!) but it's a beautifully human, true story about a 73 year old man and the lengths he went to to try to reconcile with his older brother before anything else happened to them. More than one of us on this episode consider it a perfect film.
Our guest for this conversation is Relevant Senior Editor Tyler Huckabee. Tyler is a movie lover and has been a David Lynch fan for a long time. We talk about how The Straight Story is both an anomaly in Lynch's filmography as well as how it make complete sense. And be sure to listen all the way through for a great celebrity crush story that Tyler was generous enough to share.
We are taking next week off for Easter Sunday to rest and enjoy the time with loved ones and hope you all have a wonderful, restful time. Feel free to share a favorite older episode with a friend and we will be back in your feeds the following week on 4/24!
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Station Eleven (HBO Max)
X-Men Hickman Amazon & Hoopla
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We're closing in on our 100th episode and today we've got our 20th Topic Toss Up!
First up, we've got the first voicemail of the year (2022 is, in fact, The Year Of The Voicemail. Give us a call!). It follows up on our discussion with Propaganda about cursing, along with tying into a very early episode of The Substance. Then, a semi-recent episode of Brett Goldstein's podcast, Films To Be Buried With, brings up an interesting discussion about the line between social commentary and exploitation when it comes to depicting crime/evil in film and television. Finally, we follow up on something brought up on Episode #90 and talk about Black culture's relationship with anime.
We hope you enjoy! If you do, please share with a friend and consider writing a 5-star review on Apple or Spotify!
Podcasts Referenced:
Propaganda episode https://podnews.net/podcast/i4ia5/listen/episode/NGFhNDE1N2QtMDRiNC00MTdmLTljMzgtY2VjZTI4Y2E1MzJi
Believers & Cursing episode https://podnews.net/podcast/i4ia5/listen/episode/ODVmMjZlZWYtN2YyMy1hYjY4LTA3NWUtOWVkNWRiMDg2OGQx
Films To Be Buried With episode https://podnews.net/podcast/i6ko/listen/episode/NjIwNDBmNmM5ZjI0NTcwMDEyODhkYmQw
Shoutouts:
Philip- The Chain by Adrian McKinty
Trevor- Lecrae's playlist
Vince- Transparency video by Kamauu
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Happy April Fools' Day!
This is a silly idea we had way back in 2019 before we took our unplanned year and a half hiatus (see "Special Annoucement" between episodes 12 & 13) but we're happy to finally share this very bad movie with you all! Manos (Spanish for "hands"): The Hands of Fate is a famously bad movie resurrected by the Mystery Science Theater 3000 team in 1993. It was made by a fertilizer salesman on a bet and it really shows. But even though every aspect of it is a train wreck, there's something undeniably charming, and human, about this very very bad movie.
And we are also excited to have a friend of ours from way back join us for this one! Jacob Berardi is a longtime friend who we have watched loads of movies with who has been working in the film business for the last 10+ years primarily as a camera opperator and cinematographer.
We hope you have as much fun with this one as we did!
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MST3K Manos
Regular Manos
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Scare Package (on Shudder or AMC+)
Time Chasers MST3K
Pod People MST3K
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This week we dive more into a topic that affects us all to varying degrees and that can be difficult to talk about, doubt. Austin is a pastor at Vista Community Church in Texas and identifies as Young, Restless, and No Longer Reformed. He is also the author of the challenging and enjoyable book Faith in the Shadows: Finding Christ in the Midst of Doubt at IVP.
We talk about a number of ways that doubt can manifest and how we respond, and while we may not agree on everything, our conversation was highly enjoyable and we hope you feel the same way! And if you do, be sure to rate us 5-stars and share it with a friend (tag @thesubstancepod or #TheSubstancePod on socials).
Charles Taylor (philosopher)
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The World Beyond Your Head by Matthew Crawford
The War on Drugs
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It's been a minute since we've dropped a Reflects (shoutout to all our excellent guests lately!) but we're back this week talking about a common pitfall (and accusation) related to Bible study and public theological discourse, prooftexting. It can be easy to read one passage, or even a portion of a passage, by itself and come away from it with an interpretation that is unsupported by the context. And "prooftexting" can also be an simple accusation to lob at someone in a public debate in order to attack their credibility. On this episode we look at why it matters, how to avoid it, and when it is and isn't appropriate to charge someone else with it.
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Shoutouts:
Vincent: "I'm Tired" single by Labrinth & Zendaya
Philip: The Big Red One (1980)
Trevor: Street Sermons album by Morray
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This week we are excited to share a wonderful conversation we recently had with Tim Whitaker, Founder of The New Evangelicals, an online community for folks who are deconstructing their faith and finding themselves without an immediate spiritual community. We talk about a wide variety of subjects including Tim's story (which is eerily similar to several aspects of our's), how the Bible is used, the importance of honesty & humility, the danger of partisan politics, maintaining healthy relationships (and boundaries) with people we have strong social/political disagreements with, and more. And make sure you stick around for the story Tim tells at the end, probably the best answer we've had to a final question in the history of the podcast.
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The New Evangelicals Episode #11
Books Mentioned:
Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes
The Bible Told Them So: How Southern Evangelicals Fought to Preserve White Supremacy
Rediscovering an Evangelical Heritage
One Faith No Longer
Shoutouts:
Random YT Rabbit Holes
Benny Greb
Matt Garstka
Aaron Spears
Animals As Leaders
The New Evangelicals Podcast
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We are very happy to welcome our friend Brett McCracken back for his fourth appearance on The Substance (and his third Malick film)! Brett is a longtime film critic, the Senior Editor for Arts & Culture at The Gospel Coalition, an author of 4 books currently, and a pastor at his Church in Brea CA.
Terrence Malick surprised and delighted film lovers in 1998 with The Thin Red Line for many reasons, in large part because he had not made a film in 20 years. What he delivered was beautiful, meditative consideration of war as natural phenomenon. The film is both tragic and hopeful and something that is particularly affecting to watch during a time where nations are engaged in public acts of war.
If you haven't seen it before, check it out at the links below.
Streaming options for TTRL (currently free on Tubi as of publishing of this episode)
Buy/Rent TTRL on iTunes
War Film Recs:
Flags of Our Fathers
Letters From Iwo Jima
Shoutouts:
Jeen-Yuhs (Netflix Kanye documentary)
Wendel Berry (Author)
Color Vault (Band)
C'mon C'mon (2021 Film)
Swan Song (Apple+ Film)
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This week we are excited to share our conversation with Corey Nathan of the Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other podcast. To everyone's delight, we did get into politics and religion and did not, in fact, kill each other. Corey shares his conversion testimony, talks about his relationship with Ravi Zacharias & RZIM and how he's processed things in the last couple of years, as well as living well with and loving the people in our lives with whom we do not see eye to eye on important things.
We hope you enjoy this episode, and if you do be sure to share it someone!
Shoutouts:
Fortune by Lisa Sharon Harper
Traveler's Blues
Advisory Opinions podcast
Vince: Anime YT channels (get names from Vince) RDCworld1 & CalebCity
Trevor: Pyrex Picasso
Philip: SICK! Earl Sweatshirt
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Felicia Song is an author, Westmont College professor, and cultural sociologist who studies the place of digital technologies in contemporary life. Having trained in History, Communication Studies and Sociology from Yale, Northwestern, and University of Virginia, her research is oriented around the rapidly evolving digital technology industry and how the adoption of social media and digital devices fundamentally alters the landscapes of family, community, and organizational life.
This week she joins us to talk about that work and her book Restless Devices: Recovering Personhood, Presence, and Place in the Digital Age (IVP). The books two main focal points are the questions: What kind of people are we becoming with personal technologies in hand? And who do we really want to be?
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On Being podcast
Pass The Mic podcast "When God Seems Distant"
Enola Holmes books
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Surprise! We're excited and honored to share a very special feed drop with you all today!
You may remember Phillip Holmes from our great conversation in Episode 70 where we talked about Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., what people get wrong about them, and the importance of properly understanding power dynamics. He also cofounded The Witness (formerly The Reformed African American Network) with past guest Jemar Tisby, was an original host of their podcast Pass The Mic, where he met his wonderful, multi-talented wife Jasmine (you should get her books Mother To Son & Carved in Ebony if you haven't yet). Connections!
Notes for this episode (Season 1 Episode 3): In this episode of Make it Plain, Phillip Holmes and Taelor Gray discuss intellectual integrity. Malcolm X’s commitment to honesty, humility, and open-mindedness in the pursuit of truth drives us back to the Scriptures and reminds us of the posture every Christian should have.
Subscribe to Make It Plain on your platform of choice and look for the premiere of Season 2 on Monday, February 21st!
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We love being positive on The Substance but we had some heavy thing on our hearts that we cover on this week's show. Longtime Christian rapper Phanatik (Brady Goodwin Jr.) recently has denounced the faith and we wanted to both look at his specific situation as well as consider the group of former leaders who have publicly left the faith over the last several years and see what we can learn from it and how we can best respond. That topic leads unfortunately well into our second one, Christian lament. It's something people are talking about a little more now (especially on social media, in response to unending injustices), but it's also something that may traditions are not particularly strong on. If lament has been a regular, healthy part of your religious tradition or personal piety, we would love to hear from you!
Sources:
YouTube video from Phanatik
Lament Article
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Jemar Tisby is a historian of race and religion with an emphasis on Christianity in the Black Power era, the New York Times bestselling author of The Color of Compromise & How To Fight Racism, president and co-founder of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective, and co-host of the podcast, Pass The Mic.
We pray that this episode challenges and encourages you as you work on developing your own ARC of racial justice!
