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In this solo episode of Listen Then Speak, Jahmaal Marshall takes the national heartbreak surrounding the death of 18-year-old Nolan Well, a young man from Ocean Springs, Mississippi who went missing on the Fourth of July and whose cause of death remains officially undetermined, and uses it to name something most of us are carrying and can't explain: frozen grief.

Frozen grief is what happens when a loss arrives with no ending attached. No answers. No closure. No all-clear. And when the mind can't file a loss as finished, the nervous system stays braced, producing the chronic stress and quiet burnout that so many high-achievers have been mislabeling as a personality flaw.

This is a conversation about grief and the nervous system, the weight of grieving under a media spotlight, and for the parents (and influencers) listening a direct word about what actually keeps our children safe. Not the ethnicity of the people around them. Their character. And it's a word for every family, of every ethnicity.

What You'll Learn in This Episode What frozen grief (ambiguous loss) is, and why unanswered loss won't process * How grief affects the nervous system, and why "the unknown" is what burns you out * Why grief and burnout are the same nervous-system story, not two different problems * How too much media coverage can re-traumatize you, and how to stay informed without being consumed * Why character, not ethnicity*, is what parents (and influencers) should be teaching their kids to read, referencing both Nolan Wells and Shanquella Robinson * How to begin melting a frozen grief without waiting on a closure that may never come

Episode Breakdown1. Cold Open — Grief That Has No EndingJahmaal opens by naming Nolan Wells with dignity and setting the frame for the whole episode: grief was designed to move through you, but grief without answers doesn't move, it freezes. This isn't a true-crime breakdown. It's a look at what happens inside a body, a family, and a community when a loss shows up with no ending attached.

What Frozen Grief Actually IsA plain-language teaching on ambiguous loss (grief without closure) and why the brain literally cannot mark an unresolved loss as "over." When the questions outnumber the answers, you don't get to mourn. You brace. Grief and vigilance run in the same body at the same time.
Why the Unknown Burns You OutThe nervous-system mechanics: how the body's two protective modes (rev up and shut down) run simultaneously in frozen grief, why a system built to survive a threat was never built to stay activated for weeks, and why burnout is what happens when the body never gets an all-clear. Includes a word on how chronic, race-related stress adds an older grief underneath a fresh one.
The Weight of the CoverageHolding two truths at once: public attention can force answers a grieving family deserves - and endless replay of painful details reads to your nervous system as a fresh threat every time. The difference between being informed and being consumed, plus a disciplined way to hold the racial history in the room without letting speculation take over.
A Word to the ParentsJahmaal brings in the death of Shanquella Robinson to disarm the wrong lesson. Nolan died among people who didn't look like him; Shanquella died among people who did. Same skin didn't save her; different skin didn't doom him. The takeaway for every parent, of every ethnicity: teach your children to read character, not skin. Anchored in Scripture - "Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." (1 Samuel 16:7)
This One Is for All of UsFrozen grief doesn't check a box. This closing movement widens the frame to every family inside this story and every listener carrying a loss that never got its ending, landing on a simple truth: weep with those who weep.

Still waiting on a closure that is never coming?

The internal narrative keeping you stagnant, the one that has you over-giving to people who can afford to lose you, replaying the betrayal, priced at a discount in your own mind; that story can be rewritten. But it won't rewrite itself.

That's the root work Jahmaal Marshall does one-on-one (going beneath the surface to the subconscious beliefs and internal narratives running the show), so you stop waiting on closure and start walking in wholeness.

Here's the honest part: this is deep work, and deep work can't be done at scale. Jahmaal keeps his one-on-one coaching roster intentionally small, which means when the spots are full, they're full, and the waitlist waits.

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The people who move on this are the same ones who, six months from now, don't even recognize the version of themselves that was waiting by the phone.

And share this episode with a friend who needs it. You already know who came to mind, the one still stuck, still waiting, still mishandled and calling it love. Send it to them right now. Sometimes the most healing thing you can do is hand someone the words they couldn't find for themselves.

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CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL MARSHALL* Work with Jahmaal (limited 1:1 coaching): HERE! * 12 Weeks of Transformation: HERE! * LinkedIn: Connect and Follow HERE * Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

Listen deeply. Speak boldly. Do the work.

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Your betrayal didn't catch God by surprise, it came to reveal, not to destroy. In this solo episode of Listen Then Speak, executive coach and certified counselor Jahmaal Marshall breaks down what betrayal actually is: not the end of your story, but the moment the mask slips.

If you're still waiting on closure that's never coming, still replaying the conversation, still mishandled and calling it love; this episode is the root work you've been avoiding.

Jahmaal unpacks why when people believe they can afford to lose you, they will mishandle you, how to tell the difference between relationships meant to last and relationships that were only ever lessons, and why character is the great revelation of someone's heart. Then he draws the line most people never connect: how disordered boundaries lead directly to burnout, and the wise, faith-rooted way to guard your heart without walling off the people God is trying to send.

Grounded in the Joseph narrative, Proverbs 4:23, and the subconscious-belief work at the core of the Listen Then Speak method, this is an episode about betrayal, boundaries, burnout, and finally closing the account on the closure you'll never receive.

This episode is for you if:

You're recovering from betrayal, a broken friendship, or the loss of a relationship you thought was permanent
You over-give to people who under-value you and can't figure out why you're exhausted
You're stuck waiting for an apology, explanation, or closure that isn't coming
You keep repeating the same relational patterns and want to do the root work to stop
You lead at a high level but feel emotionally depleted behind the scenes

Press play. Do the work.

CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 — Cold open: the betrayal that broke your heart didn't break God's plan
02:10 — Intro: why the loudest thing in your life is the story you tell yourself
03:25 — It didn't catch God by surprise: Joseph, Judas & sovereignty over betrayal
06:40 — Betrayal is revelation, not destruction (the X-ray principle)
09:30 — When people think they can afford to lose you, they mishandle you
12:45 — Some relationships last, some are lessons — and how to tell the difference
15:10 — Disordered boundaries & the direct road to burnout
18:20 — Wise ways to guard your heart (Proverbs 4:23 & the gate vs. the wall)
21:30 — Closing the account on closure that never comes
23:15 — Strong CTA + share the episode

KEY TAKEAWAYS1. Betrayal is information, not destruction. It doesn't create the fracture, it reveals the one that was already in the bone. 2. People handle you according to the value they assign you. When someone believes your loss is affordable, they mishandle you. 3. Not every relationship was assigned to be permanent. Some are meant to last; some are meant to teach. Stop forcing lessons into life sentences. 4. Character is the reveal: pattern over potential. How someone behaves when honoring you costs them something tells you everything. 5. Disordered boundaries fuel burnout. Over-functioning for people who under-value you is a slow leak that eventually empties you. 6. Closure is a decision, not a gift. You can close the account yourself instead of waiting on a signature that never comes. 7. Guard your heart with a gate, not a wall. Discernment grants access on evidence, not on hope.

Still waiting on a closure that is never coming?

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The people who move on this are the same ones who, six months from now, don't even recognize the version of themselves that was waiting by the phone.

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Brandee Brown has built her life and work around one clear mission: helping people see, own, and magnify the greatness already inside them.

In this episode of Listen Then Speak, Jahmaal sits down with Brandee Brown, founder of Magnify Success, for a conversation about resilience, leadership, loss, purpose, and the power of showing up for others.

With over 30 years of experience in leadership, corporate strategy, and personal development, Brandee brings a deep understanding of what it takes to navigate change, overcome professional obstacles, and lead with integrity. She shares how her two decades at Comcast shaped her approach to professionalism, strategy, follow-through, and people-first leadership.

She also opens up about the harder parts of her story, including childhood pain, personal loss, and the experiences that once made her feel muted.

But this conversation is not just about what Brandee has been through. It is about what she has built from it.

From being labeled a “happen maker” early in her career to creating Magnify Success, Brandee explains how her pain became part of her purpose, why connection is one of her greatest gifts, and how she helps leaders, brands, and communities step into rooms they may not have known were possible.

This is a conversation about resilience, visibility, faith, community, and the kind of leadership that does more than talk.

It makes things happen.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Intro
2:15 - Brandee’s favorite genre of music
4:02 - The care behind Brandee’s work
5:52 - What her Comcast career taught her
9:02 - Why follow-through matters
10:16 - Becoming a “happen maker”
12:20 - The leader who saw something in Brandee before she saw it herself
13:11 - Brandee opens up about her early life
17:10 - How pain became purpose
21:29 - Navigating loss, transition, and leadership as a whole person
26:38 - What Magnify Success is really about
31:46 - Where to connect with Brandee
32:47 - Closing thoughts

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What if the thing that makes your brand work is the part you keep trying to polish out?

I sat down with Brynne Krispin, founder and CEO of Cause Fokus, for a conversation about personal branding, perfectionism, self-trust, burnout, boundaries, and what it really takes to become visible without losing yourself in the process.

Brynne shares how her own life cracking open forced her to rebuild from a place of alignment instead of scarcity, and how that season shaped the way she thinks about visibility, trust, and building a brand that can actually last.

We talked about why people connect with what is real, why your “better way moment” matters, and why sustainable authority is not built by copying templates or chasing vanity metrics.

If you are building a business, stepping into thought leadership, trying to grow a side project, or learning how to show up with more clarity and less fear, this conversation is for you.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Intro
2:09 - Brynne’s favorite music and what it reveals about her work
4:21 - Why perfectionism keeps people from building trust
6:13 - Self-trust, mistakes, and learning as you go
12:51 - Brynne’s story of rebuilding from survival mode
18:11 - Breaking out of scarcity and choosing alignment
21:45 - Finding your “better way moment”
26:51 - Why a strong brand should repel the wrong people
28:23 - How alignment shapes who you attract
31:20 - Why brand work often goes deeper than content
34:12 - Boundaries, health, and building something sustainable
39:23 - How Cause Fokus helps leaders build authority online
41:43 - Episode wrap-up and final thoughts

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Website: https://causefokus.com/

Join Brynne’s 4-week live cohort for introverts, behind-the-scenes experts, and deep thinkers who want to build real influence on LinkedIn thoughtfully.

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Betrayal doesn't just hurt, it destabilizes. It disrupts your sleep, spikes your cortisol, and quietly convinces you that you can't move forward until the person who wronged you finally acknowledges what they did.

But what if the closure you're waiting on was never going to come, and what if that's actually okay?

What sounds like a Sunday school story is actually a masterclass in what happens when betrayal becomes a corridor instead of a dead end.

In this episode:

Why betrayal produces a genuine physiological stress response, and why that matters for high-achievers dealing with burnout
Four things betrayal does in people who refuse to let it be the final word (including one that can't be earned any other way)
The internal narrative that keeps most people stagnant long after the betrayal itself is over
What Joseph's response to his brothers in Genesis 50 reveals about processed pain, and why it's the frame for everything

The intention of the betrayer does not determine the outcome of the betrayed.

Referenced Scriptures

Genesis 37, 39, 41, 50

Ready to stop circling the wound?

Jahmaal works with a limited number of coaching clients at a time, and the spots that open don't stay open. If you've been on the edge of this decision, now is the time to move.

Go to LinkedIn and connect with Jahmaal directly.

