Job Seekers Radio: Recent Episodes
Andrew Beach and Scott Pickard-Jones
Show Notes Do you want to help your network find jobs? Many of us do! Sometimes it’s hard to know exactly how you might be able to help your network that is productive.
Learn some strategies and tips on how to support job seekers from Andrew and Scott in this episode.
Don’t miss these Topics: * What is coaching and how can I coach others. * How to be available and supportive. * What to do when people ask for your help to find work. * When to ask questions and when to give advice. * Side effects and benefits of supporting others. * Building skills like understanding, empathy and helping others find their own way. * Who and how to reach out proactively. * Offering and doing mock interviews. * Thoughts on reverse brainstorming or being the “devil’s advocate”. * Facilitating networking connections. * Don’t ask for a resume unless you have a job or capacity to 100% endorse for a job. * Do for one what you wish you could do for many. * Create template for responding to outreaches you may not be able to give full attention.
Resources (including affiliate links) Networking Checklist
iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View Transcript 00:00:04 – 00:05:06
To John, singers radio I’m Scott. I’m Andrew this production is meant to provide meaningful support for you listener to find a great career faster whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of the networking conversation. It’s an e book and a free resource that we’ve created that you can download at seekers radio DOT com. Today’s episode were talking about how you as the listener can support others around you as a coach or a support mechanism to help them maybe in a time of need. Yes. We’re not talking about the kind of coaching that Andrew and I do where there’s a process that we help people get through that. We’re looking at outcomes and everything else coaching can actually be. Done in many different ways and and just just professional coaching. There’s the difference between the kind of coach that instructs and the other kind of coach that works with self-discovery, and we’re not going to go down that road. What we want to do is to set up the idea of making yourself available to help other people work through their stuff to be a resource. You think okay I’m not in a capacity I don’t have the capability. I’m not trained up or have the experience that Scott in Andrew have what value could I possibly have to those around me that are in need of employment that’s what we’re talking about as just as uncomfortable as it is for them to be looking for employment, it might be as equally uncomfortable for you to talk to them about it right for a number of reasons for whatever. There’s lots of reasons. especially if you are also looking for work, you don’t you’re not working at the time and somebody is asking you for advice. I worked to why. They right if I had all the answers. Well, that’s the thing. Often. We find the answers through helping other people and it’s something that I’m sure you’ve heard I’m sure we’ve even talked about it to some degree in prior podcasts the idea of making yourself available to to network with people to talk to other people you get as much if not more of the conversation than the one asking you we want to start by saying when someone asks you to coach them say yes. It doesn’t matter if you are the best coach in the world, what matters is that you are there for them. And it may not be that they’re asking you to be coached. They may just say, Hey, i. need help and that’s an admission on their side that they appreciate you. They honor potentially your contributions in your your advice, your perspective, it’s not them. Coming to you and demanding right something back. It’s them coming to you with open hand saying I need help. It could come in another form where people are reaching out to you thinking you might have a job. This is an opportunity to reset conversation and actually help them through potentially a networking process to execute best practices. But right now at a very basic level, all some people really need is someone to listen because they may not be getting responses on applications they may not be getting interviews, they may reach out to you from a position of. Nervousness and self doubt and perhaps even anxiety just be available I mean it’s not as difficult as we make it sound say, yes, there’s something that comes by asking questions and that’s I think the difference between a coach and a consultant right so when we’re coaching, we actually have a different hat on where were asking questions to get to space that you already want to go. So we’re not trying to lead you to a space you. You maybe don’t Wanna go or that’s mutually beneficial for both of us that would probably be closer. To sales and leading somebody to a destination that I want them to go would be manipulation of the highest degree. We don’t want that either. But what we’re talking about here in terms of your capacity to be available is just ask questions you know, what are you experiencing where you know you don’t have to make any statements you don’t have to offer them anything other than your ear to listen and ask questions that’s going to do a couple of things for the audience. By the way, it’s going to allow you to be seen. As somebody who cares which is always good. So that’s a reputation you get to take away. So you do get benefit not by telling or You know doing these other activities that aren’t gonNA lead to any kind of positive outcome for both of you. One of the things that comes to my mind as I think about being unemployed especially unemployed for any period of time is the idea of not being heard when were in the the the work place one of the things that I talked about internal communication and.
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Internal Service is the idea of gossip and how every company you’re going to hear especially in HR. Oh, gossip is a bad thing. It’s destructive. It’s poison. It’s this that and all of that is true. It happens for a reason and it’s usually because someone feels that they’re not being heard will that is absolutely true when we’re in a job search, there is no one then there to hear us one of the things that that I learned in my coaching training was to start the conversation with what’s going on for you. It isn’t about giving them a gripe session or letting them complain. First of all, we judge Griping and complaining way too much mainly because generally people don’t understand how to help others get solutions but that’s a different conversation. The idea is let them be heard. By being that listening ear, you’re allowing the other person to feel heard to feel like you’re there to listen that you’re actually someone who cares. These are all really nice things to feel you’re helping them by getting it out getting it out of their head if you’re taking notes so much the better because then you can start looking at any patterns that may show up things that they’re not noticing and then. By. Asking more questions about what they understand about what they’ve just talked about they can start putting things together for themselves. You have to come up with the answers because they’re going to do all that for themselves and you just eliminated a dependent relationship. There’s been fit all around that not only are you building reputation and you’re adding value but this is a what what goes around comes around kind of thing. That if you help this person and then you’re in that same space six months a year two years from now then you have somebody you can lean into that. You demonstrated that you were that type of person and the there’s an opportunity there for you to open a door that that maybe it was closed before I would say as you’re asking these questions, my tendency for example, is to them because I. Connect. I. That is what I seek in any interaction is that connection and I have a habit when I hear them telling me their story I, then tell them my story that kind of mirroring is natural. Everyone does that to some degree now people like me we tend to to share easily other people tend not to share so easily and that’s okay. The idea of sharing needs to go back and forth. If you’re like me pay attention to what they are saying. Behind the words that they’re using because. So often, and this is the the although Stephen Covey gets the credit for it. It was said long before him will you listen to reply not to understand it happens in most of our conversations where someone will say something that triggers a thought on my hand I stopped listening except for that opening so that I can reply instead you can connect just as well. If you listen to what they’re talking about and ask another question asked a question that helps refine what they just said. To, get them one step farther or to be a little clearer whatever that may be. Get in the habit of asking a second question. That is going to help not only that person feel that you care. It’s going to help them actually get ahead in their own path and you’re now practicing a skill you can work for yourself and you’re not in a position where you just constantly adding advice I know I as a man I suppose you could say it that way. I’m always looking for ways to fix things to make things better right. So I’m always looking for the solution before I’ve had a chance to understand the problem. I don’t know that that’s necessarily dealing with sex I think most us at least in the United States we are taught as we grow up in business that we need to be solutions oriented. We need a solution what problem you’re trying to solve. I can’t tell you how many times in how many organizations I’ve been in whether as an employer consultant they asked me well, what problem are we trying solve? Why do you need a problem? What if you want to do something proactive? Well, we’re not accustomed to doing that it doesn’t have to be your solution that needs to be found here. Maybe you need. To Guide them through asking these questions so that they find their own solution, which is far more valuable because they’re actually going to be motivated to do it, and when they come to you the they know that you’re going to act in this way. Then you’re not in a position of hand to give advice after advice after, and now I become the reputation of guy that has all the answers and none of them were in the market none none of the good questions to help me, and then when you go to knock on that door six months a year from now, it’s not going to open.
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So. That’s something to think about now and and I’m sure as you through and listen to some of our podcast episodes. You’re probably gonNA think of somebody that is going or is exhibiting some of these things that we’re talking about and what I’ve gotten in the habit of in this is taken, some practice is actually reaching out to that person right when. I think about them if I have time if I’m in the middle of something that’s different. I usually think of it as going to sleep at night or as I wake up at five in the morning. Yeah. Well, I mean not a good time to talk but that’s a good time to say what I really need to reach out to this person. Follow up not from a position of self interest but from a position of you know, are you okay are you getting through this search? All right. There’s gotta be somebody that you know that comes into your mind during the day or during our conversations on seekers radio that you should reach out to, and if it does you should yes. Yup I agree that in the habit of shooting people we talk. At. Don’t should yourself you should do this I. I completely agree don’t pass up the opportunities when somebody comes to mind and I’m not suggesting that there’s some mystical aspect of this worse He’s thinking of me on. It it’s just don’t lose that opportunity. Hey, you came to my mind today. How are you put yourself in that person’s position? Doesn’t it feel good when somebody calls you out of the blue and says, Hey, I was thinking about today how you doing right and then you can ask those questions what’s going on for you right now what are you learning through this time? Whatever it is that they’re telling you how does this apply to what patterns they’ve seen or where they go because you’re going to get as much or more out of that conversation as they do. To get in the habit at part of being an effective leader or somebody that’s in the marketplace looking for opportunity, you may be an Aja, but you don’t know that you need another one just yet. But as being proactive yourself by reaching out to these people offering support you really laying the groundwork so that if that does happen, you’re you’re prepared right another thing that I really like that you’ve just reminded me of is offering to those people that you know who are looking for work to do a mock interview just to practice their interviewing skills because as the interviewer you have to be aware of what those interviewing skills are, and you’re simply reinforcing your own interviewing skills by being the interviewer. Absolutely if anyone this is my advice if anyone asks you to help them through a mock interview, say, yes you both benefit and it’s something that super easy you don’t have to you don’t have to really. Reach out to anybody or coach anybody just hey, it’s an interview right something. You could even offer I suppose to do for that person. You know if you ever have an interview I’m open I’m open to helping you with that. So if you’re the type of person that’s really good at those interpersonal communications or or perhaps you’re in a domain where you’re doing a lot of interviewing yourself and so it’s second nature to you to see what’s good or what’s not that yeah that would be something. You could easily role play and provide an invaluable tool to help these folks be ready. Now, I don’t know outside of helping somebody meet their future spouse. Right that you actually introduced that person to their spouse. I. Don’t think there’s anything higher than that than helping somebody find a good job. and. So if you had even a little bit of contribution in that process, it feels good. Feels real good. Does doing something for others supporting other people in their moment of need helps you in yours it gets you out of your own head. It gets you out of your own cycles. Those those vicious circles that you can that your mind can get yourself in putting yourself out there and really. Starting, to think in new ways. Now, another thing we may have talked about this concept at a in a prior podcast, but I thought it applied here to is the idea of doing reverse brainstorming and where that came in in my own thinking was the idea of playing devil’s advocate. Okay. So you’re talking to somebody who is struggling with something and you’re going to play devil’s advocate my first thought was. Be Very careful because I’ve been the devil’s advocate in the past and all I did was shut the person down more because I kept asking questions that triggered their doubt.
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So if you’re dealing with somebody who is in that situation where they’re just sort of spinning in their own, a process that I learned relatively recently over the couple of years was reverse brainstorming. It’s a hypothetical conversation so you’re already by. Setting it up as hypothetical you’re talking about what is not real? It lowers the stakes somebody can get out of their own head. Okay. We’re going to do something a little differently. What reverse brainstorming does is instead of going for what you want brainstorming the outcome you want you brainstorm the outcome you don’t want. So let’s say you’re looking for work. Well, what can you do to fail at getting a job? Let’s put out on a piece of paper, a whiteboard whatever you have available to you. Let’s look at all the things that you can do to prevent yourself from getting a job and you start writing all this stuff. Now take it to the next step. So somebody actually reaches out to you to do some networking. What can you do to make that fail and you’re right all those things down that’d be fun exercise wouldn’t it? You now have a list of all the things that you can avoid doing. That are going to take your chances do the things that are the opposite of all of those ideas or I could stay at home. Okay. Don’t stay home I could tell the person now. Don’t say no. Reverse brainstorming is a very simple and very successful way to start coming up with ideas that will lead you to success and you don’t have to play devil’s advocate to do. It could be that instead of calling it reverse brainstorming you just talk about a hypothetical third-party, right? Okay. My friend Jerry or my my my sister Sophia or something. And that way it’s not you and it’s not damage some other third party that’s doing that what what are they doing? What can they do to fail I? It’s like a an Avatar. Now, living vicariously through third party but I but I can see how it’d be super valuable getting somebody unstuck. You have somebody that comes to you. They’re stuck. This is a way to get them unstuck. The other side effect that happens is at some point you’re going to start laughing because the IDs get a little bit silly Dick. They’re still true they sound silly and so you’re you’re laughing about all these things that you are. You have to do to fail the the light that shines on what you can do get so much brighter I. IT’S A. Process that I’ve used a number of times. Now over the last couple of years, I find it to be helpful in some fashion every single time on top of that, you’re probably looking at the possibility. If you’re weld network that you could connect this person somebody else hotel in your network, it’s just making sure I. Think the challenge had there’s if this person is not displaying to you the best practices that are known for networking, you may be reluctant to do that. What that means is if it makes sense for you and you think it would be. A warm introduction to send this person to the next one on the list. So to speak, then do that and maybe even help them through that by educating them or providing suggestions on what they should talk about riotous third party another thing and I think of someone in particular that I talked to a while ago that they had that experience where this other person helps them get to the next step and the interview didn’t go well and so that other person didn’t want to recommend my acquaintance in the future the conversation. I WanNa have with that other. person is don’t say no, it may not have gone the way you you had hoped there is still room for a discussion of value there, and if not to help your friend to get employed by that company at least have a conversation about what the company is looking for, and that allows all parties to come away from it being in a little bit better situation rather than just letting it sit at oh, it didn’t go well. So I I like the idea of coming back and not necessarily doing a retrospective. What can we learn from this I? Think? That’s an important conversation to have. If you’RE GONNA go to the effort of recommending somebody for a job. Shouldn’t you then also perhaps take the next step and help them prep for the interview if your your corporate policy allows that then by all means? If they are as good as they say they are in you know them why not? Right? Why not offer to hey, do you need prepping for that interview? Yeah. Now they say no, and then they fail and they tank. Well, it’s another thing if you’re going to be on the committee, exactly one of the difficulties of of knowing someone in hr or the hiring manager in the first place a who if they cannot recuse themselves.
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It could make a little awkward so that that’s a different conversation. The idea of making the introductions helping the person prepare following up with them. These are all ways that you can then help other people. which pays off in your own search and we do have. I do have a resource actually on my own website that’s a networking checklist. So it’s something that’s easy to transmit to other people so that show yeah. I’ll put that in the show notes. So if you’re interested in endowing copy of networking checklist. I’ll put that in the show notes as well as the. Request that you can get for the Anatomy of networking conversation and the discussion Scott that you and I have had until now is been what can we do to coach people in in a positive way? That’s helpful. I think it’s also valuable to determine at least call out what may not be helpful for for you to do so they can avoid. Yes. So that you can avoid doing these things and potentially pointing this person in a position that’s worse than when they came came to you excellent in the first one, I can think of is is asking somebody for a resume that you intend to do nothing with. Now. You’re not. You’re doing it intentionally are doing it to end the conversation because you don’t want to have it or it’s uncomfortable or you think this I just don’t know what to do here. I agree. and. That goes beyond the interviewing and networking and all and one thing I learned years ago as I got started in the HR and learning and development space never ask a question that you’re not prepared to do something with the answer. So by the same token, if you’re going to ask for a resume and you’re not going to do something with it, that is a big no, don’t do that. Ask for it do something with it or don’t ask for it. Yeah. I if they’re looking for a job and they come to you and you ask for a resume, what they’re thinking in their mind is you have a job for them or at least you’re going to pass it to the person who does and that you’re gonNA put your thumb on the scale or perhaps offer of recommendation or endorsement So just what they’re thinking, that’s what their mindset is. So when you’re taking that resume without that, then you need to be clear why you’re doing it and with that said, if you just say, well, send me your resume is there harm in in? Forwarding that to your hr department, this is something that I’ve run into with a number of people what what do I do with it since the jar it doesn’t need to be soliciting a specific job or soliciting an interview for a specific job. It doesn’t have to be anything other than, Hey, I know somebody who would be interested in work for the company here’s the resume. So at least you’re actually doing something with that resume you never know what may where that may lead I if you’re going to take that step to send it to hr please follow up with the person you took the resume from sure. Let them know you did that end. And with the next step might be because he here’s what happens. They’re still sitting there waiting for a phone call to get an interview. Okay. So if you’re just handing off the HR wiping your hands of it, not that that’s bad. No, I think there was that that’s the least you could do. That’s okay if there isn’t any anything else for you to other than to give that then you go ahead forward to take charge and then you tell your friend I forwarded to HR I don’t know if they’ll do anything because don’t know what positions they’re actually going to be posting know that someone received it, and if you happen to hear back from them, you can use my name doing something with it is more important. The other thing is telling them to look online at the jobs available unless you really have a job for them often I hear people that go and they meet with somebody at the. Company Oh, just go to the online portal and look at the jobs I having been in that situation in my career. I find that to be rather off putting I. Lose his certain amount of respect for the person says just go to my my website and look for the open jobs because that means they either don’t know why I’m talking to them. They don’t care enough to look in advance if this is an off the cuff conversation, they weren’t planning on talking to me any of that. That’s great. If someone comes to you and says, Hey, i. be interested in doing an informational interview because of where. You work at least take a few minutes to look at your own job postings just out of respect for the person who’s WHO’s coming to you look at is an opportunity to pay it forward.
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Honestly. So this person comes to you and you say go look at the jobs online and then that’s it. Really if you’re GONNA do that why here’s what they’re thinking they’re thinking oh well, we’ll go there and this person’s going to advocate for me. They’re gonNA put me for a recommendation they have a job for me. Okay. So if they’re encouraging me to go to the website and look at the jobs They have one for me or they’re gonNA advocate for me. Here we go back to setting adequate expectations ultimately by coaching or supporting other people. What you’re trying to do is help them and by not doing things, you are not helping them we really want to encourage people don’t ignore the request says they come in if you cannot help someone tell them you’re not in a position to help as much as you might like to, at least they get resolution to their outright right but avoiding them or not responding to them is just plain rude and no response is still respond. So I would say avoid that. The upfront be gentle with them. If you cannot help, we recommend we’re both open network irs we we will network with just about anybody because we understand the value of networking I have no idea if this total stranger comes and asks me to network what the mutual benefit may be I may want to ask some questions. The idea is if you cannot be honest about it, it’s okay say yes. Whenever you can I know that there’s people listening To this podcast that are so busy and they get so many requests every day that they they just can’t possibly spend time with everybody. I. Get that and the philosophy that I’ve heard that I really like is due for one. What you wish you could do for many. So even though you’re not meeting everybody pick one person maybe a week that you feel like, okay this is my one person and not that you’re being charitable, you’re being realistic. And, you’re doing for them what you wish you could do for everybody something else that goes hand in hand with that is if you are getting the same request, say for instance, you work in HR and you’re always getting the request. Hey, can I. Talk to you for advice about how to interview whatever if those are coming in consistently have some kind of response that you can copy and Paste that you are then providing them resource that can help them. Maybe you send send them a link to to job seekers radio DOT COM that way you’re not ignoring them. You’re not being rude. You are saying I’m sorry. I’m not in a position to help you right now. This is where I would suggest you turn for that kind of help and that way they’re still getting an honest. Response from you. That is at some in some fashion helpful to them and I’m not saying that job seekers radio DOT COM is the answer to all of it, send them to someone or some organization that can help them. And I’ve also seen people do posts unlike lengthened what have you how to get hired at my company? So there’s a company that you work for like aws I shall somebody did that this is how you get hired at aws. Here’s the leadership principles and they just laid it all out right so that if you WANNA get a job with our company, here’s everything you need to get that done. So I think that was intentional in that it allowed him to hold everybody at arm’s length and he can just point them to the Arctic. That’s a brilliant idea. So there’s other ways to get around that. So all right while we WANNA thank you all for joining us today. Check out the link in the show notes for itunes. Subscribe. You’ll get future episodes. You’ll be able to keep up with what’s going on and most importantly, you can provide a rate and review we want to hear from you whether you felt this was helpful or give us the review and how it helped you. We love to hear from that about that. We also want to hear from you with your questions. We love trying to provide some answers to questions remembering that we’re not just giving advice we’re really trying to help. You discover what’s going to work for you send US those notes at I tunes, you can get the show notes in resources on whatever podcast player you have on your mobile device or should be a link down there. If you prefer to go to the website, you can do that as well. It’s job seekers radio DOT COM forward slash zero eight two and that’s typically for folks that are driving you know sometimes you you can’t just go to your phone and Click the link. So that’s where he had find all the resources we talked about, and the show notes with more details while I’m Andrew and I’m Scott and in the words of Andrew Iskender and I’m paraphrasing.
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Kindness, is not doing something for someone else because they can’t. Kindness is doing something for someone because you can. Thanks everybody. Thanks fighting.
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Show Notes Your job search not going the way you want? Feeling like your skills aren’t up to snuff? Scott and Andrew discuss ways to mitigate your self doubt.
Don’t miss these Topics: * Remember this: You have value! and.. Everyone has doubt! * Identify and manage your self doubt. * How to think about job postings when you don’t fit because you are either under-qualified or over-qualified. * Build resilience by taking productive breaks in your search. * The danger of absolutist with your mindset and approach. * Redefine your perspectives to see what’s positive about it. * The Never Ending Job Search, how to think about will it ever end. * Doing things for others can become a useful diversion. * Nobody is hiring or Hiring Freeze doubts. * Role of networking in reducing your doubt feelings.
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iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View Transcript 00:00:01 – 00:05:02
Welcome to job. Seekers Radio I’m Andrew. This production is meant to provide you. Meaningful support is a listener to find a great career faster whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation e book. It’s a free resource. You can download at job. Seekers radio DOT COM in today’s show. We’re talking about overcoming self doubt in your job search what I’ve found in recent times, is it? There’s a lot of doubt in the marketplace. You have value. That’s what I’m going to start with. You have value. It’s just finding the place where you can use your that can use your value. Yes, and who will appreciate your value absolutely, so we’re going to talk today about some top doubts and some solutions some things that you can do to resolve some of those doubts or mitigate them or worthy. Get your right, and that’s that’s where I wanted to start. Love the idea you have value find the place that acknowledges that appreciates at the same time. Understand that everyone has self downed everyone. Again if you have no fear, no doubt then the you may be disordered. The idea of self doubt is so universal that overcoming. Self doubt really is the key. It is not eliminating you won’t. Recognizing learning to manage, it is a far greater more important skill, then trying to eliminate it because it’s not going to happen. It may be evidence of empathy and compassion. Actually that you’re downing doing something because it might impact somebody else that’s great could be. Necessarily if we’re talking your language right now and your job seeker listening to this session, or perhaps your energy job in your just unsure your next move, you might be dealing with things like you know. Do I meet these requirements of this role. Will the interviewers like me right will ever find a good job as good or bad as the last one I’ve had in, and can there be anything better. Maybe it’s I’m current with ’em. Current with the job market are my sills valued right? You’re questioning things then you’re in the right place I would agree. You’re in the right place. So the first one that we really think about here’s job requirements and many of the people that I coach will look online postings right. They’ll look at. Do An inventory as great analytical do. Because I work with a lot of analytical engineers that sorta chicken they they liked to deconstruct the job description and say do I fit? Do I not fit? AM? I? Interested? Am I not. Doubt right this. Look at that and say well. You Know I. Don’t mean one hundred percent of the requirements so I’m not gonNA apply for that I’ll tell you from an HR perspective job. Descriptions are wish in most cases now it’s true that some companies will create the job description based on the person doing the job, so it’s just listing out the things that this person is currently doing, and there’s a reason for that and I’m not knocking that when they are then looking for the replacement, they will look at all of the things that that person. And then they want the next step up. However wonderful that person may have been, they still want the next one to be even greater, and so they’re looking at this and and making everything sound Rosie remember that a job description is the wishlist with their posting it online. You were the one that came up with the study Do you remember where that there was a study done? Interestingly enough by a company that would make applications on behalf of candidates right so the? They would just do that automatically for them I don’t know if there was some back end system that did that or a bottle, or if it was actually people just typing these. These things in for you copy paste because all that is really to put your stuff in down in an ats applicant tracking system is data entry, so you’re highly qualified. If you’ve done at least what fifty applications for data entry job, right? The idea was the tract everything when they applied and when they got responses and they they actually mapped out that people who meet somewhere between fifty I think it was fifty eight to ninety percent requirements that that range is what got interviews and people below fifty percent, or somewhere in that area were just as likely not to get an interview somebody who is ninety to ninety five per one hundred percent. And you think about that. If if this is a wishlist, somebody has all those skills they may be over qualified for the position, and so that may not get the attention I think it’s important to remember that your skill set is unique to you. It does have value and finding the organization that values it will take some time effort.
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It’s critically important to your happiness, and there’s if you’re of the opinion that it doesn’t matter if I’m happy as long as they’re happy. I will be. You, really need to be careful walking down that road. I’ve also heard that doubt that is in somebody’s mind. I’m over qualified for that role, and that’s kind of I. Think it different kind of out in that. If I apply for this thing, they’re not going to ask me in. Because I’m overqualified. That’s more of A. I. Don’t know if that’s EGO or Well, there’s there. You know it’s still the. Yeah there’s fear involved in probably because those of us who have been in that situation where we applied for job that was lower than the one we left. Yes, we’re over qualified for that job, but. The Way I actually landed lower position job was. By explaining why I was applying for it in the first place. That afforded me. I was in a time in my life when I didn’t want the responsibility of managing a large team, and for good reason, all I needed was to have the conversation with them as to why it’s a reasonable doubt that you would get as many interviews by being terribly overqualified, but that doesn’t mean you won’t get an interview. Networking going to help strengthen the ties to that. If you know somebody on the inside, who can let the the recruiter or hiring manager now? Hey, I know somebody who has overqualified this for this position, but it’s actually what he’s looking for. Networking is going to definitely benefit, and if you’re at one end of the spectrum, Hey, I, don’t have the skill to match that role so I’m not going to apply, but then the other end of that spectrum is I’m overqualified. GonNa apply anyway just so I can have an application, and then in both of those cases. You don’t get an interview right so you may be a perfect fit for one of those roles. That’s kind of in the middle. And you don’t get the interview or you don’t get any response. You get nothing ghosted. Call whatever you want our. Then it just kind of fans, the flames of doubt that you have the skills necessary to be successful in the marketplace now in pursuing things like education or certification or Gosh. I need to retool because you presume that because somebody has not answered your request on an Ats that you are somehow doubting your skills right and I, think that’s very dangerous and very expensive and very expensive yet normal dangerous expensive. I I completely agree with you. I. Think about those who? Disliked the free phrase. Give up because most people looking for work. Don’t give up I know I. said this in prior podcasts at times. It’s good to take a break. Define how much time you’re just not going to to look for while take a rest because you’re more prepared then after that rest to put the energy back into it, but it also gives you an opportunity to start thinking differently sort of in the mind of resilience. If you keep thinking the same thoughts and you keep getting the same results. That’s going to start feeding itself if you take that break and allow yourself to let go of the doubt. Two. But to just accept it for what it is, and then to think about what could happen, that would be good. Allow yourself to think on that for a while. You’re probably going to get back into that job. Search with a renewed sense of energy and drive and something just popped into my mind is we’re producing this right now? Is that Hey, my mind even wanders when people are talking. Start thinking about different things I hear a dog bark in the Vafa. It’s not in. It doesn’t doesn’t have anything to do with. You Scott has everything to do with this this this mind of mine that just kind of can wander. Everybody and something I’ve seen you. Do you probably down you? Write your ideas down. Yeah, I have to. Because, my my head is a scary place. And and my memories good, but it’s not perfect, yeah. I like about doing that if I’m taking notes of the idea that popped into my head, I can then. Pay More attention to the person who’s speaking and I let people know. Hey I’m going to be taking notes while we’re talking doubt doubt. I doubt I’m going to get an interview now. This often comes from people that we interact with it. Breakfast club that have been looking for a long time, right? They feel like they’re doing all the right things and many times they are and many times they are, but they’re just not getting an interview, and so they get to a point in their search where they feel like.
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I’m never gonNA find anything. From that point of absolute anytime used never or always or any of these admirably right, it’s all absolute, and there is no absolute. Well I guess there are some. Like death and taxes and stuff like that, but no taxes are still in choice. You can go to jail. Lose your. Life. But. It’s still there. It’s still there, but I’m thinking about okay I doubt I’m ever going to get an interview, because my my never ending job search, and so I feel that there’s a point at which there some insecurity that enters the equation because of their doubt I’ve been there I know people who have been unemployed longer than I was. But I was unemployed for three years at one point during the recession, and that was a tough tough time. It messes with your head. Talk about self doubt and wondering if I’m even higher, -able absolutely goes through went through my mind, constantly two things that I did I talked to the people cared about me. Who are actually supporting the at the time because I was one of those where I had no money laughed, my family was helping me. There was also the idea of never give up. You just don’t give up. Keep moving forward and Dick warn guy here. In Portland, that I met at the time who was giving me a lives. We were having a networking coffee together, and he was the one that gave me the definition of progress of movement towards a worthy goal. And pointing out the fact that it doesn’t matter if it’s. Three miles three yards three millimeters. It is still progress towards the worthy goal. Don’t give up. And I finally got a job, and it was exactly the job I was looking for, and did it last forever. No nothing does, but that’s the other part of that lesson. Is this period that you’re in? How ever doubtful you may be about? Your prospects is the situation you’re in right. Now will change if you haven’t read Eckert Talas the power of now read it. It is only the situation you’re in. It does not define who you are, so it does not define. Your value does not define your ability to be hired. It is simply the situation you find yourself in now. Don’t give up. That is great. I would also recommend considering how you can use that as fuel because a lot of times you get into that situation. You don’t think there’s an end and there is a learning, but use your situation as fuel to do things that you maybe wouldn’t consider doing before like. I think that’s probably one of the things that drew you to breakfast, Club. Not that you’re looking at different job, search groups and untrue, you were I was going to as many as I can go. Job Is at here. You’re in a situation where you know. If you don’t continue doing something than you. You get what you get as my wife says you don’t throw a fit for. You, don’t you? Don’t put something in you. Don’t get anything out. That’s a great memory. I think about our frankly on who actually was the one that put me in touch with you to get involved with breakfast club. And it gave me an opportunity to get back into leading something because I had come out of the leadership role, it got me back into taking the steps of working with people and helping them and leading them through whatever processes. It totally changed my perspective, doing something for other people became. The reason for me to get up at that morning. It was your turns. Able Yeah. Oxygen, so that somebody to take away from this, even though you may have anxiety in doubt and fear, and an uncertain t that doing something for someone else will yield positive results for you I know we were going to mention. Sit Not being able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Doing something for other people can be the light in the tunnel. You’re not looking at the end of the tunnel yet. You haven’t turned that corner, but it turns out the light. It can make a huge difference by just getting involved in something that is not. Job Related. It’s just getting up and doing something for other people. Yeah, the category, the never ending job search sometimes that doubt. that things just won’t get better I think some of us that have suffered a reduction in force. Understand that right, we understand the doubt that comes with that. I also know that you can retrain your mind to say that every time I’ve had that situation I’ve gotten something better and for me.
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That’s true now better means different things in each one of those situations sure and it may, it may be something you want it. That’s better. It may be something you haven’t considered. That is better, but it’s better than you expected. I think that’s a perfect and one of the ways you overcome. Doubt is looking for that. You look for what was better out of that situation while I’m no longer at this company. I don’t have to deal with that a hole in in. In Finance or or whatever you know. Or the toxic right whatever that is, it’s like if you start looking seeking out these positive things in a bad situation. That’s when you Kinda. Doubt and you’re able to do things that you didn’t think were possible now. We also made out that anyone is hiring today. I hear this a lot that you know. We have the pandemic and all the unrest, and all these people laying off and is done employment in forever right when you start hearing the headlines you start thinking. Wow, is anyone hiring of the answer is yes. Everybody’s I always assume right. My mindset mindset is everybody’s hiring, so if I think that that I know there’s opportunity especially at companies I’d. I’d love to work for so much of what we talk about. Really is nothing more than a mind game. It’s dealing with what’s going on between your own ears. So if that’s what gets, you started the idea of everybody’s hiring. Do it tell yourself everybody’s hiring. The point is most of the time. It’s true even if they don’t have an open position that they’ve posted on indeed, there are many companies out there that can hire you if you get in front of them. The challenge is getting in front of them. But. It doesn’t mean that they’re not hiring and that’s always been. The challenge has got is getting in front of the right people the right company at the right time. Is always been the challenge. And if you are getting in front of the right people at the right company, and it’s the wrong time, the right time is coming. Don’t burn the bridge. Do stay in touch all the things that we’ve been telling you in other podcasts. Build that relationship because when that time comes up, they will think of you and if they don’t then. If you’re regularly keeping in touch with them, you will remind them what it does. Scott is an actually put you in a position of strength, because now I showed up early to an opportunity that not maybe not exist right now. in the reason that’s important is because the relationship has preceded the opportunities, and now you have things in the right order of operations. Meaning I’m not reaching out to somebody after something’s posted, and now I’m reacting, and what kind of reputation of I developed, and now it got the order of operations all wrong and the likelihood of me getting that opportunity has diminished I. think that’s absolutely right building the relationship. I is always going to help you. The other thing I hear. Is I doubt I doubt such and such company is hiring because they have a hiring freeze on, and that may be true. I’ve I’ve talked to people just within the HR world that there has been a moratorium on hiring that does not mean they’re not looking for you. It means that they may not be allowed to hire you in the way that they would normally want to or the using the their standard processes. I will say that even in a hiring freeze some organizations when there is when they haven’t need that, you can fill can get around that rule. Don’t not do your search because the company has a freeze, find someone inside that you can talk to about what the situation is now and whether or not you can do informational interview. Yes, just to find out what’s going on inside I I’m reminded of rich Lamotte who who wanted to work at Nike and when he wanted to work at ninety. Guess what they’re hiring hiring freeze, but as soon as a hiring freeze was lifted. When did he have? He had the reputation the other. He had the connections he’d have. We’ve mentioned him on a prior podcast so if you haven’t heard his name, it’s because you haven’t listened to the PODCASTS. What struck me about his story so profoundly? That when he was interviewing for the job, he got I believe it was for the one that he he landed. They thought he was already working. Because He. He spent so much time there on the campus. He was there all the time or often enough that they thought he was already employed. So if you’re looking at a company, especially a large company that’s well Silo D- that can happen to you as well, but don’t not reach out to them because you’ve heard.
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They have a hiring freeze. Bad Economic Times are still good times to get hired and that’s exactly. Exactly, the time you want to reach out to somebody, because then you’re not, you don’t have a veiled request right right? You don’t have that elephant in the corner called job It’s more organic conversation and actually works better for you sure, and if you’re opposed or at least resistant or hesitant to network, this should be good news for you because you don’t have to talk about the job in the corner I. I also think about those who are employed and are doubting their ability to get into the better role or the better company, or whatever that is now working going to help you there, too, because if you’re in a role where there are others at other companies in your same type of role and their networking organizations that already exist for that whether it’s sales research, they’re all out. Yeah HR there if there is A. A National Association get to that Association and start networking with your peers in other companies because you can talk about all the things that your current company is doing without giving any indication that you’re looking to get away, you can have those conversations where it is not the threat and people will see you in that nonthreatening way the idea when you ask someone if they know of any jobs. We all WANNA help. Instead. If you’re going with the idea of just, you’re working on something and you’re looking for information advice. It takes the pressure off the person that you’re talking to. We’re in a position to get promoted than hiring freeze comes in then maybe some of these external forces with the pandemic. Come in, and you stop all of your activity that position you for that promotion thinking it’s never going to happen right I. Doubt This will ever happen for me because of all these different things, so you’re not insulated whether you’re working or not. Just because you have job doesn’t mean you’re not going to be considered for a promotion in fact I. I can encourage I can encourage even more that just about every organization is not going to be the same once. This thing has processed good. They’re going to have to reorganize. They’re going to have to have new people hired. Why because they haven’t been hiring people that worked in go away. It might still be there and it might just be delivered or donning the white done in a different way to think there aren’t opportunities in your company means that you’re oblivious to reality one of the points I absolutely agree with you if you’re considering working for a company that is currently badly impacted by the pandemic or any of these. These other reasons and that they’ve had to furlough people when they come back their new self, they’re going to need people probably with new skills as well so if you are that person with a different skill set than the people that they had to let go. That may put you at the head of the line. Don’t ignore that possibility as well the more time you spend on the inside, talking to people about what’s going on in their organizations, the better your going to be prepared for presenting yourself as that person that they need. The process is set up properly with the relationship I and I will give you the same advice, folks. Folks that I’m giving to most of the leaders that I’m interacting right now whenever you’re in a pandemic or a crisis or things are uncertain, you need more communication, not less communication and in a job search or in a process where you’re trying to establish relationship during this time where we’re all remote, that means I need to communicate more through different methods that I may not comfortable with right to get what I want, do more communication and be alert and cautious. When you work from absolutes. We mentioned that so anything like never always these absolutes are going to trip you up and put you in a this all or none mentality. Just is not helpful in getting you to the next level in your career as those self-doubt start to to get the better of you, there are things you can do. We’ve talked about especially getting out of your own head. I’d say that’s probably your first step. So when you hear those absolute start to come in, that should be a cautionary flag for you. I need to get out of my head from it. Let that be your tool. The moment you sale I’m never going to okay time out. There should be like a referee inside your mind. That gray’s of whistle says Yo timeout I know I have to do that. Occasionally self-doubt, it’s normal. Overcoming self doubt is not the same as eliminating self-doubt, and it’s learning how to deal with it. Not Try to ignore it. And one of the resources you might consider actually that I hadn’t thought of is I.
