ChurchPulse Weekly: Recent Episodes

Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman

How’s your church going to lead through crisis? The ChurchPulse Weekly podcast gives you unprecedented insights into how church leaders are navigating crisis, and a new set of digital tools to stay connected in real-time to the people in your church. Weekly results from the ChurchPulse Leader Check-in are delivered live in the podcast hosted by leadership author and podcaster, Carey Nieuwhof, and Barna President, David Kinnaman. Each episode, Carey and David bring fresh updates, insights and interview other leading voices in church and ministry innovation.

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David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof share insights and ideas about the future of the Church and some exciting news about what's next for the podcast. Stay tuned for more to come in the new year!

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David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof sit down in-person and look back on starting ChurchPulse Weekly in March 2020, what they have learned from leaders through the years of the pandemic and the trends they have seen in the research. Part 1 of 2.

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Stephen Chandler (senior pastor of Union Church) sits down with Carey Nieuwhof to talk about how he responds to pushback as a leader, finding rest amidst the busyness of ministry and redefining success within your church.

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Stop Waiting for Permission by Stephen Chandler

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Lisa Bevere (speaker and author) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about what has changed in discipleship over the past five years, how to activate the contributions of women in your church and learning the balance for younger generations between deconstructing and destroying.

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Fiercely Loved: Discover God’s Wild Thoughts About You

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Bryan Loritts (president of the Kainos Movement) sits down with David Kinnaman to discuss fatherhood and Juneteenth. Together they talk about the challenges fathers are facing, the role of mentors in the lives of fathers and the ongoing journey within the church towards racial equity.

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The Dad Difference by Bryan Loritts

The Intentional Father by Jon Tyson

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Grant Skeldon and Luke LeFevre join Barna VP of Church Engagement, Joe Jensen, to talk about next generation discipleship, the differences between Millennials and Gen Z and the key questions younger generations are asking.

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John Eldredge sits down with David Kinnaman to reflect on how to address loneliness and isolation after the pandemic, building resilient friendships and listening for the voice of God.

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Wild at Heart

Resilient: Restoring Your Weary Soul in These Turbulent Times by John Eldredge

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Pete Greig meets with David Kinnaman to talk about growing a culture of prayer in your church. Together, they discuss how to hear God’s voice, rediscovering the practice of lectio divina and practical tips for leading a great prayer meeting over Zoom. –

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Aubrey Sampson (church planter and author) joins David Kinnaman to discuss the opportunities and obstacles she’s seeing for discipleship, the role of friendship in hosting difficult conversations and encouraging the everyday disciplemakers in your church.

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Learn more about Aubrey Sampson’s latest book, Known: How Believing Who God Says You Are Changes Everything.

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Ed Stetzer (author, speaker, professor) sits down with Carey Nieuwhof to discuss shifting trends in church attendance throughout the pandemic, engaging your congregation in the church’s mission and finding new ways to measure church success.

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Dr. Thema Bryant (president-elect of the American Psychological Association) talks with Carey Nieuwhof about collective trauma and finding healing in the Church. She shares practical ways to recognize the signs of trauma in your congregants as well as advice for leaders as they walk their own journey towards healing.

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Matt Markins (President and CEO of Awana) sits down with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about what’s changed in children’s ministry over the years, how to disciple kids towards a resilient faith and the role parents can play in their kid’s spiritual growth.

Check out Awana’s Child Discipleship Forum to learn more about the work they’re doing.

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Andy Stanley (senior pastor of North Point Ministries) sits down with Carey Nieuwhof to discuss pastoral burnout and political polarization in the Church. He shares new ways he’s thinking about attendance during the pandemic, what he’s learned from preaching to an empty room and why Christians have become more passionate about ideology over theology.

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Brad & Leah Leach (pastors at City Life Philly) talk with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman about celebrating the volunteers in your church. They discuss practical ideas for volunteer support and retention, as well as an element of fun as a way to honor the people who serve in your church. 

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Albert Tate (Lead Pastor of Fellowship Church) joins Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to discuss how to engage in conversations on racial justice within the Church and the importance of extending unconditional empathy towards those with different perspectives.

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Andy Byrd (leader with University of the Nations, YWAM Kona) shares about the zeal he’s seeing within Gen Z, how he’s answering teenagers' questions around identity and what he’s doing to empower and channel the passion of one of the most missionally-focused generations.

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Michael Phillips (education advocate and former pastor) shares with Carey Nieuwhof his reflections on the challenges Black pastors are facing, the importance of local churches in meeting community needs and why he believes empathy is the greatest tool for social justice.