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What You’ll Hear in This Episode

A Question That Hits Different

Jahmaal opens with a question most people have never allowed themselves to answer honestly: Have you ever had something go right, and felt more anxious, not less? The cold open sets the tone for an episode built on radical self-honesty.

The Chaos Blueprint - How Your Nervous System Got Wired

Your childhood home wasn’t just where you grew up, it was your first classroom in what ‘normal’ feels like. Jahmaal breaks down how environments of unpredictability, emotional unavailability, and constant crisis train the nervous system to seek tension as a form of regulation. When your baseline is chaos, calm doesn’t feel peaceful, it feels suspicious.

Key insight: The brain doesn’t chase what’s good for you. It chases what’s familiar. And familiar can be quietly destroying you.

The Four Sabotage Patterns

Jahmaal names the four most common ways unprocessed wounds show up as self-sabotage in adult life:

The Hyper-Guarded Heart

Building walls so high that genuinely safe people can’t get in, and then using their eventual exit as proof that no one can be trusted.

Creating Drama in the Calm

Stirring conflict when things are running smoothly, not out of malice, but because the nervous system doesn’t know how to trust stillness.

Escapism and Numbing

Drifting into overwork, overindulgence, over-scrolling, or any behavior that keeps you slightly off-balance, because sitting in genuine peace means sitting with the feelings you’ve spent years outrunning.

Settling for Less

Walking away from great opportunities and returning to the comfortable mediocre, not because something is wrong with the opportunity, but because a subconscious identity built in lack doesn’t believe it gets to have great things.

The Leadership Layer - Why This Is a Professional Conversation Too

This isn’t just personal development. For anyone in a position of leadership: executives, entrepreneurs, managers, coaches, pastors, parents; unprocessed wounds don’t stay behind closed doors. They show up in:

How you manage (or micromanage) your team

Which opportunities you accept or quietly talk yourself out of

Whether your culture is built on trust and vision, or fear and control

How you respond when talented people begin to outpace your comfort zone

The most expensive thing in any organization isn’t a bad strategy. It’s an unhealed leader.

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

DM me the word "Peace" to get the conversation started

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

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KEY TAKEAWAYS

What to Walk Away With

Chaos isn’t just an external circumstance, for many people, it’s an internal identity built in childhood.

Your nervous system will always move toward what’s familiar, not what’s healthy, until you consciously rewire it.

Self-sabotage is not a character flaw. It is a protection strategy that outlived its usefulness.

Leaders carry their wounds into their organizations. Healing isn’t soft, it is a competitive advantage.

Peace is a skill that can be developed. Tolerating good is the practice.

The gap between where you are and where you know you’re supposed to be is often not about strategy, it’s about subconscious belief.

This One’s Especially for You If…

You’ve ever felt more comfortable in struggle than in success
You recognize patterns of pulling away just when things start going well
You’re a leader who wonders why your culture feels tense even when nothing is ‘wrong’
You’ve settled for a relationship, a job, or a version of yourself that you know doesn’t match your full potential
You’re doing all the right things externally but still feel an unexplainable resistance to receiving good
You know the word ‘hypervigilant’ applies to you but haven’t known what to do with it

CONNECT + WORK WITH JAHMAAL

Ready to Do the Work?

If this episode opened something in you, if you’re done cycling between chaos and confusion, done leaving great things on the table, done leading from a wound instead of a vision; Jahmaal works directly with individuals and leaders ready to close that gap.

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WHAT WE COVER IN THIS EPISODE

[00:00] Cold Open — Starting in the middle, because that's where most of you are

[03:30] Why toxicity doesn't find you by accident - it finds a frequency

[08:00] The curiosity problem: why we're endlessly curious about others and remarkably uncurious about ourselves

[13:15] Why "know your worth" has become a slogan - and what actually discovering your worth looks like

[18:00] The 4-Stage Clarity Process:

Stage 1 - Discomfort: What comes up when you start asking real questions

Stage 2 - The Shedding: Why things fall away and why that's not failure

Stage 3 - The Emerging: How clarity shifts who enters your orbit

Stage 4 - Maintenance: Why clarity is a practice, not a milestone

[26:00] The "waiting" pattern, and why it's not patience, it's outsourcing

[31:00] Closing reframe: chaos in your life is information about you, not something happening to you

[33:30] Call to Action + Premium Strategy Hour

KEY QUOTES FROM THIS EPISODE

"Toxicity doesn't target the strong. It targets the unclear."

"The version of you that knows their worth doesn't just say it — they live at a frequency where certain things simply cannot survive."

"Clarity is a filter you never have to consciously operate. It just works."

"You don't need permission to begin the process of becoming who you already are."

"That waiting isn't patience. That's outsourcing."

"The situation will not resolve first. You resolve first."

"These aren't failures. These are maps."

RESOURCES & NEXT STEPS

Work with Jahmaal - Premium Strategy Hour

If this episode hit something real, the Premium Strategy Hour is a single, focused, unsparing session designed to go directly into the internal narratives keeping you stagnant — the stories you've normalized, the patterns you've explained away, the lack of clarity that has you waiting on someone else to move first.

Spots are extremely limited and are not held on a waitlist. When they're gone, the door closes.

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This is not a sales call. It is strategic, honest, and built for people who are done with insight without implementation.

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A strong brand presence does not start with better gear. It starts with knowing how you want to show up.

I sat down with Junaid Ahmed to talk about what it really takes to build a strong presence on and off camera without burning yourself out in the process. We got into the connection between emotional intelligence, storytelling, and studio setup, and why the best content starts with clarity long before you buy more gear.

Junaid is the founder of Home Studio Mastery and the host of Hacks & Hobbies, where he helps entrepreneurs, creators, and business owners create studio setups that match the quality of their message. In this conversation, he shares how his own journey in video production, podcasting, and problem-solving led him to help others show up with more confidence, better systems, and a more intentional brand presence.

We also talk through practical ways to improve your content right now, including framing, lighting, audio, and the importance of staying teachable as you grow. This one is full of insight for anyone who wants to communicate with more impact and show up more powerfully in their work.

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:03 - Meet Junaid

1:36 - Junaid’s favorite genre of music (and how it influences him)

4:44 - How Junaid developed his sense of calm

11:23 - ‘Energetic types’

19:37 - What moved Junaid to help people build their brands

26:44 - Recommendations to improve your content right now

34:49 - Episode wrap-up

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

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Website: https://homestudiomastery.com/

Book: https://homestudiobook.com/

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The way you communicate can open doors, or quietly close them.

On this week’s episode, I sat down with Steve Woodruff to talk about what it really means to communicate with clarity, own your strengths, and become unforgettable in the way you show up.

Steve is known as the “King of Clarity” – and his Clarity Formula is designed to help businesses and business owners unlock more revenue.

He shares how simplifying your message, understanding your unique value, and creating what he calls “memory darts” can help you stand out, earn more referrals, and move with greater confidence in your work and calling. It’s a powerful conversation on identity, alignment, and saying what matters in a way people actually remember.

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:15 - Meet Steve Woodruff

3:06 - Steve’s favorite genre of music

6:53 - Steve’s shift away from corporate

11:11 - Finding your true purpose and identifying mismatch

14:16 - “Redeeming the time”, finding your path

19:21 - “Memory darts”

25:23 - How you can get in touch with Steve

27:26 - Final thoughts

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

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Interested in learning more about Steve?

Website: https://www.stevewoodruff.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swoodruff/

Book - Clarity Wins:

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Jahmaal unpacks the difference between chemistry and character, and why so many people confuse emotional intensity with genuine alignment.

In this solo episode, he breaks down how powerful connection can cloud judgment in relationships, friendships, business, and even hiring decisions.

He challenges listeners to stop using feelings as proof, start paying attention to patterns, and recognize that closure does not always come from the other person.

This conversation is a thoughtful reminder that character reveals itself over time, and real peace begins when people stop outsourcing their healing and start choosing clarity for themselves.

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

2:41 - Chemistry

7:47 - Character

13:36 - The trap of ‘waiting for closure’

18:09 - Three practical shifts

20:54 - Final thoughts

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In this episode, I sit down with Terry Rice, speaker, entrepreneur, and leadership trainer, for a real conversation about addiction, identity, fatherhood, discipline, and what it means to live in alignment.

Terry brings the perspective of someone who has rebuilt more than once, opening up about getting fired from Facebook, losing his son TJ, and how those experiences shaped the way he leads, lives, and serves others today. We talk about overcoming alcoholism, building a life with intention, and using your scars, not to hide, but to help others grow. Honest, challenging, and full of perspective, this one is for anyone trying to lead with more clarity, purpose, and truth.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:37 - Favorite genre of music and how it informs Terry’s life

4:15 - How Terry utilizes the gym

6:05 - Building resilience

8:35 - Terry’s why and his addiction to alcohol

13:57 - Exploring ‘functional addiction’

18:01 - How Terry hit his brick wall

24:38 - Your sense of purpose and conquering your addictions

27:52 - “What drives you today?”

32:55 - Work/life rhythms and getting alignment

39:37 - Being a dad and working, or having a business

42:23 - Episode wrap-up

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

BUY ME A Coffee - with this link: https://buymeacoffee.com/listenthenspeak?new=1

Interested in learning more about Terry?

https://performancesystems.co/keynote

https://buildwiththem.com/

Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-rice/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsterryrice/

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WHAT YOU’LL HEAR IN THIS EPISODE

01 - The Myth of External Closure

We’ve been conditioned to believe closure is something someone else delivers. Jahmaal unpacks why that belief is both biologically understandable and deeply damaging and introduces the Zeigarnik Effect, the psychological reason our minds grip unfinished situations so tightly.

“Closure is not a conversation. It’s a decision you make inside yourself about what that chapter meant and what you’re going to do next.”

02 - The Self-Sabotage Nobody Talks About

When unresolved pain goes unprocessed, we carry it forward, transferring it onto new managers, new partners, new collaborators who had nothing to do with the original wound. Jahmaal names this pattern “transferring pain forward” and explains why it masquerades as wisdom, discernment, and self-protection.

Key distinction from this segment:

Boundaries built from wisdom: identifying patterns, doing the work, watching for early signs

Walls built from unhealed wounds: treating everyone who resembles your past as a present-day threat

“You are punishing people for crimes they didn’t commit — and losing the very opportunities that could heal you.

03 - Your Internal Triggers Are Running the Show

A trigger isn’t just an emotional reaction — it’s your nervous system signaling that something unprocessed has been activated. The problem is that your nervous system cannot distinguish between what is actually dangerous and what merely resembles something that was dangerous before.

The result: you make survival decisions in contexts where survival isn’t actually at stake. You are fighting yesterday’s battle in today’s arena.

“When your unhealed triggers are driving, your future is being written by your past.”

Jahmaal also addresses why insight alone doesn’t equal healing and what it actually takes to update the internal narrative written at your most vulnerable moment.

04 - The Psychological Safety You’re Creating for Yourself

Here’s the reframe: your self-sabotage isn’t random. It isn’t weakness. It is strategy, a set of protective behaviors your psyche built to keep you safe. But there’s a critical difference between manufactured safety and real psychological safety.