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Show Notes “Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt
Don’t miss these Topics: * Can’t eliminate fear, can only manage it. * pros and cons review action and non-action alternatives * getting out of your own head by helping others get out of theirs * thinking about the things you fear on paper * turning fear into self-advocacy * reaching to outside resources like a coach, therapist, or EAP. * Understanding conflict and gaining new perspectives * Role reversal technique: would you help others if in the same situation? * Turn to the people who care about you * Baby Steps * ACRONYM: False Evidence Appearing Real * build self confidence and safety through considering all the alternatives * identify fear and mitigate its impact * what are your decisions based on and are they helping you? * process of letting go and trying NEW things * making proactive decisions
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Welcome to Job Seekers Radio I’m Andrew. I’m Scott this production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to fight great careers faster, and that’s whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation e book. It’s a free resources you can download at job. Seekers radio DOT COM in today’s show. We’re talking about making career decisions without fear. Now I don’t know if you’re ever goes away. No, it’s an. It’s a manageable thing maybe depending on. Yeah. and. Really we brought this to the four because of a lot of things that are going on, not only in our our lives, maybe or even in our coaching interactions, but also in just in the world in society. In general, we’re dealing with a pandemic. We have the black lives matter movement. We have a lot of political unrest going on just within the United States, not to mention what’s going on around the world. There’s a lot going on that. Can create fear and so we’re just going to talk about career in the job search and again. That’s whether you’re working or not. Fear is involved. Regardless of where you are it, it’s one of those things where you might even feel like. Is it really fear or is there some other emotional feeling? It’s great to explore that and that’s basically where we’re going to go and we acknowledge. Right Scott that outside influences can either fuel or Exacerbate your fear. So we’re not gonNA cover that part of it, but we acknowledged that that exists we’re talking about. Is it possible? Is it possible to make career decisions without fear? Yeah I. Remember I’m going to paraphrase probably badly, but I believe I know it was an army general that said it. I believe it was pat that made the comment that fear. Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to act well in spite of it and again that’s probably a poor paraphrase, but you get the just, and I like to come back to that thought whenever I am looking at something that is triggering fear in me. Is that if I can make progress? However, small that progress is if I’m still moving in the right direction. It’s still progress can I do that while managing my fear, and that’s really what works for me, the idea of managing it not getting rid of it. You can’t I can’t i. in fact I read an article not too long ago. That suggested that those who actually do act without any. That’s a disorder so. That helps me feel better about managing my fears well when I first heard that question I was like well. Maybe maybe you can manage these career decisions without herb. Maybe not it really just depends on your perspective absolutely, and now if you look at it from a position of being employed in you have assets in the bank, and all these different things, then you’ve built up really a fortress of protection where making decisions is a little bit easier because you’re not fearful of what may happen. So really. It just depends on each person’s perspective. In how you process these different things you might be thinking about. That’s a really good point that if you’ve got a lot of different options whether that’s through planning or any other thing, you know you’ve got the money in the bank you. You’re now living with your. Boyfriend or girlfriend suddenly this. It’s not just your income. All of these things are different ways of coming back to that. What are my options? What it? Where is my fortress? That’s a good idea. And letting go of one thing for another is something I kept. Thinking about is that Hey, I’ve invested my time. My energy my skills. In this place that I’m out or just come from. Can It really let go of that and grab something else in there? Some fear there? Because guess what there’s change anytime, there’s change there’s fear and anxiety and disruption, and you go through these different cycles, and some of it also might be job search related right I look at job. Search and I used to do job search this way, and now I need to let go of that and try a different way, so we really advocate the networking piece. That’s why we give people. The Anatomy of networking conversation e-book is to give them the tools to be successful in doing something different. So that means hey, maybe I have to let go a little bit of what I think. Job Search should be and try something that’s different at to move forward so let go of one thing and going to another sometimes can create fear, but it also creates opportunity possibility shirt, right? It’s all based on perspective.
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You remind me of an Oprah Winfrey quote that a friend told me I I can’t quote her specifically, and it was many years ago, but the idea is. She was talking about money and making money and bringing money into your life the. The concept was you are holding on to the money that you have so tightly that your hands are closed. They are not open to accept more this I think applies in the idea. When you you have to let go of something. If you’re going to grab something new, you don’t really have a choice. So what does that look like coming back to managing the fear? Don’t let go of the thing that’s keeping you alive, but you like other things that are just nice to have right I was talking to somebody recently, who didn’t want to give up his. starbucks that he would go every afternoon to get his tea iced coffee, and just this was a tradition that he’d been doing for many years now, and it’s just. It’s what kept him feeling grounded and life continues so because I can count on getting this, and without addressing the fact that he is spending. How much money every week on coffee! It’s like you’ve got a an expresso machine at home. Make, you’ll save money? But he he didn’t want to let go of the the cocoon comfort that that routine brought him. Okay, it’s a decision fine now. Don’t complain too hard about not having an extra fifty dollars a week, but I mean who knows what comes after complacency, but maybe. Adversity because I think if you stand still for too long something, something’s GonNa Knock. You over. So here’s the thing is that he found that thing and hugh hooked onto it in that brought him safety and that so that I think that’s natural for all of us to be seeking some degree of safety or comfort now if we don’t have it somewhere else. And that is within his control, and really. If we’re talking about control in fear, they’re kind of. Two sides of the same coin sometimes is that that that which you don’t control creates fears, alright and right, and yet. What are you really control? We’re GONNA. Talk about that actually on a future episode, but I think part. This is really deciding what it is. That seems so fearful, yes, and seeing how to mitigate or manage that. Interesting timing I woke up this morning from a dream. Truly was I ended. No. No A networking colleague friend of mine was in it interestingly and we to try and make it very short. We were sneaking into his friends building. His friend had the PENTHOUSE in a high rise, and we were going to camp out on rooftop, which was against the rules, and so for some reason we were taking a back door to get up to his friends penthouse, but the back door, the back stairwell and and elevators didn’t open into his this this penthouse you had to go outside on an eight inch ledge to then walk at the top of the building, bright walk into over to his friends. A penthouse and his kids are in there. I can see them through a window. They’re playing. My friend went in. He didn’t have any problem walking on this eight inch ledge, however, many hundred feet above the air above the ground he walked in, and it’s like I have a phobia. Falling I cannot do this. And by the end of the dream I came to the decision. That I am not going to try I’m not doing this because I’m going to honor this feeling in myself. I’m not going to do that. I will find something else to do so here. We get to the point. Let’s say you are the type where you simply are too afraid to go to that networking event. Don’t. Don’t kill yourself. Or get into that existential fear. If that’s where you’re gonNA. Go find other ways because it’s finding the alternatives that is going to build your self confidence, so the idea of. Am I going to be uncomfortable. Will by all means jump into that you’ll learn how to get comfortable. Are you going to be gripped with terror? Maybe you don’t want to do that. And, that’s okay. Baby steps. Yeah, it’s like that movie. What about Bob Have you seen that now? I haven’t been steps out the door baby steps.
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Now I have a vote. It’s a great movie. You should see what about Bob. I’ll put that in the in the show. Like to see that. Sometimes, they think of fear. You can think of fear as an acronym and many people call it false evidence appearing real, yes, and what that means mentioned that in an earlier. I’m sure that we have. And it bears repeating in in the current time. It’s hard to find peace anywhere today. Yeah, other than my backyard. And I love doing. Yard therapy. I Love Garden therapy myself. You and I are on the same. It’s there. But you’re right. Doing things that that scare you I think is different than things terrify you. Yes, because there could be something that scares you, but you’re using that maybe as a mild excuse not to do anything, but then there may truly be something that terrifies you like walking on an eight inch ledge. You know however many stories that sky. And and you’re right. However, there’s always a baby step. That’s why I brought up. What about Bob? There’s always a baby steps you could take. Yes, what is one small step by could take to get more comfortable with networking? Maybe that’s downloading the anatomy of a networking conversation. Maybe that’s just practicing with a trusted friend yeah. I don’t know what that looks like I mean we can’t go to starbucks and tap somebody on the shoulder anymore. That’d be a little weird. But I think about a conversation. I was having with someone who really were they said Oh. I can’t ask my family to do that. Why had not if if you’re with people who truly care about you? They will probably say oh, by all means, please. Practice makes perfect I. don’t care who you practice with I. don’t care if it’s the dog practice. There isn’t anyone who cares about you that you cannot go to. If you cannot go to them. They don’t care enough about you. Put that where it belongs right, but turn to the people who do care about you because they will I promise you. They will work with you on. This is more important to get the practice going. For those of you, that may find that difficult and still challenging I always flip it around right if the roles were reversed. From a hundred eighty degree perspective and someone came to you for help, would you? Would you say us? Yeah? And what would you do and how would you help? Yeah, right, so you’d walk through the steps. Okay, so then you doing the same thing for that other person or to that without the person makes a whole lot of sense. Doesn’t it right? I had that same conversation with a number of people? And that’s okay. One of the things conflict coaching that we talk about as the main idea of dealing with conflict is to gain another perspective, and there’s a lot of guessing and making suctions and everything to gain that perspective, but the idea isn’t to suddenly let go of the conflict it’s. How do you manage that? We yourself because that’s where conflict conflict really exists. If you have actually done something about it. You know you have. Responded to that person review retaliated. You’ve done something to make them upset. Now you’re into dispute separate process. Gaining another perspective is going to help you, and so if that’s what would you do to help the other person? They came to you with the same idea. What would they say? How would you respond? If. They said to you what you said to me. How would you tell that other person? Listen to your own advice. Well, it having not everybody is self directed that way. Of course. That’s why this podcast exists, so you can get that perspectives and maybe tried out, but some people may need to leverage resources, and whether that’s through a friend or family members kind of the low bar. If you will the safe space to start, these things other people may need outside help from say a coach like. US or Some sort of career job, catcher, counselor, or e AP, or whatever yeah, I would say first of all if you are currently working and you have your working for a company that has an employee assistance program. They often have counselors. Counselors will be able to give you some job coaching as well as personal coaching. And the company pays for that that that is available to you. If you can’t afford a coach well, if you can’t afford a coach, please. Hire a coach because they probably if they’re charging. They’re probably experienced enough to be able to help now. You have to go through some with them. therocess. See if they’re going to be helpful to you, but with that said I do recommend hiring someone if you have the wherewithal to do so if you cannot.
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There are a number of places that offer sliding scales, and if you seriously, if you have zero money, which especially during this pandemic, there are people who have gone through all their resources. Trust me had been there. I feel for you. There are services out there where it’s unending scale, and if that means zero, you pay zero talk to someone. Find someone the end and there are a. it’s a quick Google search in your area, and because people will do this over the phone. These resources are available. Do your research and that that same research is valid even though EA. The Police Assistance Program is free software company, but it’s free. Using employee doesn’t mean you shouldn’t still do your your vetting or your research, and and you know what I found is just doing that research in explaining my situation, too many people to see if there’s a fit I actually get a resolution. As you’ve talked us. Talk to your four or five times. What these different people and you’re like I’m good. I feel better now. If you’re looking for a specific outcome, great five conversations with different coaches, you made realize what outcome you actually want and then can start working towards that that’s great. If you’re also like a I, can’t think of his name and he didn’t know what he wanted to do. Okay, that’s a different question, so you don’t know what outcome you want. Let’s talk about what you’re actually interested in doing because if you. If you don’t know what you’re going to make at the end of this cooking session. Anybody’s guess which agreements are going to work for you right often. I see people that I coach always look at the end right there. Looking at the end before they’ve seen the beginning and the challenge with that is if you, if the end is a moving target, and it’s moving around with every job posting. You’re seeing you don’t know what the end is trying to. Get, you have what’s called entity crisis. Yeah, now that’s a great point and part of that is just looking past your fear and saying okay, this is what I love to do, and that’s more like self, advocacy and say. Hey. I have permission to be happy. I have permission to do things I. Enjoy I have permission. It’s your life your career. You get to choose what you WANNA do. Now that, said once you choose what you WANNA. Do make sure you advocate for it, and that’s what we’re talking about with the networking and. That’s something that has helped me overcome. Fear personally is saying this is what I enjoy doing, and if it’s something that’s strong enough. There’s nothing GonNa stop me. You. Know what I mean I. Do and I you. You reminded me of someone that I’ve been talking to recently who? Has a great deal of skill. He’s got great experience. He’s a musician great experience. As a teacher, a middle school music teacher, and for whatever reason he left that job and to make money, he took a job in financial services well, he doesn’t feel very strongly about financial services. He in fact doesn’t really enjoy the job and he’s. He’s told me recently. He’s been kicking himself for taking the job in the first place because it doesn’t align with his personal values, it was decent money and provided a regular paycheck, and he’s been there for like five years five years in a job. He doesn’t like it well. The the work itself he likes because it helps people, and that’s really what he’s about is helping people and helping them. What I really appreciate about him and why we become good friends is he keeps telling me you. Do you don’t fit into somebody? Else’s idea what you’re supposed to be you, do you? And that’s his his goto phrase you, do you be you one of the other and so here? He is giving the advice of Ugo. Be You go, do you and yet? He’s not. And When he finally admitted to me that he’s got six months of income in the bank, he could be without work. For six months? He is in a relationship. He is not the only is. In the household. And he said to me one of his fears is, he has a chronic health condition. He needs the insurance and I asked him well. Have you used the obamacare for lack of a better ACC? Yes, thank you. I asked him. Have you used the benefits in the past? Well, no, okay well, they are available to you. There are a range of different programs you can get on, and of course they they have different prices.
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You have a spouse or another person. You might be able. That’s a qualifying event short. Get on their their insurance. The difficulty though is that he he has very specific needs that may or may not be covered irrespective of a pre existing condition what he uses. He uses equipment that may not be covered by all insurance. Okay, that’s great that that is a reasonable fear. He also told me that on July third. He’s going to have his next health checkup. Where every all the prescriptions and everything else that he needs will be taken care of and I told him. If you don’t tell me the following Monday that you’ve tended your resignation, I’m going to ask you why because you have all the resources available to you and you have skills that are going to be needed again just within a few months, so you probably won’t go that whole time without work waiting to say and if you can teach music remotely. Yeah, he’s amazing I. Know Him through. E learning authoring and other Internet based work. There isn’t anything he can’t do in things that drive him. So here were overcoming a fear of reasonable fear. But you have the resources set up. It comes back to what you mentioned at the beginning. He established a fortress. Avail yourself of it. Take advantage of that. Well I mean that’s a good point. If you have some sort of extenuating circumstance, your false evidence, appearing real is that you will, you will not have access to any of that stuff. When you leave someplace else, you can go procure it on the open market right, and it just may be a little more expensive right, but it’s not as expensive as Cobra Right which and that’s where his fear was base because when he was when he left teaching Gig. He paid for Cobra with insanely expensive. Anybody who pays for it it well that that doesn’t transition to something else I very soon afterwards I. It was crazy. I did years ago one of my layoffs and I. I let it lapse because I couldn’t afford it. Yeah, well, in spite of the fear, I think one of the more practical things that we can do is think about these things on paper. Look at the pros and cons just lay everything out and and see with the logical. That’s hard for some people, especially if they’re feeling type people to see the logical solution, right or the logical next step with that’s where conversation with other people comes in I. I’m one of those I feel my decisions I if I don’t believe in it, I don’t make that decision if I do make the decision. Even when the logic wasn’t a part of it I I admit that hopefully I have the sense to talk to my logically minded friends, because they’re the ones that come back and say. Did you consider this? What is going to be the outcome of that? And they helped me see the logic so that we had a mini coaching session right before. Before the podcast at seriously, and this is one of the things that networking can do for us now it’s it’s a little different in the zoom world anymore. With the pandemic going on and people are staying socially distant. We’re doing everything on online, but you still have the ability to get. Those other perspectives staten. That can help ground you when you need that especially, if you’re dealing with fear well, if the fear is coming from the outside world like that from pandemic and black lives of whatever you know, all those things are valid right almost. Conversation. Right what we need is more conversation, not less right and we can’t. We can’t use this as an excuse not to reach out and have a conversation with somebody. I’m thinking even right now. Somebody I should probably write their name named L. Because I needed to contact them because they’re not. They’re not in the healthy place, right and what they needed somebody to reach out to them to maybe calm their fears, not not do deal with their fused just calm. Those fears a little. One of the things that you just triggered, my head was the idea of carrying the way to the world on your shoulders. I didn’t mean to trigger you by the way. Don’t don’t turn me into human resources. To wait a minute you. But It’s true many especially those who who have a great deal of empathy we carried away to the world on our shoulders, and were were getting in our own way so again, getting other perspectives, talking to other people about their situations is a really good way to start looking things a little more objectively. Another idea that I ran across before we got together today. Today was the idea of doing things for other people, and it really is about getting out of your own head, and getting into helping others get out of their heads, and it’s really interesting how that can turn your own thinking around just by involving yourself with other people, and and if if this current day and age hasn’t shown US something is that? Maybe we’ve been a little too selfish.
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A little low empathy, and we should demonstrate to others more compassion, right and help them by getting groceries, or you know if if they need their lawn cut and they can’t physically do it. Go do that for them. So sure There’s lots of things that we all can do, and you can probably think listener right now. There’s there’s people that have basic needs right now that you could fill, but really it’s taking inventory. What is your? What is your head space? Look like today and what consuming most of that space and. Once you acknowledge it and can see it. You can work with it I I think about conversation I had with one of my kids when she was still in middle school. And the idea of there is no truth that I cannot handle. Because if it’s true, I know where to start or at least I know what I need to be working toward in this case. If you’re looking for a job, okay with that. If, you’re clear on what that job needs to be. Keep working towards that. Networking is our primary recommendation that there are other things that we can do when my head space is now filled up with whatever’s happening in the world. Your idea getting it on paper. Maybe that’s typing and onto your computer screen. Whatever works for you getting out of your head onto? Something else can really helped to focus the mind. It also helps you to stop thinking about all the other things that you’re reading on social media or whatever if you’re like me where you you go to social media to connect with your friends, and then you start getting upset because of all the things that posting don’t go to social media, right or connect with that friend in a different way. Come on right is that? Anyway brought me back to something I read a number of years ago. About someone who was saying, call me you send him a text message. They respond with. Call me you leave a voicemail voicemail. They’re not going to leave another voicemail for you. Other than say call me and they are forcing their friends to actually talk and I would recommend that. Don’t text people don’t send emails to people. Talk to people, so if you are overwhelmed if you’re fearful, whatever it is talk to people because it makes a difference in how you process thinking sometimes fear. Is You not wanting to take a risk in there certainly is risk, but there’s also reward is, so we talked earlier about. The reason I bring up is that people are often fearful because they think they’re taking a risk in your mind can play tricks on you. That’s Oh. That’s a risk. But, then you don’t get the reward either. One of the things in coaching practice that we talk about is look at the pros and cons. Everything has a risk doing nothing has risks sometimes doing nothing is the right thing to do. Because the risk of doing something are greater time not sure that that’s always true right? Look at the pros and cons figure out what your alternatives are. What are the pros and cons? What are the pros and cons for others who are involved in the conversation? And then you have a more logical rational way of looking at what those risks are because if it turns out that change actually provides less risk than staying the same. It’s easier to make the change. That’s a change management tool and change management is something you can keep for the rest of your career. Absolutely everybody should be working on learning right. Learning is a key skill in today’s marketplace, my opinion of course. That’s borne out right. Leadership is a key skill in today’s marketplace, right? And continual learning is the best way to become a leader, but right now you gotta talk through all this philosophies, but we’re just trying to give the listener here a perspective. On only how we’re aligned in our philosophies on a lot of these things, and that part of this process is finding people you trust that share your values so that you have less fear Yup, well that does it for this episode of Job Seekers Radio you can find all the show notes and the resources jobseeker’s radio DOT com forward slash zero eight zero and don’t forget. You can download the free resource anatomy of a networking conversation e-book along with companion audio.
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Show Notes Authenticity is a characteristic that can often go out the window when looking for work. In the harried and eager interest to meet the employer’s needs and expectations, the job seeker can lose themselves.
Andrew and Scott share strategies and tactics on how to be genuine and stand up for the strengths that job seekers bring to a role.
Don’t miss these Topics: * Being “you” in a job search focused on your strengths. * Mindset of truth to yourself over pretending to be something you aren’t. * Balancing financial needs and job satisfaction. * Holding desperation at arms length. * Complete assessments to get more clarity and access a professional to help you identify your strengths. * Increasing the satisfaction in your job. * Nothing Lasts Forever. * Stand up for your strengths in the interview. * Reinvent yourself to something you want. * Consider a vanity project that makes you feel good.
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welcome to job seekers radio. I’m Andrew and I’m Scott. This production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to find great careers. Faster whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. It’s an e book and a free resource that you can download at Jobseeker’s radio DOT COM in today’s show. We’re talking about the art of being you in job. Search one of my favorite phrases that A colleague of mine says to me all the time. Is You be you? I’m sure most of us have heard that phrase did that come with the snap. No he he means it really very sincerely you can snap yes. Of course. He’s he really means it. He wants people to be as authentic as possible. Because it’s in learning. Who People really are that. We can then leverage their strengths. And that’s one of his themes in his career is to to work with your strengths. When you’re looking for something better at in a job search of any kind often feel like you have to change who you are to meet somebody else’s expectation you have to Discount your strength. Sometimes because you feel like they may not be valid. And that’s often what happens in people that I work with have been laid off from somewhere. They felt like they’ve been rejected. They’re going into a situation. Where Jeez the stuff that I did must not be valuable so I need to reinvent myself and that might be true. You may want to reinvent yourself but if that’s your choice great it may be but it isn’t necessarily the truth and there’s that element of well if this didn’t work anymore then now. I have to fake it and and we hear this all the time. Fake it till you make it well that works but is it really sending the messages. You want to send if the message doesn’t matter and you’re faking it because you are learning how to do it better. That’s definitely add approach can take. I don’t discount that at all to your point if I suddenly feel like I have to change who I am in order to now be acceptable. That kind of faking. It is probably going to either backfire on you or it’s not going to work at all people that are looking at indeed dot com or the job postings at a company They look at that job posting. Oh I can do that. I can do that. I can do this too and look at all these things that they can do without. I saying Is that really what I want to do? I really want to do that. Because if we look at everything based on just a capability model where we’re checking all the boxes. We may end up. Disatisfied I don’t know that that’s a natural approach you know not to mention there’s opportunities where you know what? I can’t do that and I should probably take that job because I don’t have a choice. If you don’t have the ability or capacity financially or otherwise to say no yeah that that may be something to consider and don’t discount the validity of that situation for those who are in it because if you’re really feeling desperate because you’re out of money or you’re going to lose your home or whatever that that is those are very real concerns and I don’t want people to feel like we’re discounting that in in any fashion. There is still the sense of doing the things that bring you something that brings some enjoyment that keep you going and often those who are associated with our strengths. As we’re looking at that we we think about ourselves. What is it that I’m good at going through that list? Oh Yeah I could do all these things. Would I enjoy doing them? In this scenario if there are things from my past what I enjoy doing them again bringing those skills back to the four answer is yes then by all means you know. Apply talk to them about that if you can get the interview. That’s great if the answer is I would go back to do those things because I’m starting to feel desperate okay. There’s a different approach that I would recommend than simply applying and trying to be somebody that you no longer are because that will be detrimental to you in the long run. Not Everybody is one hundred percent clear on their strengths or even what they look like or even how to communicate that to other people. We always recommend you look at some assessments but you can do a self reflective exercise just to remember the things that you enjoy you bring up a really good point is something that I want to suggest to our listeners. If you’re going to do one of these assessments and I’m thinking for example strengths finder. It’s one that I’ve used like it. It uncovers where an individual’s strengths may be.
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It’s providing suggestions and I really liked to set up a that. This book offers however getting the Book and getting it the report and just applying what it says about US specifically from the assessment in the book probably not enough I would recommend seeking out someone who is either certified as a trainer in that assessment or at least somebody with a lot of experience in using it in the workplace to get a bigger perspective other than what you’ve just glean from reading a book because it is going to be a little bit different for you than it was for the author so exactly what is written in the report or in the book is going to need to be more a little bit for it to be truly effective for you so I would recommend talking to those of us who are trained in. This can help you find the way to adapt it looking at things that whether it’s one of those assessments or other activities that bring you energy that that really give you a morale boost. It is vital. You’re doing these things so that you don’t wear yourself into the ground and then wonder why you don’t have any energy the morale come from remembering that you did something you did it. Well guess what you probably got paid too and so it’s having those three components thinking. Yeah I did the thing. I enjoyed it and they paid me to do that. It was crazy and it may not have been one hundred percent of your job. But how do you increase the percentage of that in your in your work well and we just had the conversation about things? Not Being Permanent. You know. Your unemployment situation isn’t going to last forever. Your poor employment situation is going to last forever. You’re really good. Employment Situation isn’t going to last forever. The idea then is if you’re continuing to do things that bring you energy. You’re going to keep those strengths sharp. Hopefully you’re always working on projects to keep your skill set at the cutting edge however you wanted to define it up to date if you are in a situation where you have done these things and you did them really well and it felt really good. If your unemployment situation isn’t going to last forever please keep doing the things you love doing because people will see that and hopefully hire you to do it again. It also would directly relate to your capacity to be resilient search. If you’re seeking all the things that you enjoy and are good. At and often we see people fall down the networking or even doing the applications or or even. Their interview is so jaded because they’re looking at all these things that they can do. And that’s what the job requires but they’re not inspired by it Enthused to go into that situation Going to impact your your capability or you’re at least your ability to present yourself positively in the marketplace. The reason we encourage you to take a look at these things you’ve done that you enjoy is because that becomes part of who you are and that’s what you’d present to people and when you do the interesting thing is people can feel it. It feels different when you present that to some sure. So look at those strengths. Lean into those strengths and communicate those strengths because often. That’s what people want. There’s also we’ve talked about this to the idea that when you’re talking about something that brings you passionate results right that you’re really excited about the do. Well you speak differently. You come alive you light up. Whatever phrase the person may use they are now seeing you in your best light that gives you the impression of confidence and that is what attracts people to you. I I think about the conversations. People have whether it’s a political presentation you’re at some conference or whatever and somebody gets up to speak whatever that may be a rally it’s true on the corporate side as well when someone gets up to speak and they have that sense of being alive and passionate about what they’re talking about and they are confident people are drawn to that. So if you’re working on things that bring you that kind of energy and people are seeing you talking about it and they need something along those lines. You’re far more likely to get the next conversation if you want to reinvent yourself. That’s great I think that that can be very healthy. It can be very rewarding. Don’t feel you have to in order to be somebody that you’re not because that disconnect is actually going to be visible as well. You’re not going to have the same sense of confidence or the same sense of of getting lit up by. You’re going to come across differently and it’s really easy to forget that you did those things and it was fun. It was positive. Sometimes you feel like you don’t have permission to feel that way and if you’ve been in job search long enough and taken enough you know knocks to the Chin you know You know you start thinking okay.
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Well jeeze maybe I should do is just put in applications. There’s no sense to this. Whole thing anyways. Why should I care? Well you don’t care. Why should anybody else? That’s so you should really not lean that Reggia in remembering and re presenting and taking a look at those successes over and over again and then when you go to interview. Stand up for yourself advocate for this thing that you enjoy doing and often if they need that thing. They’re going to hire you to do it absolutely for those of our listeners. Who are really feeling down that they just are to beat up to make that kind of progress her to to stand up for themselves. I implore you to talk to people who will then help build you back up because you do bring value to the table. Your perspective is unique and someone needs now that sounds like a platitude but there is truth to that and if you need to go to the show notes to find out how to contact. Us contact us. We will help you with that. Because we know the value that unique perspectives bring to the workplace? And you just haven’t found it yet that that’s not uncommon. Many people are there but it also brings a bit of accountability back to you. Decide what you want what you want to do. Andrew you and I were talking about the the idea of a vanity project and some things that I’m currently working on. Are these really just vanity projects that make me feel good? What if they are they make me feel good? It’s worth doing even though I haven’t had necessarily the outcome of landing the next client in whom that ability or that activity may be part of what they do. I’m I’m really charged up because as I work on this it’s starting conversations with other people who are of a like mind who are looking for the same kinds of results and now this feels good so it keeps me going. This is what happens in job. Search the longer it takes to find the right job the more you need these things that bring you that sense of joy and that’s why we talk about always have a project in mind right something. It gives you something to talk about other than I’m looking for a job and really. The focused objective should have a number of components in is not all inclusive. But I would definitely be saying. This is the kind of work I want to do. This is the kind of organization I WANNA be in and then put name on that so for example I just need a Job. Is any focused objective. No it’s a generality at best sure and so be more specific. I’d love to be a director of learning and development for sportswear manufacturer in Portland Oregon. Well I wonder how. Many of those could bio as a matter of fact a handful. There’s a of those Barlett. Where at the idea is okay now? Now that doesn’t mean that the objective can’t change. Of course it probably will but make sure you have something. That’s very focused until you pull on that thread long enough and hard enough and if there’s something at the end of it great Poland another thread you bring up a good point because I remember when I was in school. I wanted to go in a specific direction and I know this is true. A lot of people the deeper you get into it the more you realize that it’s not really a good fit if I forced myself to keep going. I’m not sure I would have been happy and I. My own daughter did the same sort of thing when she was going through school. She was working on her master’s degree thinking. She wanted to go into occupational therapy. She interned with an not and decided. This isn’t really the workout wanted to do. And then she got into the kind of work that she is absolutely passionate about and his wildly successful ad. She had a focused objective of what she wanted to but she was willing to change that focus to better suit her own style and strengths and she knocked it out of the partners. She learned. Yeah what she did is she tried on that pair of shoes. Whatever you WANNA call as your There’s don’t feel so good. Yeah right or they’re too tight or there’s a there’s not enough arch support whatever that looks like rates. Trying another pair of shoes. Yeah it’s okay you don’t have to have it all figured out. It’s just really helps. If you have a a focused objective c know what direction to go to pull on that thread until there’s nothing there Learn more about yourself and not uncommon that you go through this process and you identify all these strengths. But you really don’t know how to effectively communicate that to the outside right if you haven’t decided what you WanNa do in the first place. It’s going to be very difficult to communicate to other people what you can do for them. Even if the job you’re applying for isn’t exactly the way you have described what you want to do if it still hanging all the right things ringing all your bells okay.
00:15:14 – 00:20:06
How do you communicate that effectively and concisely to let people know what your focused objective is and how you perceive your ability to do these things again to have the confidence in that conversation? Because you’re not just reiterating your resume right. You’re not regurgitating something else and you’re not trying to be somebody you’re not you’re really coming back to all of the research and trying on that you have done. You are now being authentic. There is a an element of integrity. That people are really reading in You. This is I think the best way to approach your job search from the beginning and that can influence all of your marketing tools like Lincoln and resume even your branding statement introduction to people We encourage everybody to kind of steer away from a title at company which yes might be your objective. But it’s not something I would share in a brand new statement per se other than as a closing out item to get introductions other and we talk about that in the anatomy of a networking conversation e book which is a free download. By the way for everyone listening you can just go to job. Seekers. Radio DOT COM. You put in your email will email you a free. E Book couldn’t get any better than free of but the idea is if it’s not uncommon that even if you know your strengths is really hard to communicate them effectively and consistently right That’s where you might lean into a coach a job search buddy a mentor the local career center at Your Community College. Whatever is available to you I would lean into that so that you can get a better feel for how to communicate. Even toastmasters would place. Yeah to test your messages so that you can take what’s inside and get outside. There are all sorts of resources available. That either don’t have any cost at all or have minimal costs that are still worth the investment. You make a point though that I wanNa make sure we touch on. And that is you’ve got to stand up for yourself and you have to stand up for something. People have to want to follow what you’re talking about on some level now. That doesn’t mean that you have to get political or you have to stand up against anything. It’s really about knowing what you bring to the table. Understanding what those strengths are and what you want to do with them and assert of a sense that this is what. I’m going for because now people will be more likely to listen to what you think you’re going to do when you get there. And does that align with what they’re looking for and are you flexible in that to maybe bring that attitude or approach into the work that they have that they’re looking to hire and may be more that with you? Your your your strength is Is Your calling card. It’s it’s your competitive advantage. Yeah you WANNA be something to somebody rather than all things to all people when you stand up for yourself that might be based on whatever philosophies you have. If you’re a leader you should probably have a set of philosophies that you bring to the table. What are those philosophies? Khazei vary is many as there are stars in the sky. There’s leaders have different philosophies and you need to practice communicating bat. You may know what your philosophies are. But if you can’t communicate that concisely it’s not going to come across as effectively so I would recommend practice those statements. And what is the difference between a leader and a manager? I mean we go into all these different things but the idea is. If you’re not standing for something then you might as well stand for nothing. And that’s you kind of putting your own spin on what you bring to the table to that role at the interview so five in an interview. I’m not I’m not telling somebody here’s all the things I do to meet all the requirements that you have to identify where your strengths play in that role and say hey. This is what I bring to the table and you stick that up front and center in the interview and you stand on that now. That doesn’t mean that you’re telling them how they should be doing their work. And I’ve seen that happen tour. Where oh well you need to do this. And that and what they’re meaning is this is how I would approach it. But they actually say the words I. This just happened to me this just in the past week where someone was thinking. She was giving advice to she was talking to but instead yeah she was telling them. These are the things that you need to do. And these are the things that you need to avoid without taking into consideration that she was talking to people who had more experience doing these things than she had.
00:20:06 – 00:23:50
Be careful on on how you present that when you’re saying these are the things that I have to offer. And this is how I’ve offered in the past. These are some things I’d like to do a little differently. That’s a completely different conversation. I WanNa know more what we’re suggesting is if you go to an interview. Don’t prepare on how you can fit every single requirement. It’s that’s not a strategy. Well it is a strategy. But guess what is the strategy everybody’s using and if you don’t stand four yourself and your strengths right not what they wanna hear but what you have to offer in if it aligns with what they want. Then you’re at an advantage and if you have the sense to ask the questions early enough. What their pain points are and you can board that any way you like. But really one of their top priorities and filling this position. One of the first things that this position is going to be working on. You can actually tailor that conversation that because you know what you’re good at what where your strengths are and what you WANNA do. You can tailor your response to meet their needs as well as perhaps in the conversation uncover some needs. Maybe they don’t even know they have yet. What can I really can. I really talk about myself in that way. Wouldn’t that be you know kind of arrogant and self aggrandizing and won’t they think of kind of all about me? No that’s the purpose of the interview. Oh okay now how you come across it. It’s possible died tone of voice the way your messaging that it’s possible. That may come across that way so I would say practice with people who will give you candidate advice candid feedback on the way. You’re presenting Nancy. But with that said the interview. Is there for you to Your Own Horn? And if you’re the type that’s has oh. I don’t want to come across as being conceited and so I’m not GonNa talk about myself. That is the purpose of the interview. Be You when you go to the interview. Sometimes you try to mold yourself into what they want right so I need to change who I am at present myself in a way that attractive to all the things that they want to be like them rather than myself. What happens if you’re who you are and where your strengths are and how you can be passionate about this work? And suddenly they want to change what that job looks like because they like what they see. Wow were they really do that yes they do? Does that actually happen? Yes it does. It has actually happened for me. Well okay I’m in okay. Good so the idea here folks is. There’s only one you to just be you. You be you you be you. Thanks everybody we appreciate your time and attention here today. Everything that we’ve talked about you can read in the show notes are available at Jobseeker’s radio DOT COM forward slash zero seven nine. When you’re there we have a free resource and I like free. It’s called the anatomy of a networking conversation. It’s an e book that comes with companion audio really helps you is your networking conversations in a pragmatic way. That gets results. Also in the show notes as a link to itunes. You could just click there. If you’re on your little iphone right now and leave us a Rayton review. We’d really appreciate that it helps us. Spread the message about the podcast. While I’m Andrew and I’m Scott and in the words of Zig Ziglar Honesty and integrity are absolutely essential for success in life all areas of life. The really good news is that anyone can develop both honesty and integrity. Thanks everybody always tell the truth about you.
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Show Notes Job search can be a challenging and rewarding experience. When you learn new techniques and try them out, some may work others might not.
What happens when you get to the point when you have tried everything. Nothing seems to be working! Don’t miss this episode where Scott and Andrew discuss strategies to invigorate your search.
Don’t miss these Topics: * Taking in and evaluating the advice you are receiving. * What to do when everything you have tried doesn’t work. * Mindset and activities that can support or defeat your efforts.
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welcome to job seekers radio. I’m Andrew and I’m Scott. This production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support defined great careers faster. And that’s whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. It’s an e book a Free Resource. We have for you at job. Seekers radio DOT COM in today’s show. We’re talking about what happens when the advice runs out in your job search and it just doesn’t seem to be working you’re still out there looking haven’t found a job yet I think there was a recent situation that you had Scott. Yes other eager. Probably fill us in with one of your clients right. I was just having the conversation recently with somebody who is not complaining but expressing his frustration with the fact that he has been around the job seeking block for awhile now. He’s relatively new to the area but not new to his field and that industry is represented here in the Portland area. He’s talked to a lot of people. He is very well connected in the right places. He’s received a lot of advice from both of us from others and nothing has worked yet. He’s been working with Everything with from startups to established companies all sizes and shapes and nothing quite has worked out to give him a foothold. Right gainful employment right or at least the final set of interviews or a process. That looks exactly normal. He’s gotten close in a couple of situations but it’s it’s not anything that really has delivered anything even even a temporary contract position and I’ve been there a lot of what he was describing was stuff that I lived through during my years of unemployment. And so I. I had a great deal of compassion for him under these circumstances because he’s truly frustrated. He’s tried everything he is. At least his last job was at a higher level so we talked about the fact that there. Aren’t that many jobs in this metropolitan area on that level in the field and we talked about his efforts to branch out. He’s looking at at companies of different sizes. He has applied for jobs of at Lower Levels. And when he he is then asked why he’s applying for a lower position because he’s now over qualified and you can’t get a job when you’re overqualified which doesn’t really make any sense. Other than the fact that the a lot of companies are too afraid to hire someone that they’re then they feel they then have to replace. Because they’re gonNA move onto something else when I talked to. Hr PEOPLE WHO Express that fear. I also tell them well. What are the chances that they may be able to help your company move up within your company that would be a really great higher? Then there’s there’s fear in Balkh he’s been at this for a number of months. He’s in a situation where he has a family to support. And what do you do that? The one thing that I keep coming back to is keep going. And that’s really the the answer to the question keep going. Yeah and it’s nothing that we can’t work with and the challenge that a lot of people have is they come into a situation and they put a date out there. I don’t know if you’ve ever done this but I should have a new job by this date doing what I did where I came from. And now I’m putting all these undo Stresses on myself that are forced and and one of the things. We’re talking about. Today is the advice. Where is the advice coming from? It comes in different forms. How I process the advice and take an internalized. What’s good for me versus what’s actually worked for somebody else right well. You’re you’re mentioning the the stress. That comes with those deadlines at times. Those deadlines are real. I think of the guy that both of us know who was looking for an hr a learning and development position. Who has money was running out my give a date. At least where he had drawn the line in terms of his comfort zone and I have a friend down in Los Angeles who was in exactly the same situation where he was going into his long-term savings because his unemployment had lasted a lot longer. The expected there are times when that deadline is real. But it doesn’t mean that it’s always as hard as you think it might be one of the things during my unemployment. That resonated with me was the idea that nothing is permanent. And when you’re thinking when you’re at the bottom of the well so to speak that you feel like you fallen into when you got laid off or otherwise became unemployed.
