Husband In Law: Recent Episodes
Jessica Frew, Steve, Matt Frew
Hey Friend! If you are new here, be sure to start with Episode One. This is not your typical podcast and you aren’t going to want to miss a thing! Jessica, Steve (her gay ex husband) and Matt (her current husband) are sharing their stories of love, marriage, infidelity, divorce, coming out, remarriage and co-parenting to help others know they are not alone. This podcast is for those who are open-minded enough to let go of the religious and social norms we have been taught we should fit into and live a life that feels true and authentic to who they are. Steve, Jessica, and Matt are here to walk through the science of making relationsh!t successful.
Steve and Jessica were happily married for 7 years until Steve came out as being gay which inevitably ended in divorce. Now, Matt and Jessica have been happily married for over 8 years. The crazy part is, Matt, Jessica, and Steve all get along, to the extent that Matt and Steve work together, every dang day… Don’t worry you will get all the details while you listen. Matt, Jessica, and Steve have a relationship that, by most standards, would be considered atypical.
Sharing stories of love, marriage, children, divorce, the struggles of religious norms, homosexuality, and trying to be our best selves, this podcast holds nothing back and shares what most people are scared to talk about.
Listen in as they take you on this journey of learning how to love and accept themselves enough to love and accept others for who they are during this experience called “Life”.
Connect with the Husband In Law crew: https://theboldlogic.com
I am guessing most of you know, or assume you know, who I voted for. We all feel passionately about who we voted for and why. At this point, everyone has big feelings, so let's be kind.
Now that the election is over, I have several concerns, the most immediate being that we take a minute to make decisions that are in alignment with who we are and not made in haste driven by anger, joy, rage, excitement, pain, or entitlement.
What we saw happen last election season with the white house being stormed was unacceptable, and I really hope we find it within us to be examples of taking the higher ground. This doesn’t mean we don’t have a voice. It means that we show up in ways that prove who we really are and what we stand for.
We do this by not suppressing whatever feelings we are currently having, but by acknowledging those feelings in safe places.
But how do we do that?! Where do we start?!
Schedule a free call with Jessica here! (https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/healingcall)
If you want to commit to clarity and movement forward now, claim a 1:1 coaching session now before they are gone! Click here to schedule! (https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/one-on-one-coaching-call-clone)
Know a decision needs to be made but not sure what decision to make? I got you boo.
It feels like a lot when we know a shift needs to happen in your life but don’t know what exactly to do. You may feel stuck, overwhelmed, and insecure. You may feel unworthy or undeserving of the thing that is calling to you. Whatever it is that you are feeling, this episode is going to help you see it, acknowledge it, and start moving forward.
In today’s episode, I will be sharing 5 things to be aware of to get you the clarity you are looking for.
Want more?! Let’s go!!!
Schedule a free call with Jessica here!
If you want to commit NOW and get things moving asap! Claim a 1:1 coaching session now before they are gone! Click here to schedule!
Whatever option you picked above, click here to add on the BOLDology journal. It will help you track the five points talked about in this episode.
When the decision means releasing your identity and stepping into a new one, today I am sharing four things that feel scary about making a decision that feels like it is requiring us to release an identity we have been carrying.
Join the BOLD Diggers Membership and get the Holiday Boundaries Class for FREE! https://nextbestdecision.com/bolddigger
Get on a free call with Jess! https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/healingcall
Here’s the truth about your procrastination and chronic fatigue…
It isn’t because you are lazy.
It isn’t because you lack motivation.
It has nothing to do with you, your ability to make stuff happen, or your worth, (because you are a badass and nothing can take that away from you).
But if you are wanting to understand why you are always feeling tired and constantly procrastinating, this episode is for you.
Start 2025 off powerfully with me and a room full of people ready to leave old patterns of decision making behind to embrace a life that feels really freaking good by joining me at the Decision Lab Experience. Code: PODCAST for 25% off. (https://nextbestdecision.com/decisionlabboise)
Let’s break down those decision making patterns NOW! Get on a call with me to see how you can. https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/connectioncall
Decision Overload, ie - anxiety, stress, sleepless night, overthinking, the ADHA spiral…
We have all been there and done that. But how did we get there? How can we tell we are in it? How do we pull ourselves out of it? Today I am sharing four ways to get yourself out of decision overload.
Start 2025 off powerfully with me and a room full of people ready to leave old patterns of decision making behind to embrace a life that feels really freaking good by joining me at the Decision Lab Experience. Code: PODCAST for 25% off.
Let’s break down those decision making patterns NOW! Get on a call with me to see how you can.
https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/connectioncall
Your New Year's Resolutions are getting you nowhere because you are doing one or more of these four things. If you want to feel fulfilled and successful next year, start making these shifts now! Spoiler alert: the last one is the basis for all the rest and what is really holding you back.
Get on a call with me. YOU DESERVE IT! https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/connectioncall
Grab your ticket to The Decision Lab Experience today! https://nextbestdecision.com/decisionlabboise
Creating a life you don't want to leave.
If you dread going home.
If you are feeling unsafe to feel the feels.
If you are powering through until _______.
If everything feels overwhelming.
Then this episode is for you!
Schedule a call with me today, and let's see if a Decision Day or 1:1 Coaching is right for you. These spots won't be available for long, so make that decision and take action now! https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/connectioncall
The Decision Lab in real life will only be 50% off until October 6th! Don't wait another day to take action so you can learn how to make decisions with clarity, confidence, and concision. nextbestdecision.com/decisionlabboise
Do you relate to today's guest? Tamara Hawes Woods is the founder of Cȯcomadre, a career and personal development platform designed to help women who are STARs (skilled through alternative routes) and SEEkers (those who lack skills, education, and experience) to achieve their dreams. She created Cȯcomadre on the heels of a personal and catastrophic financial loss that left her with only $3.59 in her bank account. Tamara experienced firsthand how difficult it can be for a capable, unpaid caretaker who has been out of the workforce to find meaningful work. She created Cȯcomadre to support women who are seeking meaningful work. Most of Cocomadre’s population may have little paid experience that translates into resumed work and needs help to understand how the job market and industries have evolved, what roles are available, and where they would be a fit. Through Cȯcomadre, STARs and SEEkers can engage with the resources, training, and partners who can help facilitate meaningful work and purpose.
Connect with Tamara and Cȯcomadre: https://www.cocomadre.com/https/classescocomadrecom/offers/iozc9kql
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cocomadre.co/
Feeling FoMo because you missed the very last BOLDly You Retreat?! Take the sting out of by signing up for the first ever in person Decision Lab. Get your ticket for 50% off for a limited time only. Claim your spot at nextbestdecision.com/decisionlabboise
Want support NOW?! Get on a call with me to see if you are a good fit for a Decision Day OR 1:1 coaching with me! Schedule your call here: https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/connectioncall
Let’s talk The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I have LOTS of thoughts about this show because I have watched it… Well, you will just have to listen to how many times I have watched it. And let me tell you, these women are making some decisions. We can all agree on that. HA! Many of which we ALL have opinions, but there is only one decision made (by two people) that really got to me.
Get on a call with me. You deserve it. Please don’t convince yourself you are wasting my time. Don’t let your brain feed you that crap. If you want a call with me, book it right now. I have limited spots open. I just invited you to do it. You are not an inconvenience! If it is on your heart, do it… like right now. https://calendly.com/jessicawiththeboldlogic/healingcall
Feel like you might be carrying around a pile of should, but not sure how much or where it is coming from? Take the Should Score Quiz and start scoping that should up today. heyjessicafrew.com/quiz
We all have excuses that we carry. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you are carrying this excuse? Is it serving you? Are you ready to release it? Join me as I tackle some of the top excuses I hear for why you can’t take aligned action in your lives. Then send me a message or drop a review, letting me know which excuse you are ready to let go of. Can you guess which excuse I use most often?
I can help you release the excuses that are holding you back. Join me in the LAST round of The Decision Lab for this year, and we will have you excuse-free by the new year… okay, maybe not completely free, but well, on your way. Claim your spot here before doors close on September 8, 2024. (https://nextbestdecision.com/decisionlab)
My friend, what communities are you a part of? Church? Family? Friends? Culture? Work? Are you sitting in them or GROWING in them?
All of these communities have a unique impact on YOU. Therefore, it is important to be intentional with the communities you are a part of. Time to ask yourself some hard questions about your communities.
Get signed up for the FREE Workshop happening TODAY! It is the last one this year. Register here!
Missed the workshop but know you want the awesomeness of The Decision Lab?! Claim your spot NOW right here. Doors close Sept. 8, 2024.
Not sure if trauma is impacting your decision-making?
Click here to take the Should Quiz to find out where and how much you are shoulding on yourself.
How do you leave trauma decision-making patterns behind?
Trauma comes in many forms, shapes and sizes. Therefore it impacts each of us in different ways and often leads to people pleasing tendencies, self sacrificing to keep the peace, and taking responsibility for other people’s thoughts, feelings and emotions. Which then directly impacts our decision making and lands us in Trauma Decision Making Patterns. How do we leave trauma decision making patterns behind? Find out in this episode of Your Next Best Decision.
Get signed up for the FREE Workshop happening on August 28th! It is the last one this year. Register here! https://nextbestdecision.com/workshop
Not sure if trauma is impacting your decision making? Take the Should Quiz to find out where and how much you are shoulding on yourself. heyjessicafrew.com/quiz
Addiction to blaming others. We all do it and probably always will. Why do we do it? How does it manifest in our lives? What do we do with it? Why does it matter? Join my favorite guest and me as we chat about all things that go into the blame game.
Ready to leave blaming and victimhood behind and take control of your life? Get signed up for the FREE Workshop happening August 28th! It is the last one this year. Register here!
https://nextbestdecision.com/workshop
The Cost of Inaction…
There is a side effect from inaction that you are not considering… By not investing mentally, physically, financially, you are giving up time, energy and connection to yourself, your kids, your family, friends, career, whatever it is that brings you joy. Today I am tackling three common excuses for inaction. Are you guilty of one or all of these?
Wins people are having in The Decision Lab:
“I realized that even in the hard times, I can still make decisions that are best for me.”
“What stood out was even though this is hard doesn’t mean it’s not the right decision for me!”
“I realized that it is okay to do things for myself. It is still scary and out of my comfort zone, but I am taking baby steps.”
“I realized there are times I need to slow down and refocus my time and energies into what matters most.”
“I am seeing the power of small steps towards a life that looks and feels good to me!”
Get on the waitlist to be the first to know when doors open for my next FREE workshop AND for The Decision Lab. https://nextbestdecision.com/waiting
Not sure if The Decision Lab (or the FREE workshop) is for you? Find out how much you are shoulding on yourself with the Should Quiz to get your answer in less than 5 minutes by clicking here.
heyjessicafrew.com/quiz
At church a few weeks ago, a lady said this to me and it has stayed with me and inspired this episode. Today we are going to have a quick chat about this one thing that you think you need to claim the life you want but that you don’t really need at all. It is time to stop asking for this…
You can get the results the ladies in the Lab are getting by making one simple decision… Get on the waitlist for The Decision Lab TODAY! https://nextbestdecision.com/waiting
Not sure if The Decision Lab (or the FREE workshop) is for you? Find out how much you are shoulding on yourself to get your answer in less than 5 minutes by taking the should score quiz at heyjessicafrew.com/quiz.
I can tell you what your problem is... So many of us have over loaded our lives. We have filled it up by doing all the things without creating the space to know if it is in alignment with what we really want. But we forget to do this one thing to find true joy, peace, happiness, and fulfillment in life.
Ready to create some space in your life? Get on the wait list for the decision lab TODAY! https://nextbestdecision.com/waiting
Not sure if The Decision Lab (or the FREE workshop) is for you? Find out how much you are shoulding on yourself to get your answer in less than 5 minutes by taking the should score quiz at heyjessicafrew.com/quiz.
We have done all the things without questioning…
We have followed the path.
We have overloaded our lives.
We have shoulded all over ourselves and allowed others to do the same.
And we are left with what? Resentment. Anger. Bitterness.
Here is what to do about it.
We are three weeks into the decision lab, and here are my favorite takeaways so far…
“I was really surprised at how many times I sat in my should, and it kept me from doing something. I feel like I am more conscious now.”
“Ready to release how other people feel about my decisions.”
“I finally feel like I put on my big girl panties and am showing up for myself.”
“I have had so many wins this week! I feel like I can finally make and ACT on the big decisions.”
“I am now aware of how much I am shoulding on myself and seeing how much I am shoulding on others.”
And my FAVE! “I am not wasting another year of my life living the ways others feel I should live.”
Do you want some of this?! Get on the wait list for the decision lab TODAY! https://nextbestdecision.com/waiting
We have all been there and done that… We have sat in a big old pile of should when it comes to our age and the timelines we envisioned for our lives. We should our pants by:
Comparing ourselves to where we thought we should be in life.
Comparing ourselves to others.
Comparing ourselves to where society has told us we should be.
It is time to clear ourselves up, put on a fresh pair of pants, and embrace what it is you actually want outside of the should.
Are you shoulding on yourself?! Not sure?! Take the “Should Quiz” to find out where and how much you are shoulding on yourself.
Get on the wait list for my next FREE workshop to help you dig yourself out of that pile of should. Wait with me here!
We will all have regrets. They are an important part of life! They provide us with information so that we can keep progressing towards what is in alignment for us. And while regrets are a part of life, there are ways we can learn to have less of them and most importantly, learn to not dwell on them or beat ourselves up for having them.
Want to know where and how much you are shoulding on yourself? Get your free Should Score by taking the 5 minute
“Should Quiz” here.
People had life-changing breakthroughs and ah-ha moments during last week's workshop, and I didn't want you to miss out! So here is one of the recordings from last week. (Minus a couple of bonuses and the Q&A. What can I say? It pays to be there live!)
Your Next Best Decision is just around the corner, along with clarity, confidence, and concision. Don't wait another minute to take action! Get signed up for the decision lab before doors close! nextbestdecision.com/decisionlab
Get signed up for the Daily Decider, where you receive tidbits of encouragement to keep making decision after decision after decision with clarity, confidence, and concision. https://theboldlogic.com/dailydecider
A story you need to hear, but I really don’t like sharing. It was the HARDEST decision of my life and was made at the lowest of lows. But it is by far one of the best decisions I have ever made.
Last chance to make your next best decision for the rest of your life... https://nextbestdecision.com/workshop
Missed the workshop? Don’t tell anyone but you can get signed up for The Decision Lab today! Where you will make one decision over the next six weeks to embrace a life of decisive decision-making from here on out. nextbestdecision.com/decisionlab
Get signed up for the Daily Decider, where you receive tidbits of encouragement to keep making decision after decision after decision with clarity, confidence, and concision. https://theboldlogic.com/dailydecider
I know you have been told it is all your fault. That you are the one that makes “bad decisions”. That your feelings are wrong. Your thoughts are wrong. Your intuition is wrong. But here is the hard truth: IT ISN’T YOUR FAULT! (Not what you thought I was going to say, eh?)
You may believe that your decider is broken, but I have good news for you: it isn’t, and neither are you. You aren’t too much of anything, and your decider is always right… maybe you just need to start trusting it a little more.
You can “repair” your decider, and I am here to support you along the way. Start HERE with the FREE “Your Next Best Decision” Workshop happening June 19th and 20th. https://nextbestdecision.com/workshop
Get signed up for the Daily Decider, where you receive tidbits of encouragement to keep making decision after decision after decision with clarity, confidence, and concision. https://theboldlogic.com/dailydecider
Do you ever ask yourself, “How the heck did I get here?” I ask myself that on the regular. Sometimes it is in awe of how awesome things are in that moment and other times it is in complete overwhelm.