Manufactured safety: controlled demolition of your own potential before someone else can cause the damage

Real psychological safety: the inner confidence that you can handle whatever comes, you will not be destroyed

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Burnout does not start with your calendar. It starts with what you keep tolerating.

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Gwendolyn Oglesby-Odom, a healthcare executive and transformational servant leader, for a powerful conversation on boundaries, psychological safety, self-care, and what it really takes to lead without losing yourself. From non-negotiables and team culture to vulnerability and sustainable leadership, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone trying to build healthier people and stronger teams.

Episode Highlights:

0:24 - Introduction

1:40 - Favorite genre of music and how it shapes her life

3:29 - The wellness gap for leaders on the front lines

4:05 - Why self-care has to be scheduled

5:31 - Night routines, boundaries, and protecting rest

7:36 - Non-negotiables and the cost of renegotiating them

10:17 - Delegation, team structure, and leadership vision

12:51 - Psychological safety and leading with vulnerability

20:15 - What to do when your work environment is draining you

23:00 - Vacation, refueling, and the leadership case for rest

25:51 - Leading with love and building a healthy team culture

35:11 - Dr. Gwen’s billion-dollar healthcare investment in Chicago

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Peace isn’t the absence of pressure. It’s the presence of structure.

In this solo episode, Jahmaal breaks down boundaries without bitterness and why most people don’t struggle with saying no, they struggle with guilt, fear, and the need to be liked. He shares how resentment builds when you wait too long, why overexplaining kills a boundary’s authority, and the simple framework that helps you set limits with clarity, consistency, and calm.

If you’re tired of protecting your peace with attitude, this one gives you the roadmap to protect it with discipline.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:25 - Episode open

2:23 - The ‘B’ word (boundaries)

3:39 - Bitterness and what no boundaries gets you

11:07 - The affect on your business

14:07 - Why do we avoid boundaries?

16:03 - Being kind doesn’t always mean being available

17:31 - Clarity, consistency and calm

19:04 - The challenge for this week + closing thoughts

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On this episode of Listen Then Speak, I sit down with my friend (and repeat guest) Mita Mallick to talk about her new book, The Devil Emails at Midnight: What Good Leaders Can Learn from Bad Bosses. We get into the real workplace dynamics so many people quietly deal with: chaos, burnout, and “lethal loyalty”, and what it actually looks like to set boundaries without blowing up your career.

Mita shares how her upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrant parents shaped the way she approached work, why “keep your head down and work hard” can backfire in modern corporate culture, and how bad bosses don’t just create stress, they create ripple effects that drain entire teams. We also unpack one of the book’s most memorable archetypes, “The White Rabbit” manager, and walk through practical ways to manage up, prioritize what’s urgent vs. important, and build a communication framework that protects your time and sanity.

If you’ve ever felt pressured to be available 24/7, struggled to advocate for yourself, or wondered how to lead well in a broken culture, this conversation is for you.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:53 - Meet Mita!

2:25 - Favorite genre of music

3:07 - Management, flexibility and being a role model

5:30 - The start of Mita’s career and how her parent’s culture informed it

12:06 - The ‘F’ word (family)

17:09 - The “white rabbit”

21:16 - “Managing up” with a ‘white rabbit’

27:07 - Getting over the fear of ‘managing up’

30:13 - Urgency exhaustion and guarding your true priorities

33:59 - Advice to service-based, or faith-based professionals

38:12 - Where you can get Mita’s book

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Book: https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Emails-Midnight-Leaders-Bosses/dp/1394316488

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Burned out, stuck in your head, and still trying to lead like everything’s fine?

In this episode of Listen then Speak, I sit down with entrepreneur and biohacker Chaz Horn to talk about what it actually looks like to stress less without lowering the bar. We get into the mindset shifts that move you from fear and survival mode into clarity, gratitude, and real self-awareness, plus a few simple habits that help you reset your energy and get your creativity back.

We also zoom out to leadership and culture, including the difference between expectations and standards, and why collaboration might be the most overlooked growth strategy for high-performing leaders.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:55 - Favorite genre of music and how it influences Chaz

5:52 - ‘Bio-hacking’ and awareness around your emotions

11:12 - One simple mindset shift (that has a big impact)

14:21 - Gratitude

23:08 - ‘Good’ dopamine and ‘bad’ dopamine

26:08 - Chaz’s mediation story

29:06 - What the “body in motion” does to increase creativity

33:05 - What brought Chaz to what he does today

37:03 - Where you can find Chaz

39:09 - Episode wrap-up

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On this week’s Listen Then Speak, Jahmaal sits down with business coach Justin Janowski for a conversation that goes past surface-level advice and into what actually makes sales, pricing, and strategy feel clean and effective.

Justin is the founder of Faith2Influence, and began his entrepreneurial journey just like many others, with uncertainty and fear, but also with a strong desire to build a faith-driven, impactful, and financially successful business.

He joins Jahmaal to talk about why “sales” doesn’t have to feel pushy (or fake), and how the best sales conversations are really leadership with a clear invitation at the end. Justin also breaks down his simple framework for ending every call with a yes, a no, or the next call booked, so you stop living in follow-up limbo and start closing the open loops that quietly drain your time and energy.

You’ll also hear the mindset side: identity, emotional state, and the stories we tell ourselves about money and rejection, and the quick pre-call rituals Justin uses to show up grounded, confident, and aligned.

If you’re building a business, thinking about a side gig, or you just want to get better at communicating value without feeling “salesy,” this episode is for you.

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:26 - Meet Justin Janowski

2:05 - Favorite genre of music that informs Justin’s life

4:45 - What started Justin’s passion for sales

8:18 - The problem that Justin was created to solve

12:36 - Sales that “feel good” and leading prospects to yes (or no)

19:31 - Win/win or no deal

21:30 - Diving into the sales conversation itself

25:45 - Rejection and why people quit too soon

28:11 - Your emotional state going into a sales call

32:31 - “I’m not in sales, how does this apply to me?”

34:27 - Some of Justin’s own rituals

37:59 - Where you can find Justin

39:07 - Episode wrap-up

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We Did It - 1 MILLION Downloads!!!In this milestone episode, Jahmaal pauses to reflect, express gratitude, and honor the journey that turned a simple practice of listening into a global movement.In This Episode, You’ll Hear:- How Listen Then Speak began with Jahmaal walking through the woods—long before a microphone or audience

How the podcast evolved into a globally trusted brand serving leaders, businesses, and entrepreneurs
Reflections on some of Jahmaal’s most meaningful and impactful episodes
A heartfelt thank-you to listeners, guests, partners, and supporters around the world
A preview of what’s coming next as the podcast moves through the rest of 2026

Why This Episode Matters:This episode is a reminder that sustainable impact doesn’t come from rushing—it comes from listening, alignment, and intentional growth. It’s an invitation to slow down, reflect, and recommit to the work that truly matters.

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For some people, helping others reach financial stability and freedom – is just a job.

For Bill Walters, it’s personal.

Before becoming a financial guru, Bill spent six years caring for his mother during her battle with dementia. He also raised a daughter with emotional, medical, and psychological needs. These experiences taught him firsthand how unpredictable life can be and how important it is to plan ahead with wisdom and care.

Today, he works with people who are navigating life on their own terms. Whether managing a household or growing a business, to planning for retirement, or a loved one’s long-term care – Bill’s mission is to help you achieve lasting financial stability and solvency through solutions that truly fit your journey.

He joins Jahmaal to share more about his journey and this crucial intersection between his experiences, and what he does to help others now. They also touch on the importance of mindset and control. The magic of simple, responsible decision making and more!

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:22 - Episode open, introduction to Bill Walters

1:20 - Bill’s favorite genre of music (and how it informs his life)

3:44 - What’s developed Bill into who he is today

5:22 - Bill’s draw to “see things perfected”

10:12 - Bill’s advice for your own loved ones

14:53 - Mindset, burnout and control

23:05 - Roadmapping financial (and mental) success

26:32 - How you can find your “why”

29:22 - Re-building a nest egg

33:15 - Closing thoughts

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Our personal lives and professional lives. Two areas typically kept completely separate, never to see one another.

In reality, who we are, what we’ve been through and what we “do” for a living are all inextricably linked.

Failure informs what we do in the future. Adversity helps build us stronger. Mistakes are what make us.. well, human.

These aren’t things to be ignored, but experiences to be embraced for the true growth potential they provide.

Today’s guest and episode focuses on this very fact.

Michael Stephenson is a community leader and marketing expert with over 20 years of experience driving significant change. His company, Brim and Brand is a full-service marketing and advertising agency.

His focus on fostering meaningful progress and his leadership is second to none but most importantly, is informed by the challenges and obstacles he faced in his own life as a young man – which we examine in this episode.

Additionally Michael shares his blueprint for others, what inspires him to “give back” and enrich his community, his 3 big takeaways from someone starting over and more great nuggets of wisdom!

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:47 - Meet Michael Stevenson

3:18 - Favorite genre and how it informs Michael

6:24 - Michael’s early days

16:01 - Moving to now: Starting the company and how Michael runs it

29:16 - Letting go of bitterness and resentment

31:00 - Michael’s 3 Takeaways

33:22 - Where you can find Michael

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As we close out 2025, Jahmaal Marshall reflects on a powerful year of growth, leadership, and transformation within the Listen Then Speak community.

In this episode, Jahmaal explores the often-overlooked reality of high-functioning burnout, especially among senior leaders, high performers, and business owners who appear successful on the outside but are silently carrying exhaustion, emotional overload, and unspoken resentment.

You’ll hear insights drawn from client experiences (shared with full confidentiality) that reveal the financial, emotional, and relational cost of high-functioning codependency - and why managing symptoms is no longer enough.

This episode also sets the stage for what’s coming in 2026, including deeper conversations, expanded impact, and new ways for leaders to do the root work that leads to sustainable success.

Before you go, Jahmaal invites you to subscribe, leave a rating and review, and continue building this global movement of leaders who are learning to listen first - so they can lead with clarity, alignment, and purpose.

What You’ll Learn in This EpisodeWhy burnout in high performers often goes unnoticed

The hidden link between high achievement and high-functioning codependency

How subconscious beliefs quietly drain time, energy, and revenue

The true cost of over-responsibility and people-pleasing in leadership

What changes when leaders do the root work instead of managing symptoms

A preview of what’s coming next for the Listen Then Speak Podcast in 2026

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In a sea of hot-takes and fast “advice”, it can be difficult to understand what is really important when it comes to success in business but also in life.

…and that’s before we even get to the “how”.

This week’s guest has not only distilled what is really important, but also how you get there when it comes to leveling up your life, your career and really, everything in-between.

Tee Smith is a leadership trainer, wisdom teacher, and entrepreneur whose mission is to raise Kingdom leaders who build wealth, impact, and influence with spiritual integrity.

Tee blends biblical wisdom, business strategy, and leadership mastery into practical teachings that help people

Make wiser decisions
Hear God more clearly
Lead with emotional and spiritual maturity
Build businesses that create real value and long-term impact.

Entrepreneurs follow him because his teachings produce clarity.

Investors follow him because his wisdom sharpens judgement.

And organizations follow him because his leadership principles create order, growth, and momentum.

This episode will give a sneak peek at what makes his point-of-view so valuable and the secret behind his own mindset, his approach to focus, ownership and much more!