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How how can you see the end when it feels so dark and deep and the fact is and it’s a fact nothing lasts forever? There is a day that you will be employed again and as difficult as it feels when you start telling yourself that. Wow I must be unemployable if I can’t get that job that’s not. The truth is just the story. We start to tell ourselves because we don’t have a better answer because everybody else’s so lucky where I they’ve found the job and I didn’t so there must be something wrong with me. Something wrong with the process or the activities. I’m participating in and all the advice that you give Should be considered a suggestion rather than. Hey this is something you ought to go. Do you know the only people I know do this. And are successful right. And that’s another thing that drives me crazy sometimes about these books that that people are selling. Oh this is the way to success. This is the only way right to success and even a dollar sign attached to it. Yes that’s the only way for reminds me of the story. We’ve heard years ago about send in one dollar for the advice on how to get rich and you put that advertising out to the whole world and if everybody sends you a dollar you become rich. That’s the point it sort of the same thing with these self. Help books that you read. You’ve got to take all of this stuff with a grain of salt because what they’re telling you is what worked for them and that’s great. If the advice you receive works for you. That’s great so now it works for two people. Maybe it works for ten people or maybe even a hundred people but it is never going work for everyone by the same token the advice. That doesn’t work for anybody. Hell I work. It will work for at least one person to your point. Used these suggestions if it’s something you have tried. And this was part of my conversation with another friend of mine who is currently employed but looking to get out of a toxic situation and not feeling like he’s getting any traction the idea is okay so something that maybe had a little bit of success for your showed some hope. What can you do that? It’s just slightly different following the same basic principles of the things that don’t work for you. Is there anything you can learn from that process that you’re going to take with you as you do something different so that you can then tell the story of what worked for you when it lands the point is you have to keep going in order to try something different right and that comes down to mindset we talk a lot about mindset here and what I’m hearing is hey these people haven’t mindset that I doing all those things? And here’s the result expected in. I’m not getting that result. Was that valid result to expect and maybe adjusting the mindset to say hey I expect that everything I do should lead to an interview. Let’s just use that as an example if I if I do. Networking is that leading to an interview. In how many networking do I need to do right? So this is my political pragmatic. Mind thinking that if I have a mindset that says I need to talk to ten people a day in order to get this and I don’t get this and I need to see what I’m doing here that’s wrong or needs adjustment or is that you know an effective measure to get that expected outcome exactly. And you’re really touching on something that we also talked about on the past but I want to bring up again. It’s the idea of expectations. Can we approach our activities whether it’s networking the conference other conversations that we’re having can we approach these things and do these things without a specific expectation and simply being open to what it might bring and this actually ties back to the example of the first guy that we were talking about? He’s trying not to have specific expectations. But simply being open to whatever comes from the conversations. He’s having and I think in his situation. You just had an expectation. Though well it it’s it’s more of it open to something. Openness is more of the mindset or talking about then an actual expectation of a specific result. Because he’s not saying I’m going to have X. result what he needs is a job. He’s approaching these different conversations. I think from a pretty healthy perspective of saying okay. Let’s just see what because he’s made that adjustment? Yes you’re saying is that his expectation may be. Hey this conversation is gonna lead directly to a job and when that didn’t happen adjust expectations. Sure Right. I think that’s a reasonable until his expectations are now tailored to the conversation.
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He’s having or the situation he’s in and then he saying okay. I’m open now that this conversation may just lead to another conversation or it may lead to nothing or but he’s been doing this for awhile now that he’s starting to feel frustrated because it’s not landing anything or at least not something that’s actually bringing in the money to support his family which. I totally understand that. That was not a static situation dynamic in so if I see my my my savings by resources might assets going like this better. Be doing more stuff on this side or to get something to backfill that that Burn rate. How do you answer that right? It was he had going. I can’t answer that he right. And that’s why we we seek advice from other people is to get different perspectives to say okay. I think this is something I should give a shot. And that’s really what we encourage all of our listeners to do. Just give it a shot. And I also think about those that we’ve heard at the breakfast club and some of the other Networking opportunities where someone will bring up an idea and they say oh well. We’ve tried that. Well how about this l? No I tried that too and had six years ago even has earned. No but the idea is okay. How could you do the same thing but differently? You know the same idea. Change it up somehow too often our frustration and disappointment. Keep us from trying something just a little bit differently because I totally understand. We don’t Wanna waste our time. I don’t want to waste my time either. Trust me I get that. Is it a waste of time? If you’re doing it differently when you think about the evolution of species it’s not suddenly they grow a whole new set of limbs that takes a long time and it’s one little mutation after another if you approach a job search similarly to say if I if I do the same basic things but I’m going to tweak it just a little bit on this chromosome what’s going to be different. The exploration then can bring its own value. Its own energy where you’re not focusing on. Oh I have to have this end result now if you keep doing that. It’s really not getting you anywhere. Why can you do? That’s bigger? That may change things up automatically. You’re still coming back to the same idea that you have to keep going. You can’t just stop because then you’re guaranteed not to get right. Well it’s much like I don’t like to use football. Analogy is very often if you look at the Kansas City chiefs this season they. They’re starting quarterback went out for a part of the season and so they had to put a new guy in. We can’t keep running the same plays with the new quarterback that maybe doesn’t have the same skills as the other quarterback you have to make an adjustment and so they they ran different plays while he was filling in for the injured quarterback happening that he. I think he won. Four out of five games or something. Because the coach had enough sense to counsel his people to let’s run. These plays a different way. Let’s come up with a different set of place and see if these work that you’ve just rang a bell in my head with that were having conversations with one of my corporate clients specifically about deploying your people against their strengths because ultimately people are far more engaged when they’re doing things that they’re already good at or things that they’re already passionate about so if you are adjusting those plays on the new guy strengths. And you’re getting good results. Think about the morale boost. That has well. The same thing is going to be true in job. Search whether you’re employed or not you are going to have a unique set of strengths. Your skills are going to be a little bit different from the person who’s advice you’re receiving. So how do you more the advice into something? That is actually going to employ your strengths. Because they’re going to be different from everyone else that you’re talking to It’s not like you hang up your strengths and your weaknesses and everything in the closet to job search. You Know I. It’s you have to look at part of the networking piece. Do you think your strengths will play two and the other parts. Maybe you don’t leverage those as much right and Because I’ve seen a lot of people who are expressive and the networking is really easy for them. But the other person doesn’t have a chance to talk. And that doesn’t go anywhere until it. So we’ve talked about styles preferences really knowing your style preference or your strengths is going to help you do some of the things. So that’s how I would morph it. I would say I’m Gonna more of this thing that you know. Networking is kind of a expressive right and External what they call it in extroverted extrovert.
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That’s what it is if your personality is such that you’re going to thrive in that environment by all means jump into it if you’re going to be drained in that environment. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to push yourself to part but this comes back to that mindset idea if you know your strength is not getting out and meeting fifteen people in one evening to push yourself to do that may be helpful to some degree to expect the same results as the person who thrives in that environment. I think that it’s fair right. I don’t think that’s a fair expectation for you to set for yourself so instead if you’re looking at the things that you’re hearing from others and comparing what is their skill set. Where are they most comfortable? What is their style preference? Compared to mine I can do the things that we have in common based on our common strengths. And maybe not push myself as hard to do the that. I’m not strong at because if you’re familiar with with strengths finder. You will understand that. You’re not going to make the same kind of progress in those areas. That are not your string right so instead of setting yourself up for that kind of failure and then tearing yourself down because you didn’t succeed how about shifting your mindset into focusing on the things that you do well and then you are strong where you are strong for as long as they’re leading to the outcome desirable for Employment. Sure because there’s a universal truth about employment that I’m aware of that. Nothing happens until you have an interview because that’s the thing that immediately precedes offer. Typically okay how do you define the interview? How many there still some sort of measuring stick okay that they used to say okay? You’re the right person. Here’s the offer. Whatever that measuring stick is typically. It’s interview and and so the truth is that an interview is a conversation dialogue. Yes and and the Nice thing about networking. It’s a conversation. It’s a dialogue so it’s prep for an interview so now I’ve changed my mindset. Not that networking is this weird strange thing that I go and I try to convince you to put me in for a job right. I and I practice my interview Skill Sheriff Story Whilst Good Question Have Accommodate Times. Have we talked to people who tell us the story that they were having just a conversation? And it morphed into an interview. It doesn’t happen as often as the formal interviews where a job opening has been posted. You go through the process but it does happen and these things happen for people who are open to them but that is a mindset. It’s not about getting all the advice and something clicks necessarily. Sometimes that happens a lot of times. That happens that’s not the story for everyone. The story that does work is that it is going to change. I need unfortunately even the good times don’t last forever. The bad times don’t last forever. You will find the job or a job that is going to be better than your current situation. Things will get better. It does get better and what I heard here. Today is a couple of things as a job seeker. Somebody that’s even employed looking for something better always be tooling up on the job seeking cy agree and do some learning there. Find out how to write the great resume how to do a good interview. Always be tooling up on that side of things so that you never run into a position where we decide. I’m not gonna take anymore advice because it’s all up kiss right right. We’re excited you know what this advice thing is not for me. I’m just going to do what I think is good which isn’t bad but then. I’m not taking other new information. So then what if the market changes now? I’m in a bad position. So that’s the first thing. The second thing is the mindset I would have for networking as a suggestion that you might want to run through your filter. Right is I want to identify an ideal and that is I wanna find an interview or a conversation that Morse into an interview. And I’m going to keep doing this thing until I find one of those and so that’s Kinda like motivation to keep going. Which is something we’re talking about here is keep going well. I’m going to keep going until I find that I’m coming back to a one of these conversations that we’ve mentioned before. Just how do you keep going when you haven’t found it yet? There there comes a period when you get tired right. You’ve tried all the job search fatigue. Right take arrest. It’s okay pending on how badly you need the the income that may determine how long the rest happens. Fine rests where you can so that you have the energy to keep going. Don’t stop just because you’re not getting traction doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep trying to to to more this to do something a little bit differently but to keep using the advice that you’ve you’ve received so far it is going to be different dependent upon what level of position you’ve had in the past and what how much of that might be in your specific market.
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It’s going to be a little different for everyone. What doesn’t change is that? It is not permanent. And you have to keep going until you decide not to work anymore right right. If you’re deploying where you could do that I guess you could but the idea is. Hey you know what even if I have something? That’s good for me now. Does it mean it’ll be good for me in five years? Oh that’s learn to write or or even ten years and it’s the people that I coach that have been in the same company for Twenty Twenty five thirty years that come out and are like I never thought this would happen to me right and I can just tell you when I see the look on their face. I don’t want to see it out in anybody’s face so I’ll give you the free advice here. Take it for what? It’s worth reading through your filter right as a suggestion. Don’t ever think anything as permanent and always be looking not that you’re looking to leave not that you don’t Wanna stay at that. You’re open to opportunities for market research. Think about blockbuster us what’s that The video heavy right. Yeah no but your point. So there were all sorts of indicators suggest that the market was changing around them the employees who have been in any company for twenty five years if they’re not doing the market research to see where the trends are going and whether or not they have the skills for the newer kind of work that’s happening that’s a gap and that’s something that we talk about in my field about. Skilling up and making sure that people are ready with the skills that they are going to need for the next iteration of the job they currently have. These are things that everyone can be working on a constant level. Keep Looking. It isn’t about getting out of your current job especially if you love your current job and you wanna stay in it. Knowing what’s out there will help you in your current job. It comes back to the idea of keep going. Keep doing the things that you you feel. You need to be doing to survive. What can you do a little bit differently to find? Better outcome. Better Opportunity writer outcome. Keep swinging So that does it for this episode of Job Seekers Radio you can find all the show notes and Resources Job Seekers radio DOT COM FORWARD SLASH. Zero seven eight. Thank you for joining us for this episode of Job Seekers Radio Your investment of time and attention is truly appreciated. Head on over to itunes. In fact there’s a link in the show notes to take you right to itunes and it really be helpful for us if you would actually do a rate and review a so that we can get some feedback to make this better production for you and also to spread the word about Job Seekers Radio. We also want your comments and questions. We love to answer those. We do episodes periodically to answer a listener questions. So please send us a few more. We love getting those. Well I’m Andrew and I’m Scott and in the words of Tracy McMillan. Everything works out in the end if it has worked out yet that it’s not the end by everybody stay in the game.
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Show Notes Getting noticed by a hiring manager can take some effort. You have interest in a company or even a specific position, but are unsure about how to get on the radar.
Scott and Andrew discuss some strategies for finding hiring managers and getting their attention.
Don’t miss these Topics: * Getting around the applicant tracking system (ATS) and recruitment processes. * Reverse engineering the roles and industry trends based on research to craft attention grabbing mindsets. * Leveraging industry associations and relationships to get introductions. * Position your expertise to align with current events and trends. * Tracking and keeping tabs on hiring managers of interest through authentic engagement. * Identifying problems you solve or can help them avoid proactively. * Incubating and updating hiring managers with valued content. * Be an extension of the hiring manager’s work by becoming a subject-matter expert (SME) and bringing information back to the team. * Share the truth about your capabilities and accomplishments. * Volunteering alongside hiring managers with similar interests.
Resources (including affiliate links) What Color is Your Parachute
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welcome to Job Seekers Radio Andrew and I’m Scott. This production is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. And that’s why they’re you’re working or not today. We’re talking about getting on the hiring managers radar this can be challenging and it’s going to be different in every situation but we want to talk about this in just general terms because often there are ways to get on the radar that either we forget about. We don’t know about or that. We sure whether or not it’s going to be effective and so we don’t try and I think the first step is you gotta try what you know. Hopefully we can build on that today. Today’s episode is actually brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. It’s an e book that Scott Ni- put together to free sort resource for you on job. Seekers RADIO DOT COM. You can download that at your leisure. The challenge with getting on the hiring managers radar is feedback. That I’ve gotten from a lot of job seekers that I coached those ones that are working in ones. That are not that are just trying to get. I don’t WanNa say around recruitment or talent acquisition. But really they WANNA talk to a human being and often. They’re not able to because of all the layers of process that stand between them and the company so many companies now are using automated systems to go through a recruiting process and so it is difficult to get in touch with a human being and we recognize that. Turn the tables just long enough to to think about why they would wanna do that. I can’t really blame them. Having been on both sides of the coin both as a hiring manager as well as a job seeker. The hiring manager needs help anymore. I don’t know. Many companies that have a lot of recruiters are a lot of people that have the bandwidth to be doing a lot of the sourcing. Most the recruiters I know have an enormous number of tickets open for positions that they need to hire people into and it can be daunting so the automated systems that they use help them to find people with the right qualifications at least with the right keywords. So all of the PODCAST THAT. We’ve we’ve already done where we’re talking about how to get into that. All of that still applies. Hopefully we can maintain a sense of empathy for those who are going through all of that processing the ones that are reaching out using these automated systems. We want to help them to find us. So that’s really elite sort of the the perspective we WanNa start with today. Part of this is really reverse engineering. The roles you’re interested in in identifying. Then okay what are some of the challenges that are common in the industry? What are some things that the company has facing is Is there a trend? That’s happening. That’s relevant. Have you been able to navigate that trend in the past that that would be relevant to that hiring team and also where are we in the employment cycle? We go through this with the economy and we see it time and time again where the economy is getting really strong or has been strong for a period of time. Unemployment is low. I’ll give the caveat. That employment is never as low as the numbers that we hear. Say It is. It’s true that unemployment does go through the cycle so the tactics that company us will also change based on the volume of applications. They receive the number of qualified candidates that are currently in the the job seeker pool. What is the competitive environment? Like in terms of being an employer. Do they have to work harder to find someone to fill the job and so they have to sweet deal? Somehow all of these things play into that cycle so be aware of where where we are whenever. You’re looking where we are in that. That employment cycle and many of these hiring managers are easy to identify because most of them at least in my experience or online din and the big question I have from clients is. How do I find the hiring manager? Did you look on linked it? Well there’s one hundred of them great. Got One hundred people. Now that you can network with that you don’t know. Is it that one or that one or that one? But it doesn’t matter because right that Mo- some of them are gonNA respond anyway. Sure and those who do will probably be able to lead you in the right direction the right direction but linked him also offers filters that you can use in that search so you can. You can search for specific words so if you if you’re looking for a position you’re looking for that hiring manager for a position that you’ve been in or that you’re familiar with should be able to figure out what the titles are at least some keywords that you can filter that search and Lincoln is not the only source though of work in industries where there is an industry association which means there are people from a variety of organizations. That do what you do.
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And whether that’s the industry that your company is in or the industry of your discipline for my own example. The Association for Training and Development Ata as the Association for Training and Development. It covers all industries but it is specific to those of us and the learning and development world. Then you also have the those in For example the medical industry you have the people who are in an industry these associations will depend on what it is you do but they will be able to help you find people to start conversations. Let them know what it is that you’re trying to accomplish to expand your network to expand your contacts within your industry to develop new skills perhaps looking for new opportunities. Whatever that might be work with people in your affinity group that can help you and that really comes down to then. I just identifying that leader once you’ve identified that leader. I think it’s important maybe to put together a profile on them. Not that I’m looking to put together a dossier but I really WANNA see. What are they talking about? Where did they were they coming from? What what sort of things can I find? What I google their name. There’s a lot published anything. There’s a little bit of research that you can do on the front end in order to position. Whatever it is. You’RE GONNA put out there in alignment with what that leader is interested in and we can talk about values. We’ve talked about that in prior podcasts. We can talk about areas of interest that are both professional or personal for these individuals. And it’s not like we’re trying to teach you how to stalk someone this is really about. How do I have a conversation? That is then meaningful to the other person. Once we know who some of the hiring managers may be in an organization whether they have a position open or not isn’t the point these are people who have direct reports and therefore will at some point need to bring someone else on the team. They lose a team member. Whatever you’re already preparing for those conversations and that’s the point is just keeping track keeping tabs on. This leader is really important primarily because if you decide to make a person a mentor or even a thought leader than you probably. WanNa keep in regular contact ’em overtime if you’re connected with them already on Lincoln. You can make comments on the things that they post. You can reply to come as they make on yours or other people’s like showing up at the gym if you keep showing up in these different platforms to simply engage not to show how important you are. Or how knowledgeable you are but just to join the conversation. You’re going to create that sense of trust with these hiring managers. You will get on the radar without having to say. Hey I want you to hire me and really it’s positioning yourself too. So once you understand this hiring manager saying okay what problems do I solve? And if you position yourself as a solution to a problem then you’re going to be seeking problems to solve and you don’t offer the solution until you know there’s a problem right. This is another conversation that we can have with those who will be hiring. What are your pain points? Or what problems are you solving? There’s also the conversation of what problems are you trying to avoid? What do you see as potential for your organization that you are actively trying to improve on before you get there before it’s a problem? I’ve had conversations with people recently certainly from a development side of. How do we become proactive? When what we’re trying to do is solve problems while problem solving is a reactive function. So how do you turn that around to be proactive? Well what is it that you’re trying to accomplish? What outcomes does your organization want in terms of its schools and now we can do things like for example reverse brainstorming. Which is okay. We’re going to approach this. How do we totally screw this up? And you use the worst thing that could have right. And how do we make that worse thing happened? What’s great about this is now you start to often see the humor in it. You’re creating a conversation that most people don’t have that becomes memorable but also it’s how to identify the things that are going to trip you up. It’s a great way to proactively problem solve before problems. Show up and when you become adept at this not only will you have had a more positive conversation with these people who may be hiring. They will see you as a problem solver without having to be reactive and really that applies also to internally if you’re in a company and you’re trying to get on some of the folks that I’m coaching right now our our at a larger organization and these people are starved for time. You know and everybody wants to get on their calendar. And how do you manage that? And how do I make my fifteen minutes more important than somebody right minutes and that competition starts to come in and really Part of this process is putting yourself in a position to give that person regular communication.
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Just as course of your work and that sometimes doesn’t require getting fifteen minutes on their calendar that could just be having project update right. Here’s the project we’re collaborating on together. Wanted to keep you posted on. What’s going on? I also think about what when we think about values and goals. What are the hot buttons involved? What do we need to be sure that we’re we’re giving positive information about how we are? Achieving around those hot buttons can also be a really helpful conversation. It’s not that you’re solving. Their problem is that you have a mindset of providing solutions. And if you know what they’re put buttons are you can actually lead into that very comfortably. Those regular check ins do more to create credibility than simply having a good answer. The other way to create credibility is to actually go to some of the industry events that the leader or the hiring manager doesn’t just have bandwidth time to go to absolute so now you can be that that sage right the industry sage that is always going to the industry events and bringing the latest things to hiring team once you establish that communication with the hiring manager that you can be an extension of their work. That y’all do the legwork for them they actually would appreciate that. As long as you’re bringing back the value from these activities the other thing to think about is what meetings can you sit in on to gather information A present consistent resource you know I think oh I think of all these meetings. We see on C. Span where there’s a committee meeting and you know the the congressman’s upfront. And there’s like five staff members behind the camera not quite uncanny quality camera but you know not aware that they’re being filmed. Yeah yeah there. There are so many of these that actually happened that we don’t think about in terms of our participation as we’re trying to get on somebody’s radar. We may have restricted bandwidth. We may not have the time to attend all these other things. So that may be a conversation you have with your current leader or boss to try to free up a little bit of time and that that’s going to look different depending on the kind of work that you do. Here’s where at least for me. My ability to communicate my own brand statement my personal branding statement. Okay that needs to align with my company. The brand that. I’m working four when I can talk concisely about the value. I bring as an individual into these conversations. That’s actually going to inform the conversation I have with my boss where I’m asking. Can I have a little extra time to do? X Y and Z activity. Yeah and then you go do. Xyz activity bring back. Bring back the value that then maybe saving them time because now don’t have to go do it or they can rely on you to be a consistent force in the organization to make that kind of thing happened and that’s going to make you more visible to other leaders who then can see you coming under the radar as being somebody. They want to bring on board doing good work. I mean that’s what it is. It’s really just demonstrating to people around you that you do good work so part of this problem that I see with a lot of people is hey. I don’t like to Brag. I don’t like to toot my own horn or whatever Being that they’re hiding right. That’s what it is. They’re really hiding behind in keeping all of their capabilities secret. And if I have some strength inside of me I want other people to know about. Maybe they just haven’t identified that or are willing to embrace what that is right now. You’re reminding me of a quote and I wish I could remember who said it i. Most people are most afraid of success. It’s true the and they don’t realize it. S The channel. I don’t really horn. Tooting Your Own Horn in an appropriate and helpful way is not conceit. You’re not being stuck up by telling people what you bring to the table if anything helping them help you. And this becomes a symbiotic relationship. And isn’t that what we’re trying to do? A bid that it actually helps the manager is the company helps. You helps has got to be able to toot your own horn to some extent. So don’t be afraid to do that. You don’t want to be a clanging cymbal. So that you’re like just constantly that it’s annoying. It’s very annoying. But there’s you absolutely have permission to tell the truth about the things you’re good at and the things you enjoy doing so that you can advocate for your own data’s faction your own happiness so then if you know what brings you satisfaction on the job you know what interests you you know the direction you. WanNa go now. You have another filter to us. Which leaders do you? WanNa get onto their radar. You have now away to focus your efforts in the right directions because the more you do the things you love to do the more energy you get the more passionate you become the more of an expert you appear to other people because they see how you’re tapping into this this is one of those virtuous circles these are ways for you to get involved and be seen as a thought leader or as a good person to have on the ground and people want to be around.
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They don’t WanNa be around a milk toes. Person Keeps everything why it? It’s just not very exciting. I’d rather be around people that got going on. That are full of energy that understand who they are no what they bring to the table and they have capacity that that’s exciting it demonstrates life well and you don’t have to do that on the job either. You can do volunteer work. You can get out there and do things. Maybe it’s not even involved in your work when people know that you are volunteering your time. That says something about how you feel about your community. Your worldview depending of course on what voluntary work you’re doing or the organization you’re doing for. Here’s another opportunity to expand your network doing things that you really are interested in doing. You may take that a step further and volunteer to do project. Hey I see this thing. I think there’s a project there. I’d like to volunteer to take that on and really you’re demonstrating to a hiring manager. You have that capacity. Sure and that. You are proactive. And you’ve identified a need and you’re ready to address it now. We think about different resources that we can turn to to find these sorts of opportunities. There’s the business journal from your city and every large city in most the smaller cities have a business journal if not called the city. Business like Portland Business Journal Los Angeles Business Journal. There are others like that. You look at the news sources. If they’re making an announcement that something is happening. There’s nothing wrong with contacting someone in that organization. Say Hey I see this happening in the news. I would love to know how I might be able to get involved in that. What volunteering opportunities might you be offering it? It’s not hey I want you to hire me. It’s hey how can I volunteer thing might just hire you? Yeah there’s lots of hiring managers that have lives outside of the job and that might include the American Cancer Society or diabetes. Well we have whatever we have a mutual friend that’s involved in the Alzheimer’s Organization. There are all sorts of different groups out there doing this kind of work that you can now get involved in and meet people expand your network. You can find them on social media whether that’s facebook or linked in or any of the social media platforms out there. I look at it kind of like a circle by that I mean. Hey you know if you’re trying to get on the hiring managers radar there’s the gravitational satellite right around that person and just not close enough to the hiring manager to get sucked into that to get sucked into the vortex but I guess what I’m suggesting is there’s always somebody that’s a little bit closer to that hiring manager than you are and often they. There’s somebody that each leader that I’ve ever met relies on is kind of like they’re sounding board or the go-to person or someone that they can how them to be influenced by because they value that person’s opinion and if you can’t get to the hiring manager one way you get on their radar as maybe through their executive admin or a potential here that you happen to play squash with on Saturday afternoons or something. I don’t know that brings us back to your one of your early ideas of doing the search on linked to find the Harry Manager. Look at the peers. Look at the other people. Who are the various people on that level that you might be able to connect with just to get some information about the company? What does it like to work there? What what are your current strategies. I mean I’m just interested in the industry. Whatever that looks like because that’s going to tie tie you right back into where you need to be. There’s more than one door into the organization and it’s either through the hiring manager. The peers could be somebody in sales or somebody in finance that you end up bumping into just kind of serendipitous at a weekend event maybe a wine tasting or crawl or some sort of faith organization. That happens to go to your church. Sure all of the the the potential conversations somebody in the grocery line. It’s not that you should be talking about your employment situation in every conversation you have keep that in. Mind that any conversation. You have could go there so that if you have your personal branding statement written out in practice that you can jump into that opportunity as soon as it presents itself because you never know where when it’s going to happen it may be just a stepping stone. We do want to encourage you to look for any opportunity. All Opportunities Don’t feel like you’ve exhausted the mall because you probably don’t restrict yourself keep an open mind because you’ll be surprised in how many opportunities actually come up if you’re just ready for them. Keep your eyes and ears open at all times. Well that does it for this episode of Job Seekers Radio You can get all the show notes and resources and job seekers radio DOT COM FORWARD SLASH. Zero seven seven. We want to remind you that we do have the book. Called Anatomy of networking conversation. Is there it has companion audio? Avail yourself of it. It’s totally free. And it’s one of the best ways to get on.
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Show Notes Dealing with a boss, a manager, or a leader that is toxic can be an emotional powder keg. Coping with this very common situation can be challenging.
Scott and Andrew share ideas around coping with impotent leaders in sometimes toxic work environments.
Don’t miss these Topics: * Strategies for coping in a healthy way. * Perception and reality – understanding the current state and the truth. * Qualifying job opportunities to confirm toxicity. * Concurrently performing and coping. * Seeking 3rd Party Support through coaching, counseling, therapy, and mentoring. * Be the leader you wish you had. * Evaluation of options and making decisions about what to do.
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Simon Sinek on Millennials in the Workplace
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welcome to job seekers radio. I’m Andrew and I’m Scott. This production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you’re you’re working or not in today’s episode. We’re talking about healthily coping with impotent leadership and internal politics and what do you do in. Your leader is really a red head. Hot Mess Yeah. It’s a topic that comes up often you. There are many articles out there. A quick Google search will get you there. We did want to talk about it. Not because others have it but because I think we have a voice to speak we both have experience with toxic leaders. I think everyone WHO’s been around this block more than once has and it’s surprising to me that it continues to be such a common instance? I guess what what makes some specific boss or a certain environmental is going to depend a lot on how that person or organization has grown into the position. They’re in so there’s going to be a unique set of reasons. I don’t think we need to really analyze the reasons why they’re there. It’s really just. How do we cope with this situation? And especially for those who have had a lot of experience in their work and then suddenly find themselves back in a situation that feels toxic or dealing with a leader. Who doesn’t seem to lead? Well it can be really frustrating. So we I WANNA talk about this from a sort of a step back in how we can help ourselves to cope with these situations and find ways to improve awesome. Tell me if this sounds like you. Have you ever had a new boss or a new leader. Yeah I think we all have. Have you been promised things that didn’t happen Many times okay. Tell me this sounds like you is the leader. Favoring somebody else over you never never happens right now or maybe you feel isolated you know working remotely as do. I sometimes feel isolated. I’m not getting face time or I’m not getting recognition or I’m not. There’s certain things I’m not getting really it comes to our own perceptions are we actually perceiving this accurately and so. That’s a really good caveat to start the conversation sometimes times. We don’t see things as clearly as they appear. What we WANNA talk about isn’t so much dealing with the times when we misunderstand ended when we want to encourage everyone to to look at that objectively tried to get as much input about it from co workers or other leaders or people who used to work work with with these people because you can always find that out on linked and do your due diligence to determine whether or not this is truly a toxic situation or your leader really isn’t a good leader whether that’s true impotence? In the sense that they don’t have the power to make positive change or maybe they just do play play favorites. Let let’s or they choose not to make a decision. They abdicate. Certain responsibilities that that’s another thing that we see all the time but we’re going to assume that you’ve done your due diligence and that you have confirmed in a relatively robust way that yes. This is the case that you’re dealing with that. They are in in fact a poor leader and I would encourage also people that might be looking for work. This is an opportunity to make sure that you validate everything. Yeah and make sure that you identify ideal leader and questions for you to identify. Okay how do I know. This person is my ideal leader or not. That really comes down to interviewing the interviewer. I’ve run into a couple of interviewers over the years that I’ve done interviews that they don’t like that they feel like they’re being controlled or they’re losing control of the conversation and I acknowledge that I would recommend to our listeners. Not to worry too much about that because most professional recruiters others whether it’s in house or consultant they appreciate those interview questions coming back to them because they know you know what you’re talking about. They a understand how to respond to these questions. Because they’re asking them the really good interviewers actually like it when you interview them because now you can start really focusing using unfit and this is where that toxicity is going to make. Its first appearance. We all put our best foot forward. We all want to see the good in the other people. especially if you’re out of work and you need a job you want to see this in a very positive way and I’m going to fit in and I’m going to make make this a great interview. You can’t leave your objective hat at the door. You have to interview the other person to ask those behavioral behavioral questions that are going to give you the insight on how they handle conflict. How do they handle favouritism? How do they handle these things? That add to the toxicity doc society in the workplace.
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And certainly if you’re in a role the approach might be a little bit different or in that. Hey if I’m working in already under this person what do I do now and Dan really need to find a way to continue to perform and asking to be really hard. Because you feel like you’re doing it to get their approval or acknowledgment or whatever her But performing well for yourself and for the organization and maybe even the people that you work alongside find some motivation there to still perform embroil for a purpose that other than the leader. That might be hosing. You totally agree. The idea that I would start with. There is determine as best. You can what they truly value the toxic boss or at the ineffective leader is probably going to say something about the values instead aligned with the organization’s aspirational values. You know those things that they put on their website that we believe in this and that and that’s what makes us such a great company. Come worker okay. Yes yes because you should expect that what I found though is that every individual leader has their own personal values and it may be that. It’s something they don’t don’t really WanNa talk about because they either don’t recognize it as it is the recognize that it’s not really in line with company values. So they’re not gonNA talk about. What did they ask about? What does performance look like so when it comes to the question how am I performing? Well define good performance and then you document that all the way along and that’s what you’re talking about with that leader to ensure that you are meeting that leaders expectations and what does good performance. Look like Doc. So you’re setting the ground rule that they can trust you to get your job done and with toxic bosses or impotent bosses. That is the foundation. You must establish so that as you do start networking with others either in the organization or in other organizations that you’re still standing on solid ground and really. It’s time to take take the high road you’d have someone suggesting is yes. Perform well and find motivation to do so. Maintain composure if this person is truly toxic they’re gonna find ways to screw you up the diplomatic and like you said tracking everything if it’s just the fact that this is an arm’s length leader and they’re just out to lunch which does happen. Maybe an in two years from retirement. They’re biting whatever the reason might be. I’m reminded of what Simon Senate gave advice to the millennial generation and that is be delete. Delete that you wish you had and that means if this leader is not the one I wish I had and I want to have bi weekly one on ones then. I’m just going to schedule lows into his or her calendar and I’m GonNa take control of that interaction and that’s great advice in fact it’s interesting because The last big company that I worked with did exactly that the they actually launched a shift in their their one on one program if you will. It wasn’t a formalized program. But what they we’re doing was creating a tool within their company intranet their portal for employees a process or a platform where they were going to put the responsibility for scheduling those one on one interactions on the employ not on the leader and so DNA anyway was to empower those employees ways to take charge of their own careers which for some employees that were ready to do that. It was a great tool for those for whom this wasn’t they weren’t ready for. They sort of got left behind and it really didn’t help very much for them. That has been a growing experience for them to the idea that be the leader that you want to have a this is one of those principles of leading without authority where you are trying to influence people you wanna get their buying so you have to adapt to their style or you have have to connect with their values again. These are things that you can do to help to empower yourself in getting what you need. This is all valuable experiences as well. Because if you’re acting like the leader that you WanNa have guess what it won’t be long before you’re leading other people for real right and that person is going to be. Who knows where at at some point you need to make a decision and that is do I want to stick it out here? I want to see the course. Well is it worth doing that. Do I also need to be looking outside at alternatives. My suspicion is both hand. Yes if you’re in a situation and this is going to be different for different people depending on the role of the responsibilities. They have the the kind of work that they do. If you’re in a situation where you your company encourages or at least allows you to volunteer your time or to spend time away. Obviously the limited amount of time away from your desk for those organizations that pride themselves in in being active in the community they will generally speaking allow you a little bit of time to do things on your own. They may expect that to be job related and maybe they don’t. The idea is that you have a little bit of time. A little bit of bandwidth to start doing things that bring you something of value to yourself.
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And if you’re lucky enough to be in a situation where you’re working king for the company and you’re performing well you’re connecting with your leader in ways that they feel comfortable with your productivity. Then you can start doing other things give you exposure in the outside community where you can be a subject matter expert in these different networking groups who are association meetings or whatever that might look like so now. You’re building your network outside of your company to your point you may then get the call from someone where they want to recruit you into into their company so you can actually escape the toxic boss. This is the perfect scenario. You know the the way things we want things to to be you can also be networking inside inside your organization in ways that don’t undermine the credibility or reputation of your boss instead shows your ability to provide right value to the company in other ways or in other places which then gives you a stronger position in the first place and what I was thinking in this way is that and we’ve said this another podcast cast is. We should always be looking not that. We’re GONNA leave but that we should be aware I am when opportunity comes. I’m always the type of person I’m all ears eyes and ears open to any opportunity opportunity. That comes my way that also applies to learning new skills. Meaning if I have an impotent leader than I need to maybe get into some more communication heavy the education so that I can actually lead this person the way I want to be led and that might mean things like crucial conversations. I think there’s other things that are similar to that. Were you can learn how to communicate your needs to boss without being angry pissed off needy. These educational opportunities are then giving you do things to talk about with your bus. Hey this is something I learned. And what do you think of that. And so you’re actually having a constructive conversation with your current boss about things that you’re learning joining that may help. I’m also thinking about companies that provide education assistance. In other words they will pay for part or sometimes all of the costs involved in getting a degree different ways for you to get out there and look at ways to really find the satisfaction on your own. It’s not that you’re going to be always just doing whatever you want. There are probably going to be some restrictions. You have the ability to branch out to do something different. And as long as you’re doing things that you can come back to your current boss to say what value is being added by the fact that you’re learning these things. The chances are pretty good. God that is going to serve you well. One of the things I was trying to get at is if I have a new leader. That’s on boarding in now. Minorities are a little bit different than they used to be. I need to take some time and invest in that person episode before I start through that process of discomfort in fear uncertainty. And this isn’t the way we used. I used to do it right. And you don’t WanNa get stock when you get a new leader. You really need to invest the time proactively as part of a Covey’s seven habits. I have those pasted everywhere are now is be proactive if you have a new leader scheduled time on their calendar. Get to know them even though they’re on boarding maybe you could be part of the on boarding experience. It’s an opportunity for you to begin again especially if you have a leader that was either good or bad or whatever. And they didn’t take with them. Well I also think about a time when the group that I was working with got an you later. There was a reorganization in the company and a new leader was assigned to our group and there were a couple of us that were certified in change management methodology. It was my colleague. Actually that started the process in taking our team through the change management process so we looked at what is the awareness of the new. You way of doing things. How aware were we of the values that this person brought into this group as the new leader? What was our awareness awareness? The depth of our awareness of how this is all furthering with the reorganization furthering the goals of the organization. How did we fit in in this new realm the idea of desire did we want to do this and in fact more than half? The team laughed after the reorganization. Those who Stayed were the ones that could then realize in some fashion a way to keep the desire to work there while they improve both their situations and their network so that’s just the first two steps of the methodology. We actually took it all the way through to determine where we stood and that was really helpful actually using on on the job the skills that you had learned a real situation exactly huge huge. Because it’s seven point you’re probably going to need to engage a third party known as human human resources potentially over the people organization or warrant they. How employee assistance program where they have outside counselors? You can talk to whatever it is. It’s important that you all recognize that if this is having an effect on you personally is probably having an effect on your emotional status your ability to cope with even simple things things that you need to exercise your capacity to leverage those third party resources within either within HR which isn’t always helpful.
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But it somebody you can’t talk to to and sometimes just talking to somebody can make a huge difference I will say having worked in. Hr for as many years. As I have an and I totally advocate four their help many many. HR people are there to help you. I will remind our listeners. That H are often the individuals meanwhile the function Russian of that department is to protect the company. If you feel like you need to talk about things that are going to be uncomplimentary of the company or your leader. I would recommend that you turn to an outside source I to process that so that you can learn the right language or approach so that when you do talk to human resources versus you’re doing it in a way that is not making you look like you’re the enemy of the state because they will have a responsibility to protect the company from liability. That’s their role. Just be careful. Be Mindful of that and an EA he assistance program that is offered. Do take advantage of it. They are an underutilized resource for employees. You may also look at things like exercise. There’s a lot of different coping mechanisms stress. reducer stress reducers baby even even engaging a coach would be held out. If you feel like you got it together mentally but you just need to work through some conversational role play great. You can engage a coach like Scott Scott or myself Were more than happy to help you. You can certainly contact us through the website job seekers radio DOT COM. I know I offer initial consultation. Short one for Free A- As do I think most most counselors do anybody who’s there to be a mentor for those who charged. That’s great for those who don’t that’s great too. I remind myself even though my budget. It is strict that you get paid for. In all of these cases most people get involved in it because they want to be helpful. Do reach out to anyone anyone who puts themselves out as a mentor coach and these could be many different people i. It doesn’t just have to be somebody in your company or a coach like us. It could be somebody through toastmasters and toastmasters is a great place to identify people that are in a capacity to help that way. And I think that’s a conversational. Yeah role playing so forth and you’re meeting meeting people on various levels with various perspectives. And all of them are interested in helping you. I also think about the trade associations there’s usually someone involved that is whether it’s community outreach. Or some sort of learning and development aspect of that association. They’re going to be highly respected and experienced individuals who will also be willing to to mentor or to work as some kind of sounding board for you. Don’t forget at these people are there and they want to be helpful leverage these resources often. You feel like you’re alone person on an island like Tom Hanks and castaway. And it’s just you and Wilson also you know don’t feel like you’re isolated or without capacity to access some of these resources that are available to you and if you’re listening to us you clearly clearly have the ability to get in touch with us. If you’re looking for something other than the kind of coaching that we do. We probably know someone who can help you. So don’t hesitate contact. We’ll put you in the right direction. Ryan point you in the right direction at least something that we haven’t really addressed directly is when you’re feeling frustrated or I angry about the situation of having that impotent leader or maybe you’re outside of work you’re not working right now and you’re trying to avoid getting into another toxic situation always have someone on your side to whom you can vent because if I end up battling all that up and maybe you’re not the type that’s terribly communicative a few. You don’t share your feelings. It is really important. Let me say that again. It is really important that you vent those frustrations to someone else. Not The person person who’s interviewing you and if you have invented it it will come out in an interview. Oh absolutely both of us have done enough interviewing to see this as a regular thing you know the people who are angry and guess what the people who are angry are not the ones that are getting the jobs and they know that you’re angry. Yes you can’t hide these emotions. It better to process assist emotions and a safe environment. Where where you or somebody else or not going to get injured? Don’t pick on your spouse. I don’t think the people Litter closest event or go back to the same person at hammer of all the time. It’s not good either. Yeah reach out to someone. Have make sure that you’ve spoken to that mentor. Especially especially someone that will give you the honest feedback that you need and yeah you’re still sounding kind of angry about this and then talk to some. It may be a professional counselor or a therapist who can help you choose the language that can express your true feelings because you do need to be authentic.
