Keeping-Track: Recent Episodes
Alysia Montano, Molly Huddle, Roisin McGettigan
Alysia Montano, Molly Huddle and Roisin McGettigan are three Olympians, from 2 countries, including 2 Moms and 1 current pro coming together to talk about the inspiring figures, important topics and interesting stories in women's sports. We care about the landscape and future of our sport of Track and Field and we want to create more media coverage of women's sports in general. We'll be interviewing inspiring athletes, and discussing topics and news in the track world and beyond. Thanks for Keeping Track with us!
Be an Underbird with Oiselle! Apply today! We catch Up with Justine in Hungary leading into the 2024 World Athletic Championships and speak on her Hungarian (and French/ Caribbean) background , how she has "pieces of her heart all over the world", her athletic carreer, her creative work, her work with Oiselle and her hopes and goals for the sport of Track and Field!
Molly interviews Ro about athlete Mental Health. Roisin McGettigan-Dumas is of course our Co-Host, but also: a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (and 2012 Olympian in Track and Field!) and also coaches athletes on sport performance psychology. We chat about the information Ro Learned from the IOC's new course on Athlete Mwntal Health and share resources for athlete screening. Ro also talks about how she found her passion for this field, working with young athletes, barriers to seeking a provider and we share some personal experiences on the topic as well.
Resources: IOC mental health assessment and recognition tools https://olympics.com/athlete365/app/uploads/2021/06/BJSM-SMHAT-1-Athlete365-2020-102411.pdf https://olympics.com/athlete365/app/uploads/2021/06/BJSM-SMHRT-1-Athlete365-2020-102411.pdf
Ro and I chat with friend of the pod Emily Sisson a few days after her amazing second place, 2:18:29 American Record run in the marathon-only her third crack at the distance, and talk about the build up, the race, recovery from covid, and how she’s grown as an athlete with her mental approach toward high pressure situations.
Emily is a long time talent-from racing internationally at Pan American and World Jr championships in XC and on the track as a young athlete to winning indoor and outdoor NCAA 5000m titles, setting the indoor NCAA 5000m record, and as a pro representing Team USA at the 2017, and 2019 world championships and the 2021 Olympics in the 10,000. She is a 5 time USA champion over road and track distances and recently set the American record in the half marathon . Emily is a super talented and focused athlete and we can’t wait to hear about this big achievement that was a long time in the making!
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Alison Mariella Dèsir Author of Running While Black : Finding Freedom In A Sport That Wasn’t Built For Us
Molly and Alysia speak with Alison about the process of writing her book, who she hopes reads it, how she hopes it affects the running industry, her love of running and her approach to the disruption the book may stir. Alysia reads you a few sneak peeks from the book that are particularly powerful so tune in!
pre order now, release dat OCT 18 and meet Alison on Tour here!
Links-
Book! Buy Running While Black here
Alisons site and social instagram- @alisonmdesir twitter- @AlisonMDesir
Our previous episode with Alison: listen here from May of 2020
Alisons outside mag piece referenced in pod
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Link-Hannah’s website: Schooloftrack.org for aspiring track and field coachesHannah Chappel-Dick **Brown University Womens Middle Distance and Cross Country Coach
On being brought on for her first coaching position: "That's why, as a coach now I try to do as much shoulder tapping as possible. If I see that (potential) in someone I try to mention it right away because I think a lot of women maybe don’t naturally form that confidence without hearing it from someone else first…maybe that’s a little bit cultural, but to have that confidence placed in me was really huge”**
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Molly Speaks with Olympic Alpine Skiier and Marathon Chirine Njeim about her start in skiiing, how moving to Chicago inspired her love of running and how a hobby became another Olympic berth.
Chirine talks about challenges she's faced in the sport, her love of her home country Lebanon and speaks briefly about her recent survivial of a plane crash and how it's changed her perspective.
See more in our show notes here!
We Speak With Dena Evans formerly of the National Championship Stanford XC/T&F Program, Currently coaching with Peninsula Distance and USATF Teams
**Dena speaks about challenges faced by coaches, especially women in the NCAA who also have families. She also talks about the need to expand our hiring pool into more diverse communities in regard to the Professional team coaches in the US.
“That can be exhausting (piecing together your own network for childcare)...we need to figure out ways to make it not so exhausting and I think part of that is to try to normalize the idea that families are a feature and not a bug”**
"If we are to be the sport we want to be we want to 1.) not just keep dividing up the same pie into different slices, we need to broaden the pie.
……2.) we also need to broaden the idea pool. We are probably missing out on some innovation and ideas by having a homogenous (group)..... the thing that seems safe could be the same thing that’s limiting us…. Diverse voices in leadership yield results”
USTFCCCA Womens Mentorship Program
USATF Level 1 certifications
USATF National Team Coach info
NCAA Coaching Academy
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We speak with Dr. Cecile Reynaud: long tenured women’s volleyball coach and professor in Sport Management at FSU about her recent book speaking to some of the most successful women in coaching across the NCAA and professional teams and about the state of women in coaching today : how are the numbers and what does she think we need to do going forward?
Book link to Winning Ways of Women Coaches
Link to She Can Coach
WeCoach website
Her volleyball books
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This is a prerecorded episode that occurred in March at the REI /she Is Beautiful event which included a 5k and 10k run and a panel discussion in Santa Cruz from some amazing women in sport: Alysia moderated the discussion called “Own Your Story” with athelte author and advocate Alison Desir, 2019 Team USA member in the 1500m and founder of the pride 5k Nikki Hiltz, trail running coach/ outdoor guide and author Kriste Peoples, and Kim Woozy who is involved in events that empower women and girls such as Skate Like A Girl -as they all shared their journeys to becoming advocates for underrepresented communities in their sports.
Thank you to REI for your support and for providing a platform for this discussion
The Catchup:
Link to pre-order the book Arrival Stories
Alysia’s Marathon and Every Mother Counts fundraising page!
&mother and EveryMotherCounts have partnered
They raised $200,000 through the marathon alone for a new ambulance at a secondary all girls school in the Kilimanjaro region
Link &Mother Mom forward virtual 5k, coming May8th!
Alysia’s marathon run down- hard terrain, running with Christie Turlington on her last Marathon, experiencing an African city
**Introducing Kim Smith: 4 time NCAA Champion and 3 time Olympian for New Zealand, New Zealand record holder in events from indoor mile up through the Marathon.
We speak with Kim about her start in running, her breakout college season, her pro career and the lessons she learned. We also touch on what Kim's up to now and her history with pulmonary embolisms.
(Apologies for the sound-We were psyched to be back in studio at WhatCheer Writers Club!..... But we forgot how to use the equipment after 2 years away-Molly's mic wasn't recording so she sounds quieter than normal....but Kim sounds great so no important info is lost there! )
We hope you enjoy, comment and rate us on I-tunes if you feel inclined!**
We talk to Team USA Triple Jumper and and 2 time American Record Holder Tori Franklin about her start in the sport, her plans for the future and all she's doing outside of it to be a whole person.
We drop a lot of links in the intro:
Support Alysia's Marathon Fundraising for Every Mother Counts
Women's Running Article : What has changed in the 2 Years since Ahmaud Arbery's Murder
Tracksmith Foundation Shoutout!
Books!
Preorder Alison Desir's Running While Black
More books in this Memoir list by Womens Running
Follow Mirna Valerio @themirnavator !
2 black Runners Podcast
Meb's For The Run Round Table Conversation
If you want a Keeping Track Tote, or more info on Patreon or this episode via our blog go here
Tori Franklin : Follow on instagram @livhappii
Some of her writing: Blogs Here
website here
book coming soon: You Anthem
Watch her and the other athletes compete at USA Indoor Track And Field Championships
schedule and viewing info : 2-4pm PST on CNBC
How She Did It Book Talk:
HSDI website
Co Authors Sara Slattery and Molly talk with Ro about who and what's in their book due out March 8th. Pre order today to get it on International Women's Day!
Todays topics:
Should you specialize in sport early to be the best?
Sharing interesting chapters
What Would Sara ,Molly and Ro want for their daughters ?
Are women and girl's peaks in distance running later than we think?
What was the inspiration for the cover?
See more on our blog here! and stay tuned for the rest of February and our Black History Month Celebrations.
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Today we are sharing the second episode Alysia recorded live from TRE earlier in the month as she spoke with Shannon Woods, who is currently the senior manager of DEI at Brooks Running among other things. Shannon tells us how her own upbringing as a mixed race woman and the experiences of both herself and the experiences of her parents during the civil rights movement as well as her own experiences as a mother who wanted to make sure her kids learned diverse histories she didn’t in school all informed her decision to work in DEI . She is working on dismantling systemic racism in the running community and on opening up opportunities in these jobs via her role at Brooks and on the Running Industry Diversity Coalition Board . For more show notes as always head to our website www.keeping-track.com!
Also check out our Tees and Visors, as all of our Dec/Jan sales go to Trackgirlz **2022 grants as they work to promote "Sisterhood, Empowerment and Track And Field".
Also don't forget to follow us on instagram @keeptrackmedia and like or review us on iTunes!**
Today we have a surprise guest hostess (Marielle Hall!) as we talk to Viola Lagat, also known as Viola Cheptoo Lagat, who you may know as recent second place woman at the 2021 NYC Marathon (and maybe you’ve heard of one of her many talented runner siblings, Bernard Lagat?)
She takes us through her family’s deep running roots, what her training is like, how she spends time between the US and Kenya, her journey from being a1500m runner to nearly beating the Olympic Champion in her debut marathon, and her remembrance of her friend Agnes Tirop. Viola shares with us how close to home and ever present gender based violence, like what lead to Agnes’ murder, is in Kenya and what she and other women are doing to help change things for the next generation.
Alysia talks to Alexi Pappas live at the 2021 TRE expo in Austin, Texas. They talk about being new teammates for Altra Running, about giving yourself permission to be more than an athlete, for example how creative projects energize and motivate Alexi rather than take away from her performance, the power of your inner narrative, Alexi's unique experience running vs racing the NYC Marathon, her projects as an author and director and more!
