Two Mamas and a Mustard Seed: Recent Episodes
Renee Reithel and Kisa Hoeltke
Your hosts are Kisa Hoeltke and Renee Reithel. This isn’t an academic or theological conversation— it’s a heart conversation. These two mamas want to be a part of a heart change in America. They want to see the ugliness of racism and bias be destroyed not just for us, but more importantly for our children. Will you join us? We are all learning together, and we hope to lead this podcast with our heart’s desires and with God’s grace.
In this episode I interview Darnell “SuperChef” Ferguson. He's a celebrity chef, Food Network star and owner of SuperChef's and Tha Drippin Crab in Louisville Kentucky.
He was a contender on Guy Fieri’s “Tournament of Champions,” winning his round against the legendary Alex Guarnaschelli and he was the winner of the “Ultimate Thanksgiving Challenge” hosted by Giada De Laurentis in 2018. Darnell has appeared on “TODAY,” “The Rachael Ray Show” alongside Emeril Lagasse, Guy Fieri’s “Guy’s Grocery Games”, “Beat Bobby Flay” and other shows on The Food Network, as well as the cooking channel. Darnell's restaurant SuperChefs was named one of the "Top 12 Best Breakfast spots In America" by The Cooking Channels “Man's Greatest Foods.”
More than his accolades and achievements , Darnell has a heart for the Lord and for people.
He has spent the better part of his life overcoming adversity, inspiring and helping others, all while challenging himself to be a better. Paying it forward is the mindset that Darnell lives by. He's always looking for opportunities to seed into other's. He even gives me a scoop about his future endeavors at the end of the interview! Tune in to listen.
You can learn more about Darnell Ferguson on his social media sites:
Twitter/Instagram: @superchef_23
Facebook: @superchefdarnell
www.iamsuperchef.com
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In this episode I sit down with Junior Bridgeman, a former graduate and U of L basketball player who also had a stint in the NBA playing for the Milwaukee Bucks and the LA Clippers. He and I have a candid conversation discussing family, faith and drive. More than his achievements on the court, his accomplishments as a businessman off of the court are truly remarkable as well.
Ulysses L. Bridgeman Jr. is the owner and chief executive officer of Heartland Coca-Cola Bottling Company, LLC, a Kansas limited liability company which owns and operates a Coca-Cola production/manufacturing facility in Lenexa, Kansas and 17 Coca-Cola distribution facilities sprinkled across the USA’s heartland, including Kansas, Missouri and Illinois. Mr. Bridgeman has personally received many awards, including the Junior Achievement Business Hall of Fame; Volunteers of America Tribute Award for Outstanding Service to the Commonwealth of Kentucky; John Thompson Foundation Outstanding Achievement Award; Coach John Wooden Key to Life Award and the Kentucky Entrepreneur Hall of Fame.
Be inspired and encouraged by this episode.
https://wirelesshogan.com/ - Mark Charles & Unsettling Truth's
https://store.tonyevans.org/purchase/oneness-embraced Oneness Embraced - Tony Evans
https://www.christianbook.com/prophetic-lament-challenge-the-western-church/soong-chan-rah/9780830836949/pd/836941
- ACEs Case Study cdc.gov
- Dr. Vincent Felitti and Dr. Robert Anda Crossnore.org and childtrends.org
- ACEs Questionnaire CDC.org/violenceprevention/aces/about
- Teacher Burnout & Covid 19: Supporting School Staff kognito.com
- Oneness Embraced: Reconciliation, The Kingdom, and How We are Stronger Together, Dr. Tony Evans, 2015
- Southern Baptists Keep Quarreling about Critical Race Theory, Christianity Today, Dec. 3, 2020
- A 'wake-up call'? Bible teacher Beth Moore, Black pastors cut ties with Southern Baptists, US Today, March 11, 2021
- Fellowship Church
- Fellowship Center for Racial Reconciliation
- Preaching Master Class / Discipling Out Racism
- Fellowship Church
- Fellowship Center for Racial Reconciliation
- Preaching Master Class / Discipling Out Racism
- Justice Deposits Initiative at Community Christian Church in Chicago