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which is a topic of a future? PODCAST will be doing. You need to choose language that keeps it from expressing anger or frustration. Because what you’re looking for is is the fit that’s going to keep that frustration from happening. And you don’t want to escalate it. You don’t want to escalate a frustration into anger and something that you’re GonNa regret th there’s also so the idea and I’ve I’ve seen this to where we’re interviewing someone that has legitimate. Gripe but now they’re bringing that into this workplace. Yeah no less resolve that before you get hired. Have that ability the the person to vent your frustrations whatever those feelings are. Be sure that you’re doing that before you get into the networking and interview conversations. Well that does it for this episode of Job Seekers Radio You can get all the show notes and resources sources at Jobseeker’s radio DOT com forward slash zero seven six. We also want to encourage you to download the book that we’ve created it’s called the anatomy of networking in conversation. It’s a free resource all the information that you need in terms of a natural networking compensation and it comes with companion audio. So if you’re the type of person that love listening to Scott Ni- I don’t know who wouldn’t that’s also great so you get the book and get the audio to go with it. Well thank you for joining S. for this episode of Job Seekers Radio Your investment of time and your attention is greatly appreciated. There is a link in the show notes for Itunes and this is the the eight hundred pound gorilla in the podcast space. And we’d really appreciate it if you just take a few seconds took over there and leave a rate which is a five star will up to five stars give us whatever stars you feel are appropriate and then also review which is where you get to type in some information about what this podcast is meant to you and how we can be better in this podcast in the future. Sure you can also give us that feedback on job. Seekers radio DOT COM also. Include your questions. If you have questions that are coming up in your job search perch go ahead and send those to us. We do enjoy answering questions in various podcast that we do. Well I’m Andrew and I’m Scott and in the words of Bob Farrell of Farrell’s ice cream parlors inspiring self-confidence starts by taking away your employees fear of failure or loss of thanks.
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Show Notes Moving to a new city can be a shock in itself. Even more so when you are talking about a new country.
Scott and Andrew discuss high-value methods to finding meaningful work in a new city.
Top 4: 1. Networking that includes a perfect excuse. 2. Flock together with affinity groups. 3. Leverage your spouses relationships. 4. Join things.
Resources (including affiliate links) ToastmastersEventbrite
Meetup
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welcome to job seekers radio. I’m Andrew and I’m Scott this production. This podcast is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers ears faster whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is the top four things you can do to find meaningful work in a new city. This is a really common circumstance that people find themselves all the time. It could be that you’ve relocated to a new city because your spouse or significant other has. You’re you’re going along with them. It could be that you had an opportunity to try something different because you were out of work and you wanted to move moved to a city that you really wanted to try out. There are so many reasons but it is. None of them are uncommon. The one I run into most often Scott is. I’ll have somebody come. I’m here on maybe an H1B Visa. And they bring a spouse along and the spouses some of them I’ve seen are like MD’s PhD’s I mean they’re highly educated. They have decades of experience. And they’re in a new country and they don’t know what to do and it’s a new environment and new experience and really we want to give those people an opportunity entity to really know that there’s four things that you can do today to change that circumstance or that situation. One person that I’ve been talking to recently has has come to the Portland area from New York City actually I’ve spoken to a couple of people from upstate New York and they want to be here. They both came here with great expectations. One because he wanted he and his family wanted to try out Portland though. They weren’t familiar with it. They’d heard a lot about the other. One actually got a job out here. In both cases they weren’t familiar with the people here they didn’t have a lot of friends. They had some acquaintances but thought they didn’t really know where to start and they’re probably in some shock. Yeah new surroundings getting used to new culinary norms shore. That idea of shock I I think is something that people are expecting when they go to a city especially when they th- chosen this city. Oh they heard so many good things about it it and how welcoming the city may be and how newcomers are really treated very well and they get there and they still find themselves sort of isolated. They don’t the people they don’t know how to take the next step or even what the next step out look like and so that shock is probably what everybody has in common. What most of the folks that I know are there in this situation? They do have financial capacity. They have a runway Brian on the they’re not really being stretched a capacity but they really really want to get back to work sure because they were highly valued in the country or the place they came from and now they’re in a place. Where wow this is the first? This is weird. I’m in a new country new city. I don’t really know anybody. I have all these skills and I just don’t know where to take him so the other thing is yes. They have financial resources but also they have a visa or What would you call it? A the the spouse might be hurting H. One B. But there’s a separate permit to work. They have to obtain Brian. So we’re not gonNA talk about the permits legalities right. It’s constantly changing or certainly not subject matter experts. But it’s important if you’re coming to a new country that you figure all that stuff out I will mention there are. We’re going to be some people who do come to a new city and we’ll put you in quotes in that scenario. It could be that they’re coming to this place either they haven’t been there for for many years and this is sort of coming back home. Maybe they’re moving in with a A relative for a temporary situation because because they can’t afford to stay where they were given the fact that they are no longer working and so they’re now say they’re moving in with her sibling and they’re going to land a job before before they get out on their own. That’s another scenario where they’re in a new place without having the network already established so all of these are possibilities las abilities how we we can’t take a lot of time to talk about the specifics on each one. But all of these do have some commonalities. There are things said all of us can do when we’re in that new environment. The number one thing to remember is that this is a perfect excuse so this is number one of the four. This is a perfect right excuse to do networking and when you reach out to people. Hey just give them your situation new country new city don’t know anybody. Would you have time for me. I don’t know anybody that would say no to that kind of approach in its very low stakes. It’s not hey find me a job and say I’m in a vulnerable place here and normally people will lay out a red carpet especially help you out. If you can tap into any individual who has really happy to be in their location you can find those goes on social media really you know. Hey isn’t it great here in any kind of question ask those the people that you can contact through social media to say. Hey I’m new in town and I’m trying to meet people who can show me around who not necessarily in the sense of take me to these different tourist sites show me around in in the sense of where our are people like me.
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Where do I kind of affinity? Yeah the idea that I want to network just to get to know people to your point the stakes are really low there and if we approach this with the idea that everybody likes to give information advice. They’d like to be helpful when all you’re asking for us to meet people that is a low enough bar that anyone can feel comfortable reaching out and saying let me help you especially when you go to those areas where they pride themselves on helping in people Portland happens to be one of them now whether or not they follow up. Well that’s a different topic one that we’ve actually already talked about in a prior podcast. Portland has a reputation of being being very welcoming to people and offering help. Here’s the opportunity and if the bar is low they will help. The biggest thing is just to have enough courage to get out of the the house Into a situation that might not be comfortable. especially if there’s a cultural barrier there is some cultures. It’s like okay. If I’m the spouse coming along young and I happened to be female. I’m to be the the diminutive Stand behind my husband kind of person and it just depends on the patriarchal society versus a matriarchal. Whatever that is no that here in the United States is perfectly acceptable to approach anybody and have a conversation so have some courage get out there eliminate that fear and just go for it? We’re not suggesting that you try to be somebody that you’re not or that you abandoned any cultural norms that you bring with with you honor those but at the same time that also will help you filter the kinds of affinity groups or opportunities that you avail yourselves because you don’t I don’t want to deliberately put yourself completely outside your comfort zone unless that’s something you normally do and I know people who love to get out of their comfort zone on a regular basis. Yes they do things with a group of people. They’ve never met or whatever because they get something out of that. They are in the minority. Really most people will be more comfortable with those that they they already know where they have commonalities. As I said we’ll get to that in a second. We do need to make a choice to get out of the comfort zone to go ahead and face that fear and it’s not that the fear isn’t normal or it isn’t real real or or even helpful. Actually it can be. We want to practice those skills that help us to reach past that so that we can get to the people that we need to talk to to set up those networks because we know so when you do the thing you fear. The death of fear is certain The number two of the four things is flock together. Often people come to newtown new city city new country. And what I’ve seen is they don’t realize they have this tool called linked in and even if they’re from out of the country. I haven’t seen anybody that could maybe identify at at least one person that went to the same college or one person that worked at the same company way back when well I have found that at least talking to the people from out out of this area whether that’s from a different part of the states or from another country I find it remarkable. How quickly people find someone from their home? I have not not yet met someone who is the only person in town from wherever they’re from. Maybe that’s just because I don’t know enough people seriously I I have yet to meet someone where there there isn’t another person from that home wherever that may be somewhere in proximity and so there are ways to find those people we do encourage people to find those as with those natural commonalities to start the conversations. What did you do to get more comfortable in this area? What challenges are you still facing even though Oh you’ve been here for X. amount of time it’s a natural conversation that is actually going to be really instructive on different things that you can do or things that you can avoid doing to get into your local community more effectively and you’ll have people who naturally support you in doing so because I’ve had a lot of interaction both when I sold real estate I helped a lot of folks from India and so my Indian clients selling real estate. And Those I’ve been coaching as a career coach. What I noticed is hey I know where the Indian grocery is I? I know the the restaurants are least the good ones right and the ones that they tell me to go right and there’s places of worship I mean. If that’s your thing you would be so surprised if you just took some effort to find a grocery arrest right or a place of worship if that’s your thing or not that’s up to you. They’re still going to be people there. Certainly only in the United States we are absolutely an international country I can think of three halal grocers all within in my local area to Indian. Grocer’s I know of three Asian groceries in the greater area all of these and when I go to these different in businesses I am the one.
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WHO’s the odd man out because I’m not free outsider? But I love the food so I by of course I’m also interacting with with all sorts of different people and I’m the type that when I go there they are looking at me. Like why are you here and not that they actually question it. They want to know the depth of my knowledge of what they’re selling. Obviously and I actually enjoy being the one to say. I don’t know anything about this helped me and they do and we build those has relationships. They’re also different places where you can go where you can discover those affinities quite by chance. I think about the liquor store that is closest to my home where we generally go most often and it’s a Middle Eastern family that owned said and we’re almost like family same thing for a restaurant restaurant in downtown Portland. We are regulars at this restaurant and their Lebanese and they treat us like we’re family any of these different places basis that you think of just in terms of Oh well I’m GonNa go enjoy food that from home or I’m going to go do this activity because it reminds me of of whatever group if you’re talking to the people who work there or who frequented often that you see these faces coming back that can happen at the gym and we’ve talked about that before different in places where you have those commonalities you have the same interests or similar goals strike up the conversations and let them know you know. I’m looking to expand expand my network. They will help you. The other thing I would suggest is if you go to to meet up dot com or what is it. Event right is one that we use in often. You can either to create your own or you can find a meet up for people around your area of affinity or interest and so that’s something we’ve always talked about probably have done a podcast or two. Yeah and mentioned some of those resources. So we’d encourage you certainly to download all the past episodes and binge those if you want to or pick and choose the different episodes that might apply to your a situation. I’ll also remind our listeners that we do have the book the net with the Anatomy of networking conversation. Once you find these groups then then go through the the book and remind yourselves of the different things you can do during those conversations so you really getting the most out of those conversations to to help you take your next steps. You can find the show notes in the resources at job. Seekers radio DOT COM forward slash zero seven five which will have the show notes for this this particular color episode Number three is leveraging. Your spouse’s relationship sent that would include significant other best friends. Whoever that those people that are closest closest to you whatever brought you to the area or whoever came with you if you know other people in the area have that person your spouse whoever it is introduce you to other people and then allow you to network beyond that one of the things that it’s sort of an aside? I think it’s really important for everyone to have their own friends. Not that they would share that with their significant other. It’s somebody that you can lean on other than your significant other to keep that networking conversation going. I know it takes us out of our comfort zone to do that. I have found that to be very helpful for both parties. Because neither of you feel like there’s a burden happening about getting the other person into a job. The experience that I’ve had with spouses specifically is that they come with the spouse the spouse’s working like like all they’re working unwanted bother them just getting rancher your on boarding there in kind of you know the ninety day probationary period or whatever you call it. They’re trying to get their feet wet at work. It really hesitant to leverage the relationships of their spouse and that’s understood and that’s totally understandable. That doesn’t mean that your spouse doesn’t run in circles for example with my Indian clients. I don’t know there’s probably eighty percent probability. They’re playing cricket okay. And the fact that they’re in a cricket league means that they have now personal connections or that you can leverage outside the office before we get too far out of the office one of the things that I think it’s important to remember. Is that when your spouse for example will just just keep on. Using this scenario your spouse is the one that brought you to the area and has a job and obviously is going to be working with and connecting with people. Well at work those other people want to get to know your spouse and so if your spouse is talking about you and the fact that you came together that you are looking to increase your your network. The chances are pretty good. That more than one person at your spouse says workplace will offer to say hey let me help or would at least be open to the idea of introducing both of you to their significant other and so people have a natural proclivity to help others. It’s one of the things that we can count on in human nature. It’s not inappropriate to leverage those to a certain degree to say yes. Let’s go ahead and make those connections John’s in my advice to someone who is new to the area.
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I’d say encourage your spouse to talk to his or her coworkers about you and about your interests and the things that you are interested in doing because they will be able to help you make those connections. Don’t assume that they don’t want to. They probably do and they don’t. I know how to bring it up. If you’re not asking for it just opened the door things will happen is amazing. How how many times you just knock on a door opens and things happen? If you don’t knock on the the door and the door doesn’t open the nothing will happen so the opposite is true. So the fourth thing to think about if you’re in a new town in new city new country is joining things. I think this is probably probably one of the most helpful things that you can do. And of course the gym comes up. I we’ve talked about it so I won’t Belabor it the idea that when they see you day after day after day they begin to trust you not because of anything that you may have said or done with them prior. It’s because they trust you to show up that’s different from the person that they once. If you walk up somebody you’ve never seen before they’ve never seen you and you try to strike up a conversation. I’m not suggesting that’s not going to be successful zestful if they’ve seen you fifteen times before it’s probably going to feel much more natural joining things especially like Jim. It can really help. Start the conversation simply because they’ve seen you especially if you join up for a special class and there’s a group and it’s Kinda captive setting maybe doing yoga just using that as an example apple. I think that’s the case before and after those kind of group classes to say. Hey let’s go grab a coffee or hey let’s go get some lunch or or extend. We’re here can you think of another group classes. Acid I should be taking a expand my my strengthen the corners and start out the conversation. And how long have you been doing this. Have you been going to other places to do this whether it’s racket ball or or yoga or good example any of the classes and you can talk about. It seems that you have a great capacity for this. You have quite quite an ability of. How did you get there and striking up? These conversations. Remember that the experience of that class or that activity also also helps to bond and I know spoken about tour groups for example where something big happens and they end up staying friends for life. The same sort of thing happens opens here where you build those relationships because you’re doing something together. It’s not just that you see each other but you’re actually participating together for a similar goal or at least to make it through that class and this is now your fourth class together. We’ll speaking of classes. You can also sign up for a class at the community college or a free session at the library are- or whatever that is join class where you know there’s going to be people and maybe it’s around an area of interest that you have similar to joining an association the local the chapter if you’ve already been connected with a trade association of some kind of those where you have a seminar and often these these different learning activities whether it’s at the library. Whatever they’re going to ask you to turn to the person next to you and have this conversation? You now have somebody that you can start the neck. Networking working conversation with is so the other thing is tells masters and I know that Cleon has a spouse this a lot I do too. That toastmasters is a great way to get your feet wet with communication here in the united estates if it’s a new country for you there’s always people there because you know what it’s not toastmasters unless you’re speaking right in front of an audience. I’ve talked to people and I will also admit to actually saying this. That public speaking is something that I’m already doing. And so the question is why would I go toastmasters and I will admit that you still hill can build your skills even if you’re an accomplished speaker. The idea isn’t so much that it’s going to transform you into wonderful public speaker. Although that may be true through this is really about getting together with people who are interested in doing the same things together and in this case it’s talking about public speaking. It is any affinity the group where you’re working together you’re having conversations with people and when you’re not talking about the task at hand you’re going to be getting to know each other. Here’s yet another way you to join something where you’re going to build those commonalities therefore building relationships and being able to expand your network and I haven’t been to a toastmasters club yet that didn’t and have somebody there that was in leadership and willing to help you and they find out that you need a job in. They’re willing to help you. Prepare for an interview or inept Dushi to some folks. I’m hook you up with the local resources that are available or job seekers. That’s just normal in a certainly we recognize that the traditional job search is probably something something you’re gonna be doing. You’re likely to be looking for jobs online and making applications going through interviews So don’t ignore that side of it right there. Those are the natural troll things that people do all the time and when we say the top four things you can do. We’re not talking about the only four things you can do to your point. We expect you’re GonNa be going through this anyway but these are the top four things that we find are most helpful that are beyond just getting the applications out there.
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It’s things that you have control over it’s Ways for you to build a network. I mean there’s so many things that you can do when you come to a new place. We’re trying to narrow it down to those things that we think have multiple values right and the most potential. The job search here in the United States might be a little bit different than what you’re used to and that’s going to be true from one side of this country to the other one in different brain from one company regents absolutely from one recruiter to another from one. Data doesn’t change that much. Yeah these are going to be different. Aren’t and exploring. The differences actually can help you in multiple ways. Don’t be afraid of those differences. Lean into it. You’re mentioning Yoga at the beginning of the concepts that I came away with early in my yoga practice is leaning into the challenge and how that simple concept granted definitely applies to your Yoga no-go class. It also applies to every other challenge. You have in life if it’s dealing with traffic if it’s finding the work whatever it is lean into it really stay grounded go out of your comfort zone do new things but don’t be afraid to try something new while you’re working within your realm whether that’s is your affinity group or whatever just a reminder we still have for you a free resource. It’s called the anatomy of a network in conversation. And let me tell you what this is. This is actually in e-book it’s free to you only have to do is go to the website jobseeker’s radio DOT com. It’s right on the homepage. You can also get the show notes in resources at job. Seekers radio DOT COM forward slash zero seven five. We mentioned that earlier and this book is not only in the book. It’s an opportunity for you to have the companion audio episodes from the podcast that are associated with that same series. Exactly we want to thank everybody for listening to this episode of Job Seekers Radio Your investment of time and attention and is really appreciated head over to itunes that link also is in the show notes on your mobile device. They’re the IPHONE. I guess it could be an iphone because that’s where I would. I everyday expects but if you hit the link there on your iphone in whatever podcast APP you’re using it’ll take you right over to itunes and you can leave a rate which is one step in the second step. The is a review in each time. You do one of those things. It really helps. Spread the message of what we’re trying to accomplish here on job seekers radio and that is to make this the single best resource source for job seekers on the interwebs. We also encourage you to subscribe to get future podcasts. And then to continually provide US feedback. If you have questions questions that are coming up. We enjoy the question and answer episodes that we do. So please send those are way as well and you can find those job seekers radio website as well well with the show notes and resources. Why Andrew and I’m Scott in the words of Jack Kerouac Olive? Life is a foreign country. Love it thanks everybody bye.
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Scott and Andrew discuss the top career assumptions that can impact your career negatively.
Top 10 Worst Assumptions: 1. Leaders will see your performance and promote you for doing a good job. 2. Your coworkers have the same values that you do. 3. Everyone works just as hard as you do. 4. Don’t need to learn anything new to be successful. 5. No one knows more than you do. 6. Everyone communicates the same way you do. 7. The norms of work-life will remain constant under new leadership. 8. The reason that your career isn’t where you want it to be has nothing to do with you. 9. A company won’t layoff or terminate your employment because you are “too valuable.” 10. That people trust you.
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locum job seekers radio. I’m Andrew and I’m Scott this production this podcast is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support support to find great careers faster. And that’s whether you’re working or not. Today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. This is an e book doc. A free resource that we’ve created and you can download it at job. Seekers radio DOT COM do it today. Don’t miss out. Don’t Miss Today’s episode. We’re talking talking about a very common situation. That comes up the ten worst assumptions you can make in your career and this is coming from combined. Work Experience no no say accounting. Yeah I have. We have a lot of experience and making these worst assumptions. We leave and and I wish I could say that I don’t anymore Is Part of the human. I’m an experience. We do make assumptions and sometimes they don’t lead us where we think they should. We want to go over a list of things that we think are the most those common and probably the worst assumptions that we can make when we get into conversations whether that’s in an interview in a networking conversation in a work conversation. You’re on the job and maybe you’re having an important conversation with someone else. Then again. It may be what you think is an unimportant conversation that might lead somewhere. These are assumptions that we have made. Generally we would agree that these were trip. Everybody up and it’s not like we’re not still making some of these assumptions. We’re we’re just articulating these to actually speak to ourselves as well as we go through our careers to make sure that we’re taking consideration of all of them and not assuming assuming that we aren’t going to have an assumption we do we will always. How do we minimize the impact? That some of these assumptions have and and if we can avoid these that we’re gonNA be talking about. I think it’s going to help get us to where we WANNA be. The first assumption is assuming others will see your performance and you’ll be offered a promotion because of it. We all hope for that. We are working in a culture where hard work pays off. That’s that’s the myth and for a lot of people that actually works. There’s more to it than just hard work. We want to make sure that people have their eyes wide open to all of the things that happen. We talk about politics at work. Nobody really likes. I can’t say nobody. Few people really enjoy the politics at work. Many people have figured out how to navigate it. I’m reminded of when I first came out of college. I got my first job out of college at a Columbia Sportswear and it was a company any. I really wanted to have a long career with and I made an assumption that if I worked hard kept my nose to the grindstone right. Did good work and that people would see. See it and put me into a slot and say hey you know. If you’re going to consider somebody for that position you should look at Andrew and that never happened at least not for coming and then when it got to the point where that position came open and I wanted and I applied for it they said I wasn’t qualified so the interesting thing is even though that I knew I can do the job. They were aware of any of the things that I had done. And so many times we hear people say oh well. I don’t want to toot my own horn or for. I don’t want to sound conceited. Will you can take that too far if you never to your own Horn and you never talk to people about your accomplishments the things that you are able to do especially when it comes to learning and growing in your career. They’re not going to think about learning and growing in your career. Who else is going to speak up for you? If you’re not going to speak up for yourself one of the things that I think about when you were talking is what do you call it. When you withhold the truth? Oh well that would be a lie of omission right so so if you have the truth inside of you should not share with somebody. I like that perspective. Yeah that’s how I look at. I encourage all my clothes coaching clients to do that have taught me me work hard. You’ll be recognized. Always be humble. Don’t talk about yourself. All these things that fall under the category of manners and they’re still that’s not to you say you shouldn’t follow those ideas and think it was a silent cynic talk about leadership needing humility and there are a couple of others that have talked about that. But I’m pretty sure it was signed that that was the one that I was watching at the time An interview that he had given where humility is the sort of the linchpin for leadership. But you can be humble while still letting people know about the things that have worked for you and that where the achievements that you have been able to make that brings us to the second worst assumption option you can make in your career and that is assuming your boss your manager your leader. Whoever it is? Your coworker has the same values. You have he professionally speaking.
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Of course well regardless I would say that no human being has exactly the same values that I have now. The advantage of working in an organization where where values are a part of the culture meaning that they are stated they are aligned. All of the behaviors within the company are supposed to fall in the Guidelines of those values that makes it a little easier but we’re talking about categories or some broad generalizations for those values but every single individual is going to have their own set of values based on a plethora of factors and none of them are going to be the same so making the assumption that somebody values the same things just because we’re working the same organization or on the same team. Doing the same kind of work is a huge mistake. I think of one of the clients on coaching at a local organization here very large one by away and I keep thinking about you know this idea of leadership and she’s going into this interaction saying this is leadership. What I’m getting from? My leader or is not leadership. It’s something else and that’s where you come into situations where you have conflict and we would not encourage you to get into a conflict without some productive reductive positive outcome to process speaking specifically values had. I’ll never forget the conversation. I had many years ago with a director director with whom I worked several years prior to that and I was complaining to her about this exact scenario where I had a boss who. Let’s just say the successes assesses that she achieved didn’t seem to be tied to her actual work and I was going into some detail with my director friend who stopped opt me and told me but Scott. She’s doing what heard leaders value. They just value something different. And that was an important moment in my professional career was to realize that I’m not necessarily aligned with these individuals specific values. It was a learning moment for me. Learning is the key to success in today’s market now is the third assumption. You can make is assuming everyone works as hard as you. Yeah and there’s the other side of that the assumption that no one works as hard as you both of them were talking about hyperbole really and it’s like saying always always or never neither of those has ever true there’s always some gray area. Everything is shades of gray. If the idea is that you work really hard be be sure that people know that you work really hard. Just you shouldn’t be wearing this as some kind of badge of honor because you’re not the only one who works that hard. They’re probably are people who are working harder than you. And so how do you deal with that. Well if I find out that there’s somebody who works harder than me how do I emulate them. How can I work with them? especially those who work really hard and are getting noticed. What’s the secret sauce there? How can I learn how to make that secret sauce? It boils down to your definition initiative of hard work and everybody’s definition’s going to be different sure is I’ve heard of. I haven’t met this person yet of leaders that are like the twenty eighty four seven version of a manager right. There are sending you emails at two o’clock in the morning expecting a response. They’re working every weekend right there. The twenty four four seven leader and they think they have to do that in order to be perceived as an effective leader. Or they’re telling you because they used to do your work. This is the one that seems to Dr everyone crazy as it seems to be universal. They’ve done your work so they they will tell you how to do your work. And they don’t understand that they have just shifted into micromanagement. Went and I have yet to meet the worker. Who wants to be micromanaged now? There are some who actually use that in their favor so they don’t have to do the critical thinking. We’re going to set those aside side the idea that your you work harder than everyone else or that. Everyone works as hard as you were really coming back to the idea that people have different values they have different indefinite of success. In to your point they have different definitions of what hard work really is rather than making the judgment between them. Let’s learn what works six. What is it about that? Person’s work the one that you think has had success. What have they done that you have done that? You have the things that you have not done. What is that combination a nationwide? Can you learn from them because if you have if you start out with the sense of curiosity you’re probably going to get a lot. Further than living in that state of hyperbole only that brings us to the fourth assumption. PD backing on what Scott said. And that’s assuming you don’t need to learn anything to be successful right huge mistake. Take Huge Mistake. I’ve got all sorts of stories on this I’ll try not to talk too much As if that would happen. No I two stories come to mind instantly. The first one was talking talking with a very good friend of mine who actually is a consultant in and does leadership coaching himself. He was telling me a story about Out negotiating with a business leader.
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Who Basically told him? Oh No I don’t need this development but I want you to train my people and I’m here to tell tell you that doesn’t work if the senior leader is not in the trenches with his people learning with them and sponsoring that learning opportunity with a sense of accountability accountability and mutual learning and growth. And all that It’s not going to work. And so he told this guy okay just write a check. I’ll bank it and we’ll call it debt and the leader looked cut him funny. He said if you don’t participate in the learning you’re wasting everyone’s time and I don’t want to waste my time. I’ll just take the check and run and of course. He was escorted handed out the door. His point was if you’re not learning you’re not leading and there are others stat. Tell that story as well. I have some some quotes on that on my own website. There’s also a situation of my client companies that I’m currently working for. It was really interesting to me. I was asked to do some training specifically play on style preferences for the Organization and rolling this out to the group and one of his managers had suggested that the level of leadership over him when benefit from this so I contacted them and his leader told me he’s already been through the basics and he didn’t need it fast forward three months data leader was was let go because he wasn’t growing with the organization. It’s sort of. Here’s real life example of if you’re not learning you’re not leading and the assumption assumption that he didn’t have to learn anything more at least on this topic. The thing is that an indicator of actually his attitude it ended that part of his career career. And it could end your career to whether you’re leader or not right if you allow yourself to atrophy. That muscle is not going to be effective. If you want to me well how should on style. Well how do you stay up to date exactly you know. Here’s the thing. Is that the skills required to be successful. Ten years ago aren’t always as skilled successful today. So what’s going to be needed in ten years if you’re not growing with whatever it is that you’re working with. How are you going to be ready? I mean I think my dad that way. He was a civil level engineer and he was a big drafting. Kinda Guy Right. He had that big drafting table. You know the pencils and erasers and the slide rule I mean everything thing manual sure and then autocad came on the scene right so now I have cad computer. Aided drawing program that does all this stuff for me he wasn’t willing to learn that -Tario And he became irrelevant now. It’s also interesting when when you think about Assuming you don’t need to learn anything there’s also the aspect that assuming assuming that what you learned in the past isn’t going to help you and then we sort of shift the tables to getting back to basics. The work that I do specifically is about getting back to the basics of human interaction. And how that doesn’t change. It’s the tools we use that changes as I work with organizations on Skilling up employees because that organization knows that. There’s a subset that they’re not going to be relevant anymore. But they don’t want to lose their employees. So how do we build their skills. Also that they’re ready for the next iteration of work that they’re doing. This is the kind of thing that we’re an organization that is smart enough to realize that they have to skill up out there people for the future. Those people actually have a fighting chance to stay relevant. But how do you do that on your own. Well the idea that you don’t have to learn anything new you to stay where you need to be. That’s going to be the first thing you want to jettison. Get rid of that idea. Keep learning and there are so many examples out there of top hop leaders in business top leaders. I think in just about anything. It could be something outside of business. One of the key things that they keep talking about is this thing. Never stop learning that brings us to the next assumption and that is assuming everybody has the same information or the same available information or or. I guess this could be. No one knows more than you. You’re the subject matter expert. I think that’s a good position to be in. It’s not where I would want to live all the time I because that means I’m not growing there’s also another side of that. The the idea that someone should know something that may or may not be true. I think where I liked to get people to start with this. Assumption is what is happening right now. Okay so maybe you do more no more then a lot of other people and I think about someone. I know. I’m actually related to him. Who knows a lot about a lot of things but he also is completely devoid of empathy? And so there’s a lack of self awareness there and the idea that he knows more than so many other people and he actually knows what to do with that information. That’s great for him he. He’s been very successful in his career. He makes more money than Moses. An amazing how good his life is now. I would be really interested to find out if he actually considers itself happy because not all his behavior says he has the idea that he assumes that he knows more puts him in a certain certain box and people talk about as being something of a Prima Donna and being a know it all and that’s not necessarily where I would want to be.
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There’s also the side that okay. Hey everybody else knows more than me and does that. Put me in a situation where I’m approaching everything that I’m not enough that also in. Yeah that is a liability ability on unto itself. If we also made the mistake of assuming that the person that I’m talking to should know something we can open a door that we didn’t didn’t really intend to open and that has also happened to me. That’s often when you get stuck in your in your own mind or your own work and you assume somebody around you. You can see what you’re doing right and the objective. And maybe they were. Maybe you assume they were even copying on an email. Not only that. But you’re assuming they actually read it. The experience I’ve had most often was having a conversation with someone that we were talking about. Leadership Skills and what it would take to build that person’s division in terms of how to get people people moving along to overcome the problems they were having it specific branches of their business that sort of thing and so she put me in touch with her leader. It was basically an interview where she was talking to me about value that I might be able to bring the organization and I assumed that she had the same knowledge as the person who had introduced me to her and and in fact I was mistaken. She did not have that knowledge and instead of exploring the information that I had given her she was more afraid trade of how she might look bad if I were to come in with an understanding of other aspects of her company any totally blew up in my face because I made the assumption that she should know the same thing as hurt subordinate and that was a problem. So what did I learn from this test. My assumptions I ask for clarification. Asking questions makes a huge difference because I had a similar experience. But it’s because I got a new leader and they assumed that I knew all of the things that they talked about the last year ear as regards to policy and execution of coaching. And I didn’t I didn’t have any of that information. And so instead of her coming and saying hey well what don’t you know. Here’s what you have to do. That brings us to the sixth assumption and that is assuming everyone communicates the way you do right. I do a lot of work in this space around style. Preference Communication preferences the whole interaction preferences. The model that I use is disk and there are a lot of brands of disc Out there but I do a lot of work with organizations on this and it really ties into what had happened to me with The leader that I was talking about this is true of all of us in terms terms of our instinct communication. We assume that everyone thinks and communicates the way we do that. Everyone approaches life. The way we do yes. There will be some differences that we can have an intellectual awareness about but we still approach things based on our own way of thinking and communicating. This is basically where conflict lick begins. Because I’m going to judge myself by my intentions and I’m going to judge others by their behaviors and I will judge their behaviors based on what I would be thinking or feeling if I were to do or say the same thing. Well that’s the first problem bringing coming back to the example that I just talked about this this leader or who didn’t know what her subordinates. New I also expected that she would communicate with me the way I understood her style preference to be. Because she is the influential windchill type and she’s very enthusiastic and very positive. What I’ve failed to remember in that moment was how she behaves at work is different for whatever reasons and I won’t go into the reasons why I think she does behave the way she does? She took what I had to say in a way that would be different for her her if she were to say the same things or to bring up the topics that I brought up if she were to do it she would be thinking or feeling something very different and what I lacked act in. That moment was a recognition of her responses to the information that I was giving I was just giving her information I thought she already knew I was just confirming. That was my mistake steak and she probably gave me some communication cues that I missed granted. It was over the phone I still. I miss them because I was assuming that I had read her correctly in terms of her communication style about her values about all these things instead what I have been able to do since that conversation because I still have some interaction with her. I’ll be a distant. It has been really instructive for me because now I can approach her in a more correct way if you will certainly more effective effective way and still be authentic that brings us to assumption number seven assuming the norms and the accepted work practices that you’re involved in stay consistent when you get a new leader or even a new team member.
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Oh that is a good point. I’m working right now. With an organization that has a new senior vice vice president coming into a large division. Actually this is the third one. I think they’ve had just within the last six months. So we’ve seen some huge turnover among senior leaders as well as a middle managers. Heaven only knows what has been going on with their their frontline employees. They’ve been dealing with a lot of change at the highest levels and so the idea that that new leader is going to come in and simply pick up where they left off is a huge mistake huge mistake. Because there’s there’s a reason why the old leader isn’t there. There’s a reason why this new leader was brought. And it’s probably not to maintain the status quo. This is where it requires a little heightened awareness ernest on your side to not assume that that leader in the norms that you remember were valid are going to continue and that means you need to make sure you confirm take some extra steps meet with your new leader understand what the new norms might look like moving forward right and make sure that you know what those are before you start down the path of continuing with the norms that were and then you run against the norms. That should be right and you have a problem and I also think about how this applies to. Those who aren’t in an organization mutation are not currently working. And they’re looking for work if you know who the leader used to be. Don’t assume that the practices that that leader the former leader had are currently currently in play under new leadership. I can think about an organization that I actually under customer but I happen to have some contacts within the organization. Shen where I know that they have a new head of HR and so just a people side of their business has shifted rather dramatically just in the last few months since the new HR are person came on once again. If you know that there’s been a change don’t assume that what used to be true is still true things may be changing and that may actually actually be your opportunity to move into a really good position and where your skills can shine. Always keep your head on a swivel. Yeah always keep your earthly the not on the Pike. Yeah exactly well you want to be there that brings us to assumption number eight assuming that your career isn’t where it’s supposed to be isn’t about you. Let’s unpack that a little bit. The idea that your career isn’t where it’s supposed to be all right. This brings us back to what we were talking about. Someone should know. Oh something there are. No should don’t should yourself yeah it gets messy. Don’t go there so when you’re thinking about where my my career is supposed to be. What really matters is where you are? What are you dealing with right now and I come back to Eckert toll? I and I know that that he became popular after Oprah talked about the power of now it actually was a really good book for me to read it resonated a lot when I came away with is you can’t do anything about where you are versus your goal role without addressing. What is happening right now? Because that’s the only thing that matters what’s happened in the past yes you can learn from it. That’s the part that matters. But that’s what you carry in the now. What happens in the future? It hasn’t happened yet. There’s nothing you can do about it other than what you’re doing right now if your career isn’t where you wanted it to be that’s a different thought. Don’t don’t go to the place of where it’s supposed to be because now you’re shooting. I should be somewhere. Well accept the fact that you aren’t now you can move on onto whether or not it’s all about you. This is where ownership comes in. We need to own where we are right now. We need to own the path up until today today and yes there may have been some influences that enchanted us. There’s no doubt about that. Take ownership of what today is giving you and decide. Where do I want to go in the future and make that adjustment and if you can do that ownership is really something that I would encourage everybody or the word responsibility? I’m responsible for my career. I’m taking ownership of my career. I am the arbiter. The agent of change coming back to the idea of hyperbole. The always are never. I really really struggle to help people who say oh well. It’s always about me. I’m the common denominator in all of these failures. So that must mean blank. No it doesn’t it. It’s never an always situation. Isn’t that kind of irony. There the idea though is yes. There are elements that you played into. And that’s the the part that you own. That’s where the responsibility comes in. But there are things outside your control as well so then you moved to the other side. Oh well it’s people succeed only because of the brakes that they’re given no that’s not true either. It’s not only the opportunities that they faced. It’s really a combination of the two. Am I in this position. Now because I’ve lacked breaks. Wchs well yeah maybe in some cases but it’s also based on some of the choices that I’ve made now is it completely based on the choices I made some people say yes I oh I think there’s an element of chance involved in the world.
