Unscripted conversations with Toni Cowan-Brown and Sorcha Rochford about current affairs, pop culture, life, and how we got here.
We are fiercely opinionated, unapologetically honest and we don’t always agree. Join us weekly for a deep dive into honest conversations where empathy and vulnerability, and facts take center stage.
From this conversation, we came to the realisation that we may also be romanticising an era of journalism that no longer exists. In an ever-globalised world, we are continuously aware of what's happening but our media may not be equipped to cover the complexities of such events as the uprising that we are witnessing in Iran. As we continue to be in the 24h news cycle, what is the line between a journalist and a celebrity pundit? And who do we trust to bring us to deliver the news impartially and factually?
We took some time to look at what the data can tell us about these mid-term elections and what we can expect moving forward. Stay tuned for part two next week where we discuss election integrity.
As two women who identify as the left side of the political aisle, we question why the UK Conservative party has a track record of putting women forward to be elected (unlike the Labour party) and yet these women are constantly set up for failure.
When we're in the conversation about women in leadership, we identify that the failings are present in all industries - from politics to porn.
ps: please excuse me for calling Megan Markle, Magle.
We can acknowledge the magnitude of her leadership and her role as a woman over nine decades - from Winston to Truss. No other leader, let alone a woman has lived through. that tenure.
With that said, we cannot overlook the violent colonization by the British Empire of African, Asian and Caribbean nations. A bitter reminder to many of the decades of suffering, and economic and social devastation to many Black, POC, and Irish communities... just to name a few. Now more than ever, the role of the royal family is in question.
It is a very slippery slope to have two separate platforms - one for each ideology (i.e. Twitter and Truth) - whereby we can pretend that the 'other' isn't present and actively so. What does it look like (and take) to be able to listen to the other side? If only to remain informed vs. the very human desire we have to change minds.
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Most recently a man by the name of Andrew Tate took the internet by storm mostly because of his falsehoods and our desire for polarizing content. There is an inherent complexity in discussing the likes of Andrew Tate but are there pieces we can all agree with? The reality is that we often don't have the tools or even channels/spaces to have an informed discussion on the topic.
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For our first episode back we started our conversation on the recent media outrage targeted at Finnish Prime Minister, Sanna Marin for being a woman that ‘had the audacity’ to go out on a night out with friends. This story hit a nerve with both of us for many reasons but at its core, it was the double standard.
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We acknowledge that this is not a zero-sum game and that it is not a 'male' problem but rather a societal issue. We live in a society that has isolated women to be objects and performers rather than people. This is not a man vs. woman problem - we all have to change the way we think, act, and react.
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Important to note that the Hulu documentary did not involve Pamela Anderson in its creation - this is a focal point of our conversation as women are constantly left out of the decision making process even when it is about them.
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In the episode, we cover a lot of ground. The “high cost associated with changing your mind”, as told by Joe Swinson led us into a discussion on how to accept that humans make mistakes that enable us to grow for the better—worth noting that many “mistakes” highlighted in the media are not mistakes. We also discuss the concept of ‘group think’ and how it can impact the way in which we treat each other. On a daily basis, we engage with individuals however we affiliate them with their group rather than as individuals.
Ali, closed us out with a powerful question that we want to pose to you—when was the last time you changed your mind?
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This isn't an in-depth analysis of freedom of speech but as with all our episodes, it covers a multitude of relevant topics such as book burning, both the education and emotional impact of historical monuments, and the recent decisions made on school’s curriculum.
This left us wondering is there an expiration on the ways in which people have expressed freedom of speech?
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How to help the people of Ukraine 7 things you can do right now (Fast Company)
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What Is Happening in Ukraine, and How to Help (Vogue)
In this episode, we discuss the different ways in which voices are amplified, in particular looking at those who have felt dismissed by traditional media outlets and ultimately return to the familiarity. In this instance, we kick off discussing Joe Rogan and the expert opinions and knowledge he receives on topics that he and his guests may not be equipped to speak impartially and factually on.
Ultimately the question we tried to answer in our conversation was—Where does the responsibility lie? Is it on the listener to do their due diligence or is it the platform hosting the content or the hosts and guests?
In the episode, we dig into the idea that all "orthodox" economists are men who are looked after by a wife or a mother and that's shaped how they define economic value & productivity. There are so many facets to this conversation and for that, we are grateful to have Laëtitia's expert perspective.
We discussed motherhood, the impacts of COVID on women, the historical dependence on men dictating our economic worth, and how some women win the lottery with genetics. If you are looking for other points of view on this topic we shared some resources here. If you only read one, we recommend Career Women: the French vs the American Model (Laetitia@Work). This is the final episode in our three-part conversation to really dive into the correlations between ageism, feminism, and women in the workforce.
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Feminism needs to be a fluid conversation, there are waves of it and a myriad of ways to define it but as we evolve so should our definitions. For so long men have been a part of the problem, but what does it look like when they are part of the solution? We are in a moment where men are being given the opportunity to rethink their definitions of masculinity—in Liz Plank’s words, “From toxic to a more mindful masculinity.”