As always it was a refreshing and uplifting perspective to hear from Alexi!
Buy Bravey book here!
Thanks to Altra and CleanSportCollective for helping us host the conversation!
We talk to Mary Wacera Ngugi, who most recently finished 3rd at the 2021 Boston Marathon, about her start in the sport, how Kenyan camp systems work and her journey to the marathon. You may be surprised to hear who is coaching her now!
We also talk to Mary about her brave and impactful efforts to help women of Kenya find confidence and escape abusive marriages. She recently started the Womens Athletic Alliance as part of the movement that has gained volume in East Africa following the tragic murder of Agnes Tirop by her husband, she was one of the brightest young stars in the womens 10,000m. Mary has always seen the need to change how women are treated as property and told from a young age they don’t matter and to be quiet. She hopes to provide a safe place of support, to celebrate the women athletes as people, provide legal aid and mentoring through the new Program. Many women from around the sports world have offered help and support and we are there behind her too.
Womens Athletic Alliance founder
Follow her here
“The women deserve better. Being married to a person who loves and cares about me, I feel so much that my sisters and the women in Kenya should live a life like that; they should be treated better, they should be loved, they should be cared about and supported-they need the support not the control” -Mary Ngugi
Ro and I do a 25 min catch up on fall action (there has been a lot of it!) so feel free to fastforward to the GOOD STUFF aka Kori Carter and Natasha Hastings talking through some of the struggles they had this past year, what helped them through and tips for anyone dealing with similar things, plus we talk about the success, origins and future plans of their Youtube Track and Field talk show TrackGirl Summer. Check our blog for more links but some mentioned in catch up and episode are here:
Follow Mary Ngugi
Follow Violah Lagat
Follow Kori Carter
Follow Natasha Hastings
Womens Athletic Alliance
subscribe to TrackGirl Summer
Merchandise!
Loveland Foundation
Natasha's Foundation NHF Cares-they do scholarships and more
Natasha's Original show Teatime with Tasha
the 400m Diva lip and lash collection!
Kori's world champs vibe
Kori's Christian Athlete Training Journal
Fall Marathons are back! The 125th running of the Boston Marathon is being held on Indiginous People's Day, October 11th, in Massachusetts. We talk to one of the best road runners in American History, Patti Dillon, about her career, being the fastest Native runner in history and how she is staying connected to the Native Community. Patti also talks about the power of the mind in running, her unique journey from smoker to Marathon champion and how healing trauma is the way forward in life.
Molly does this interview solo and missed Ro and Alysia big time! Also this interview was done in the Fairmont Copley Lobby so there is some ambient crowd noise as we catch up live-ish among the hubub of pre-Marathon preparations.
Check out Wings Of America here, and follow Patti Dillon on instagram @pattispeaks227
We're doing our second episode swap of the season-this time hilighting Hear Her Sports with Elizabeth Emery.
Elizabeth was a professional cyclist in the 90's and now is on the other side of the game as a content creator with Hear Her Sports podcast, "Hear Her Sports is the podcast where female athletes share stories of breaking barriers, speaking up, and living with power and confidence in today’s changing world. Every guest does amazing things."
website: here
subscribe on Apple Podcasts here
Hear legendary coach Muffet McGraw talk about her experiences advocating for the sport of women's basketball during her 32 year career at The University of Notre Dame.
Subscribe to hear her sports here and check out the website for more women's sports stories!
Molly Ro and Alysia talk to prep phenom Mary Cain about the struggles and abuses she faced as a young track star under now banned (by USADA and Safe Sport) coach Alberto Salazar. Mary tells us how this journey inspired her to start a unique women's track club called Atalanta, what her future running and racing plans and dreams are, and other experiences we'd like to not see affect women in sport in the future.
Friend of the Podcast Kate Grace is back to chat about how she's found her power and found herself leading the Diamond League and setting PR's this season after narrowly missing the 202one US Olympic Team.
Kate tells us how she went from a well rounded Yale Student -athlete to a focused pro, and we hit on topics like the business side of track and field, spike technologies, how she learned to listen to the voice inside saying "the 800m is your best event!" plus we dispel some Olympic "myths".
Thank you to Saucony for continued support!
Plus- Alysia's Caden Shae Bloom line is live ! Check it out!
Ro and Molly talk with newly minted 400m Olympian and 2019 World Champion 4th place finisher Wadeline Jonathas.
We spoke about her Covid Year, graduating from University of South Carolina, and insights on media coverage and storytelling of professional athletes.
Also check out our blog for all the links and show notes!
www.keeping-track.com
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As always thank you to Saucony for supporting season 2 ok Keeping-Track!
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We talk to Amy about her resillence, her best race, what she' s learned as she enters the coaching world, and even dive into topics like shoe technology and social media .
“For every high that I’ve had like that there has been an equal low- I think every runner and every person experiences this- but really you have to weather the storm. You have to get through that bad mile because a good one is coming up- you just have to have faith that it’s going to happen”
-Amy Hastings, 2x Olympian and World Champs bronze medalist
Molly and Alysia talk anti-doping. We’re speaking on doping cases like Shelby Houlihan’s recent case where accidental contamination is named as the cause. How are the many cases like these in the USA alone over the last few years potentially affecting clean athletes and the progress toward anti-doping? We talk about the concerns around setting a precedent for escaping a ban, on trying to avoid our own biases, exlpain more about the AIU, learn of Alysia’s experiences fighting for clean sport and talking to Yuliya Stepanova, and note how we are waiting to hear the other side of the case annnnnd we leave you with why there are still real amazing performances out there.
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We talk to Keturah about her Covid Year, why mentorship is important to her, Rule 50, her training , her challenging moments and the mantras they taught her, what it's like to train with a legend like Brittney Reese and why it's important to know Keturah is more than an athlete.
Thanks to Whoop for sponsoring this episode! Head to whoop.com and use code TRACK for 15% off a recovery band!
also check out Keturah's great blog keturahorji.com
and thanks to Saucony.com for supporting our season 2 production costs!
check out our blog for full show notes on this epsidode
www.keeping-track.com
Our first women's sports pod cross promotion is with Cherie Louis Turner's Stride's Forward Podcast. We sent her our Dawn Harper Nelson Episode last month and we host her interview with ultra running star Courtney Dauwalter.
Big Thanks to WHOOP for sponsoring this episode. use our code "TRACK" for 15% off!
Annnnnd anyone needing motivation to race-check out these two virtual events supporting maternal health causes like Every Mother Counts!
EMC Global Run Challenge which ends June 2!
Also the Made to Move Virtual Race
In this episode Ro and Molly talk with Michelle Carter who is a three-time Olympian, American Record Holder and Rio Olympic Champion in the shot put. She tells us how this past year has gone, how she harnesses her confidence, her plans outside of track, what it was like during that gold medal throw, her special relationship with her coach and sports star Dad, and how she’s thrived by as she states it by "embracing all of who she is."
How to follow Michelle:
- Instagram @shotdiva
- Facebook @ShotPutDiva
- Website
Shout outs from the intro:
- Katie Burgess at Garrison Hughes is up for Addy awards for the work she did on our Instagram account this January
- Pre-order our S1Ep6 guest Tianna Bartolettas book Survive and Advance
- Roisin and Lauren Fleshman's Believe Training Journal
- Alysia’s book Feel Good Fitness
- Support &Mother with a virtual 5k
- Our Patreon
And thank you to Saucony for covering Season 2 production costs and to Gatorade Endurance for sponsoring this episode! This month the focus is Personalization Is Power. How are you tailoring your hydration and fueling to you? Check out the new Gx Sweat patch here and get 20% off Gendurance products with code TRACK20 (Offer good until 12/31/21).
As always, check out our website for more episode information including show notes, transcripts, and more, and follow us on Instagram.
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We talk to Irish record holder, mama, cancer survivor and our good friend Mary Cullen about her start in the sport, her days at Providence College, her pro-career, injury struggles and recent battle with cancer which occurred during her pregnancy with baby Ellis. Mary has always been a strong one, and we hear it from her today. Thanks for Keeping Track!
Intro: Molly and Alysia intro Mary and Alysia has some shout outs:
You can support &mother as they support Mother-athletes chasing Olympic Dreams this year
Also can support them by signing up for their virtual Mom Forward 5k, with maternity fitness brand cadenshae and Altra running!
reg opens March 23
As always check into our website and block keeping-track.com for transcripts and more show info!
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In this episode we talk to Michelle wheeler. She is a wheelchair racer in the marathon on the roads and Paralympic hopeful on the track. We talked to her about her life as Mom, as an athlete and as a professional mental health counselor. She tells us how she has been doing over this Pandemic year, and we discuss how Paralympic athletes could be better represented and supported as well as how she has been a role model for other kids to enter the sport.
See our website (https://keeping-track.com) for show notes with links and a full transcript.
We spoke to scientist, distance runner and trans woman Joanna Harper about her book Sporting Gender. In it she covers the history and science of DSD and transatheltes in an interesting read that gives deeper information on the discussions about women’s sport you likely have seen in recent news as well as an inside view of some of the IAAF rulings on DSD and Trans athletes. We also hear from 800m runner Kate Grace (as well as Alysia) on their perspectives in an event that has seen dominance by women with DSD and how they’re both honestly still figuring out how to talk about this complex topic and all it’s intersections in a way that’s fair and supportive for all involved.
(full transcript and show notes with links at our site)
The gals catch up for a bit then we talk to newly professional runner, NCAA XC and 10,000m champ Weini Kelati. We talk about her recent year during Covid times at school in New Mexico, her decisions to go pro and where to go and who to sign with, and then we delve into part of Weini’s backstory . She tells us about how she found running in her rural Eritrean village, and how she hopes to inspire a wider view of what’s possible for women back home.