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The chance of getting those breaks one percent of actors and I think that might even be generous. One percent of actors really become household names one percent that means ninety nine percent. Never do but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t successful in their careers that they they weren’t really good actors. It just means that they didn’t have quite the same combination of breaks decisions all those other things. Some of it is on the other side. This says where I think it really pays to avoid blaming. Oh thank blaming somebody else blaming yourself blaming your circumstance ask blaming the world or the political leader of the day that you don’t like here’s the thing just the blame much like assumptions blaming doesn’t do anything conductive it doesn’t I find it to be counterproductive it slows you down. It takes your focus health. What you need it on? And that’s anything. Blame is the most counterproductive active effort. You’ll ever make so instead. What can you learn from it? How can you grow? That brings us to assumption number nine. Assuming accompany won’t fire air layoff. Terminate your employment just because you’re invaluable. Oh yeah or indispensable. That’s great their PROMS for that. Let’s just take for a moment. The idea that you are Are indispensable it you put yourself in a situation where you are the only person who can bring the value you bring to your organization. I have serious red flags flying in my head when I meet these types and they do exist. My first question is how on earth can can you move on with your career. If that’s your status that you are the only one who can do what you can do because there will come a day when that is no longer relevant. And you’re setting yourself up for that moment of suddenly being Willy Loman and not being able to move on with the world who has left you behind behind big big red flags of around being that indispensable but it also means that you can never take a vacation you can never take time off you can never be As good of a leader as you might be by developing the people around you. There’s just so much wrong with that picture. Well the think regardless of your circumstance that that any company isn’t gonNA fire layoff or terminate. You is foolish. Thanking every company has a situation where they might be going through some financial. WHOA I’m I’m not after the motivations of a layoff and I may not agree with it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or it’s not reality because coach these people every day? I know there’s people out there that felt felt like. Hey I was with this company. Twenty twenty five thirty years. I gave them my heart soul. I have their logo tattooed on my my backside. Whatever that looks like okay? They’re that big of a fan for our listeners. He pointed to his arm. When I’m suggesting is is you can take it too far that hey I’m such a big Fan as this organization they they would never do that to me and to make that matter? Even worse is when you’re working for a company that says Oh that’s not our culture we don’t lay people off. Oh my goodness yes they do. I’m working with an organization that that is their motto albeit unprinted. They tell people all the time. Oh we’re not the type to lay people off. They do. We’ll just fire them. That’s not allow right. No I mean termination however you WANNA define it. The idea that you’re making the assumption that that you will not be laid off is a dangerous one because when the day comes when you or your colleague is it will change the way you view your company opening and you can prevent that by having an open mind and open is all of the time. That doesn’t mean that you have to become cynical. It doesn’t mean that you have to be distrustful distrustful. It does mean that you have to approach this that there are going to be times when the worst does happen. And you have to ask yourself if you’re prepared for it. The flip side sided that one. Though Scott is the idea that you’re completely dispensable to person who’s indispensable and the one that never thinks they’re good enough completely dispense so that we talked a little bit about that before but this is really where it comes into play the person who thinks that. Oh well I don’t have enough value to offer the organization as a manager manager or a leader. How do I get that person? Engaged enough to really be of value and they may have good reason they may they may have some reason for are feeling that they’re self-doubt takes over okay. I’m not going to suggest that those who deal with anxiety or depression or some of these other things that that really do play the real part of the workplace that they don’t have real reasons for having those feelings and that they can suddenly just talk themselves out of it I don’t mean to cast a net Over all of that but what I am suggesting is for those who approach their work that they are never good enough. They probably wouldn’t have been hired if they weren’t good enough. Let’s let’s change that conversation to talk about where they are good enough.
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What does that look like and to work on that sense of self confidence because they do bring bring value to their work they do bring value perspective their history? The things that they’ve learned all of this can be used to their advantage and the advantage of the organization Asian they were can that’s really self-defeating situation that we need to help them through that because that can then lead to. Oh I’m assuming things will never get it better. Rhyme assuming there’s nothing this is the end right and then you’re like okay. How can it really get? This also plays into those who have been unemployed for a while especially the long-term longterm unemployed. I you know I’m an employable. Well that’s not true. Either you’re currently in a situation that you need some new perspectives. So what does that look like. And maybe baby bearing them up with the people who think they’re indispensable. I don’t know there needs to be a balance here. The advice that I would give someone in that situation especially in the dark place is is to say. Let’s have you talked to people who can talk about the value that you do bring and to build yourself up. From that point of view I would also give the the advice to say for instance a leader who thinks that they know more than everyone else or that they are in fact indispensable. Let’s talk about. How Oh you would prepare for that scenario of where you aren’t relevant anymore? What do we need to do in that case? And it’s not because you’re bad on either side of that. It’s how are you growing and are you too protective of your work and are you unwilling to hand some of that work off to somebody else so that you can take a vacation right right so as as a leader. I want to be able to see my team Pricey. Where’s the hurt? Where can I make better something? That’s not as it should be and that approach will also help you. If you’re the one in the dark place that how can I help others. Because that’s generally speaking an easy way to get out of that. Dark place is to start helping others. I well let’s get out of that dark place right now right with the tenth and final assumption assumption number ten assuming that people trust you and the flipside ride assuming that people don’t wow so where do you go from there. I mean I mean that right. Now we’re you know I’m not going to disclose too much but the leader that I was following at my company company had a medical event. And he’s no longer in the workplace okay and so someone is filling in for that person and this person. I don’t trust because I don’t know. Oh them right. The person that left complete one hundred percent trust or pretty close to right. So what do you do in that situation. You have to start over again and I think that’s true you also of those whom you distrust that you have a real reason not to trust. They are still good things that can come of that. It’s just going in with eyes wide open and I think that’s true on both sides of this coin at everyone trusts you or that. No one trusts you. Walk into every interaction with your eyes wide open and thinking thing about how can you serve the person in front of you whether that’s a leader a subordinate whomever how can I be of service to the person that I am currently dealing with because if I have that approach and with my eyes wide open to see how am I impact on this person. How are they responding? What are their values? And I’m not going to make a judgment on the first conversation either the first interaction I want to start watching for patterns. What are the values that this person holds through through their behavior? How am I validated ing than understanding those values well and accurately? How am I able to provide service to this person person within the realm of my work? But how am I able to help that person. I want to think about how how I’m landing how. I’m impacting how what I bring to. The table can be impactful to the observant of the other person. What patterns are there? How can I adapt my communication style L. or the way I talk about certain things whatever that is I wanNA make sure that? I’m not making assumptions. That trust has been established quickly or that trust cannot be established quickly. I want to be able to read what’s happening right now. And Watch for patterns over time just because you have or don’t have trust doesn’t I mean you can’t give trust meaning there’s things like you said you approach the situation and you give the trust with your eyes open. Think of it that way. If you’re giving trust what is that look like you know you give something to somebody else without expectation of return or volunteer. Do a project when you know they’re overworked right so there’s things that you can do. That will make you feel good about making a contribution or without having trust and so that’s where you might take some ownership at the situation and just because is you don’t have trust doesn’t mean you can’t perform no. I totally agree with you. And I think about the the concept that whatever you put out there is mirrored back to you and we think of this often then in terms of leadership and of course this comes through in my leadership.
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Coaching all the time that it is incumbent upon the leader to show trust. I and I don’t remember to whom the quotas attributed but the idea that the only way to make someone trustworthy is to trust him. There’s there’s an element of Truth Matt. So I- talking to leaders about trusting in their people and they will get trusts in return. That’s not unique to leaders. I will do that with my leader to reveal certain feelings or be vulnerable to a certain point. I don’t Overdo it. I don’t reveal too much or I try not to but I will at least establish a certain level of vulnerability so hopefully hopefully I will get that back. And in showing up time after time in authentic and open way the likelihood that the other person will show Woah similarly is increased because they want report and acceptance. Sure just like you do so. That’s IT folks. That’s the ten worst assumptions. You can make I think in your career we helped this has brought value to your interactions moving forward if you want to follow up with us to get some more specific information action about the situation you’re currently in. We’ve got a way to do that. First of all go to job seekers radio DOT COM forward slash zero seven four. And and you’ll be able to see the show notes and all of the resources available for this topic on the ten worst suctions and at the same time. Go down to the bottom. And you’ll see a free resource and that’s the anatomy of a networking conversation. It’s an e book that’s got knives put together with companion audio. We did this series of podcasts. On the topic you can certainly go. Listen to those on on our website links and the resources are in a single document for your easy use in application -cation so ahead and go to the website. Download that our free gift to you. So with that said you’ll also be able to give us some feedback and that’s where if you Have something you want us to talk about in a future podcast than answers. The questions based on what. We’ve just discussed today. Please send us that information. You can find that on our website you can also go to itunes and you can subscribe to get future episodes. You can also leave us a review and in that review. ooh That’s another way for you to get feedback to ask US questions to let us know what’s on your mind. We are committed to making this a single greatest job seeking podcast on the Internet. We’ll want your help and doing that too. That’s why we need your help with topics questions anything on your mind right now. Guess what someone else probably has that same in question. That’s right and a lot of what we do comes from that so with that said I’m Scott and I’m Andrew in the words of Mark. Parker curiosity is life. Assumption is deaf. Thanks everybody bye bye.
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welcome to job seekers radio. I’m Andrew and I’m Scott. This production is meant to provide meaningful support to fight great careers faster eastern whether you’re working or not today’s episode is brought to you by the anatomy of never came conversation. It’s an e book a free resource to download at job seekers radio DOT COM in. It’s our free gift to you. Today’s episode we’re talking about the number one hidden secret of career success. Yes there are a lot of ways to look at success I remember in my youth feeling that as an actor or the only measurement measurement of success would be that Academy award or a Tony Award. Whatever that might look like and I remember hearing someone say no it really is just winning? Whatever it is? You’re going for whether that’s a specific part whether that is getting a paid gig being just voice talent whatever that might be that all of these are measures of success and I remember totally dismissing that Of course I was also in my teens and probably lacked any life experience audience to be able to make a judgment on in the first place so as we talk about hidden secrets we really do. Come back to the idea that it could be something. That’s really right in front of you. It’s amazing how when we look at our careers and we think about success. We’re always looking for the easy way. The the path of least resistance for getting to the path of least resistance. Maybe it takes a little effort. But I’M GONNA make it too easy street right. Something that does require effort On any of our parts and and really when we talk about the tools available accessible to us in career and we talk about success the first one. That always comes up with anybody buddy. I coach is the resume and we talk about success for resume. What does that look like? We have spoken on resumes a lot and we always come back to the idea that the best way to judge a resume is to use the one that works the one that gets you calls. And that was advice that I got from a Recruiter and head hunter that I had turned to to ask we what works for you and she turned that around on me. Well what works for you. What gets you the calls? That’s the one you should use. Her point in the larger conversation was to try a lot of them. Use the works trial and error improve. Always always look for ways to attract an interview through that method Shurmur that document. We do want the resume in this case to be interesting to let people know what you have done. Most importantly the value you brought in whatever it is that you had done. So that’s why they talk about accomplishment so if you’re on the sales side what what kind of sales percentages were you dealing with you know. Put the numbers in there. You make it recognizable for the people that you’re sending the resume too so they can see. There is value behind the accomplishments or the tasks that you were responsible for one of the reasons you may actually be on this podcast right now is is perhaps your resume is not working for you and that is a way to determine whether or not to move to another method sure in the method. We often advocate. And you can probably see that from virtually. All of the episodes we’ve put together is networking. And when we look and talk about success when it comes to networking what are we really talking about to use the resume analogy. I like to think of. It is a snapshot at my experience. So if that’s all I’m giving people as I’m networking king really. That’s about meeting New People talking to people that may be able to give me information advice and all of that. It’s not just a one and done thing. It’s not like the resume Somme where they say. Oh well can I have your resume. You handed to him than you think you’re done. No there’s still work that needs to be done one of the things that they can help you do as your networking is to you. Say whether or not this resume would be something they respond to. Does this actually trigger their interest and it gives you something else to talk about the idea of having a project to work on where you’re asking people for Information and advice. The resume can be that project as you’re looking at networking. It works the same way. You have to to do the things that actually bring results okay. What results are you looking for? The first thing that Andrew you and I deal with in terms of the conversations that we have with job seekers is going to group events whether that’s a job fair or an association trade show or any one of these common networking groups. oops I have spoken to a number of people who say yeah. I’ve done that. Didn’t work for me. Wooded how did you approach it and what were you hoping to get out of it. Exactly how do you measure success zest and another thing that they fall into is that’s the only kind of networking they do. So they’re out they’re going to the groups they go to a lot of groups but they’re not trying to get any deeper and in some cases they’re actually when pressed they will admit it.
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They’re actually looking for ways to disqualify group networking and as avenue and the president makes them uncomfortable comfortable or they’ve made up their minds already that for whatever reason that it’s not going to work so if they’re looking for reasons why networking isn’t going to work group. Networking isn’t going to work. They’re going to find that and instead it brings us back to what our mentor clan has talked what about in his group is to one of the three key points to get out there and learn something. Well if every single group that you go to is an opportunity to learn something okay. So this one didn’t work. What did you learn what happened in? That event didn’t work for you. Why didn’t it work for you? And that’s really the information and as I’m talking to people say oh well never does work for me why you could say the same about individual nats right is that people go into one on one situation and they come into with best of intention and their intention doesn’t always get them what they want which they assume might be an interview so they’ll bring their resume they’ll sit down with somebody and say hey you’re working had a great company where I see an open position. Here’s my resume. And then it doesn’t work I say networking doesn’t work because I approached it from that perspective and the outcome outcome were really looking for is as you mentioned Scott Learn something maybe get some advice or direction or even get introduced to somebody else now. If invitation for an interview comes in was that really the success I was looking for and you don’t set yourself up for success if we have unrealistic expectation. That’s absolutely true. You also also won’t see this if you enter without an open mind because I would say just look at it from from an artist. Point of view talked to any painter. I personally do glass art photographers. You name it whatever. The the art form is often we get our best successes through mistakes through things that didn’t work out the way we expected them to Specifically with glass art. I’ve come up with some of my nicest pieces because what I was actually going for. It didn’t work. And so I take that and I make it into something something else that ends up being better than what I had already had in mind. Networking is no different. If I go to a networking event and I’m not getting the outcome that I wanted and let’s say just because is this is something that that is a nice starting point. I’m going to meet three New People in this networking event. I’ve never met them before. I’m going to have a meaningful conversation with whatever that looks like right. I I’d say that’s a good approach to a networking event. And maybe I only talked to one person. Does that mean I have not succeeded because I have reached a goal that I walked in with the answer or is yes. It is in fact a failure if I learned nothing from it. Yeah well if that works for you sure it may not work for me to meet three people. It might mean gene success for me is I just WanNa have one person that I talked to a hiring manager and that means I have to talk to own lunch sort of team. People it just to meet one hiring manager but if I set myself up for success I do have an objective and that works for me. The idea is I’m not failing by having having a really good conversation with one person. It may not have been the goal that I walked ten. With what if that one person can actually introduce me to three other people. It’s still a success. What we’re doing? We’re coming in with some assumptions. The idea that we have to reach a specific goal in order for something to be a success and that is not not necessarily true in fact the more we try the different things the easier. It’s going to be to recognize success when it happens and the best analogy that I bet for this is going fishing. You have to cast your into several different kinds of ponds and rivers to figure out which one is going to be the one for you you. You may end up pulling up a fish one that you don’t like here’s the thing you know. It’s so funny about that. When I was selling real estate? I was coaching through a company and he called Mike Ferry and Mike Furious. I’d me coach. Steve Powers I remember this conversation like it was yesterday and it happens every year January. I it’s the largest number uh of expired listings of the entire year. Okay that means he said to me and I remember this vividly. There’s a narrow channel and all the fish are going going through this little channel. How can you not afford to be there? Fishing win the Fisher running through the channel. Yeah so not only do you need to have your lines ends in the water but you actually need to be fishing yet. You have to be paying attention. I also think about those who who say oh well yeah the group thing never worked for me so I’m just going with one one. That’s all I do. Okay that’s going to be a problem because you’re not actually paying attention to where the fish are going and the reverse is true. Oh well one on one doesn’t work for me because I’m just not not good at asking people to introduce me to other people so I’d rather go the group thing okay I. I’m not saying you won’t find success that I will suggest that you will be limiting yourself instead. Pay attention where the fish are and that tends to be cyclical as well you think about if you’re looking for government jobs.
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When is the time that the hiring usually happens? What’s after the fiscal year begins But that’s not the only time it’s also as the fiscal year is ending because these government agencies or their contractors have to spend their money or they’re not gonna get it for the next next fiscal season. Pay Attention. What what can you learn from all of these different things that you’re doing cast your bait into the pond or the river or wherever the fish are to figure you’re out what is going to work for you and keep doing that? Keep your eyes open for other things because you don’t know where the fish may go next time. Keep making the effort keep measuring in some way until you figure out what it is that works for you and my guess is it’s going to be a combination of things that brings us to another idea in career and that is the key skill. I believe we just completed a decade. We’re in a new millennium and have been for twenty years now and really the key skill today in in the marketplace my perspective of course is the capacity to learn new things and what we need to look at in terms of success in learning new. Things is having capacity to know why I should be doing. That’s the first step second step. Is You get to decide what does it do. I want to learn. And how do I WANNA learn it. And they’re obviously as many different different options for how to learn something as there are learning opportunities lists endless over the holidays. I was at a party. Some good friends of mine were hosting and I happen to meet the Chancellor of a university. There didn’t know him from Adam. We’ve ended up talking having worked in higher. Ed In my past it gave me an ability to talk about out commonalities. What was interesting was in the work that I do now as a trainer and consultant I create training opportunities for people and sometimes they ask for a blended learning opportunity meaning some of it online some of an in person so there’s pre work there’s post work all of that stuff that might be done online and so it makes the in person part richer? Okay so you’re you’re only there to to actually practice the skills that you may learn through the online source and it turns out that this chancellor chancellor had brought with him to his university somebody who was an expert on blended learning heap introduced me and I had a follow up conversation with this professor. About how do you you back up. The success of blended learning with data and I went with the express goal of finding out what the data was that that supported the benefits of learning specifically in other words. What this study’s where have they been done? What do they show that? Prove that blended blended learning is actually as effective as impersonal earning. Well I did not succeed at that goal because come to find out at least according to this professor there really isn’t any and we could go into other conversations about why what ended up happening. What we ended up talking about was? How do you make a blended learning wing situation work and yes the evaluative process is definitely there how you approach it may need to change and this is something that I hadn’t really considered in this context? There were a few things that we talked about though and one of them was building a persistent community. And that’s a term. I had never heard before the idea idea was to create and in this case online a community where people can chat about things they can talk about the paper. They’ve just written or the article that they’ve just read and how this relates to the things that they’re working on but it’s an online platform for them to keep the conversation going while in my work reinforcement is a a big part of what we do. The online learning is a way to get the learning into their hands and so the in person part is how they practice at. That part isn’t going to change the A key. Learning moment for me in this conversation was there was a whole realm of conversation that I didn’t even think about despite the fact that I’ve been through it myself south into different context. All of a sudden there was a connection job seekers can create for themselves a persistent community. Exactly what does that mean in terms of what works for you. Well that’s going to depend on what works for you. That’s part of the empowerment moment if you can then take what you’ve learned and you can create some kind of persistent community think about the job seeking networking groups that you already attend you the listener. You’re already attending some of them somewhere right. How do you keep the persistent community going for me so far? It’s been pretty random. I think about Nancy whom I met. Gosh a decade ago. I hadn’t really thought about this but it was ten years ago that we met she and I stay in contact not often regularly probably every six months or so we just paying each other. It had never dawned on me that that’s the beginning of a persistent community. How can we be more intentional about that? So for for some people it may be an excel spreadsheet.
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And I know injure. You’ve talked about that. Oh yeah well having some kind of job search or career. CRM customer relationship. Can you get management really. It’s something that we talk about a lot in sales. Is You need to know your customer shore really well. Yeah in one way to keep track of all of that especially if you have. It’s like I don’t know how many are in your network on Langton but I’m over seven thousand now I mean how do you keep track. I can’t possibly keep in touch with everyone. No Oh I can’t either right. We think about our parents would have had rolodexes got my mom had one of those. I actually just ran across one. I was going through stuff and the ad it. What’s really interesting? Interesting is for me. I was of the generation of rolodex users. Where you had the little punch card and so you didn’t actually have rolodex cards? You had a Rolodex where you put. Somebody’s he’s business card. You punched holes or the you know the slots whatever and then you just slip the business card in an ooh. That was all the rage back when I was doing that. But I have all these business business cards at people I didn’t know and I had written on the back of some of them. However there are people for whom that still works? Don’t stop using it if it works if it works for you keep using. That’s the skill we’re talking about here is using the one that works for you. Excel for me. It’s actually notebooks keeping the notebooks and flagging the ones uh-huh literally by color the conversations that I’ve had and so I can go back to a notebook that I’ve used in the past sort of journal idea although I’m not journal or I yeah I do keep track of the people that I’ve talked to what we talked about. And so those things that I wanNA remember I can flag and if I’m looking for a specific kind of memory or we’re learning whatever that is I go back to the color okay. That’s what works for me. There are so many other out there and some people actually have access to salesforce and some of the other other platforms right and I use sales flair for my business. I’ve seen people use hub spot. There’s a lot of softwares service type of solutions out there to keep track back in my job search in my career and nobody ever thought to do it that way there was somebody actually developed when back in the day when the dot com thing was going on and it never took off primarily. I believe because Lincoln came on the scene and really they’re looking to displace a lot of what’s happening in that space. My mom I still remember. She had literally a metal box with the flip over lid and it had three by five cards in it. And that’s how she kept in touch with her believe it or not she was a printing broker and this says how she kept. Track of people was a three by five card now and it doesn’t have to be. Its whatever’s going to keep you going one of the things that we keep. Keep coming back to. Is You have to be the one to make the effort. Whatever the form that works for you it means that you have to put the effort into it to get out of it? What you want there is no easy street? And that’s the biggest challenge I have in coaching. People is that it doesn’t necessarily life doesn’t necessarily get easier here. I also come back to the idea that specific efforts will get easier. The quote that says the more you do something the easier it becomes not because the the thing itself has changed but your ability to do it has and so as we’re looking at the measurements of success and what it is that we’re trying to do so in our job seeking in our career. What is that that secret to success will first of all you have to be able to define what success is and that is going to be individual to you and your situation nation Andrew? Dance what you’re trying to achieve for some of you. It may just be a job. Kamajors need to get on base. Maybe your objective his jaw and measuring all of your things things against that and if it works for you guess what then that was the right measurement for me personally. It is a job where I can feel like I bring value. That’s going to make a the difference in the lives of the people that I’m working with and as a trainer coach that makes sense and generally able to do that. Is it working the idea of fulfiling career. All of us walk in the door wanting a fulfilling career how do we measure that success what does fulfillment really need. And if I I need to lower my standards for that fulfillment in the short term. Will they lead to the higher standards that I’m actually going for. If you can say yes to that then that doesn’t mean it’s failure it means it’s a step that you know it’s funny you bring that up. I am really attracted to great leaders. Yes and for me. A A measurement of success is regardless of how many people I need. I’m always looking to me what I would define as a great leader and that certainly has certain characteristics. Yes so I’m I’m always looking for those people to create you know as we talked about earlier that community. Actually you bring up another point that I think about when talking about great leaders often we read the articles. On what what. What makes a great leader right and we’re thinking about? How do I internalize this so I become a better leader? There’s also the idea that these should be traits that I’m looking for and other people then there are those who they don’t look at their own performance.
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They’re looking at the other people I well. They need to look at their own performance. It’s turning it on its head How do we look at things differently so that we see as we go back to the basics how that can work but how it can work differently for us so that we gain greater success it also could be an awesome company? We Now we talk about awesome company in a generic sense for each one of us. We need to define what that is. What is an awesome company? Look like what are their values. What is their mission? Statement what benefit sedate provide do they have great leadership and so for each one of us we may be out to measure Azur or say. Hey you know I’m just really looking to work for an awesome company. Nothing wrong with that. That’s great one thing I would say. Just as a caveat to that is some some companies are in fact awesome. They have the right values. It’s totally in alignment and everything is absolutely great. Until of course you meet the people inside inside the company always remember that you’re dealing with human beings and it’s never going to be quite as good as they say it is and I don’t mean to sound cynical. It’s keep the lens of realism in your glasses. Because that will help you to discern what is real and what isn’t real because you can always deal with the things that are real in positive ways speaking of real. I think you’ve realized we’ve gone through most of this podcast and not actually actually told you the number one hidden secret of success we sort of hinted at it. Well we we did hint at it and hopefully you caught it. But what is the number one secret of success. The hidden secret success don’t give up don’t give up keep making. The effort changed things as you go try little differently. The whole premise is the secrets into our success. Whether it’s one or a series of parts the secret is usually something that has been in front of us the whole time. We simply haven’t haven’t recognized at so that is my challenge to our listener to look at the things that you’re currently doing. Try to look at them differently. Which one of these? He’s could still be the key to your personal success. I think about clan who says the answers are all inside of you. You already have them. And I I am a firm believer in that. It’s simply that we haven’t looked at that diamond in the rough and recognized it for what it was. We do have the answers in front of us. We simply have to Polish them one of the tools. You have right in front of you right now. Is the show notes in resources. For this podcast episode you can find those at job. Seekers radio DOT COM forward slash zero seven. Three the other source is the book that we put together the Anatomy of networking in conversation. We want you to download that at job seekers radio DOT COM. And then while you’re there we would really appreciate it if you would send us some feedback. Let us know how the book is helping you how this topic of the secret. The Not so secret secret. It can help you. We’d love love to hear of your successes. We’d love to hear about your challenges so that we can get a little deeper into this to help you figure out what the best success really really looks like but we want to challenge you. Don’t give up do us a favor in the show notes. There is a link to itunes for you to leave a rate and review. It’s also a great great place to subscribe to get future episodes so please head over there. The link is right there in the show notes. That is something you could do as a favor to us so that we can spread the word about about what we’re trying to accomplish here this labor of love that we have called job seekers radio. Well thanks everybody. I’m Scott and I’m Andrew and in the words of Simon cynic doc. Don’t quit never give up trying to build the world you can see even if others can’t see it listen to your drum and your drum only. It’s the only one that makes the sweetest sound. Thanks everybody bye bye.
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Show Notes Getting results from your networking starts with understanding what to expect from the activity. Managing your expectations can lead to better results, interviews, and many other positive next steps.
Join Scott and Andrew as they discuss the ins and outs of expectations and how things might go wrong. Don't miss these Topics:
Establishing expectations based on your situation and audience. What is the difference between delighted and disappointed. The role of mindset, trust and perception. What is reasonable to expect Identifying appropriate outcomes by thinking ahead Questions to ask in order to determine if you are being realistic Accepting feedback and making adjustments What to do when your expectations aren't mirrored
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welcome job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. The weather you're working or not. Today's episode is brought to you by the Anatomy of networking conversation. e-book it's a free resource to you you can download unload data job seekers radio DOT COM so in today's show. We want to talk about expectations in job. Search the preface to this. It's part of a customer service training that I did many years ago and I still use this actually is the idea that the definition between delighting someone or disappointing them is simply defined as the gap between what is expected and what is delivered. We think a lot about those times in our job ob search when that we are disappointed in something whether it's disappointed in our cells for not performing in a certain way whether it's disappointed in the person who interviewed viewed us for not asking the kinds of questions that we were expecting not necessarily reacting to our responses. The way we were expecting the the problem is not in the behaviors whether our own or the other person's it really is about what it was our expectation going in and the second question that is were those expectations realistic. So that's what we want to talk about in today's conversation. It's really US wrestling with this. This idea of expectation frustration. Disappointment the different emotions that you're gonNA feel either in work or in your career career or in a job search. There's always hate to say it but there's always gonna be somebody who doesn't live up to your expectations. I found this when I first got into real estate and I had a list of all these people that I would call my good friends that said Oh well. I'm sorry. We can't transact real estate with you. My Funchal is a real tour or my cousin or my fifth wife from a previous marriage or something. You know whatever that lives in this thing but you know when it's like hang on a second here. I had this expectation because we have trust. You're gonNA help me or allow me to help you. And you think about that in the the employment situation how many of us have gotten into working at a job where we thought we were coming into one kind of environment and it turned out it was very different. It's it's important to recognize if someone has told me that we behave in a certain way here and in fact we don't that's not on me what I do with the new. The information is on me and I can set some expectations based on reality rather than what. I was hoping for being told that those are the things I should could be hoping for. There's there's responsibility on the other side of that. What I do with the information is ultimately completely within my control? So that's what we want to promote here is to create some reasonable expectations and not have them set so high that people are naturally going to come in underneath that. They're going to let let us down in some fashion. If someone tells me that we have a culture at this organization that is employee center.
Show Notes Culture is the environment, including common values, vision, and mission. Does every organization have one? Likely, yes.
Does the organization live their values? No, not always.
Scott and Andrew share thoughts about identifying your cultural values and how alignment with company culture is a critical exercise for your career. Don't miss these Topics:
Researching corporate values. Filtering corporate values against your own values. Investigating first hand through networking and interviewing. How to manage the varying levels of belief in and living out the corporate culture. Developing and documenting values as part of the job search and career management process. Maintain openness to possibilities and opportunities for something better. Decisions to make a move within or outside. Would it be worth it to work towards changing the culture.
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welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Scott and I'm Andrew and this production is meant to be meaningful support for you to find great career careers faster whether you're working or not that's right. Today's episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. It's a free e book did you can download at Jobseeker's obscures radio DOT com. It's a wonderful resource. It's our philosophy really that we've developed a four step process so when you download that document you actually get the companion audio to help walk you through getting your feet wet with networking. If it's not something that you felt you were really you felt positive about felt felt that it was easy for you. We hope that this will bring it a little bit within your reach Scott. Tell me about today's show. Today's show we're going to be talking about the role of culture in your the job. Search a lot of companies talk about their culture and how they are employee centric in so many ways and I think this is great. The idea that that company executives and leaders are looking for ways to connect with their people and to make them feel better about working there. I think is important and I think it's critical for for employee engagement. which is something we talk a lot about in the corporate world these days especially in? HR circles as well as within leadership your ship because ultimately they have to keep people engaged right so they create these wonderful cultures. They're also usually pretty good about promoting what those values might might be. What brought this to mind though? And and as Andrew you and I were talking about this I've run into a few conversations recently to that talk about culture her especially from a perspective where when they get there they find out the culture is really just talk. They're not necessarily living the beliefs or values news that they say they have. They just put that up there to make you feel good about working there while that's a step in the right direction. They're seeing as the gap between what they say they value and what they seem to be doing in the workforce so what we want to talk about is how do you recognize that. How do you validate they live the values versus just the talk? And what do you do with the information that you find. Whenever I talked to folks about culture? Their eyes glaze over offer as a job seeker. They're like culture. What do you mean you've never really considered it until you've documented and what I found is that if you don't recognize what culture you you were in and what parts of it you liked and what you WanNa see replicated in your next job? It's hard for you to even know and that's the first step or the first challenge challenge that many of my coaching clients have the second step is to believe that they have a choice to pick that culture or not pick that coal right when the j...
Show Notes You know you should network. You know many people find jobs and get promoted through networking. So what's the hold up?
Sometimes knowing how to network is the hard part. Scott and Andrew share the Top 9 Ways to get your networking Done. Don't miss these Topics:
Top 9 Methods to Get your Networking Done Best practices for networking to make it easier.
Resources (including affiliate links) What Color is Your ParachuteNetworking: Insiders' Strategies for Tapping the Hidden Market Where Most Jobs Are Found iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View Transcript
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welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This is a podcast. Meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. And that's whether you're working or not. Today's episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation e book. It's a free resource that you can download download at Jobseeker's radio DOT COM. There's a little link on the homepage where you can do so down at the bottom of the page you can put in your little email address and we'd be happy to send you that a free resource. You can put your big email address in there to today's episode is the top nine ways. Networking can be done. There are a lot of definitions editions out there. And we're going to go over the ones that we think are both the most common but also the must effective how we execute this whole networking can take many different forms often often when I talk to job seekers or even professionals that are working they believe networking to be something very specific. They kind of have put it in a box right. And and basically the approach that we generally take is used the things that work don't limit yourself to only the things that you know about. There's always an an opportunity to try something new. So what does that look like. We want to talk about some of that today and at the end will actually ty shift gears and talk about. What is it successful conversation? Sation what should you really have outside of just the methods. We're going to talk about and really we're going to start here with the nine ways. You can actually have a conversation with with somebody and the first way you can do. That is in a group setting many job seekers. I've talked to say they think networking is. I have to go somewhere where I don't know anybody. And there's there's a large group of people and that's what networking and networking event. Whether that is a group of people that are looking for work it might be an association and King Opportunities some something that has a theme or maybe they have a speaker. Maybe not but it's where everybody gathers and again the room full of people you don't know but you have something in common with so that works. We recommend that. If that's your thing do it do it as much as you can. Because if it is a numbers burst game for you you will pick up something if you go to enough of them you might find these on something like meet up or event right. It might be an association might might be a job seekers group. These group events are really good to meet New People. You don't know. And that's the whole point. Is that often some people think networking working in just talking to the people. I already know. And if we only talk to the people we know we're GONNA get diminishing return absolutely. This is a great way to go to a new environment. Meant to test your limits. Get outside your comfort zone. Meet somebody I hadn't yet known yet and really what did they say. Strangers are only friends. You haven't met yet. I personally a enjoy doing these kinds of networking events because that fits my style and I understand. They're different people. Different styles different things that were even for those four home. The networking events can be a little uncomfortable. It can still be valuable experienced. We do recommend that you try that. It's going to be the most visible you're going to hav...
Show Notes Keeping and staying on track with your search whether you are working or not requires some momentum. Expand and grow your career with networking - continually. Don't miss these Topics:
Keeping a perpetual mindset without judgement. Realistic expectations regarding loyalty to your organization and yourself. Level of physical and mental health that relates to working in the right role and culture. Being open to any opportunity with objectivity. Stay current with industry, experience, resume, LinkedIn profile, and your results measurable. Skill-up your experience with training, certifications, and development opportunities. Getting and being a mentor for brainstorming possibilities and maintaining accountability.
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local job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide meaningful support to find great careers. Faster whether you're working king or not. Hey Scott did you know that today's episode is actually brought to you by the Anatomy of networking conversation. Really tell me more. It's actually an e book it can be found on our website at job seekers radio DOT com. That's amazing in today's episode. We're talking about maintaining momentum in your career earlier. This is something that we talk about networking because a lot of times people get into jobs on this has been true of myself. We get into jobs and then we think okay you know live. I got the job I wanted. There's lots to learn here. I I have so much to do. I'm busy and we don't network anymore. And so all those connections actions just sort of die on the vine and what. I've had to find out. The hard way is often in our careers. The the only way to truly maintain momentum is to keep that networking going not all of the connections. That I make for my future are going to be made in in the company. I'm working for right now so if I want a career that's going to expand and grow and whether that's moving up the food chain or that I'm I'm broadening the scope of what I'm doing. It's a lot easier to keep that momentum going if I don't stop networking we advocate that you take perpetually looking mindset mindset perpetually having your eyes open looking around always looking for the next opportunity not did you have to take it not that you have to find the perfect perfect situation. Although seeking is the fun the way to keep that as fun is to stop judging what you're coming up in front of you know whatever is happening. The different opportunities thirties that present themselves. If we're thinking oh well that one doesn't look good enough for that one doesn't fit well enough. We're actually limiting ourselves to the possibilities. Instead of we stop judging and we really look at what could bring us some enjoyment. Were far more likely to find them. Enjoyment loyalty is something that many companies talk about in many job seekers or employees look for does it really exist. It does in my point of view. It does but you have to be realistic. Mystic about how that actually happens because the company will be loyal to you until they don't need you anymore can't afford you anymore and for are and I'm using air quotes business reasons they let you go or they reorganize and lay people off whatever that might look like in the specifics loyalty he is great as long as it makes sense and too often I talked to people who feel. They have shown their loyalty to their company. And it hasn't hasn't been returned and I would venture to say and I haven't yet talked to any business owner or executive. Who would disagree with me that you are are? You should be loyal to yourself. I the company may or may not be able to show loyalty the way they talk about it and rather than spending your energy judging that be loyal to yourself yourself first.
Show Notes Urgent needs for income can cloud the judgement relating to company cultural fit.
Scott and Andrew discuss strategies for working through the process of recovering from desperate needs for employment. Don't miss these Topics:
How to stay true to your values in challenging situations. Taking inventory of your work styles and matching with chosen employers. Focusing your mindset on your strengths to perform well on interviews. Building the right branding presentation. Identifying gap jobs. Creatively managing finances. Expanding the gap between virtue and despair. The type of people to surround yourself with.
Resources (including affiliate links) Resilience EpisodesThe Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment063 The Number One Secret to Job Satisfaction iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View Transcript
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welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to fight great careers careers faster. And that's whether you are working or not by the way. This episode today is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. It's an e-book and a free resource that you can download at job seekers radio DOT COM in today's show we talk about balance balancing cultural fit and the urgent need for for income not uncommon very common. Both of us have had situations where income was necessary very very interesting. I think that's true of most Savar. Listening to income is necessary I. It's just the urgency. That may or may not be really a driver for some people. I think one person that I know who decided to move to Portland for whatever reason he was between jobs and he and his family decided to move all the way across the country to settle here in Portland. Income was not really eighty. Something he needed urgently he had enough in savings that he knew he'd be safe for while still it doesn't last forever. He wasn't in the one percent that isn't able to spend and all the money's making on interest so you know a job is needed but then was also talking to someone recently who is badly under employed at the moment and she she is running out of money and so the the the need to get a full time job where she's really supporting herself is urgent and she's finding herself looking at potential jobs that are beneath her skill. Set that pay less than what she's looking for and there's a lot of other stuff going on that really digs into herself confidence. So that's part of what is driving this discussion today. Whether you're employed or unemployed the need for money Israel your many people if you have obligations and you're staring down at your bank account balance and you need a job then take the next job. Right comes along and there's really nothing wrong with that. I realized that nobody wants to take a job. They're not going to enjoy and I think that's healthy perspective. In fact I think that's healthier here than those who say. Oh well I can just work any job. And they don't really care they they may not care as an employer. I want them to care. How do you balance that? I really think that this this conversation begins with knowing what you want in the first place. What do you want an employer and even if you are feeling that urgency that you just have to get a job Bob? It's critical that you spend the time to decide. What is it that you actually want to many times? I hear people talk about. Oh well you know I. I have transferable skills I can work for anyone. It's not industry specific. And so why are they hiring me and when I asked him well what do you want to an employer that well any employer is fine as long as an. I'm thinking wait a minute. They haven't done any research they haven't made. They haven't documented any of their desires. How then can can you express your enthusiasm for job that you're implying for if you don't even know what you want? Take that time.
Show Notes Finding the way from a networking conversation to an actual job can be anything but a straight line. Knowing how to guide conversations depends on your expectations.
Andrew and Scott share ideas that will up-level your networking success. Don't miss these Topics:
The outcomes you should expect from a networking conversation. Mindset for network conversations.