- Good News Today morning devotional show
- Urban Apologetics, Dr. Eric Mason, April 2021, Amazon Link
- Normalizing Trauma, Renewed Seniors, June 17, 2020
- I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness, Austin Channing Brown, 2018
- The trouble with our talk about race: Maybe obsession over racism is the problem, New York Daily News, June 22, 2020
- Women of Color Get Less Support at Work. Here's How Managers Can Change That., Harvard Business Review, March 4, 2019
- Can the legacy of trauma be passed down the generations?, BBC, March 26, 2019
- FASD and Epigenetics, Adoptive Families Association of British Columbia
- Black Families Have Inherited Trauma, but We Can Change That, Healthline.com, Aug. 26, 2020
- Jon'a Joiner and Drink First Then Pour, www.jonajoiner.com
- Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
- Racism among white Christians is higher than among the nonreligious. That's no coincidence., NBC News, July 27, 2020
- I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness, Austin Channing Brown, 2018
- Systematic Inequality and Economic Opportunity, Center for American Progress, August 7, 2019
- The author of 'Just Mercy' says we've made talking about race political — and that has to change, The Washington Post, March 16, 2021
- What so many get wrong about racism in the workplace, Fingerprint for Success
- Rep. Attica Scott asks AG Merrick Garland to 'fully investigate' Breonna Taylor's death, The Courier Journal, March 12, 2021
- HUD commemorates National Fair Housing Month 2021, HUD.gov, April 1, 2021
- Racism & Teachable Moments, Envision Radio Panel Discussion, March 24, 2021
- 'The Talk' hiatus is extended as Piers Morgan keeps up Meghan criticism, Los Angeles Times, March 22, 2021
- What you can do to fight violence and racism against Asian Americans, PBS New Hour, March 18, 2021
- What students are saying about race and racism in America, New York Times, February 18, 2021
- The Stark Racial Inequity of Personal Finances in America, The New York Times, June 9, 2020
- The Association of African-American Financial Advisors
- The Black Business App
- Buy Black Lou Facebook Group
- How I Became the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Youtube, May 10, 2018
- This Critical Link Could Help Bridge America's Racial Wealth Gap, CNBC, June 26, 2020
- Tackling Disparities in Finance for Black and African Americans, MoneyGeek, February 8, 2021
- There's a 'credit gap' between Black and white Americans, and it's holding Black Americans back from building wealth, Business Insider, January 31, 2021
- The Stark Racial Inequity of Personal Finances in America, The New York Times, June 9, 2020
- Redlined, Now Flooding, Bloomberg CityLab, March 15, 2021
- Counteracting Negotiation Biases Like Race and Gender in the Workplace, Harvard Law School, November 19, 2020
- 9 Startling Facts that show just how hard the student-debt crisis is hurting Black Americans, Business Insider, June 10, 2020
- The Importance of a Diverse Teaching Force, Brookings, November 2017
- Why Aren't There More Black Teachers? Racism Still Plays a Role. Huffington Post. April 2017
- A Battle for the Soul of Black Girls, The New York Times, October 2020
- Using Positive Discipline Techniques in the Classroom
- 10 Black Women Innovators and the Awesome Things They Brought Us, Yes Magazine, March 2016
- Educators are Key in Protecting Students' Mental Health During COVID-19, Brookings, February 2021
- Away From the Classroom, Disadvantaged JCPS Students Fail at Higher Rates, WFPL Louisville, February 2021
- Black Students in the Condition of Education, National School Boards Association, June 23, 2020
- The National Report Card, National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP)
- Families say incidents show pattern of unfair punishment for girls of color, ABC News, Oct. 28, 2020
- 'Sometimes I feel like the problems started with desegregation': Exploring Black superintendent perspectives on desegregation policy, International Journal of Qualitative Studies in Education, September 2008