Catch up:
0-6 Alysia’s Diastasis Recti surgery recovery- prioritize your body’s peak functioning!
8-Ro’s post baby life update. Resource yourself!
14-Molly: Alexi Papas Op Ed on clinical depression and Aliphine Tuliamuk baby announcement!
17-athlete mental health risks
19-having something outside of sport as an athlete can help you keep perspective and joy
25-Weini’s introduction and our takeaways from the conversation
33: intro Weini @kelatiweini twitter and @weini_kelati instagram and Weini Kelati facebook
Her life this year during covid: school, class online, training, no racing
34-On going pro!
Importance of seeking and making your own support group as an athlete (like a family away from your family)
How she made her decision to go to Flagstaff (Dark Sky Distance with Steven Haas and Under Armor)
42- Weini’s journey into the sport as a girl from rural Eritrea and how she got to USA and stayed at 17 years old
45-she walked to meet 5 hours away!
53 “(in my village in Eritrea) Your family has no vision for you as a girl. All they know is you can get married in a few years, and you have to learn what your Mom does. I didn’t see a lot of runners, I hadn’t heard of runners or anything.’
“I want to be the best example I can be-I want to through running inspire the women and young adults (back home)....I want to show that they can be independent and do things bigger than what’s expected”
55-misguided beliefs about women’s health and sport back home, disapproval of letting kids go away overnight to meets
57-courage to go against the norm
Ro wants to share this video , explaining barriers to access to physical exercise, (such as Weini describes back home and we see in the USA as well!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgClXqDxtZg&t=1s&fbclid=IwAR1piTvXrsTWAHGfRyPPo70vDg8Qvfljv_jZvqKJ1dVF3cSsSJAl-hWaVYU
Today Alysia, Ro and I catch up then Alysia and I talk to USA Long Jump Legend Brittney Reese. She is a 7 time World Champ gold medalist , 2012 Olympic champion and 2016 silver medalist, and indoor American record holder. We talk to her about her pandemic year, training at the Olympic Training Center, life with her son, how she is giving back to the kids in her Mississippi home town and what she has planned for the future.
0-4: Ro and Alysia catch up-juggling kids during Covid and working for yourself: saying yes to too much
5- post election emotions
10-Hour Track record
14-Intro Brittney Reese (alysia is pumping -Mom at work!)2012 gold
Brittney is legendary athlete, and opening herself up more as a shy but impactful presence in the community.
17: Brittney Reese Interview
Based at Oly Training center in Chula Vista-what changes w Covid:
Brittneys Fam: son Alex is 13
Balancing training and him/distance learning/his sports schedule etc
21-Future plans: Just got her Masters in entrepreneurship
22- we need more meet opportunities in USA
“I don’t think we have enough meets to meet those needs for everybody outside sprinting and distance”
26: she gives back to the sport and her community In many ways-
“The end goal for me is to be a track coach. I want to give back to the sport that’s allowed me to be successful .. but I also want to take that knowledge and go home (to Mississippi) and start my own track club”
30: Making the big push for these last 2 years of her career
31- wants to support her son as he gets more seriously into sports
32- what things are like right now in training
35-Being seasoned and marinated!
36- does her son ever come to practice?
37: Background on how she came to adopt him
43: doping: robs athletes of money, exposure and when it’s good people that miss out it hurts (link her op Ed)- side note, the Rodchenkov Anti Doping Act recently passed in Senate
46: life at the Olympic Training Center
(Drug tests once a month)- what’s practice like
48: can she dunk though?
WNBA plans?
(Link to league pass!)we got ours!
52: On trying to put herself out there more to affect change and reach the kids, engage in community
56“I could care less about the spotlight...but now I’m trying to open up a little bit more and give back a little bit more and I know that the youth is where it starts, which is why I have camps back home, which is why I want my own track club- I invest in the youth that’s my thing, they’re who is going to carry the sport”
57: why be closed off as an athlete? Protect your zone and mental focus
We talk to Mary Wittenberg, lifelong runner, current president of EF cycling, former CEO of Virgin Sport’s Virgin Group, and for 17 years she was CEO of NYRR. We talk about Mary’s start in the sport and how she went from a law career to leading the NYRR, her visions for the sport, how she intentionally marketec the pro athlete and advocated for the female athletes, and what her goals and visions are in the cycling space.
0-10-Molly And Ro discuss some recent world records: Letesnebet Gidey’s 14:06! And Peres Jepchirchir’s women’s only 1:05:15 to win the recent World Half Marathon Champs
11-14: what about cycling and running draws Mary in as a fan and participant (although she is a runner for life)
14-18: Notre Dame connections: Mary somewhat of a trailblazer for ND women’s XC team
How her early experiences racing behind Joan and the best lead to realizing the inspiring power of promoting and relating the pros to the other participants
19-first marathon experience was trial by fire of sorts in stacked field
“I think my whole why in life has been to help other people unlock their potential”
“It was a big advantage playing sports with men, because in my career i didnt think twice about saying it straight,and expecting that I should be in the room and at the board room table too because that was the case with sports. It helped me unlock my best, and so in wanting that for others I’ve always appreciated that professional athletes who rise and fall every day and don’t have these straight trajectories, they can be really really inspiring to regular people so I’ve always liked to establish that connection whenever I can”
22-How Mary got to NYRR
30- As an industry we have to keep learning and striving for equality
“Athletes are never going to have leverage, they have it late in career but, that’s where leadership comes in at all these companies...it’s hard for young athletes and young people to have leverage”
33-she’s focusing on safety for all riders
Why not well covered womens’s fields? Less financial support etc. “It’s overdue”
36: what we can learn from pro cycling in covering endurance events well
44“I don’t think women’s sports are a charity-I think women’s sports are good because they’re great athletic performances and I think these leagues and the like can be great businesses over time-maybe that’s something we learn- don’t treat it like a charity treat it like an entertainment prospect treat it like a business treat it like a movement’
45-expanding the diversity in cycling
48- what’s it take to be a great cyclist? Part endurance part dare devil (link BelieveIAm worrier vs warrior blog and quiz)
51-Mary’s story: “ We get to keep going and learning. …”
@Marywitt
@marywruns
Great article here on Mary via Thrive
Our guest is the inspiring Chaune Lowe, Olympic medlalist and AR in the High Jump, who shares with us some of the many layers of her journey in life and sport including her recent battle with brest cancer, how doping in sport has affected her career, the business side of field events, having a family as a female athlete and on how things are going in the build up to her 5th Olympic Trials.
Check out our site for more detailed show notes and clips of Chaunte's jumps!
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We talk to The University of Wisconsin Women's XC coach Mackenzie Wartenberger about her time as a talented prep athlete (2:04 800m) coming into Cal Berkley with Alysia, how her track career was highly affected by pressure and race anxiety, how she has carried these lessons into her 11 year coaching career so far, what it's like to coach through a pandemic and how she keeps the women engaged and motivated as well as her thoughts on navigating any plans for motherhood and climbing the ranks of her career.
"In sport, if you have torn hamstring you rehab the hamstring and you don't hide the fact that you have a torn hamstring. Thats something that you work on. If you struggle mentally with anxiety or expectation or depression or any of those things, that’s really internalized still . That's not something thats spoken about or shared. I think there is still a lot of shame applied to that struggle, instead of treating it like a muscle-when you strain a muscle you’ve got to rehab the muscle and then you’ve got to strengthen the muscle and then sometimes that muscle still hurts and you’ve got to back off. From a mental perspective I think a similar approach can be really helpful - to treat it like a normal process, it isn’t linear it’s not flipping a light switch ….. that’s a perspective that I try to bring to coaching as much as possible”for in depth show notes head to our site Keeping-Track.com
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**Alysia and Molly talk to Team USA Discus thrower Valarie Allman about setting and AR during a pandemic, life as a thrower, what her other interests are and how to better spotlight and market field events.
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And Thank you to Saucony for our season 2 support! #runforgood
Workout Wed with Val:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxuuG9z4cJU
The AR throw:
https://twitter.com/CoachSion/status/1289721823026753536
Doha World Championships
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YHQ1MC4gk
Catchup: Molly and Alysia talk as Ro takes maternity leave, welcome baby Ruari!
Alysia’s August-did it happen if it’s not on IG?
She’s doing analyst work for NBC Diamond League-yay for races coming back!
Molly’s micro meet and upcoming 5000m
Intro to Val!
-Val’s start in Discus
She began in other sports-soccer, full time dance , track and field other events
Lured to throws by spaghetti
Wanted to compete on a college team and that’s why she narrowed focused on discus
-Stanford years-everyone is good on that team, new pressures
6-How dance helps disc
-mental side of being an athlete during this pandemic time: from wanting to give up and go home to having the biggest throw of her life
Did she see it coming? 70 meters is a big barrier
Pandemic meet:
Happy to even be competing, had been focusing on getting stronger in weight room
-Volunteering at University of Texas, whats her day look like , training during covid shutdowns
Coach is Zeb Sion
- nugget of insight during pandemic: “It forced me to figure out what I truly need-pretty much all medical things closed in terms of getting physio and getting adjusted, and it forced me to shrink my priorities. That was actually great because I didn’t realize all the things I was trying to factor into my training that had become a distraction a little bit, that I think maybe that was one of the silver linings that came out of it.”
- business and finances of track and field, how throwers support themselves, her sponsors (Oiselle and NYAC), and the importance of prize money, USATF funding and grants especially for field events
- why the field events aren’t marketed as well and how it could be better connected to the audience
Discus is athletic-training includes partial movement,full throws,olympic lifts, cross training sprints/biking/swimming
Fun facts may help (ex. javelin weighs as much as guinea pig)
28:30-what the competition is like-do you chat, interact? Stay in the zone?
- Val’s story:
“Sports is such an empowering thing-I feel so lucky that I found a community and a sport and a sense of purpose with my body, especially as a female, and in an event that I didn’t know was possible."