Resources (including affiliate links) StrengthsFinder 2.0StrengthsQuestWhat Color is Your Parachute iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View Transcript
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job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide meaningful support to fight great careers faster whether oh you are working or not. Today's episode is brought to you by the anatomy of the networking conversation is an e book a free resource. We've put together for you so downloaded at job. Seekers radio DOT COM in today's show. We're talking about. How do I know that networking will actually lead to a job? You don't think about it there. There are different ways of getting a job no matter who you are. What kind of job you're looking for? There's always a mix. The point we like to make is that networking is more likely to help you than not a majority of people at least in our observation get jobs through networking. If if we're thinking and I'm GonNa make up the numbers here if we're thinking maybe eighty percent get their jobs through networking and twenty percent. Don't well it's possible. Then you may be in the twenty percent. Who hasn't yet that doesn't mean? Networking is not a valuable experience for you. That can actually help. Support your job search in some fashion so we want to talk today about the different things that could help you in networking that will actually help your job seeking speaking. If you're coming to this podcast. It's likely because you realize that Scott Ni- consistently evangelized networking what we're not saying is that applications. I don't exist or don't work or don't matter what we recognize. That many people come to this podcast because they want to hear the networking side of the story to know okay it. How does this actually work? And how do I know it's working. That's really the foundation of our podcast is to talk about those things. Li probably still have to do applications nations. Even if you're doing the networking yes. They're still a process involved to be hired. And just because you're networking doesn't mean that that process goes away You're briefly it'd be lengthened. You don't control the Baraza exactly. We had a conversation with someone recently. WHO had said? But I've never gotten a job through networking before and and while I have no reason to think that's incorrect. That doesn't have to be completely true. To the extent that networking will help you. Who at every step of the process? Even when you got an interviews simply through a blind application the networking the discussions with other people about job seeking about what's going on in your industry. Whatever all of these things will help you in your job search regardless us of how you landed the interview Mike Question for that individual? How does he really know that the networking didn't help them get at Jane? How does he know that somebody he knows wasn't a mutual connection? Sure and somebody called that person and gave him an endorsement or especially in the now. We've got linked. I can pull somebody up on Lincoln and see who my mutual connections are assuming there are some and then I will have already talked to that person. Listen hate you know so. And so well right there that's part of networking so something is working there and to your point. I think there's value do in questioning not so much whether or not it's working for me but em I open do i. Are My eyes open to how networking is affecting me Because sometimes we think that our own processes are adequate. There's a statistic that we often in it's true acros...
Show Notes What happens when you can't seem to get unstuck? Seek advice and information from trusted sources.
Andrew and Scott answer your toughest questions. Don't miss these Topics:
How to start a career with a worthless law degree. Overcoming 2500 applications and no interviews after 6 years of looking. Keeping an open mind when it doesn't feel natural or normal. Having an outlet for pressure and coping mechanisms during challenging times. Transitioning from owning a business to working for a company. Best practices in preparing for IT interviews. Value of networking to prepare for interviews.
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Show Notes The jobs reports don't always tell the whole story. There are a myriad of situations that individuals have endured that are not reflected in the data reporting.
Scott and Andrew have your covered! Talking about situations when you have been looking for awhile and just unable to secure the right full-time job. Don't miss these Topics:
The data tell a story. What to do about your individual situation. Getting out of the situation you are in. The value of self-care. Different types of work arrangements. Mindset required to succeed.
Resources (including affiliate links) The number of people who have given up an active job search in September 2019 was 6.9 percent, some 11 million people.
60% U.S. workers are in mediocre or bad jobs or multitude of temporary and part time jobs. iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View Transcript
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local job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This podcast is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. stor whether you are working or not by the way. Today's episode is brought to you by the Anatomy of networking conversation. Isn't he book book that we put together for you. It's free so you can download that on job seekers radio DOT COM in today's show we talk about a recent article that was published in The New York Times. We will actually put a link to the article in the show notes just as a cliff notes version of this article. It was talking about people. That still can't find jobs in today's marketplace so really. We're we're covering topic cold. What do I do when I just can't find fulltime work and I want to start out by saying that? I've been in those shoes back. During the great recession I spent three years ears looking for full time work and was not successful until three years later finally landing a job given that I have personal experience experience with it. I have a very different idea of what that looks like from those who have been working all their lives. Yes it makes me more empathetic it. It makes me more sympathetic for those who are currently in a similar situation. Also just this past week I had a chance to talk to a woman who is now in the same situation at three years still unable to find full time employment the fact that this article came out in the New York Times. This week really hits home. What's different is that? We're now in a period. where unemployment is remarkably low? Although I will say it's still just as warped warped a number as when the great recession was happening while during my three years of unemployment because there are so many people who don't get counted in the unemployment numbers. We'll talk or we'll hear talk a lot about how we're at. Historically low percentages that doesn't address the fact that there are people out there who still are dealing with long-term unemployment. Let's also recognize when I see a headline like that is designed to get clicks and sell advertising and Sell Newspapers K.. On both sides right. So here's the bad. Here's the lowest employment in forever or people. People still can't find work it. We're going to these two extremes in order to get people to read articles that's the first thing but there is some data that was included in this article that I thought was worthy the of being shared the rate of people who are unable and just gave up on their active job search in September twenty nineteen was six point nine percent that amounts was to about eleven million working individuals in the United States willing and able to work eleven. Million people is a big number. That isn't being counted in my point and that means that this is real the fact that people can't find work Israel but we're here to offer you actionable items actionable things things in this podcast to push through that barrier. Because you have to. I think about the this idea that people stop looking well yes to greater or lesser degrees.
Show Notes With millions of jobs posted online and available at all times, it's hard to know what jobs to apply for (or not). Not to mention the when and the why!
Scott and Andrew discuss the strategies around applying for the right jobs. Don't miss these Topics:
Value of assessments. Effective ways to find jobs. How to keep track of what resume you sent to which company and role. Power of instant gratification. Using creativity to understand different perspectives.
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00:00:05 - 00:05:02
welcome to Job Seekers Radio I've Andrew and I'm Scott this production. His Mentor provide meaningful support to you the listener to find great careers faster. And that's whether you're working or not. Today's episode is brought to you by the Anatomy of the networking conversation book. It's a free resource. We have available for you to download at job. SEEKERS RADIO DOT COM go there today. Download is free. It's free and it's an e book that we put together a little while ago that we've found to be very helpful to people who who really want to look at networking and expanding their network. The big question we're talking about today is how do I know what job to apply for when I look at the multitude of positions that are out there. It's really hard hard to figure to pick and choose which ones to apply for because there are so many in fact when at the time were recording. This they're seven million postings on just on linked it alone. I've loved this question and I get asked this from time to time simply because people don't know how to do the job search. It's not that they don't know what job they want they do. They just haven't figured out how to get there but I always come back with the question. What kind of job do you WANNA do? What Work Inspires you? What motivates you? What makes you feel like? Wow I get to go to do this job today. Certainly there is a finite number of jobs that does that that for you so start there and then you can start doing searches either on Lincoln or elsewhere to find out what jobs do that kind of work and start exploring. It's often that I hear this question. Scott when someone is focused just on title and the title doesn't always translate relate to the type of work they WANNA DO Company to company. It's called something different exactly so that may that does make it more difficult. However if you're looking at the skills kills you want to use in different jobs it opens up more doors that way within your search first step that we both recommend we talked about this? A lot is is identifying your strengths. Right so finding the strengths I will allow you to find titles. And that's how I look I. I would encourage everybody on the podcast broadcasting listening determine what is it that you love to do more than anything professionally speaking. Of course. I like to play golf right. Take a walk. There are ways to even make that. What professional work? How would you do for example? Okay so you WanNa play you love playing golf and you like being around golfers you like the environment on on the golf course. You're probably not going to get into the ranks of professional golfers that are making a living especially those making millions just playing playing golf right but there are so many jobs at the at the golf courses or if you like retail those who sell golf equipment and supplies apparel and all these things there are so many auxiliary jobs or ancillary jobs that actually ty to your passion and I'd say that's a really good place to start if it's not retail that you WanNa do you know that's not your realm okay. What's the manufacturing side looking like How can you get involved with people who are making the products tour or designing the services that go around there walking the dog? I actually you have a friend. He had corporate job.
Show Notes Understanding your satisfaction is within your control can be liberating. Scott and Andrew discuss the Top Secret, that #1 thing you can do, to ensure your job satisfaction. Don't miss these Topics:
Being an advocate for your own satisfaction. The difference between fitting in and being in. How language and identity can work together. Consistency in your brand presentation. The value of a cover letter. Defending your own needs without being defensive. Identifying Key Factors of Satisfaction. Where to find support for your satisfaction. How to communicate your areas of satisfaction.
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welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide you meaningful support defined great careers faster whether you're working or not today's episode. We're talking about the secret to advocating for your own own satisfaction and this episode is brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation. It's an e book that Scott I have put together. That walks you through through step by step along with companion audio which is wonderful by the way we've been so and that's a free resource for you to download at job seekers radio DOT COM Tom. It's a free gift for you. We want to talk about advocating for satisfaction because so often we send out lots of applications. We we have some interviews and we're always trying to fit into what the company wants or what. The interviewer wants its natural right or want to to put our best foot forward. We WanNA make sure we're we're demonstrating to them or being considerate. There is a difference between changing how I appear and using their language. And so that's what we want to talk about today is how does how do we avoid changing who we are appearing to change who we are just to to succeed in an interview requires a lot of preparation. Sure does okay but if we look at how you're preparing now that requires a lot of preparation preparation of course because as they say it always takes a lot more energy to remember a lie because you have to wait the lie. It's much easier to remember truth because truth is the truth. Well it's on its own and you think about it if you're sending out a lot of applications in your tailoring every single bit of the language language to that are you going to remember when they actually get back to you two weeks later which set up oh my goodness which which version of this language am. I supposed to us now. We want to help you avoid that problem and instead to really advocate for your own satisfaction on the job satisfaction within the interview. You know what you want you know what you like. Hopefully and if not that's where your preparation is going to start. You know the kind of environment you want to be working in what your values are and again if not not find that out you should be looking for someone who meets your needs not just the other way around and you should know what feels like you and what doesn't so if you're using the right keywords to get through an automated system by all means go for it. Don't change who you are. Don't change your language to the extent that you're changing changing everything about your presentation just to meet somebody else's expectations authentic. Who Do you become when each time? You change that message to align with the job It's almost like you're a chameleon I've seen this have very negative repercussions sure. Psychologically we have identity confusion will not not only that but then you start to question when you see someone who is we say. They interviewed well. They were able to adapt to the interview. But then once they're on the job for a while their true colors show and that's true for all of us and so when they see that the person who shows up for work six months later isn't the person who ha...
Show Notes Networking can get a bad wrap. Often reaching out to people you don't know can feel weird, awkward and uncomfortable. Selling frequently feels synonymous with sleaze.
Scott and Andrew discuss ways to eliminate the sleaze from your networking efforts. Don't miss these Topics:
Sincerity definition and approach. Mindset and thought process when approaching networking efforts. Managing your identity and confidence. Changing your current feeling about networking. Upgrading your networking finesse and maturity. Preparing for the networking meeting or group event. Finding a genuine purpose for networking in the first place. Answering the "what do you do question". The power of branding and asking questions.
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to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster whether you're unemployed brought to you by the anatomy of a networking conversation it's an ebook a free pretty often the people that come to a Scott they have this approach avoidance people right so you have that in common when we talk about sincerity I found it helpful to look at the roots of the Word Sin Means Without Sarah is the Latin word ending material right for the highest end type of buildings they were doing whether it was a temple us in a little holes and imperfections the unscrupulous marble hi it you would then at at prime price you would then use it and product as being without wax it was real it was sincere right mindset matters how you begin the thought process of as you prepare event you have to be or even networking one on one You have to be perfect before I can actually do some short because my assumption is that when I go to I been unemployed for any length of time that part of my confidence made the you it allows you to manage both well and it for anybody who knows who Rene Brown is comes to being in the workplace whether you're leader and employees whatever or you are the more sincere the other person will be now obviously there are limits to that respond to you your chances of recognizing it for what it is increases for lack of a better term whatever triggers us is often going to make us questions only if that's the case and you're looking for something within that you may have some Oh being sincere about that being mindful of the mindset doing networking for the first time you're gonNA be uncomfortable that doesn't mean you're not confident or sincere but we go and we do it anyway and if networking to you feels forced us right then we we want to encourage you to take a different approach than that we've wouldn't suggest that they had to be if you're not into small talk go ahead and start gently them on your page right away and that takes a certain amount of finesse it does it it's going to feel even more uncomfortable but it's going to be a safe environment and you may feel at feeling awkward and still performing you will definitely be better at it when you're in people about is how do you prepare what how have you prepared your thoughts before aww networking conversation would apply.
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I think where we're at in this is probably have to have a certain set of beliefs about networking I I think before and you're out of your comfort zone here's an opportunity for you to get out of your comfort zone and learned something and the points within that so that you're prepared to talk around what you want to talk about the talk about whoever they may be now you're listening and people will remember makes it a lot easier for me just to look down and maybe re review them and working but I know it's important and so I'm going to do it anyway I don't know how you feel about this well you're coming into when I say this is new to me or I'm not comfortable portent end so here I am all of a sudden I'm rooting for them because we al...
Show Notes What we think can have a big impact on our ability to find success in our careers. Whether we listen to those voices or not is entirely up to us.
Scott and Andrew share some tips and techniques to manage those voices positively on this episode of Job Seekers Radio. Don't miss these Topics:
Capture and challenge your beliefs. How do I determine if my story is true. What kinds of questions can support productive and positive progress. Redirecting your focus to get results, going from negative to positive. Overcoming feelings of inadequacy. Getting over the platitudes heard from friends and family. The value of self-coaching. Re-framing situations and circumstances with networking to find answers.
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Careers faster whether you're working or not today's episode we're talking about managing the voice in your head in fact this episode is brought to you by the Anatomy Logan to job seekers radio I'm Andrew and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide meaningful support find great what do you think would be a better question to ask what is it that I bring to the marketplace that other people could use that or series of questions that you might think about to open your mind to another possibility to direct your efforts to we'd like to help possibly to re frame the questions as they pop up questions are really powerful tool today is to sort of give some alternatives to these questions their common questions we hear them all the time and the work that we do and thing everyone has we all talk to each other to what degree may differ between people but we are always telling ourselves as story involved in a networking conversation and we have that as a free gift for you in today's show we WanNa talk about managing the voice in your head that's right everything emotionally speaking that makes you an exceptional employee and a great person right yeah and suddenly you don't have answers a positive end for you which could be a promotion or whatever it is you're seeking right coming back to the common question why am I not getting a job Andrew Day and we're asking ourselves a lot of questions already if you've been in a job or are between jobs you've probably asked some of these questions of yourself a lot of times we build the story based on assumptions we make because we don't know the answers to the questions we ask ourselves so we actually want to address that getting the job be clear on why you should get it whatever that job is now we get into we won't go into detail on this podcast it's an endless loop kind of question well especially because the answer could be different for every person you ask a exactly even if they were to tell you the truth that means there's no answer you know what why am I not getting promoted right why did that person get the role and not me a why did I not get a callback why have I not been if you're asked about your branding statement or how to market yourself and your abilities but that's the direction this takes when you have a clear answer to that question working why have I not been included in conversations that affect my team and this can affect your your mindset everything yeah and your confidence one I if you've been unemployed for any length of time it's likely you've asked yourself whether or not you're employable that is another very common question so what we wanted are there is beneficial or that I feel I'm I'm here to do right that that's a great way to turn it around instead of looking at why you're aw when the question comes up why not getting hired let's start by reframing it about what do I bring to the table and be very cautious of verse redirect your mind into something way more productive exactly and we use them in coaching all the time in our objective here today really is to give you a list a...
Show Notes Finding the right employment opportunities can take some effort. Knowing whether or not a company you want to work for is hiring is a two part problem. The first being: knowing which companies are out there.
Scott and Andrew share some creative ways to locate the companies in your neck of the woods. Don't miss these Topics:
Practical Ways to Find Companies Who can give you information about opportunities Online resources for narrowing your options Organizations that can support you in your job search and have connections to local companies.
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Show Notes You are preparing for an interview and expecting the questions you will be asked. What about the questions you GET to ask?
Andrew and Scott talk through some ideas about crafting good questions to ask hiring teams during your interviews to demonstrate your interest. Don't miss these Questions and some Answers:
What are the best questions to ask? How do you know they are telling the truth? What do you REALLY want from the job/organization? How would you rate your company on saying what they are going to do and then doing it? What does work life balance look like to me? Is the question I'm asking about me? Hopefully not! How do you allocate weekend work? Is weekend work required here? What accommodations do you have for flexible scheduling as relates to equity/inclusion? Tell me about a time when somebody needed accommodation around their work schedule, how did you handle that? Talk to me about what diversity and inclusion looks like? Tell me about a time when you had a challenge around the value of speaking with candor, how did you work through that? How do respond to this negative feedback from Glassdoor.com? What are your corporate values that are used on a daily basis in your teams? How can I use networking to get answers to some of my questions? Why is this position open? Why did that person leave? What are you expecting the person you hire to do differently? What does the ideal candidate look like? How do people get promoted and developed inside the company? Tell me more about your career path in the company? Do your leaders go through 360 reviews and how is feedback implemented or not within the organization? How much time each week do you make available for employee development and training? How do you decide what investments to make in employee development?
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059 The Best Questions To Ask At An Interview
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Production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to find great careers faster that's whether you're working or not today on job seekers welcome to job seekers radio I'm Scott I'm Andrew is to provide so that you can start asking informed questions about how do they fit that bill for you because if the company can prepare for these it's important to know what kind of information they're looking for generally speaking that is unknown idea and we recommend that you do I first of all know what you want what are the things that you value as an employee if you're interviewing or their supervisors have a list of things that are valuable to you that is dependent upon the the workplace about your experience what you bring to the table this point often their behavioral questions tell me about a time when and those are good asking those questions is GonNa differentiate you in in that hiring process as well as how you ask those questions precisely that's what we're going to focus on today they are going to ask you this conversation is about the questions that you should be preparing for them take some time do your homework because Wanna ask questions that get to the real the real life workday working in that company and so there are some things that that because often we have here people say general things like I appreciate work life balance or I want good leadership but we don't know what questions to ask Oh right so now you have a question to ask your interviewer so for some how would you rate your company on whether or not there airing their own grievances it just doesn't make any sense so no that they're going to be you know talking very in glowing terms of the company that they're working for you US and really I appreciate Scott whenever you do the five wise which is a very good exercise for this so I do this a lot with into interview for a position of leadership know what you've ...
Show Notes Scott and Andrew take time to answer your questions. Select the Contact button in the menu on the JSR website to ASK your question - and we will answer it on a future episode. Don't miss these Topics:
Is it bad to apply to multiple roles within the same company? Applying for the same company? How to get my foot in the door at a hospital? Lately I have been sending my CV and obtaining no feedback at all. What would you do? How important is a cover letter?
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welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Scott. I'm Andrew this. This is a production that is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to find great careers faster whether you're working or not today. We're we're going to be answering some questions. This is one of our QNA podcasts where we are asked questions and we sprint respond to them and really we. We want you to hear your own voice in this one. We want to make sure that we are answering questions that are relevant valid and that you are asking us so at the end of this. We're going to ask you to get in touch with US and ask us more questions but here's some questions that we've come across in the last several weeks and we we really feel compelled to answer them and we encourage you reach out to us on the web site or send an email whatever that looks like leave a comment if you have our phone number gives call give us a call. We're in the book well. Did they move to. I'm surprised I even published a medical except for the advertising anyway we have some questions that we want to answer and we want to invite you to more so here. We go the first question and for this. QNA is is it bad to apply to multiple roles within the same company. The quick answer is no. It's not bad. The question goes on though Oh to say a to ask about applying for the same company. this person specifically has a degree in pharmacy and about to achieve has licensure but doesn't know if it's really appropriate to continue to go back to the same company with applications. I personally you say I think it's a great idea to go back over and over again to accompany. You're really interested in working with there is one. I Dunno caveat. What is the right word but there's one caveat and that is you've got to know why you want to work there. If it's just because you here they pay well. That is not going to be a compelling reason for the person interviewing you. I just needed jobs in our yeah and they want somebody who really believes in the company he walking in the door so if you have done all your homework you've you've researched what this company not only says they're about but actually what a day in the life. Ed looks like and you can speak their language. That's going to get you further so the idea is make sure that you have your ducks lined up. You've done your networking thing you know your your stuff about that company and then tell them why you want to work for them. If you can lead with that you're probably going to get a little further down the road. The beginning of this says hey is it bad to apply multiple roles within the same company. Yeah that leads me to believe that that's that's the only activity that they're judging their success or failure on and I would not leave it there. I would say do the networking get inside the company us all the avenues available to you. If that's absolutely the only place you'd like to work sure we were talking about rich prior to this our friend enrich who who works for an athletic company who who worked so hard on getting in that was the only company you wanted to work for and he applied for for many roles within the organization and he spoke to almost one hundred people hundred before he got his first interview. If I remember correctly they had a hiring hiring freeze yeah.
Show Notes Getting your new job is quite an accomplishment. Many of the sacrifices you made and the efforts you took included networking. Now that you are working - what's next?
Scott and Andrew share some ideas around keeping your network alive. Don't miss these Topics:
Overcoming regret of not having networked - The #1 Thing Many Job Seekers Feel Engage with industry associations Consider the value of 30-60-90 plans Adjust your mindset for networking Make small investments of time to get results Dedicate some time to planning your efforts Paying it forward now that you are working Setting and following up with key relationships
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00:00 - 05:06
welcome to job seekers radio. I'm andrew this production. Action is meant to provide meaningful support to find great careers faster whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio were talking about how to keep your network alive live and incubate relationships over time. I love the word incubation because as we're thinking about this it is a long term process. You're we're not going to build the same kind of relationship in one conversation the same kind as you would build over several conversations over a period of time trust. I is built by being earned. If you approach a networking relationship as something that is going to be incubated when is that going to take and hopefully you have an idea of what that takes both scott ni- have been in several transitions in our career and the biggest learning that we've had and those that we've coached have had is gosh you know what i wish i would have kept on network alive or kept networking or done this networking things sooner and really. It's a big question after you get your new job. How are you gonna do that. How are you going to keep that network alive now that you're working so one of the things thinks that i i have told people in the past is to get involved in industry associations and often the company that you're working for will pay for your dues us to participate because in essence. You're going to be representing them. The difficulty comes in when the company says no. They're not going to sponsor you and that just happened and to me fairly recently where i was working in a job that I've been doing for a while. I have the expertise. I can represent well but because it had somebody somebody else representing. They're not going to pay for my participation so i had to choose whether or not to do it or not for those who can't afford to go ahead and join the local chapter. I still recommend do it. Get get yourself out there. Because of your company isn't going to invest in you. Maybe it's because they we don't yet see the value if they see you out there and doing this and representing well especially if you're moving into positions of leadership within these associations now they have a reason and you can come back and say if they say we want you to keep doing this great. Are you going to pay my dues because that's how you're going to get me to represent you and obviously you have to nuance that response but your value should be something they're willing to pay for by all means keep networking. Keep doing it and don't lose sight of the fact that the people in the associations are going to continue seeing your investment in there in their efforts and that could also lead to your next position. Let me set the stage. I just got a new job. I've been networking like crazy. I've been interviewing. I've run a course. I've run through the the grinder so to speak just and i just crossed the finish line and i'm starting my new job on Monday. It's just such a relief to have that job. That's a mindset. The mindset is i now have a job. I'm busy working now.
Show Notes Ghosting is a recent phenomenon where candidates are left in the cold during the hiring process. Although it doesn't feel good, Scott and Andrew discuss some strategies on how to deal with ghosting to move your search forward. Don't miss these Topics:
What is ghosting and when does it occur in job search Strategies to deal with ghosting The role of networking in overcoming the silence The reasons for ghosting Mindset for success when you are ghosted
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We are talking about ghosting and i don't mean ghostbusters yeah or anything of that nature now. We're not talking about the paranormal so not normal but that's something else so by ghosting. We mean that radio silence you hear after hiring team has demonstrated interest in you and the role had promised we're going to move forward and it could be the company. It could be a networking contact. It could be anybody the idea that someone has expressed interest in you in in some fashion to some degree and then as you send your follow up or you're you're trying to get feedback. You don't hear anything back whenever i am asked about this. I always start with the idea that it probably has nothing to do with you. This is one of those and i know we've said this. Empire podcast is one of those things where it's hard not to wonder. What did i do wrong when most of the time name it has nothing to do with you. That's great advice scott but i did the networking. I did the application. I've been through interviews. They said they were gonna send me. An offer and heaven only knows. I have been in a position where i was. The hiring manager and something happened happened where we had to delay higher out. I had the presence of mind to let the applicant. No you know we're we're having to put this on. Hold will understand if you find another job before this one is we can move forward on it. That's the thing a lot of people get busy and they don't think about the things they don't think about in getting back to an applicant is probably one of those things they don't think about. Try not to take it personally. If there is something to learn from it. The lesson will show it is is what it is right and you don't control the internal workings of an organization that means you should go to the next one. Yes it also means. You need to take notes. What does that say about the organization. Is that something that's happening. Consistently with them is this indicator of what the future looks like for you. That's a really you want an organization where you feel like you're being valued. I been in the situation and i've talked to people when when you're unemployed. It's really hard to pick and choose if you are in a position where you need a job. It's hard not to just take whatever comes salaam to your point. If you're taking notes on how they treat the applicant the chances are pretty good. They're going to be treating their their employees the same way so if the treatment you're getting an applicant isn't what you would want to deal with on the job bear that in mind as you continue to tried to to work your way in there may be some unpleasantness involved if you actually landed the job and this cuts both ways that means if you have control control over the ghosting. You probably not do it. Thank you and if you're the company or you're the applicant doesn't matter don't goes people. I think the the easy explanation for a lack of follow up is that it's out of sight outta mind. Oh i forgot and okay. It's also just as easy when you put the appointment on your calendar to actually meet with this person at that time. Put a reminder for a week later to follow up and it's a very simple process or even schedule another meeting. I think that's valuable advice. If you're in a position where you had an interview and you are not clear on on the ...
Show Notes When in the networking and hiring process do I introduce my resume? That is a question often asked. How and when you introduce your resume is the topic of this episode. Don't miss these Topics:
To introduce, or not, the resume? When in the process of networking to present the resume What to say to increase your chances of getting interviews
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm andrew and i'm scott. This production action is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio were talking about the very best first time to introduce your resume in a hiring process. I always start this conversation because it comes up frequently for us. Can i have your resume. That's the question we always get and. I think that's an appropriate time to provide it. If you haven't if it's the right setting and that's really the crux of what we wanted to talk about if it's requested provided now there are appropriate settings for that if you are are in a situation where someone says you've had this conversation with him. It's been really rich you you feel like you've made that great connection and the opportunity -tunities truly opening up in the ask the resume absolutely say yes don't have it in your briefcase or book bag and ready to give it right then and i know no andrew you've said this to people as well because that makes you appear just a little too eager and desperate yeah so now so if i had asked you for your resume i would question was that the point of our conversation in the first place and now questioning your your motives instead ad i can have a copy on in an e mail a blank email that i sent to myself and i can then forward to this person just by asking for for either his phone number to text him or her or the email and then on using my phone i can send it on its way so they're still getting it great idea i would actually i'm gonna add that to my toolkit. Thanks for mentioning that getting that cell phone number is so critically important and that's one low friction way to get oh. Do you wanna copy resume sound great. Why don't i text it to you. What's your number right and on right here and then they can be reviewing it while while they're still thinking about you but the idea is you're. You're providing your contact information along with your resume. You're getting this person's contact information and a way to follow up huge getting that cell phone number added to your address book. You'll then know how to get a hold of that person whether they're at the office at the gym. They're still with that company to route with. That company doesn't matter. They're likely still have the same cell number that they had since they were well well well but then again they may give you their email address and that's okay too. If you get this l. number number ask for that. I mean texas about an email. Okay fine start with the text. I think the interesting discussion that we were having before we started today was where the resume is is today and what does that mean and with the advent of the internet. There's so much more of a rich experience online that what really role does the resume play today. We've we've talked about this in the past. I agree with you that the resume isn't really that useful anymore. Unfortunately it still required so having a good idea idea of how you present yourself. We talk in other podcasts. We've talked about personal branding. I know that that is a popular popular topic with coaches in how to brand yourself in a job market. I think it's critical that we we use that approach because how you land is as important as the skills and knowledge that you have if you don't know how you land that self awareness or lack of self awareness is is going to eventually become obvious and ...
Show Notes When you are in a situation where things just aren't right, and you feel out of place, that's when you may have lost that loving feeling for your work.
Learn strategies from Andrew and Scott to cope with that feeling for positive change. Don't miss these Topics:
Satisfaction versus Dissatisfaction How to Change Your current situations Advocating for your own happiness at work The Role of Networking in finding satisfaction Simple strategies for keeping track of what you love doing
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide meaningful support to fight great careers faster and that's whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio were opening the door on reality yeah. There's situations where you're working at a company and you just lost that loving that loving delia unfortunately unfortunately it happens to most people if not everyone at some point in their careers. You're in a job. Maybe it started out as your dream job. Things were looking great and then something changed because nothing lasts forever right so maybe it was your our best boss ever hired you into the job and helped you learn the things you need to do and that person moved on and the new boss doesn't care whatever the situation is you get into that position where you're maybe you're burned out here for whatever reason you're not enjoying working there anymore. It's normal satisfaction dissatisfaction. Yeah some of this has to do with external forces but your ownership of satisfaction dissatisfaction will depend on on your ability to say yes or not thing and often when I found is in fact. I'm in a situation now where yes I'm doing a lot of the work that I love but I'm not getting enough of it or I'm not being paid what I feel. I'm more all these things so really this this. The idea of resentment comes in we talked about that a little bit prior to coming on air there there are some things and the thing is I want to give the qualifier. This can happen regardless of your position. I have known people who are the top person at their company who also get dissatisfied for some reason. We have to understand that this is a human thing then we're not going to be supremely happy all day every day for the balance of our careers. It's it's not possible for that to really happen unless controlled rolled substance. Let's Lo we're going to set that aside. Okay but there are things that we can do to actually help us sort of keep our minds on the positive going down. The negative road is easy. People describe it as a slippery slope. It's normal. There's a problem with that. If for no other reason that you then start to bring other people with you and you can lose those professional relationships if you're always complaining about something if you're looking looking at different speeds satisfaction disatisfaction whatever your thinking about whatever you are looking for. You're gonNA find it so I think it's really important to start looking for the things that bring you happiness that bring you satisfaction Atas faction focus on the things that you like about the work that you do and as you continue to keep that in your focus you will attract more of that into your existence even documented we get to the valley so to speak and and we're resentful fool. We don't know why we're doing this. Nothing's going our way and we have you know we know there were days where things were much better but we didn't take the time to actually document what they were in what we were doing in why shorted liked to those things and if you're not a journal nature because some people keep journals all the time they that's how they process. They're thinking I personally. I've started many journals and brearley finish them.
Show Notes Scott and Andrew discuss the pitfalls the come with having and maintaining a presence on LinkedIn. To provide a better experience to you, remember the.. The 9 Things You Should Never Do On LinkedIn
Have a Blank Profile Photo, or Hide Your Photo. Have a Cheesy Head Shot, Selfie, or Cropped Wedding Photo. A Headline That Says "Seeking Opportunities" Empty Sections and No Content Under Experiences. Reaching Out To People for Connection Without Telling them Why or What for. Make your connections non-searchable. Post things way outside the purpose of your brand and presence on the platform. Ghost your connections - it's rude. Think you know LinkedIn better than someone else.
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew Scott this production this podcast. This radio show is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster and that's whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio we talk about the nine things you should never do on Linkedin we have touched on this subject before but we wanted to go through a few do things just to be really clear. There are probably as many experts on how to use LinkedIn as there are users of LinkedIn we have found that there are some patterns that work and some that don't and so we want to just help people to understand some of the things that may not land the way you think they do. If you WANNA use them especially. If you want to get the most out of the platform grass possible we all know in some cases is what to do but we don't know sometimes what not to do and the first thing not to do is don't not have a profile photograph. It is vital to have a photograph and I say that because part of getting you onto the search engine optimization for lack of a better term I can't think of the terminology algorithms but yet to be to get onto people researches. You have to have a complete profile so all of the different sections are filled out that includes your photograph. Don't make the mistake of thinking you're going to be. You know maybe maintaining your anonymity if you want to be you're not discriminate my age or my ethnicity or my get. What do I do get a good photograph and put that on because that's part of the networking program that they offer they want this to be as complete a picture of you as possible and so your photograph is important it also relates to consistency sometimes they say integrity and people think I'm challenging their their ethics but integrity means that you're the person on LinkedIn that shows up to the interview that there's no surprises there so it's not some glamour shot from nineteen eighty to well and that actually brings us to our second point and that is don't use poor four photograph a cheesy pick like the selfie nineteen eighty well? If if you've got really long arms were that nineteen eighty two glamour shot is probably not the one you want to use. You want to look like the photograph okay so if it's a really old photo I generally tell people don't use anything that's more than five years old and preferably no more than two that also means that some people find it more challenging to have a professional headshot taken. I totally only get that because not everybody can afford that. That's where the self as come in the picky about the photo that goes on don't please don't use wedding photos or photos from the beach or yeah where your your gut your arm around your body and your personal please don't do that. It doesn't matter how flattering that photograph is. It's really distracting to see who did he cut out have a headshot taken. It does not have to be a studio portrait. If you can afford that that's great. It certainly isn't your your facebook photo either. Although it can be if you keep it professional if you hav...
Show Notes 12 THINGS TO NEVER PUT ON YOUR RESUME
Too Much Information. Sensitive Personal Information. Long Sentences Full of Buzz Words and Commas. An Objective Section. The Word "Summary" or Variation Thereof As A Section Header. The Dates For Education. More Experience Than The Company Is Asking For. Pictures, Graphics, Emojis, Fancy Fonts, Watermarks. An Embedded Cover Letter. Redundant Usage Of Language and Information. Abundance Of Acronyms. Sidebars, tables, columns, bubbles.
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production has meant to provide meaningful support to you to find great careers faster whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio. We're talking about the twelve things not to put on your resume. Resumes are great. They're necessary. We we know we need to use them but I need to keep up with the times. we don't use resumes quite the same way we did ten twenty thirty years ago so it's important that we make sure that we are aware of what is currently not just acceptable but preferred so we wanna talk about a few things that maybe in the past some people have enjoyed using or doing to probably shouldn't at this point and resumes. If you look at the history I think they've only been around since the nineteen sixties. It's relatively new phenomenon in the world of work in the world of human existence right well of course mistake what I know there's lots of change change in that time and there's this new thing called the Internet and applicant tracking software and all these new players are on the scene that are insulating us from the ability to find work often. The things that we create to make things is easier also make things more complicated so we want to give some ideas on some things that maybe we've done in the past that we don't want to do moving forward because we want to make sure that your resumes are the ones that get to the top of the list. We want you in the short pile not the round file exactly and the first thing the number one thing in my estimation and I came up with this list so Scott will just take some credit for I added a little a little bit. Okay is too much information. I can't tell you how many resumes I've seen that are eight nine ten pages long and if you're doing something outside of the sciences that's probably overkill it is over even in the sciences depends on that whole thing right who's even going to understand it. Well and I'm one that my coworkers will tell me all day long how wordy I am. I know that to help with that. I usually have someone else. Look look at my resume to help me edit it down because if I'm repeating things that I don't really realize because I'm trying to get the story just right. Having a second set of is especially when you have a friend or colleague who look at that from your the opposite point of view somebody who only thinks or speaks bullet points is probably going to help you and it had down to the the the information you actually need. You may not be the type this really wordy in that case. He's stretching the information to fit a pager to might be a challenge but this is for those people that are extra wordy or feel like me. They're trying to overwhelm the audience. I've got to make sure I get every little detail exactly because it's important that everybody knows everything that I can do. No it isn't yeah the resume you look. It's a French word and you know French did idea okay resume means summary. It's a summary of your experience is not a catalog of everything when you've ever done right and that actually ties into another point we'll be making later about how much time we put on it. The corollary to this that I've seen a lot is people say oh I'm going to fit this on one page in and they try to shoehorn to page res...
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Just met a group of people through my current employer who do what I want to do [aka my dream job], how do I let the group know I want to join? My mom says I'm not networked enough to work out here. Could that be what it is? A coworker made the comment they didn't think they'd apply for a job that would be a lateral move but does sound kind of interesting as they didn't want to appear scattered and unfocused about their career. This had totally not ever occurred to me, what's your thoughts? Why do some recruiters flat out ignore profiles & offer jobs that are completely too high level, with me being under-qualified by a number of criteria, and still reach out? What defines the pay level in the contrast to the skills required? Is reaching out to a recruiter from a company too much, after submitting for a job on their site? After applying for the job, would it be too much to also reach out to a recruiter that works for said company on LinkedIn?
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The Truth About Online Applications - Why You Are NOT Getting Interviews iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View TranscriptToday on job seekers radio were doing a question the answer these are career questions that have come to us from all over and we have a few that we want to readout and respond to will do these occasionally where we grab these questions and answer because we find these consistent themes that come up over and over again and we wanna make sure that you have some tangible answers from scott myself right so will will mentioned this at the end as well but if you have questions whether in response to things we say in this podcast or any others a we want you to give us that feedback ask the questions either on the website or andy a rate and review and we will answer your questions is well it's super easy just go the job seekers radio dot com there's a contact us little section on their super you write it do let us know if you have questions we're gonna talk about a few questions here the first question is i just met a group of people through my current employer who do the type of work that i would like to do how do i lead the group no i want to join that particular group so where were our understanding this to mean that he is in he or she will just say he this time he's in a position he works for somebody who has a client and it's the client who is doing the work that this guy wants to do ultimately like an that could be pretty tricky but i think that if you're in especially if you're in sales position where you are being introduced to this group or company whatever it is an end you discovered that they do the kind of work you wanna do if you're in sales you should be doing a follow up conversation with him any way and so when you think about the fact that everyone likes to talk about what they do about their own strengths about the things that make them feel good a specially professionally then to go to that companies say hey i want to circle back i want to have a follow up conversation which you you sketch of that and you let the the the company no i want to know more about what you do how did you get into that kind of work how do you find clients how do you get involved in that and you're asking questions about that person's career that makes them feel good in so as you continue to show your curiosity about that and you could talk about your own skills that would make you a good candidate for doing that work you don't have to ask the company can i join you they will ask you to join them yes it'll just happened organic right because you took initiative you became an agent of your career an i would ask myself in this situation how is it that you're in a role but ...
Show Notes Protracted job searches can wear down your resilience. Dealing with repetitive rejection can lead to dejection.
Scott and Andrew discuss strategies to approach your rejection using empowering strength. Don't miss these Topics:
Knowing it's normal and healthy to feel dejected. Rejection is never about you. How to be an active agent of your career future. Changing perspective on failure. Preparing yourself to take a "no." Finding things you can control.