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If like us you were wondering what ageism is, we referred to the WHOs definition that identifies ageism intersects and exacerbates other forms of disadvantage including those related to sex, race and disability.
Ageism refers to the stereotypes (how we think),
prejudice (how we feel) and,
discrimination (how we act) towards others or oneself based on age.
Stay tuned this will be a three-part conversation to really dive into the correlations between ageism, sexism, and women in the workforce. Our last episode will include an expert on the topic.
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What does this new era of media companies tell us about our changing relationship to media, influencers and content creators? Do we get our content more from individuals (regardless of where they work) or the media outlets they work for (regardless of the journalist or opinion writer)? And why are we seemingly moving away from the term 'freelancers' to 'content creators'? And are they even the same thing?
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This activism can take many forms. From Marcus Rushford standing up for children without meals in the UK, To Taylor Swift voicing her opinion for the first time in the political landscape. From Jamela Jamil speaking up about body dysmorphia and the role of the beauty industry to Lewis Hamilton wearing BLM t-shirts on the F1 podiums and most recently Naomi Osaka choosing her mental health above tennis. In doing so they have all become unlikely ambassadors outside of their profession.
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When talking about our respective love for Football and Formula One, we discovered the connective tissues that we individually shared with our fathers in our love for these sports. In moving to America, both Toni and Sorcha set out to find respective communities, ultimately finding a home away from home within these sports.
In next week’s episode we will continue this conversation and ask the question - when does politics have a role in sports, and should it?
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We know personally that caregiving isn't solely the responsibility of the women. But if you make the decision to be a caregiver as a woman you are often overlooked in the workplace for the time you have taken to be with your family. We know that this is ultimately incorrect as the skills gained as a mother are those of leadership, and are sorely needed in places of work.
It shouldn't be a zero-sum game. As of now, it's somewhat a "doomed if you do, doomed if you don't" scenario. In the end, motherhood and caregiving is a far more complex topic than we have been led to believe. And should never be a flippant; Do you not want kids?
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From 2016 to 2021, we experienced a digital presence that amplified and normalised troll-like behaviour from a democratically elected world leader. We discuss the impact and the role social media companies can and should have in restricting such content. As well as our roles as content creators and users.
In 2021, we are experiencing what it feels like to be online after Trump has been deplatformed. But we also know that this game of whack-a-mole is not a long-term viable solution. We close out this episode with an open-ended question. What is the solution to content moderation? Some suggestions include AI and stronger regulatory bodies but ultimately we need to bring all stakeholders to the table to ensure a safer online experience for all.
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We know that social media has a reinforcing nature that can go either way. It can either bring people together by breaking down the taboos and opening up the conversation, but it can also be addictive which is often associated with anxiety and depression. In this episode, we focus on the awareness, community and how social media platforms enable people to have a lower threshold to enter the conversation on topics like this.
Tune in next week for the following to this conversation where we talk about the biggest troll of them all - Donald Trump.
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In this conversation, Toni and Sorcha discuss the role of public transit in cities as we try to move beyond the pandemic. Unlike Europe public transport in America is a highly politicized and debate topic spanning across political values impacting those that most need access to the service.
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In this episode, we discuss the merit of a co-working space building community within the tech space. The addition of the community felt like a natural evolution to the likes of companies that came before, such as Regus, as both founders grew up in communes.
We also examine what it looks like when women attempt to adapt this existing business model to their own needs, Toni shares her experience as a former Wing member. We know women are held to a higher standard, which also means that the failures are exponentially felt.
The Wing's failure is the latest addition to a plethora of women-led companies being canceled (whether rightly so or not). What does this mean for companies led by women in the future?
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In this episode, Toni shares her experience and desire to create content that evokes dialogue and debate on a platform that has a beauty algorithm. We explore why these algorithms exist and how they impact women and the content they create. Sorcha and Toni reflect on their own experience with bias and how these algorithms transcend from offline to offline.
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In this episode, we discuss our experience with receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, the handling of the pandemic, and the differences between the UK, the EU and the USA in pandemic response and vaccine rollout.
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In this episode, we discuss our experiences with polarization, echo chambers and how we contribute to our own algorithms.
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In this episode, we discuss what it means to be a feminist to us and how it shows up in our day-to-day lives, specifically at work.
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In this episode, we discuss leaders, influencers, cancel culture, and the impact it has on those who chose to step into roles of leadership.
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In this episode, we discuss the new category in tech - Femtech - and how it's helping create much-needed dialogue in women's health.
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In this episode, we discuss the US healthcare system and the financial impact it has on humanity.
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In this episode, we discuss the need and added value of diverse voices in all areas of society on and offline.
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In this episode, we wanted to do a year in review but from our own personal lens. Closing out 2020 was simultaneously easy and very hard.
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In this episode, we also draw parallels between Trump winning the 2016 US elections and the Brexit Leave vote. Here we are at the end of 2020 as both Trump and the United Kingdom are exiting in their own ways and we reflect on the unknown consequences of these events.