Intro:
0-18 We rehash our season one memories, talk about our interview with Dalilah, and discuss the topic of athlete mental health highlighted in the documentary the Weight of Gold, something we want to touch on in season 2!
Watch Dalilah’s 1st world record and win at 2019 USA champs:https://youtu.be/QhE9yDzD07k
Stats
20-started running at 7, with distance running (xc, 1500!)
Ran 100/200 at junior Olympics as 12 or 13
From Queens, Novas Track Club
24-training and racing during pandemic
25-mindset during these changing goals and timelines
Mentality of world champ
30-who’s in her training group, coached by Boogie
31- link sports illustrated article https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/olympics/2019/08/07/dalilah-muhammad-400-meter-hurdles-world-record-lawrence-johnson-analysis
Dalilah’s strength work, ran a 2:11 800 at the end of practice
50.6 400 pr
35-link sports illustrated article “Black off the Track”: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/olympics/2020/06/10/black-track-and-field-athletes-racism-experiences-america
40- how she was told “she had to win” because she can’t do anything less as a black athlete-validated her thoughts and anxieties around that but was also stressful
“You feel like you have to be the best or you get forgotten about”
47- Asking why attention flows to the lighter skinned, younger, non-Muslim ahtlete in her event
48-realizing it’s not “playing the black card” -story of only getting noticed by a major track publication after her WR despite winning olympic gold 2 years earlier
49-Alysia on the imbalance of marketing and income vs merits of performance in track
50-on being Muslim and not feeling she looks it/ breaking stereotypes of Muslim women
52-The idea that there’s not enough room for everyone’s success-how Dalilah’s learned that as her career went on
56: track geek q’s! Was the WR win at Doha a “perfect race”? How to build off that?
The race: https://youtu.be/8ICw5ah7gPk
Dalilah: 51 sec is possible, had to reach for 8th hurdle
58: Her word for the year 2019 was “compete”-rivalry with Sydney, does it drive her?
60: Her power word in 2016- she attacked every hurdle. Her word was “yes”. If it worked for track, the answer ws ye (re. Moving groups etc)
Link to that race: https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/video/detail/women-s-400m-hurdles-final-rio-2016-replays/
63: Dalilahs other plans-put her voice out there more, making change, also her side gig is modeling
65- Dalilah’s into fashion check out her instagram for outfit inspo
66- Dalilah's story: “how much i’ve struggled on this crazy journey-i never won an NCAA title, in 2012 I did a commercial about the Olympics and had to sign a waiver saying i wouldn’t make the team. It launched me to realize I wasn’t doing everything to chase my goals. It also gave me change in the pocket to move to california to train”
From 15th (50th?) at trials in 2012 to gold in 2016!
We talk to Saucony President Anne Cavassa about her start in the sportswear and shoe industry, her journey through the business ranks, how sports, motherhood and being a woman informed her leadership style and the issues she faced along the way. She also talks about her goals and what she feels are her duties as a leader and a woman in this space.
(see show notes at www.keeping-track.com for complete recap)
0-23 mins Catch up:
Recap of ep 22: 40% of USA being BIPOC, or 27% of USA consider selves BIPOC?
Virtual race shoutouts! Good job Nikki Hiltz for Trevor Project
And Boss crew for Sachs Foundation (and state mile record!)
Say Their Names 5k and mile here , proceeds to Embrace Race Foundation and Nation Foundation for Human and Civil Rights Foundation
Donate to BraveLikeGabe in Gabe’s Memory to support rare cancer research
“Flowers come out of dirt and I will. They don’t want us to win but we going to win anyway”-Alysia
19-(link to earnest young- women at high level leadership roles playing sport stat)
Annes start:
Psychology to design school to apparel design, to manager, director, leading design and out of frustration to merchandising to have more control of the business, and onward and upward.
28:30-Being a woman in a leadership position:
Gender split in the industry is somewhat even UNTIL VP level
Much of career it was dealing with internal battles: personal confidence, taking risks, putting self out there
At director level-started to feel held back by being a woman
31;30 Ex:Conversation w boss “didn’t think I could lead a sport brand because I’m a woman and don’t know what competition means”
34:30- Anne is scrappy and likes competitive energy, being told she can’t was used as motivation/tried to keep it productive
36-Motherhood- had trouble becoming a mother at first, walked away from job at Nike to try to focus on health
“Motherhood has added a layer of complexity that has made it really really challenging” but has some extra flexibility due to becoming a mother later , having more of an established career and schedule
39:00- prioritized running in mid 30’s
How Covid has made it harder to be a working Mom
“ I try from a leadership perspective ....realizing that I can lead the way that I think people want and need and that is to be more empathetic of everyone's entire life and what they have going on and give space for that and grace for things that arent perfect and just recognize that. That’s the environment myself and our leadership team are trying to create at Saucony ; one that embraces the whole person and allows you to live your life-there has to be room for that”
44-“If I can be a leader who can create space and design our programs to support you guys in your whole life and becoming moms and help use through that to the other side, I mean that's my responsibility...thats what i can do as a leader to make change in our industry”
47-”There was a point in time in my leadership journey where I just felt more comfortable being myself, and I realized that I can’t really compete with the male leadership around me trying to be a dude and a guy and my strengths-some of them
We examine representation of Gender and Race on the covers of three running magazines as a sample of the North American Running media. We speak to Dr. Heather Hillsburg and Dr. Francine Darroch on their findings (14.8 percent of Runners World print Covers feature Black Indigenous and People Of Color- or BIPOC, 14.75 % of Canadian Running covers feature BIPOC, and for Women’s Running covers we saw an average 31% BIPOC over 10 years, but noticed a recent average of 40% after a sustained increase from 2013 onward), why representation matters and how these trends contribute to racism in the running world and why we need to show and hear the stories of more BIPOC and elevate more BIPOC voices in this space.
(see shownotes for full recap)
Catch up:
0-5: Alysia Ro and Molly catch up on lives
Alysia’s book is launching more officially Feel Good Fitness (link)
Molly’s back in Rhode Island
Ro’s still gestating
Link to tank tops (currently tees only but hope to arrive soon) and &mother
Guest intros: Dr. Francine Darroch, sociologist at Carleton U in Ontario, focusing on health equity and Dr. Heather Hillsburg ,author of Urban Captivity Narratives: Women’s Writing after 9/11 and works for government in British Columbia
8:14-our thoughts on why we wanted to do the study
Shoutout to Womens Running for making a sustained push to increase diversity on covers after 2013
12: only 14.8 percent of Runners World Covers feature BIPOC, our past guests Marielle Hall and Alison Desir have mentioned this lack of seeing self in this media
14: Is lack of diversity strategy intentional? Is it about the bottom line?
15:30- our personal conversation started on how from the athlete perspective, we have been told we don’t have the “look” for covers
What is required- ex Alysia is a change maker in sports industry, activist, multiple time medalist and more but that doesn’t check the right boxes
19- why getting a cover is a boon for a professional runner
“Allows for upward chain of marketability”
22- Runnersworld leaves out most of the track athletes
Alysia wish mass participation included shorter events
The interview:
23-28-we explain why we partnered with these sociologists to examine representation on running media (via 3 different magazine covers over 10 years)
29-Francine lays down her results and shouts out the research team: Heather Hillsburg (phD in gender studies), Amy Schneeburg (epidemiologist), Candace Roberts (masters student), Jenna Seyidoglu (undergraduate honors thesis student)
Examined 284 covers, focus on race and gender, between 2009 and 2019
(Runners World (122), Canadian Running(75), and Women’s Running (88))
BIPOC are underrepresented
RW-14.8%
WR- 31%
CR-14.7%
(slides and report are on website www.keeping-track.com aka show notes)
Changes over time: Womens running saw meaningful and sustained improvement in representation 2013 onward (hit 40%)
36- Heather speaks on role of media on cons
We talk to team USA Hammer thrower Gwen Berry on raising her fist in solidarity with the black community at the 2019 Pan American Championships, what is the IOC rule 50 , and why her gesture was important as well as her experiences as a black female athlete in this country.
(see our website for links and more detailed show notes;) )
The Catchup:“How are you doing” is a loaded question these days. But we all want to talk about how we’re really doing and what’s going on in America
-Going out hard with BLM and anti-racism. We want it to be sustainable. The fatigue is setting in
Keep engaging and moving on it!
-Race discussions have been taboo, it’s progress that the discussions are being heard now and on the table
-ask questions, a lot of why’s
22:34-the salute at 2019 pan ams, Gwen won gold and raised a fist on the podium
She was inspired by her own trials and tribulations from last year and saw that same struggle in other black Americans, (like the homeless man that came to her throws practice to find a safe space to sleep)
2019 was “Its a race against time”
Gwen didn’t know she was going to raise a fist at that moment, she felt in that moment to show solidarity, to show that you can still make it even though being black in America is to face systemic racism and barriers
29: IOC gave her probation, what that means (didn’t lose prize money, USATF didn’t reprimand her in that way)
The probation was meant to silence her at Olympics (went Aug 19-Aug20)
30:24 What Rule50 says
31-link Gwens letter
IOC has to protect sponsors and partners, who don’t want negative or political stance to disrupt games
Want mostly joyful moments
“Its actually creating a halo effect over everything an athlete has gone through to get to this moment”
“No ones saying the rules shouldn’t be the rules, we’re just saying don’t reprimand the athletes then celebrate them, put them in a hall of fame, put them in museums all around the world, and oh these are our heroes of our decade, put them on the website-don’t do that”
33-why protest is important and why athletes shouldn’t be muted
35: the hypocrisy (link Sarah Hirschland tweet)
And the apology
37- Gwen was protesting the day of the tweet, there was outcry at the hypocrisy.
Max Siegel at USTAF facilitated the call, Sarah apologized, Gwen stressed that this is BIGGER than her. It’s about a culture, Black Americans, Gwen’s family and friends, the black athletes that will come along after her.