Today I am tackling this topic in regards to the shift in the podcast. This decision has been a long time in the making. We were just waiting for the right timing to pull the trigger and make the change. Maybe you can relate?! Listen in to hear all about how I got to this point and what ultimately pushed me to make the switch from Husband In Law to Your Next Best Decision.
It is time to leave the weight of indecision behind and become a powerful decider. Start HERE with the FREE “Your Next Best Decision” Workshop happening June 19th and 20th. https://nextbestdecision.com/workshop
Get on signed up for the Daily Decider where you receive tidbits of encouragement to keep making decision after decision after decision with clarity, confidence and concision. https://theboldlogic.com/dailydecider
This week, we finally have Matt and Steve back on the podcast, talking about something none of us saw coming.
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Thais Gibson is here to share her experience growing up as a high-functioning addict. Listen in as she shares how she took that addiction as an opportunity to go create the Personal Development school and help others to find their way to healthy relationships.
The Personal Development School is a leading global online institution that empowers individuals with tools for self-awareness, subconscious reprogramming, and life breakthroughs. Founded by Thais Gibson in response to high demand, the school quickly expanded across 117 countries, amassing over 40 million social media views and boasting a 95%+ satisfaction rate with an 88.7% reported relationship improvement. Drawing from her extensive experience and 13 certifications, including CBT, NLP, and somatic experience, Thais Gibson developed the innovative Gibson Integrated Attachment TheoryTM. This framework, merging traditional attachment theory, developmental psychology, and potent reprogramming techniques, underpins the school’s curriculum and certification offerings. Her bestselling book, “Attachment Theory: A Guide to Strengthening the Relationships in Your Life,” has gained acclaim, while the upcoming “Learning Love: Build the Best Relationships of Your Life with Integrated Attachment Theory” was highly regarded and released in late December 2023.
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/ThePersonalDevelopmentSchool/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thepersonaldevelopmentschool/
Website - https://university.personaldevelopmentschool.com/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thais-gibson-4543ba190/
TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@thaisgibson
Join Thais’s membership today and be on the roading to healing your attachment troubles in just 90 days! Be sure to use the code Jessica50 for a 50% off discount! https://university.personaldevelopmentschool.com/collections
Tired of navigating betrayal on your own? Join the Betrayed Badass Community today! https://theboldlogic.com/bbs
How much are you shoulding on yourself?! Take the quiz here! https://heyjessicafrew.com/quiz/
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TH and Jessica met when Jessica started dating TH’s best friend from high school. They became fast friends. Not only that, their husbands were friends and while traveling, raising kids, and doing life together appeared to be perfect, something was not right in either of their relationships… And while the truth set them free, it was not an easy thing to navigate. Listen in as they share their story and how they are making it through all these things!
ABOUT exEXPERTS
Above all else, exEXPERTS and the Divorce, etc… podcast provide honest, reliable, no-nonsense professional resources to help guide you through your divorce. T.H. & Jessica support, educate, and empower people to make the best choices when faced with this paramount occurrence. It’s trustworthy, simple to navigate, easy to understand, and written especially for you by us, the exEXPERTS!
We are two best friends who got divorced at the exact same time…and although we had completely different experiences, we were lucky enough to have each other through it all.
Rising from the lack of resources, support and information during our separate journeys, along with the desire to help others maneuver through the process, we created the exEXPERTS online community and Divorce etc… podcast. We are your reality check! We are an honest, encouraging and positive space for everyone in any stage of divorce. You don’t know what you don’t know, but the exEXPERTS do!
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Tired of navigating betrayal on your own? Join the Betrayed Badass Community today! https://theboldlogic.com/bbs
How much are you shoulding on yourself?! Take the quiz here! https://heyjessicafrew.com/quiz/
Get your FREE call with Jessica today, and let's get you feeling like YOU again! https://theboldlogic.com/call
Have a question for Steve, Matt, or Jessica? Ask it here, and we will be sure to answer it in an upcoming episode. https://forms.gle/pPGHz9QxcFEgiz9B6
Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Facebook!
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Cameron met her forever partner when she was 40 and couldn’t wait to start their life together. But then, on their honeymoon, her partner started getting texts from the other woman, and she realized that maybe this wasn’t what she signed up for… It left her asking herself, where is the handbook for stepparents and co-parents?! And since there wasn’t one, she created the closest thing you could hope to find.
Cameron Normand is CEO of Stepfamily Solutions and host of The Stepmom Diaries podcast.
Through her coaching, courses, magazine, and summit, she has helped thousands of stepmoms and stepfamilies navigate their blended family lives. Cameron is a Certified Stepparent Coach, and her work has appeared in The Cut, Business Insider, CNET, and the Today Parenting Team, among others. Previously, Cameron spent 23 years working in politics, first on Capitol Hill, then leading policy strategy in various leadership roles at two of the world’s top movie studios. She serves on several non-profit boards and was named one of the Washington Business Journal’s “Women Who Mean Business.” Cameron received her BA from the University of South Carolina and her JD from Emory University School of Law.
In her spare time, she loves to travel with her husband and try to rein in her energetic puppy, Ernest Hemingwoof.
Want to feel less alone in your journey as a stepmom today?! Sign up for the FREE Stepmom Summit happening April 25, 2024 https://jessica0821--stepfamilysolutions.thrivecart.com/2024-ultimate-access-pass-fast-action/61128c9ab5f26/
As if the stepmom summit wasn’t enough, here is another free gift from Cameron: 10 Daily Habits of Healthy Stepfamilies: www.stepfamilysolutions.com/daily-habits
Connect with Cameron:
www.stepfamilysolutions.com
instagram.com/stepfamilysolutions
Facebook.com/stepfamilysolutions
TikTok.com/@stepfamilysolutions
Get your FREE call with Jessica today, and let's get you feeling like YOU again! https://theboldlogic.com/call
Have a question for Steve, Matt, or Jessica? Ask it here, and we will be sure to answer it in an upcoming episode. https://forms.gle/pPGHz9QxcFEgiz9B6
Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Facebook!
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Karen and Catherine both personally experienced the anxiety that comes from finances during divorce and decided to do something about it. Taking Catherine’s financial background and Karen’s law background, they developed Divorce Solutions, and they are here to help you feel empowered as you navigate the financial ins and outs of divorce.
Co-founding a fintech company that would revolutionize the divorce sector was not what either of us set out in life intending to do, but our experience, skills and life events turned out to leave us perfectly placed to set up this business together.
Catherine was a financial planner who went through a painful divorce and vowed to help women understand their marital estate so they did not get taken advantage of at such a vulnerable time in their lives. As part of this bigger purpose, she took on further training to become a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst.
She quickly realized that the problems with the divorce industry were much bigger than just financial awareness. In fact, she started to understand that there were systemic issues throughout the entire divorce process.
Catherine had the expertise to tackle the financial element of the problem, but she needed someone who had experience with the legal process of divorce who would share her perspective and join her mission. Fortunately, around this time, a colleague introduced her to Karen, knowing that Karen also had a passion for helping empower women through her nonprofit. Catherine also learned that Karen had extensive professional experience as a paralegal and law firm business manager – and, like Catherine, she’d been through a divorce herself, and her experiences had convinced her that the system needed reform. With aligned incentives and joint commitment, Divorce U Solutions and My Divorce Solution was born in January 2016.
Join Catherine, Karen, and Jess at the Power of Me Conference! https://goodthingsaregonnacome.com/power-of-me-2023/
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YouTube:
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Website: https://mydivorcesolution.com/
Join our Community! https://community.mydivorcesolution.com/landing?space_id=6831212
Want to feel less alone in your journey as a stepmom today?! Sign up for the FREE Stepmom Summit happening in just a couple of weeks! https://jessica0821--stepfamilysolutions.thrivecart.com/2024-ultimate-access-pass-fast-action/61128c9ab5f26/
Get your FREE call with Jessica today, and let's get you feeling like YOU again! https://theboldlogic.com/call
Have a question for Steve, Matt, or Jessica? Ask it here, and we will be sure to answer it in an upcoming episode. https://forms.gle/pPGHz9QxcFEgiz9B6
Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Facebook!
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On their first date, Ginger’s now husband told her he wanted to marry her and have 10 kids together… Since that didn’t make her turn and run, it isn’t surprising that their relationship has beaten the second marriage odds and come out on the other side. Listen in as Ginger shares her family's story and the amazing work that has come out of it.
Ginger Dellaripa is a loving wife to her husband and a dedicated mother of five children. She is also a co-founder of The Family Core Organizational Platform, with a mission focused on helping families manage and organize day-to-day responsibilities with a generational mindset.
Driven by her faith, Ginger aims to positively impact the kingdom through serving families globally. She strives to spread the message of faith, love, and the value of family to those around her. She is deeply committed to her family and her faith, striving to create a harmonious balance between the two in her life and everyone she encounters.
Pick up Ginger’s FREE Co-Parenting App today and start taking the stress out of navigating all things blended families. www.thefamilycore.com
Connect with Ginger on Instagram @thefamilycore (https://www.instagram.com/thefamilycore)
Shoot The Family Core as email at: info@thefamilycore.com
Want to feel less alone in your journey as a stepmom today?! Sign up for the FREE Stepmom Summit happening in just a couple of weeks! https://jessica0821--stepfamilysolutions.thrivecart.com/2024-ultimate-access-pass-fast-action/61128c9ab5f26/
Get your FREE call with Jessica today, and let's get you feeling like YOU again! https://theboldlogic.com/call
Have a question for Steve, Matt, or Jessica? Ask it here, and we will be sure to answer it in an upcoming episode. https://forms.gle/pPGHz9QxcFEgiz9B6
Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Facebook!
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Mixed orientation marriage, conversion therapy, loss, and coming out on the other side of it all. This couple shares how their individual stories brought them together and how they are now helping others going through similar things. You will want to give these men a big old hug after you listen to their story.
Be sure to get your ticket for their coming up event for LGBTQ individuals. Please share with loved ones who might need this resource as well. www.liveoutproud.org
Find them on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/live_out_proud/ or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083383176774
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Linda and Christopher were best friends before they became romantically involved. She had always been told that your best friend is who you should be with, so why not take things to the next level?! But after dating, marriage, and a couple of kids, there was still something missing. She used the rhetoric of being a tired mom, being touched out, etc, to explain it away why she didn’t want to be intimate with her husband until one day she found something on TikTok that changed her in ways she never expected…
You can find Linda on Social Media under the name Fruitsofmotherhood, helping moms laugh, cry, and feel seen as they navigate the ups and downs of motherhood.
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In 2017 Elena Joy was in a heteronormative relationship, a member of the Mormon church, and a stay-at-home mom to four kids. Her husband was the scoutmaster and on his way to being bishop when, one evening, a friend made a comment that made her rethink everything she had been taught and everything she knew about herself. Join us as Elena Joy shares how she went from her darkest days to filling this world with more hope, joy, and love.
Featured in the award-winning documentary CONVERSION, Elena Joy Thurston is an inspirational Diversity & Allyship speaker, trainer, and author through a lens of LGBTQ+ inclusion. Elena Joy inspires her audiences to learn how Inclusive Leadership can improve company culture and productivity, changing members' lives in a practical way. A Mormon mom of four who lost her marriage, her church, and her community when she came out as a lesbian, her viral TEDx talk on surviving conversion therapy has been viewed more than 45,000 times and landed her media and speaking opportunities with ABC, CBS, Penn State, Peloton, INBOUND, and more.
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Link to Elena Joy’s Ted Talk on Conversion therapy. https://www.ted.com/talks/elena_joy_thurston_conversion_therapy_almost_took_my_life_mindfulness_saved_it
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Dillion tried to be as diligent as he could so that the gay would go away. He knew from a young age that he was gay but wasn’t sure what it was. But after doing all the things… It was time to come out. Even knowing his truth, the fear of coming out to his wife was real, and the questions raced through his mind… Will she leave? Will she blast me on social media? What horrible things are people saying about me?
Here is Dillion’s story.
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Marty and Brandi have been married for 12 years (15 years together), but what happens when his wife confronts him about whether he is still attracted to her? Doesn’t she remember that he “was gay” before they got married? His response was honest and changed the rest of their lives.
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You have probably heard me allude to it, but today, I am tackling it head-on. I have heard from women over and over again, "Jessica, I am feeling all the same things you are describing, but I didn't have a partner come out." Why is that? Is that weird? I am here to answer all your questions about why you are feeling all the same things. Let’s dive into how your experience may feel similar, even though it is different.
It is time for intentional healing AND to figure out what you want when you “grow up” after betrayal… Which is really like a Glow Up! Come learn how to connect back to YOU at the FREE “What Now?!” Workshop on February 21, 2024. Claim your spot now! https://theboldlogic.com/whatnowworkshop
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After 28 years of marriage and trying all the things to make their marriage work, Britt and her Ex decided it was time to part ways. Britt has done a LOT of intentional healing and wants to share the beauty that has come out of this experience. She will be joining The BOLD Logic Coaching team in March to support you on a very sensitive part of your healing journey.
It is time for intentional healing AND to figure out what you want when you “grow up” after betrayal… Which is really like a Glow Up! Come learn how to connect back to YOU at the FREE “What Now?!” Workshop on February 21, 2024. Claim your spot now! https://theboldlogic.com/whatnowworkshop
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With religious pressures dominating their mindsets, Jenica and her co-parent did the right thing and “followed the path,” hoping it would bring the peace and joy they were looking for… but what happens when it doesn’t?
Jenica met her co-parent in high school and was turned off by what she determined was his “need for attention.” But after a couple of years, he came back around, and the “cool kid” started to get more interesting. Eventually, he was there every day, filling her days.
Ready to leave perfect partner syndrome behind by connecting back to YOU?! Join us for the FREE “What Now?!” Workshop on February 21, 2024. You can get on the waitlist now and be the first to claim your spot. You will not want to miss this FREE Workshop that only happens once this spring! (https://theboldlogic.com/whatnowworkshop)
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When Bri started to notice her clothing and shoes were stretched out, she thought her mom must be sneaking into her closet. When she went to confront her mom, the unexpected happened.
Bri did all the things right. And then she went even harder to guarantee she was doing enough to have the perfect life she had been promised. She figured if putting “one dollar of effort” into the vending machine would get her the perfect husband, family, and life, then putting $100 would leave nothing to chance. She didn’t want there to be any “skeletons in the closet.” But then God laughed because he had His own plans for her. Just like you can’t pray the gay away, you can’t “buy” the perfect life.
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Meike had just lost her first husband when she met Fletcher. He came into her life at just the right time to start making her laugh again. Fast forward 14 years into their relationship when no one was laughing… Fletcher was angry, and she couldn’t figure out what was going on. It all came to a head on a vacation in England when Meike told him she was done dealing with his anger and asked him to leave.
Was this the beginning of the end or just the beginning?
How do you feel when you wake up in the morning? Are you ready to wake up with a smile? Join us for the FREE “What Now?!” Workshop happening in February 2024. You can get on the waitlist now and be the first to claim your spot. You will not want to miss this FREE Workshop that only happens twice a year. You can be smiling again sooner than you think. (https://theboldlogic.com/whatnowwaitlist)
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When Kaylyn’s husband disclosed to her that he was gay, she felt hurt and betrayed and that she didn’t deserve this. Then this thought came to her, and it shifted how she was showing up to the relationship… Listen in to find out what thought helped her to show up in a way that felt more in alignment with who she is.