Not a Social Justice Podcast Playlist
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Harry Potter
Criminal Minds
Marvel’s Contest of Champions
Jemar’s Books
The Color of Compromise
How to Fight Racism
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We are very excited to bring you a fantastic (extra long) conversation with hip hop artist, author, and activist Propaganda. We talk Hood Politics, the 10 year anniversary of his controversial track Precious Puritans, and all things Terraform. This was a blast and we are excited to hear what you think (especially about our final tangent about cussing).
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Reggae artists Capleton & Barrington Levy
Why Fish Don't Exist by Lulu Miller
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We talked about spiritual leaders and divorce a few weeks ago and we thought it would be good to zoom out and talk more broadly about what the Bible has to say about the qualifications of pastors, teachers, etc. in the Church. What did God say were the important characteristics of a healthy leader and do they match what we typically think of as a good leader? Give it a listen and join the conversation on the website or social media!
Related Substance Episodes
82: Can A Divorced Person Be A Pastor?
63: Manipulative Sermon Tactics
Scripture Mentioned:
1 Timothy 3:1-7
Titus 1:5-9
1 Peter 5:1-5
James 3:1-2; 13-18
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Vincent: Revealing Truth YT Channel
Philip: Samuel Fuller; White Dog & The Steel Helmet
Trevor: Propaganda's Hood Politics Podcast
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The timing on this show is funny because we recorded this almost exactly a month and a half ago and the clip of John MacArthur's remarks on religious freedom has just gone viral a but this week on Christian Twitter. We promise we're not chasing trends, rather just trying to address and discuss important theological and practical matters of the day.
Jeremiah 29:5 Build houses and settle down. Plant gardens and eat what they produce.
1 Peter 1:17 And if you address as Father the one who impartially judges according to each one's work, live out the time of your temporary residence here in reverence.
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Philip- Letterboxd Website/ App Podcast
Trevor- A Slight Change of Plans; Black musician/KKK
Vincent- "So Tired" KB
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The first Matrix movie was released in March of 1999 and was an instant sensation. Movies, and in many ways our culture at large, would be forever changed. Two weeks ago, 18 years after the last Matrix film we had, the fourth installment, The Matrix Resurrections, premiered theatrically and on HBO Max. Returning guest, Eugene Park, joins us as we dive back down the rabbit hole!
Reactions from both fans and critics has been split on this film (much like the second and third films in the series), but we think that there's a lot here to be explored: Why does this film exist? Did Warner Brothers demand it or was there an artistic vision from the original creator? Why do some seem to hate this so much? What does it have to say about the creative difficulties & shortcomings of a culture obsessed with more? Have the original films had more of a positive or negative legacy since they've come out and how does that affect the folks involved in creating it? Why do the action scenes feel a bit different in this one? We cover these and other topics, while still leaving plenty of things on the table!
We hope you enjoy our conversation and be sure to leave your thoughts on the website!
Shoutouts:
Why We Are Restless by Benjamin & Jenna Silber Storey
The Burnout Society by Byung-Chul Han
Live No Lies by John Mark Comer
New Chance The Rapper
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In October, the Rise & Fall of Mars Hill podcast had a story about a faithful church-planting pastor who lived his life in obscurity. His ministry had started off rocky because he graduated seminary at the same time that his wife left and divorced him for someone else. Today the guys consider the standards set for elders and church leaders, especially with regard to divorce. We work out our thoughts somewhat live in conversation as we weigh the need for character and upholding standards of integrity, but on the other hand the harm that can be caused by creating artificial rules on top of what Scripture says. We'd love to read your thoughts on the show! Leave us a review, or join the conversation over at thesubstancepod.com. Share your comments at thesubstancepod@gmail.com or on our phone line! 913-703-3883 [Heads up that we recorded this in October too, so some of our comments apply to that time, rather than January 2022] Our Substance Shoutouts! Trev - "Citizens" Jon Guerra on Keeper of Days Vincent - "Dr. Death" Wondery Podcast Philip - "On Social Justice" by St. Basil
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It's been another wild year but if you're here listening (and reading) we're grateful to have you with us! We hope you have a nice end of the year and that 2022 is filled with grace and growth!
Favorites:
Kyle Strobel ( Ep. 66)
Hot Dog/Stumbling Blocks (51)
Systemic Racism (40)
Deconstruction (68)
Kaitlyn Schiess (46)
Barnabas Piper (38)
Eugene Park (62)
Phillip Holmes (70)
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Reading While Black
The Liturgy of Politics
When Thoughts And Prayers Aren't Enough https://www.amazon.com/When-Thoughts-Prayers-Arent-Enough/dp/0830831703/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=when+thoughts+and+prayers+arent+enough&qid=1640549607&s=books&sprefix=when+thought%2Cstripbooks%2C84&sr=1-1thesubstanc02-20
The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry https://www.amazon.com/Ruthless-Elimination-Hurry-Emotionally-Spiritually/dp/0525653090/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+ruthless+elimination+of+hurry&qid=1640549637&s=books&sprefix=ruthless%2Cstripbooks%2C87&sr=1-1thesubstanc02-20
Urban Apologetics https://www.amazon.com/Urban-Apologetics-Restoring-Dignity-Gospel/dp/0310100941/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=urban+apologetics&qid=1640549663&s=books&sprefix=urban+ap%2Cstripbooks%2C85&sr=1-1thesubstanc02-20
Music:
J. Cole "The Off-Season" https://geo.music.apple.com/us/album/the-off-season/1567421945?itsct=music_box_link&itscg=30200&ls=1&app=music&at=1000lR8n
JK47 "Made For This" https://geo.music.apple.com/us/album/made-for-this/1528129039?itsct=music_box_link&itscg=30200&ls=1&app=music&at=1000lR8n
Yeba "Dawn" https://geo.music.apple.com/us/album/dawn/1582539407?itsct=music_box_link&itscg=30200&ls=1&app=music&at=1000lR8n
Antoine Bradford "Light Will Find You" https://geo.music.apple.com/us/album/light-will-find-you/1586914091?itsct=music_box_link&itscg=30200&ls=1&app=music&at=1000lR8n
Podcasts:
Trevor: The Rise And Fall of Mars Hill https://podnews.net/podcast/i98xc/listen
Gangster Capitalism https://podnews.net/podcast/ia01/listen
Vince: Dr. Death https://podnews.net/podcast/i9akz/listen
Philip: Blank Check https://podnews.net/podcast/i42m/listen
Movies:
Get Out https://tv.apple.com/movie/get-out/umc.cmc.2nh80sbq32nedy9rm09gtv8rb?itsct=tv_box_link&itscg=30200&at=1000lR8n
Don't Breathe 2 https://tv.apple.com/movie/dont-breathe-2/umc.cmc.68vpkshba1dl2kib9ptun12ky?itsct=tv_box_link&itscg=30200&at=1000lR8n
Them https://tv.apple.com/show/them/umc.cmc.57866o1fdjaudpevvdf3nblh3?itsct=tv_box_link&itscg=30200&at=1000lR8n
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Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays everyone! Last year we had a wonderful time talking about the 2019 adaptation of Little Women (with the incredibly talented Alissa Wilkinson). This year we're going back to the early 2000s and talking about the Will Ferrell Christmas classic, Elf (2003).
Join us as we talk about what made us laugh, why we still love it after so many annual viewings, and what the film has to say about genuine, selfless love in a modern & efficient world.
IVP Holiday Book List Sale! 40% Off & Free Shipping with code: SUBPOD at checkout on https://www.ivpress.com Titles included in this sale are:
Compassion (&) Conviction by Justin Giboney & others
Faith in the Shadows by Austin Fischer
Knowing God by J. I. Packer
The Liturgy of Politics by Kaitlyn Schiess
Mother To Son by Jasmine Holmes
Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
Rethinking Incarceration by Dominique Gilliard
The Soul of Shame by Curt Thompson
Stewards of Eden by Sandra Richter
When Thoughts And Prayers Aren’t Enough by Taylor Schumann
White Awake by Daniel Hill
You Are Not Your Own by Alan Noble
Social media posts to share with others: IG & Twitter
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Philip- Faith in the Shadows: Finding Christ in the Midst of Doubt by Austin Fischer
Vince- Chromonicci track Wonderful Christmas
Trev- Illustrated Edition LotR set with the Hobbit (Currently sold out)
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Here at The Substance we love engaging with the folks who listen actively and have things to say. This week we're engaging with two topics brought to our attention by a listener email. One is on the lighter side, though there's some definite substance to it, and the second is extremely important and touches on some of the justice topics we've been addressing for quite a while. Interestingly, both deal with the things people want to believe.
Give it a listen and let us know what you think!
Inception Episode
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Philip- Blank Check podcast https://plinkhq.com/i/981330533
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Few podcasts in the Christian space (if any) have had the impact that The Rise And Fall Of Mars Hill has had. While it might be easy to look at the podcast and think that it's something in the vein of a celebrity gossip show, a closer look will show that it's about a broken culture in Western Evangelicalism.
We recorded this a while back (about when half of the episodes were out) but the themes don't really change as the show goes on and we're pleased to unintentionally coincide with the final episode's release.
We hope you enjoy the discussion and won't be mad if you tweet at Mike Cosper to come on our show and talk about the experience and insights he gained as he went through this!
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Vince: Dawn by Yebba
Trevor: Southside Rabbi Masterclass
Philip: Wonderful Wonderful by The Killers
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If you've been a listener for any amount of time, you know that we love and support what The And Campaign is all about. Purposeful political and civic engagement from a faithful biblical perspective (as opposed to having our social priorities dictated by the Democrat or Republican Party) is a thing that all of our communities could use more of, and we are grateful to have The And Campaign being a leader in this space.
We are also very grateful to have gotten some time with Justin Giboney, one of the original Co-Founders and current President of the organization. Topics include: how to think about and approach civic engagement from a Christian perspective, developing our moral imagination, our civic literacy, priorities for the future, and how people from all walks of life can be involved.
