The New Whore of Babylon: Recent Episodes

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A non-ecumenical discussion between two faithful Roman Catholics and a confessional Presbyterian. Who drink. What could go wrong?

Recorded with disciplined irregularity and released spasmodically.

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In which we nominally return to a discussion of Mary as "the New Eve," but end up arguing about covenants, historical theology and hermeneutics (the science of interpretation). Mary may be the new Eve, but who and what is Eve?

Discussed and argued about in this episode:

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary by Brant Pitre

•The Westminster Confession of Faith

•The Westminster Larger Catechism


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Or How Sinister Papists Attempt (and Fail) to Score "Bible Points" through Jesuitical Thinking. A discussion of Brant Pitre's Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary.

In which allegory and typology are defined, compared and contrasted (from both Presbyterian and Roman Catholic perspectives) along with the natures and person of Christ before digressions somehow bring us to the formation of the Biblical canon. What defines Christian doctrine?


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In which theological distance is compounded by social distancing but unity is found around a shared commitment to drinking alone while together.


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In which Gear pretends the microphone is not on and Kingsbury sings in French. Universalism and agnosticism are toyed with.

Perhaps drinking was not the best idea.


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In which Kingsbury takes offense while Gear explains what he finds attractive about presbyterian iconoclasm before attacking it, and digressions finally take over from the alleged topic.

Why does the Roman Catholic Church define so many doctrines? Should we lower our expectations? And is there really a presbyterian doctrine of happiness?

Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 55

Westminster Confession of Faith chapters 1 & 20


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Gear has another beer, which fact is probably no longer remarkable enough to be worthy of a remark. Perhaps the drinking becomes evident with the introduction after the break, but perhaps not. The race card is (finally) pulled, but the heart of the matter may be missed.

Mentioned on this episode:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Westminster Confession of Faith

Called to Communion

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary by Brant Pitre


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Gear has another beer whilst exhibiting confusion regarding his past beverage choices. The roles of typology and allegory in defining doctrine are debated and their definitions are disputed. A positive protestant view of Mary is offered. A need to resolve more preliminary matters is revealed. The presbyterian engages in much gnashing of teeth.


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In which gifts are given, Gear denies having had a beer on a previous occasion, sleigh bells are imitated, and relative deepness in history is disputed.


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In which Gear returns to whisky, bags of doctrine are compared, and McGuinness asks a question to which he may not want an answer. Discussion of matters about which we are entirely (as opposed to mostly) ignorant is narrowly avoided.

Is protestantism inherently fundamentalist? Is it possible to be a Roman Catholic fundamentalist?


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In which the contraceptive mindset is explored and Gear switches to beer.


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Is it ever appropriate to speak of "just a war"?


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We still don't talk about episode #1.


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Don't bring up episode #1.


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