While Kaylyn and her husband hoped to stay together, it became exhausting to carry the load of not being true to who they both were. She had the realization that in order to have the life she wanted, she had to give up the life she had envisioned.
Ready to learn to trust again? Trust yourself and others? Searching for a support system but haven’t found one that gets it? I have got you boo. Get on the waitlist for the FREE workshop happening in February (https://theboldlogic.com/whatnowwaitlist), AND get on the Waitlist for the September Retreat (https://theboldlogic.com/retreatwaitlist). Early bird pricing is ONLY available January 28th - Feb. 4th!
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Brandi and Marty have been married for 12 years (15 years together), but what happens when Brandi confronts Marty about being attracted to her? His response triggers a truth she had pushed from her mind for many years. With his honest response came the realization that their relationship would never be the same. Listen in as they navigate through all the things. And remember - your story is your own. It gets to look and feel a way that is right for YOU with no apologies.
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Join Jessica as she spills the tea! Here's what is coming to the podcast over the next four months. Plus a host of things you do NOT want to miss out on.
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RETREAT!!! There is only ONE spot left, and doors are closing SOON! Does it have your name on it? Email Jessica@theboldlogic.com to claim it!
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Have you ever failed? Are you in a season right now where you are failing? Then you do not want to miss this week's episode, where I am joined by AnaLee Hjelm and Sharon Costanzo, two amazing coaches who failed hard right alongside me. We want you to know you are not alone in your season of failing. Let’s fail forward together.
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I am done trying to be a better version of myself. I am done trying to be my best self. I want to simply be myself. Damn, that sounds magical. What if we tried a new approach to this new year? Do you want to join me as I focus on how I want to feel instead of what I want to do? This episode is about how I want to feel in 2024. I would love to hear how YOU want to FEEL.
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Hear us screw up parenting (specifically co-parenting) in real-time... But for reals, we let the child do the communicating, we let a text influence a decision before talking about it, and we really screwed the pooch on this one.
Let this be your reminder that mistakes will be made. It is important to show grace for yourself and others when those mistakes are made. It will all be okay because, as Marie Forleo says, "Everything is Figure Outable."
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Has your but, not to be confused with your butt 🍑, ever gotten in the way of you living your best life? Well today spicy Jess is coming out to talk all about your but. This is going to be interactive. So grab a pen and paper, get settled in and ready to dig deep.
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As promised, today we are answering one of your questions. We share what our relationships are like with our now ex in laws and extended families as well as what it has taken for us to get here 12 years post divorce.
Early Bird pricing has ended, but you can still get your spot at the boldly you retreat! Give yourself the ultimate gift this holiday season by claiming your spot to the BOLDly You Retreat today!! https://theboldlogic.com/januaryretreat
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Jessica here. I have been drifting this last 6 weeks. We have had a LOT going on, but I have been unable to figure out what I wanted to do when things settled. Then things settled, and I was not myself. I felt I was forcing something but also doing nothing... Weird dynamic to be in. Maybe you are in that now or have felt that way before. If so, I am dropping my best advice in today's episode. Let me know what you think!
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Steve, Matt and Jess sit down with the most recent participants of the Boldly You Retreat to share 3 things that have made their relationship work. The the open up the floor for a Q&A. What will they ask the retreat attendees ask? Who gets put on the spot? Tune in to find out!
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Jessica, Matt and Steve take on NYC! Matt and Steve are pissed at Jessica for it. Plus Steve gets hit by a car! Listen in to get the full story.
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Sneak peak in to what is going on in the Husband In Law Family right now... Don't worry we will be back with a full episode soon!!!
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Because we worry about our kids so dang much and want to do right by them… We are back talking about how to support them as they navigate their own emotional health and anxieties. This conversation the Lindsay Miller, the Stress Nanny, is one not to be missed. Lindsay helps kids transform stress into success using mindfulness, self-awareness, emotional regulation, resilience, and empathy.
You can connect with Lindsay on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/thestressnanny/
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There is a war going on in the comment section of our Instagram, and here is what I have learned from it. I hope it will resonate with you too... And always remember you, my friend, are a badass.
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Going through a divorce is hard. Then add on family pressures, societal pressures, and religious pressures, and it can lead you to an even deeper downward spiral. In this episode, we are bringing in Noelle McBride, who talks about navigating divorce in the context of a very conservative religion.
Noelle McBride was born and raised in the Pacific Northwest. After being blessed with three children during a 17-year marriage, she went through a difficult and heartbreaking divorce. Despite this hardship, Noelle experienced much healing and hope in her personal life through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Desiring to help others navigate the same trial, Noelle shares the promises and peace of the gospel in her book Beauty for Ashes: Divorce and the Latter-day Saint Woman.
She is a professional motivational speaker and teacher with over 20 years of experience counseling many women in groups and one-on-one. Noelle currently leads workshops for women focused on overcoming the trials and the hardships of divorce based on gospel principles. She currently serves as an ordinance worker in the Seattle Temple and in the Stake Relief Society Presidency. After a season as a single parent, Noelle eventually remarried a widower in the Columbia River Temple. They are now raising all 6 of their children together and learning the joys of navigating a blended family. On rainy days you can find her curled up in front of a fire with a warm cup of tea and a good book.
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Women stay in a marriage “for their kids” AND… because of the cost of divorce, i.e. finances. Erin Levine started Hello Divorce because she saw a need to support individuals going through a divorce so that they didn’t take a financial hit. She also wanted to facilitate amicable divorces. As a lawyer, she recognized that the legal system is not set up to do that. Join us as Erin shares where to begin if you are thinking about getting a divorce.
Erin Levine is on a mission to help divorcing spouses empower a better life ahead. She is the CEO and founder of Hello Divorce, a venture capital-backed online platform that combines easy-to-use digital tools with integrated expert help to provide quality and affordable legal help to all. Through a framework that provides support and resources for all aspects of separation, Erin has helped thousands of people navigate their divorce with less stress, avoid missteps, and reimagine their next (best) chapter.
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One of the top questions I get from people after experiencing a crisis in their relationship is, how do I show up for my kids?What do my kids need from me? In this episode, we will be tackling this question with certified coach Heather Frazier.
Heather helps parents like their teens without their teens needing to change at all! As a mother of four, she understands the emotional stamina necessary to successfully navigate the teen years. She loves helping parents find peace, connection, and even joy in situations previously thought to be impossible.
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Is it possible to turn off that voice in your head that is telling you “you should _______”. Fill in the blank. What is it that keeps running through your head, saying you are not enough? Time to crush that negative self-talk in this solo episode from Jessica.
Are you coming?! Come give me a hug and find your voice after betrayal at the first IN PERSON Boldly You After Betrayal Workshop. Early bird pricing ends soon, and spots are limited! https://theboldlogic.com/takeitbackworkshop
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Do you know how your hormones are impacting your life? Did you know that your cycle is more than just when you are bleeding? I have been in a session of growth and learning over the last five years, and the thing that has been the most eye-opening is learning about my cycle… Like beyond what they taught us in elementary school. You are going to be blown away by what my guest, Elizabeth Olson, has to share with you today.
Elizabeth will help you Calm the chaos so your hormones don’t own you.
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Let’s Talk About Sex with Amanda Louder
Let’s face it… Sex can feel scary and a bit overwhelming, especially if you have been in a relationship where there has been betrayal. Today Sex Coach Amanda Louder joins me to give you the first steps you need to gain feelings of safety and confidence in your sex life. The insights and tips she shares are game-changers.
Amanda Louder is a Certified Sex & Marriage Coach who helps Christian men & women overcome their obstacles to create a more emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically intimate relationship. She is also the host of the Sex for Saints Podcast, that has over 1.1 Million Downloads.
In addition to being a coach, Amanda is also a wife to Kevin and mom and step-mom to 5 kids, ranging in ages from 14-23. In her spare time, she enjoys reading, watching her kids play sports, fishing, and camping.
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All the information you have learned about habits in the past is only making you feel like a failure. Want to know why? Today’s guest, Monica Packer, is here to tell you all about it.
Monica Packer is passionate about teaching practical-but-deep transformation. As a top-rated podcaster and coach, she guides women to find sustainable growth by adopting progress over perfection in their identity, habits, and fulfillment. Monica is a former middle school teacher, a forever Oprah fangirl, a perpetual cookie dough maker, and a hiker. She and her husband are parents to 5 children, who are learning to like hiking, too. You can find more about Monica at aboutprogress.com and by listening to her podcast, About Progress.
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Are you comfortable standing naked in front of the mirror? Michelle Newman is going to challenge you to get naked and get comfortable with your hot body. Because here is the mother trucking deal, your body is worthy of love. It NEEDS your love. It isn’t until we start loving our bodies that we take care of our bodies. On today’s episode, Michelle is going to help you get started. Her mission is for you to know that you are not defined by the way your body appears.
Michelle comes from the personal training and nutrition world and quickly learned that the way people felt about their bodies defined how they felt about themselves. She is passionate that women understand their worth beyond how they look if they fit the mold or not. Once you understand your worth and that it is not limited to your appearance, you take better care of yourself.
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Is it time to throw that out? Organizing expert Abi Ness is here to help us clear out the crap. Whether you are wanting to get organized or you are ready to clear out the baggage from a past relationship, Abi is here to help.
Don’t miss out as Abi shares her story of how she went from a homeschooled, innocent fun-loving free girl of faith to trying to heal from an abusive drug dealer ex-boyfriend. To being thousands of dollars in debt and becoming suicidal, no longer loving or knowing who she was as a woman. Abi ended up turning it all around. She found herself, and her faith, started traveling the world, building her passion company, CNBC writing an article about her, becoming debt free, having an amazing single life, and finding the man of her dreams.
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This week we kick off our summer series of podcast episodes with a doozy. Please welcome Tony Overbay LMFT to the show. We sit down to talk about all things Narcissism. Tony lays it all out there… beware you may feel called out.
Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist, speaker, author, and podcast host. With over 8 million downloads, his award-winning podcast, The Virtual Couch, has been listened to in over 170 countries around the world. Since its release in mid-2021, his podcast Waking Up To Narcissism has been a mainstay in the "mental health" category. "Waking Up" eventually led to the creation of a private Facebook group for women in relationships with narcissistic individuals, and the "Waking Up to Narcissism - Premium Question & Answer Podcast," a subscription-based question and answer podcast that now funds a non-profit to help women pay for some of the mental health costs of being in unhealthy relationships.
Tony recently released a new "true crime meets therapy" podcast called Murder on the Couch, co-hosted with his daughter Sydney. His first book, "He's a Porn Addict, Now What? An Expert and a Former Addict Answer Your Questions," spent two years as a best-seller in the sexual health and recovery category on Amazon.
In addition to his podcast and books, Tony offers online courses for marriage, parenting, and addiction. He has been married to his high school sweetheart for 32 years and has four adult children, ages 19, 21, 23, and 25. An avid runner, he has completed over 150 marathons and ultramarathons, including over a dozen races of 100 miles or more. To learn more about Tony, visit http://tonyoverbay.com.
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We have never laughed this hard before during an episode. Which seems ironic because we are talking about S.E.X. and answering a question you asked regarding how we talk to our kids about sex in a more inclusive way. While we aren't experts, we can share our experiences. For context, here is the question that was submitted:
“I feel it's important to talk to our children openly about sex and boundaries. My oldest son told us he was gay a couple years ago. I would love for you guys to talk about how to address that with our kids whose sex lives might look different than our own. What does your ex husband wish he would have known? Honestly I hear a lot about talking to your kids about it, but they only talk about how to address "traditional" male/female sex. What do we need to educate our child differently? Where are those resources?”
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It just isn't fair! Is this how you are feeling right now in your relationship or in life? I am going to tell you something you aren't going to want to hear... Life isn't fair. It is never going to be fair. But you know what you can have in your relationship that feels even better than fairness? Listen in as Jess and Matt discuss what it is you are really looking for.
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In the words of the Spice Girls "So tell me what you want, what you really really want. I'll tell you what I want what I really really really want. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah." Except here is where we disagree... today I am asking you to think about your past. Let's talk about little you. What did you want to be when you grew up? How did you want to feel? How did you want your life to look? And why is this important for your life now?
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Things I, Jessica, used to say and/or think to make myself feel comfortable with how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the church that Matt and I are currently still an active members of, views and treats the LGBTQ Community. This conversation did NOT go how I thought it would and threw us all for a loop at the end. It did gives each of us more understanding as to where Steve, Matt and I each stand on this subject.
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Do you know what it feels like when your gut is telling you something? Do you know how to hear what your inner voice is calling you to do? Many of us have never know what is was like to trust ourselves. We have been told since we were young that we shouldn't feel "blank". That we should do this. That we shouldn't do that and it has shut down the natural gift that is in us to trust ourselves. Today we are going to talk about how we start to get that back.
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What is going through the mind of the "betrayer" or the one who comes out? Find out today as Jessica asks Steve some hard questions about what he felt and experienced after the affair.
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You won't You won't believe this... BUT WE ARE ALL BACK! And today we are answering a question sent in by YOU: What would Steve and Jessica go back and tell themselves post Steve coming out but pre affair...😬 You will not want to miss this discussion.
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We’re back! Did you miss seeing us record LIVE at Treefort? Probably because there were roughly 10 people there and I am guessing you weren’t one of them.HA! BUT that doesn’t mean you have to miss out on the action. This episode we share our live recording from Treefort.
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Today I am sharing some sad news and the gratitude I feel in it. Hold your loved ones close and please know that we love YOU!
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This episode comes to you thanks to people telling me who I can and can't be in the comments on Instagram... It is my reminder and your reminder that you get to be who ever the hell you want to be.
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Do You Feel Like…
- This isn't what your life "Should" look like and there is no moving forward?
- You have been trying to be the "perfect wife" for so long you don't know who you are any more.
- Like you have no one that understands. Do you feel no one is (or no one will) support you in the decisions you want to make.
- You don't know how your life will look now. You don't know what you want. You don't know how to feel.
- You are worried about your kids.
- You are being left behind to keep real life moving forward, when you are still struggling to get out of bed.
- You are ready for clarity and peace but don't know how to find it or if it is even possible.
Then this episode is for you.
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Matt really wanted to record about Valentine’s day, which sent us on a few different but related tangents. Join Matt and I (Jessica) as we dive into how we have betrayed each other and moments we have betrayed ourselves. Don’t miss the moment I ask Matt a question that had me holding my breath until he answered. Would you ask your partner that question? Are you both confident and humble enough to be prepared for the answer?
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It has taken me, Jessica, years to say these words to describe what I have experienced in my relationship. Was I trying to protect Steve and Matt? Was I trying to protect myself? I am still now 100% sure and I don’t know that it matters. What matters is that I am fully acknowledging what I have been through and the depth of that. Are you ready to acknowledge this within yourself?
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It’s not all laughing and teasing through hard conversations. This week emotions run high as we continue our discussion about switching up our daughter’s custody schedule. How did that really feel as co-parents navigating this big decision? Join us as we dive into the nitty gritty and finish out the conversation we started last week.