Enjoy the conversation and let us know what you think on our website or on social media!
Items Mentioned:
Interview with And Campaign Co-Founder, Sho Baraka
John MacArthur on religious freedom One & Two
Reflects on Abortion
Shoutouts:
You Are Not Your Own by Alan Noble
A Time To Build by Yuval Levin
Slow Boring from Matthew Yglesias
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AC Website
email- engage@andcampaign.org
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There aren't a whole lot of Thanksgiving films out there but we decided to keep the themed Substantive Cinema shows going this year (last month we covered The Thing for Halloween Listen Here! and we're likely to cover a Christmas themed movie next month).
Planes, Trains, and Automobiles was an immediate hit when it was released in 1987 and it has endured as a Thanksgiving classic. It's a classic odd couple road comedy. Steve Martin & John Candy star as unlikely (and sometimes unwilling) travel companions and endure just about every possible traveling inconvenience humanly possible.
The humor is subjective as we discuss on the show (thought just about everything John Candy does works for Philip) but we selected this film because of the themes of loving our neighbor, and being gracious toward strangers. We never know what others are going through or how meaningful our kindness may be to them.
Enjoy the show and have a Happy Thanksgiving!
Roger Ebert's review
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Calvin by Martine Leavitt
Luke's Work:
Changed My Mind podcast
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Buy Murder Bears, Moonshine, and Mayhem
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The world and societies that most of us find ourselves living in is not one that was constructed in order for everyone to flourish. The reasons for this are complex but the fact is that from our jobs to parenting to making friends to growing spiritually, this world is not the ideal environment for us to do the things that are most natural to our humanity. Alan Noble engages this reality in his new book "You Are Not Your Own: Belonging To God In An Inhuman World."
Enjoy the show and join on the conversation on our website!
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Hamlet
Dr. Who
Yo Lo Tengo
Buy You Are Not Your Own
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We've all been a bit tired lately so this may not be our sharpest episode but we had fun and hope you do to. If you'd like to send us a question or topic suggestion for a future Topic Toss Up (or any sort of show) be sure to let us know in the comments on our new website or send us an email.
Enjoy and we'll see you next week!
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Vincent- SiR "You Ain't Ready"
Trevor- Foundation
Philip- AND Campaign Kansas City IG Page
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Happy Halloween, everyone! Themed Substantive Cinema shows are always fun to do, and doubly so when we get to release a show on the actual holiday/event we're tying in with. This year we're covering John Carpenter's 1982 classic The Thing. Widely regarded as one of the greatest horror films of all time, The Thing is also a subversively substantive movie. It deals with themes of suspicion and paranoia, self preservation vs. the good of humanity, and to a degree, the question of what it means to be human. This week we are joined by, host of The Projection Booth podcast, Mike White. He really brought the knowledge and passion and if you've got a region free Blu-ray player, you should check out the Arrow Video release of The Thing with his commentary track!
Buy or Rent The Thing on iTunes
Shoutouts:
What Would You Say To A Nice Plate of Spinach?
Girl On A Broomstick
...And The Fifth Horseman is Fear
Mike & The Projection Booth:
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The Thing
Manhunter
Southland Tales
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Welcome back to another Substance Pod episode! We're glad you chose to join us this week. This week, we talk on the subject of spiritual gifts. We've brushed the topic before in previous episodes however, Trevor and Vince wanted to take it a bit deeper. Take a listen to the open and free flowing conversation. Leave a thumbs up on YT and comment your thoughts on this episode at thesubstancepod.com.
Trevor Shoutout - JK-47 @official_jk47 JK-47 Single "Healing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHYMFhaWdI
Vincent Shoutout - Naji @mrnajiboy Naji's Single "The Third" https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/cGgXF
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This week we're joined by longtime friend of the podcast, Alexis Busetti. We connected with Alexis around our relaunch and really appreciate her consistency and focus on restorative justice. She's put out over 100 weekly episodes with some incredible guests (a number of whom you've heard on our show as well) and has a helpful perspective on encouraging folks in their journey of understanding God's heart for justice. Enjoy and be sure to comment on the episode post on our new website!
Shoutouts: Madam Secretary Welcoming The Stranger (Book) The Porter's Gate Justice Songs & Lament Songs The Daily podcast Church Politics The Holy Post
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When people think about Malcolm X they are likely to have strong feelings one way or the other, whether or not they are familiar with his life and writing. Phillip Holmes is our guest this week and he and his longtime friend, rapper and pastor Taelor Gray, have set out to examine the words and life of Malcolm X from a Christian perspective and to set the record straight a bit. We had a wonderful time with him (which is reflected in the episode length) and we hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did!
Shoutouts:
Biscoff cookies
Stop talking about CRT/racism if you're not reading your Bible
Windows and Mirrors podcast
Redeeming Power by Diane Langberg
Autiobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley
Mother To Son by Jasmine Holmes
Carved in Ebony Shop
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A real nice episode for y'all today:
Mental Health in the Black community
Favorite Passages: 2 Timothy 2:1-7; Jude 1:3; Mark 4:35-41
Inerrancy
Shoutouts:
Philip: The Big Picture (Ringer Podcast) on Siskel & Ebert
Vince: Zainab Johnson
Trevor: Ziggy Ramo Black Thoughts (Black Face)
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Sorry the notes have not been up to our normal standard lately. Hoping to fix the last couple episode’s notes this week! This is the last week to vote for The Substance as the Best Local Podcast in Kansas City (link in notes for Ep. 65) so please do that if you haven’t yet. This week’s topic is one that several listeners have asked for and one that we’ll certainly return to in future shows. Deconstruction is something a lot of people are talking about and we wanted to take an episode to have a foundational discussion on it that we can add to and expand on moving forward. We hope you enjoy and be sure to let us know what you think via social media, email, or our Substance Hotline :)
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Mitch Wiley returns to talk with us about Chris Nolan’s 2010 hit film Inception.
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Kyle Strobel joins us to talk about God-honoring ways to use power for the good of those around us and for ourselves.
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Harry Potter
Patrick Rothfuss Kingkiller Chronicles
Book 1
Book 2
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Hey! Because of our hectic schedules (and the hectic schedules of some of the authors we've reached out to lately), it's been a minute since we have gotten to do a Substantive Stories episode. This week we have the pleasure of bringing you our conversation with Courtney B. Ellis. Courtney has recently published her third book, Happy Now, and we had a wonderful time talking with her about it!
How do joy, playfulness, and community all work together to help us grow personally and spiritually? Listen for some great insights and check out her book for more. Buy it at the link below and enter to win a copy (if you're listening the week it drops) on our Twitter and Instagram feeds.
Buy Happy Now on Amazon
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100 Foot Wave documentary
Invitations To Abundance by Alicia Akin
Voyage to Alpha Centauri Michael D. O'Brien
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It's Topic Toss Up time again and in this episode we look at the conversation in the Church and culture surrounding reparations as well as discuss the principles and realities relating to searching for a new local church. We hope you enjoy and please let us know what you think!
Holy Post episode with Gregory Thompson on Reparations
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Trevor- With by Skye Jethani
Philip- Owlegories
Vincent- Samoht (Musical Artist)
Alpha
Exit
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For those who have been in the church a while or those who have visited a time or two, without knowing might have had a pastor or two use some manipulative sermon tactics. Most likely it was done unconsciously but done nonetheless. Join us this week as we explore what these tactics are, how they manifest, and most importantly what we can do about them. If you are just in the congregation, desire to be in ministry, or have been preaching for a long time, we believe this episode will help us identify areas we can improve.
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In 2017 when Jordan Peele released Get Out it was an instant hit. Critics loved it, audiences loved it, and it made more than fifty times its budget at the box office. What was it about the film that resonated with so many people and led to Jordan Peele's historic Oscar win for Best Original Screenplay? The film deals on a visceral level with the ugliness of racism in America, causes viewers to ask some necessary questions, and gives us the narrative vocabulary to describe things that we experience and observe on a regular basis. Joining us on this episode is Eugene Park. Eugene is a pastor in California, writes occasionally for The Gospel Coalition, and hosts a podcast of his own with some pastor friends of his called Off The Pulpit. We're glad he suggested this film and we look forward to hearing what you think after you've listened!
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We're excited, this week, to be joined by fine artist (and Associate Living Master) Josh Tiessen. Josh is a young but immensely talented and accomplished artist currently living in Canada. He is also a follower of Christ who takes his gifts and the platform those gifts give him seriously. His current body of work that just got a deluxe Gallery Edition hardcover book release, Streams in the Wasteland, deals with themes of environmental stewardship and how we all view nature and the surroundings that we find ourselves in. Listen to our delightful conversation with Josh and check out our social media feeds this week for a chance to WIN a copy of the harcover book as well as the CD soundtrack!
Art:
Can These Bones Live
Rise Up
Order Streams in the Wasteland
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Sports: Ping pong, basketball, disc golf
Earthkeeping and Character by Steven Bouma-Prediger
Eternity in Their Hearts by Don Richardson
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Our release schedule has gotten a little off with all the life changes the three of us have gone through recently but we're back with another Topic Toss Up and we can assure the listeners that it won't be two months until you all get another one.
It's a audience oriented show as both topics come from listener emails we've received in the last couple of months. First up, we revisit the heated hot dog/sandwich debate and may or may not have more clarity on the topic. Secondly, a listener asks a wonderful question about the similarities & difference in positions of believers condemning one another of being complicit in White Supremacy versus those condemning brothers or sisters of "wokeness." It's a perceptive question and one that we hope to be able to shed some light on.
We hope you all have a wonderful week ahead of you and, as always, we want to hear your thoughts. See our information below to shoot us an email or reach out to us on social media!