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Dr. Heather Thompson Day (speaker, writer and professor) joins Carey Nieuwhof to discuss how to use social media as a tool for hope and encouragement in a polarized world. She shares some practical ideas for cutting through the noise online to have real influence as well as her personal rhythms around engagement. –

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Check out her latest book (It’s Not Your Turn) and tune into her podcast, Viral Jesus.

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Patrick Lencioni (author and founder of The Table Group) talks with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman about building a healthy team culture and how churches can better engage and retain their volunteers.  

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Bob Goff sits down with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about finding new, hope-filled perspectives for the Church, what he’s learned from mediating conflict and how pastors can focus their time and attention on what matters most. Pick up a copy of Bob’s book, Undistracted: Capture Your Purpose. Rediscover Your Joy; available today wherever books are sold!

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Tyler Staton (Lead Pastor of Bridgetown Church) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about his own leadership transition, cultivating prayer rhythms that sustain through the pandemic and finding spiritual renewal amidst fatigue.

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Glenn Packiam (pastor at New Life Church, Barna fellow) sits down with David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof to discuss how to cultivate resilience in your leadership and the five types of relationships every pastor needs. –

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Sandra Van Opstal (pastor, author and activist) joins David Kinnaman to talk about the transformative power of the Enneagram, why self-reflection is essential for every leader’s development journey and how the Church can move beyond relief work into pursuing justice.

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Levi Lusko (Pastor of Fresh Life Church) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about reaching the next generation, the power of physically gathering and what he’s learning about church attendance through the pandemic.

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098: Juliet Funt

Globally-renowned keynote speaker and author, Juliet Funt, talks with Carey Nieuwhof about what pastors need to do to maximize productivity. Together, they unpack some of the root causes of burnout, the role of rest in fostering creative work and how to set boundaries with your congregation.

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Learn more about Juliet Funt’s work at julietfunt.com.

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Globally-renowned keynote speaker and author, Juliet Funt, talks with Carey Nieuwhof about what pastors need to do to maximize productivity. Together, they unpack some of the root causes of burnout, the role of rest in fostering creative work and how to set boundaries with your congregation.

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Learn more about Juliet Funt’s work at julietfunt.com.

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Jenni Catron (Founder of the 4Sight Group) sits down with David Kinnaman to discuss why strategic leadership matters for the church, leadership lessons from The Great Commission and how to take a proactive approach with your vision in times of crisis.

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Ashlee Eiland (Co-lead Pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, MI) joins Carey Nieuwhof this week to talk about shepherding a church through difficult leadership transitions, managing a team in the pandemic and setting healthy boundaries when doing ministry alongside a spouse.

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To kick off the new year, Mark Batterson (Lead Pastor at National Community Church) joins David Kinnaman to talk about setting habits and goals that will last for the new year. He shares lessons he has learned from the past year, how he sees spiritual formation as a process of habit formation and what it looks like for leaders to incorporate rhythms of Sabbath into their own lives.

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Dave Lomas (Pastor of Reality SF) talks with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman about the role of friendships in ministry, how preaching has changed over the past couple of years and the challenges of doing discipleship in a hybrid church model.

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Worship leaders DK Kim (Mariner’s Church) and Abby Burley (New Life Church) join Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to discuss Christmas worship services in a hybrid church era. They offer practical ideas for worship services for any church size and talk about the shifts they’re seeing as worship moves online.

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Church planters, Amy Gannett & Justin Kendrick, sit down with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about why theology matters for the next generation, the limitations of program-centered church models and why leaders can never graduate from discipleship.

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Keri Ladouceur and Katie Matsumoto Moore join Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to discuss practical ways to mobilize volunteers around causes in your community, redefining engagement beyond a church building and how your church can better serve your city as you head into the new year.

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Keri Ladouceur and Katie Matsumoto Moore join Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to discuss practical ways to mobilize volunteers around causes in your community, redefining engagement beyond a church building and how your church can better serve your city as you head into the new year.

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Dr. Matthew D. Kim (author and professor at Gordon-Conwell) sits down with Carey Nieuwhof to talk about preaching to people in pain. Matthew shares about how he has dealt with grief and pain in his own life, ways to connect biblical narratives with the pain people are feeling and how to answer the difficult question of how a good God can allow suffering.

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Learn more from Matthew Kim in his latest book, Preaching to People in Pain: How Suffering Can Shape Your Sermons and Connect with Your Congregation.

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Rick Warren joins Carey Nieuwhof to discuss why he’s focusing on missions in this next season of life, practical tips for preaching on missions and the vision behind his new initiative, Finishing the Task. 

PLUS check out Barna’s YouTube channel for the extended version of this interview with Pastor Rick.