“What I did was not wrong”
40:After the medal at Pan Ams: Gwen was that night called into a meeting w USATF and PanAm committee
Bc she signed ATHLETES CONTRACT (copy link) she could face repercussions
USATF stood with her and Pan Am committee supported her
When Gwen got home, USOPC said there will be a letter saying she has a 12 month probation , with no feedback from her on why she needed to protest
41:50-Gwen lost grant opportunities and sponsorship dollars
42:30 USOPC working group athletes put together: Gwen has to train first and focus on making team and podium. Other athletes are backing her up and doing the work on the group
IOC dug in heels recently on the no protest (link their announcement)
43:38-the town halls
44:30- would athlete stories move the IOC? USA isn’t the only country-IOC being neutral is easier and they focus on the dollars
47-racism is a global phenomenon, America has a deep rooted history with it but globally, “darker is less than”
Why rule 50 is out of touch with the realities of
Note: We recorded this prior to the murder of George Floyd. We don't mention his murder in the show, and actually worried that the attention on race issues in running (and America in general) brought by Ahmaud's murder would start to fade too soon. As you can see, this is an even more essential discussion now.
Check out the website for the rest of the show notes!
Alison’s Bio:
Alison holds her BA in History, MA in Latin American and Caribbean Regional Studies, and EdM in Counseling Psychology, all from Columbia University. She is a Mom, activist (Harlem RunRunforAllWomenGlobalWoman RunCollective) Endurance athlete, mental health counselor, author, and speaker.
Catchup:
0-6 news with us -Alysia is getting somewhat back to her regular schedule/self, Molly’s heading back to RI, Ro’s Dare To Believe is on TV in Ireland
7-Alison Desir our guest and introducing Race and Running
11-Alysia reads @TheConsciousKid educational post on White Privilege (bc instagram was taking it’s content down!)
15-Why it’s important to not be afraid of being uncomfortable or awkward with these conversations (note: but do at least some work/reading on your part first! Care enough to do your own research, it's step 1)
18- Alysia’s personal experience with racism and having to worry about white people’s discomfort
21-How early experiences with racism have shaped how Alysia approaches the topic with her white friends
26- Alysia calling out all the Running media publications to do more
Resources:
Books- White Fragility
me and white supremacy
Instagrams :
@Theconsciouskid
@rachel.cargle
Alison on instagram and Twitter
Website
Her programs:
Harlem Run
RunforAllWomen
GlobalWoman RunCollective-encouraging more women leaders in running
Her recent articles:
Flotrack: on Race and Running
Outside Magazine article: Ahmaud Arbery and Whiteness in the Running World
Her Virtual Tour (see end of page)
How she got started: 8 years ago was struggling with depression and saw someone training for a marathon, inspired her to start running and it helped get her through it
3:00 Running While Black:
-She became a mom 10 months ago and this perspective, as well as her own as a black woman and distance runner, compelled her to speak out, connected to Ahmaud Arbery murder in an even more personal way
(contd. at our site!)
Molly Seidel
Our catchup:Alysia launches &mother!
(fact check: here is the article on Alex Morgan sponsored while pregnant story:
Head to EricaSara designs for &mother jewelry and check out our tank tops out on march 29 to support &mother!
Interview:Where Molly is during the quarantine: back home in wisconsin
How hard the isolation is if you live alone
4-Barrista life: She is a Pro Runner first, and barrista on the side
Why she does it: balances her life
10-15 diving into the trials race: what she felt before during and after . going from first marathon to first Olympic Team
15-how her attitude of low expectation and having fun/being present buffered negative emotions, the atmosphere being exciting and having a big support crew
17-working with Aliphine in last 6 miles, how she looks up to her advice of doing the training that works for her and not comparing to others
20-her injury history the last 2 years was really hard. Bone density issues from eating disorder affected her first 2 years as a pro
Had to find out who she was if she didn’t have running
23-her buildup to the trials, changed training back towards what worked in college (more moderate workouts and higher mileage), focus on overall health
26-letting her goals unfold rather than pushing through injuries and unhealthy stages to hit goals
Outcome goals vs process goals-it’s where joy is. How she did not enjoy her college success because she wasn’t healthy
“Frankly my last two NCAA championships, like there was no joy in those. I was mentally unwell”
31-Molly’s lessons from college (link to Julias Hanlon's Running on Om podcast ep 225)
*footlocker stat: Thanks for the research Sara Slattery!
" The race has been run since 1979 and there have been 41 Champions on the men’s side, 12 have become NCAA Champions and 7 of them have made Olympic teams. Yet on the Women’s side there have been 4 NCAA Champions, and only 1 Olympian (Now 2 Olympians as of February 29, 2020 with Molly Siedel making the marathon team, despite overcoming some of these issues herself).”
Why aren’t our best female jr athletes becoming our best sr athletes?
Many girls fall through the cracks for reasons to do with female athlete body, mental health, womanhood etc
36-How Molly made it through this-good support system, not everyone has this
“(That running is a small part of who you are as a person) I think that’s really important to someone in a vulnerable state or for kids to hear; you are more than this sport you’re doing.
40-Sponsor support: Saucony is unique in their support of the whole athlete in this industry-gave Molly a chance, a smaller deal than she normally would have earned but with time and understanding for her to heal and develop
45-how covid is affecting her career and future Olympic berth
49-what her training is like now during the quarantine and what races are in her future
53- Molly’s story
-it takes hard work and time to make an Olympic team
-you never fully get over an eating disorder, it’s a lot of checking in, adjusting and awareness to stay on healthy path
0-9: Molly and Ro Catchup:
Join Ro's Mother's Day Insta Contest @ believetrainingjournal !
Buy Alysia's book Feel Good Fitness!
Check out Strides Forward Podcast by Cherie Louise Turner!
10-Holly -intro as a sociologist-they “zoom out” to see interactions of socio cultural pressures, broader ideas around for example beauty femininity and success. She looks at individuals, the culture around them and broader social forces.
“I put these pressures on myself” is often untrue. Like a fish can’t see water, we often have trouble seeing the forces that act on our own psyches/ realizing what we internalize
-Dr. Thorpe aims to advocate more sustainable sporting culture for long term health and well being over immediate performance
“These are not just individual athlete problems, these are problems within sporting cultures “
16-sociology is one part of a complex puzzle (in endurance sports issues)
17-Dr Stacy Simms TED talk and book
19-on using research to show this (LEA, RED-S) isn’t a unique, individual’s problem/weakness- it’s a larger more common issue
- prevalence of non-extreme versions toxic sports culture
24-why the LEA/RED-S is more prevalent in womens endurance sports (among a few other sports like sports with aesthetic performance)-It’s complicated
27-reinforcement of energy restrictive behavior in sport, and how hyper “in touchness” with how your body feels being integral to being an elite athlete may contribute to issues
-elites persist longer with LEA than regular gym goers, though both were at risk of initial deficiency. Why? Often rewarded for it
32-resistance to changing how we think about weight’s relationship to performance
“What can we achieve with healthy female athletes!?”
37- goal of changing messaging to menstruating=performance advantage. It means you’re healthy
42-reaching young demographics with this messaging-local examples and peer to peer conversations/ peer lead discussion times are helpful. Athletes who are in the midst of a recovery -those stories are powerful as well
49- Kim Smith: healthy fueling role model
53-There are even digital expectations and pressures for athletes-social media etc
54-Is this a first world only problem? Leaders in endurance running come from East Africa, is RED-S/LEA a problem there? If so, is it for same reasons? Different cultures exist in and across countries/socio economic status , more research needed
56-Gender and RED-S: is the prevalence due to the way girls socialize things, even food and hunger? Beauty? Etc59-katie Schofield research- Men underfueling as well due to ideas on weight and performance in mens sport. Stigma of LEA may be worse for them
62-female athletes in the media: expectations on looks.
It is improving : due to more female journalists and female athletes taking media into their own hands (instagram, podcasts, etc)
Resources:Healthy Women in Sport a Performance Advantage WHISPA
72- The power in the athlete’s non sporting, human side. Their own authentic voices can be very impactful (more of Dr. Thorpes research and articles are linked on our website)
Sally intro and update on her situation staying in Kenya more, Coronavirus effects in Kenya, her home on the farm w fam Kevin and Emma
Trains solo , has help at home
16-Motherhood and training , a lot of struggles in the 2 years post baby
“ I will always be a mother before I’m an athlete, always”
Lots of illness and body not cooperating
21-training while pregnant: USA vs Kenya
24-Sally’s struggles to train while pregnant, didn’t run but walked after 17 weeks pregnancy
25-how to deal with not running when it’s such a big part of identity
“There were times where I felt like I was kind of losing the battle in that (running thru pregnancy) aspect,because my fellow athletes where doing so well and they were managing it. I think i didn’t prepare myself enough for if i couldn’t run”
“The public eye is showing these women who are soing really well and thats fantastic i think thats a great think, but Theres a risk that comes with that, because if cant achieve that you almost feel like your preg or your journey is not as important...i just want to say it’s as important, that stage in your life is a wonderful stage, it should be celebrated weather you can run go to the gym 7 da week until you deliver or if you can’t move 2 feet until you deliver”
30- Sally racing NYC marathon a few weeks pregnant
35-When Sally decided to fit motherhood into her career
Society’s (Kenya for ex) pressures on women vs own decisions to have family
43-Sally’s school she helped build in Kenya, and on being a woman in a male dominated culture: education is such an important equalizer
49-Sally’s role models and being enlightened by seeing USA, motivated by how important education is
54-Sally’s sisters, married and had children young, ages 16 and 17
(not going to highschool limits education, but also limited chance to participate in sports, they probably had similar great talent)
58-Is Sally famous in Kenya?!