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Philip: The Ascent (1977)
Trevor: High On the Hog (Netflix Series)
Vincent: Aba and Preach YT Channel
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If you've been around the Church or faith communities for a while, the topic of the assurance of salvation is, no doubt, something that you've heard sermons and lessons on or talked about with the folks in your circle. It's an important topic for a number of reasons and on today's episode, we're going to seek to make it clear and simple. Thanks for joining us for this discussion and please let us know via email or social media if you have any questions or think we missed something!
Also, regardless of Trevor's insistance, a hotdog is not a sandwich.
Shoutouts:
Philip: The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast
Vince: Myke Grizzly Instagram // Beach Day single
Trevor: Jesus and John Wayne podcast with The Holy Post
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It's been two months since we've done a Substantive Cinema show (was really trying to get a great guest on last month but had scheduling issues), but we're back to the format with a very timely subject for July, Richard Linklater's Last Flag Flying (2017). The film brings up substantive questions about patriotism, truth, and friendship as well as being a funny and touching road movie. Watch it on Amazon Prime or our iTunes link below (or your local library) and join the conversation on our social media pages!
Rent/Purchase Last Flag Flying on iTunes
Richard Linklater on The Director's Cut talking about Last Flag Flying
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Vincent: Valentine- Introspection
Trevor: Common- Be
Philip: Swoope- 24
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Hey, thanks for joining us and giving the podcast a listen.
If you've been listening to the show for a while or following us on social media, you'll know the last few months have been a busy time for Trevor, Philip, and Vince. This week we're giving ourselves a second to recharge and releasing an episode we did at the end of last year with Josh Murtagh on his podcast, The Two Things You Shouldn't Talk About. We cover a number of topics and we hope you all enjoy hearing us on the "other side of the mic."
See you all back next week for a new episode!
Watch the episode on Josh's YouTube channel
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Hey, thanks for joining us! We didn't plan to release this episode on the 4th of July purposefully, but here we are and it's kind of perfect. As American Christians, we can honor neither identity if we are not honest with ourselves and those around us. Bradley Mason joins us to talk about a topic that's become the new buzzword for the thing that folks should fear and oppose whether they know what they're talking about or not: Critical Race Theory. Bradley is a reader and writer, and also a carpenter, who's tired of people with large platforms that like to use their influence to spread fear and misinformation (especially when those folks claim Christ). So, join us as we get into the substance, and lack thereof, of many of the currently fashionable caricatures of and arguments against CRT. We hope you enjoy our discussion with Bradley and if you have any genuine questions or follow ups you'd like us to cover in the future, send us a DM or an email on that!
Links: The Substance Reflects on CRT Intro to CRT (Bradley) Fault Lines Interaction Systemic Racism is Key
Shoutouts: Alone (show) CrossFit Black Feminist Thought by Patricia Hill Collins
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After three consecutive guest episodes, we're excited to be back with the original Substance crew. Shoutout to everyone who's left us a 5 star review on Apple review (thank you Summer & Dani for the newest ones)! We're back in the Bible this week talking about a very familiar story.
The Good Samaritan is one of the most widely known parables, both inside and outside of the Church. The story of man in peril being helped by an ethnic enemy after religious leaders see him in need and ignore him was and is a powerful picture of what it means to love our neighbors and serve those in our proximity.
However, this is not how all people of faith see this parable. There are some who say that using The Good Samaritan as a passage to call us to love and serve our neighbors is inappropriate and that it's just about our personal salvation. We spend some time this week seeing if there's any valid way to get to that understanding from Scripture.
Popular sermon that (we believe) misrepresents the parable
Shoutouts
Trevor- Spatial Audio
Vincent- The Midnight Miracle
Philip- Primal (television)
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This week we're joined by Eric Nevins for an encouraging conversation on ministry in the age of new media.
Eric is the host of the Halfway There podcast (and had published around 250 episodes!) and is the Founder of the Christian Podcasters Association. We discuss the power of podcasting, online community, and Eric path of finding his calling.
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Shoutouts:
Skye Jethani Episode
The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene
A Burning in My Bones by Winn Collier
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And we're back with Part 2! Be sure to check out Part 1 if you missed it and enjoy the conclusion of our wonderful discussion with Jemar Tisby. Jemar Tisby is the New York Times bestselling author of The Color of Compromise & How To Fight Racism, president and co-founder of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective, co-host of the podcast, Pass The Mic, and Assistant Director of Narrative & Advocacy at The Center for Antiracist Research. We pray that these episodes challenge and encourage you as you work on developing your own ARC of racial justice! Be sure to check our IG and Twitter feeds this week (links below) for a great giveaway package as well!!
Part 1 of our conversation with Jemar Not a Social Justice Podcast Playlist
Jemar's Shoutouts: Harry Potter Criminal Minds Marvel’s Contest of Champions
Jemar’s Books The Color of Compromise How to Fight Racism
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We are extremely excited to share these next two episodes with you all! Jemar was so generous with his time and insights that we wanted to give it all room to breathe. Jemar Tisby is the New York Times bestselling author of The Color of Compromise & How To Fight Racism, president and co-founder of The Witness: A Black Christian Collective, co-host of the podcast, Pass The Mic, and Assistant Director of Narrative & Advocacy at The Center for Antiracist Research. We pray that these episodes challenge and encourage you as you work on developing your own ARC of racial justice! See our IG and Twitter feeds over the next two weeks for some great giveaway packages as well!!
Not a Social Justice Podcast Playlist
Jemar’s Books The Color of Compromise How to Fight Racism
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What can we say about this episode? Sometimes you just need to argue about hotdogs for 20 minutes. We also went long on our second topic, what it does and doesn't mean to "not cause a brother to stumble," so it's just two topics this time, but we had a great time and hope you do too!
*Also, if you listen to this week's episode and read these notes the week it drops, get ready for an incredible show and the best giveaway we've done yet, next week!
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Vincent- Spice Adams Instagram Twitter
Trevor- How to Fight Racism by Jemar Tisby
Philip- That Makes Total Sense podcast episode with Terrence Lester
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First of all, thank you so much for helping us make it to Episode 50! We love doing the podcast and it's been great to hear about those of you who have been encouraged, challenged, and edified by the show.
We wanted to make sure we did something special for our 50th episode and we're really pleased with what we came up with. If you've been listening to The Substance for a while, you'll know that Trevor and Philip enjoy and find benefit in the Enneagram and Vincent is a bit skeptical. So to do something special for 50, we decided to do a Part 2 to our most recent enneagram show and have Jesse Eubanks take Vincent through his test results for the first time on the podcast!
Vincent was incredibly open and vulnerable and Jesse and he had a wonderful discussion! We hope you enjoy this very special episode and be sure to check out our Twitter and Instagram feeds this week for a chance to win a copy of Jesse's Mapping Your Enneagram Story Workbook!
Previous Episodes:
The Substance Reflects on the Enneagram
Part 1: Types & Triads with Jesse
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Buy/Rent Minari on iTunes
With over 200 nominations for various awards (and over 100 wins), Minari was one of the most buzzed about films of 2020. But due to Covid protocols and many filmgoers not wanting to attend a theater in a pandemic, it went sadly very under-watched last year. But the film is widely available now and we're excited to have Brett McCracken back with us to talk about it!
In Minari, writer/director Lee Isaac Chung tells the semi autobiographical story of a Korean family who emirate to Arkansas to pursue the dream of having their own farm. It's a story with strong themes of family, faith, and the American Dream. Check it out in the link above and enjoy!
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Chosen S2 Watch Online
Andy Squyres - Poet Priest
The Father Buy/Rent iTunes
Munyurangabo (Minari Director's first film) Buy/Rent iTunes
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The Wisdom Pyramid: Feeding Your Soul in a Post-Truth World
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Got a special one for you all with this show! We've had Jesse Eubanks on the podcast before and one of our previous Reflects shows was on the Enneagram. This week, we're bringing them both back!
Our previous episode on the Enneagram was more about how Christians should think about it and what ways it might be beneficial. This time, with Jesse's help, we wanted to get more into what it actually is.
Jesse is the Founder an Executive Director of the urban missions agency Love Thy Neighborhood, the host of the Love Thy Neighborhood and Enneacast podcasts, and the author/creator of the "Mapping Your Enneagram Story" workbook.
Join us for a deeper dive into the Enneagram as a system and come back in two weeks when Jesse takes one of us through our Enneagram typing for the first time!
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The Substance Reflects on the Enneagram
Should Christians use the Enneagram?
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Mapping Workbook
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The Soul of Shame by Curt Thompson
Jesus, My Father, The CIA, and Me by Ian Morgan Cron
The Chosen
New Rockstars on YouTube
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We recorded this one when we were all incredibly busy so we went informal and asked you guys what you wanted to hear us talk about. All three of us took turns answering questions from the listeners on topics like: How did we name our podcast? What are some of our favorite episodes we've done? Who are our dream guests on The Substance? What books would we recommend to everyone? And we talk about some of our favorite media (movies, television, podcasts) as well.
Enjoy this laid back episode and let us know if there are other questions you'd like us to answer on future episodes like this!
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Trevor- Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
Esau McCaulley: Instagram & Twitter
Vince - Latice Crawford Instagram & Twitter
Philip - The Director's Chair
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We haven't done a full show on politics since we relaunched with Episode 13 but after reading Kaitlyn's book we thought it was time to revisit the subject! Similarly to our approach before, the goal of this episode is not to promote partisan ideologies and platforms but rather to encourage genuine reflection about how, as followers of Christ, we think and engage politically.
Definitions are knocked out toward the beginning of the show for the major topics we cover, primarily: Liturgy & Spiritual Formation. Everyone of us is formed by the rituals we repeat whether they are conscious or not and Kaitlyn (and Scripture) remind us that these are things we ought to take an active role in determining for ourselves if we are to avoid being shaped by the culture around us.