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Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman discuss a brand new statistic revealing that 38% of pastors have seriously considered quitting full time ministry in the last 12 months. Their conversation offers insights into why this finding matters and how to encourage them to persevere.

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Aaron & Michelle Reyes sit down with Carey Nieuwhof to talk about making space for difficult conversations as church planters of a multiethnic church. Together, they discuss how they navigate racial and political differences within their congregation, what they have done to meet their community’s needs and future innovations they dream about for their physical gathering space. 

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Ben Windle (Australian pastor, author and Barna contributor) and Jay Kim (author of Analog Church) sit down with Carey Nieuwhof to discuss making space for community in the digital era. They discuss what you can’t get from doing church online, the importance of building “lingering spaces” into your church buildings and opportunities to reimagine digital discipleship.

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Jo Saxton (author, speaker and entrepreneurial coach) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about making space for meaningful relationships in a digital age. She shares how the pandemic has shaped her personal relationships, the possibilities and limitations of digital discipleship and the unique impact the pandemic has had on women.

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Skye Jethani (author, ordained minister and co-host of the Holy Post Podcast) and Rev. Kimberly Deckel (Anglican priest and executive pastor at Church of the Cross in Austin, TX) sit down with David Kinnaman to talk about the theology of physical space. Together, they offer ideas to make worship an embodied practice, find a liturgy that reflects the values of your gatherings and innovate new focal points in your church services.

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Derwin Gray (Pastor of Transformation Church) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about making space for prayer. He shares how the Lord’s Prayer, in particular, has radically reshaped how he thinks about intimacy with the Father and why he believes physical space is needed to connect us with a larger narrative. 

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Derwin Gray (Pastor of Transformation Church) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about making space for prayer. He shares how the Lord’s Prayer, in particular, has radically reshaped how he thinks about intimacy with the Father and why he believes physical space is needed to connect us with a larger narrative. 

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Carey Nieuwhof is in the guest seat today as David Kinnaman flips the mic on him to talk about making space for rest and healthy rhythms for leaders. Carey talks about designing physical spaces for productivity, managing your energy to avoid burnout and fostering relationships after years in ministry. 

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Jim Sheppard (Generis CEO) and Julie Bullock (Senior Generosity Strategist at Generis) join Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about generosity. They explore common barriers to giving, the root struggles pastors face around money and how to disciple your church towards generosity.

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Rachel Cruze (national bestselling author and financial expert at Ramsey Solutions) sits down with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to discuss financial flourishing. Together, they talk about mistakes every generation makes around debt, practical ways for leaders to speak with Gen Z and Millennials about giving and how pastors can deal with financial pressures in their own lives.

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To get more practical financial advice from Rachel, check out her latest book, Know Yourself, Know Your Money.

Read more about the study Ramsey Solutions did on the state of debt at Ramseysolutions.com.

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Dr. Stephanie Shackelford (senior Barna fellow and author) joins David Kinnaman to talk about vocational discipleship within the Church. Drawing from recent Barna research, she debunks the common myths Christians believe about finding happiness and explains why the conversation on vocation matters for both younger and older generations. 

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John Mark Comer returns to talk with David Kinnaman about the opportunities and challenges the Church is facing in the current cultural moment. In particular, he discusses a new form of church membership, dealing with people leaving the church and trends in prayer practices emerging from the pandemic. Part 2 of 2.

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John Mark Comer (author and founding pastor of Bridgetown Church) sits down with David Kinnaman to discuss the three enemies of the soul, cultural trends he’s seeing in the next generation and the difficult expectations pastors face when leading through the pandemic. Part 1 of 2.

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Bestselling author and speaker, Rebekah Lyons, sits down with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about setting healthy rhythms amidst the pandemic. Together, they discuss how embodied practices (such as sleep and physical exercise) can help leaders address mental health challenges and pursue a more holistic well-being.

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Rob Peabody (CEO of VOMO) and Derek Sanford (Lead Pastor of Grace Church in McKean, PA) join Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about engaging volunteers digitally and in-person. In particular, they unpack how volunteer ministry can draw in younger generations and help churches discover their unique method for reaching their neighborhood.

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Bill Willits and Libby Hempen join Carey Nieuwhof to share about their experience leading small groups in a hybrid church context at North Point Ministries. Together, they discuss how to lead conversations amidst political tensions, generational trends in attendance through the pandemic and how shortened attention spans have shaped their curriculum choices.

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Jon Tyson (Lead Pastor at Church of the City New York) returns to talk with Carey Nieuwhof & David Kinnaman about the possibilities of online evangelism, creating a culture of prayer and a new approach to discipleship. Part 2 of 2.