- The legacy of long-time high school football coach Ty Scroggins, WLKY, February 11, 2021
- DeSales' Ty Scroggins helps create Minority Coaches Association, WDRB, July 2, 2020
- 'He did it the right way': Ty Scroggins remembered as much more than a football coach, Courier Journal, February 11, 2021
- Why We Say 'Opportunity Gap' Instead of 'Achievement Gap', Teach for America, May 11, 2018
- New Evidence of Racial Bias on SAT, Inside Higher Ed, June 21, 2010
- Race gaps in SAT scores highlight inequality and hinder upward mobility, Brookings.edu, February 1, 2017
- A Model for Creating an Inclusive American Lit Curriculum, Edutopia, July 30, 2020
- The Hidden Cost of Brown v. Board: African American Educators' Resistance to Desegregating Schools, New Prairie Press, 2017
- White Coats for Black Lives
- Black Mamas Matter
- Black Women's Health Imperative
- National Medical Association
- Lost Mothers: Maternal Mortality in the U.S., NPR, 2018
- How we fail black patients in pain, AAMC.org, January 6, 2020, Link
- The 'Father of Modern Gynecology' Performed Shocking Experiments on Enslaved Women, History.com, December 4, 2018, Link
- America is Failing its Black Mothers, Harvard Public Health, Winter 2019, Link
- Beyonce, Serena Williams open up about potentially fatal childbirths, a problem especially for black mothers, Washington Post, Aug. 6, 2018, Link
- What Serena Williams' scary childbirth story says about medical treatment of black women, Vox, Jan. 11, 2018, Link
- Black Mothers Keep Dying After Giving Birth. Shalon Irving's Story Explains Why, NPR, Dec. 7, 2017, Link
- Racial and Ethnic Disparities Continue in Pregnancy-Related Deaths, CDC Newsroom, Sept. 5, 2019, Link
- The Health Care System and Racial Disparities in Maternal Mortality, Center for American Progress, May 2018, Link
- Dr. Helen Octavia Dickens, Changing the Face of Medicine, Link
- Our guest works for Lutheran Social Ministries of New Jersey. Link
- The Color of Law, Richard Rothstein, Link
- 'Heroes or Hostages?': Communities of color bear the burden of essential work in Coronavirus crisis, ABC News, May 22, 2020, Link
- IREM Policy Initiatives, Link
- Our guest works for Lutheran Social Ministries of New Jersey. Link
- The Story Behind '40 Acres and a Mule', Codeswitch, an NPR Podcast, Jan. 12, 2015, Link
- The Color of Law, Richard Rothstein, Link
- The Racist Housing Policy that Made Your Neighborhood, The Atlantic, May 22, 2014, Link
- Walkabout: North Side woman saw injustice and made her own power, a story about Dorothy-Mae Richardson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Oct. 21, 2019, Link
- Who is Botham Jean? Dallas man shot by police officer was more than his death, Sept. 21, 2019, Dallas WFAA 8, Link
- Former Dallas Police Officer is Guilty of Murder for Killing Her Neighbor, Oct. 1, 2019, The New York Times, Link
- Younger, college-educated Black Americans are most likely to feel need to 'code-switch', Sept. 24, 2019, Pew Research Center, Link
- Why we can't stop fighting about cancel culture, Aug. 25, 2020, Vox, Link
- What is Juneteenth?, June 18, 2015, History.com, Link
- Colin Powell discusses racism in America, July 9, 2020, NBC News, Link
- The Devaluation of Assets in Black Neighborhoods, The Brookings Institute, Nov. 27, 2018, Link
- K-12 Disparity Facts and Statistics, UNCF.org, Link
- Eliminating Racial Disparities in Maternal and Infant Mortality, Center for American Progress, May 2, 2019, Link
- Systemic Inequality: Displacement, Exclusion, and Segregation, Center for American Progress, Aug. 7, 2019, Link
- Criminal Justice Reform, Equal Justice Initiative, Link
- Blacks in America still largely invisible, study finds, NBC News, Dec. 11, 2019, Link
- Black Americans more likely than overall public to be Christian, Protestant, Pew Research Center, April 23, 2018, Link
Happy Friday, ya'll! We've made it to the weekend! We wanted to share some thoughts on unity, hope, and Jesus as we wrap up our week. We hope you'll watch and join us in the challenge of loving all people — even those who disagree with you! And whew! That can be a challenge!