Enjoy the show and if you listen the week it drops, we have a book giveaway sponsored by InterVarsity Press and will be giving one copy away each on Instagram and Twitter. Be sure to enter and tag some friends!
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Bread and Wine: Readings for Lent and Easter
Funny Baby TikToks
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The Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of Our Neighbor
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This one has been a long time coming!
The topic of abortion is extremely divisive, and sometimes that's fine. But as believers we want to make sure that we're thinking critically and biblically about the issue rather than farming out our thinking to political and social figureheads.
What do the majority of women think about abortion? What are the factors that make it more likely for a woman to consider getting an abortion? What can be done holistically to de-incentivize abortion throughout our culture? What role does the (Big C) Church have in this cultural discussion? What role do individual churches have in their communities? How does this relate with politics and voting?
There is much to be said about abortion and we are sure we'll revisit the topic on future episodes (send us your questions/thoughts and we'll get them on our list for future Topic Toss Ups) but we hope you're challenged and edified by our introductory conversation on the topic and we look forward to interacting with you all on this topic in the future!
Sources:
Study: Why Women Have Abortions
R.C. Sproul video
Love Thy Neighborhood episode
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Philip- WandaVision
Vincent- Susan Carol
Trevor- Rachel House
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It's Topic Toss Up (TTU) time again! On this episode Trevor, Philip, and Vincent answer a listener question about how to stay faithful to Jesus in college, discuss some of the controversies surrounding pastors and their local jurisdictions regarding large assemblies during the pandemic, and look at the devastation that Ravi Zacharias's sin has brought about on his ministry and many people's faith and what we can learn from it.
Enjoy and share the podcast with a friend!
Sources/Resources:
9 Marks Church Search
Royal Canadian Mounted Police Statement
Ravi Zacharias Report
Substance Shoutous:
Vincent- The Kount: Kount Drums Vol. 4
Trevor & Philip- Pass The Mic: Jemar Tisby Leave Loud Story
Previous Substance Episodes Mentioned:
Not A Social Justice Podcast Playlist: YouTube
Celebrity Pastors TTU
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“We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.” (Romans 6:9–12 ESV)
Happy Easter from the Substance! The tomb is empty, Jesus has defeated death and his kingdom is coming. In this dawning reality, the false anthropology of White Supremacy must be understood and turned from to align with the Biblical view of humanity.
Joining us for this topic is Daniel Hill pastor of River City Community Church in Chicago, who has written two books on the spiritual battle against White Supremacy, White Awake and White Lies, and has a passion for helping churches understand the influence of this pervasive and harmful ideology.
Tune in for this sobering talk, check out the resources below and reach out at our socials or email with any questions or feedback!
Sources:
Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? by Beverly Daniel Tatum
Rediscipling the White Church by Pastor David W. Swanson
Substance episodes mentioned:
Shoutouts:
Brenda S McNeil Roadmap to Reconciliation
Latasha Morrison
Jamar Tisby
Truth’s Table
Daniel Hill Instagram | Twitter
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Today's episode is dedicated to all who cling to Jesus' promise that in him, "you will find rest for your soul." May you find soul rest this week. This week Trev, Vince and Philip's three topics all center around experiencing the gentleness of Christ, and how the church deals with the emotional life of believers. We flow from talking about a recent scathing review of ACBC's Biblical Counseling book of the year, Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund, to talking about what the Bible says about Anger, and how bottling it all up is not what the Bible teaches, and land on a discussion of Mental Health and the dynamics that keep people from taking it more seriously, all under the light of Christ's words, "Take my yoke, learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."
Our aim in the first topic isn't to dissect the book review, but to understand the spiritual malady behind it; what Biblical analogies exist for groups that felt threatened by a Messiah who was compassionate toward sinners they rejected. What does this say about how we understand and pursue Christian maturity? Check Ephesians 4:11-16, esp v. 12. What is the importance of the phrase, "work of service"? See also Ex 33:18-19; 34:6-7.
Our discussion about anger tries to locate the balance between Eph 4:26 where we find the command, "Be angry" and James 1:20, "human anger doesn't produce divine righteousness". What is anger for? Is anger productive? How can we be angry well? How does this guide oppressed communities?
Finally on Mental Health we seek to understand the church's aversion to the topic by examining the doctrine of the Sufficiency of Scripture. Jeremy Pierre's message, "Considering How Scripture Relates to Other Sources of Knowledge for Soul Care" is a great resource here. Does the fact that the Scripture has all that is necessary for a faithful life before God imply that we should discourage people from counseling or therapy or thinking/feeling resources outside the church? How can churches encourage people to pursue care while fulfilling their pastoral role?Check out our earlier work about “Christian Worldview Analysis” for more on this topic.
Substance Shoutouts:
Trev: Southside Rabbi with Esau McCaulley
Vince: Peter Collins (not Phil Collins)
Philip: Propaganda
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We are right around the corner from the release of the 36th feature film in the Godzilla franchise with Godzilla vs. Kong coming out on Wednesday, March 31st. It's not a movie that you may immediately think of as something that is substantive, but the roots of the character and the original film are full of meaning and social commentary.
While Godzilla certainly is a spectacle film, it touches on some very important themes. Most notably the film challenges its audience to consider things such as: the use of and escalation of violence in war and the side effects that violence has, ethics surrounding preemptive violent action, practical concerns related to pacifism, and self-sacrifice. It's a wonderful monster movie that started a franchise that's still vital around the world today and it has a number of important things to say.
Check it out and let us know what you think!
Watch Godzilla:
Stream it on HBO Max or The Criterion Channel
Buy/Rent iTunes
Watch Free on Archive
Sources:
Criterion article we mentioned
Godzilla Wiki
Shoutouts:
Who's Afraid of Postmodernism? by James K.A. Smith
How to Think by Alan Jacobs
Gamera Trilogy:
Gamera
Gamera 2
Gamera 3
The Host
Atragon
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We're finally here.
Whether it's clearly articulated or not, the topic of this episode is at the heart of so many of our modern conflicts, inside and outside of the Church. And to a degree, it's simple. The notion of systemic racism is either true or untrue. If we can find no correlation of the claims of systemic racism to reality, then we must reject it. However, if we investigate the claims of those who say that systemic racism is at the core of so many of our societal ills and find them to be true, we have a lot of work to do. Especially if we are folks who claim or seek to take God seriously in His revealed Word.
This may not be the easiest listen, but it's important. Truth and justice matter to God and they should matter to us. Pray and seek God's wisdom as you listen and please be sure to contact us with any feedback you have (after you've looked into some of the sources!).
Sources:
Bradley Mason Data
Statement on Social Justice
Ben & Jerry's - a Summary of Evidence on Systemic Racism
How to Be an Antiracist
Twitter Thread
Phil Vischer: Race in America
Race in America Part 2
Black/White Voting
What is an Evangelical?
When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America
Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America
Compromise of 1877
Shoutouts:
Philip- The Wisdom Pyramid: Feeding Your Soul in a Post-Truth World by Brett McCracken
Trevor- Coalcracker Bushcraft YouTube Channel
Vincent- R.C. Sproul Systematic Theology Lectures
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We've got a wonderful interview for you all on this episode!
Our guest this week is St. Louis based rapper, Flame. With over 15 years in the Christian hip-hop world, Flame has been through a lot. We get into his backstory and how he came to faith, how his rap career and ministry started, his theological influences when he was younger and how some things in his perspective have shifted, the relationship between justification and sanctification in the life of a believer, the role of doubt in the lives of people of faith, some clarification on his song "Who Can Pluck Us?," what he's looking forward to in the future, and more!
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Shoutouts:
The Book of Concord: The Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
Being Lutheran Podcast
The Wittenberg Project
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Extra Nos
Christ For You
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Barnabas Piper is an author, speaker, Assistant Pastor at Immanuel Nashville, and co host of The Happy Rant podcast. He's also one of the most fun guests we've had on the show!
We cover a number of important topics relating to curiosity and creativity, the role of doubt in the life of a believer, the fear of culture that characterizes too many people of faith, parenting from a position that truly trusts in God, and the pitfalls of legalism. All the while having a great time and sharing some solid laughs. Very on point for a guy who just published a book on happiness.
Enjoy and let us know what you think!
Barnabas's Books:
The Pastor's Kid
Help My Unbelief
The Curious Christian
Hoping for Happiness
Substance Shoutous:
Showboat: The Life of Kobe Bryant by Roland Lazenby
The Nightingale by Kristin Hannah
Mother to Son by Jasmine Holmes
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We're back with another Topic Toss Up!
This week we're looking at the aftermath of the Capitol insurrection, a listener question regarding censorship, and how to respond lovingly and appropriately to folks who are caught up in conspiracy theories.
If you have any questions or topic suggestions for future shows, let us know! Contact info is at the end of the show notes.
Sources:
David French article
Russ Moore article
Report about the pentagon revoking the DC national guard commander's authority
Harvard law article we mentioned
9 Marks on Conspiracies
Previous Substance Shows Mentioned:
Previous TTU
Cancel Culture
News and Sources
Substance Shoutouts:
Vincent: Jon Bellion Glory Sound Prep & The Human Condition
Trevor: The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb by Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel
Philip: Batman- The Unjust Judge by Tom King and Mitch Gerads (From Batman Black and White #2)
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Boy, have we got a show for you all on this episode! Karen Swallow prior joins us for a wonderful conversation on literature, how to develop virtue and exercise discernment and how our faith can grow through reading widely.
Karen is a reader, writer, and Research Professor of English and Christianity and Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. She is the author of four books herself along with putting out the Reading and Reflecting series where she helps to make classic works of literature more accessible to modern readers. Her writing has also appeared at Christianity Today, The Atlantic, The Washington Post, First Things, Vox, Relevant, Think Christian, The Gospel Coalition, Religion News Service, Books and Culture and other places.