Now, through REMarkit University, he’s offering a year-long path that helps you become the leader God designed you to be spiritually grounded, mentally sharp, and equipped to build wealth with wisdom.

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Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:29 - Meet Tee Smith

3:01 - Favorite genre of music / how it informs Tee

4:58 - Who you keep time with

9:05 - Extreme ownership and Tee’s “valleys”

13:48 - Quitters and the power of words

19:36 - Filtering information online

22:55 - The ‘F’ word

29:45 - Commitment

37:25 - 3 things Tee wants you to know, episode wrap-up

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Senior leaders, C-suite executives, and business owners are succeeding at unprecedented levels—yet many are silently battling stress, burnout, anxiety, and disordered boundaries.

In this powerful episode, Jahmaal Marshall speaks directly to high-performing leaders who feel exhausted behind the scenes and have normalized overwhelm as “the cost of success.”

This is not a conversation about productivity hacks or time management. It’s an invitation to uncover the subconscious beliefs driving overfunctioning, chronic stress, and emotional depletion, and to introduce a sustainable, measurable path forward.

If you’ve ever thought:

“I can’t slow down-too many people depend on me.”

“Rest feels uncomfortable or unproductive.”

“I’m successful, but I’m not at peace.”

This episode was created for you.

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Let's go into the remainder of this year into the next with momentum that last.

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode1. The “Always-Available Executive” PatternWhy leaders feel compelled to stay on call 24/7 and the subconscious fear that drives it.

2. The High-Achiever Who Can’t Say NoHow guilt-based decision-making leads to overcommitment and delayed growth.

3. The Hidden Burnout of Emotionally Compassionate LeadersWhy “carrying everyone’s pain” becomes a silent tax on mental health.

4. The Real Cause of Burnout: Subconscious BeliefsHow identity-level scripts — not poor time management — create chronic overwhelm.

5. The Internal Shifts Required to Lead from WholenessPractical mindset shifts and boundary strategies that restore energy and clarity.

About the Mini-Course This course is built for high-capacity leaders who: * Overextend themselves without meaning to * Struggle saying “no” even when responsibilities pile up * Feel their compassion and responsibility becoming heavy weights * Want to break burnout cycles at the identity* level — not the behavior level

Inside the Mini-Course, you’ll discover:

How to identify burnout-causing beliefs
Tools to retrain your subconscious patterns
Frameworks for guilt-free boundaries
Methods for restoring 20–30% more mental and emotional clarity
Strategies for sustainable leadership that doesn’t cost you your health

Black Friday Exclusive OfferFor a limited time, listeners can access this new Mini-Course at a special Black Friday rate.
This is Jahmaal’s way of ensuring that leaders have the tools they need to step into the next year with clarity and capacity without financial barriers.

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In this episode, we cover:

Why nurse burnout is rising nationwide

The emotional weight behind compassion fatigue

Why stress in nursing is often ignored or minimized

The danger of “I’m fine” culture

How to create emotional and professional boundaries without guilt

Tools nurses can use to reconnect to purpose and protect their mental health

How the Listen Then Speak method restores communication and healing in healthcare teams

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Because burnout shouldn’t be the cost of caring.

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With 28 years as an international professional speaker and corporate trainer, Precious L. Williams has methods to empower her clients to secure millions in pitch competition winnings, secure lucrative speaking engagements, and have helped countless Fortune 500 companies outperform their competition. From the poverty-stricken streets of St. Louis, Missouri, to the global stage of influence, Precious’ story of transformation is nothing less than iconic.

Precious doesn’t just talk confidence, she embodies it. She’s a 13-time pitch competition champion, Shark Tank alum, bestselling author, and “Killer Pitch Master” and here, we explore what it really takes to build a brand, a business, and a bold voice from scratch.

Precious shares how she went from surviving homelessness and trauma to training Fortune 500 leaders and commanding global stages with fearless authenticity. We unpack her journey through abuse, mental health diagnoses, and professional reinvention, revealing how personal pain shaped her superpower: the ability to show up fully without code-switching, without apology, and without limits.

We also explore what it means to lead in uncertain times, why silence is the first step to clarity, and how audacity (not perfection) is the secret to becoming a true rainmaker. Whether you’re a corporate leader, government employee, or entrepreneur navigating career uncertainty, this conversation offers both strategy and soul. Plus, Precious shares three powerful “kisses of life” to help you reset and rise, no matter what season you’re in.

What’s Inside:

How Precious survived homelessness and became an entrepreneurial powerhouse
What it means to lead in uncertain times
Three “kisses of life” to help you reset and rise to your greatest potential

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/precious-l-williams/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/perfectpitchgroup/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PreciousLWilliams

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As we step into a new season of conversations, insights, and growth, we want to hear from you directly.

Who are our listeners? What challenges are you facing right now? And how can this podcast best serve you moving forward?

👉 To help us shape the future of Listen Then Speak, we’ve created a short, anonymous, and confidential listener survey. HERE

It only takes a few minutes, and your input will directly guide what comes next.

Thank you for listening, supporting, and being part of this journey. Here’s to the next 60 episodes and beyond!

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Evan Marks is a seasoned mental performance coach with over 25 years of Wall Street wisdom, previously serving as a Senior Consultant and Performance Advisor at The ReThink Group. Armed with a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Pennsylvania and a background in Division 1 Lacrosse, Evan’s journey is a story of resilience, strategic thinking, and an unyielding pursuit of excellence. From tackling unpredictable markets to coaching a diverse clientele, including NASCAR pit crews, athletes, executives, and Wall Street pros, Evan lives by the belief that “pressure is a privilege.”

In his role as a Senior Performance Coach, Evan brings cutting-edge techniques rooted in modern psychoanalysis and neuroscience to guide clients in high-pressure industries toward peak performance. Beyond the financial world, Evan extends his coaching experience to mentoring, showcasing his dedication to developing leadership, communication, and relationship skills.

Here, Evan tells the story of the massive panic attack that forced him to rethink everything, from his health to his life’s direction. He shares how chronic stress, ambition, and fear of regret shaped his early career and how he ultimately pivoted to become a performance coach focused on neuroscience, psychoanalysis, and sustainable mental fitness. We unpack why high performers burn out, how trauma creates false psychological safety, and what it takes to truly listen, recalibrate, and begin again.

We also dive into key strategies for long-term clarity and resilience, like managing energy through night routines, embracing imperfect action, and learning to speak with intention instead of reaction. Whether you're a leader, entrepreneur, or just feeling stuck, this conversation is packed with hard-won insights for moving forward with purpose.

What’s Inside:

How a panic attack put Evan on a path of life transformation
Why high performers often experience burnout
How to speak with intention over reaction

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Ted Phaeton is a husband, father, and dog dad with a passion for helping men unlock their full potential through productivity, time mastery, and leadership. An Emmy Award-winning Morning Meteorologist at Queen City News in Charlotte, NC, Ted understands the power of structure, discipline, and efficiency—waking up at ungodly hours has made him a master of time optimization and peak performance.

As the host of The Modern Man Podcast (a globally ranked top 2% podcast), Ted is on a mission to connect men in pursuit of their greatest potential. Through his coaching, online mastermind community (The Noble Knights), and signature Tools of Time course, Ted provides proven frameworks for productivity, mindset, and success. His expertise helps high-achieving men take control of their schedules, master their habits, and create a life of purpose, efficiency, and freedom.

Ted is now expanding his impact into television hosting, game shows, and docuseries, aiming to bring his insights on time, human potential, and performance psychology to a larger audience. Whether behind the camera, on stage, or in the coaching arena, Ted is committed to helping men optimize their lives, lead with purpose, and elevate their capacity to show up for their families, businesses, and communities.

In this conversation, Ted shares the personal journey that led him to create Noble Knights. We dive into the quiet crisis of male isolation, the lessons Ted learned from mentorship and failure, and how reading No More Mr. Nice Guy became a turning point in reclaiming his voice and values. We also explore the emotional weight men carry behind success, the danger of clean armor, and why real strength comes from showing up cracked but still standing. From building The Modern Man podcast to leading weekly men’s groups, Ted is helping men redefine success, one honest conversation at a time.

What’s Inside:

How Ted’s personal journey led him to create The Noble Knights
Lessons Ted learned through mentorship and life experiences
A deep dive into the emotional weight behind male success

Mentioned In This Episode:

The Modern Man Podcast

https://themodernmanpodcast.com/ted

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealphaeton4kast/

Instagram Podcast: https://www.instagram.com/themodernmanpodcast/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ted-phaeton-3557261b/

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In This Episode, You’ll Learn:Why AI is accelerating disconnection more than innovation

The real leadership gap emerging in today’s orgs

How to lead without losing yourself or your people

A powerful 3-part framework to lead through ambiguity

What to expect in the July 10th webinar with Mita Mallick

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Jordan Mendoza is a sought-after sales and social media coach, podcast host, and author with a passion for helping individuals and brands elevate their presence and close deals. As the host of the popular podcast Blaze Your Own Trail, Jordan shares valuable insights from top-performing industry leaders, entrepreneurs, and creatives, diving into the stories that shaped their success. His expertise in building authentic, high-impact networks and using social media as a powerful sales tool has transformed countless lives and businesses.

Having faced adversity throughout his own journey, Jordan brings a unique perspective on resilience and grit, sharing his challenges to inspire others in their personal and professional growth. With a track record of empowering others to unlock their full potential, he blends his background in sales, coaching, and personal development to equip listeners and clients with actionable strategies to thrive in today’s competitive landscape.

From breakdancing in his garage to coaching global entrepreneurs, Jordan Mendoza has turned resilience into results. Here, Jordan takes us on his journey through the personal trials, rejections, and turning points that shaped his path, from a childhood marked by poverty and police violence to launching a thriving coaching business and global podcast.

Jordan shares how early sales jobs, a deep connection with his late mother, and a pivotal demotion helped him build a mindset rooted in adaptability, storytelling, and service. We dive into the power of rejection as redirection, why lived experience is a business asset, and how sharing your story (flaws and all) can create authentic impact. Whether you're building a brand or rebuilding a life, Jordan's journey is a masterclass in purpose-driven growth.

What’s Inside:

How Jordan’s life journey led him to where he is today
How to channel rejection into redirection and success
The power of sharing your story to make an authentic impact

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealjordanjmendoza

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanjmendoza/

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Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/chanel/ @jordanjmendoza

Company Website: https://www.blazeyourowntrailconsulting.com

Podcast: https://www.byotpod.com

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- What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

Why Mental Health Awareness Month still matters in 2025
Startling statistics around burnout and anxiety in the tech industry
The unique strengths and struggles of veterans in tech
How burnout impacts your identity, not just your energy
The difference between high-functioning and truly being well
How the Rewire Roadmap One-on One Session can help you realign mentally, emotionally, and spiritually

Special Offer — Rewire & Roadmap One on One Coaching Call In honor of Mental Health Awareness Month, Jahmaal is offering the Rewire Roadmap One-on One Session at a discounted rate throughout May until the end of June.