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Today on job seekers radio were talking about dealing with repetitious rejection and doing that with empowering strength have rejection something, everybody dislikes. There's a human being on earth that enjoys rejection. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that there may be somebody who's thank you, another. Yes. Generally speaking, nobody likes rejection. And when you get it over and over again, that can really mess with your head personal experience was during the great recession, I was unemployed for three years. And I really had a tough time. I was doing a little bit of consulting during the time. That's worked that I enjoyed then but it wasn't enough. And as time passed, I got more and more desperate. When you're in that situation, the feelings of doubt are inescapable. So the idea of having empowering strength can seem to be out of your rage. Well, whether it's you being overlooked for promotion, or you know, you're doing everything you can to get an interview, but nothing's happening or maybe had some great interviews. And no go. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually had a coal with the gentleman this week, who had been looking for a year four hundred applications or some such thing he'd had a handful of interviews. No offers. He had an ino-. Here's the thing, Scott. He'd also paid for coaching. He paid for a resume writer, he made all the investments, he he was doing all the right thing. And he was still feeling dejected. Yeah. From all the rejection as I say it's inescapable to feel that way. I guess there are a few things that I say to people when they bring this to me, is, first of all, you have a right to feel that way, it is normal, and healthy to feel that way. You shouldn't get down on yourself because you feel that way because this is a normal reaction. Yes, we wanna do something different, so that you can change the way you feel. And that's really where we where we go with this conversation. The first step. App. In understanding, what's happening is rejection is never about you. It is always about the other person that opens the door there. Many possible reasons why that person isn't making the connection that you want them to make. But it is not about you. It is not about your employability, or your ability to move up, or your worthiness or really any of the, the things that we tell ourselves that. Oh on not good enough. Because fill in the blank, right? It's usually because someone else is reacting or they have something else in mind, or they don't know what they want that often happens and as tough as it is to do a job. Search getting those impersonal emails and no engagement from the other side. It stinks it in so I can see how that would wear down on somebody in. And it's normal for that to happen. That's why we always encourage people to do the networking piece is gonna put you at an advantage. But the idea here is there not rejecting you. They might have accepted somebody else. And if that's the case, then again, it's not about you. It's about them accepting somebody else, but that doesn't mean they're saying no to you. You're saying yes to somebody. Yes. And the, the other side of that is if they say that your qualifications weren't as good matches they want I encourage people to ask why you may not get the answer. And that's also not about you.
Show Notes When life changes and you are in or expecting to move to a new city, finding work can be a challenging process. Steps can be taken to improve your chances and plan for the expectations you have in relocating to a new geography.
Scott and Andrew discuss the components to consider when considering a location change.. Don't miss these Topics:
Preparing to discuss the WHY behind your relocation. Mapping the timelines and communicating that to various audiences. Preparing financially for the relocation and hiring process. Dealing with the timeline optimal versus the actual timeline. Discussing your plans with a current employer Building a team of advocates - the people that will support. Appearing as local as local can be. Planning the frequency for visits Value of LinkedIn and best practices. Logistics for interviews. What to do when there's no relocation assistance. Identifying local associations and publications in your domain
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Today on job seekers radio were talking about how to find a job in a different city. Right. That remote job search if you will, we're not talking about remote work at home. But how do I find a job say my wife and I talk a lot about Italy. How would I find a job in Italy? Yeah, I can't speak to international moves, but I can't speak to interstate moves within the US. And so I imagine it's going to be similar, obviously with international moves. You've got a whole lot of layers to get through, and I have no. Yeah. And we're permit exactly all that so into every country is different. I back many years ago, I was looking at the possibility of moving to France and looking at their requirements. I happened to find a website about how to be an illegal alien in France. And I didn't think that was a good idea. So all different countries have different rules. And there's a lot of research that goes into that, that I only done some and I'm not really up on that. But I can talk about the interstate moves or even interested. If you're for example, your your living in southern California, and you wanna move to northern California. There are things that you can do to set that up. Well while in fact, you actually relocated to Portland from somewhere else. Right and vice versa. Yes, he ended up finding workout estate and that just exactly worked out for you. But the idea, here is that you deliberately have a purpose for relocating somewhere. Exactly. So when I when I was in California, I wanted to come back home to Portland, because this is where I grew up. I have felt for some time that this is a really good fit for me here. And so I wanted to get back into that to primarily detested is, in fact, where I belong, and of course, things have gone. Well, since I came back, there are a few things that I tell people when they when they asked me, how do I get a job in another city? There are some things that you want to be prepared for. And the first one is be able to talk about. Why, why are you reload relocating to a new place or in my case to an old place? A place where you used to be that haven't been for awhile, and it's not because you want to make up a story. It's that you want to sound confident in telling your story. So I tell people practice practice your story, so you can be concise, so you can. Make it sound as compelling for the other person. And as you feel it is for yourself and that way, they don't think that you're just making it up just to get a job because that sense of desperation doesn't make anybody look good. And you're confident in your communication makes them confident in you. Yes and also allows them to see okay if I do pay for the relocation or not, I might have to go get the funds for that. And if this guy's good enough or gal I might consider paying for that, that relocation sheri-,
Show Notes Getting passed over or not hearing anything back from an interview can be frustrating. Identifying the "why" behind a rejection can often be summed up in the measurement of trust between a hiring team and a candidate.
Andrew and Scott talk about the ins and outs of building trust with hiring teams. Don't miss these Topics:
Which would you rather have: love or trust Why trust is the foundation for positive relationships Expanding your circle of trust The role of trust in getting interviews and offers Attributes to emulate: consistency, truthful, integrity, authentic, trustworthy The time needed and the efforts to deliver predictable behavior The value of 3rd party referrals and endorsements Expanding your reach within affinity groups Rapport building skills Helping the interviewer experience Building others confidence in you to get to the next step How to be curious and ask questions Measurements of trust
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Today, seekers radio were actually accessing, one of the most critical things you can take advantage of, in your search where you're working or not. And that is building trust with hiring teams whether it's getting interviews or getting offers. Yeah. Trust is the basis of a relationship of a positive relationship. I think I've said this before, but I remember years ago when I was in college, the instructor asking us, the professor asked us, which would you rather have love or trust? And of course, most people raise their hands when he asked about love and his point was, I would rather have someone trust me because I can love you and still not trust you that a relationship is limited if I trust you and love you that relationship. Is unlimited. Trust is really the basis now if you really distrust, someone the chances are pretty good that, that relationship will never be as fruitful. It will probably end at some point is kinda like meet the faulkners, right? Yeah, there's, there's a circle of trust, and it's likely each one of us has a circle of trust that is kind of a joke. But the idea is probably more people that you trust fewer people that you trust than those that you love. Yes. And if you think about the van diagram, and that the different circles that you have, whether that you're working Byron meant plus your home environment. Plus your, your outside social environment. Those are three different areas and you're looking to stay in that sweet spot, that's going to be true even of different teams at, at work, or if you're not in a job right now, the different people that you're your networking with all of that is going to play a part it's building the scope, expanding your area of trust to include more people and that takes what is trust? Think about that for a second and just kind of wrap your head around that Scott, as we start talking here. What I mean by what is trust is not in a definition kind of way. But what is trust when it? Relates to hiring somebody and what is trust when it comes to getting interviews or going from an interview to offer phase? What are the components that we can talk about that relate to trust in one of the things that I always think about his consistency and consistency in terms of your, your resume, your linked in profile the way, you're presenting yourself, personally to another human being on hiring team being consistent throughout and I'm a firm believer that the only way to be consistent in that way, is to be truthful. I, I know you, we hear all the time about people. Oh, well, she interviewed well, and what's interesting is to see how the person who didn't necessarily present himself or herself, authentically, and honestly, in the interview, and they did really well and they got the job. What their trajectory then looks like once their reality becomes v...
Show Notes Having confusion and doubt about what jobs are available for your skills is normal. Discovering how to find the "right" position that leverages all your strengths requires deliberate planning and self awareness.
Andrew and Scott discuss ideas around finding what jobs you would be qualified for and how to find them. Don't miss these Topics:
How to determine if you are a fit, or not Finding roles and job postings that align with your strengths Feeling qualified versus being qualified Relative accuracy of job postings online
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Jobseeker's radio. I'm Andrew and I'm Scott. This production is meant to provide you the listener meaningful support to land, great careers faster. And that's why they're you're working or not today on job seekers radio. We're talking about what job. Am. I really qualified for this is coming from the perspective. Scott of situations where I've had candidates, they come to me. They have a list of stuff, right? Skills, strengths experiences education all that. And they don't know where they fit in the marketplace. And so this podcast episode is revolving around, how do I understand based on my current situation? What I'm qualified for in the marketplace. Maybe I'd been in a role or a company for a long time. Right. Whatever that long time means so they're two prongs to this. First of all, there are those who they know the. Kind of job, they want, but they don't think they're fully qualified for it, but there's also what do I do, when I just don't know where to go, and we've, we've already talked and prior podcasts about how do you make choices about career and how do I pick a direction, and we can refer back to those prior podcasts for some of that thinking, but really, how do I determine what I'm qualified for? I will always direct clients back to what you want to do with what really drives you? And if there are several different things that drive you several kinds of work, then pick one, try decide, what that looks like what the end result might be. And then we can talk about how do you qualify currently. And how do you build skills to increase that qualification? But all of that is workable. We had talked, I think before the podcast came. On I might've even shared this in a prior episode. But there was some research done that said the odds of getting an interview are the same. If you meet fifty percent of the requirements versus about ninety percent there was no recognizable increase in your ability to gain from blind application. Of course, is we're not talking networking at this time. But I think that's validation for me that anything is possible. I would agree. And I encourage you, if we focus on what Scott said, we just talk about the drivers things we wanna do often our audience, the hiring team whoever it is were talking to about our drivers are going to say, I think you're a fit for this, okay? Now, I just had somebody validate first person what my drivers are translating to in their organization. And I think it's really important before you. You go into any kind of employment conversation is to know what those drivers. Are you have to be able to speak clearly concisely about what matters to you with right? If you don't know what you're looking for. That's gonna show through. I mean, in our breakfast club meeting, we've had people come in, and, and we ask at the beginning, okay, what's your story, and we have them start talking about what they've done in the past with they're looking for in the future. And neither of us get and ideas of what they actually want to do. And I'm I'm hard pressed to help someone who is just standing there. Wait at saying, tell me what to do. I can't. If someone doesn't have the ability to talk at least about, what is it that they're working on in the moment...
Show Notes Chasing the dream job will occasionally fall short in the compensation category. Scott and Andrew talk about ideas and strategies for turning your dream job into a well paying vocation. Don't miss these Topics:
How to handle the interview conversations Will the dream job really pay Turning your idea into reality even if you are working Real life coaching stories
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Today on job seekers radio. We're talking about when the dream job just doesn't pay so. Well, right. I think most of us who have been down the career path for any length of time, have run into this at least once. I am of the opinion that we should follow what we truly enjoy. Because the more you enjoy the less feels like work, and the word passion is often used in that sense. Follow your passion! Recently, I've been hearing, other coaches talk about how that may not be great advice, and I'm not going to go there, because I really think it depends on the person and what really drives you. If the idea of driving towards your passions keeps you motivated towards your goals. Go for it right? So I'm not going to get hung up on the words. I am of the opinion that we should be doing things that really make us happy, that brings us pleasure. Hopefully brings us joy, there's a difference there. There is also point where sometimes following that following our bliss doesn't pay the bills. It's so funny you mentioned that because I had a conversation with the client actually just this morning about that same thing. And, you know, she was looking at all of the job titles, and job descriptions, going scratching the head. I don't know what I wanna do will just tell me what you enjoy doing. Right. And what part of your job is soul sucking, and what part of your job is like, soul affirming, and creating and right. The gives you joy, and you have a smile, every time, you do it and often people don't go back in look at the definition. Passion, and really, if you looked at the definition at something that's worthy of you for, which you should sacrifice that you'd be willing to sacrifice to pursue it. And I think if that is your definition as you're looking for that job. The sacrifice can be money as long as you're paying the bills, right there. There is a breaking point. And sometimes we have to put off that passion. But that doesn't mean we have to stop making it our goal we can still be working towards that. And keeping an eye on that, for those who do vision boards or other activities that help keep our minds focused on our goals. Then by all means put that on the vision board. Put it in, you know, this the sticky note on your mirror, whatever that looks like for you keep going, don't sacrifice your future based on what you're doing for today. So that's the caveat that I generally give the other side of that. And. Not meaning to get into the negative right away, but just to help people stay of Jackson when, when they're working on this. If you are taking job because they say, all the right things they say they believe in all the things that you believe in and you take the job knowing that you're going to be underpaid whatever that looks like then you have to take responsibility for the outcomes as well. I have this has happened to me, a couple of times in my career where I've taken a job where they say, all the right things, and they, they really try to show me that this is what they believe in. Right. And they are values and I seem to be in perfect alignment with those values and over time. I realized that what they do, actually isn't really an alignment to what they say they believe. And so now I'm working people that I no longer trust, because I trusted them to. Live what they believe at. No point is this truly their fault other than they're not being authentic. They're not in the interview, not in the right, right.
Show Notes Attending networking events in a group setting can be challenging. Getting results from attending them as a job seeking professional requires some do's and don'ts.
Andrew and Scott discuss the Good and the Bad from the trenches of networking both as job seekers and as employed executives. Don't miss these Topics:
The components of successful group events from the perspective of the host and the job seeking attendees Strategies that work and strategies that don't work so well when you are in the trenches at a networking event. What you control and what you con't control when you get to the event. Evaluating group events and evaluating which ones you will attend again (or not).
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Looking to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant for you the job seeking professional to provide meaningful support to get great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today seekers radio, we continue our talk about networking from the trenches. Yeah, we're going to talk a little more about the good and the bad. What happens and this time we want to talk about group events these are the networking events. That may be created by different groups that have different affinities different starting points different perspectives. It could be industry based it could be professional level. Whatever starts that conversation. And they put together an event where people get together these things can go well, and sometimes they don't go. So well, so we wanna talk about some of the experiences that we've had with that. And how to navigate that. Because it's not always really apparent what the best thing to do. We're really looking to. Give you some ideas. Good and bad about how to optimize your group experience. And there's many different types of groups vailable be really clear about your expectations from any group of bent that you're going to attend and stabs those up front. Absolutely. Every one of these groups has a purpose. Okay. So I think about one that I was involved in years ago that it was really just executives and top management positions. Everything from a director, like department director on up to CEO's, and they really wanted to maximize the connections made at that level makes perfect sense. There were some good things that came of at some not so good things of it. There's another group that I have been involved in that has absolutely no limits to who can attend, and you can imagine how many different kinds of people attend diversity. Yes. God, what's? Really interesting was even though I talked to others. Oh, well, I don't meet anybody worthwhile. Those I've not gonna go. I've actually made some of my best friends networking friends from those kinds of groups. And I really think it's the diversity that makes that happen. You realize where you are in the greater scheme of things, and the they're going to be people there that have it worse than you. There are going to be people who actually have it better than you. And what can we learn from this as we approach the different group events and think about what the purpose of that group may be if we have an open mind, what may come of that? Then the chances are pretty good. We're going to get something. Good from it. It really depends on what you put into it. If there are membership requirements, you have to be on a certain level or you have to be able to have X number of contacts. I remember being involved in a group years ago that you had to have at least one. Hundred and fifty connections Lincoln or they wouldn't allow you in the group. Interesting. Well, because they wanted this to be a networking, and so you had to be able to offer something to the group. It wasn't just they didn't want any takers come in. Well, you know in that case, I would be the philosophy. Hey,
Show Notes Networking for jobs comes with a number of pitfalls. Getting in the trenches with other people, setting up these meetings by introductions requires some finesse.
Scott and Andrew Don't miss these Topics:
What makes a good networking introduction. Best practices to improve the number of meetings scheduled with key people. What can go wrong during the introduction process. Managing the expectations of each party involved. Developing your own standards and professional etiquette Understanding the possible responses and what they mean. The value and occasional inaccuracy of LinkedIn.
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Job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide you the job seeking listener was support to find great careers faster. And that's whether you're working or not today job seekers radio were really going into the trenches by the trenches. I mean getting into the fray with networking, right? There are good and bad. Right. We we have to learn how to roll with bunches. And certainly if you've been looking for work for a long time that gets a little tougher you feel like you're pushing the boulder uphill. So we want to go over a few things just to sort of keep us on track. As we continue in these trenches know that you're not alone. There are people in the same boat or in the same trench mixing my metaphors here networking works. Even when you have those uncomfortable moments. It doesn't mean that networking isn't for you. It just means that. That specific connection may not be a good one for you, Scott. I have both been in the trenches. And we've seen the good and we've seen the bad at we're going to share with you some of the things that we've learned through a lot of uncomfortable conversations. And also a lot of good conversations. Really? Yeah. What those look like. And and really the thing that you need to focus on a job seeker is I the introductions right? And so what makes a good introduction? And when you approach this think about what are your expectations. Both in terms of how the introduction is made. And how the the person is responding, and the reason why I start with that is generally when we walk into something that with expectations. We are probably going to be disappointed at the point. I try to help people understand that whatever your expectations are be prepared to have them to be disappointed because. Not everyone is going to respond the way we would. And that's okay. We are going to get a riot of responses. And if we start looking at what might be behind that what may have caused that person's specific response. We may be able to gain a perspective that gives them the bench for the doubt. It may. Also, give us information that we want to know that would steer away from that person future. And we'll get to that. I just really think about baggage. We've all got baggage or skeletons in the closet, whatever I like to think baggage because at least minus Louis Vitton right down. What's in? It. Could be a well, we won't go with the idea being that we all have things that were going through. You know, I think about the top stressors. And there's been a lot of research done on. What of the hardest things for people to go through all the first one is death of spouse. The next one would probably be something. Divorce? Right. The third one would be something like moving apparent that's in the hospital or child in a house. Right, right. There are lots of things up there. So we don't know because we don't control that side of the question. We can only control the introduction. We may. And having an understanding an empathy when we make that introduction. If I made an introduction for you wanna find out first, what is your interest in meeting that person?
Show Notes Job satisfaction is a choice. Having an idea of what you want to do can be found by asking really good questions.
Andrew and Scott discuss techniques for being satisfied and finding satisfaction in your work or job search. Don't miss these Topics:
Understanding what you really want The process of making changes when you are working Discovering how to take control of your career
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide. You the listener meaningful support defined great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today job seekers radio we cover some really sensitive and important topics including this idea of career choices job satisfaction. And the decisions that we make based on our circumstances. I love the idea of how do I get up and out of the circumstances? And I generally start this conversation thinking about the book the power of now by Eckhart Tolle. I have no idea if I'm pronouncing his name correctly. The idea that what's happening today is only today circumstances. It is not the definition of life or me or whatever. And so as I approach what's happening today. If I think about the only moment that truly matters his now and the decisions that I make. Now because that's the only thing I can truly deal with. He he talks about the fact that you can't do anything about the past because it's passed. You can't really do anything about the future. All you can do is what you can do right now today the power of now, and as a result as you think about the circumstances that are happening. They don't define you. It's just what's happening. I can take a dispassionate view of these circumstances and start to look at the decisions that I am making right now extrapolate where they may lead and decide is that what I want that's a much healthier view than. Oh, well, I'm waiting for my prince to come so to speak, right? Reminds me of quote in Kung Fu panda by Master Oogway who said yesterday, it's history. Tomorrow's a mystery today. It's a gift. Yeah. So think of it that way what we're talking about. Here really is how to approach this idea of how do. We change the career where in how do we make a good choice. A good decision for us at this time. Right. And how do we generate satisfaction in the job? We had a conversation with someone recently who really didn't know what he wanted to do. And he grew up in he's grown up. I totally empathize with that point of view. I've had several careers in my life. There are a whole bunch of decisions that I've made and they've sent me down different paths all of them in the long view of you know, looking back over my life. I realized how one has led to the other. And then that's helpful even though they've been very different. It's only in that moment of right now. And here he was trying to get an answer for us. Well, what should I do? And we kept coming back to what you want to do. It's a decision. We have to make individually nobody else can make it for us. So the sooner we can get into that moment of Lau. Why do I want to do that the sooner were actually going to make the progress? We want. See you as a listener maybe in a situation where hey, I'm just using my skills to pay the bills what you're in. Now. Maybe isn't what you want. But that's by choice. Everything is choice. We talk about that. I would suggest if you're new to our podcast that you subscribe. And maybe go back and listen to some of the prior episodes. So you can get a feel for what we're talking about. Everybody has a choice if you're staying in a place that isn't meeting your needs, professionally fulfilling,
Show Notes You got the interview. You wrote the thank you note. You followed up with an email. You called the recruiter. What's next?
Scott and Andrew talk about the Do's and Don'ts of following up for interviews and networking. Don't miss these Topics:
The power of empathy. Golden and Platinum Rule Refining your approach to following up When do you give up Thinking outside the box of HR recruiter Positive and effective ways to followup well
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Job-seekers radio Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio. We're talking about follow up. How much is too much and win. Can we cross that line to where we become an annoying pestering fool, right? Rather than an exceptionally qualified. Awesome candidate exactly follow up as one of my favorite, topics. I've said many times you may have heard it in in prior podcasts. I'm sure you will hear it in the future for me. Follow up is the most important step of any process if you aren't following up. Well, you're you don't know if it truly works other than Donal evidence. And I'm not gonna get into a lot of debate over this. I've just find that if you follow up in a thoughtful manner that the chances of success, whatever it is. You're trying to do. To increase if you're thinking that it's too much. It probably is. Yeah. Put yourself in their shoes. How often would you wanna be followed up with and how much and what method and what does that look like kind of us a little bit of empathy and put yourself in their position. Sure. And understand the context of what your follow it might be related to. So I've been unemployed several times been laid off just from the nature of the work that I've done and the result is I end up looking for work afterwards. I've done this many times. I've also been a hiring manager. I tend to see people behaving toward me when I was looking for an employee similarly to how I was behaving as well. And so as I look at the things that work for me, the things that don't work for me from these candidates. It's sort of bringing in full circle. And I. Get a different understanding of how I might have been coming across. If I was following up too often or not often enough what I was saying as I was following up. All of these things came into better, focus, so short of becoming a hiring manager all of a sudden, you will want to put your own activities through that filter to see how it works on the other side. And you'll never know exactly what the other person might be thinking. And that's okay. Think of all the times where follow up could make a difference in your career. That's how we're approaching this could relate to an interview it could just be you try to build relationships inside your organization, it could be you wanting to do career change, whatever the context is networking interviewing what have you? This podcast episode is really dedicated to help you get better at that activity in terms of how you approach people and the approach really does make. Difference. If your intent is to build strategic relationships that you want to incubate over time, you're always going to be seeking people that fit that that mold rather than maybe tactical series of things you do just to get a job or an offer or. Yes. Afind out status on your application. Whatever it might be your goal is different. When you want to establish these relationships, it's the relationship that becomes the goal that what a successful relationship looks like in this context is going to take time to build all of that changes the way you're defining the road to success. So the approach does shift really quite quite dramatically with that said, you're also going to want to think about what strategically could benefit both sides of that networking conversation over time as I'm tal...
Show Notes how long is it going to take, really? This is a very common question. Both Scott and Andrew have heard this question frequently. The variety of asking can influence the way in which it is answered. Don't miss these Topics: What qualities determine how long it will take to find a job?
The Level of The Role you Are Seeking. The higher the role, the longer it will take. Activities Use To Find Work: Effective job search as measured by conversions to interviews. Supply and Demand In Your Marketplace. Economics 101 - high demand and low supply generates faster placement. Asking Better Questions of Yourself. Crafting a better ask, will generate a better answer.
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Aw. Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this is a production meant to provide. You the listener meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio were answering. The lifelong question how long is it going to take to get a job? Well, it depends depends. Are you talking about the undergarments that you use older? But suppose, if that something you need to deal with and you know, maybe you should consider that. No, we're talking about this, maybe. Okay. Off to a great start. We are asked to this question. Just about every time we get together in a networking scenario. We hear it all the time. It is going to be a question that we've asked ourselves that others will ask us that we hear people asking each other. This question is never going away. And it, unfortunately, there's no good answer that covers everybody. It may be just have to ask a better question. We'll talk about that later on in this episode. The feeling I get is it really depends on how you ask it because it may be like, oh, how long is this going to take or you could be at the front end of the search. And you're wondering how long is this going to take a really depends on your mindset? And we talk about that in a lot of the episodes out here is where is your mindset? I really think that the the best approach to answering this question. First of all you have to understand that the answer that. You're going to find is going to be different from any other answer than anybody else finds because we're all in a unique situation as a result. We start looking for the answers internally in a future podcast. We're going to talk about looking for a success from external sources, and and the the liabilities involved in that. But I wanna touch on that for a moment. Because if I'm always looking for someone else to answer the question, I'm always going to find that it's a little bit off. Because no one else is going to be an exactly the same situation for me. And what works for them isn't always going to work for me. But there are ways for us to take what has worked for others. Try it on for size and see how that works for us. What it brings? Because really the way to answer that question for my experience has been what am I doing in my job search, and what of that is actually working what you really asking is what qualities or what components would. Determine how long is it gonna take to get a job? Exactly. And there's a lot. And there's a lot of them the first one I would look at is the level in terms of seniority in the organization, if you're looking director or executive level. The presumption is of course, depending on the other components will talk about here is that it's going to take longer. The companies are more deliberate about this hiring decisions. There might be more stakeholders involved, and it just gonna take longer. It may also be an organization that has a lot of back story that they want to undo they want to shift the focus or shift th...
Show Notes You work so hard to get the interview, why botch it? Take some time to learn the pitfalls to avoid so you dominate the interview with offers. Join Scott and Andrew as we share the top mistakes. 9 Mistakes To Avoid When Interviewing
Not Doing Any Research on the Company and Position Not Preparing for the Common Interview Questions Assuming you are "Good Enough" Not Having Any Questions to Ask the Hiring Team Not Knowing Anyone Inside Forgetting To Follow-Up Lack of Self-Awareness related to Skills-Employer Match Relying Too Heavily on Nervousness Not Checking your Appearance
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Aw. Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide you meaningful support defiant. Great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today seekers radio we cover the nine mistakes to avoid when you're interviewing now, this is a favorite topic for us. We talk to people all the time about interviewing skills. There are classes probably every economic of every employment development office in the country. There are many resources to end yet. We find that. It is probably a hidden talent market for those who truly interview. Well, and I'm not talking about those who quote interview. Well, and then turn out to be something else. Once they get on the job were just talking about having a good interviewing conversation. So the first mistake to avoid actually is not doing any research on the company or the people you. You're about to meet, right? I can't tell you. How many people have come in? When I've been interviewing to hire. They come in thinking that their skills will speak for themselves. And they haven't done the research, I pick up on it right away. And most people do I'm not I'm not special here. Wait a minute. It's got to read my resume yet. Probably did which is why you're here today. But if you haven't shown enough interest in my company to actually know what to talk about it's gonna show right away. And that can be a very quick disqualifier. And it's a small investment of your time to overlook this is just nonsensical. Right. Just doesn't make any sense. We have the internet his days and most companies have an internet presence. Now. Maybe they're not really good. If you're with a small company, maybe they haven't done something that that is really friendly on your phone, but they still probably have a website. You can find out something about them. Just doing. Google search class horror glass to work series. I be so surprised if there wasn't a whole bunch of stuff on glass door that you can learn about that company right now, it is a simple mistake that simply should not happen. And in full disclosure, I've done that. And I realized once I walk in. I don't have enough information. And I can't blame them when they don't call me back because I didn't show enough caring to do that research. There's no excuse. I mean, whatever the motivation is it could be that. You don't want the position, but they invited you for an interview anyway. Yeah. Still just because now my professional credibility is on the line. Of course, we'll get to excuses in a moment. But the next mistake to avoid is not prepared for the standard questions that you know, everybody's going to ask right? I would say nine interviews out of ten have five or six very basic questions things like tell me about yourself. What should we know about you that really doesn't have a? Well, it has many meanings or purposes as it does people who ask they want the conversation to start. They want to know a little bit about you. And they want to know why they should listen to you beyond the your answer be prepared with something.
Show Notes Networking can present some new and unique situations, especially if you are looking for work. Andrew and Scott discuss the biggest mistakes to avoid when networking for jobs. 7 Mistakes To Avoid
Talking About Yourself Non-Stop Not Asking Questions Not Talking About Yourself At All Not Asking For Referrals Introducing Your Resume Not Following Up Demanding Employment
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Jobseeker's radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today job seekers radio we talk about mistakes to avoid win networking, right? The first thing that I tell people is something I have done. In fact, I I want to preface this that all of these mistakes. We're going to talk about today I've done and I have to both of us have. So I'm speaking from experience what not to do because it's usually embarrassing once I've realized that this what I've done and the first thing that came to mind when the question came up was talking about myself nonstop networking should be a two way street. So if I'm doing the talking that becomes a problem, and they talk you'll hear people talk about good communication is an eighty twenty. You do eighty percent listening and twenty percent talking. And then if you feel like it's fifty. Fifty probably been talking too much. I'm not gonna argue with that. I don't think the percentage is really important. But I find that my own style is one where I'm going to make connections that that's where I go. I and so as I'm talking to someone and they say something resonates with me. I don't take the time to really listen deeply to what they're saying. And ask them questions to dive in. What I what I instinctively do is connect by saying, oh, I did the same thing or I had a similar experience or you know, I have this commonality, and it's not because I'm trying to talk. It's that I'm trying to connect. But that doesn't always come across that way. Well in our insecurities come out to right. Oh, never do. Well, so here it is. You know, we're talking about ourselves because we're nervous were insecure. We don't know what we should be saying if we haven't done a lot of networking is really hard to not fill the air with something. Right something. What was most ourselves? So. Sometimes it just feels like you're talking non stop and the other person just kind of tuning out, maybe even looking at their phone looking over their shoulder. So just recognize that, you know, when you're talking too much when somebody just kinda glazes over and stops paying attention, and they're not engaged in any kind of dialogue. Right. So what do you do when you find yourself in that situation? Ask questions. Yep. Yep. So I mean, that's the second thing that we need to talk about his, hey, not asking questions is one of the biggest mistakes you can avoid when doing networking. Yes. And make sure that the questions that you ask actually make sense generally the best way to do that. As to ask a question based on what the other person just said, that's the definition of deep listening. You'll hear people talk about it as active listening, you want to allow at least for the time being the other person to guide the conversation, and you can do that by asking questions about. Oh, well, tell me more about that. Or how did that work out for you? Or, you know. What did you learn from that? And these are ways for that to keep them talking. But that you're truly interested because you're always listening to understand not just to reply course, that also leads to another mistake. And that is not talking about yourself at all. And that is huge for me.
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? This is a production man to provide meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio were actually answering a plethora of questions from read it at least four or five whatever we have time for. That's right. And so we often find that there's a lot of great content and support unread it as a platform so that you can get farther along in your career, right? There are more than five questions on read it. But we've chosen a few to address today there will be some others in the future. But this is a good place to start the first one that we're going to address here is from Nico ghost. Who wrote isn't a bad idea to quit a job over an abusive boss, and the back story is I've been working at this job for over five months now, and it was fun. But lately, my boss has been meaner and meaner to me like she'll tell me, I'm worthless one minute. And then tell me I'm doing a great job the next and co workers have been telling me that. She talks about me behind my back saying I do nothing while I'm in the middle of doing something it's gotten so bad that other co workers are trying to protect me as best. They can I really don't want to quit as loved the job itself. But my boss makes me want to cry every day, and it's hard to find jobs in my area. Anyway. So should I stick it out? Or would it be better to move on? And find a new job. Yes. Always be looking for a new job. That's great advice. Those of us who have been through sales for any length of time in our careers know that a good salesman never stops. Looking now with that said the abuse needs to stop. And if you have not yet had a conversation about how you feel about these interactions that would be the first step and a lot of people are intimidated, or they feel like they can't have that conversation because they don't know how to give that kind of feedback without it seeming like an accusation. We'll name might be afraid to get fired. Exactly you go any kind of retaliation. Yeah. I mean, I don't wanna be looking over my shoulder either. Right because in environment where you want to build trust with your co workers. You don't want the boss hamstring India? You'll also on your coworkers to do all the work for you. Because that is going to do as packed your confidence. I always recommend people. Ask permission. Meaning whenever you have an observation you're making about a superior or somebody that you don't feel comfortable having a conversation with. Hey, scott. You know, would it be okay. If I share something with you. I think might be helpful for both of us to make our career or work load here better. Yeah. I think that's a great idea. Because now you're actively engaging them before you talk about what's difficult by by doing. So you're starting the conversation with a yes, if they say, no, I don't have time then bring it up later. But the idea is you do want to engage them with them making the first. Choice to say yes at that point. I usually go with the SBA model for giving feedback and t...
Show Notes Being in a position of desperation can be difficult. Having ways to cope with and manage it effectively is the topic of this episode.
Join Scott and Andrew as they discuss real world tactics to deal with desperation. Don't miss these Topics:
Where desperation comes from Benefits of a Gap Job Taking Stock of Your Fears Where are you really and how bad is it? Ideas around making progress when there might be little hope Positioning your skills and strengths enthusiastically
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio were talking about how to network when you're desperate. I have quite a bit of experience this having been laid off. We've oh six times. Yeah. You got five or six I got four. Yeah. It's been interesting. How that comes up and admittedly some periods of unemployment have been quite short. But others have lasted a lot longer than I was comfortable doing and desperation the time that I was unemployed for a period of years. Yeah. I was desperate that the topic is important to me because I know others go through this. It is a tough time being unemployed is probably one of the hardest things, especially if you're employed. For a long period. It's going to be one of the hardest things you will ever encounter. I would put it up there with divorce because I can talk about that too about bankruptcy. There are a whole bunch of life experiences that are really really negative and being unemployed for a long period of time is going to rank pretty high on the list. I can tell you. I hate it. I absolutely all do hated it. And I think the emotions that go through and the the pariah and the the Monica of unemployed, and oh, you're out of work. You know, all those conversations are still fresh in my mind. Yes, there's a lot of judgment vault and most of the time and something will touch on by the end of this conversation is that most of that judgment is internal. It's how we feel about ourselves. Whether it's at this age, I should be unemployed. I should be preparing for retirement, whatever that is the. The that judgment is often worst internally, and it's not actually coming from other people. If you're in a position where you really really I mean really need a job we suggest go get a job it jump. And and that sounds rather flippant. But the idea is there are people out there hiring right now, I have driven by a number of places the metropolitan transit authority here in Portland called Tri met. They most of their buses have tremendous hiring. I've seen a postings out front of Home Depot recently that they are hiring. There are jobs out there, and it's not necessarily going to be a career. It's not necessarily going to be something you're going to be passionate about and loving it, and they treat you exactly the way you've always wanted to be it may not be like that. But there are advantages. I'd say steppingstone. Yes, it really is just a stepping stone to something better. And they know that this is going to be stepping stone. That's why they pay what they pay. And that's why they're jobs are open is because their high turnover all those things are true. Right. But for you the benefit is that my mind now is released from that fear that anxiety that worry how going to earn a living where my mom, where's my next paycheck gonna come from? And it may be a situation where the job you have to take doesn't pay enough. And we understand that too. And you may need to take a second job, and none of that necessarily feels good. But I'm going to suggest that unemployment takes a bigge...
Show Notes Advanced planning after College requires a proactive approach. Thinking about your future is not wasted time for anyone.
Scott and Andrew discuss some ideas and techniques you can utilize now to make a difference in your career future. Don't miss these Topics:
Whenever your education ends, prepare for it now. Employment Types during and after college to consider. Building an online presence. Activities that will lead in your desired career path Ways to identify target companies and industries What should I do with LinkedIn? How should I approach the people I want to network with?
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this production is meant to provide you meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not today seekers radio were talking about how to prepare for college graduation after college that is or any graduation experience, I suppose, and what do I do? Now, we are prior episode. We talked about the choices that we might make and this sort of relates to that were sort of addressing those who think they have a career path. They know basically what they want to do. But they don't know how to take the first steps or maybe there's just too many steps to choose from. But how do I make these kinds of decisions? And there are probably as many different ideas on how to address this. As there are people. You can talk to which is kind of the point. Well, we recognize that the people listening to this may be in school. They have obligations to fulfil their they have term papers and final prepare for and all those things the responsibilities. Of school having time or margin to actually participate in these activists is really important. So that you're not doing it last minute, right? Really? I think this process is to be a little more proactive. Hopefully, you're not waiting until you know, spring semester of your senior term right before graduation and crossing your fingers because that's really not a strategy. No, it isn't. It's not even a plan. But it's what a lot of do. We think we know what we're going to do. And we just wait till the moment to strike, and we jump and we realize we're not landing where we thought we would. So there are a whole lot of things that we can do to prepare for that graduation. Whether that graduation is finishing a training program and jumping into a career, it could be an that could be within a company, it could be the actual university degree, whatever that looks like the idea is getting out into the world before you graduate and finding out the the. Specifics about this one of the first things that people talk about his internships. There are a number of internships out there. Some are paid many are not. And that's something you're going to want to consider if you're in a situation where you need an income and unpaid internship may be an option if you plan it, well, it's going to a little pressure. It's all good just be prepared for that, many states actually have written laws that may prevent or preclude people from hiring, unpaid interns. So in in a lot of states. It's going to vary on where you're at. But you may be able to get a paid internship, most of the time it didn't used to be that way. That's great. But the other thing they consider as full-time employment is that you may be in school now, and you may be able to get full-time employment at your intended target company. There's also ideas that you may be able to get on campus employment. If you haven't explored that already the idea that you get to work in your industry, at least on the academic side of your industry before you get. Out into the real world.
Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities quickly. Success in networking can be traced to your ability to communicate.
Using the Branding Statement to position yourself. Listen now to hear tips and techniques. Don't miss these Topics:
Consideration in making career choices to seek something better Giving you permission to pursue your passion Defining what your passion looks like especially for college graduates Strategies to picking your options Ideas around getting out in front of your post-graduation plans Heightening your awareness of what makes you happy Career experimentation and leaning into collecting experiences Why making mistakes shouldn't get you down or stop you Move past the opinion of ONE person while looking for exceptions to the rule How to relate with or combine hobby, money and work Choosing between doing something and doing nothing Listening to your gut (in a good way) Change perspective change your world
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Hey world. It's Andrew Scott had a great conversation today about how to find out what you wanna be. When you grow. Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott this is a production meant to provide meaningful support to you to find great careers faster. And that's whether you're working or not today on job seekers radio. We're really trying to answer. What am I going to do when I grow up? That's right. Where we're starting with this is the idea that what if the things that I enjoy doing don't have any relevance or obvious applicability to the job that I man or maybe I just don't know what I wanna do. When I grow up. What do I want to do as a career? Maybe I'm in a job that really isn't lending itself to a career. But I don't know how to do something different. We're starting with the premise that you have a choice that everything in life to a certain extent is choice and your career is no different. Even if you might feel like you're trapped or stuck, especially if you're stuck right, especially if you're stuck. I've I've said to people over time, I don't have to do anything, but die. I don't have to pay taxes losing my home and everything else is choice. I could make it. It's not a good choice. But we always have choices to make. We may not have a wide variety of choices. And that's really what we want to address here. Well, where do you start? You know, this this whole process starts with permission. And we talk about this ad nauseam throughout our podcast is that we have to allow ourselves the opportunity to give ourselves permission that it's okay, right? We can actually look at this idea of passion or career choice or any of these decisions. We're gonna make for ourselves professionally that it's okay to do these things. What started this conversation for us was a blurb that I read recently about people coming out of college and not really wanting a knowing what to do in terms of their career. They were hoping to find their passion. Because so often. We hear the phrase find your passion because that's going to make work fun. And it's not gonna feel like work, but that works for only some of us some of us have an idea of what that looks like our feels like while others have gone through college. They've gone through a general education program, and they never found that passion. And so they end up getting a general decree not knowing what to do. So that the first thing that I thought of was first of all when you're young and you're starting out, and you've got a support network that whether that's money that you acquire during college for those few who actually had college jobs that paid well, whatever that looks like randomly pick things that you feel good about that you enjoy doing. It doesn't have to look like a career right now.