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Jon Tyson (Lead Pastor at Church of the City New York) joins Carey Nieuwhof & David Kinnaman to share his personal journey of reimagining fatherhood, his framework for discipling adolescents, the unique challenges for pastors raising boys and how he is redefining biblical manhood. Part 1 of 2.

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Dr. Kara Powell (Executive Director of the Fuller Youth Institute) and David Kinnaman discuss the importance of addressing insecurities as a leader, the challenges of social media for Gen Z and why church ministries need to stop giving answers to questions teens aren’t asking. 

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Mark Matlock (founder of WisdomWorks and co-author of Faith for Exiles) and David Kinnaman sit down to discuss how the cultural landscape has changed since Faith for Exiles released two years ago. Together, they explore how the pandemic accelerated a narrative of hope, what’s changed in resilient discipleship since 2019 and the current state of youth ministry.

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To find the most recent data on resilient disciples, check out Barna’s Gen Z Volume 2 report.

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Jessica Bealer (Director of Family Ministry Services at Generis) and Kellen Moore (Next Gen Pastor at Our City Church) talk with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman about trends emerging in children’s ministry. They discuss how this younger generation is experiencing mental health, seeking digital discipleship and navigating the transitions between digital and in-person church gatherings. 

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Shane Sanchez (InsideOut Director at Gwinnett Church) and Alison Leamon (Next Gen Pastor at Preston Trail Community Church) join Carey and David to share about student and teen ministry. Together, they discuss which aspects of digital ministry have been most successful, strategies to increase parent engagement and how to use social media as a platform for ministry. Plus, David shares recent data on parents’ greatest concerns coming out of the pandemic.

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To kick off July's next generation focus, David sits down with Benjamin Windle to discuss what Millennials are looking for from the church, how to be a relational leader for younger generations and a new approach to recruiting volunteers. Plus, Carey and David discuss recent data on preaching and digital church engagement trends for Millennials.

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Benjamin is offering a live preaching webinar on July 7 full of practical coaching on how to preach to Millennials and Gen Z. To sign up today, go to Benjaminwindle.com/preaching-webinar.

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Carey Nieuwhof and Joe Jensen (Barna’s VP of Church Engagement) are joined by Jeff Henderson, president of The FOR Company and former lead pastor of Gwinnett Church. Together, they talk about the reputation and brand of the Church and how leaders can foster a positive presence in the community. 

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Chicago church pastor, Charlie Dates, and Vice President of Church Engagement at American Bible Society, Nicole Martin, explore the pandemic's impact on the Black Church in America and what may lie ahead. Plus, Carey, David and Nicole discuss surprising data from Barna's new Trends in the Black Church report.

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Craig Springer, Executive Director of Alpha USA, joins Carey and David to talk about the current state of evangelism in a world deeply impacted by the pandemic and what evangelism trends we’re already noticing in the next generation.

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Nona Jones joins Carey and David to talk about the state of racial justice in the U.S. one year after the murder of George Floyd. In this insightful interview, Nona shares commentary on recent Barna data and gives practical advice on how leaders can better shepherd their churches toward awareness and change.

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Learn more about Nona’s organization, Faith & Prejudice, and sign up for their 3-day Righting Wrongs Summit at www.faithandprejudice.com/summit!

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Dr. Terry Wardle sits down with Carey and David to close out our focus on mental health awareness for the month of May. Together, they discuss the damage leaders can experience from unresolved woundings, the importance of lamenting ungrieved losses and the inner journey of an abiding life in Jesus.

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Pete Scazzero joins Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman to talk about the Americanized Jesus, cultivating emotionally healthy discipleship, developing well-balanced leaders and learning to lean into the gifts of grief. Carey and David also share surprising data on how others feel the church is caring for their well-being.

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Carey Nieuwhof and Barna’s Vice President, Alyce Youngblood, are joined by Juli Wilson (widow of Jarrid Wilson) and Kayla Stoecklein (widow of Andrew Stoecklein). Together, Juli and Kayla talk about the suicides of their husbands–both of whom had served as church pastors–and how they want to see the Church’s conversation on mental health change in years to come.

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Dr. Anita Phillips (trauma therapist, speaker and host of the In The Light podcast) sits down with Carey and Brooke to discuss the collective trauma caused by the pandemic, the influence one's worldview has on discipleship models and practical ways leaders can walk with people through trauma, grief and mental health issues.

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Sharon Hodde Miller (author, speaker and co-lead pastor at Bright City Church) joins Carey and Savannah to discuss where pastors find their identity, the dynamics of preaching to digital audiences, leading as a female pastor and opportunities for smaller churches coming out of the pandemic.