This One-on-One intensive call is built for high-performing professionals and includes:

Guided exercises with Mindset, Non-Negotiables, Root Cause Analysis, Mental Health Hacks and Next Steps
Tools for breaking cycles of burnout and over-functioning (including a time audit)
A Downloadable sheet so you can track your progress and measure results

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The true definition of burnout and how it manifests in tech careers

Key stats:

42% of tech workers are at high risk of burnout (Yerbo, 2023) (The stats are worse in 2025)
2 in 5 engineers report poor or very poor mental health
How anxiety shows up in digital workplaces — from imposter syndrome to fear of obsolescence
The role of remote work in increasing isolation and stress
Simple but powerful boundaries and recovery practices to start using today
A special offer to begin your personal healing journey
Yerbo, 2023: 42% of tech professionals are nearing burnout
APA Reports: Millennials and Gen Z in tech face heightened levels of work-related anxiety

Special Offer — Rewire & Renew Mini-CourseIn honor of Mental Health Awareness Month, Jahmaal is offering the Rewire & Renew Mini-Course at a discounted rate throughout May.

This self-paced program is built for high-performing professionals and includes:

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Adam Larkin is a motivational speaker, recovery advocate, serial entrepreneur, and the CEO of Gitt Apparel. Adam’s brand is on a mission to encourage people to live their best lives through adopting a healthy lifestyle. The Gitt philosophy’s core principle is to get up and do something different. As a New York native, Adam launched Gitt Apparel in NYC. Today, his powerhouse brand has expanded to 38 states and counting.

When he’s not hustling to grow Gitt Apparel, Adam also works as a social media consultant. He shares his expertise with other companies to help them grow revenue through creating and promoting content and managing their social media pages. Adam’s unique combination of A+ video editing skills and marketing knowledge makes him a top consulting pick for businesses across the country.

Here, Adam shares stories from his transformational journey from troubled addict to successful entrepreneur. He shares how hitting rock bottom served as a catalyst for growth and how he stays committed to sobriety and self-improvement. Adam also dives into the origins of Gitt Apparel, the power of finding purpose, and why self-care is a marathon, not a sprint.

What’s Inside:

Adam’s journey from addiction to successful entrepreneur
The Gitt Apparel origin story
How Adam stays committed to sobriety and self-improvement

Mentioned In This Episode:
Gitt Apparel Website

Gitt Apparel on Instagram

Adam Larkin on Facebook

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As a seasoned business coach with 16 years of experience, Jacob Roig inspires and equips ambitious entrepreneurs to overcome growth barriers, increase their income, and enjoy more time off without compromise. Through his proprietary Pricing for Profit Calculator and proven strategies, Jacob helps business owners confidently expand their teams, increase their impact, and achieve financial freedom.

In this energizing conversation, Jacob tells his story of going from an ambitious, hard-working kid to the transformational business owner he is today. He shares how the power of knowing your worth and believing in yourself allows you to become successful in both your professional and personal life. Jacob also shares the importance of setting healthy professional boundaries, the highs and lows that shaped him, and the importance of connecting to something bigger than us.

What’s Inside:

Stories from Jacob’s professional journey
The importance of knowing your worth and setting healthy boundaries
Why we need to connect to something bigger than us

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https://jacobroig.com/

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Once an unapologetic corporate climber, Jennifer Brick exited her thriving corporate career to follow her passion: helping pave the path for more people like her to succeed at work. Shortly after starting her YouTube channel, people started turning to her to help them navigate toxic workplaces and toxic job recovery.

In the years since, Jennifer has helped thousands of people get over their toxic jobs and restore their career confidence and trajectory. Having studied trauma and healing for more than 20 years, both during her university studies and informally as a special interest, her approach is informed by the principles of restorative justice and compassionate inquiry. She also has nearly 20 years of experience as a speaker and trainer working with hypergrowth startups and Fortune 500 companies.

Here, Jennifer shares all the details of her professional journey and what birthed her ultimate career glow. Mentorship and sponsorship were essential to Jennifer’s career transformation, and she dives into how they shaped her path. Jennifer also shares her experiences with career barriers, the importance of knowing and owning your power, and more.

What’s Inside:

Jennifer’s journey from leaving a toxic job to helping others do the same
How mentorship aided Jennifer throughout her career transformation
The importance of knowing and owning your power

Mentioned In This Episode:
Jennifer’s website: https://www.capdecasolutions.com/

Jennifer’s Newsletter: https://www.capdecasolutions.com/career-bestie-insider

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JenniferBrick

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So, what’s this community all about?

Bi-weekly Virtual Meetups: Every two weeks, we host a live, interactive session. Sometimes it's a roundtable discussion, sometimes a guest speaker — always engaging, always insightful. These sessions are a safe space to exchange ideas, ask hard questions, and share strategies.

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Peer Support & Networking: Imagine having a circle of like-minded leaders you can turn to at any moment. Need help navigating a tricky hiring process? Looking for ways to integrate AI into your workflow? Someone in this community has been there — and they’re ready to share their experience.

Why should you join?

Fresh Perspectives: Sometimes, the best ideas come from someone outside your immediate circle. HR and tech leaders bring different lenses to the same problem together, they form a 360-degree view.

Actionable Insights: We don’t just talk theory; every session and resource is geared toward practical, real-world solutions you can implement the next day.

Connection & Collaboration: Build relationships that go beyond LinkedIn — these are genuine, working partnerships.

If you’re a tech leader aiming to strengthen your team or an HR professional striving to stay ahead of tech trends, this is your space. Business owners and individual contributors are welcome to share their experience while gleaning from and active community which set you up to reduce stress and burnout by more than 30 percent. We’re stronger when we learn and grow together.

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For over 12 years, Jahmaal has empowered countless individuals to optimize their time and safeguard their mental well-being. Now, he’s on a mission to revolutionize the work culture of 50,000 companies by 2035, ensuring they thrive from the inside out.

Jahmaal Marshall is a corporate wellness advocate and leader who reshapes work cultures to prioritize mental health. With a 12-year track record, he equips executives and HR professionals with strategies to combat burnout and stress, teaching them to increase focus and drive to thrive professionally and personally. Through consulting and coaching programs, Jahmaal addresses deep-seated challenges like constant stress, feelings of doubt, worry, and work-life rhythms. His solutions foster healthier work environments, yielding more present, energized employees and a more robust company bottom line.

2025 has already proved to be extremely stressful. However there are different stress responses for different people.

In this episode Jahmaal will break down 3 manifestations of the Fawn Response:

Over-Accommodation & Burnout
Lack of Boundaries
Perfectionism & Imposter Syndrome

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He will give viewers a taste of what is coming in 2025 and some changes to the podcast that will make it far more interactive.

In this episode Jahmaal will break down 3 matters of taking Imperfect actions:

Why we don't take imperfect action
Some of the underlying causes of procrastination
The definition of false psychological safety

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Jahmaal's Website

Jahmaal Marshall on LinkedIn

Schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

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Cindy Witteman is a powerhouse from the heart of San Antonio, Texas. She's not just a business owner, three-time International Best-Selling Author, and proud recipient of the esteemed 2023 Trailblazer Award—she's also your go-to host for the heartwarming "Little Give" TV show and the thought-provoking "Is Manifesting Podcast." But Cindy's story doesn't end there. She's a passionate entrepreneur, life and confidence coach, speaker, and even a beekeeper.

As the founder and CEO of "FORCE" Magazine, Cindy is at the forefront of empowering others through her multimedia platform. Her impact stretches far beyond borders, as she was honored to be the recipient of the 2023 International Impact Book Awards. As someone who's walked the path of single parenthood and embraced the joys of being a stepmom to a blended family of six children, one grandson, and two granddaughters, Cindy knows firsthand the ups and downs of parenting.

Driven by her own experiences, she founded Driving Single Parents in 2017, a 501(c)3 non-profit which is about to celebrate its 7th year anniversary. Through this heartfelt initiative, Cindy and her dedicated team provide single-parent families with more than just transportation—they offer them a lifeline, a chance to rewrite their futures, one reliable vehicle at a time.

Beyond her professional accolades and philanthropic endeavors, Cindy's heart beats for adventure, family, and the simple joy of making a difference. Whether she's exploring new destinations, cherishing precious moments with her loved ones, or lending a helping hand to those in need, Cindy's life is a testament to resilience, compassion, and the power of positivity. She's not just changing lives; she's inspiring others to find strength, hope, and happiness in every step of their journey.

Here, Cindy dives into her experience with domestic violence and how a mindset shift helped her pull herself and her children out of a toxic environment. She shares how she overcame people pleasing and a scarcity mindset and why comparing yourself to others is detrimental. Cindy also shares how she’s removing the stigma around single mothers, the impacts she’s making through her non-profit, and more.

What’s Inside:

How a mindset shift helped Cindy out of an abusive marriage
How Cindy’s shattering the stigma around single motherhood
The inspiration behind Cindy’s non-profit

Mentioned In This Episode:
Cindy Witteman on Instagram

Cindy Witteman on Amazon

Cindy Witteman on LinkedIn

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After successfully navigating the vibrant fields of fashion design, systems engineering, cloud engineering, cloud training, and team coaching, Antoni Tzavelas found his true vocation: igniting the spark of inspiration in others as a public speaker and leadership coach.

With a focus on spreading the potent messages of happiness and empowerment, his mission is to illuminate paths of personal and professional fulfillment for others. Global engagements have seen him grace stages at many conferences around the world. Such appearances are complemented by participation in countless community meetups where he has imparted his knowledge and insights, furthering an understanding of leadership, happiness, and empowerment.

Antoni guides individuals to prioritize their happiness in every aspect of their lives. By offering straightforward, impactful strategies through keynote speeches and workshops, he empowers people to unlock their full potential. This is not just his career; it’s his mission to help make the world a more inspired and joyful place. Make happiness your superpower!

In this conversation, Antoni shares his inspirational story of how he got to where he is today, starting with his childhood. He walks through how his mother instilled in him a positive mindset that has followed him throughout his life. Antoni also shares how he practices and fosters gratitude, how to harness happiness for resilience, how to navigate a toxic workplace, and how to inspire others through positivity.

What’s Inside:

How Antoni practices and fosters gratitude
Tips for navigating a toxic workplace
How to inspire others through positivity

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Nausheen Chen is a nerd turned Fortune 50 manager turned award-winning filmmaker...turned 3-time TEDx speaker and public speaking coach. She was one of those kids who had no idea what she wanted to be when she grew up. She’s been a #1 ranked manager at Procter & Gamble, an award-winning filmmaker, trained and performed improv in NYC and was a director at a PR company. She even acted in and directed a late night comedy TV show.

But in 2021, Nausheen realized she never resonated with any of those roles and titles. At heart, she loved speaking ever since she was a 19-year old radio show host. Or before that, when she played the Princess in her school’s production of Rapunzel in grade 3. So in 2022, Nausheen quit her multiple 6-figure filmmaking startup to become a public speaking coach. After 17 years, she’s finally daring to start living her dream.

In this engaging conversation, Nausheen shares all the hills and valleys of her journey, starting from when she was a young girl. She dives into how blind loyalty to inherited mindsets and principals can take you off your true path and how she broke free. Nausheen also shares how she handles the vulnerability that comes with personal change, why taking action doesn’t always build confidence on its own, and her transformational work as a coach.