Why She’s “Mamma-Emma”
1:01-Kenyan running community, from doping to popularity and celebrity
“Running is huge in kenya, it’s like being in the NFL in the US”
“The younger generation, they think to run well you must dope”
And there are issues in USA too: She makes a point to distinguish herself from Oregon Project in Portland (she is Oregon Track Club w Mark Rowland in Eugene)
Needing to cultivate a culture of hard work rather than win at all cost in Kenya
“If we have enough role models that are doing good, and for the young people to realize you can be good without ever cheating- I think that’s the greatest thing we can do as athletes. And I think we need to go back to really redefining what greatness is… you don’t have to be 1 to be great, just do your best and give 100%, and value that in our kids…”
1:14- What part of Sally’s story she wants to shed more light on:
That the mother, athlete and family member she is are all entwined. (great athletes aren’t robots-they’re whole people!)
“ The mother (in me) is so much linked to the wife and so much linked to the athlete. The qualities that I try it to accomplish as an athlete are almost the same qualities that I’m trying to accomplish and trying to master and trying to learn as a mom and as a wife, like for example ...if im trying to be a good mom im trying to be diligent i'm trying to be disciplined im trying to be considerate,im trying to be forgiving, im trying to be patient i want to be loving. I want to be disciplined , I want to be diligent, I want to be faithful to my running.”
Ro-Sally “knows how she wants to show up in the world”
what’s next for Sally and how to follow her
Welcome to episode 16 -This is a special episode of Keeping Track, We are highlighting Female Coaches in the NCAA D1 Track and Cross Country world. We’ve actually been working on this episode since we started the Podcast back in October, it was one of the first ideas I had, but it was perhaps biting off more than I could chew in the editing department so it took a while! (please forgive the occasional shaky sound quality and choppiness). We pieced together parts of different interviews that we’ve collected the last few months, so let us know what you think of this different format. In this episode we talked to 5 women who are head coaches or Directors of programs at NCAA D1 schools. We hear from April Thomas, the associate head coach and throws coach at Mississippi State ,Julie Culley, the director of the track program at Georgetown, Amy Rudolph, associate head coach of women’s XC and assistant track coach at Iowa State, Sara Slattery who is head Cross Country Coach at Grand Canyon University in PHX , and Diljeet Taylor the associate director of cross country and track and field at BYU. We asked these women about their start in the profession, the challenges women face in progressing in the coaching field, who their mentors and supporters are, how they grew into successful coaches and why they find the career so rewarding. We hope you enjoy hearing these women all contribute their voices and experiences to this episode! Thanks for Keeping Track!
0-3: the stats: As of 2017:
Women are 43% of women’s sports head coaches in NCAA
Women are 23% of head coaches across all sports in NCAA
Only 12-18% of track and XC head coaches are women
Pre title 9 (1978),( before you could make money as a women’s coach) 90 % of women's team coaches were women
4- examining reasons for the imbalance:
Lack of role models? System bias? Child care and pregnancy?
We tell you why it’s a real job for women
5: who we talk to-(link to profiles)
Amy Rudolph of Iowa State,
Julie Culley director of program at georgetown
Sara Slattery head distance coach at GCU
Diljeet Taylor of BYU
April Thomas throws coach and ssoc head coach at Mississippi State
(check out our website www.keeping-track.com for more detailed question summary!)
Catch up
0-11 Molly Ro and Alysia update on Pandemic related changes in Bay Area CA, Scottsdale AZ, PVD RI
Ro’s healthy mind platter chartlink**14-olympic postponement
21-Introducing our two Guests Lauren Philbrook and Rachel Hyland
25-check our insta for t-shirt winners!
Interview!**
Lauren - still has 3.5 more weeks until baby-with Pandemic, now is an uncertain and anxious time to be pregnant
Rachel- due june 1, more uncertainty now, Dr. appointments are pushed back, done virtual etc
4-decision to run the trials pregnant (the women were 27 weeks and 33 weeks along) and how much they were running in third trimester
7-what they represented out on the trials course:
Link Rachels blog
Priorities shift with family but you can still have goals, her goal was adjusted but still held on to it
Rachel: “I was one of 500 who qualified and we’re all in a different place-I was in the middle of a pregnancy, Lauren was 33 weeks, someone else may have had a miscarriage, you just never know. Everyone was on their own little journey and I was just part of that.”
12-Lauren: “I was actually a little bit worried that maybe some people would think I wasn’t taking this very serious event very seriously so that was probably my biggest hesitation about running in it, and then having the support from Rachel and then my husband and my friends here were like “no….” you qualified there is no reason why you can’t go run too “.
“How supportive and encouraging everyone was to us, I was just blown away, I’ll never forget that feeling”
13-Rachel was 4th in 2018 Boston Marathon
15-Rachel: “Staying connected to the running community while I’ve been pregnant has been super important, so I think that’s another thing maybe I was, another reason that got me to the start line was being connected, cus I really needed that-I needed my running community this year in particular, even if I might have been running slower-but you don’t have to remove yourself from the competitive running community just cus you’re pregnant”
16-Olympic postponement effects on these ladies-how it affects family planning
18-Rachel and Lauren have other careers and balance running and family
23- Loosening your grip on perfection as an athlete who is used to chasing excellence-how those high expectations shift when you have family, work, and sport performance
27- Rachel and Lauren’s story
(link Runnersworld and WR story)Lauren-looks to women who are working, running at a high level and have families. It’s personally inspiring
Rachel-Also looks to for ex to teachers pursuing another passion aside from teaching-running is similar
(link salty womens running pregnant training logs)
33-lauren: “One thing i really like that Stephanie said...I’m not saying you have to run a marathon too just because I did , you can do whatever feels most comfortable to you….do what feels right to you, it doesn’t have to be a marathon, you can run if you like to and what’s comfortable, I feel like that’s what’s... appreciated”
34:30 What it means to have each other during this time of their lives: they inspire each other to run post collegiately, and share first pregnancy experience
Catchup
Alysia catches us up on having baby number 3
3-baby blues hit, Alysia talks new parent struggles and ppd/blues and Social Distancing struggles
6:45-Molly catchup on trials and uncertainty as races are cancelled
9:30-Alysia has finished her book Feelgood Fitness-preorder available on
11:40-inspiration for the fitness book-accessibility for all abilities, inspired by her 67 year old Mom (and Astor says hi!)
13:45-Ro’s news!
Ali T!
14:45- intro Aliphine, Marathon Olympic Trials champ and 10 time USA champion
16:45-uncertainty amidst Corona Virus cancellations and quarantines
19:45-Corona Virus in Kenya
21:30-Growing Up in Posoy, West Pokot , Kenya
20:45-Being of two worlds-Kenya and America
“ without growing up in kenya I don’t know that I would be the person that I am today, without the experiences of experiencing a hard life, and I think that hard life that I had earlier made me appreciate the things that I do have today...I’m a very proud Kenyan-American.”
42-How do we feel about changing allegiance?
44-How Aliphine grew to want to compete for and live in USA
47-Nationality as an identity in the melting pot of America
49- Aliphine speaks on being between countries, common immigrant experience: you have roots in the new country so to leave it would be hard, and returning is strange when the old country has changed since you were there.
50-being a woman in Kenyan culture
“If you got married you became part of a property of a man and his family...back then a woman didn’t have anything, like a woman doesn’t own anything, but then for me now I have the freedom of being able to get myself something,like when I bought my first house here it made me very happy because I came here with 100 dollars…. And having something that is mine that no one is gonna claim, that right there is independence that I don’t know if I had not ran or came to america I don't know if i would have had that independence. This is something that really makes me appreciate where I am and the opportunities that I have...I want to take that message to those little girls and tell them you can be indepent too...they don’t have a vision of being independent and I want them to know that they have a chance that they can do that”
59-system of spouses controlling athletes contributing to doping in Kenya
60:30-CoronaVirus again-how Aliphine is staying positive
1:03-AliT Resiliency Beanies -she has an employee now! Business has expanded
1:04-Aliphine’s string of injuries in 2018/2019 and how she dealt with them
Ali T resilience Hats on etsy
Aliphines story:
“So much of my identity is running but I am more than a runner, I’m someone who...whenever I can, likes to interact with my community and offer support. I want people to relate with me first as a human being, as a person who loves crocheting, who loves gardening, who grew up from a big family, who grew up from a lot of challenges.”
13-Marielles start in the sport-grew up in NJ, tried a lot of different sports and track events
14-why isn’t distance running as popular in black American culture? Not as much visibility of African American distance runners, but African distance runners are very visible
17:30-Influences in her track career-AAU very diverse and Derek Thompson HS coach (currently coaches world class 800 women Ajee Wilson, Raevyn Rogers, etc)
19:30-Why in the USA is there a separation in races amongst events?
Who Marielle looked to as a youngster: Venus, Serena, Tiger Woods
Representation is so important, even apart from race
Understanding training
Lack of representation in media (ex Runner’s World Covers?) , Don’t know where to run in neighborhoods?
26:30-consumers are aware and responsive to these issues-and there are new platforms popping up which are a good thing
29:00 Any Marathon ambitions??
31-What’s it like being a part of the excellence of the Bowerman Group?
34-Navigating training with the best without overdoing it: finding the line. Not competing with each other on a daily basis is key “work on being in control and confident and smooth”
38: What is Marielle’s story? “There’s some people that get the opportunity to tell their story 100 times other people only get it 5 times...to continue to tell my story, get it closer to 100, be myself around different types of people as much as possible and hopefully it resonates with someone...that’s why I love sports in general so much....I’m attached to the players and the people and their families. That’s what I tune into games for. I’m somehow connected to this person because I saw an interview or read an article.
39-what will Marielle’s second and third acts be? What else is she interested in?
Storytelling (tv, podcasts, and creative ways), music
Marielle’s playlist
Follow marielle at jacksonville 15k and
Online at @Mariellehalll
Ro and Alysia chat with Ayesha McGowan , first African American Professional Cyclist about her journey, her advocacy for people of color in Cycling and how she created space for herself in this sport as well as celebrating the differences in the cycling world. Molly is off werkin out.
6- Ayesha’s Background: how she got into sports and cycling-into track, field hockey and basketball
Went to school in Central New Jersey-Piscataway
9- Ayesha’s mission to diversify road cycling. She recently became Pro w contract w Liv (she is Category II).