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This ends abruptly! Ever wanted to be a fly on the wall during a HARD conversation?! Well today is your lucky day. We are talking all about how we are navigating custody for Penny. After we recorded this episode we decided it warranted two episodes! So be prepared for some hard conversations, as well as an abrupt ending and what turns into some high level emotions next week… Will Steve and I come to blows? Will Matt have to break us up? It was Matt’s idea to record about this so I blame him…
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Things are shifting ever so slightly around here. You have probably heard me allude to it but today I am tackling it head on. I have heard from women over and over again, "Jessica, I am feeling all the same things you are describing but I didn't have a partner come out." Why is that? Is that weird? I am here to answer all your questions about why you are feeling all the same things. Let’s dive into how your experience may feel similar, even though it is different.
Things are shifting ever so slightly around here. You have probably heard me allude to it but today I am tackling it head on. I have heard from women over and over again, "Jessica, I am feeling all the same things you are describing but I didn't have a partner come out." Why is that? Is that weird? I am here to answer all your questions about why you are feeling all the same things. Let’s dive into how your experience may feel similar, even though it is different.
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Things change quickly and often when you have shared custody. This may be hard to believe but there are things that have happened in our lives’ that we have not shared with you. But we recognize, and hope you recognize, that there is a time and place for sharing. As we sat down to reflect on the things we have learned over the past year and what we want to take with us, so things came up that we have not shared yet. A LOT has changed in our families over the past year that we have kept on the DL. Today we share a few of those things while still protecting the privacy of those that are involved.
Also, Do you like Applebees? Yes or No?
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It only took us 11 Years to get here... This episode is sharing what happened this holiday in our little family. I kept thinking how did we get here?! What are we doing?! And then reminding myself that this is what living into your values instead of the "shoulds" looks and feels like. We hope that sharing will help you be ready to do the same.
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What does it look like when you add a third “Dad” to your child’s life? We can’t say how it goes for everyone but in this episode, we share what it has been like for us and our daughter. Jalen is back to share how it has been joining our family. What the move to Boise was like. And how many plants Steve and Jalen own. They are definitely plant dads.
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Joining us today may be the most anticipated guest EVER in the history of podcasting… Okay, maybe just in the history of the Husband in Law Podcast. Any guesses?! How did you get that right?! Maybe because we gave it away in the last episode. Jalen, Steve’s boyfriend, is here with us today. And you will see why he fits into our little family so perfectly.
He opens up about IT ALL! By the end of this episode, you will get to know him and love him just like we do (well, maybe not quite how Steve loves him).
Did Jessica cry during the episode? Yes. Did she cry numerous times? Also, yes. Are you surprised? Yeah, we aren’t, either.
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You had questions and we have answers… Kind of. Haha! Okay we do answer your questions in this episode. Everything from finding a new community after coming out, to how pissed did Jessica and Steve get at each other during the “in between phases” of their relationship, to how did Steve and Jalen meet.
BUT the thing we want you to know most is that we share what has worked for us. And while some of the same things might work for you, what is most important is that you do what feels right for you. Don’t be scared to get creative! Figure out what it is YOU need.
As promised here are the links to the “Dating Diaries” Episodes. They are raw and very real. Episode 33: https://husband-in-law.simplecast.com/episodes/33-dating-diaries-part-1-dgBdm0UO
And Episode 34: https://husband-in-law.simplecast.com/episodes/34-dating-diaries-part-2-GJt2Y6WR
If you have a question for us please drop it in a review, DM Jessica on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/thejessicafrew/) or email jessica@theboldlogic.com
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This episode is a quick reminder as to why gratitude is so dang important AND some insight as to what gratitude can really do for you in your life. Enjoy!
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It's the most wonderful time of the year... except when it isn't. The holidays can be joyful or straight up stressful. More often than not they are a combination of both. This holiday season set yourself up the best you can with some Holiday Boundaries.
LAST CHANCE! Gnomies are rolling out fast! Grab yours while you can. Head to theboldlogicshop.comto get yours before they are gone. (This may be the last year we offer these... It will for sure be the last year Jessica is hand making them. So if you want a Gnomie that is made with extra love, pick yours up now!)
P.S. And don't worry, we know breakups are hard, so we took care of "Breaking Up" with the Freaking Elf for you. We will do your dirty work...
Shop with a Cop Episode linked here 👉🏼 https://husband-in-law.simplecast.com/episodes/shop-with-a-cop-oVaJ47kT
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Have you see the "Mormon No More" documentary on Hulu? Whether you have or haven't won't make a difference as you listen to today's episode where the three of us sit down to share our own unique perspectives on it. Don't miss the names/titles Matt felt would have been more fitting. Do you think any of us will see eye to eye on it?! 😅
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Steve always tells me he doesn't want to live past 60. 😅 Which quite honestly pisses me off BUT he carries very strong feelings about "getting older" and until we recorded this episode I didn't realize that Matt has very strong feelings as about it as well. You can hear what Matt has to say by listening in now.
What are your thoughts about getting older? I didn't say this on a the podcast but I feel like it is a daily gift I am given and I am here for it. 🙌🏻 I am glad you are here today as well.💜
Keep growing my friend, in all the ways.
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This week we are talking about the process of mourning a relationship. It can look many different ways and can hit us at the most random times. We share how it looked for Steve and me to mourn our relationship, and how it was for Matt to mourn his relationship with Ann. Steve also shares about something he is currently mourning and then Matt compares it to a parking lot... Which leads to the question... is there a parking spot that you are leaving open for someone who maybe doesn't deserve that space any more?
The mourning process can be hard. It is painful but it is an important part of healing. Sending so much love to you... and I mean that.
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Was it embarrassment? Or was it a catalyst for change? Maybe it was both… Today we are talking about the moments that change us. Sometimes they come at unexpected times and in unexpected places… Have you ever had one? Share it with us on Instagram or email jessica@theboldlogic.com.
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Someone is missing from this episode but YOU will not want to miss out on these insights into the ABCs of emotional cleaning. Are you an emotional cleaner? (This is not what you think it is...) And I can't wait to hear your insights into what emotional cleaning looks like for you.
Also! If you have a question for us or a topic you would like us to cover on the pod, please respond to this email with your question. The three of us will be recording in the next couple of days and we would love to know what you want to hear about. Email Jessica@theboldlogic.com or send us a message on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/husband_in_law/)!
Be BOLD my Friend!
Have you had a partner come out?! Then don't miss out on the LAST FREE workshop of the year that is made specifically for YOU. You are not alone. Whether you decide to stay together or separate, you can find peace and happiness again. You can leave other people's opinions behind as you move forward and I am here with a whole herd of Unicorns to help you along the way. Join us by heading to https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkshop!
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We're back! This week we have a special treat for you. It is a live Q&A where we answer some of your most pressing questions. Have a question of your own? Don't hesitate to reach out to us on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/husband_in_law/) or send us an email jessica@theboldlogic.com and we will be sure to get it answered on an upcoming episode.
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In this episode, Jessica, and Steve will talk about their first year of marriage, having a blast in college. Jessica will then share the story of how she came upon Steve’s gay porn on the computer while he was away at work.
Steve hadn’t yet come to terms with the fact that he was gay, and he was devastated by Jessica’s discovery. They will share all that transpired after that and it’s going to be an interesting story, so don’t miss it.
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about the Boise Gay Pride Festival and what their experiences were. Steve will dive into being deeply involved in organizing the different pride festivals that have been held in the past and all the challenges they go through.
The three of them, with Steve’s guidance, will then demystify the societal misconceptions about so much relating to the LGBTQ Plus community, and talk about how amazing gay pride events really are.
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In this episode, Stephanie May (we mentioned her in the last episode. Remember?) comes on to talk about how she introduced Steve and Jessica to each other. Steph will ask Steve and Jessica a range of questions just to get a better understanding of what really happened that led to their eventual divorce.
It’s gonna be a hilarious one. You won’t wanna miss it.
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So, how did Steve and Jessica even meet in the first place?!
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will dive into how they met and how their relationship developed - ultimately leading to their marriage. Through deliberate effort by Steve (he was admittedly intrigued by Jessica), they met back in college, and the story of how they got to the point where they got married and honeymooned in Victor, Idaho, is both funny and amazing, so you won’t wanna miss it.
Curious about the cat shoes?! You'll need to listen in! 😂
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Getting to know you, Getting to know all about you... 🎶🎵🎶 Where did this crazy story begin and who the heck are Jessica, Matt, and Steve? Great question and today you are going to get to hear how this all began so many many many years ago, in a land far far away. Or something like that...
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This was the time of the most turmoil and stress in Jessica and Steve's marriage. It was the breaking point. Steve had an affair with a man in hopes that it would shut down the gay side of himself, but the reality was quite the opposite.
As with everything in their relationship, they put everything out on the table and discussed how they could move on from this. The problem was, neither of them knew how it was possible and they walked around for weeks like emotional zombies.
This all came to a head and they knew something must be done when they were moving into their new home and Penny, their two-year-old daughter wandered out the front door and was lost for a short time.
Show that you are an ally while educating yourself and those in your home... And without flying a rainbow flag, unless you want to! Pick on the Love BOLDly Coloring Book. Available during Pride month only! Stock up now. These also make a perfect gift for your queer friends and family! Let's spread some love! https://theboldlogic.com/loveboldly
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We have some big announcements in this episode and we are excited about all of them. Plus we share a few of the things you (our listeners) said you would never do but are currently doing. It spurs quite the conversation...
Want to learn gay terms without having to do an awkward google search? Check out the Loving BOLDly Coloring Book. Pride month is right around the corner and there is no better way to start celebrating than by picking up the Loving BOLDly Coloring Book. Buy a couple for your friends and family while you are at it. https://theboldlogic.com/loveboldly
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Doing things because someone told us that is what we should do does not motivate us to do what is best for us. Understanding the why behind our decisions is where true joy comes from in life. Today we continue our conversation about doing things we said we would never do... And this week Steve is opening up about some of his biggest ones...
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You know those things you said you would NEVER do and sometimes even judged others for doing but you do them now?! Yeah, we have a few of those too. We will share some of ours, have a personal coaching session with Steve, and discuss why it is important to recognize when and why we are judging others... Share with us something YOU said you would never do but very much do now. We would love to hear it! Send us a voice message or written DM on Instagram for the chance to be featured on an upcoming episode. You can also send over a question, comment, or insight.
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What is something you have always wanted to wear but felt it wasn't socially acceptable?What is your dream career and what is holding you back from going for it? What about your life isn't in alignment with who YOU really want to be? With who you FEEL CALLED to be?
Today we are diving into some of these questions for ourselves and what we have done to be more "Us". We hope it will leave you inspired to be more YOU!
Want to know the easiest way to start diving into being BOLDly You?! Pick up a BOLDology Journal and get started today! Plus you won’t just get the journal you will get so much more. Check it out here👉🏼 https://theboldlogic.com/boldjournal It will help you get to know yourself and understand where you need to set those boundaries to keep your sense of self.
Do you ever end the episode and think “I wish I could ask them this __?” Well now is your chance. Send us your questions via voice message on Instagram OR email Jessica at jessica@theboldlogic.com and we will answer your question during the 4th episode each month. Can’t wait to hear from you!
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I cried as I wrote out the title of this episode. Today we are answering two questions that you all sent in and I will admit, it was a little heavy. To those who are in the thick of it, please know we feel for you. We are here for you. We know this is hard and we are sending you love in all the ways we can. Also, if you have a question, comment, or insight for us please send it over! We will be answering them on the fourth Wednesday of each month. You can DM a voice message on Instagram or send an email to jessica@theboldlogic.com.
Group Coaching is OPEN for Unicorn! If you have had a partner come out, then this is for you! There are just 5 spots available. Registration will close Sunday, May 1st, or as soon as those five spots are claimed. theboldlogic.com/unicorncoaching
P.S. I will be opening up group coaching for everyone else as well! If you are carrying bitterness, anger, or resentment towards the church, your partner, your role as a mom or stepmom, and are wanting to reclaim your sense of self, then this is for YOU!!! You will start seeing a shift in your mindset within a month AND you can do this WITHOUT asking anyone else to change, WITHOUT needing approval from friends and family, and WITHOUT breaking the bank. There are just 5 spots available, so act now! https://theboldlogic.com/boldlyyoucoaching
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Who wants more JOY?! I LOVE Joy! Here are some questions we are going to dive into this week:
How do you find joy in your life?
What are ways you used to find joy but don't any more?
What new things have you tried that bring you joy that you didn't think would bring you joy?How do the people in your life impact your joy?
What are things you want more of in your life?! (Listen as Steve get's real uncomfortable with Matt's answer.)
Mark your calendar! Group Coaching will be opening up next WEEK from April 27th to May 1st only!! There will only be 5 spots available, so be sure to get on the waitlist by going to: http://theboldlogic.com/unicorncoaching
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Today's guest and I have a couple things in common. One being that we love finding joy where we can in life, even when going through hard things. One thing that is different about us is that Lisa Valentine Clark is witty and funny. I have occasional moments of being funny but I am definitely not witty. Lisa is so incredibly witty and funny her life's work centers around this.
My friend, if you are going through something hard, please do not miss today's episode. Lisa has been through the hard and she is here to share what she has learned from losing her husband, who was her best friend and love of her life.
You can find Lisa on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/yourfunnyvalentine/ or at https://www.instagram.com/thelisashow/
On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheLisaShow
Or on her podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lisa-show/id1436541189
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You may know my ex-husband (Steve) has worked for my husband (Matt) for the last year and a half... 😅 But that recently ended...
👊🏻Were punches thrown?😭Were feelings hurt?
🤬Were profanities used?
You are about to find out.
coparents #cohosts #coworkers #cohusbands #codads #theydoitall
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Have you ever struggled with your birthday? Been disappointed? Felt overlooked? Under appreciated? Then this episode is for you.
This is your last chance! It will not be back until fall. Tonight is the FREE workshop "Move from Numbing to Healing After a Spouse Comes Out WITHOUT Giving up the things YOU LOVE About Your Relationship."
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Do you think of your co-parent as a comparde? A companion? These are the words that the guys used to describe us on this week's episode of the pod and now I am seriously considering changing the name of our podcast and our Instagram. What do you think?
BUT DO NOT BE FOOLED by the title of this episode! This week we talking pronouns, queer terminology, co-parenting, and then back to our theme this month, second marriage. I don't know how we got it all into one episode, but I guess we are just that good... Or something like that.
If you have had a spouse come out, please join our unicorn herd today by claiming your FREE seat to the "Move from Numbing to Healing After a Spouse Comes Out WITHOUT Giving up the things YOU LOVE About Your Relationship" workshop. This FREE workshop will only be happening ONCE in the next 4 months and it is THIS MONTH! http:/theboldlogic.com/freeworkshop
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This week we have a special guest for you! And she is going to introduce herself right here, right now.
Hey there! I’m Kim and I’m a work-from-home mom, stepmom, and wife. My husband Jack and I live in Central Florida with our three kids. I have my Masters degree in Behavior Analysis and have been a board-certified behavior analyst for over 15 years.
About 2 years ago, I started writing and sharing my blended family stories through Instagram publicly, however before that I was posting privately with friends and family and sharing really only what looked like the perfect family. On the outside, my friends and family knew me as this mom, stepmom, and wife who seemed to have her stuff together and managed to seamlessly blend her family. I didn’t really share the hard times because I didn’t want anyone to know. However, in reality, I was really a struggling and bitter stepmom, as well as a mom who had recently gotten over the guilt of making my son share two different homes, and a wife who felt resentment towards her husband because his past was affecting our marriage and our future. I began to share stories publicly because I didn’t like the false narrative I was writing for myself and decided that being vulnerable and honest with myself was the only way I was going to heal parts of me that hurt. I talk about co-parenting, custody sharing, blending a family, and being a stepmom. In the past 2 years, I have discovered that it is completely ok to feel how you feel and heal how you heal.