Some questions we consider along with ones to ask yourself:
Why is literature so important? What can we learn from literature? How do we value literature? What makes good literature? How can one live a virtuous life? How can we become virtuous? What are the principles of moral discernment?
Books Mentioned:
On Reading Well
Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman
KSP Reading and Reflecting Series:
Sense and Sensibility
Heart of Darkness
Jane Eyre
Frankenstein
KSP Reading Well Starter Pack:
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte
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Rommel Ruiz is a strong storyteller and visual communicator, and his work is a significant part of what makes Love Gave such a powerful book. The words are simple and clear and his illustrations beautifully help bring the message of the book to life.
In this episode we talk about what his goals with this project were and the role of art in the life of a Christian.
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Love Gave giveaway on our Instagram (open until Sunday, February 14th at 5pm CST)
Love Gave episode with author Quina Aragon
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This week we welcome back returning guest Quina Aragon! Quina is a writer, editor, and spoken word artist.
If you haven's listened to Quina's first appearance on Episode 10 (link below), you should absolutely check it out to hear about her testimony and what lead her to start writing children's books.
Love Gave continues to build on the themes of a fully Trinitarian Gospel and the ways that each member of the Godhead loves and works in relation to us. Last time, in Love Made, Quina focused on the creative nature of the Father and how parents mirror those qualities with their children. This time, Love Gave focuses on the way Jesus engages humanity as a friend and how we can overcome our big problem to enjoy true fellowship with him!
We hope you enjoy (both the book and our conversation) and share with your friends!
Quina's previous appearance on The Substance
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We're excited to share our first Substantive Cinema of the new year with you all!
Soul is the latest release from Pixar Animation Studios. At first look, it may seem like an odd premise for a film primarily targeted to a younger audience, but Soul's plot andthemes are wonderful springboards for all sorts of valuable conversations.
This week we're joined by Mitch Wiley and we talk about: how Christians discern value in entertainment & the arts, how our lives are enriched by the common grace all around us, and what gives one's life true purpose.
Reviews of Note:
Alissa Wilkinson (friend of The Substance)
The Gospel Coalition
Mitch's Shoutouts:
Paddington
Paddington 2
Stop Making Sense
Where to Find Mitch:
Film Mitch
Crucible Reviews
CR Twitter
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Welcome to another edition of Topic Toss Up! This was pretty heavy as we recorded the evening of January 6th, but we're excited to share this with you and hear your thoughts. We start off with a great listener question about the death penalty, and we couldn't ignore the insurrection at the Capitol and the Church's variety of responses, and on a lighter note we round it out by talking about the books we're excited to read this year.
We hope you enjoy and be sure to follow us on social media or reach out to us and let us know what you think and what you're looking forward to in 2021!
Books we're looking forward to reading in 2021:
Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund
Compassion & Conviction by Justin Giboney, Michael Wear, et al
Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes by Eamon Duffy
The Identity and Attributes of God by Terry L. Johnson
He Saw That It Was Good by Sho Baraka
The Wisdom Pyramid by Brett McCracken
Love Gave by Quina Aragon
Abortion: A Rational Look at An Emotional Issue by R.C. Sproul
The End of White Christian America by Robert P. Jones
The Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins
What If Jesus Was Serious? by Skye Jethani
The Children's Bible by Lydia Millet
The Attributes of God by A.W. Pink
Providence by John Piper
Sources Mentioned:
Mike Winger "The Death Penalty Is Biblical...Obviously" YouTube or Podcast
David French Article
Russell Moore Article
Substance shows mentioned:
Episode 28: News and Sources
Shoutouts:
Trevor- Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom by David Blight
Philip- Life and Books and Everything podcast w/John Piper
Vince- KevOnStage
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This week on The Substance we are taking an introductory look at Critical Race Theory. Lots of folks in the culture and The Church have strong opinions about it, but when a topic gets so much cultural heat, it's easy not to approach it critically and thoughtfully.
On this episode we cover the history of CRT, attempt to fairly define CRT, and engage with what the Bible says about the tenets and applications of it.
Biblical Support:
1) Sin and Responsibility, (Jer 31:29-30; Eze 18:1-4, 25; Jos 7:10-11, 20; Ex 34:6; Matt 23:29-31)
2) Hypocrisy and Self-Deceit, (Jer 17:9-10; Eph 4:20; Heb 3:13)
3) Partiality, (Deut 10:17-18, Eph 6:9)
4) Oppression, (Ex 3:7-9; Ps 10:3-7; Is 10:1-3; Lk 4:18; Jn 8:32-36
5) Liberation, (Acts 13:39; Rom 6:17-19; 8:2; Rev 1:5)
6) Social Justice (Job 29:12-17; Prov 13:23, 14:31, 19:17, 21:13, 22:16, 31:9, Luke 10:25-27,29,36-37; 2 Cor 9:7-9, James 1:22,25-2:7)
7) Restoration. (Lev 6:1-5; Luke 19:6-10; Eph 4:22-24, 28)
Sources Mentioned:
Ask Pastor John Part 1 & Part 2
Purdue University Definition
SBC Resolution on CRT
Shenvi & Sawyer on CRT
Substance Episodes we mention:
7: TTU
20: Robert P Jones
29: TTU
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Trevor- The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill Buy on iTunes Listen on YouTube
Philip- The Shop (HBO Max)
Vincent- Exodus Cry: Twitter & Instagram
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We went long this week but we're also trying to cover a year's worth of content in one show (and there's a lot we didn't even mention!). Enjoy this larger episode that's essentially one long Substance Shoutout! If you like this format let us know and tell us what you think should have made our lists. Contact info at the bottom. We can only list so many items due to text limit so check our socials if you want to see a full list.
17 Jesse Eubanks
21 TTU Political Idolatry
19 Brett McCracken- A Hidden Life
24 Thoughts for Young Men
20 White Too Long
Digital Minimalism- Cal Newport
Dragon Hoops- Gene Luen Yang
The Coaching Habit - Michael B Stanier
Unwanted - Jay Stringer
JC Ryle Thoughts for Young Men
RC Sproul Defending the Faith
Da 5 Bloods
A Hidden Life
The Sound of Metal
Ted Lasso
Mandalorian
Free State of Jones
Antebellum
RTJ4
Justice Songs The Porter’s Gate
Slowercase Tape nobigdyl.
The Holy Post
Louder than a Riot
Dax Shepherd relapse
Tim Ferriss Trauma
Luther: In Real Time
LTN
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We've got another Topic Toss Up for you guys this week! There's a listener question following up on the topic of whether or not institutions should rename their buildings in light of a racist past, something we covered in Episode 20, the practice of "Christian Worldview Analysis," and being godly in our social media etiquette.
Sources:
Al Mohler "Racism Is Heresy"
The Southern Project
Interracial Dating at Liberty University
Interracial Dating at Bob Jones University
Substance Shoutouts:
Trevor- Louder Than A Riot podcast
Vincent- Tommy Emmanuel Best of TommySongs
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Philip- The Burger Scholar Sessions
Great American Burger Book
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It's hard to overstate the importance of being able to discern sources and consume the news in a healthy and appropriate manner. The last few years have especially highlighted this, but there has never been a time where this was unimportant. It seems like every week there are articles, stories, tweets, etc. about matters relating to politics, economics, sociology, public health, justice systems, and more. These are all important topics and people of faith ought to be exemplary in our communities as models of healthy interpreters of truth.
Source Guide:
Primary (P)- A Study is Conducted (Or the inerrant Scriptures)
Secondary (S)- A Journal Article writes about the findings of the study
Tertiary (T)- Major News Source writes about significance of study citing Journal
T+ - Local/Cable News covers News article about significance
Hearsay - Opinion host opines on Cable news coverage about news article
How To Choose Your News - Damon Brown
Source substantiating our description of USA Today - T
Another one - S
Sources substantiating our descriptions of Fox News:
Encyclopedia Britannica entry on “Fox News” - T
Memo: “A Plan for Putting the GOP on the News” - P
Business Insider, “Roger Ailes’ Blueprint for Fox News” - S
No One Expects facts from Tucker Carlson citation:
Courthouse news: “Defense attorney for Fox says Carlson Hyperbolic” - S
The Connection between discernment and witness: Eph 5:9-17 - P
Link to Dictionary.com on "excursus" - P
James 3:17-18- P
Prov 18:17 -P
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Vincent: AGTV
Press Release
Trevor- HGA by KB
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Philip- Doctrine & Devotion podcast
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Welcome to our first holiday themed Substantive Cinema show!
Little Women 2019
Written and Directed by Greta Gerwig
Starring: Saoirse Ronan, Emma Watson, Florence Pugh, Eliza Scanlen, Laura Dern, Timothée Chalamet, Tracy Letts, Bob Odenkirk, James Norton, Louis Garrel, and Meryl Streep.
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We are happy to be joined on this episode by Alissa Wilkinson. Alissa is a film critic at Vox, a professor at The King's College in NYC, and half of the podcast Young Adult Movie Ministry. Join us as we discuss: Alissa's history with Louisa May Alcott's beloved novel, how Greta Gerwig was the perfect person to adapt the next film adaptation, why some stories don't need updating, the staggeringly talented cast that was put together for this version, the challenges women have faced in life then and now, and more!
Shoutouts:
Movies- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom & Mayor (Documentary)
Book- A Children's Bible by Lydia Millet
Alissa's review of Little Women
Alissa's website
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Buy or Rent Little Women 1994
Buy or Rent Little Women 1949
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This week we welcome the hip hop artist, activist, teacher, podcaster, upcoming author, and all around creative, Sho Baraka to The Substance.