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Raymond Chang, president and co-founder of the Asian American Christian Collaborative, joins Carey Nieuwhof and Brooke Hempell to discuss the history of Asian American racism, protest as a spiritually formative practice and advice for church leaders looking to bring healing and justice within the Church.

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Carey and David are joined by Glenn Packiam (Lead Pastor, New Life Church Downtown, Colorado Springs, CO) and Andrew Hébert (Lead Pastor, Paramount Baptist Church in Amarillo, TX) to talk about the challenges of pastoral health, a reframed perspective on attendance numbers and the future opportunities of hybrid church ministry.

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Derwin Gray, Lead Pastor of Transformation Church in Charlotte, SC and author of the new book Building a Multiethnic Church, joins Carey Nieuwhof and Brooke Hempell to talk about ongoing challenges of leading a multiethnic church, why a Gospel-centered view of racism requires a systemic and individual approach and common mistakes leaders make in pursuing diversity.

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Tim Keller, author and founding pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church, sits down with Carey and David to discuss the practices that have helped him focus in this past year, his experiences with digital versus in-person ministry and a new perspective on the hope of the resurrection in a year of crisis.

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Rick Warren, bestselling author and pastor of Saddleback Church, once again joins Carey and David for a candid conversation about the emotional impact of the pandemic on pastors, what he’s learned about creating space for his own emotions along the grief process and the most important advice leaders should know as they show up for others who are grieving. Part 2 of 2.

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In this episode, Carey and David are joined by author and pastor, Rick Warren, to discuss how he's led Saddleback Church through the pandemic and the political and racial divisions in our nation. Together, they also explore the opportunity for the Church to grow stronger in response to COVID. Part 1 of 2.

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John Mark Comer, author and pastor, joins Carey and Savannah to talk about the future of the Church, burnout, the importance of healthy pastoral rhythms, how to respond to criticism in graceful and constructive ways and what is at the root of fear.

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Dave Adamson, former North Point Social Media and Online Pastor, Instagrammer and church consultant, joins Carey and Savannah to talk about the future of hybrid ministry (in-person + digital) and shares practical advice on how church leaders can increase their engagement and impact online.

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Bryan Loritts, author of Insider Outsider and Teaching Pastor at Summit Church, joins Carey Nieuwhof and Brooke Hempell to discuss the faith of black Christians in America and the hard work required to lead congregations toward racial reconciliation.

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David Kinnaman sits down with Jennie Allen, president and founder of IF:Gathering and author of Get Out of Your Head, to discuss digital discipleship, the relationship between suffering and spiritual formation and the challenges facing ministry to women, Gen Z and parents. Introduction by Carey Nieuwhof and Savannah Kimberlin.

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Carey sits down with Barna President David Kinnaman for the first time in 2021. After losing his wife to brain cancer, David shares his personal journey and talks about the importance of making space to grieve, how to lead through loss and how to support hurting people as they heal.

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Jeanne Stevens, co-lead pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, joins Carey and Savannah to talk about the importance of casting vision and identifying opportunities during times of crisis, why they don't use the word reopen, establishing healthy relational boundaries in ministry and taking the time to address personal hardships while leading.

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Hillsong's Sam Collier is back for part 2 of his conversation with Carey and Savannah. The three discuss giving and planting a church with his spouse. They also talk about the importance of healthy boundaries and the ongoing process of racial reconciliation and healing.

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Hillsong Atlanta Lead Pastor, Sam Collier, talks about church planting during a global pandemic. Together with Carey and Savannah, they discuss the unique challenges and opportunities. Plus, Barna shares current data from church planters—do they have an advantage over existing churches? Part 1 of 2.

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Carey and Savannah are rejoined by Rich Villodas to talk about the impact the Coronavirus pandemic has had on pastors’ own spiritual lives and why a deeply formed life for a leader is more important now than ever. Part 2 of 2.

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Rich Villodas, author and lead pastor of New Life Fellowship in Queens, joins Carey Nieuwhof and Savannah Kimberlin to discuss how pastors can provide better pastoral care for their people while investing in their own spiritual health as leaders. Part 1 of 2. Plus, Barna data on the lack of digital spiritual formation offerings in churches and where they're seeing hope in innovation.

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51% of your congregation is female. Carey and Savannah are joined by Vivian Mabuni (author, speaker and podcaster) to discuss how the COVID crisis is impacting women, women leaders and women’s ministries. Vivian offers great advice on how the church can engage and disciple the next generation of women more effectively.

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Craig Groeschel, founder and senior pastor of Life.Church, joins Carey and Savannah to discuss how he’s responded to the pressures and opportunities of the Coronavirus pandemic. He also talks about the mindset that's needed to lead well in times of disruption and shares how the Life.Church team has come together in this challenging year.