- She Said a Black Teen Stole Her Phone. Now She Faces Robbery and Assault Charges., The New York Times, Jan. 8, 2021, Link
- Gayle King Interview with Miya Ponsetto, CBS This Morning, January 2021, Link
- Self-Described Member of Boogaloo Bois Charge with Riot, United States Department of Justice, Oct. 23, 2020, Link
- Authorities suspect white supremacists and far-left extremists are behind violence at protests, CBS News, May 30, 2020, Link
- Ky. Rep. Attica Scott discusses moments leading up to arrest, felony charge, WAVE 3 News, Sept. 25, 2020, Link
- The Two Mamas and a Mustard Seed 12 Days of Restoration devotional is available now here
- Marita Willis is the Chief Empowerment Officer at Hope Collaborative. Learn more about Hope Collaborative at hopeccd.org
- Marita talked about an organization she has been involved with throughout the years, Cabbage Patch. You can learn more about this organization at cabbagepatch.org
- Marita and her husband Bob grew up in the Park Hill neighborhood of Louisville. Learn more about this neighborhood at here
- Marita’s son Rashaan died during a historic flood in Louisville in 1997. Read more in The Courier Journal’s article, 16-year-Old St. X Student Drowns after Minivan Goes into Creek, March 3, 1997
- More information on The Floods of 1997 from Louisville MSD
- Marita and her husband started a foundation in honor of their son. To date, the Team Shaan Foundation has raised more than $1 million that has been distributed throughout the community. Read more about the foundation here
- Marita talks about Louisville pediatrician Dr. Grace James. Read more about her in the article Remembering Groundbreaking Physician Dr. Grace Marilynn James, March 16, 2018, in Louisville Magazine
- Marita’s daughter had Sickle Cell Anemia. Read more about Sickle Cell here
- This episode’s civil rights hero was A. Philip Randolph. Read his full biography here
- The Two Mamas and a Mustard Seed 12 Days of Restoration devotional is available now here
- Marita Willis is the Chief Empowerment Officer at Hope Collaborative. Learn more about Hope Collaborative at hopeccd.org
- Hope Collaborative mainly works with immigrants and refugees in Louisville. Read more about refugees and immigrants in Louisville in A Profile of the Foreign-Born in the Louisville Metropolitan Area, Prepared by the Urban Institute for the Louisville Metro Office for International Affairs
- Marita speaks about modern police departments and how they started as slave patrols. Read this Time article, How the US Got Its Police Force, Time Magazine, May 18, 2017
- Marita mentions a pastor named Tim. She is speaking about Tim Findley, a pastor at Kingdom Fellowship Christian Life Center in Louisville
- Marita mentions a pastor named Dave Stone. He is a retired senior pastor from Southeast Christian Church in Louisville
It's Thanksgiving and our hosts Kisa and Renee are thankful for so much. After God, these ladies are most thankful for their husbands. What a great time to invite them to be guests on the podcast. Kisa and Renee will talk about Thanksgiving, of course. But you'll get to hear how Kisa and Renee met their husbands from the perspective of the guys. We'll also talk about what it's like being white men raising black children. You won't want to miss this two-part episode. This is part 2.
It's Thanksgiving and our hosts Kisa and Renee are thankful for so much. After God, these ladies are most thankful for their husbands. What a great time to invite them to be guests on the podcast. Kisa and Renee will talk about Thanksgiving, of course. But you'll get to hear how Kisa and Renee met their husbands from the perspective of the guys. We'll also talk about what it's like being white men raising black children. You won't want to miss this two-part episode. This is part 1.
- Little Legends: Exceptional Men in Black History | Amazon Link
- Little Leaders: Bold Women in Black History | Amazon Link
- Statistics of the United States where history of Black income was found | Link
- Apollo 16: The Men, The Moon, The Memories documentary | Amazon Link
- Incandescent Electric Lighting: A Practical Description of the Edison System by Lewis Howard Latimer | Amazon link
- Albert Tate Video, Facebook Link
- Dr. Tony Evans, Oneness Embraced: Reconciliation, the Kingdom, and How We are Stronger Together, Amazon Link
- Ronald Reagan’s Long-Hidden Racist Conversation With Richard Nixon, July 2019, The Atlantic Link
- A history of racism is woven into the US presidency, July 2019, Associated Press Link
- Amendment 4 Addresses Alabama Constitution’s Legacy of Racial Injustice, October 23, 2020, Equal Justice Initiative Link
- 13th, Netflix Documentary, Netflix Link
- Christians and The Third Space: Voting, Justice, and Righteousness with Kathryn Freeman, Jenny Yang, and Michael Wear, Be the Bridge Podcast with Latasha Morrison, Apple Podcasts Link
- The first song featured in this episode is Free by Gungor and William Matthews. Spotify
- The second song featured in this episode is Oh the Deep Deep Love of Jesus by Audrey Assad. Spotify