We discuss Sho’s faith journey, his political and social work with the AND Campaign, his time at Reach Records and how the Christian Hip Hop industry has changed over the years, his definitive Humble Beast album: The Narrative, how the church relates to the unfortunate Republican vs Democrat dichotomy, why he doesn’t think Trump is as bad as some say but why he’s supporting Biden, and much more!
Sho’s albums we mentioned:
Talented 10th Apple Music | YouTube
The Narrative Apple Music | YouTube
Shoutouts-
Books:
Time on Two Crosses: The Collected Writings of Bayard Rustin
Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America
The End of Policing
Show:
Ted Lasso
Podcast:
The Sho Baraka Show
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Topic Toss Up time again!
This week we’re talking about how some Christians with public platforms are calling for their so-called woke brethren to be expelled from their churches, the Joe Rogan article on The Gospel Coalition and the controversy it sparked on social media, and we close out by starting the discussion of how to view Christmas and other holidays in a healthy manner.
Shoutouts!
Vincent: Shane and Shane “Hymns vol 1”
YouTube | Apple
& “The Worship Initiative vol 22”
YouTube | Apple
Trevor: VOCES8 “Enchanted Isle”
YouTube | Apple
Philip: Team Deakins Podcast
Recommended episodes:
Denis Villeneuve
Jake Gyllenhaal
Josh Brolin
Sources:
Owen Strachan on How Church Discipline Applies to "Wokeness" and on What "Woke" Is and Isn't.
Beth Smith, "Joe Rogan's Example For Believers" on The Gospel Coalition.
Earlier Episode References:
The "Too Liberal, Too Political" frame referenced around 2:00 is from our "White Too Long" episode feat. Robert P. Jones.
The comments we make about John MacArthur and consciences come from our Ep. 15 Topic Toss Up. (you can also check out Ep 1. for more on MacArthur.)
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J. C. Ryle’s Thoughts For Young Men is an important and accessible work that’s valuable for everyone. Not just the young and not just the men. And though the material in TFYM is over 130 years old, it is timeless in its wisdom and advice. If you are trying to live a life of meaning and one that honors God and takes the Bible seriously, this is a book that is well worth your time.
And thank you to Banner of Truth for providing us some giveaway copies for Substance listeners. Enter the Giveaway on our Instagram page! (Ends Dec 6th, 2020)
Substance Shoutouts:
Philip- Superman Smashes the Klan on Amazon | Hoopla
This recent DC Comics collection adapts and modernizes the 1946 Adventures of Superman radio show story arc- “The Clan of the Fiery Cross.” It’s a wonderful book for kids 8 and over and any adults who read it will find a lot to enjoy as well! 2020 Harvey Award winner for Best Children or Young Adult Book.
Vincent - Mike Winger Bible Thinker
Mike Winger Bible Thinker YouTube channel is a good source if you’re looking for material on apologetics, religions, cults, and various spiritual and doctrinal teachings. This is not a full fledged endorsement of everything he’s put out but I appreciate his work.
Trevor - Pantsuit Politics
Pantsuit Politics does political discussion with kindness instead of yelling, and uses that level-headed approach to carefully consider real objections. Featuring a host from a conservative background and another from a liberal standpoint, it’s a low stress podcast for political engagement. This episode they discuss why they are voting for Joe Biden and not just against Donald Trump.
Resources:
Buy Thoughts For Young Men from Banner of Truth | Amazon
The Mortification of Sin by John Owen
The Bruised Reed by Richard Sibbes (Puritan Paperback Series)
Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist by John Piper
Scripture that cautions against asceticism: Col 2:18
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Chris Nolan’s Interstellar is an interesting film in many regards, one of them being that it’s the first Substantive Cinema episode we’ve done where we have significant disagreements on the subject matter.
Interstellar was directed by Christopher Nolan and co-written by him and his brother Jonathan. It stars Matthew McConaughey, Anne Hathaway, Jessica Chastain, Michael Caine, Timothée Chalamet, and Casey Affleck. The movie was released in 2014 to relatively high critical acclaim, getting fairly high reviews and snagging a number of award nominations and winning one technical Oscar.
We discuss the way the film views and portrays the power of love, the tension between philosophy and emotion, the movies scientific accuracy, and where Interstellar lands overall in Nolan’s filmography.
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Part of why this subject is so difficult, is because “cancel culture” is such an ambiguous term. Join us as we consider what Cancel Culture is and isn’t, the benefits and challenges it has (and the whole conversation around it) for our society, and what some good goals are going forward. And remember, watch your back if you say anything bad about Beyoncé or Taylor Swift online!
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Resources:
The Philadelphia Statement
Prov 6:16-19 on the Lord's hatred of those sowing discord
What Really Happened with Kevin Hart?
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It’s Topic Toss Up time again! This week we field a listener question about the loving rebuke of a fellow believer (and in general how to relate well to one another in a politically divisive climate), evaluate the wisdom and utility of “celebrity pastors,” and discuss how the young and old relate to each other respectfully, especially in communities of faith. Have a thought about something we said or a question? Share this post with your thoughts on your social media platform of choice and tag us! You can find us on all the major platforms, or you can email us or leave a voicemail on The Substance Hotline. Facebook | Twitter | Instagram Email: thesubstancepod@gmail.com Phone: 913-703-3883 Cash App: $thesubstancepod
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Resources Mentioned: The Pastor of Kilsyth by Islay Burns Agape Leadership by Alexander Strauch The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb by Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
Shoutouts! Trev: JU$T (feat. Pharrell Williams & Zack de la Rocha) by Run The Jewels (Lyric Video) Philip: The Ponder Podcast Vince: Make Room, album by Jonathan McReynolds
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This week The Substance welcomes Robert P. Jones to the show. Robert is the CEO and Founder of the Public Religion Research Institute, he holds an MDiv and a PhD in religion, and is the author of the recent, critically acclaimed “White Too Long.” White Too Long is combination of American history, survey data from PRRI, and the author’s own personal story.
Join us as we dive in to some difficult but necessary topics such as: how our sin affects our theology, the evils in the American Church’s history that caused Robert to write many portions of the book through tears, and how many Christians use the defense of calling something “liberal” or “political” as a means of avoiding genuine reflection on the merits of a viewpoint or argument.
And a huge THANK YOU to Robby’s team and the folks at Simon & Schuster for providing some giveaway copies of White Too Long. Details for the giveaway can be found on our Instagram.
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Robert's Book: White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity
His Organization: The Public Religion Research Institute
PRRI's Fractured Nation Report.
Letter from Birmingham Jail
Divided By Faith, by Michael Emerson
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While Vincent is off this week, Philip and Trevor are joined by The Substance’s first return guest, Brett McCracken, to discuss Terrence Malick’s most recent film, A Hidden Life. Brett is a film reviewer, an author, and the Senior Editor of Art & Culture at The Gospel Coalition. Join us as we look at the timeless and timely themes that A Hidden Life evokes.
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Check out our earlier SC feat. Brett McCracken on Tree of Life
Read these great reviews to learn more about A Hidden Life:
Brett's Shoutouts:
Boys State
Josh Garrels, Peace to All Who Enter on Apple Music | YouTube
Dane Ortlund, Gentle and Lowly
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The enneagram has been a hot topic in recent years but it’s easy to uncritically reject or accept things that become popular. On this week’s show we look at some of the history and use of the enneagram and consider the Christian’s relationship to it.
After you’ve listened (or while you’re listening!), let us know what you think. Why do you think it’s beneficial? Why might it be something that people of faith ought to be wary of? Let us know!
Mortification by Owen- The Mortification of Sin (Puritan Paperbacks)
Sin and Temptation- Overcoming Sin and Temptation (Redesign)
The Road Back To You- The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery
"How Scripture Relates to Other Sources of Knowledge for Soul Care" - Jeremy Pierre, Southeastern Chapel message.
Romans 14
Substance Shoutouts!
Trev - Nice White Parents
Philip - Ezra Klein/Ben Shapiro - Podcast | YouTube Video
Vincent - American Gospel (follow on Instagram)
Part 1 on Netflix (limited time, Nov 2020)
Part 2 on Vimeo
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Right up front, we understand that “social justice” is a loaded term in Western Christian culture. The most important question though, is “Is it something that is good and honors God?” And if so, how do we pursue it in a way that’s honoring to Him?
Join us as we talk with Jesse Eubanks, Founder and Executive Director of Love Thy Neighborhood, about these and more questions regarding this often misunderstood but very important part of living faithfully before God and our fellow man.
As always, we want to hear from you! Call us, email us, or hit us up on social media and let us know what you think.
Links for stuff mentioned in the show:
Love Thy Neighborhood | LTN Podcast | Enneacast
Find Jesse on Instagram | Facebook | Twitter
Tim Keller's Article on Biblical Justice
Love Thy Neighborhood's episode featuring Sojourn (Jesse's home church): "Where the Gospel Meets Racial Reconciliation."
Seed To Oaks (Neighborhood Assessment)
Shoutouts!
Nine Portraits of Jesus: Discovering Jesus Through the Enneagram by Robert J. Nogosek
The Jesus I Never Knew by Philip Yancey
"Justice Songs" by The Porter's Gate on Apple Music | YouTube
"Race in America" video by Phil Vischer of The Holy Post
"Eyes on the Prize" - PBS Docuseries on DVD. Check your local library for the full series. YouTube has a few segments
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We’re back with our first Substantive Stories of our new era!
Join us as we talk with Dianne Jago about how to stay faithful to God as we pursue (or lay down) our dreams! We hope you enjoy our discussion and if you have any comments to share or questions to ask, reach out to us and continue the conversation.
And be on the lookout for our giveaway contest THIS WEEK on Facebook and Instagram!