What’s Inside:

Nausheen’s journey from Fortune 50 manager to public speaking coach
How blind loyalty to inherited mindsets takes you off your authentic path
Why taking action doesn’t always build confidence on its own

Mentioned In This Episode:
Nausheen's Website

Nausheen Chen on LinkedIn

Nausheen Chen on Instagram

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With more than 25 years of being a CEO and founder, James Lawrence loves to share his insights on leadership, organizational culture and the intersection of technology in the workplace. James believes the cornerstone of every successful organization is its people. His mission is to help people love their work and get connected with their teams because, in his words, "when people work better, we all win, together.”

James is a serial entrepreneur with a passion for cultivating great workplaces and empowering people. At 48, he's the co-founder and CEO of Happy Companies, a startup that uses technology to deliver AI-enhanced coaching. Happy revolutionized the way organizations encourage improved communication, collaboration and engagement with their employees at scale.

His journey to leadership wasn't straightforward. Early in his career, James learned the hard way that authority doesn't come from a title; it comes from genuinely understanding and connecting with your team.

With a background of launching four startups, two auto racing championships under his belt, and previous leadership roles as the CEO of Power Automedia and Chairman of the Specialty Equipment Manufacturing Association (SEMA), James brings a unique blend of speed and innovation to the business world. James places a strong emphasis on nurturing talent and fostering the next generation of leaders, always with an eye toward meaningful work.

James is married to his amazing wife Melissa and is the father of three kids: Bradley, Jordan and Taylor. When he's not leading his team or spending time with his family, James is likely coaching youth football, driving a race car faster than 200 mph, learning to fly, or diving into one of his favorite books, which range from "The Hard Thing About Hard Things" to "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People"

As a serial entrepreneur, James hasn’t had a linear path. Here, he shares what inspired him on his journey and what ultimately sparked him to create Happy. He talks about how he shattered who his parents wanted him to be to overcome fear and live more authentically. James also shares insights on the power of honesty as a CEO, how he helps leaders foster healthy workplace cultures, and the challenge of beginning with the end in mind.

What’s Inside:

How James overcame fear to live authentically
The power of honesty as a CEO
How James helps leaders foster a healthy workplace culture

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Happy Companies Website

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Jordan “Dxtr Spits” Holmes was raised in Prince George’s County, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C. His curious mind led him to become a jack of all trades as a scientist/engineer, musician, spoken word artist, and entrepreneur. Holmes relocated to Chicago in 2014 after graduating from Virginia Tech, where he got his degree as a Materials Science Engineer and met his mentor, Dr. Nikki Giovanni.

He began the pursuit of his music career as Dxtr Spits, a witty, impactful, and energized lyricist. Holmes is the Founder and CEO of “Onli Packs”, an apparel and backpack brand that utilizes art from local artists. He prioritizes community reinvestment and creates community support initiatives utilizing his company and brands. His versatility and hustle have landed him attention locally and nationally, including: NPR, The Chicago Tribune, Vocalo Radio, Voyage Chicago, & These Days News.

In this exciting conversation, Jordan dives deep into how his background shaped his journey and how he came up with the name of his alter ego, Dxtr Spits. He shares his thoughts on the countless distractions we’re faced with in this world and how he brings himself back to center. Jordan also discusses the parallels between mindless consumption and avoiding life challenges, his work with How Men Cry, how he found a way out of his own hardships, and much more.

What’s Inside:

How Jordan chose the name for his alter ego, Dxtr Spits
All about Jordan’s transformational work through How Men Cry
The impacts of social media on how we connect with others

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How Men Cry Website

Jordan Holmes on LinkedIn

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As an actress, April Hernandez Castillo reached critical heights in her portrayal of Eva Benitez in the award-winning movie, Freedom Writers. She has garnered roles in Showtime's Nurse Jackie, Person of Interest, ER, 30 Rock, Elementary, Law & Order SVU, and The Following. April received a SAG Award nomination for best ensemble cast in the hit show Dexter. She also had a recurring role on NBC's New Amsterdam.

April now travels across the United States, sharing her story of perseverance and survival, using examples of how the power of her voice has made her a courageous leader. She facilitates workshops for youth groups, student organizations, women's events, and school administrators on how to deal with the epidemic of intimate partner violence.

April and her husband and business partner, Zalo Castillo, are the cofounders of Parental Voices Matter, a workshop/program created to ignite, educate, and support parental communities. They realized how underserved parents are and they need to be informed and motivated just as much as children do.

Here, April shares her journey of embracing motherhood, how she’s enjoying her evolving relationship with her growing children, and how she’s helping her daughter along in her own acting career. April also shares her thoughts on navigating mental health at home and out in the world, how trauma impacts your experiences and relationships, and more.

What’s Inside:

How April’s helping her daughter navigate an acting career
Navigating mental health at home and out in the world
How trauma impact your experiences and relationships

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April Hernandez Castillo on LinkedIn

April Hernandez Castillo on Instagram

April Hernandez Castillo Website

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Eudania Burrell is a New York native, mother, sister, Gigi, and an extraordinary trailblazer in real estate investing who has celebrated 25 years of recovery and counting! With 20 years of experience working for the Department of Homeland Security, Eudania has inspired and touched thousands of lives. She has been a source of motivation, hope, and resilience for many, earning her a well-deserved reputation as a dedicated public servant.

Her passion for real estate investing, coupled with her unwavering determination to succeed, has led Eudania to add more feathers to her cap. She is now a successful real estate investor, business owner, and coach, among other impressive achievements. Eudania’s journey has not been without challenges, as she faced several setbacks when the world shut down due to the pandemic in March 2020. Her job stopped, and her home flooded, making things incredibly tough. But, despite the adversity, Eudania refused to let circumstances define her future.

Eudania’s life story is a testament that with determination, hard work, and access to resources, anyone can overcome any obstacle and rise above their circumstances. Here, Eudania shares how resilience and determination shaped her journey and put her on the path towards success. We discuss the power of choice, overcoming addiction, and how owning our stories helps us overcome shame and guilt. Eudania also shares insights into creating new habits that align with your life goals, how she shifted gears within her career, the importance of consistency, and much more.

What’s Inside:

How Eudania overcame her addiction through resilience and strength.
How the pandemic impacted Eudania’s work and how she shifted gears.
How to harness the simplicity of growth and take action toward your goals.

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Listen Then Speak Podcast

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Marika Messager is making waves in the realm of conscious leadership. She has a 15-year history in the financial industry and was recognized as one of the industry’s most successful equity sales professionals, making it to 7-figure annual compensation at the age of 31.

Later, she was appointed as one of the youngest female equity sales managers, supervising a team of 40 people across Europe and the Middle East. Her success in this high-flying male dominated world made her realize something essential was missing from her own career and the corporate world.

Marika’s path towards conscious leadership started 20+ years ago. She studied psychology, neuroscience, bioenergy and wellbeing and trained in integral coaching, yoga, mindfulness, and clinical hypnotherapy. This process inspired her to build a system of development that would transcend the leadership status quo.

Marika is a non-executive director and a keynote speaker on conscious leadership, emotional and intuitive intelligence, diversity, equity and inclusion. She supports various charities globally and sits on the Board of an NGO in Kenya, where she regularly organizes retreats that combine the awakening of consciousness and positive impact on society and the environment.

Here, Marika shares what sparked her inspiration to start her business and begin to spread her message. She talks about how she made the choice to show up as her true self in her career and how she experienced her masculine and feminine energies. Marika also shares how she identifies the best path forward when things change, how to identify toxicity in the workplace, and why it’s important to fill your own cup first.

What’s Inside:

What inspired Marika to start her business and spread her message?
How to identify the best path forward in times of change.
Why it’s important to put yourself first.

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Nicholas Dillon is a certified life and recovery coach and a private practice drug and alcohol counselor. He’s also an accomplished author, leadership consultant, and speaker. As a counselor, it’s Nick’s priority to create a holistic therapeutic atmosphere that promotes growth and positive change. He believes that therapy is a process that can move you toward being the healthiest version of yourself and living the life you desire.

Nick uses a variety of approaches to address his clients’ unique needs. Many of his successful treatment plans utilize a foundation of Christianity and cognitive/cognitive-behavioral therapy, then quickly move toward a tailored treatment plan and approach that includes tools to help sustain the growth experienced in regular therapy. He’s also a fan of self-compassion and mindfulness, and neuroscientific research shows these techniques make people happier, more resilient, and better equipped to heal painful memories from the past.

It's Nick’s honor and mission to help his clients move past what’s blocking them from reaching their full potential individually and in their relationships. In this conversation, Nick shares his thoughts on cognitive behavioral therapy and how everything stems from our belief systems. We also discuss how to bring mindfulness and truth into our lives, how to shift the beliefs that no longer work for us, and more.

What’s Inside:

How our belief systems shape who we are and what we do
The benefits of adding mindfulness and truth into our habits
How our past experiences influence the present

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Believe Wellness Website

Book: Who Do You Think You Are? The Power of Believing in Yourself

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Peter Schroeder started his entrepreneurial journey at the age of nine, doing a joint venture beverage business with a classmate. By 12, he was a featured Danish radio host and television reporter, seen on national news and television broadcasts. At 14, Peter created the biggest artist forum in Scandinavia, which he sold three years later to a major corporation.

By the age of 18, Peter was fully immersed in his music career as an EDM DJ named Pete Fox. He went on to launch a music label that produced several top Scandinavian artists, produced his own music, and eventually earned over 20 platinum records, 40 gold records, and multiple nominations for the Danish DJ Awards.

After almost a decade in the music industry, ending with over 380 performances in a single year, Peter had reached the top of what he wanted to accomplish in the industry. To him, music was a form of communication, and he was being called to help even more people with another way to communicate.

Peter then founded Telzio, a next generation, unified communications company. At Telzio, Peter and his team create innovative solutions to streamline and manage telecommunications for B2B. Here, Peter shares the story behind his journey from DJ to owning a communications firm. We also discuss the reality of life as an entrepreneur, how Peter found his zone of genius, and overcoming burnout.

What’s Inside:

Peter’s journey from a successful DJ to business owner
How Peter found his zone of genius
How Peter overcame burnout

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Caitlin Donovan is one of New York City’s leading burnout experts and acupuncturists, host of “Fried – The Burnout Podcast,” and author of the book "The Bouncebackability Factor: End Burnout, Gain Resilience, and Change the World". Her master’s degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine enables Caitlin to combine Eastern wisdom with her natural practicality. After performing more than 25,000 acupuncture treatments, Caitlin added 1:1 coaching, corporate workshops, and keynotes for companies such as PTC and Lululemon – all with a focus on burnout.

Cait has been featured on podcasts and online magazines such as "Forbes," “Elephant Journal,” “Thrive Global," and “Addicted 2 Success," as well as quoted in Oprah Magazine. Caitlin and her husband spent 12 years living in Europe but now make their home in New Jersey. When Caitlin is not speaking or coaching on burnout, you can find her and her husband hiking, walking with Flora (their white fluffy dog), or cross-country skiing.

In this conversation, we dig into the power of mindset and perspective. Sometimes, the hurdles we face in life can be moved out of the way, but because of society, our upbringing, and our environments, we mistakenly keep them there. Cait shares insights into how we get lost in our coping mechanisms and how we can shift into a healthier way of being. We also discuss the “zone of proximal development” and how to break the bad habit of people pleasing, how to maintain balance when achieving our goals, and how Cait overcame burnout in her own life.