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Francis Chan joins Carey Nieuwhof to discuss how he responds to critics and people who disappoint, ways to avoid burnout and the mental and emotional impact COVID is having on leaders. Part 2 of 2.

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Francis Chan joins Carey Nieuwhof to discuss the impact COVID is having on church leadership and church planting. They also discuss the opportunity this disruption offers to make deeper and more committed disciples of Jesus. Part 1 of 2.

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In this follow up interview, Miles McPherson (author, former NFL player and lead pastor of The Rock in San Diego), and Carey Nieuwhof discuss race, diversity and what a church leader can do to help foster racial reconciliation and unity.

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Miles McPherson (author, former NFL player and lead pastor of The Rock in San Diego) joins Carey Nieuwhof to talk about what discipleship, community outreach and church expansion look like in a COVID reality. This episode also includes an update from Barna's Savannah Kimberlin about new research on the state of the hybrid church.

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In this follow up interview, Carey Nieuwhof and Mark Sayers discuss how technology is disrupting ministry. Together, they explore what church leadership looks like in a world where power is decentralized and information is everywhere. They also remind leaders that, while our world is full of problems to solve, personal renewal is what often sparks corporate change.

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Mark Sayers joins Carey Nieuwhof for an in-depth conversation about how the COVID pandemic isn’t simply an experience to survive or endure, it’s an opportunity to learn and grow. Together, they discuss the impact the pandemic is having on the Church and how leaders can pursue deeper faith for themselves and their congregations—while leading towards a hopeful future.

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Carey Nieuwhof hosts this episode of ChurchPulse Weekly and recaps some of the biggest themes from the first seven months of the podcast. Carey gives helpful commentary as he shares clips from interviews with Mark Batterson, Dave Ferguson, Leslie Mack, Nona Jones, Haley Veturis, Andy Stanley, Albert Tate, Derwin Gray, Darren Scheske, Levi and Jennie Lusko, Pete Scazzero, Henry Cloud, Jon Tyson, Andy Crouch and Mark Sayers.

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During the holiday season, many people who don’t normally attend church are more open to spiritual conversations. But what does that look like in a year of digital-hybrid ministry? Aaron McRae (lead pastor) and Brian Wurzell (executive worship/creative pastor) of Hillside Community Church in Rancho Cucamonga, CA, join Carey and David to discuss preaching and leading worship online and preparing for digital Christmas experiences.

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Online engagement, hybrid church and how to rethink ministry in the digital realm—Alejandro Reyes, CEO of Digital Napkin and Executive Pastor at New Vintage Church, and Haley Veturis, Director of Digital Engagement at Bayside Church, share their best and worst practices for churches to connect with their audience.

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Many churches have seen their finances impacted by the pandemic. This week, David and Carey are joined by Jim Sheppard (CEO of Generis) and Christopher Harris (Executive Pastor at Crossover Church in Tampa, FL) to discuss how leaders should financially plan in this time of uncertainty.

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Latasha Morrison, speaker, author and founder of Be the Bridge, talks about the demand for racial justice. Morrison, whose ministry seeks to empower people toward racial healing, equity and reconciliation, shares her thoughts on the Church’s complex relationship with justice—and how it can move forward.

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Pete Scazzero, founding pastor of New Life Church in Queens, NY and author of Emotionally Healthy Spirituality joins David and Carey. Together, they discuss the pandemic's impact on the mental and emotional health of church leaders and congregants and how to create healthy lifestyle habits.

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David and Carey dive into the unique challenges of church multiplication in a pandemic. They're joined by Dave Ferguson, president of Exponential and lead pastor of Community Christian Church in the greater Chicago area, as well as Roy Helu Jr. and Glenn Lawson, two church planters at CityLight Bennington in Omaha, Nebraska. We also hear new data on current church attendance.

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Andy Crouch, author and Theology & Culture Partner at Praxis, joins Carey and David this week to discuss what the long-term impact of the Coronavirus pandemic might look like for churches at a time when only 58% of pastors say they're "very confident" their church will survive in the coming year and a half. They also talk about the growing influence of technology in our lives and how we can can be more intentional about using our devices in a supporting role instead of a consuming role.

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Andy Stanley, author and senior pastor of North Point Community Church, joins David and Carey this week. Together, they discuss how the pandemic is impacting the church in areas like spiritual growth and pastors' emotional well-being. Andy shares why his church was one of the first to decide not to reopen for in-person services until 2021 and offers encouragement and insights for leading in times of uncertainty.