Dianne: Instagram | Twitter
Deeply Rooted: Instagram | Twitter
Her Book, A Holy Pursuit: How the Gospel Frees Us to Follow and Lay Down Our Dreams
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We've got another Topic Toss Up for you this week! We'll address - John MacArthur's statement at the Falkirk center to the effect that true believers vote Republican. We get into some deep stuff with this one. For further reflection check out Our earlier episode about MacArthur's Shapiro interview [Spotify link], David French's "Do Pro Lifers Who Reject Trump Have Blood On Their Hands?", and a time when pro-life politicians denied funding to abortion-reducing policies. - Mondays! A lot of people start their work weeks on them. How should we feel about Mondays and what affect does our attitude have? Some helpful verses: Phil 2:14-15, Col 3:23-24, Prov 14:23, Gen 1:28-30; 2:15-27
Substance Shoutouts! Trev: Lecrae "Self Discovery" and the whole Restoration album. Phil: Holy Post, "Four False Political Gospels with Kaitlyn Schiess" Vince: Jude 3 Project, Sho Baraka interviews Dr. Esau McCaulley for "Reading While Black"
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This is a special one in a number of ways. We’re happy to finally share this show with you as it was the last Substantive Cinema show we recorded in our 1.0 era. Black Panther was also the first film we covered that was selected by The Substance’s listeners (thank you to everyone who participated)! And sadly, this film is one that has taken on even more cultural significance due to Chadwick Boseman’s passing last month. What he did as King T’Challa was immensely valuable and impressive on its own, but knowing how sick he was and how important this role was to him as a legacy character, it’s that much more impactful to go back and view now.
We hope you enjoy our discussion of Black Panther (as of this release, the fourth highest grossing film of all time). Let us know what you think of it and share your Black Panther memories and thoughts on our social media, email, or give us a call on The Substance Hotline.
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We’re back! And we’re starting off this era of The Substance by reflecting on how folks, particularly people of faith, cultivate their political identities.
What priorities do we allow to shape how we think politically and how we vote? What personalities and sources do we trust and why do we trust them? How much do we look into things for ourselves or do we take things we hear from folks with large platforms as truth?
And this is just the beginning of the conversation! Join the convo and let us know what you think on social media, email, or The Substance Hotline. We look forward to hearing from you!
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Vincent's: Ken Ham and Bill Nye debate "Is Creation a viable model in this modern era?"
Trevor's: Practicing Proverbs by Richard Mayhue in Softcover or PDF
Philip's: The Hoopla App on iOS and Android.
Recommended Further Reading:
Tim Keller on Justice
Timestamps:
9:17 What Is Politics?
17:13 Building a Political Philosophy
30:14 Liberty in Political Approaches
41:57 Being Self Critical
49:05 Substance Shoutouts!
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Our Topics This Round: Being A Witness As A Public School Teacher Millennials’ Attitudes On Evangelism Christian Planetary Stewardship The UMC Traditional Plan Vote Other Links Check out Joe Thorn’s Podcast on the SBC and Sexual Abuse Trev’s Shout Out: Throughline, Four Days in August Philip’s Shout Out: Batman Animated Series Intros ≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈ Thanks for listening! If you’d like to support the show, please leave a 5-star rating or review. Don’t forget to subscribe for easiest access to the show! If you’d like to donate, you can with the Cash App at our CashTag: $thesubstancepod New Users of the Cash App will get a $5 incentive the first time they send $5 anywhere. Connect With Us And Share Your Ideas! Email us: thesubstancepod@gmail.com Join the Discussion: Twitter | Facebook Leave Us a Message: 913-703-3883
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This week, we look at the question: is it biblically permissible to be a “cursing Christian?”
Join us as we talk through the issue of using the LORD’s name in vain, whether or not the Apostle Paul “swore” in the Bible and what that means for us, and some thoughts on how to be both God-honoring and gracious in the profane culture we live in.
New Segment Alert
This week is also the debut of our new segment: Substance Shoutouts, wherein we both shout out something that we’ve been enjoying or appreciating recently.
Philip shouts out Christian rap artist J. Monty and his “Testify” video series and Trevor shouts out the Love Thy Neighborhood Podcast
We also thank our listeners for their kind reviews! :)
Released March 10, 2019
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Welcome to our first entry into our Substantive Stories series! This week we have the pleasure of speaking with Quina Aragón. Quina is a spoken word artist, editor, an now a published writer of the wonderful new children’s book “Love Made.”
Join us as we discuss her background, and get to hear her testimony of faith and how God used circumstances and faithful believers to bring her not only to saving faith, but also to fruitful ministry. In addition to being an author, she has also worked with The Gospel Coalition opening up their 2018 Women’s Conference with the Listen and Live Short Film, and has recently joined the Board of the Risen Motherhood ministry, and is a small group leader in her local church.
It was a pleasure to be the first non-female podcast to have her on as a guest and we hope you enjoy!
Love Made Animated Video
Purchase Love Made! Barnes and Noble | Amazon
Released March 3, 2019
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Our topic this week is brought to you by our listeners. We had a number of listeners reach out and request that we talk about Jordan Peterson, so here we are!
Whether you love him or hate him (or something in between), Jordan Peterson is an undeniably impactful cultural figure. On this week’s show, we critically consider his message(s) and seek to get at the heart of some of the very important topics he regularly addresses along with getting some real smooth plugs in ourselves.
We hope you enjoy and as always are interested to hear from you about what we should on the lookout for and good topics for future shows!
Resources:
Cathy Newman interviews JBP
Joe Rogan hosts JBP
Jocko 12 Rules episode
NPR’s Examination of the Recent History of Partisan Politics
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We’re back with another Substantive Cinema show!
This week we’re looking at Terrence Malick’s spiritual masterpiece “The Tree of Life.” It’s not an “easy” film, but if you go into it with the right mindset, you’ll be hard pressed to find a more substantive moviegoing experience.
Watch Tree of Life: iTunes
Joining us this week for our discussion is film critic, author, and Senior Editor of Arts and Culture at The Gospel Coalition, Brett McCracken. Brett has been a film critic for over a decade and has written extensively about Terrence Malick and his films, and is the perfect guest to help us dig into the deep themes presented in this film. Check out a few of his articles on the film:
“Is the Tree of Life the Best Christian Film Ever?”
The Tree of Life review in Christianity Today
We hope you enjoy our discussion and we want to hear from YOU which movies we should add to our list for future episodes!
Released Feb 17, 2019
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In our second topic toss-up, we’ll be discussing the following. Stay tuned to the end for a Special Announcement! 1: Gillette Ad 2: Gospel Track Carpet-bombing 3: Brief thoughts on Statement on Social Justice
Blog that references early drafts of the statement A full podcast on the SoSJ with great interviews and analysis
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Not everyone has the same standards when it comes to what kind of media they feel is appropriate to consume. What are we to make of the wide variety of convictions and practices of fellow believers and those who claim Christ? How do we develop our own standards and what role does conscience, culture, and community play in the process?
Join us as we think critically about these and related topics this week! As always, please contact us and let us know what you thought and what topics you’d like to hear us cover as we go forward.
Released Feb 3, 2019
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This week we dive into a Biblical question: Does the Old Testament advocate evil? We explore the Canaanite conquest and even consider a theology of disaster. There were a lot of questions we couldn’t get to as well - what questions did we leave you with? Let us know!
Relevant References:
A key conquest narrative Deut 2:1-3:11
Moses’ diverse family Num 12:1-2
Jesus’ comments on tragedy Luke 13:1-5
Released Jan 27, 2019
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This week we take a deep-dive into Paul Schrader's incendiary 2018 spiritual masterpiece First Reformed. Trevor conflates actors with super spies and proposes a crazy theory (tell us if you agree)! Philip tries not to make weird mouth sounds and talk over Trevor. We also have a really wonderful time discussing the film's plot and themes.
See First Reformed for yourself: iTunes | Amazon
Disclaimer This was our first recording. Ever. So it'll be a bit rougher than the others.
Also a word of caution that we discuss the issue of suicide in this episode. If you are triggered by these issues, you may want to avoid this one. If you need, you can get some support, or call the national hotline at 1-800-273-8255 confidentially.
Released Jan 20, 2019
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We get a little looser this week and cover a variety of topics including:
•Participation Trophies
•Church Policy as a Response to Crisis
•Who’s a Brother
•Current Reading
Released Jan 13, 2019
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We look back on 2018 and the media that we enjoyed or was most impactful to us.
3:43 Films:
•Wreck It Ralph 2 iTunes | Amazon
•First Reformed iTunes | Amazon
•Black Panther iTunes | Amazon
•Creed 2 iTunes | Amazon
•Incredibles 2 iTunes | Amazon
•Won’t You Be My Neighbor? iTunes | Amazon
•Blackkklansman iTunes | Amazon
•Blindspotting iTunes | Amazon
22:35 Podcasts:
Buried Truths, Revisionist History (on Education and Football), This American Life The Problem We All Live With, Native Speaks, Serial (Season 3), Stuff You Missed In History Class: How Hawaii Became a State, Journeywomen, Risen Motherhood, ESPN 30 for 30, Invisibilia (guy trapped in his body), StartUp, The City, Better Call Saul, Good Place, The Director’s Cut, iFanboy, Total Soccer Show
48:45 Books:
•Letters of John Newton Amazon
•New Eusebius iTunes | Amazon
•Saints and Sinners iTunes | Amazon
•Crazy Busy iTunes | Amazon
•Why We Love the Church iTunes | Amazon
1:00:00 Music:
Check Out the Music and Johnny Cash playlist on Apple Music!
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Reflections on John MacArthur’s discussion with Ben Shapiro on the Daily Wire. We point out many things that went well, and also some questions we were left with.
Mentioned in the show:
•John MacArthur’s blog, and The Statement on Social Justice he supports.
•The Native Speaks Podcast.
Released Jan 13, 2019
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