What’s Inside:

Why we keep hurdles in our life even if we can move them
How to break the bad habit of people pleasing
How Cait overcame burnout

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Book - The Bouncebackability Factor: End Burnout, Gain Resilience, and Change the World

FRIED: The Burnout Podcast

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Adrian Koehler is a leadership engagement expert and senior partner at the executive coaching firm, Take New Ground. He coaches executives and entrepreneurs in the art and science of leadership for themselves, their teams, and clients to create new, unprecedented results and experience fulfillment in their work.

Adrian is the Founder and Senior Partner at Take New Ground, a leadership coaching, training, and consulting firm based in Los Angeles. TNG partners with select executives and organizations to get the results they want by creating the culture they need. He is also the co-host of two engaging podcasts: Raising The Bar with Drybar Founder Alli Webb and The Naked Leadership Podcast with TNG Sr Partner Dan Tocchini.

Drawing on his background in philanthropy, ministry, activism, and medicine, Adrian thrives in extreme environments and finds comfort in difficult conversations—in fact, his passion for human performance has taken him around the globe, serving people in times of crisis, transformation, and stalemates. Over the last decade, Adrian has trained and developed leaders at NIKE, Virgin Hyperloop One, Jeni’s Ice Cream, Herschel Supply Co., Oprah Winfrey Network, Gavin DeBecker & Associates, Siegel & Gale, UCLA, and elsewhere.

Here, Adrian shares his wisdom around leadership and the “Kairos moment” that sparked his entrepreneurial journey. Today, he works primarily with founders of new companies and we dive into how he helps them transform and harness their power. Adrian talks about why the “what do you want to be when you grow up” question is problematic and how kids learn to turn off their genius. We also discuss how to tend to your heart while chasing your dreams, how faith can help us show up authentically, and more.

What’s Inside:

How Adrian helps founders overcome obstacles
The importance of honoring your call to greatness
Information on Adrian’s upcoming training program

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The Revenant Process – Adrian’s Program

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Lan Phan is a tour de force in the realm of purpose-driven leadership and personal excellence. An acclaimed writer whose forthcoming book, 'Do This Daily’, promises to chart a transformative course for personal and professional growth, Lan is a beacon of inspiration for top-tier executives across the globe. Her profound insights have illuminated the pages of The Harvard Business Review, Forbes, and Money, offering cutting-edge strategies for thriving in today's fast-paced business environment.

With a commanding presence that has captivated audiences from the United Nations to the hallowed halls of Stanford University and NYU Law, Lan's influence stretches far beyond the stage. Through her dynamic LinkedIn and YouTube channels, she empowers tens of millions each year, earning her recognition among the elite top 100 LinkedIn creators worldwide and among the top ten in Management and Leadership. Prepare to be enlightened and inspired.

Lan shares how her family has influenced her work ethic. She came to America when she was eight months old and is the daughter of Vietnamese immigrant parents. Lan’s family had to flee the country for safety during the war, and she talks about the lessons she’s learned and kept along her journey through life. Lan shares her thoughts on emotional regulation and how she helps her clients develop their healthiest mindset. Our conversation also includes how to undo negative self-narratives, the importance of finding your true source of joy and happiness, and more.

What’s Inside:

How Lan’s upbringing influenced her life and work
How Lan helps her clients cultivate an optimal mindset
What makes a great leader in today’s world

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Brian Will is a serial entrepreneur, a two-time Wall Street Journal bestselling author, and a leading consultant in business and sales management. Throughout his dynamic career, Brian had the privilege of founding or co-founding seven highly successful companies across four distinct industries, with valuations soaring over half a billion dollars at their height. His journey has been marked by spearheading turnarounds for diverse companies, from startups to Fortune 500 firms, guiding them to generate billions in sales.

Brian’s diverse experience has equipped him with an in-depth understanding of agile methodologies and principles, allowing him to teach and implement these strategies effectively across all levels of an organization, from eager development teams to discerning executive boards.

In his current ventures, Brian’s proud to be at the helm of a flourishing chain of restaurants in the Atlanta area and managing a robust portfolio of residential and commercial real estate across Georgia and Florida. In addition to his entrepreneurial endeavors, Brian is dedicated to serving his community as a member of the city council in his beloved hometown of Alpharetta, Georgia.

In this enriching conversation, Brian shares several mic-drop moments from his best-selling book, The Dropout Multi-Millionaire. From a rebellious teen to an entrepreneurial powerhouse, Brian’s journey is both inspiring and highly relatable. Brian also shares insights into mindset (or your own personal filter), emotional versus intellectual decision-making, the importance of working with a coach, and more.

What’s Inside:

All about Brian’s book, The Dropout Multi-Millionaire
The importance of mindset and spirit
How coaching leads to transformation in life and business

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Shane Bauman is the founder of RISE and has been in the financial services industry since 2011. During his 12+ years in financial services, Shane has served in the roles of Advisor, Managing Director and President. He thoroughly enjoys helping professionals actualize their dreams and pursue their passions by utilizing financial services as a platform for success.

Prior to his career in financial services, Shane worked in various leadership and sales roles in the real estate, marketing, and education sectors. His passion is in helping people reach their personal, business, and career goals. He's accomplished much of this by working with small business owners and entrepreneurs. With his extensive background in running small companies, Shane understands the challenges of wearing multiple hats while striving for the balance between a strong culture and maximum profitability.

Born and raised in Colorado, Shane acquired his Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with a minor in Visual Arts. A resident of Castle Rock, he and his wife of over 20 years, Jenni, have 3 amazing children- his son, Kade, and his daughters, Graissen and Macie. In his spare time, Shane enjoys hiking, fishing, men's ministry, reading, movies, and music.

Here, Shane shares how he founded RISE and what inspired him to start transforming clients’ lives. At one point, he became disillusioned with his industry, but he prayed on it and his faith guided him to change up the game. We also discuss Shane’s experiences with burnout and finding his “why,” how Shane is able to hold space for his clients, and more.

Shane Bauman is a Registered Representative and Financial Advisor of Park Avenue Securities LLC (PAS). Securities products and advisory services offered through PAS, member FINRA, SIPC. Financial Representative of The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America® (Guardian), New York, NY. PAS is a wholly owned subsidiary of Guardian. RISE is not an affiliate or subsidiary of PAS or Guardian. This podcast is for informational purposes only. Guest speakers and their firms are not affiliated with or endorsed by PAS, Guardian, or RISE and opinions stated are their own. 2023-166158 Exp. 12/25

What’s Inside:

How Shane started RISE and the impact of his faith
How to avoid burnout and find your “why”
How Shane holds space for his clients

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Dr. Mike Van Thielen is a biohacking expert and the Medical Director at ClariGenZ Health, an innovative medical company with a new pill providing all the benefits of Adderall without any of the harmful side effects. He is also a treating physician for Boston Neuro Pain and Psych Centers, helping tens of thousands of patients with chronic pain and mental health conditions.

As an entrepreneur with a proven track record of establishing and developing successful business operations, Dr. Mike owned several anti-aging clinics in central and northeast Florida. He also spent time as the CEO of an innovative stem cell clinic, treating top athletes, including NFL players and heavyweight boxing champions.

Dr. Mike loves to give back to the community and has managed to start funding treatment for paralyzed veterans in urgent need of stem cell therapy. He also helps veterans pro-bono with their health challenges. Dr. Mike is also a best-selling author and a TEDx speaker.

Here, Dr. Mike shares insight into the aha moments that continue to lead him down his entrepreneurial journey. He also shares how his research into mental health and purpose fueled him to write his latest book. We discuss how influential mindset and belief systems are on physical health, dopamine’s role in moving towards our goals, how toxins affect the body, and more.

What’s Inside:

The importance of a purpose-driven life and its impacts on mental health
How dopamine plays into accomplishing our goals
How toxins and inflammation affect the body

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Fred Cary is an internationally known entrepreneur and business thought leader with over three decades of leadership experience and transformational strategies that have resulted in billions of dollars in corporate value. His success stories cross boundaries. He has built high-growth businesses in finance, software, mobile technologies, data, retail, consumer products, strategic services, and e-commerce.

As the CEO of IdeaPros, Fred has helped hundreds of brilliant entrepreneurs find their purpose and create their legacy. He produces a weekly show for entrepreneurs that has been viewed by over 4 million people, and his advice as a thought leader and business expert is widely sought after by both startup entrepreneurs and much larger companies.

Fred knows all about how to make money. We start our conversation with a discussion around the pain point in his journey that led him to start giving back. Statistically, most entrepreneurs are what Fred calls “outsiders”, meaning they’re not from an Ivy League school with top notch connections. Fred’s mission is to turn those outsiders into insiders. We talk about some of the biggest mistakes entrepreneurs make, the importance of building a legacy, and why you shouldn’t be afraid of failure. We also discuss the impact entrepreneurship has on your mental health and offer advice for those considering the entrepreneurial journey.

What’s Inside:

How Fred turns “outsider” entrepreneurs into insiders
Common entrepreneurship mistakes and misconceptions
Advice for those considering the entrepreneurial journey.

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Dr. Ardeshir Mehran, psychologist, bestselling author, and behavioral researcher, has unveiled a groundbreaking approach in his Amazon new-release bestseller, "You Are Not Depressed. You Are Un-Finished." He has a captivating perspective that challenges the traditional view of mental illness.

In his revolutionary work, Dr. Mehran introduces "The Bill of Emotional Rights," a manifesto for lifelong motivation and fulfillment. By exploring the untapped territory of our unfulfilled emotions and unfinished life paths, he offers a transformative path to conquer depression and anxiety.

Dr. Mehran's compelling insights have attracted the attention of executives, high-achievers, entrepreneurs, and founders seeking a fresh perspective on mental well-being. With a doctorate and master's from Columbia University, Ardeshir brings a wealth of expertise to the table.

Here, Dr. Mehran shares what inspired him to paint outside the lines when it comes to psychology. He became fascinated with depression from an early age and became curious about it within himself and his own family. We also discuss Dr. Mehran’s work with schizophrenic patients, how he developed the Bill of Emotional Rights, and what keeps him up at night.

What’s Inside:

How Dr. Mehran shaped his unique views on depression and mental illness
The true causes of emotional suffering and how we can heal

Information about Dr. Mehran’s upcoming virtual workshop

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Book: You Are Not Depressed. You Are Un-Finished

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What’s Inside:

How Sandy makes magic with her high-profile clients
The connection between mental and physical health
Why Sandy wrote her children’s book, I Am Who I Am

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Sandy Grigsby is a self-image coach, personal brand consultant, and personal branding photographer. Here, we talk about the power of Sandy’s photography and brand work and how she helps her clients truly see themselves. We also discuss overcoming people-pleasing, the connection between mental and physical health, and why Sandy wrote her children’s book, I Am Who I Am.