Show Notes Attending a networking support group isn't always convenient or meeting your needs. Scott and Andrew discuss the finer points on creating your own group.
Listen to the podcast that makes a different in your career acceleration by establishing your own job club. Don't miss these Topics:
Overcoming thoughts of inadequacy Finding the right location Time investments and scheduling Group member identification and personality Structure, format, agenda, and expectations Being an effective meeting moderator Recruiting leadership and assigning meeting tasks to others Foster an environment that is similar to your personality Promotion and advertising made easy Qualities of successful groups
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Hey world. It's Andrew in this episode of job seekers radio. We give you some pointers. Some tips on how to start manage and promote your own job seekers support group. Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott, this is a podcast dedicated to providing you meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not we are coming to you from the city of Portland that is a city of roses today on job seekers radio were talking about how to create your own job seekers group. Right. We know that there are going to be some of our audience members who don't have access to a job group or they don't have. They don't know of one they've done their search. They've talked to different people. And there just isn't one in your area. We want to encourage people to start their own. They shouldn't feel as if there is no one out there that can help them there is because there's always going to be others who are also looking for work. It's simply getting in touch with them, creating your own actually gives you a sense of purpose and. A bit of control when you have choices and how to set it up. How often to have it where we're gonna talk about an a minute. This gives you that sense of freedom. Freedom choice implies freedom. John Whitmore who wrote coaching for performance talks about this. As you provide yourself or others choices in what they can do. It gives them a sense of empowerment, and that means they are free to make the choice or not. So in doing this. You're actually creating your own access to the help you need by reaching out to people who are in a similar situation. I think of a lot of the groups that we've participated in over the years and a lot of those really they were organic in their creation and somebody was out of work or looking for work, and they met somebody else who was out of work and looking for work and said, hey, let's get together and make it might have been something very simple as just two people. Meeting for coffee once a week, right? We've talked in the past about the beer's network here in Portland. It was a small group of executives who were all found themselves on employed at the same time who were getting together for a beer once a week or once every other week, just to socialize. And they thought why not make this into a group for those like us? So that's how that group started. It really is that easy. Don't over think. It don't think it's gotta be the some perfect group where everything's gotta be an order. We are going to give you some guidelines some things here from our experience that it actually helped us build a group that is successful. We wanted to start with logistics. You know, how do you set it up? And where do you have it in all rat? What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think it's really important to do a works for you. If there isn't a group out there that that is available or accessible, then as you create one do what works for you select the days times locations that worked for your schedule. If you have a young family, for example, and you can't be too far from home.
Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities. Getting your feet wet can be easy with a job seekers networking group. They go by many names, but with a common goal of connecting and facilitating.
Andrew and Scott share experiences with you on how and where to find networking groups for career seeking professionals.. Don't miss these Topics:
How to Stay Resilient Networking as a never-ending-activity Common places that have networking resources. Community colleges, Alumni groups, and University career resources. Library and Public meeting places. Professional associations Outplacement, career/job coaches, and headhunters. Local newspaper/classifieds Local business magazine Chamber of Commerce
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Welcome to job seekers radio. I'm Andrew, and I'm Scott, this is a podcast dedicated to providing meaningful support to find great careers faster. Whether you're working or not we are coming to you from the city of Portland that is the city of Rosas today job seekers radio were talking about finding networking groups for job seekers. Specifically, those groups where job seekers congregate to help each other support each other in finding opportunities and really also providing maybe a little moral support right people think of support group says being something designed only for mental health you can make the claim that this helps the mental health of those who are looking for work, especially when you are looking for work for a long period of time right now, we're in what is considered a tight job market. But that doesn't mean that everybody gets a job right away, especially the higher the position the longer you've been in a career. It may not be quite as quick for you. We want to encourage everyone to look for job seekers groups that will support one another both with networking as well as ideas on how to be resilient now. It's interesting when you're in a job for a long time. You haven't had a need to network and finding these groups is kind of a low stakes way for you to get started in the idea of networking would be, hey, I haven't done this before can I practice with somebody where the stakes are low. These groups are very attractive to me primarily because I like to contribute to them. And I know you do to Scott by me, we do that currently through a group called the breakfast club. And I found that the more that I do it. The more situations. I see the more helpful. I can be right to to people. Right. We pick up the the the nuances that happened in between everyone tells and I heard this quote a while ago every. Nobody tells the same story just different versions of it. And so as we see the different versions were able to synthesize some new ideas and often we are brainstorming in these conversations. But that's the point of a support group year. Not it's not a good idea to walk into one thinking, I have all the answers. Or by the same token. I have none of the answers. We often have the answer somewhere in our heads. We just need open up the right doors or create the right connections in our minds to actually come across. Oh, I haven't tried that. Or I haven't done that in a long time. You you're really restarting the process as you say if you've been in your job for a long time in you haven't been networking one of the things that I learned during one period of unemployment that lasted three years for me that was really tough at the same time. I was told that I had all the answers within me. And so in working through those I actually. I found the way to be resilient while I was unemployed, and that's what these groups are for. And it made you a better person on the other side, really and you came out resilient not only in that situation...
Show Notes When the job market is tight, multiple offers for employment is fairly common. How do you work the logistics when you already accepted one and started work?
Scott and Andrew discuss the process for navigating the delicate discussion in this Episode of Job Seekers Radio.. Don't miss these Topics:
Steps to consider during your decision process. Multiple offer handling ideas. Components to consider when making your decision. Personal inventory of values. Communication and honesty in conversations. Positioning and documenting on LinkedIn and resume.
Resources (including affiliate links) What Color is Your Parachute010 Interviewing with Confidence iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View TranscriptLooking to jobseekers radio I'm Andrew this is the podcast dedicated to providing meaningful support whether you're working or not we're coming to you live well not really like recorded in a beautiful which is a suburb of the city of rose city Portland job seekers radio were talking about the crazy time job market it is it kosher to leave a job after you just got one I will give you a qualified yes to keep in mind it if you have taken a job and you're fairly young in if you haven't been there very long can you get another offer it's OK to consider taking it most companies that I have had experience with our So while it may not be what would choose while it may not be what they would have liked understand the value of you taking a better position for taking advantage of a better opportunity whenever there's people involved he might go out the window organization could be mature but there may be a person in it so let's just be clear we need to eat dinner by another better offer in front of you or are you the one is being mature or immature right is it a company being mature or immature as it being your boss you hit the nail on the head it's a understanding whether or not this is the right opportunity if you do get the other offer is your opportunity to take a look at both jobs the one you just started everything we did the job is Direct course to a higher position and it may be that it's a smaller company with room to grow or larger company with greater security the details of that second opportunity I would say move slowly be very careful because there's no way to know if in fact it is a better job you may not be able to go back to it I take the new job is going to be appear on the surface to be but it could be that you just had a really persuasive persuasive hiring manager that as we say in the in the interview Go to game you have your players got Verizon because they want to look at it for you to work in the arena we talk about those who eat what are the reasons why it's very important that as you take that first job trying to find out what happens behind yes the second job is the one you really wanted in the first place and it's perfect for you if you don't take a second job are you gonna be happy and the first not having gone for it It's really important that you take into consideration all the things on both sides of the fence bit interesting firing really want to accomplish in your career it could be the two offers come up side-by-side and I have never seen that before there's always been there in someway shape or form a connection to hire leadership principles that I feel like go that way is the right way to go it's going to depend on the job if you are working is the kind of work are you don't have much interaction with with your coworkers and that the networking with in the company really doesn't happen that much there's not that much interaction that it may be easier to stick with it the hardest part is win They really are is real and it's going to set you up for more you just want the money and the ability OK just be honest about it if you're not the one that's motivated by one of the many can bring it you are motivated by what people do in terms of treatment well if there's a part...
Show Notes It's not uncommon in your career that you consider quitting your job. Scott and Andrew discuss ideas on how you can do so with consideration. Don't miss these Topics:
Pros and Cons or Make A Diagnosis Evaluating your motivation Identifying your support mechanisms Making decisions and weighing the possible outcomes Planning your escape to something better Managing your current situation Maintaining your reputation through a transition Tactics to develop understanding of your situation Coping with feelings and emotions you are experiencing
CLICK HERE to Rate and Review on iTunes Raw and Unedited Transcript View TranscriptToday we help you decide when is it time to quit your job that is it the question. that comes out to everyone at some point in their career at multiple points. certainly do the response changes based on creating this podcast were in a really tight labor market where people can leave have an extra cake. really a diagnosis that I think we are people talking about the problem with doing a balancing act on this. Is that what is on one side versus another side. the priorities are Those things is changing and it's a moving target and got a preacher pros and cons. generally recommend is for people to diagnose the issue so if there's a diagnosis there are symptoms. and we're gonna talk about that in just a minute you have to decide when you get to this point to do some self reflection. I think we talked about that a lot in our podcast regardless of what comes in it's always good to take a step back OK and ask yourself the question. what are you gonna quit your job. when you can't write what does that look like. people don't feel like they can't they don't have permission or loyalty or whatever. real or not imagine, either way I talk to the motivation and Family is but it's not all on you. have that conversation to determine when you really can't because you may have support but you don't have them on the other side those who don't have a family to support think I'll like it I could leave anytime it's really important to try and figure that out it's funny you say it that way because as you were talking all I could think of it as convenient excuses there's always a convenient excuse that allows me to rationalize the decision one way or another and so we need to be honest with ourselves that were rationalizing it might be or it could potential he be different than we think that's a really good point and the fact of rational at the idea that Rasche was Because I'm going to make the choice and I just wanna feel better about it you know what you're doing if you rationalize it and then I'm going to wait to make that decision because I know I'm just rationalizing when I think I want to know what to do with it either way you are making responsible choices know what you're doing understand that this is going to be part of the equation and it's OK will the intention of this podcast episode is really to snap people out of what might be a pseudo-reality that you might be thinking oh everything's great it's Grant or I can't leave the colors or fill in the blank with whatever thing you think is preventing you from doing something we talked about briefly before we came on here is actually going through all of these to make your situation ideal for you and the company but you just feel like I'm at the end of my rope and I think it's really important It's not just people that they care about your safety your you're fine if you have truly tried everything you can to make the situation better and it's just not going to get better I think that's a really good indicator that it's time to start looking it really depends on the organization is it the organization really is in a position to be at in employer of choice is to differ could be two different things when they could say yes I know I'm in a poor choice and I'm gonna use it to my advantage Laura Colby station for your benefit if you don't want to sta...
Show Notes Many times in your life you might have taken jobs for different reasons. Occasionally, you will take a job that is just there for the money when you just have to have source of income.
Scott and Andrew discuss the Art of Underemployment with a focus on Survival Jobs. Don't miss these Topics:
What is a survival job. What kind of stepping stone is this - and be honest. How much of the truth you might share with employers How to find and choose the right survival job Identifying remote work alternatives Value of networking to find survival jobs The role of motivation in your decisions to take work How to look at the idea of survival job
Resources (including affiliate links) FlexJobs Indeed CareerBuilder Monster Craigslist NextDoor Facebook iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View TranscriptWe’re talking about how to leverage and under employed situation to your advantage we always start these kinds of conversations talking about motivation what is motivating you there are some easy ones I've been unemployed for a period of time and I really don't have any savings left I need to bring some money and clearly you got to get a job and you don't feel like you're in your mind so having that income coming in situation or not I think is worth at least considering if you might be running Experience went long after my unemployment benefits ran out and I was living with family had been looking for that kind of work that I absolutely love doing it and I couldn't find anything and finally got to take the next job became the next job I also think that I need a different kind of knowing that I had but if you did give me some clarity as I was moving forward I had to find something in fortunately this was an application I put in before that conversation happened but I think it impacted the way I interviewed for that job and you made a positive difference taking all kinds of different jobs I've been in situations where I needed and I took whatever came on Do you want to at least get in the ballpark having a clear Destiination to say OK yeah I know the Destiination is over there but this shirt and so even though that was identified as a survivor job for me I did not get all the prior thinking of survival but it turns out to be something exactly many times these can open doors of things you would never considered otherwise and I've known people who actually started a career through a similar situation where they just took a job to take the job and they liked it so well he grew into it into a career a lot of times job is really just I got to survive the holidays right got to survive this thing that's coming up I remember when I was a kid my mom took a job back in the days when people could live on one income And so does your survival jobs in the sense that you're surviving and getting what you want not just kinds of things we come back to the question of motivation it it's important I think to set it up knowing what is motivating you to do this if it's something that you really don't need that I would be great but then when the stakes are high need to be a little more careful about talking a lot about the podcast about having choices so let's not overlook the fact that sometimes people don't have a choice they have to get something right but if you do have a choice then you can pick something up even though you've identified so you could say all right I need It's a choice that you're making going in the right direction especially in those times where you don't feel you have a choice you have to get something the more decisions you can make in the directions you're going or the companies that you're applying to more it feels like a positive so for example when I was unemployed for long. One of the boys to get into a nursery and a part-time job at a local nursery because I really enjoy as in the plants I would've been happy to get involved in the school for a while I thought it was gonna be another st...
Show Notes You the listener takes over the podcast. This is our 2nd episode where we take and answer your specific questions. Don't miss these Topics:
I'm a college senior, how can I find my passion and where do I begin? How do you handle privacy for job search online? Is it cool to apply to a job that I don't want just to get the interview practice? I have a boss that made promises for advancement but won't pull the trigger, what should I do?
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Today or jobseekers radio we answer your questions. We really enjoyed getting questions from you we feel like were engaging with you in ways that we can. Just buy broadcasting as you are listening to our podcast and you are going to the job seekers radio.com to find out more or to leave feedback. We want you to ask more questions because this is probably the favorite activity that we have and it gives you an opportunity to get to be personal. Or selfish selfish selfish or what is selfish if you want your questionnaire. Have a question it's likely somebody else so you're helping someone else so it's not totally selfish there's a little bit of altruism. That brings us to our first question for my college senior how can I find my passion and where do I begin. There are on whole bunch of responses that you will get from that question many of them are true. But they feel because you hear them so often they'll be a little cliché, where I start without us what do you enjoy doing what dreams you energy, that you enjoy or how we want to describe what did the things that get you fired up. I guess where I would start that conversation with someone is to get them to understand that you probably have more than one passion don't limit yourself to just one. Open your mind to anything that brings your enjoyment because that's only the first step of a longer conversation or a longer journey in finding what you enjoy doing. that will earn you a living so sometimes that's not Just one off. I hear this question what's my passion I would encourage you to actually look up the textbook definition of what passionate want to change that word usage or use a different word to describe it. I'm hearing most of the time is what it might go down or what would I be good at doing. I would suggest at a college senior should probably go through some assessments will that be a Myers-Briggs or some of the other assessment like StrengthsFinder or StandOut. Excellent point and not many of these fuck about the break talk about style preferences but also each one of those is going to be measuring something a little bit different. And so if you take several of them I wouldn't go with too many of the free online assessments because they generally don't go deep enough. But you may not have a budget to actually pay someone to take you through the professional assessment so that certainly understand. For aptitude test or did the testing that they do to try and help place you were in vocational training that sort of thing can be really helpful and they are state subsidized so you don't have to pay for them to stay covers the cost in terms of other resources that I would suggest at a college senior lean into that would be the crew center at university the alumni network that you have access to to help you understand what other people who maybe have your same interest actually did with their degree so that you have a bridge between College Inn and workforce the other thing I would recommend and I really got a lot of value out of this was reading what color is your parachute and this is an a lifelong book in and sad to hear of the death of the author died a couple years ago but they're continuing on Frankie build a legacy through that book that helped millions of people again that's a stylus preference based concept that he developed and it's really quite helpful I remember when I read ...
Show Notes Have you ever heard or said: I just can't seem to find anyone to meet? Or, I don't really know anyone in my professional area? Or I just don't know anyone?
Today Andrew and Scott uncover some ideas about how to network when you just don't know anyone at all. Don't miss these Topics:
Change Begins at the End of the Comfort Zone Choices and Decisions to Make Change Management: Why, Value, Build Desire Title Targets Request for Help: Trusted People in your Circle Value of Scripting and Templates Dealing with the Nerves Psyche-UP versus Psyche-OUT Maintaining Staying Power Challenging your Assumptions and Presumptions Gamification versus Gaming
Resources (including affiliate links) JSR 004: Shorten your Job Search with a Wingman4-Part Series on the Anatomy of a Networking ConversationJSR 015: The Set-Up JSR 016: The IcebreakerJSR 017: The Question and Answer JSR 018: The Ask iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View TranscriptSo often we start out especially if we are looking for a job unexpectedly we wonder who could I possibly turn to who can I have my friends or family or involved in my industry or the kind of work that I do how can I possibly move forward and the hardest thing to realize is how many people you actually already know who can help you gotta want to networking process if you're out of work and you're like whatever the reason is you think you should be networking you have to want to do it and that's the biggest challenge most people have because it come to me and say hey I don't know anybody not be possible You never went to school with anybody he never went to the doctor Reger visited a dentist you have never been and while that may challenge some people and really it's not comfortable it's still a valuable question to ask because change begins at the end of your comfort zone I know we heard that "a lot but you have to be willing to get out of your comfort zone so when we talked about the idea that you have to be willing to network you have to want to network there are a lot of people who say oh no I'm an introvert or I don't socialize easily or I deal with anxiety and all of that maybe true all of that is valid but you can still want to except the limitations that you have is one thing excepting them as the only truth is a choice and no matter where you are on that spectrum you can choose to want to do that will be harder for some people Time are the ones that of been working for so motions project they just never had to do it right now they feel like they have to do it versus the most productive way to work they have to believe that is the most productive as I don't want to do it I found having something that you're going after that encourages you or motivate you to do something you don't really want to do is a good idea yeah there's also the approach of taking this as change management there are a number of change management models out there personally I'm certified in the pro side change management model PROSE I sent people to their website there are stages that you go through Being the first two steps so as you're making this change as you're approaching the need to network be aware of your ability to say yes I want to do this because the second stage so if you can get the awareness of why we do this at the risk of not doing it that can help you build that desire to get out there and actually start networking and we talked about this the anatomy of the networking conversation helps with the physically speaking networking is the most effective way to find your next position and will leave the link in the show notes today it's a four-part series you're welcome to download nuggets in there he would benefit from Really what do you want yeah what do you want them for companies you want to work for clarity around that will lead you to certain people in certain companies you may not have a really good point when it comes to titles so often we think of the titl...
Show Notes Andrew and Scott have been displaced a combined 9 times in their careers. We share ideas about processing and coping with a recent job loss from a layoff. Don't miss these Topics:
How to process after a surprise layoff. Processing the grief. Approaching the mental and emotional processing. The power of time and how to manage it. Seeking helpful coping mechanisms. Where to find support organizations. Strategies for doing networking when the layoff is "fresh" Things I wish someone had told me when I was laid off
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I were talking about what do you do when you get laid off and how to approach that process and getting started you know how do you how do you process current statistics are changing but we know that this year good number of times someone has been out of work is much is a higher number than it used to be in years past. I am one that I have been laid off from jobs five times that’s not fired that’s actually laid off I can’t say that I’ve been fired. I’ve had four transitions in my career and so only one of those really a formal lay off for a corporation actually add a workforce reduction program which was a politically correct way of saying you’re fired. it’s happened to me where it is two cases I was looking for work either because I saw the writing on the wall or I was unaware of the political stuff that was going on and so we came as a huge surprise. and I think that is the scenario that’s hard when you’re not prepared emotionally much less professionally for your next move and when we when were terminated outside of our own control it really is hard on the eagle it’s hard on the finances because all of a sudden you often have to cover your own health benefits.
If you have done and all of the expenses that come with not having work anybody who’s gone through it will now all of a sudden the way you take care of your bills changes it care of your bills changes and decided they really go away when you lose a half 1 million is the job he should lose all those external navigate right now then nobody would work but it’s good to acknowledge the fact that this is now a tough time and as your processing guess it it’s a moment of grief you are losing your work family you are losing the disability of all the plans you have made based on the income that you’re on and see the job that you have and it’s really hard in that moment to look at this as an advantage or a blessing or whatever word you want to use it when people do that though they just come to you and say oh this is how you should be feeling oh yeah brother work you this. I have you know that that blessing in disguise well you know something I don’t want it to Be disguises right now!
Yeah I’m a little pissed off and so if you are in this position you there at the listener or if you know someone who is here is an opportunity for empathy to really come in bring a brown does a really good talk on empathy and you can find different pieces of it out online go to YouTube Brene Brown she’s amazing one of the things that she talks about is anytime you hear someone say at least and then goes on to talk about something worse that’s not it but he may be there attempt to being helpful but in this moment what somebody who is been laid off needs to hear is you are not alone.
I’ve been there or either I can appreciate where you are you are not alone if you need something I’m here for you and that by itself is really helpful if only in the moment it is still helpful. I did that’s what you need to say to yourself that’s OK take a moment to breathe take some time yeah it is a grieving process and when I w...
Show Notes Bias does exist in the job market. How it presents itself can be more unknown than obvious.
The bigger question is what to do when you feel discriminated, or victimized by ageism. Don't miss these Topics:
Self-Talk and Mindset. How to position your experience. Networking for "Seasoned" workers Addressing feelings of being overqualified. Branding your wisdom. The Importance of Value, Reputation, and Relationships.
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Today and job seekers radio we’re talking about seasoned workers – those that have lost their way professionally and found themselves feeling…
I'm out dated No one will hire me I'm too experienced I'm a Dinosaur I can’t find a job must be my age They didn't hire me because I'm too old, and it’s discrimination – ageism You’ve been “ageisted”
How do you feel about that Scott? I’ve seen people they still have gas in the tank. They say people are living longer and they are dealing with these feelings.
I will admit even in my current job I've said, “I feel like a Dinosaur because I don't use technology way my younger colleagues do.” I have to resist that even within my own head. The idea that I'm not good enough because I may look at things a little differently.
It’s a really important topic to turn that around. In previous podcast we talked about standing guard at the entrance tour mind, you gave the quote better than I did. The self-talk and how we need to regulate this. Having experience, being a more seasoned professional is an advantage. It may be your competitive advantage.
It may be true that some people just want to hire the inexperience, so they can mold them pay them less. But it's been my observation that is less true in the majority of times. They are really looking fit - whether that's cultural fit - whether that is a skill gap fit - whether it's a style fit - whatever that is they’re looking fit - not necessarily age.
So, if you are a seasoned professional – well I just tell my story. The job that I have now, is a phenomenal job, I love what I do, I’m so lucky I get to say I love the work that I do and I'm earning a living at doing what I love. So, few people get to say that.
I would not have had this job had I not had the conversation with a hiring manager about the fact that I was overqualified. It was - I was applying for a coordinator position - administrative assistant position - I had already applied for this job, at this company, for a different position that was given to somebody whose skill set was so much better than mine - and I acknowledge that at the time. If I had been given the option to hire me or this young woman, I would have gone with her, because she absolutely has the skills for that position and is phenomenal to work with. I saw the admin assistant position come open, so I contacted the person with whom I had interviewed with the first time. And I asked what are the chances that I would be considered for this job even though I'm overqualified. He responded, because I had a good conversation with him, he went ahead responded to me and we talked about it and he asked me “aren't you concerned about having - about being overqualified.
Logical question, right? Because their fear is Oh well you’re overqualified you're going to quit this job as soon as you get another one because I was looking for work right. I've been laid off from a similar job although with an organization I didn't really care for as well. So, here is one that I knew culturally it would have been better fit and here I had an opportunity to talk to somebody that was very positive, very empathetic, great conversations that I had in the past, and he asked me how would I feel. Because he wouldn't want to hire me into a position that I wasn't happy in right.
Show Notes Finding a job after a break, whether from raising a family, a medical issue, to care for a family member, or any other reason can have it's unique issues. Launching your search with confidence is the topic of this episode
Scott and Andrew provide insights on how to approach situations where you have not been working for awhile. Don't miss these Topics:
Mindset of Strength Personal decisions and what to share Maintaining positive self-talk How to make a recovery and remain resilient Structuring the resume Gaps and how to handle them Networking conversation topics Overcoming the "pigeon hole"
Resources (including affiliate links) 4-Part Series on the Anatomy of a Networking ConversationJSR 015: The Set-Up JSR 016: The IcebreakerJSR 017: The Question and Answer JSR 018: The Ask iTunes: Rate and Review Raw and Unedited Transcript View TranscriptToday on job seekers radio we’re talking about launching a job search after a long break I use air quotes of course because there's a lot of reasons why you would have a break in your employment. You might have just had a child or you're raising kids in you want to be a stay at home parent you might be on some other kind of family leave it's all good maybe you're taking care of whatever your parents could be a sabbatical your break from this or maybe you were lucky enough to sell your equity in a firm and you just decided you didn't want to work anymore right number of friends who have retired early and then decided they wanted to go back into the workforce because they wanted to either regain their skill levels or maybe they wanted to start a different career in something they were more passion about I also have personal experience with long term unemployment during the Great Recession back in 2008/2009 I was unemployed for 3 years I was able to do some consulting during that time but I wasn't really fully employed for 3 years that and that was tough.Yeah it's hard and in some cases people will take that situation take some consulting maybe even go with the contract role all but it's not their ideal and so there may be part time I mean they're just doing something to pay the bills which is totally normal I think the idea here is you’re not the only one this season falls on all of us in it affect it can affect us all in the same way. right what's really interesting is how it affects people depending upon the kind of career they've had those of us who had a career where change was considered normal or it's expected I was in an industry for a while where if you were in the same job for more than a couple years people would ask why are you still doing that because there was an expectation that you would move on to a different company because that's how you moved up there other times when somebody who's been in a job for 25-30 years who gets laid off before they had intended to retire and now they don't know what to do. in all these different cases we have to remember when our values are how that lack of employment affects how we perceive elements of our identity. if we identify with our career or with the role that we play that can really wreak havoc on how we view ourselves. so launching career or relaunching it after these brakes can seem daunting weed we don't want to gloss over the emotional impact that being away from work and have on you but we can use that emotional impact really to supercharge our efforts to guide us in the right directions. They say Scott that games or one and lost by 6 inches 6 inches between your ears in the mindset checking in on your mindset self-talk is so critically important you really need to be conscious when you're telling yourself oh do I have what it takes oh am I good enough right so I'm older how did the door but I mean there's so many things that come into my mind that people are saying to themselves as part of this process. self-doubt and self-talk are things that I talked to people about off and I know how it worked ...
Show Notes Most everyone searching for work has a LinkedIn profile. What happens when you have a LinkedIn profile but you never used it?
Don't ignore the value of leveraging Facebook if you don't have a LinkedIn presence. Scott and Andrew share some ideas about how to leverage your current Facebook friends list and the resources on the platform you likely weren't aware of! Don't miss these Topics:
Using Facebook for networking Searching for opportunities and people Following company pages Finding job postings Comments and news Social platform triangulation What mindset and approach you need for networking
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Show Notes Getting stale in your job and not knowing which way to turn is something we all face. Moving from where you are to where you want to be is the topic of this episode.
Scott and Andrew discuss ideas about how you can map your future career and improve your position inside your current company, maybe even getting promoted. Don't miss these Topics:
Where did the mojo go Where am I going? Is this the right place for me? Transition is an opportunity to look at fresh direction. First job out of college, the honeymoon is over, what's next? Who is responsible for my career succession planning Ways to break out of the daily grind of your job How to Handle Change What goes into a Career Plan Look inside or look outside Value of networking and coaching What to do about organizational politics
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Show Notes Getting into a rhythm with your LinkedIn interactions requires some deliberate actions. In this episode Andrew and Scott talk about a handful of things that can make all the difference in building your presence on LinkedIn
Covering the Top 6 Activities that are Must-Do, leave your comments below. Don't miss these Topics:
Make Connections With New People Say Something Intelligent To Demonstrate Competence Send Messages to Schedule Meetings Make Introductions for Your Connections Give Thanks and Genuine Compliments Update a Section of your Profile
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Show Notes Career Fairs are a great opportunity to find companies and fellow job seekers to collaborate with afterwards. In this episode we provide some ideas to maximize the time you spend at career fairs. Don't miss these Topics:
The winning mindset for career fairs How to have a great experience Getting connected with recruiters, hiring managers, and job seekers The best things to bring with you to a job fair. What questions should I ask
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Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities quickly. LinkedIn is a big part of being found and finding the right people.
In this episode we talk about the ins/outs of LinkedIn and how you can use it to your advantage.. Don't miss these Topics:
Why LinkedIn is the Best Job Seeking Tool How Should Job Seekers Use LinkedIn? 6 Ways, reasons why, job seekers should be using LinkedIn. How to protect your data and privacy. The art of introductions on LinkedIn Building a brand and reputation. LinkedIn Connection Etiquette
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Show Notes You ask and Scott and Andrew answer. Handling some unique and interesting questions from you the listening audience. Don't miss these Questions:
What are some Entry Level Jobs that I can apply to? What potential career options are there for a person who really loves listening to music? or a Car Enthusiast? I have two job offers, which do I choose? Where do I start when thinking of a new career? How do I find out what field I belong in? How do I transition out of social work to being a business analyst?
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Show Notes Part 4 on Anatomy of a Networking Conversation relates to ending the conversation with a call to action. All "good" networking interactions should have an ask or outcome to get you one step closer to getting hired.
In this episode Andrew and Scott cover the most overlooked part of the networking conversation. Don't miss these Topics:
Getting Introductions to More People Effect of Missing The Ask How to End Gracefully What Information to Ask For When the Ask Starts How far is far enough What about Resume?
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Show Notes The art of networking comes down to your ability to ask great questions. Continuing the series on the Anatomy of the Networking Conversation, Scott and Andrew discuss the importance of the question and answer (Q&A) phase.
Learn some ideas and techniques for driving your conversations to a successful destination. Don't miss these Topics:
Guiding conversations through questions. What kind of questions you need to ask and when. The importance Planning, preparation and practice. Close Ended versus Open Ended questions. How Q&A is like a dance. The impression that others get when you ask questions. Tell them what you will tell them, tell them, and tell you what you told them.
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Show Notes Part Two of the Anatomy of a Networking Conversation. You have set the appointment for the networking conversation, you are now going to "do" the conversation!
This episode revolves around relieving anxiety and taking simple steps to get the conversation started with momentum. Don't miss these Topics:
Mindset for Starting Conversations Ice Breaker Design and Relieving your Nerves Dating? or Networking? What's the difference? How to know when you are in rapport Ideas for Building Connection with Others Finding the Answer in Questions Simple Agendas and Talking Points Breaking Ice at Group Events What to do when conversations stall
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Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities quickly. How do you do it? Reaching out to people for the purpose of "networking" can be stressful.
This is the first in a series of episodes on the Anatomy of a Networking Conversation. Don't miss these Topics:
How to change up your search if you aren't getting interviews The Approach for setting up and scheduling successful meetings The value of LinkedIn search and finding the "right" people. Keys to reconnecting with prior colleagues, friends, and family Everyone you meet is a conduit to 200+ people you don't know Ideas about different populations of people to connect with Strategies for reaching out to get in-person meetings Why networking can help you with interviewing Finding ideas for overcoming networking nerves
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Show Notes Networking for jobs is the #1 way to find with "right" career opportunities quickly. We all seem to know this to be true but somehow are unsure of how to do it well.
Scott and Andrew tackle the do's the don'ts and ideas about how best to approach the art of professional networking and the skills to develop networking success. Don't miss these Topics:
How do you define networking? Setting expectations to get the best results What mindset you need to network well How to built trusting professional relationships Where the resume shows up in the process How the process of networking works the best What Networking IS, and, What Networking IS NOT Myths and Reality of Networking
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Show Notes You did the networking. You made the application. You might have even done a cover letter. You prepped and practiced for the interview. You performed really well.
And then it come. The sound of silence. No response. No one answering your calls for status. What do you do? Don't miss these Topics:
Is not hearing back normal? How to deal with the quiet after the interview Post-interview Strategy Pre-interview Preparation How to make the interview quiet productive Controlling the hiring process Networking with hiring managers
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Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find hidden opportunities that go unadvertised. Follow-up becomes the most critical part of the networking process. .
By feeling grateful and demonstrating the gratitude in your words and actions - you will double the effectiveness of your search.. Don't miss these Topics:
Gratitude, the attitude and approach, the mindset Post-meeting strategies and ideas How to create an audience experience Others-focused contribution and offers of help The Job Search Update Personalizing your messages shows honor Tools for tracking your search process and networking What is the Gratitude Chain and how it can help you How do you measure success of networking? Asking permission for referral contact information The importance of thank you notes and what to write
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Show Notes What is the future of resume? How is it used today?
Understanding the role, purpose and future of a job seeking device known as the resume. Don't miss these Topics:
Use the resume that gets you calls Who is seeing the resume, and what do they want? Getting Confidence and Clarity in the Search Interview generating activities Why Content is King and Progression is Productive Where does your resume go? Who's going to see the resume? Who owns your resume? When do you introduce it? What outcome of using it is productive? What about Career Fairs?
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Show Notes You work so hard to get an interview. Here are some thoughts about how to prepare well for the conversation that is coming. Don't miss these Topics:
Failing to Prepare is Preparing to Fail Building Confidence Understand company, people, your skills and the role. Identify and have quality questions to ask the hiring team. The Value of an Insider Gathering Interviewer Profiles from social media Find common questions and practice answers How to tailor your answers to interviewer's personality style Practice and Performance with a Partner Steering Conversations to your strengths Strategies for Leveling-up your Preparations Phone and Video Interviews
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Show Notes Occasionally you will have intuition that it's time to find a new job. Most of the time, you want to always be open to opportunity.
We discuss techniques and mindset for finding a new opportunity while you are working. Don't miss these Topics:
Is this your dream job? Have all the promises been kept? Finding your Best scenario and what to do about it. Being and keeping everything fresh on LinkedIn and in your Resume. What is your dream job? What is loyalty today? Does job tenure equal job hopping or stale skills? Finding motivation and purpose to consider alternatives. Serving Others and Paying it Forward. Finding Opportunities that Are Better than what you have, even if you already have a great job.
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Show Notes You can see the companies you want to work for, but how do you know they fit you and your needs? What about growth opportunities?
Finding answers to "fit" for you with a company is the topic of this podcast. Don't miss these Topics:
Unique Person, Unique Set of Skills Online Searches, Perception and Reality Internal and Personal SWOT Analysis Leveraging LinkedIn as Data Search Tool The Value of Assessments and Coaching Do the Research: O*Net and Library Keywords to Describe Strengths Align With and Chase Target Companies Questions To Ask at Interviews No Assumptions, Always Validate What would it take to make you leave your current job?
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Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities quickly. When you haven't done it before.
Try doing networking with these ideas and topics to Psyche yourself up, not out. 9 Easy Ways to Start Networking:
Start with People That Know You Well Talk to People at Places you Already Go Frequently Groups Around Areas of Expertise and Profession Go To or Create Meetup and Eventbrite Events The Business Journal Events Non-Profit Job Seeking Support Groups Alumni and University Career Centers Job Centers through Department of Labor Volunteer For a Cause You Believe In
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Show Notes Finding and making choices and getting focused on your future opportunities. Discover all your options. Don't miss these Topics:
Being Authentic and Thinking Outside the Box. Looking passed employment circumstance. Pursuing Passion Projects. The Five Why's. Choosing between Hobby or Profession. Trade-offs and Resilience in Job Search. Overcoming Resistance to Chasing your Dream Job. Finding Joy in your Work
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Show Notes Losing a job can be tough. Processing your grief and dealing with emotions is a real task. Don't miss these Topics:
Processing The Loss Dealing with the Identity Crisis Redefining your Relationships Time, Time, Time is on your Side Developing Strength and Resilience Stress Relief Embracing your New Reality Isolation Avoidance Strategies Gamify the Grind of Job Search Getting out of the Job Search Rut
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Show Notes Working your Career Transition process with a partner or "wingman" accelerates job landings. Another person that can help you through the good and bad times. Don't miss these Topics:
Supporting and being Supported How to Find a Wingman Getting Connected in Community Openness and Sharing What about Competitors? Getting Into Rhythm Making Contributions Making Shared Memories and Lasting Friendships
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Show Notes The after hours "hot mic" episode the discussion continues. Scott and Andrew continued after production to chat. Don't miss these Topics:
Applications and Interviews can be productive activities. Job Search Realities and Overwhelm. The Hidden Job Market: Fact or Fiction. "Can't Be Overqualified if I can't Get an Interview" - Scott Pickard Do People Get Jobs Without Applications? Diversity in Employment. Brand Consistency and Storytelling
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Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities quickly. Success in networking your way to a job offer takes finesse.
Learn how networking can be a safe and natural way to find your next great career. Listen now to understand what it means to "network." Don't miss these Topics:
When and how to network. The mindset of a networking process. Knowing what to talk about. Sharing and Asking questions for dialog. Networking Events Approach for Positive Outcomes Gratitude and the role of Mutual Benefit Respect, Honor, and Build Rapport
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Show Notes Networking is the #1 way to find great new career opportunities quickly. Success in networking can be traced to your ability to communicate.
Using the Branding Statement to position yourself. Listen now to hear tips and techniques. Don't miss these Topics:
How A Broadway Show Can Change your Future What's a Hook and Why it Matters Knowing what to say when you shake hands. Demonstrating your Values Through Your Branding Statement You may, or may not be your job title, Which Is it? What is your Audience's Language and using it to your advantage. Steps in the Branding Statement to Demonstrate Value. Discovering your Strengths, Driving Passion. The Value of "Working on a Project"
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Show Notes Introductions to your hosts Andrew Beach and Scott Pickard. We Welcome you to our podcast show. Topics Covered in the Origin Story Episode 000
Scott's Story and Organizational Development and training experience Andrew's Story and Coaching Experience. How we have Both been out of work and helped others find it. Diversity of perspectives and tools Empathy, Sympathy, Compassion, and the differences. Supporting information and platform purpose.
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