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In this episode, you'll hear the second part of David and Carey's interview with Mark Batterson, author and lead pastor of National Community Church in Washington, D.C. In this discussion, Mark explores how to love and serve people who are different than us or who disagree with us—an important topic in this divided moment we're living in. Mark also offers an encouraging reminder that God is working in the midst of these challenging times.

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In response to the pandemic, pastors were forced to quickly find ways to do church in a digital or hybrid environment. Now, with church rhythms a bit more settled, many leaders are asking bigger questions like, “What role does God want the church to play in this unique cultural moment? And how to we reach the next generation?” This week on the podcast, to help explore this important topic, David and Carey are joined by Mark Batterson, author and lead pastor of National Community Church in Washington, D.C.

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Just a few weeks ago, nearly half of U.S. pastors said one of the greatest challenges they’re facing right now is ministry to children and youth. This week, Carey and David drill deeper into this stat with student ministry leaders Leslie Mack, Director of Content for Switch (6th-12th grade) at Life.Church, and Shane Sanchez, Inside Out (Senior High) Director at Gwinnett Church in Atlanta, Georgia. Together, they offer clarity and direction to pastors who are struggling with next gen ministry in this difficult time.

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As we enter into what is traditionally thought of as the "back-to-school" season, millions of young people are being forced to adapt to new systems and circumstances. To help us think about how to love and serve our youth in these challenging times, David and Carey are joined by Dr. Kara Powell, author and Executive Director of the Fuller Youth Institute. She shares a number of practical insights for reaching young people in a digital context and uncovering the mental health challenges many of them are facing.

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David and Carey are joined by Jon Tyson—author, pastor and church planter in New York City (and COVID survivor, along with his family). Latest ChurchPulse Weekly polls show pastors are feeling great personal discouragement and burnout. Jon echoes these sentiments mentioning he and his staff have been working harder than they ever have before. David, Carey and Jon look at the opportunity to continue reaching people online and how, in some ways, the pandemic is inspiring churches to take advantage of digital ministry opportunities that have been available for years. Jon also encourages leaders who feel directionless right now to aspire to meet the needs of their specific people, instead of pursuing an arbitrary definition of “good leadership.”

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Only 11% of leaders surveyed in the latest ChurchPulse Weekly poll report feeling "extremely well-equipped" to lead in this present moment. Most of us can relate to this sense of uncertainty. That's why this week, Carey and David are joined by Nona Jones, Director of Faith-Based Partnerships at Facebook and co-pastor of Open Door Church in Florida, to discuss pastor egos, the dynamics of hybrid (in-person+digital) church and the ministry challenges and opportunities that are coming from back-to-school restrictions.

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Lysa TerKeurst, author, speaker, and president of Proverbs 31 Ministries, is no stranger to trauma. In this interview, she shares the difference between privacy and secrecy and how leaders can be appropriately vulnerable with their audiences and teams. David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof also discuss data on the mental and emotional impact of pastors during this season of disruption and offer tips on how (and with whom) to be vulnerable.

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David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof are joined this week by Darryn Scheske, founding senior pastor of Heartland Church, and Derwin Gray, lead pastor of Transformation Church in South Carolina. As leaders of multicultural congregations, Derwin and Darryn share their insights on how to lead in a time when the world and the church are awakening to the need for racial justice. As Carey puts it, “Thirty years from now, the more important conversation is not, ‘How did you make it through COVID, but what did you do about racial reconciliation?’ I think that's how history will remember this moment.”

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This week on the podcast, David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof are joined by Scott Sauls, author and senior pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville. Together, they discuss how the church can be countercultural for the common good in these chaotic times. And they emphasize the importance of committing to being discipled by Jesus towards humility, instead of allowing ourselves to be discipled by cable news and partisan politics. This episode also includes the latest ChurchPulse Weekly data, which reveals that many pastors expect COVID-related disruptions to get worse in the next week. And most re-opened churches have not regained the attendance they were seeing before the pandemic.

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This week, we're sharing the second half of our conversation about racial justice and the church with Albert Tate and Rev. Dr. Nicole Martin. Albert Tate is the co-founder and lead pastor of Fellowship Church in Monrovia, California. And Rev. Dr. Nicole Martin is an author and Assistant Professor of Ministry and Leadership Development at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. They join hosts Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman in an honest discussion about questions white Christians should be asking, how supporting healthy change can help the church reach young people, and how the church can become a more united community.

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This week, we take an honest look at the global awakening to racial justice that's happening all around us. Our latest ChurchPulse Weekly data has revealed that only 18% of pastors feel completely competent to lead in this moment, which is why two special guests will be sharing how church leaders can pursue the unity God has called us to. Albert Tate is the co-founder and lead pastor of Fellowship Church in Monrovia, California. And Rev. Dr. Nicole Martin is an author and Assistant Professor of Ministry and Leadership Development at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. They join hosts Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman in an honest and needed discussion about how the church can be an active force for good in this time of growth and change.