You can follow Kim on Instagram at @perfectlyimperfectfamily https://www.instagram.com/_perfectlyimperfectfamily_/
It's BACK for the last time until FALL! The FREE workshop "Move from Numbing to Healing After a Spouse Comes Out WITHOUT Giving up the things YOU LOVE About Your Relationship." Register here http://theboldlogic.com/freeworkshop
If you want to work on changing the story you are telling yourself about your past, your life right now, or future while leveling up your relationship this is for you! Pick up your FREE copy of the "Change Your Story, Change Your Life" workbook by clicking here. 👉🏼 theboldlogic.com/freeworkbook
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"Mawwiage. Mawwiage is what bwings us togeder today. Mawwiage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam wifin a dream…" Yes our bishop that married us used this quote to start our marriage but that wasn't the only surprising thing about the beginning of Matt's and mine marriage. It was a rough ride from for the first few years. And you know what the crazy thing is? The only time Matt and I talk to each other about what those first years were like are here on the podcast. We never discuss it outside of this.
This was another good therapy session for one of us... you might be surprised for who. We hope you get something out of it as well!
It's BACK! This will most likely be the last time until FALL! The FREE workshop "How to Create a New Vision of Your Life When Your Spouse Comes Out WITHOUT Giving Up What You Love About Your Relationship." It is time to embrace the unicorn you were created to be. Register here https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkshop
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Ever wonder what it is like to give your "sample" on the side of the road under extreme pressure? Yeah, Steve doesn't either.
Things really went off the rails during this episode. Somehow we started talking about cars and things just went downhill from there. Does downhill refer to things going well or going bad? Maybe the episode went uphill? I don't know, you will have to decide for yourself as we throw it way back to some entertaining stories from Jessica and Steve's marriage.
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This week our Dear Listener Episode is for everyone and there is homework...
Let's talk more about self-care, why it really isn't selfish, and what that actually means for you. Did you know there are at least 6 types of self-care?! We are going to dive into what they are and how you can utilize them in your life. What area are you lacking? Where could you dive into some more self-care?
Link Time Study and Self Care Assessment Sheet https://theboldlogic.com/selfcare
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Are you ready to heal from betrayal trauma? This week's guest can help you do just that!
Ashlynn Mitchell runs multiple of her own businesses while momming 2 tween girls as a single mom. She co-hosted the top 10 podcast, The Betrayed, The Addicted & The Expert & now shares on her new podcast, This Is Ashlynn. She coaches women to thrive after betrayal through a group setting & an online program. With her real-world example of what’s possible after betrayal & how to live boldly with compassion & forgiveness while being boundaried & free from the past. She is an advocate for women who want to live a life full of adventure & freedom.
This week's episode is straight 🔥🔥🔥 in the most soothing and calming form. You will feel seen, loved, and supported while listening to my interview with Ashlynn. Enjoy!
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This episode was one we needed and we hope that it will be a good reminder for you too. We needed the reminder that taking time for ourselves isn't selfish. Most of the time it is the exact opposite. By putting time into ourselves we are healing ourselves. Which allows us to, in turn, be more intentional about our time with others. This will all make more sense once you start listening.
I want you to know that while we share so much of the good (and the hard) of the past and much of the good in the present, there are still HARD things going on in our lives’ that we aren't sharing because we need time to process and heal before putting it out there. Right now is one of those times. We changed topics and interviews for this month at the very last minute because we needed the reminders we will be sharing. You are not alone in the hard. We are here with you. And we can all make it through this.
This is your reminder that things can be good and progress can be made and there can still be work to be done. Sending all the love to you.
If you want to work on changing the story you are telling yourself about your past, your life right now, or your relationships, pick up your FREE Workbook "Change Your Story, Change Your Life" by clicking here. 👉🏼https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkbook
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Today we share a story NOT WORTH TELLING. 😅 What can we say, not everything can be a homerun. 🤷♀️ Let us know what you think of this week's episode.
If you haven't yet, please leave us a rating, review, and share with a friend that might enjoy the podcast! This is the cheapest and easiest way you can support us on this journey AND help others who might be looking for our message. Thanks for being here!
Episode 90 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pennys-baptism/id1464470280?i=1000509522158
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Have you ever had a moment when you see how things have been and are working for your good? We share a story about one of those moments to start this week's episode off on the right foot.
Then we dive into the Dear Listener topic of the week. While we are not experts we have learned a thing or two about this week's topic. 😅 As always, we encourage you to think about how to make your relationships/situations in your life work for your good. We hope you enjoy this episode!
TODAY IS THE DAY! This is your last chance to join the Unicorn 🦄 Herd. If you have had a partner come out and you are feeling stuck in the fog of emotions that comes from that experience, I invite you to join the Unicorn Herd. Because here is the deal, it may feel like your partner/ex is riding the rainbow but YOU are a freaking BOLD Unicorn. You and your situation are unique but there is still a herd of unicorns here to support YOU. No matter whether you stay in your relationship or are separating, I am here to help you gain the clarity you are looking for. Claim your seat for today's Workshop HERE. 👉🏾 https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkshop
Interested in committing to the Unicorn herd for more than a night? Check out Jessica's Group Coaching program. Doors for this program are ONLY OPEN FROM January 19th until January 23rd. To keep it as personalized as possible, spots are limited, claim yours NOW! https://theboldlogic.com/unicornherd
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For the first time ever we have invited some of our listeners to be on the show. Today I am interviewing two women who have some things in common but have very different stories. They are (or were) both members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They both had spouses who came out after they were married. AND they are both named Kylee! SAY WHAT?! But there are some major differences in their stories as well. Listen in to hear all about it.
My bold friend, You are a unicorn. You are unique. There is a unique way that you are going to find peace, clarity, calm, and love in your life. And I want to teach you the tools to help you get there. Join me January 19th for the FREE workshop "Secrets for Finding Rainbows Through the Emotional Fog". It will get you heading in the right direction. Now While this workshop is specifically designed for those who have had a spouse come out, if you have been listening and feel like this resonates with you as well, please don’t hesitate to join our unicorn herd and start to create your own path as well. You can register for the workshop by heading to https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkshop or going to the link in our bio! I hope to see you there with your fav snack, a bevie, a blankie, and your pen and paper, ready to learn. Love to you all. Have a freaking BOLD week my friend.
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This week’s episode starts off with one of my greatest co-parenting fears coming to fruition and it was all Steve’s doing. But, I am happy to report it ended up working out pretty great and I am 100 percent at peace with it. Do you carry some fears about the unknown of what co-parenting/divorce can bring? Yeah, we do too and that’s okay.
We also give more details into another story that we grazed over before but this week the truth comes out.
Did I (Jessica) have an affair as well?
Who the heck is Ben?
Why did my family think that I was going to marry another man who is gay?
Why does it often happen that emotional support during a divorce gets messy?
And why were Steve and my sister-in-law in the pantry together?
Man, there is a lot to explore this week and a lot of lessons to learn.
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It is that time of year... When Steve and Matt are too busy to record and I want to tell you all the things to prepare you for this upcoming year. While everyone is telling you to live your "best" life and showing you how to do life "better". I want to share a secret with you... You don't need a better life and you might already be living your best life. Listen in to today’s episode to hear what I am talking about.
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Today we talk about all the things. We start off with some real uncomfortable conversations and move on to the day-to-day of what is going on now.
But mostly we talk about how it is to bring your new boyfriend to meet your ex's family. 😅 Co-parenting can lead to come pretty interesting situations you never thought you would be put into. But here we are embracing them all and making the most of it. Happy Holidays to you and yours. We are sending you all the love today and always.
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Dear Listener-
For years Steve was convinced that if Penny left the church I would be a mess and hold it over her head. And while I see how the church has helped ME live the life I want to live, I see clearly how my path is NOT forever one, my daughter included.
In this week's Dear Listener Episode we dive into how we co-parent with different beliefs and value systems in place. Steve, Matt and myself all have different views around this but we all agree on one thing that makes it possible for us to support each other and our kids.
We share what we have learned over the past 10+ years of co-parenting, how we have "thrown out the manual" for our lives and for our kids lives', so that we can show up in the only way we feel really matters.
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I had a bad experience... We have heard this more times than we would like to admit when it comes to church leadership, teachers, or just other people in the congregation. When it comes down to it, these are relationships that we are ALL trying to work through. Let’s learn from our experiences and then take action so we can experience growth. We are all human and are going to make mistakes along the way, let’s show some empathy for everyone involved.
Today our guest, Kurt Francom, is here to help us work through some of the shortcomings we have as leaders and members of the congregation they lead. Kurt has made it his life's work to learn how to be a better leader and provide leaders in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with the support they need. What he has learned can bless all our lives whether we are in or out of the church, and whether we consider ourselves a leader or not.
Join us as we talk about how to start hard conversations, how to be empathetic as a leader and as a member, questions to ask leadership so we can show them more support and vice versa, and of course, how fellowship or queer brothers and sisters both in and out of the church.
He also has some great FREE resources for us!
Access the FREE LGBT Saints Virtual Summit here: LeadingSaints.org/lgbt This summit is designed to help members of the church be prepared to love and support our LGBTQ+ Brothers and Sisters.
Listen to The Leading Saints Podcast: https://leadingsaints.org/category/mp3/
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Have you ever had a church leader give you counsel that didn't resonate or feel right for you? Yeah, we have too.
Today we are sharing some of the experiences we have had both as a leader in the church as well as our interactions with church leadership. We will be sharing our best, worst, and funniest moments. As you can tell from the title some of them have been pretty interesting.
If you want to join this conversation and share your stories, send us an email to jessica@theboldlogic.com or DM us on Instagram. We would love to hear your best, worst, and funniest stories as well.
Are you ready to start processing those uncomfortable feelings you are holding onto? If you said yes then we have something for you! Pick up your FREE Workbook "Change Your Story, Change Your Life" by clicking here. 👉🏼 Change Your Story, Change Your Life.
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We are talking about TWO mysteries today...
Have you seen the mystery man hanging out with Steve? Well today Steve is opening up about it. We dive into dating, how it is to date when you have a podcast, and what it looks like when I, Jessica, meet someone who is important to Steve.
We are also sharing a story that might get us into a little trouble. Please don't tell us! But for real... 😅
Little Dudes are done until next year but don't forget we have some awesome t-shirts, coloring books, and journals that make great holiday gifts as well. You can check it all out at: https://theboldlogicshop.com/
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As always we will share more throughout the week over on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/husband_in_law/) and on the BOLDetin Board (https://theboldlogic.com/boldetin). That is where you will be the FIRST to hear what we have coming up next and be in the know about all the things we have for you.
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I am getting a divorce.
I am pretty sure we have all heard these words from a friend or loved one. But what do you do when you hear this?! How do you react? What help can you offer? What does someone doing through a divorce need from you?
This week on our Dear Listener Episode we dive into what to do when someone you love is getting a divorce because who doesn't know someone going through a divorce?
We share our stories of what worked (and what didn't work) when people showed up for us during our divorce. We get into what our worries and concerns were and how the people around us made a big difference in helping us get to where we are today.
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Three of Jessica's favorite men in one room... What could go wrong?! 😅 You are about to find out!
Ever wondered how it would feel to be the parent of someone going through a divorce.
We talk about what it was like to have your daughter calling and telling my parents are getting divorced. What it was like to talk to Steve after Jessica and Steve separated.
We lay out some of the things that worked for us to help support each other through the divorce process.
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Okay maybe these stories aren't scary for you but they were scary for us because sometimes revisiting past experiences can be scary!
This week we are telling untold stories from when we got divorced. And when I say we, I am talking about when Matt and Ann got divorced and when Steve and I got divorced. Don't worry Matt and I are still going strong. 💪🏼
We ask Matt some hard questions about his divorce, Steve shares details from his affair that I have never heard and we wrap it up with some talk about divorce trauma.
There is one question that sums up this week's episode and that we hope you will ask yourself. Are you ignoring what you are trying to tell YOURSELF? 💜 Jess
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Who has a teen driver in the house?!
We do! And this week we talk about all the things teenager-related. (How did we get here?! 😅)
Other topics include:
✨Matt's thoughts on Elder Holland's address to the BYU Staff (You can find Steve's and Jessica's response on IGTV.)
✨Jessica's Basketball playing skills
✨How we are doing with a teen driver. (I often find myself singing the "Jesus Take the Wheel Song")
✨And last but not least how to help when you feel helpless.
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Here are some of the main talking points from this episode.:
✨Taking the shame out of your conversations by tempering your reactions and acknowledging your mistakes.
✨Take care of yourself first!
✨Owning your part. Their “issues” might seem bigger but you still need to own your part in the relationship.
✨Sharing with people you and your partner trust.
Can’t wait to hear what you think!
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If you want to work on changing the story you are telling yourself about your past, your life right now, or your relationships, pick up your FREE Workbook "Change Your Story, Change Your Life" by clicking here. 👉🏼 https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkbook
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This week we interview a blast from our past, Dr. Elia Gourgouris. If you want to find more happiness in your life, this episode is for you!
Dr. Elia Gourgouris is the president of The Happiness Center, an organization of world-leading experts in the field of Positive Psychology dedicated to creating personal success and happiness. He is also Founding Partner at The Global Institute of Thought Leadership, an organization that brings together bestselling authors, world-renowned speakers, industry experts and pioneering thinkers who all share a common goal: Changing the world of ideas.
Dr. Elia is the author of the #1 best-selling Amazon book, 7 Paths to Lasting Happiness, which has been translated in 5 languages. He recently co-authored the highly acclaimed book 7 Keys to Navigating a Crisis: A Practical Guide to Emotionally Dealing with Pandemics and Other Disasters. His message is featured in respected publications and media around the world.
With his Positive Psychology background, he has helped thousands of people both in their careers and in their relationships to achieve success and better work-life balance. As a keynote speaker, he frequently presents at international conferences and Universities focusing on corporate wellness, mental health, positive leadership, building trust & loyalty, and building resilience and agility. He coaches leaders and their companies to help them build a culture of trust, accountability, and empowerment. The result is that happily engaged employees are more productive, collaborative, and innovative. He co-hosts the weekly The Kindness and Happiness Connection podcast and was the Executive Producer of the Reality TV show Cash Cowboys and is currently working on a new Reality TV show called The Kindness Givers!
Dr. Elia was born and raised in Athens, Greece, where he became a National Swim Champion. He moved with his family to Santa Monica, CA when he was ten. He received his BA in psychology from UCLA, and then went on to receive his MA and PhD in psychology.
If you want more from Elia be sure to connect with him here and pick up your FREE copy of his Personal Health Assessment!
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www.dreliagourgouris.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thehappinessdoctor/
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Ever wonder if there is a story we have not shared or have said we would never share? Well, we wanted to come back strong by sharing a story I (Jessica) said I would never share here on the podcast. It is something I have never even talked to my parents about. 😳
Why have we not shared it? Because I KNOW there will be people who judge me hardcore for this one.
Why are we sharing it now? Because I KNOW there is someone who needs to hear it to heal and feel seen. Plus it is part of our story and I want to own all the parts of our story.
Pretty sure all three of us had a vulnerability hangover after we recorded this one. 😅
This week we talk about how the podcast will look going forward. (Slight changes but not too much different.) Then we dive into the meat of this week's topic. It felt raw and weird and very vulnerable. Hopefully, the message gets across. And hopefully, we help at least one person feel less alone.