Also fighting for representation in the cycling industry
espn article
14-womens cycling is being restructured-Women still only just now mandated to be paid at top level of cycling!
She is not on team as it may limit her autonomy/ability to do advocacy work
17- Ayesha’s influence in making space in the world as a black woman : Serena Williams, Kittie Knox
21- her piece on people for bikes
24-Cycling has such diverse participants: performance based cyclists, commuters, recreational cyclists. There feels to be judgement between groups.
25:
“I think the hardest thing about my work is trying to encourage people to learn how to celebrate differences instead of using them as tools for division and judgement and negativity. ...I don’t want you to not see that I’m a black woman. ….I want you to embrace that I’m a black woman and understand how that’s a good thing for this community and understand how that can be an asset to pushing the sport forward and growing cycling. But instead it becomes a negative thing. I feel like that’s how humans have learned to look at differences in general...I feel like cycling is this micro version of the world because you have people from all over...doctors and delivery workers...the range is massive...people from all different cultures and colors and whatever and so it’s a big reflection of the world and it feels like a huge opportunity to teach some of these larger points that extend beyond cycling but use cycling as that commonality”
28-barriers Ayesha has faced-understanding the confusing structure herself ,ignorance of others in regards to her humanity, explaining diversity, getting into a community’s bubble, angry people , people who are upset to be told they’re doing things wrong
31-Double Consciousness, W.E.B Dubois
“How much of myself can I be?”
35- Ayesha-wants to create more opportunities for other people this year
Follow these accounts!
- @Allmountainbrothers
- @pedal2thepeople
Ayesha doesn’t just want a black person to be used as an inclusivity project -she wants to show the diverse people who already come to the sport/ to show the people who are doing their thing already. She doesn’t want to be THE diversity. She wants a broader representation of black people.
Where to find Ayesha: blog www.aquickbrownfox.com
Podcast - Quick Brown Fox
instagram/twitter- @Ayesuppose<
Link-dawns 2008 Oly Gold, and 2012 silver and most recent 2017 world champs silver
0-10 Ro and Alysia catch up on Alysia’s commentating job from Boston Indoor Games!
10-15 Dawn’s background and dreams for being mother and Olympic champ, the decision to wait to have a baby until she was done running in 2018 and coming OUT OF RETIREMENT for 2020!
16:50-coming back from pregnancy -practice 6 weeks post baby was frustrating “that felt terrible to not be able to do something (a start off the line) that I feel like is just rolling out of bed”
Felt rushed , but body has own timeline.
23: link to the Tea on Players Tribune (via Facebook)
We talk about the WNBA Collective bargaining agreement
“The world recognized that this was a big deal” and deserved a news cycle not just small print
What would be our issues in Collective Bargaining in track? Maternity, contract minimum?
29: Perspectives on race and marketing: on seeking appropriate media attention and sponsorship opportunities for her achievements.
The unexpected olympic gold in 2008-came from no contract, borrowed shoes , worked 3 jobs and shared a house with others
“When I get to the line I’m not thinking of my hair style, my skin , my build, I’m thinking when I get to the line can I beat these other women”
33 describing post gold feelings-so happy
Vs Interview experience: so much focus on LoLo who was the favorite to win not medaling-it didn’t follow the media script and there was some backlash because LoLo was a media darling
and Dawn was relatively unknown.
She understood it took time for public to adjust to her win
37: Marketability for female athletes come with unique challenges : ex- black female athletes-hair is a big deal, takes time and money to look good on tv
39- on being called “jealous, dark, black and ugly, mad because LoLo got the spotlight”-upsetting, because she didn’t want fame she wanted to realize her full potential
“Thar Narrative carried on for years” “I felt lost”
42: How comments on her braids made her feel ugly and regret a style she likes ”I felt like the world was telling me I was ugly”
44-2012 olympics-so happy to medal again. She was more well known and ready again to battle Sally Pearson-PR’d,broke former Oly Record w Sally, came second by a fraction
46 : 2012 reactions: social media- people call her “angry, black b--, kill yourself”
The TV interview was centered around Lolo’s loss again
49: Remembering back to 2008, room mate was devastated by loss while she was so happy to win, showed her to be sensitive and respectful to her competitors-why it’s so upsetting that she was portrayed as bitter regarding Lolo’s loss
51: Kelly Wells purple hair was called too “ghetto” and unamerican by internet trolls
52: ”there was a time for four solid years, olympics to olympics, where I was fending for myself and had to somehow find my own confidence and say no matter what the world is telling me I know that when I line up its a blessing to wear these 3 letters on my chest and every time I line up im just going to do my best”
53: The medals didn’t have the sponsorship power she expected-she felt her team didn’t push back at the narrative of “the market is down, no one is asking for you” and “you’re not the look”
59: she felt lonely and unsupported in her issue. She felt like she didn’t have value for what she’d done,
62:2020-looking for sponsors but going for the dream anyway “you’ve been here before and you can do it again”
65: outside influences matter (media and social media trolls etc), I
Ro, Molly and Alysia Catch up after the Holiday break and discus the place of female athletes in fans' and media's yearly and decade rankings, and talk about discovering our voices for 2020. We have a great resource episode where ReCORE creator Celeste Goodson talks about the inner core rebuilding that is essential for post partum return to running and sports.
0-10: catch up
Links: Ro’s journals and code keepingtrack2020
10-on Shalane’s retirement: the emotions, the decisions, the difficult parts and the shifting of passion from her running to fostering other athlete’s successes, family and other projects
3-How transition from runner to coach affects her support team
7- the transition to Shalane’s post-running life was always in the back of her mind, part of why it has gone smoothly
8-emotions at the end of running career: sadness, relief, happiness
10-relating to the Lindsey Vonn documentary the Final Season and the book The Second Mountain by David Brooks
12-retirement isn’t easy stage for athletes
Shalanes double knee surgeries
19-Shalane on wanting it all: coaching, and family, looking to adopt
Link to shalanes journal, third cook book coming out, linkto other two Run Fast Eat Slow, Run Fast Cook Fast Eat Slow
21- Motivation for Elyse and Shalane’s cook books: to help educate athletes on good fuel and combat eating disorders in sports
23-Shalane learning to fuel her body throughout career- not always perfect
27- Hows could/could a coach speak to an athlete about nutrition and weight?
31-Bowerman Babes bond by cooking together
33- Shalane’s feelings on the negative aspects vs positive experiences at Nike: it’s uncomfortable, the positive impact of Bowerman in the Portland community, lessons she has learned from being adjacent to the story of Mary Cain
40: Shlane: advocate for yourself and be aggressive in going for your dreams”
43- How Shalane learned to be confident and aggressive in going for things she wants-operating on a pace of no regrets
“To not be afraid of advocating for yourself, if you think you’re going to be good at something and for taking that leap of faith to just push people to accept your vision and your goal….I felt like it was a much needed role and I created it for myself”
“I encourage people to be agressive about things that you want”
“ My athletic career has allowed me to continually believe in myself more and more. Its not that i dont have moments of doubt, but athleteics has propelled me to have these moments of ‘why not me’”
0-5Obsie talks about having balance with running work and school-how she thrives
5: Obsie talks about her upbringing in Ethiopia, and her other great coaching influences from HS and college in Iowa and Coach Kurt at NeD
9:30 Obsie talks about Ethiopian Running culture
10:40- Running helped Obsie make friends when she came to America, and she didn’t focus on it as an elite sport
11:30-Obsie’s first marathon -in college! She set the NAIA record 2:45 In 2012 at Grandview, where she ran everything from 4x800 to 26.2 in that week
15-How Obsie worked with her competitor to PR in CIM this year
Her strategies for managing herself in the race
17:30-edit out the freeze please
18;00-East African running culture
20: Nice is not a weakness: “When you lift eachother up that’s when I feel the most comfort and benefits you, benefits them. What’s meant for me will be mine...there’s enough room for everyone...I know its a competition but I know when to turn that on and when to turn that off”
21-Obsie surrounds herself with real and good people-she is grateful for the mentors in her life: Janet Bawcom, Dianne Nukuri, her HS coach, her post college coach Kurt, and her teachers in Ethiopia
On coaching middle school kids in her NeD days; “coaching those kids, I find it inspiring, I think as an adult you lose that part of you sometimes that gets so excited about the sport and ...as adults we are so fearful that x-y-z will happen. Those kids I lay out hurdles in front of them and some of those kids have never seen it and they’re like “im gonna do it!....they have no fear”
25- Obsie is grateful for her coaches’ efforts and it inspires her in the race
26-Obsie’s workouts! -we thought she did 5X5 mile, but i think it is 5X mile :)
She loves mileage!
30-Obsie learns to fit in training, rest, sleep and diet better now than she used to
32-Ethiopian culture and attitude on food and diet
36-Obsie is not sponsored and mostly trains solo
39-what’s next? Trials are on the calendar!
“Running for me is the way I feel the most confident,it’s when I feel like I’m open to people, so it’s like a language. It’s like a smile is a universal language and running is the same because whether you run slow,.....people run at different levels but we’re all in it together. All those marathoners still out there on the course, were all on the same journey. I love that.
“It’s really opened up my world and my mind and what I can do with other things. It motivates me to be better:to be a better advisor, a better student.”
Link to Obsie’s Saucony commercial
Link to NeDistance
In today’s episode we talk to 2:23 marathoner, two time Team USA 10,000m runner and fellow Ray Treacy coached athlete Emily Sisson. We talk about how she finds the right frame of mind amidst pre-race hype and managing race day anxieties. We talk about her marathon debut and how it could have gotten derailed, transitioning from a world class jr athlete to a world class sr athlete and embracing her strong looking body.