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In this episode, we discuss the complexities of this transition, why a peaceful transition of power is crucial to democracy and security as a whole, and how we are inching closer to the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Just a reminder that when you find yourself typing furiously and faster than the other person, it might be best to just pick up the phone and have the conversation. This is what we did, listen here.
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In this week’s episode we discuss the skills we believe are required to lead. Leadership is often conflated with management and management skills when in fact leading is not tied to title, hierarchy, gender or race,
Thought leader and author, Brené Brown, defines a leader as someone who “takes responsibility for finding the potential in people and processes, and who has the courage to develop that potential.” Although we don’t specifically reference Brown in our episode she has been at the forefront of tying vulnerability, a skill often embodied by women, to leadership.
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Here is what we have been reading:
Here is what we have been listening:
Here is what we have been watching:
More resources and reading ideas here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BRlF2_zhNe86SGgHa6-VlBO-QgirITwCTugSfKie5Fs/preview?pru=AAABcqmy2m0*LgjLwByxnCmOdUIYC5K-Jw
This incredible list was put together by Sarah Sophie Flicker, Alyssa Klein in May 2020.
Will it require you to go viral? Will your fundraisers now take place on Zoom video calls replacing your traditional events? Will your surrogates play a more central role? How do you build trust in the voting process? How do you engage rural America when 31% do not have access to broadband? These are just a few of the questions we dig into.
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Toni and Sorcha watched both the documentary on Brexit and the movie, which prompted them both to reflect on their journey towards empathy and understanding for either side of a political argument.
Last week we heard from Sorcha and her journey with the 2016 US elections. Make sure you listen to that episode if you haven't already.
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Toni and Sorcha watched the documentary, Hillary, which prompted them both to reflect on their journey towards empathy and understanding for either side of a political argument. Next week we will hear from Toni about her journey with both sides of the Brexit campaign.
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In addition to our normal episodes, we will also have a segment called In The Room.
We both realised that we are incredibly fortunate that our jobs often have us on the road traveling and attending some epic conferences with some incredible speakers. This week Toni was able to join the online panel hosted by The Bridge and All Tech is Human on Fighting Misinformation While Promoting Free Expression. Sorcha was able to join the NY Times event - Coronavirus, Tech and Data featuring Charlie Warzel, and Shira Ovide. These events were the catalyst for our debate on misinformation. We hope you enjoy it as much as we enjoyed discussing this complex and nuanced topic.
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The episode includes a brief overview of European history, a look at the main EU institutions and how pan-European legislation is made. The European Parliament, as one of the largest and most influential legislators in the world, gives us a fascinating insight into finding pan-European and global solutions to problems, such as data privacy which lead to the GDPR regulation implemented in 2017.
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We talk in depth about campaign structures in America and how they work within a political party vs. a movement. Political parties and movement are often used synonymously when actually they are two distinct political infrastructures. As you all know we both have extensive experience working in and around political software, we couldn't have this conversation without touching upon the role of tech in campaigns today.
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We look back at the fact that the 2020 US elections had six viable female candidates and there are none left in the race today. We asked ourselves if it more important to elect the next female leader, even if you don't agree with that person 100%? Is gender a policy, and should it even be?
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We talked about the adoption of new tools and technology, what happens when bad actors take over virtual happy hours. We discuss what real community looks like during these uncertain times and share our experiences working from home, remote working and long-distance friendships.
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In addition to our normal episodes, we will also have a segment called In The Room.
We both realise that we are incredibly fortunate to have jobs that take us on the road where we attend some brilliant conferences with some incredible speakers.
Realising that we are very fortunate to be able to be in these rooms, we wanted to share with you, what we hear and learn from at these events.
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What do you do when a crisis hits - especially an environmental crisis? You organise - both online and off, you come together as a community and you do whatever it takes. This week we dove into another example of a phenomenal woman, Celeste Barber, using her platform(s) and voice for incredible good.
We also candidly talked about the power of micro-donations in times of need and during campaigns, and asked the question - should tax paying citizens be paying for government funded organisations?
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In addition to our normal episodes, we will also have a segment called In The Room.
We both realised that we are incredibly fortunate that our jobs often have us on the road traveling and attending some epic conferences with some incredible speakers.
Realising that we are very fortunate to be able to be in these rooms, we wanted to share with you, our audience, what we hear and learn from these speakers.
As a way of introducing ourselves, we thought we would each spend a little time answering the question: What's your story and how did you get here?
Here is Toni's story.
As a way of introducing ourselves, we thought we would each spend a little time answering the question: What's your story and how did you get here?
Here is Sorcha's story.
Sorcha and Toni have been friends and co-workers for years. One of the reasons we became such great friends was our individual desire to be unapologetic about who we are. And that is something that can take years to master, especially when we have a society that is continuously telling us all the things we should and shouldn't be. We all have an unapologetic side to ourselves.
This is our trailer and brief introduction to why we started Unapologetic Women in the first place. We are excited (and mildly petrified) to share this journey with you.
Unapologetic Women is not a podcast solely about the answers, but rather about the journey of the conversation itself and how we are all a work in progress.