If you want to work on changing the story you are telling yourself about your past, your life right now, or your relationships, pick up your FREE Workbook "Change Your Story, Change Your Life" by clicking here. 👉🏼 https://theboldlogic.com/freeworkbook
Additional Resources:
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive back into Steve and Jessica’s journal entries from the period when they had patched things up to try and give dating another try. They were each going through a very tough time because things were not working out as they had expected.
They go back to June 10, 2012, when Steve was journaling about his spiritual struggles. He believed that he had lost connection with God due to his inability to stop pursuing a gay lifestyle, and he used to act out all the time to make himself feel better even though some of the time it would only make him feel a lot of turmoil.
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will take a deeper dive back into the time when Steve and Jessica were getting back together to give things another try, and each of them will pull up their journals and read through their six months of dating post-divorce period.
Jessica will start by sharing a journal entry about how she and Steve passed by some of their friends in Colorado as they were heading back to Boise together, and how ballsy that was because she had just a few months before then passed by the same friends as she was heading to her parents’ home right after her and Steve had broken up and she had left him in Oklahoma.
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In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the beginning of the end of their marriage, and how quickly it fell apart. - - - > Learn more at: https://linktr.ee/theboldlogic
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This was the time of the most turmoil and stress in Jessica and Steve's marriage. It was the breaking point. Steve had an affair with a man in hopes that it would shut down the gay side of himself, but the reality was quite the opposite. Learn more at: https://linktr.ee/theboldlogic
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Hey Guys, Jessica, Matt, and Steve here with a big announcement to make.
Ever since we recorded our first episode of the Husband in Law podcast, we have really enjoyed the ride. We are grateful that you always tune in each week.
Most importantly, we are humbled to know that we have helped many people with our perspective on issues such as coming out, divorce, and co-parenting
We are always happy to receive feedback from our listeners that a certain episode helped them navigate something big in their life.
In order to serve you better, we are taking a break. Putting on these episodes takes a lot of energy and resources. We feel we need a break to refresh and come back stronger.
Tune in to this episode to hear us explain why we are going on a break and when you can expect us to come back, plus other exciting news we have for you.
Key Takeaways
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Steve Speedos (01:19)
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Accidently eating dinner (06:37)
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Why we need a break (12:09)
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Coming back refreshed (19:51)
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One topic we have never fully recorded (21:22)
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The live event is still on (24:13)
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How to stay in contact with us during the break (27:50)
Additional resources:
Come hang out with us at our first in-person LIVE event. We can't wait to meet you! https://theboldlogic.com/hillive
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Want to stay in the know until we come back? Sign up for the BOLDetin Board by clicking here 👉🏼 https://theboldlogic.com/boldetin
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Last week, we answered one question from a listener, and this week we answer some more. This week’s set of questions are specifically directed to Steve.
Among the questions we answer is one from a listener who wants to know how Steve navigated through coming out and divorce. This listener is in a similar situation, and hopefully, Steve’s perspective makes it easier for them.
In addition, we chat about normalizing being gay by being open about it and showing children that gay couples are just like any other couple.
We also answer a question on how having a background in the Mormon church has affected Steve and whether it has hindered his ability to connect on the dating scene.
Tune in to hear our perspective on these and more questions from our listeners.
Key Takeaways
-Storytime (02:51)
-Navigating through coming out, divorce, and the church (09:31)
-Find your happiness quickly (11:29)
-How to come out to your kids (13:19)
-How does having a church background affects gay dating (21:22)
-Chair/Couch privileges (33:02)]
Additional resources:
We have Restocked, grab yours before we sell out again! Show your PRIDE all year long with the "Love BOLDly Coloring Book: A coloring book celebrating all kinds of Love". This coloring book is designed to create awareness, spur conversations, and have some fun! Grab yours before we sell out again. https://theboldlogic.com/coloringbook
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This week, Matt, Steve, and I tackle the topic of co-parenting and having the hard conversations that need to be had when raising kids in this situation.
The key to successful co-parenting is swallowing your pride and putting aside your ego, and always remember that it is not about either of you; it’s about the wellbeing of the kids.
Any anger or resentment you have towards the other parent must not affect the kids in any way.
But even with the best of intentions, you and your ex will often disagree on some issues. When this happens, it is best not to put your kid in the middle of the disagreement. Leave the kids out of it.
Join us in this conversation as we explore how best to co-parent and navigate the hard conversations.
Key Takeaways
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Questions from the closet (01:21)
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Who did it better (06:50)
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Stepmom guilt (08:55)
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How to navigate Co-parenting struggles (22:51)
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What is best for your kid (25:28)
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Leave the kids out of the middle (27:46)
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Put aside your ego; it’s not about you (29:13)
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Does it really matter as much as you think it does? (35:23)
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Last week Matt, Steve, and I discussed how to talk to kids about gender and sexuality…. This week we build on this by talking about how to approach the topic of dating with kids. 🙌
It is important for kids to learn about healthy relationships before they enter the dating world 💯
Opening up these conversations around sexuality and dating sends a clear message that they can be open with you about what is happening in their life. 👌
Our discussion today is based on a sheet of paper that Matt’s son came back with from school that required both the parent and the student to answer some questions on healthy dating practices. ❤
Listen in as we share our thoughts and differing feelings about these questions and how to approach this very important topic.
Key Takeaways
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Steve’s red shirt (01:02)
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Healthy dating and healthy relationships (11:12)
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Car rides are the best time to have conversations with your kids (13:38)
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At what is it okay to have a boyfriend/girlfriend (14:23)
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Setting guidelines/rules for dating
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What age is it to go on a date (29:20)
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Acceptable places/situations for a date (38:26)
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What kind of person should a kid be in a relationship with (41:13)
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Knowing who your kid is dating (42:29)
Additional Resources
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June is Pride Month, and just like we have done with previous episodes this month, we continue to celebrate and support the LGBTQ community.
Today, Matt, Steve, and I discuss some ways you can talk with your kids about gender identity sexual orientation.
It is important to open up these conversations with your children because the truth is that they are going to hear about these topics. The question is, are they going to hear it from you, or are they going to hear it from other kids in the playground?
Opening up a conversation about gender sexual identity doesn’t mean you have to go super deep into these issues. For instance, our fun coloring book helps kids learn more about sexuality and understand what they might be feeling.
Click Play to listen as we talk about opening up gender and sexuality conversations with your children and the best way to do it.
Key Takeaways
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Penny’s Bracelets (02:58)
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Fireside Story – family support and acceptance (09:21)
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A pivotal moment for Steve (19:24)
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How to let kids know its ok to be themselves (24:08)
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Talking gender identity with kids (31:10)
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Be a good role model (34:30)
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How our coloring book helps open up the conversations (35:39)
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Educate yourself first, then educate your kids (36:56)
Additional Resources
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ALMOST SOLD OUT!!! In honor of Pride Month, we created the "Love BOLDly Coloring Book: A coloring book celebrating all kinds of Love". This coloring book is designed to create awareness, spur conversations, and have some fun! These are on sale until June 16th, so grab yours while they are hot. https://theboldlogic.com/coloringbook
Send us an email at jessica@theboldlogic.com
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Hey guys, Jessica here with a new episode. 🙌
And today, Matt, Steve, and I are looking at ways straight, or cisgender people can be good allies to the LGBTQ community. 🏳🌈
If you are wondering, an ally is someone who has privilege but chooses to stand for and with a marginalized community by taking tangible ongoing actions to dismantle systems of oppression.
A good ally to the LGBTQ community chooses to love and support people with a different sexual or gender orientation than theirs and affiliate with them.
So what does an ally look like in everyday life? How does a straight person act in Pride festivals or parades? How can a straight person who wants to be an ally show up on social media better?
These are the questions we attempt to answer in this episode and much more.
Tune in for some actionable steps you can start taking today to show love and support to the LGBT community during this Pride month and beyond.
Key Takeaways
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Storytime (00:57)
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What being an LGBT ally means (17:24)
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Making it known you are an ally (22:38)
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Actionable steps to be a good ally (30:18)
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Research and educate yourself on LGBT issues (30:57)
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Performative allyship and how to avoid it (31:41
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Get comfortable being uncomfortable (39:50)
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Language matters; Don’t assume gender or orientation (42:56)
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How to show up on social media better for the LGBT community (52:05)
Additional Resources:
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ALMOST SOLD OUT!!! In honor of Pride Month we created the "Love BOLDly Coloring Book: A coloring book celebrating all kinds of Love". This coloring book it designed to create awareness, spur conversations, and have some fun! These are on sale until June 16th, so grab yours while their hot. https://theboldlogic.com/coloringbook
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Hi guys, Jessica here! Following on from last week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I continue our conversation about coming out.
Steve shares his experience coming out and some of the lessons he learned, and things he could have done differently.
One important piece of advice we talk about is why you should manage your expectations of the response you will get from people.
The best way to go about this is to give people time and space to process the new information. Remember, this is affecting them as much as it is affecting you.
This way, they are not fumbling with words at that moment and saying something they don’t mean to say. Eventually, some mutual understanding and mutual acceptance will develop.
Tune in to hear some of the tips we have for you as you prepare to come out and advice from Steve’s perspective.
Key Takeaways
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Keeping your relationship fun (07:51)
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How to manage your expectations of people (15:43)
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Giving people time to catch up to where you are (20:14)
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Getting to mutual understanding and acceptance (22:08)
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Don’t put a lot of stock in someone’s initial response (25:27)
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Don’t chase immediate acceptance (27:43)
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The emotions people go through when people come out (31:51)
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Avoid overanalyzing every response you get (34:45)
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If you are gay- just come out (38:51)
Additional Resources:
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ALMOST SOLD OUT!!! In honor of Pride Month, we created the "Love BOLDly Coloring Book: A coloring book celebrating all kinds of Love". This coloring book it designed to create awareness, spur conversations, and have some fun! These are on sale until June 16th, so grab yours while their hot. https://theboldlogic.com/coloringbook
Send us an email at jessica@theboldlogic.com
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Hey Guys, Jessica here with another exciting episode for you.
This week, we start off with an embarrassing co-parenting story that recently happened when I was dropping Penny off at Steve’s house. You’ve got to listen to this one.
June is Pride Month, and we thought we could give some advice on how to respond when somebody comes out to you.
As Steve always says, somebody very close to you will come out at some point in your life, and how you respond in that instance will shape your relationship with that person going forwards.
We dive deep into this topic and share some really good pieces of advice based on our experience. Remember that it’s an honor that someone trusts you enough to want to come out to you.
Tune in to this week’s episode for some advice on how to handle the coming out conversation PLUS an exciting announcement we have for you!
Key Takeaways
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Embarrassing co-parenting moment (06:48)
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What we have in store for Pride month (21:12)
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How to handle the coming out conversation (22:25)
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At some point, someone close to you will come out (36:37)
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Don’t make it about you at that moment (37:51)
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Listen to understand, not to change them (40:04)
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Express unconditional love and support (48:53)
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It’s an honor for someone to open up to you (55:43)
Additional resources:
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In honor of Pride Month we created the "Love BOLDly Coloring Book: A coloring book celebrating all kinds of Love". This coloring book it designed to create awareness, spur conversations, and have some fun! These are on sale until June 16th, so grab yours while their hot. https://theboldlogic.com/coloringbook
Send us an email at jessica@theboldlogic.com
See everything the HIL Team has to offer by clicking here. https://linktr.ee/theboldlogic
Hi everyone, Jessica here 🙌! And today, we're talking about making plans for the summer.
Navigating summertime as a blended family can be a little stressful. We’ve had a lot of big moments in our co-parenting situation in the summertime.
As we approach summer, we thought we could share our experiences and some of the things that have helped us out in this situation.
One of the things we talk about in this episode is approaching summer with the right mindset. Some parents don’t want to make plans for their children because it looks like they are pushing them away.
This is not the right mindset. It’s okay to make plans for them and let them have fun and spend some time away from you.
If you are feeling a little bit anxious about the summer and how to get the kids to learn and have fun, this episode is for you. We give you important tips on planning this time and making it work for the kids and you.
Good luck!
Key Takeaways
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Is Jessica catching up on Steve? (01:13)
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Matts and Jessica first date Physics facts (04:37)
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Navigating summer as a blended family (19:01)
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How we enforce rules at home (23:07)
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Why and How to plan summer camps for kids (25:00)
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The right mindset for managing summer (29:34)
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Creating opportunities for your kids to learn and have fun (32:45)
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How to set yourself for a good summer co-parenting (37:47)
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Plan it out (38:53)
Additional resources:
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Hi guys, Jessica here again with a new episode. This week we talk about what many parents struggle with; how to get kids to do their chores and teaching them why this is important.
Getting kids to do chores is often a source of frustration to both the parent and the kid. The parent gets tired of saying it over and over again while the kid doesn't understand the fuss around it.
In this episode, we discuss the approach we are using with Penny to get her to do her chores in a way that doesn't lead to a conflict.
We also talk about what Matt would have done differently as a newly married husband and stepdad. He shares some great insights, including why it's never worth it to get angry at a child.
So if you want to hear how we approach the topic of chores with our kids, please tune in.
Highlights of the discussion:
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Be Kind out there (02:51)
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Receiving and giving feedback (09:48)
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Communicating with Penny about chores (17:18)
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Why we teach kids to do chores (23:06)
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Losing plate privileges (29:48)
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Matt owning his part (34:14)
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It's not worth getting angry at a child (38:00)
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Hiding Penny in the closet (43:51)
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Hi guys, this is Jessica, and this week, we're back with a new episode! In it, we discuss something a lot of women experience: the realities of being a step-mom.
Just like being a mother, being a step-mom can be difficult, scary, and emotionally draining. Navigating those relationships with your spouse's ex and your step-children is never easy, and so, sometimes, mistakes happen.
And today, I own up to the mistakes I made as a new step-mom. I believe all mistakes can be lessons, and I hope you can learn from mine, just like I did!
So, if this sounds like your cup of tea, grab yourself a drink, have a seat, and tune in!
Highlights of the discussion:
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A quick catch up (00:55)
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Penny's sleep shenanigans (07:51)
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What I'd do differently (17:21)
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Back to the beginning (23:33)
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My biggest mistake (27:15)
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The importance of staying in your lane (29:54)
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Getting to the other side of conflict (35:33)
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The importance of doing what works for you (38:03)
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Hi everyone, Jessica here! And today, we're back with a new episode about something that's a pretty big part of our lives.
But first, a little catch up: Steve is back from vacation and he is TANNED. He's spent some time on the beach, and he's feeling energized and better than ever now (I must say, I’m a bit jealous)!
Now, let’s move on to this week's discussion: how Mother's Day goes in blended families.
The beginning was a bit difficult for us. We had to find a way to manage Mother's Day for all sides of our blended family. I also had to learn to manage and voice my expectations.
Thankfully, we are better at this now, but that's because we all put in the work! And that's exactly what we talk about in this week's episode, so if you want to learn all about how we celebrate Mother's Day, tune in now!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve's vacation (01:40)
- My first Mother's Day (12:11)
- Mother's Day in blended families (18:05)
- The importance of celebrating the moms in your life (29:26)
- Why you should celebrate yourself too! (33:09)
- Some Mother's Day tips for you (35:55)
- Finishing up with a story (42:22)
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Hi guys, it's Jessica! And today, we're coming back with another episode. Our 100th one as it happens (YAYY)!!
And because we've reached such a huge milestone, this week, we're going back to the beginning.