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Speaker, podcast host, and money mindset coach Jordan Pendleton helps passionate entrepreneurs live their purpose and profit so they can make an impact on the world. Jordan founded her company, Mind Body Wallet, in late 2016 after leaving a successful career as a financial advisor. From the outside, it looked like Jordan had it all, but behind closed doors, she was fighting a battle with anxiety and health issues and going into debt. Today, she’s on a mission to help entrepreneurs transform the way they view and use money so they can experience real financial freedom while being their authentic selves.

Jordan and I discuss how following society’s norms can hold us back from going deeper into our own fulfillment and gratification in life. She helps others come back to themselves and what they’re here to do, breaking the pattern of getting caught up in what we feel like we should do. Jordan shares the story of her own evolution from high achiever to rebel and how she found her way to entrepreneurship. Jordan and I also discuss how repressing our true selves leads to burnout, hitting rock bottom and getting to the root issues, and how our shame keeps us stuck.

What’s Inside:

Jordan’s personal story of overcoming burnout and choosing to live authentically.
How following society’s norms can hold us back from discovering who we are.
How our shame and addictions keep us stuck.

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Pjero Mardesic is an Australian executive coach, speaker, therapist, facilitator, and poet. He’s also the author of Conquer the Uncomfortable and Unleash Your Potential, as well as the host of The Boy Behind the Man Podcast. Pjero and I discuss his former addiction to instant gratification and pornography and how it helped him create his program, Addicted to Grow. We also talk about the effects adult content has on men and women, addiction and the brain, and how to overcome our challenges in life and business.

What’s Inside:

Why people’s lack of belief in themselves bothers Pjero the most.
How Pjero’s experience with addiction shaped his life and business.
The impacts of adult content on men and women.

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What’s Inside:

How Mita’s childhood shaped who she is today.
How a lack of inclusion impacts mental health.
Myths about DEI.

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Mita Mallick is an inclusion champion, crafting brands with purpose. She’s also the author of a new book called Reimagine Inclusion, which debunks 13 myths about DEI and implements effective strategies for transformative inclusivity. Mita shares insights into how exclusion impacts mental health, challenges faced by mothers and women of color in the workplace, why diversity and inclusion start at home, and much more.

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Sanyika “the Firestarter” Street helps men build profitable service-based businesses. He’s also a keynote speaker and the host of Going All-In, A Podcast for Men. While he was trying to find his voice, Sanyika decided to stop speaking and start listening, and that’s when everything changed. The most powerful thing he began to hear was what was going on beneath the surface, especially the narratives and stories men tell themselves. Many people were trying to build successful businesses on the surface level, but under the surface, there was a great deal of what Sanyika refers to as the three “Uns”: feeling unlovable, unworthy, and misunderstood.

Sanyika and I talk about standing firmly in the role God calls them into and what men can do to stop sending that call to voicemail. Because of the culture we live in, many of us would rather be informed than transformed. We discuss how our childhood experiences impact us, and Sanyika shares his own stories about navigating core wounds. Our conversation also includes how women can get closer to the men in their lives through vulnerability, parenting your parents, being a chain breaker, and how we can grow through discomfort.

What’s Inside:

Why men need to stop sending God’s call to voicemail.
How to navigate core wounds and transmute the energy.
How to grow through discomfort.

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Shaahin Cheyene is the CEO and chairman of a brain nutrition startup called Accelerated Intelligence. He’s also the president and founder of Podcast Cola, an award-winning entrepreneur, writer, filmmaker, and public speaker. We kick off our discussion with why Shaahin loves Bob Marley and how music brings people from all walks of life together. We also talk about Shaahin’s journey as a serial entrepreneur, which began at a very young age. He shares insights into how hunger was a main driver of his success and why he believes that kind of hunger can’t be taught.

Shaahin talks about why failure isn’t a bad thing and shares lessons he learned through practicing jiu jitsu. As an entrepreneur, you can’t always go for the win right away. Sometimes just going from a bad position to a slightly less-bad position is still great progress. Shaahin shares how he helps people create Amazon businesses and the differences between those who succeed and those who don’t. We talk about Shaahin’s book Billion, his struggles with impostor syndrome, and how he built his Herbal Ecstasy empire. Shaahin also talks about his non-negotiables in his routines, the people he meets, and how he deals with relationships.

To get access to Shaahin’s course for free, send him an email with the subject line, “Listen Then Speak.”

What’s Inside:

Why hunger was the main driver of Shaahin’s success as an entrepreneur.
Lessons Shaahin learned from jiu jitsu.
Shaahin’s non-negotiables when it comes to routines, experiences, and relationships.

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In this follow up conversation with author and empowerment strategist JJ Flizanes, we continue our dialogue around living out our purpose and owning our power. JJ and I start by discussing a quote from author Marianne Williamson that she included in her book. The quote speaks to our deepest fears of being powerful beyond measure. Playing small puts ourselves and others at a disadvantage because when we shine, we give permission for others to do so as well. Being who you are is exactly who you need to be, and JJ touches on how this authenticity is essential for leadership.

Sometimes trauma impacts a person’s ability to live out their purpose. JJ and I discuss her perspectives on grieving, victim mentality, and lessons learned through life experiences. JJ believes those who have been impacted by hardships and trauma can use the wisdom they have gained to help others. She also touches on the power of forgiveness and keeping your heart open. JJ and I also talk about trying on different belief systems, the transformational power of changing your perspective, and how coaches and managers can “be on purpose.”

What’s Inside:

JJ’s views on forgiveness and how we choose our life lessons.
How changing your perspective can transform your life.
Tips for coaches and professionals on how to “be on purpose”.

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What’s Inside:

How JJ transitioned from fitness to holistic wellness.
How core wounds can shape our life journeys.
How we can nurture and use our unique gifts.

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JJFlizanes.com

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JJ Flizanes is the author of multiple books, including Invisible Fitness Formula, Fit to Love, and Absolute Abs. She’s also an empowerment strategist working with spiritual truth seekers looking to remove emotional blocks to success, health, business, and life. JJ shares her wisdom about how not being understood shaped her journey, core wounds, questioning and rebellion, and more.

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What’s Inside:

Katie’s career journey from marketing and copywriting to meditation.

The importance of knowing who we want to become.

How to use meditation to aid your self-discovery journey.

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Katie Krimitsos is the creator of the Women’s Meditation Network Podcast and she’s passionate about giving women the tools, strategies, and inspiration to live lives they truly love. Here, Katie and I discuss her career journey and the importance of knowing who you want to become in life. We also talk about self-discovery, dating, and how to use meditation to guide your life’s journey.

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Zach Hoffman is an award-winning author, transformation coach, and founder of an organization called SWALeadership. My conversation with Zach dives into servant leadership and how his life experiences lead him to make that a focus. As an American football player in Europe, Zach was looked up to by many, especially youth. He realized that sports were his platform to reach people, not his purpose. Zach believes that if you want to earn the respect of others and have them feel you as a person, you have to make it about them, not you. We also talk about emotional intelligence and why it’s a key component of leadership. Being genuine and vulnerable goes a long way in terms of inspiring others and being a good mentor.

When Zach set out to write his book, he originally intended for his organization name to stand for Swiss Army Leadership, however he changed his mind while going through the publishing process. Due to copywriting issues, he was looking for another name that would fit both his core message and his journey as a former athlete. He then came up with Sensible Worldwide Adaptable Leadership. Zach learned that effective leadership requires you to embrace globalization and intercultural competence. Being able to adjust like a Swiss Army knife to your environment and an ever-changing world is critical for modern day leaders.

What’s Inside:

The importance of servant leadership and what it means.
Why street smarts and book smarts go hand in hand in effective leadership.
Why it’s important to get into the trenches with your clients as a coach.
How to deal with ageism in coaching and business.
The difference between real and fraudulent leadership.

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Julie Hruska is a high-performance strategist and a certified performance coach. She also has a master’s degree and is the owner of the company Powerful Leaders. Julie specializes in guiding people into a life they love through the development of high-performance habits in the areas of career, relationships, health, and finances. Julie also works closely with companies and corporations to develop high-performance cultures where employees are motivated and engaged. Julie and I discuss boundaries and why they’re so important in our personal and professional lives and Julie shares how her own journey shaped her path.

Julie grew up with a strict mother who often broke her spirit, both physically and emotionally. This created an energy of fear that made her doubt her worth and have poor boundaries with others. She had an awakening in her early thirties that made her realize she was living a life that wasn’t hers. Julie also realized that much of what she went through when she was younger was due to a lack of boundaries. Her faith is what ultimately pulled her through some tough life changes and helped her keep going down the path even when she couldn’t fully see it. Establishing strong boundaries is an ongoing journey in life, and Julie shares five ways to make sure your boundaries are bulletproof.

How Julie’s journey shaped who she is today.

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How Julie’s journey shaped who she is today.
Julie’s awakening and how she broke generational cycles within her own family.
The importance of boundaries and how to set them.

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In Part One of this conversation with Joy Donnell, we went deep. Joy’s perspective truly helps people think beyond the surface level, which continues here in Part Two. In her book, “Beyond Brand”, Joy discusses changing narratives with the use of media. Here, she shares the moments that led to her getting to into media. Joy is dedicated to doing things differently while honoring her lineage. Questioning the origins of stories is a big theme within Joy’s book. After hitting a physical wall of burnout from overworking, Joy was forced to take a time out and question her own journey and purpose. She realized then that she wanted to live a creative life and tap into it as part of her self-care and healing.

When we begin with the end in mind, we can tap into what’s underneath so many of the stories and narratives we’re fed. If you’re a storyteller, it’s your job to uncover what’s beneath the surface. Self-compassion is the key when honoring your needs to rest and take care of yourself. Early in her career, Joy didn’t have the self-compassion she has today and didn’t honor her body and its needs. She shares her routines and how she makes sure it’s a number one priority.

What’s Inside:

How Joy decided to use media to make an impact.
Joy’s wake up call to honoring her purpose and creativity.
How Joy balances self-care and rest with hustling and working

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Do It In Public

Hey, SUPERJOY

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Beyond Brand: Master Your Power, Joy, and Media To Live Your Legacy

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Joy Donnell is a producer, writer, and co-founder of CIME, the Center for Intersectional Media and Entertainment. CIME provides research and resources for storytelling, equity, and Hollywood. Her recent book, “Beyond Brand”, dives into how to use media to live and leave our cultural legacy. Joy has spoken heavily on Hollywood production codes, an era which lasted about 30 years where Hollywood chose to inflict morality standards. These codes essentially taught human beings how to be and included things like suppressed sexuality and not showing race mixing. It was bewildering for Joy to discover, and we discussed how it affected her.

When Joy wrote her book, she wanted to talk about embodiment and disembodiment. At speaking engagements, people would always ask her how to build a brand while remaining authentic. Many people think their brand needs to mimic their authenticity, but it’s really the other way around. Focusing on your cultural legacy brings people back into their bodies, which is the only way you’re able to be human. Joy shares a transformational story from her childhood when she first discovered the dark history of racism in this country and the body she was born into. She felt a range of emotions, but also felt what she calls a divine spark of defiance that helped shape her career and worldview.

Joy has a lot more to share, so don’t forget to check out Part 2 of this episode.

What’s Inside:

Hollywood's production codes and how they shaped an era of global entertainment.
Why focusing on your legacy helps you embrace your authenticity.
How Joy surrenders to the body and honors the power of rest.

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