London Marathon -Emily’s debut
Emily’s Half Marathon PR
Emily Sisson Providence College
Emily Sisson Jr career
0-7 We catch up on the Thanksgiving Holiday, announce our Live Podcast Plans- and Ro offers her Holiday deal on the Believe Training Journal BelieveIAm.com 20% off with code “keepingtrack2020”
7-12 Emily talking about not getting overwhelmed by hype at start of Olympic Trials Buildup , her strategies for quieting distractions and reducing anxiety
Ro: “Be the eye of the storm”
14-pre race boundaries: balancing media and solitude
17 -Finding your IZOF, holding on to valuable energy as an introvert, getting the process right
21-Dealing with Pre-race anxiety-her tools
“Once the gun goes I find that’s when all the worries go away”
24-threats to joys of racing: anxiety, performance clauses,
27- on Emily being suited to the Marathon
How she handles the beast of tempos and long runs
29- reading your body during the race: Emily’s half marathon in Houston and marathon debut in London
35- London Marathon- funny story, how Emily didn’t take herself out of the race even when things were going awry
“shit just happens!”
: on navigating transition from a phenom jr to a world class sr athlete
39- embracing her physical strength after being told “you don’t look like a runner”
43- what part of Emily’s story she’d like told:
Everyone has their own challenges
45: Emily says nice things about Molly lol
46-shout out to @thegoldenlifeofdes Emily’s fave books:
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0-9:00 discussion w Ro Molly and Alysia about REDS and Conference Ro went to with Endocrinologist Kathryn Ackerman MD MPH
Meet-our-team
See our website www.keeping-track.com for slides from the conference
9-Tianna introduces herself-resume is lit!
11:30-Tianna’s beginnings in track
13:30-Tianna’s approach of show up every day, and how she earned a car and a scholarship in Highschool
16:00-Tianna’s decade between medals, how she stayed motivated
Track is a vehicle for other things
18:00-”physics doesn’t give a F”*
20:00-in 2005, Tianna was surprised to win and not ready to handle the weight of a world championship as a college sophomore
24:00-advice to young athletes, why she likes “The Alchemist”
(link to her e-books and courses )
25:00-”i was chasing a ghost”, disappointment in 2006 world indoor , not medaling after winning gold months earlier, the expectations were so heavy
29:00-importance of showing the journey not just the arrival
(link to tiannabee.com)
31:00-existential crisis in the life of an athlete-being enough but wanting more from the sport, how she had to address her mental health
Buddhism and yoga are her strategies
33-Tianna’s experience in an abusive relationship
(share her poster, and another other resource for abuse victims)
Link to book Tianna for her talk “performance Fuel”
38-Tianna calls out powerful coaches for being more responsible with the way they handle athletes , who are trusting them with life changing decisions that go beyond sport
41- How Tianna left her relationship and the risk and fears involved
45:-How Tianna was competing ok but mentally unhealthy years ago, and is now in a good place mentally but is waiting for her performance to catch up. Seeing self as a whole person, committing to the next Olympic cycle, proving self she can do it healthy
46-Tianna’s resources and advice to abuse victims
(share the signs of abuse poster on www.keeping-track.com , and her blog for abuse victims)
49-What Tianna would like better told, advice to listeners:
“I want to give athletes permission to be the whole mess that we are sometimes, and to take all of that with you to the track and to..work those demons out there on the oval. You don’t have to hide anything and you can be you and you dont have you win every time- and odds are you'll lose way more than you win.... “
“....If its a bad time right now its temporary and if its a good time right now, its temporary, so keep moving”
0-21:00-Emma discuses the recent IAAF decision to remove events from the Diamond League https://www.athleticsweekly.com/athletics-news/triple-jump-and-200m-cut-from-2020-diamond-league-1039926366/
USATF Annual Meeting: https://www.usatf.org/events/2019/usatf-annual-meeting-2019
Christian Taylor and the Athletics Association https://www.athleticsweekly.com/athletics-news/christian-taylor-launches-new-athletics-association-1039926414/
21:00- Emma runs through Doha Silver medal run and great 2019 season(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrMSolINtU)
24:00-We talk about her team, the Boss Ladies spend a lot of QT together
**25:30 -structure of a typical season and break
28:00-dynamics of the Boss Ladies-how they work so well together**
**30:00 Coach Joe Bossard and the making of their team
34:00-Aisha! and their team VIBE-Let's get better together**
38:00 Why “It’s just running, babe”
41:00 How Joe helped Emma get over race anxiety when she was younger****
42:30 How Emma learned to stay healthy for the big races and consistently good every season
46:00 Social Media: How Emma handles it with confidence and surrounds herself with things that give her joy/support/happiness
50:00 Having a healthy balance of fun and being a dedicated athlete
ex.) not seeing certain foods as “good” or “bad”
55:00 Being a role model
56:00 And we learn who some of Emma’s role models are (we know some of them! :) )
60: Emma’s Elk Run and her werkout gear! (https://www.elkrun5k.com/)
Shout outs to Crested Butte, Colorado: Emma’s hometown
1:06 Emma’s story: she’s an open book! Surround yourself with joy and support
Follow her at @emmajcoburn on twitter and @emmacoburn on instagram facebook Emmacoburnsteeples
0-4:00-intro
4:00-Lindsay is a journalist, competitive athlete and news reader and saw a disconnect with the fact that she had little interest in the sports section
7:00 Lindsay discusses her op-eds, which are mostly side projects for her, in which she chose topics she was interested in as a female runner and journalist (such as the psychology behind an athlete’s unique situation). She was not sure many other people would resonate with them and is surprised at how wide the reach has been
9:00-What goes into making a video op-ed,discussing how they came up with Dream Maternity Op- Ed’s style
11:00- Alysia: Lindsay helped her validate her issues with Maternity support , similarly her journalism validated that eating disorders are a problem in many women’s sports with Mary Cain’s story
-Dream Maternity athletes-maternity-leave.html
-Mary Cain nike-running-mary-cain.html
13:00- the stories have resonated with many -why? Validating, mitigating fear and isolation, and lending perspective and frame of reference around problem-issues that were once normalized
19: Why the focus on weight over the other more impactful variables of reaching peak fitness?
-This topic becomes a common women’s issue due to unique female physiology
26:00-The shadow cast by a win at all cost mentality
-Lindsay goes into more detail on the production and genesis of Mary Cain Op Ed
- Growing a voice outside the sport could help grow the following of athletes and their sport as a whole
32:00-Does culture at Nike need to change?
40:00- Lindsay talks about her own running and a time when she was under fueling
45:00-The misconception of an overly “clean” and “light “ diet being ideal and a virtue when it is in truth not providing enough energy for you to recover from and build upon your training load
- Misconception that fitness follows weight loss
(not mentioned but scientist Trent Stellingwerff explains this better than I can here! https://twitter.com/tstellingwerff/status/1193320543207845888?s=12 )
49:00 What story would Lindsay like better told: broader themes, questioning current norms: who made them and what are they for, we can have higher ethical standards than “legal or illegal”
0-5: Ro Molly and Alysia catch up 5:30 Nia introduces herself as the new World Champion from Doha and a Mom
(Watch the race !)
5:50 Nia talks being a Mom of 2, the comeback and compartmentalizing on the track
9:00 A day in the life of Nia
11:30 Andre De Grasse-balancing being the best as athletes/partners/parents
17:00 bringing kids and family to team camps
23: obstacles on Nia’s postpartum comebacks
25: Training and RACING while pregnant-contracts etc
-How much perception has changed in the 4 years between baby 1(Titus) and 2(Yuri)
27-contract q
32-Nia benefits from being more vocal about 2nd pregnancy with sponsor, but raced for first 5 months of pregnancy to keep contract
35: how Nia found the hurdles -(was XC/3000/1500 as a youth athlete-4:43 1500 at age 11!)
38: what part of Nia’s story is untold?-that everyone and every woman has a different journey with her own struggles
Takes inspiration from others’ stories-even competitors
Successful people have struggles
42-how Nia finds inspiration
44-Being on a team USA that is so talented
46-Nia’s pre-race zone the night before
48: Life as a World Champ
51: getting back into training post baby
57: -follow Nia on instagram @NiaAli and on twitter @itspooda
59-end
1:00 - 5 Molly Post Doha 10k recap
5:00-managing big expectations of medals, records, contract bonuses etc
10:00-Alysia’s recap of the double medal Reallocation ceremony (for 2011 and 2013 world champs 4th to bronze)
17:00-shoutout to Team USA chiropractor Josh Glass
17:30 emotions on medal stand, bonding with Brenda Martinez who also got a medal upgrade due to Savinova bust in 2013
( photo of Brenda and alysia looking at each other on medal stand crying)
23:30-the drug ban served to Alberto Salazar in the midst of the World Championships
How does this affect the sport?
26:30 “Grey area” and how ethical, widespread and necessary is it?
What would we tell young athletes about choosing your path beyond school sports
(Alberto Salazar news article)
42: our fave moments and highlights from the World Championships
49: check out our website and email us with what ya wanna hear and what you think!
0-20 sec: Intro-
20-1:40 Why are Molly Ro and Alysia starting a podcast?
1:45-2 IAAf World Champs are coming in a week!
2:00-3 Alysia is going to Doha for medal reallocation ceremony from 2011/2013
We talk Cleansport!
3:00-Alysia and all the feels of medal reallocation
(link Alysia’s races 2011 and 2013)
watch
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6:45-Ro’s upgrade experience,
How clean athletes feel silent on the matter of racing dopers
11:30 Alysia compares dopers to souped up vehicles
12- 21:00 Ro and Alysia talk how weird/bittersweet it is to get medals so many years later, retired, with families etc
Ro’s backyard awards and Alysia's medal ceremony:
24:00How can IAAF do better by clean athletes who lose to dopers?
31:00 Alysia explains Dream Maternity!
Supporting pro athletes as they become mothers
(link Dream Maternity NYT Lindsay Crouse article and video op ed)
Nike-maternity-leave.html
athletes-maternity-leave.html
42:00Alysia’s experience with competition and maternity
49:00Molly and Doha prep/pre race nerves
54:00send us your thoughts!
Alysia fart noises