But first, since this is our 100th episode (again, YAYY), we have a gift for you guys. I mean, where would we be without you all? We wanted to show our gratitude, so we created a special line of greeting cards for you. They're free, so get them while they're still hot!
Now, going back to this week's subject... we'll be discussing our beginnings. And boy was it a fun, tumultuous journey.
Two years ago, we were a bit scared we might be judged by others. But you guys embraced us, mess and all, and we couldn't thank you more.
So, if you want to learn more about how we started, what we learned from this journey, and where we’re going, tune in now!
Highlights of the discussion:
- We got you a gift (02:10)
- Our first sponsor ever!! (05:14)
- Our beginnings (10:54)
- The power of shame (15:52)
- The bathtub confession (20:09)
- Steve's biggest fear - the memes (26:44)
- Our plans for the future (32:48)
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Hey guys, it's Jessica! And today, we're following up on the awkward situation from last week, because the best way to clear things up is to talk about it!!
As you can see, good communication is pretty important to us, but last week, some things kind of got lost in translation.
If you remember, we discussed some pretty heavy subjects, talked about boundaries, and about my marriage with Matt and our different ways of showing love.
This led to a pretty awkward situation where Matt kept thinking that maybe I didn't feel safe with him. But like I said, things sometimes get lost in translation, so I went and rectified that today.
And as a bonus (because heavy conversations always have to be followed by something fun), we all went on and shared some embarrassing stories to lighten things up a bit!
So, if this is your idea of fun, well, this week's episode is perfect for you, so tune in now!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Starting off with a review (01:10)
- Misunderstandings misunderstandings... (10:58)
- Revisiting last week (16:01)
- Getting closer while always working on your marriage (22:24)
- My embarrassing story (25:42)
- Sharing your anonymous embarrassing stories (28:49)
- More embarrassing stories (37:23)
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Hi guys, it's Jessica! And in this week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I discuss the importance of setting boundaries! Or at least, we try to...
But first, we start with a little catch up!
I got my first COVID vaccine (YAY!), we talk about the time Matt had the flu in the beginning of our marriage (fun times), and Steve talks about his Zoom issues (he keeps having Zoom-related incidents and it’s getting out of hand!).
Then we go on to discuss this week's subject: Boundaries.
Specifically, the ones you have to set after divorce. We talk about how to set boundaries nicely (no one wants to come off as a jerk), and how sometimes, it doesn't work, and you just have to go with it!
And then, the conversation gets derailed a bit... but in a good way!
So, if you want to learn about boundaries and how to set them, tune in now!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Catch up with us (00:54)
- Steve's Zoom issues (04:50)
- We got some great feedback this week! (07:14)
- Why it's important to find boundaries that work for you (10:17)
- The importance of "I" statements (14:53)
- How journaling helped me (19:42)
- How our past relationships define our present patterns (21:15)
- It's okay to feel (26:25)
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Hi guys, Jessica here! Following on from last week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I continue our conversation about the church’s stance on LGBTQ people.
But first, Matt starts by reading some of the reviews you're leaving us. We love hearing your feedback, it keeps us going, and truly helps us remember why we decided to share our story in the first place.
We go on to discuss the responses we got after dropping last week's episode.
To be honest, it was all a bit of a doozy! Some comments were great, and some were... less than amazing. Friends and family who listened to the episode contacted us, and we had meaningful discussions with many of the people around us about this subject.
Some comments online were quite negative, but we keep going forward, because this is an important conversation to have!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Reading one of your reviews (03:15)
- Sharing both side of the story (11:29)
- The aftermath of our last episode (17:42)
- Are hard conversations worth it? (26:31)
- Thinking about other perspectives (31:05)
- The difference between being passionate and being emotional (36:40)
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Hi there, it’s Jessica! And this week, Steve, Matt, and I discuss a topic we hold close to our heart: the church’s stance on LGBTQ people.
But first, a little update! We start with welcoming Steve, who is back with us now after his COVID mishap, and he is healthier than ever! Hooray to that!
We then go on to talk about the most fun subject you can discuss with your friends: funerals! And this is when we find out that Steve wants to be cremated when he dies, because who wants to spend eternity in a cemetery when you could spend it as ashes scattered somewhere beautiful?
This conversation gets us to talk about the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and their stance on our LGBTQ brothers and sisters!
As you might know, Steve grew up as part of the Mormon church, and was active in it until our divorce. And so, naturally, it's always played a big part in our lives.
This is the reason why, this week, we're discussing the changes we want to see in it, not just when it has to do with their stance on LGBTQ people, but also their overall culture.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve's funeral (no, he's not really dead) (05:07)
- Reading one of your reviews (11:42)
- The topic of the week (15:33)
- What is church culture? (18:44)
- Gays in the church (22:33)
- Finding the balance (28:39)
- On learning to love people (40:01)
- The importance of faith (48:30)
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Hi there, it’s Jessica! In this week’s episode, Steve, Matt and I discuss our lives with our children, the ups and downs, and what we hope they know!
We start with me (yay!) telling a story about Penny’s latest visit to the doctor. Always dreadful for a child, isn’t it? Steve and I also discuss Penny’s slight phone addiction (she’s really into playing Among Us these days) and how we’re trying to minimize her screen time!
Matt jumps in on the conversation and we all discuss the many ways we’re trying to bond with our children. Now that they’re becoming teenagers, they don’t enjoy the things we used to do together when they were younger, and so, the three of us had to adapt!
While talking about bonding with our children, Steve reminded me of how it was when we started dating, and tells stories of his own time as a teenager entering the dating world (spoiler alert: he wasn’t allowed to date until he was 18).
Finally, we read one of your reviews, because we’re always happy to hear from you guys!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Penny’s doctor visit (03:23)
- How to impose rules when you’re co-parenting (10:45)
- The importance of honesty (17:00)
- Bonding with your kids (23:12)
- The adventures of Steve and Penny (35:08)
- Finishing up with a review (47:13)
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This week’s episode starts with Matt talking about his latest trip to Moab, which prompts Steve to discuss his and Jessica’s first trip to Moab, back when they had just gotten married, and tells all about their adventures there.
Matt also touches on the change of dynamic with his ex-wife. He discusses their latest court hearing and its effect on their relationship.
He goes on to talk about how he had to learn to set up hard boundaries, not only for his own sake, but for the sake of their kids as well.
Finally, Matt and Jessica discuss the ups and downs of co-parenting with Matt’s ex, and how that is affecting their children’s lives.
Highlights of the discussion:
- This week’s giveaway (00:57)
- A reading of your reviews (05:37)
- Matt’s trip to Moab (10:05)
- Steve’s Moab trip story (19:00)
- Encounters with Steve’s ex-wife (24:04)
- The effects on children (28:55)
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In this week’s episode, Steve and Jessica discuss how they moved on after the end of their marriage and how different the process was for each of them.
They also talk about how they had to take time for themselves to emotionally heal first before they were able to become friends and navigate and nurture their new relationship. They share how their divorce journey was different, and Steve discusses the difficult things he went through after the separation.
Finally, Matt expresses how different his post-separation journey was and tells all about how he used the gym to make space for himself and find time to heal while taking care of his children full-time.
Highlights of the discussion:
- This week’s giveaway (00:54)
- Jessica's live lesson for March (05:48)
- A look at your reviews (07:46)
- Taking time for yourself after divorce (13:12)
- The importance of stability after a break up (18:58)
- Finding joy in what you have (27:58)
- Healing before reaching for the next thing (34:51)
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This month is Jessica’s birthday month, and as always, she’s making it worth her while! So get ready, because in this week’s solo episode, you’ll learn all about Jessica’s birthday month traditions, how they started, and why she's not giving up on them any time soon.
But that’s not the only thing she discusses in today’s episode!
Jessica also shares how she created a life she loved after her divorce, even when she felt like everything was working against her.
From teaching you how to show up for yourself to facing your fears and being responsible for your own happiness, Jessica discusses all the little (and big) things that can make a difference in your life!
Highlights of the discussion:
- It’s Jessica’s birthday month! (01:02)
- How to start living your best life (06:38)
- The only one you can control is you (09:42)
- Always be honest with yourself (12:27)
- Face your fears (16:26)
- Take action (19:44)
- Stop comparing yourself (20:46)
- Giveaway announcement (25:47)
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Picking up from last week’s episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica talk about the end of Steve and Tommy’s relationship. It was one of Steve’s longest relationships and definitely not an easy breakup for him.
They talk about the catalyst for the dissolution of that relationship and trying to hold it together for Pride weekend. Steve shares how he felt after it all ended and whether he got any closure at the end. They also touch on Penny’s feelings during it all and how it taught her the lesson of impermanence.
Finally, the three discuss Steve’s current dating life and what takeaways he’s carrying with him from that experience.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Jessica’s surgery (04:50)
- Jessica calls Matt in tears (12:07)
- Steve breaking up with his boyfriend (17:50)
- Getting closure from that relationship (24:00)
- Steve’s current dating life (32:00)
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This week, Steve, Matt, and Jessica discuss Penny's baptism and the emotions surrounding this event in her life.
Jessica and Steve weren't sure what Penny's involvement in the church would look like. With Steve choosing to leave the church when Penny was a baby, they both agreed to let her decide how active she would be in an effort not to sway her in any direction.
When Penny chose to be baptized, she was wholly supported, but it brought some emotions and tensions. Steve was reminded that he wouldn't be a part of this big moment in her life and struggled a bit with the sadness that comes with that. Steve was also confronted with some hostility from his dad and continues to work through that strained relationship's emotions.
Penny decided to have Matt baptize her, which strengthened their bond and reminded the family that good things can still come out of difficult situations. And at the end of the day, they each feel so blessed that Penny has such a strong support network.
Finally, Steve shares what it was like making his boyfriend a part of the experience and the results.
Tune in!
Highlights of the discussion:
- How they feel about having more children (05:00)
- If Steve was okay with Penny getting baptized (17:00)
- How her baptism went (25:40)
- Steve showing his support to Penny (32:07)
- Steve introduces his boyfriend to the family (37:00)
- The blessing of Penny having a great support system (43:00)
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Dating after divorce can be tough. In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica talk about Steve’s longest relationship since his marriage.
Steve shares how he met Tommy and reveals why their relationship wasn’t the best fit. The pair got along very well, but Steve started to realize that their lifestyles just weren’t compatible. As a single parent, Steve’s schedule is often hectic and filled with activities, and his partnership with Tommy seemed to suffer due to the demands of life.
He discusses the breakup and what he’s learned from that relationship. And next week, we’ll discuss how Penny handled it all!
Highlights of the discussion:
- How Steve met Tommy (07:08)
- Recognizing when a person doesn’t fit (13:50)
- If Steve’s relationship with Jessica and Matt makes it harder to date (20:20)
- Steve broke up with Tommy (28:30)
- Dealing with that breakup (34:10)
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This week's episode is a little different. Jessica is on the mic sharing her thoughts on how leaders can inadvertently lead us to feel shame.
Recently, Jessica was working on a weekly bible study and was taken aback by the lesson's message. Instead of uplifting her, it had the opposite effect and reinforced some of the negative ideals we put on women.
In so many ways, women are fighting an uphill battle when it comes to issues of equality. Today, Jessica discusses her perspective on some of the points brought up in her bible lesson and reveals how it came across as less than positive.
It's important to realize that no one is perfect. Even the people we look up to. It's okay not to agree with everyone's opinion, even when they are in a leadership position.
Tune into this week's episode! We're curious about your stance in this conversation.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Holding leaders accountable for the messages they send (06:00)
- What is a ‘good’ woman? (11:20)
- You are enough (18:00)
- Sometimes we have to dig deep within ourselves to find the answers (25:05)
- Women are powerful beings (33:05)
- Sometimes we do feel disappointed in ourselves (38:00)
- You are living YOUR life (45:05)
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First, they talk about the impact the reviews have on their lives. They are thankful for the feedback and support of the show. Jessica spends some time reflecting on moments with Penny, and why it’s important to soak in the everyday moments, we spend with our families.
Matt shares what unfolded after the court situation and talks about the new custody arrangement with the kids. They all talk about how they’ve coped with that timeline events and where they are now in their relationship with Ann.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The impact of our reviews (04:40)
- Musing on the day to day moments spent with the kids (13:00)
- The end of the legal proceedings (15:35)
- What things changed as a result of the court situation(20:50)
- The new custody agreement (26:50)
- What Penny knew about the situation (30:25)
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Matt, Jessica, and Steve discuss how they make it through the rough times and offer some tips that may help you!
But first, they spend some time talking about going “viral” on Instagram, reminisce on some of their “first time” experiences, and finally recap this most recent holiday season.
If you’ve been listening to the past few episodes, then you know they’ve been covering Matt’s custody issues with his kids. Those experiences have caused an immense amount of stress and have certainly been a challenge to overcome.
Matt shares how he’s coped and what’s gotten them through those hard times.
We hope that if you’re struggling too then, you find some support with this episode. Tune in!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Going viral (02:00)
- Talking about the first time (08:00)
- Jessica questioning her marriage (14:30)
- How to prepare for the rough patches (20:00)
- How they’ve made it through (29:10)
- Recapping the holidays (36:10)
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This week, we welcome back Steve to the podcast. He was out last week on a trip to Arizona. He shares his new year’s intentions and discusses his training schedule for his upcoming ultra marathon.
Matt and Jessica describe what led to Matt’s kids getting a psychiatric evaluation. They talk about what life was like during this time. They tell the stress it put on the entire family and how Matt dealt with his parenting being scrutinized.
At the end of the day, the best we can do is stick to our truth. Even in the face of adversity, it’s important to remember what makes us the people we are.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve’s new goal (02:55)
- Hating something you love to do (06:30)
- Steve’s new year intentions (09:00)
- Matt’s kids get a psychiatric evaluation (19:00)
- What is was like with the heat on Matt (32:00)
- Knowing the truth (38:50)
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Happy new year, everyone! We are so thankful to start off 2021 with you all and looking forward to the great things to come.
This week, Matt and Jessica discuss goals vs. intentions and how to be successful in setting goals. Many of us start the year with our hopes for what we want to change and accomplish. Matt and Jessica share their goals for the upcoming twelve months and the energy they’ll be bringing into it.
They also cover the differences between goals and intentions and how to implement both for the best outcomes. Jessica shares her podcast goals for this year, and they offer the reminder that the best plan of all is to keep things simple!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Needing a break from the kids (03:25)
- Difference between a goal and intention (04:30)
- The importance of going back and reviewing your year (11:22)
- 2021 goals for the podcast (19:50)
- Keep it simple (25:00)
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This week, Jessica shares her live lesson on creating Bold Boundaries in your life and relationships.
Maybe you feel like you've lost a part of who you are or are looking to create change in your life but not sure where to start. Or you've been struggling to show up to your life or relationships in a way that feels authentic to who you are. You let other people's opinions determine how you act or what you do, and you want to create more joy in your life.
If you are feeling any of those things, then this is definitely for you. We want to help create a safe space for you to navigate the ups and downs of life and cultivate the kind of joy that isn't dependant on any external circumstances.
Tune in!
Highlights of the discussion:
- The three steps we’re covering in today’s live lesson (06:20)
- Don’t let other’s issues become yours (11:00)
- You can control your actions in your life (17:15)
- Find and protect your joy (20:00)
- Say no to the distractions (24:45)
- Figure out what works for you (30:40)
- How to trust yourself more (37:00)
- Are you ready to take bold action? (42:10)
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This week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica keep things light and answer some questions you guys may have had from previous episodes.