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This week, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman are joined by Pastor Levi Lusko and his wife, Jennie. They helped pioneer Fresh Life Church—a multisite church with locations in Montana, Utah, Oregon, and Wyoming. Together, they discuss how the pandemic has impacted their marriage and ministry, how they’re addressing racial reconciliation at church and in their home, and what they’re doing to make new church members feel welcome in a world where people are digitally participating in churches they don’t live close to. This episode also unpacks the latest ChurchPulse Weekly data on how the church and its leaders are responding to the constant change and disruption.

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After exploring how the pandemic is affecting churches, this episode looks specifically at how the Coronavirus is impacting youth groups and children’s ministries. To do this, David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof are joined by Frank and Jessica Bealer. Jessica has been leading children’s ministry for 19 years and Frank is the CEO of Phase Family Centers and Executive Director of Leadership Development at Orange. Together, they offer practical advice to leaders ministering to younger generations in this summer of disruption. They also discuss ChurchPulse Weekly data specific to this topic.

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This week, David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof discuss the latest ChurchPulse Weekly data which includes information on the effects of digital church attendance. They're also joined by ministry leaders, Adam Weber and Glenn Packiam. Adam is founding pastor of Embrace, a multi-site church based out of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Glenn is associate senior pastor at New Life Church in Colorado Springs. Adam and Glenn talk about the circumstances that influenced their decisions to reopen their physical church locations and how attendees responded. They also offer practical advice for church leaders who want to lead well through the reopening process.

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This episode features special guests Rich Villodas, Lead Pastor at New Life Fellowship in NY and Dr. John Fankhauser, CEO at Ventura County Medical Center and Santa Paula Hospital. They share practical advice on re-launching physical gatherings, the mental health impact of COVID-19, and the opportunity for a more deeply formed life during crisis. Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman also discuss the latest ChurchPulse Weekly data, including findings about how pastors view the regulations surrounding re-gathering.

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In the midst of a chaotic and disruptive moment in history, it’s crucial for leaders to remember to care for their own souls. In this episode, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman discuss the latest ChurchPulse Weekly data and explore how leaders can institute healthy rhythms and practices in their own lives. They’re joined by John Mark Comer, author and pastor at Bridgetown Church, and Tish Harrison Warren, author and priest in the Anglican Church.

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As church leaders deliberate when and how to reopen for in-person services, it's important to consider the opinions of churchgoers. This week, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman discuss surprising new data surrounding how churchgoers feel about reopening. They are joined by special guest Thom Rainer, founder and CEO of Church Answers, and former president and CEO of LifeWay Christian Resources and Pastor Myron Pierce of Mission Church in Omaha.

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As we watch what's happening in the world around us, not enough leaders are asking, “What does God want to do inside us at this time?” This is a problem because, in many cases, personal renewal has to precede corporate change. This week, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman discuss these topics with the help of special guest, Mark Sayers. They also look at the latest ChurchPulse Weekly data, which includes shifts in attendance and giving.

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Now that we’re starting to adjust to this new context, as church leaders, we have an opportunity to stop wondering how to do digital church and start exploring how to do it well. This week, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman discuss topics key to digital discipleship, with the help of Michael Todd, Jo Saxton, and Skye Jethani. David and Carey also look at the newest ChurchPulse Weekly data, which includes insights into when pastors are planning to resume in-person services and how they're preparing for the new normal.

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As leaders, we're always looking for ways to grow and improve. And in order to know how our churches are doing, we need to measure what matters. In this episode, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman discuss new metrics for the online church environment we're all living in, along with the data from this week's pastor poll. They're joined by Danielle Strickland and Kenny Jahng.

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This week, hosts Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman are joined by Dr. Henry Cloud and Holly Wagner (of Oasis Church in Los Angeles, CA) as they discuss the recent ChurchPulse Weekly data and focus in on how church leaders can help their people navigate the mental and emotional health challenges that come with the current crisis.

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In this time of crisis, it’s easy to slip into a pattern of reacting. Listen, as David Kinnaman and Carey Nieuwhof discuss how church leaders can continue to minister proactively in their communities — even in the midst of social distancing. They're joined by Jud Wilhite, bestselling author and senior pastor of Central Church, and Bianca Olthoff, co-pastor of The Father’s House Church, bestselling author and founder of In The Name of Love nonprofit organization. David and Carey also discuss the findings from this week's pastor poll, including how pastors are rapidly preparing for the likelihood of digital Easter services.