- The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the African American Male, U.S. Public Health Service Syphilis Study at Tuskegee, or Tuskeegee Experiment, was a clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis; the African-American men in the study were told they were receiving free health care from the Federal government of the United States. Most men were only given placebos despite the fact that penicillin became the known treatment in 1947. History.com
- J. Marion Sims, known as the father of gynecology, performed experimental surgeries on enslaved women without anesthesia. History.com
- Forced sterilization has been around for centuries. Most recently as 2010s on women in prison in California. PBS
- Upside Down Podcast, Episode 75, The Necessity of Voting with Lisa Sharon Harper. Link
- The Social Dilemma Documentary on Netflix
- The 5 Most Misused and Abused Bible Verses, Relevant Magazine, July 24, 2020
- Audrey Assad Serves as a Musician and an Advocate for Refugees, National Catholic Reporter, April 7, 2017
- What Do Christians Have Against Homosexuality? Tim Keller at Veritas, YouTube Video, Nov. 29, 2011
- Wintley Phipps Sings It Is Well with My Soul, Gaither Music YouTube Video, April 6, 2012
Hair Care Resources
- Chocolate Hair Vanilla Care: A Parent's Guide to Beginning Natural Hair Styling | Amazon Link
- Basic African American Kids Hair Care Routine + Tips for Foster & Adoptive Moms | YouTube Video
- Woman Educates Transracial Families on African American Hair Care | YouTube Video
- African American & Multiracial Children's Hair Care – 3 Quick Tips | YouTube Video
- Tutus and Tennis Shoes Hair Care Website | Link
Other Resources
- In Their Voices: Black Americans on Transracial Adoption by Rhonda M. Roorda | Amazon Link
- In Their Voices: Transracial Adoptees Tell Their Stories by Rita J. Simon and Rhonda M. Roorda | Amazon Link
- The Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child by Nancy Newton Verrier | Amazon Link
- Kisa quotes from Mother to Son by Jasmine L. Holmes, Link
- Terrence mentions the book called Cry Like a Man: Fighting for Freedom from Emotional Incarceration by Jason Wilson Link
- Darian talks about a book he read in this episode and that book is I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness by Austin Channing Brown. Link
- Terrence mentions The Cure: What if God isn't who you think He is and neither are you by Bruce McNichol. Link
- The Link Between Experiences of Racism and Stress and Anxiety for Black Americans, Anxiety and Depression Association of America, Link
- Connecting: Forging Real Relationships with People of Color, Psychology Today, August 2016, Link
- Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria, Beverly Daniel Tatum, Link
- Reconstructing the Gospel, Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove, Link
- 'I See these Conversations as Protective': Talking with Kids About Race, Ibram X. Kendi NPR Interview, June 2020, Link
- We are Repeating the Discrimination Experiment Every Day, Says Educator Jane Elliott, NPR July 2020, Link
- Study: White and Black Children Biased Toward Lighter Skin, CNN, May 2010, Link
- Urban Intellectuals Black History Flash Cards, Link
- WAM! Kids Diversity Book Bundle, Link
- Shirley Chisholm is a Verb! Kids Book, Link
- Chadwick Boseman's 2019 SAG Award Acceptance Speech, Link
- New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio Speech Following the Death of Eric Garner in 2014, Link
- 2018 Movie The Green Book Restaurant Scene, Link
- Come On in the Room by the Georgia Mass Choir, Link
- Let Justice Roll Down by John M. Perkins, Link
- Dream with Me by John M. Perkins, Link
- Cannon Hinnant Called a Beautiful Soul, Link
- Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, Emmanuel Acho and Roger Goodell, Part 1 Link, Part 2 Link
- Tonya McDowell Case, Link
- Lori Laughlin Case, Link
- Tim Keller Makes the Case that Caring About Social Justice Doesn't Make You a Marxist, Relevant Magazine, August 2020, Link
- Ella Baker: Making the Struggle Every Day, Link
- black-ish, Season 2, Episode 16, Hope, Link
- Stamped from the Beginning, Ibram X. Kendi, Link
- NAACP Criminal Justice Fact Sheet, Link
- George Stinney was Young, Black and Sentenced to Die, Link
- Emmett Till is Murdered, Link
- New York Times Black and White Statistics, Link
- Education Week Racialized Anger Bias Article, Link
- Wild at Heart by John Eldredge, Link
- James Chaney, Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman Story, Link
- “I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality…I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.” –Dr. Martin Luther King, Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech, Oslo, December 10, 1964
- "L.A. County deputies point guns at 3 Black teens who said a man tried to stab them"–CBS This Morning, August 11, 2020
- "The Gospel Race and Justice" –Pastor Jamaal Williams, Sojourn Midtown, Louisville, Kentucky, August 9, 2020
- CT Vivian Audio from the stairs of the Selma, Alabama, Courthouse steps, February 1965
We are so excited to be starting this new podcast. Two Mamas and a Mustard Seed will launch Aug. 17, 2020. We are just two mamas trying to hang on to Jesus and walk the road of racial reconciliation. Join us as we talk about faith, hope, and race in America.
Trailer Written and Produced by: Kisa Hoeltke and Renee Lewis Trailer Editing by: Renee Reithel Trailer Music: Where I Wanna Be by Dazy Chain Podcast Logo Illustrations by: Austin Light