They share what it’s like to put personal details about their life out in the open and revisit the conversation from last week. Matt describes Jack’s perspective on his custody issues with Ann. Jessica tells the parameters they’ve implemented in their interactions with Ann and how she and Matt struggled during this time in their relationship. Jessica needed Matt to know her worth if they were going to continue in their relationship.
Finally, they discuss a Christmas story that left them feeling a bit awkward but thankful nonetheless.
We wish you a very Merry Christmas!
Highlights of the discussion:
- What it’s like to share our stories (05:00)
- Jack’s perspective of the issue (09:45)
- How Matt and Jessica structure all of their conversations with Ann (14:30)
- Jessica needing Matt to know her worth (20:05)
- Sharing a Christmas story (24:30)
- Deciding what to do with the extra gifts (32:04)
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This week, Steve, Jessica, and Matt discuss more of the issues they faced navigating Ann's custody arrangement.
It seems the constant lesson to be learned through this season of Matt and Jessica's life is boundary setting. In this episode, Matt and Jessica are back into a routine with the kids but continually deal with the stress of having Ann's frequent interference.
Jessica is accused of withholding food from the kids, leaving her hurt and frustrated. She struggles with determining where she should set her boundaries and the decision of what caretaking responsibilities make the most sense for the family.
Listen to this week's episode to hear what she decided on!
Highlights of the discussion:
- A listener makes Jessica cry (05:30)
- Steve reflecting on last week’s episode (14:30)
- Jessica is accused of withholding food from the kids (25:00)
- Trying to figure out what she should and shouldn’t do for the kids (30:00)
- Watching the kids take on new responsibilities (36:20)
- Jessica’s upcoming boundary-setting class (42:15)
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This week, Matt, Jessica, and Steve pick up where they left off last week on their story about Ann’s restraining order against Matt.
During the whole custody fiasco, Matt got a knock on the door from the police. Ann had accused Matt of domestic violence and requested to have a restraining order put on him. This resulted in an incredibly tumultuous several weeks for the entire family as they went back and forth, trying to handle the situation best.
Tune into this week’s episode to hear how it affected each member and the ultimate resolution of this particular conflict.
Highlights of the discussion:
- What being bold means to Jessica (01:00)
- Matt gets a knock on the door from the police (14:00)
- Ann’s accusations against Matt (19:40)
- Matt’s emergency hearing (24:03)
- The judge’s determination on the restraining order (29:40)
- The little wins along the way (38:20)
- How Steve handled the situation from an outsider looking in (39:00)
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Jessica, Matt, and Steve are back from their break to talk about that cliffhanger they left you on!
If you’ve been following along with their timeline, then you know tensions are high between Matt’s ex-wife Ann and him. Today, they’re discussing the incident that ended with the cops intervening and Matt ending the day with charges pressed against him.
Tune in as they tell the whole story, what Matt had to do to protect his family, pursue his own healing, and learn from the whole situation!
Highlights of the discussion:
- What you can find in our online shop (04:00)
- Matt has to hire lawyers (13:00)
- Ann refuses to send the kids home with Matt (21:50)
- Dealing with a police confrontation (31:20)
- Matt goes to his bishop for healing (36:00)
- We create our reality for our families (44:50)
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We’ll be back for a regular episode next week but in the meantime, we wanted to pop in and give you an exclusive opportunity to join us in one of our favorite holiday traditions!
Jessica is making “little dudes” for the shop this year. They are gnomes that we have been gifting throughout our family for the last decade and we thought it would be a great idea to bring you in on the fun!
Listen to this short episode for the story behind our little gnomes and details for ordering one for your new family tradition. Have a very happy Thanksgiving and we’ll talk to you soon!
Highlights of the discussion:
- A special treat for our podcast listeners (01:00)
- Some background on this tradition (01:30)
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Life has been pretty stressful and hectic recently, so Matt, Steve, and Jessica decided to do some boundary setting and take a break for the next two weeks.
Matt’s business keeps him and Steve very busy, and Jessica has been in quarantine as she recovers from COVID. They thought it’d be best to take a little break and reenergize themselves so they can bring their best selves back on December 2nd for the next episode.
In the meantime, tune in for details on Jessica’s upcoming lessons and have a very happy Thanksgiving!
Highlights of the discussion:
- What’s been going on (01:00)
- When we’ll be back (02:20)
- Jessica’s upcoming lessons (03:50)
- Finding joy and gratitude in the moment (07:50)
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Matt and Jessica thought that buying a home would be an opportunity for a fresh and positive start. What ended up happening was Ann coming after Matt for more child support because in her mind it wasn’t fair that he was able to take that next step.
This led Matt and Jessica needing to get really clear on their boundaries as they navigated the storm to come. They struggled to agree on custody terms as well as what school the kids should go to. Because of the custody arrangement, the kids had a hectic schedule.
They talk about what life was like during this time and the emotions they felt as they went through that difficult time.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Discussing voting (07:00)
- How Matt and Jessica buying a new house was a shift in boundaries (14:00)
- Why Ann told Matt life isn’t fair (17:08)
- Matt and Ann trying to figure out what school to put their kids in (26:40)
- The difficulties of figuring out schedules for the kids (34:30)
- The day that everything really fell apart (40:05)
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Don’t give your time to people who make you cry on the playground.
This week we are tackling the importance of setting boundaries! Steve talks about quitting his job and his new career working with Matt’s company, Ship Zoom. They all muse on this new and exciting dynamic, and Matt explains his initial hesitation with bringing Steve on the team.
Jessica talks about her upcoming training on setting boundaries. She tells a story when a close friend confronted her to tell her she should leave her marriage with Matt. She explains her thoughts and frame of mind after that conversation.
That conversation left Jessica feeling raw and vulnerable. It opened her eyes to why we need boundaries in all of the relationships in our lives and how it benefits those relationships in the long run.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve quits his job (03:50)
- How brokenness can mean something is growing (11:00)
- Jessica will be teaching a free lesson on boundary setting (14:15)
- Matt and Jessica decide to sell the house they are living in (21:50)
- Jessica’s good friend suggests she leave Matt (28:15)
- Learning how to put up boundaries in friendships (34:30)
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This week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss some of the trials that can come up with co-parenting.
Matt and Jessica share their experience helping Ann move out and get an apartment for herself and the kids. They describe their hopes that showing support would help strengthen their relationship with her.
And for a while, it did until miscommunication got in the way and disrupted the progress they were making. Jessica explains the catalyst of that divide, and the three of them talk about trying to figure out better ways to communicate in a co-parenting situation.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve’s stinky weekend (03:05)
- Matt’s birthday weekend (08:30)
- Jessica and Matt’s fence drama (13:30)
- Helping Ann move out (19:35)
- Penny and Sarah’s miscommunication (25:30)
- One of Matt’s realizations from this encounter (31:00)
- Trying to figure out better ways to communicate (36:15)
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In this episode, Steve, Matt, and Jessica talk about how Steve and Sebastien decided to get back together and give their relationship another try.
Steve could never quite get over Sebastien after they first broke up. He struggled to date anyone else for three years as his heart still very much belonged to him. The second time around, it became incredibly clear that they just weren’t the right match.
Steve reveals some of the issues in the relationship and the growth he endured during that time. Listen to this week’s episode to learn more about his relationship and the changes he has gone through.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Sebastian comes back into the picture (07:20)
- Going out to dinner with the family (12:20)
- Why this was a difficult period is Steve’s life (18:20)
- How Jessica reminded herself she could get through the hard times with Matt (23:05)
- The feelings Steve had over buying his first home on his own (33:10)
- Trying to teach Penny Spanish (39:00)
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This week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica go over the timeline of Jessica and Ann’s relationship. The beginning of their relationship was pretty promising, and they got along quite well. Jessica discusses what she did to keep the relationship positive and as happy as possible.
She explains what it was like to let her guard down around Ann and their growing relationship. They also cover the moment the relationship began to dissolve and what the aftermath of that has been like.
The three offer an opinion on handling complex interpersonal relationships and what things to keep in mind to ensure a harmonious relationship with the people in your life.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Jessica’s had a weird week (06:26)
- Meeting the new person who Steve is seeing (08:45)
- The beginning of Jessica and Ann’s relationship (16:20)
- Jessica letting her guard down around Ann (20:20)
- The moment things shifted in their relationship (21:45)
- Navigating the ups and downs of that relationship (29:50)
- Matt’s viewpoint on Ann and Jessica’s relationship (32:15)
- Understanding our contributions and love languages (35:00)
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This week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss Matt and Jessica buying a home together, and Matt and Jessica’s dinner with Jack and Ann.
Buying a home was a pivotal moment in Jessica and Matt’s relationship. They struggled a lot during the early years of their marriage and questioned whether they would even stay together.
The home signaled a unifying moment between them that they were hopeful of sticking together and acted as a commitment to working together.
One of the issues they tackled was dealing with communication issues with Matt’s ex, Ann, and her husband, Jack. There was an incident where Ann was out of town, and instead of reaching out to Matt to watch the kids, she left them with Jack.
Because of a previous incident, they discuss in this episode, Matt feared for his children’s safety and resented the lack of consideration. Tune in to the episode to find out the results of that conversation.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve’s feelings while listening to Charlie Bird’s book (03:20)
- Jessica and Matt decide to buy a house together (13:50)
- Why they decided to buy the house (24:05)
- Dinner with the ex (30:50)
- Why Matt was uncomfortable with the kids staying with Ann’s husband (33:40)
- Matt fearing for the safety of his children (39:00)
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You might remember Jessica, Matt, and Steve discussing this in previous episodes. It's the meeting Steve had with the bishopric council to decide how he moved forward in his relationship with the church and Jessica. At this point, he still had hope that they could be together as he was unwilling to accept himself fully.
A disciplinary council meeting is conducted when a church member has sinned in a way that the church feels they need to be sat in front of a council of priesthood holders. The goal is to figure out how much discipline needs to happen to that individual, and how far that discipline goes.
So the individual, and sometimes spouses and families come to this disciplinary council and share what the story is. And then, the members of this council's ward discuss how a disciplinary timeline works in the individual's favor.
Steve shares how he felt going into the meeting and what his hopes and fears were. He also discusses the aftermath of feeling completely disconnected from God and unsure of his next steps.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Why Jessica stuck by Steve’s side through everything (06:17)
- How Matt feels about Jessica and Steve being so close (08:30)
- Mistakes that have been made establishing this relationship (13:45)
- What the disciplinary council is (20:25)
- Steve prepares to meet with the stake president (26:20)
- His biggest concern going into the meeting (28:23)
- Steve felt so alone after leaving the disciplinary council meeting (32:10)
- His feelings on whether he regrets going through it all (40:36)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica interview Tyler Christensen about being raised in the LDS church as a closeted gay kid and his subsequent journey coming out and finding solace in literature and Queer studies.
K. Tyler Christensen is a Ph.D. Candidate in American Literature & Culture in the English Department at The George Washington University (GWU) in Washington, DC. There, he teaches Creative Writing and American Literature. Additionally, he’s an instructor in the Critical Race, Gender, & Culture Studies Collaborative at American University.
They discuss his experiences in conversion therapy and the long road to accepting himself. Tyler now dedicates his time to collaborating with his students as they explore the history of sexuality and its place in modern society.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Tyler’s background in writing and Literature (7:50)
- His upbringing in the LDS church (15:40)
- How he came out to his family (19:05)
- Tyler starts to question his faith around the time he went on his mission (23:06)
- How his relationship with his conversion therapist started (30:25)
- What Tyler finds interesting about the LDS church’s relationship with its gay members (40:41)
- The courses that he teaches and the impact it brings to him and his students (51:02)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica pick up where they left off last week regarding Hank's situation.
Matt was surprised when Ann told him they were going to reveal the truth to Hank. He thought he had a couple of more years to plan the conversation that he wasn't Hank's biological father rather than just a few days.
They talk about how Matt prepared for that potentially life-altering conversation and how it went and the aftermath. They also discuss the questions and concerns that arose and how Hank dealt with the news.
Jessica also announces her upcoming live lesson happening on September 30th to help those looking to renew and accomplish their 2020 goals.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve shares his co-parenting story with a co-worker (04:05)
- Penny and Steve quarantine for a week (08:05)
- Getting the kids excited for virtual school (14:30)
- Matt’s feelings whether it was the right time to reveal to Hank that he wasn’t his biological father (18:24)
- How he explained the truth to Hank (23:30)
- Hank wonders who his biological father is (32:30)
- Steve and the Rainbow Rollers (34:20)
- The shift in Matt and Jessica’s relationship (38:40)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss when things really started to fall apart with Ann, Matt, and Jessica.
Co-parenting can be incredibly difficult. Especially when the parents involved struggle to communicate effectively. Matt and Jessica know this first hand in their experiences with Matt’s ex-wife. In previous episodes, they’ve alluded to the challenges that have come up, as a result, particularly involving Matt’s son Hank.
They talk about the blowup fight Matt had with Ann over whether Hank would continue to go to church or even spend time at his Dad’s house and the regrets from that fight. And they touch on Ann’s decision to reveal that Matt isn’t Hank’s biological father and the fears Matt had about that revelation.
Highlights of the discussion:
- What’s been going on with Hank (8:30)
- Matt’s blow up fight with his ex-wife (11:25)
- This was the turning point that showed everyone’s true colors (17:55)
- Regrets from that fight (19:00)
- Decision made regarding Hank’s baptism (23:15)
- The call Matt had with Anne regarding not being Hank’s biological father (31:30)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica interview the Poor Bishop from last week's episode, Jerry Sturgill. Jerry has played a prominent role in each of their lives and encourages them to live boldly in all that they do.
Today, he is sharing his viewpoint on the events of Steve and Jessica's relationship, and Matt and Jessica's. If you remember from last week, Jerry was the catalyst in Matt and Jessica finally facing their relationship problems. At his suggestion, they wait to seal their marriage in the temple until they had their issues sorted out.
The conversation leads to Jerry sharing his one belief about his faith and why his goal is to share love with all people. He is no stranger to conversing with those outside his own belief system. His open and loving nature has brought a lot of light and love to those around him. He even joined Steve at a Pride Festival one year.
Tune into this week's episode for more keen insight from Jerry on how he builds his life from a character of love and acceptance.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Matt, Steve, and Jessica’s individual relationship with Jerry Sturgill (02:04)
- The diversity present in the 13th ward (15:30)
- Matt’s relationship with Jerry was a blessing to everyone (22:50)
- Sometimes we miss opportunities for learning and sharing (27:18)
- Jerry helped save Jessica and Matt’s marriage (30:05)
- The evolution of Matt (38:15)
- You never know what people are struggling with (42:24)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss the time Jessica decided to leave Matt. They examine the nature and complexities of entering a second marriage.
About a year after their marriage, they decided it was time to get sealed in the church. But at the time, they were going through some serious marital strain. Jessica felt as if Matt didn’t really care if they were together and struggled to connect with him. Matt was still actively dealing with the pain from his first marriage and had issues separating his first wife from his new relationship with Jessica.
At the Bishop’s instruction, the two had to hold off on getting sealed until their marital issues were resolved. This decision caused them to have to confront their issues head-on and led to Jessica leaving Matt.
Even when she returned, it took a lot of time for things to get better as they navigated learning how to trust one another. Tune into today’s episode to find out how it all played out.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Husband In Law is also a soap opera (3:00)
- When Steve broke his foot (9:13)
- The process of getting sealed in the LDS church (16:30)
- The feelings surrounding Matt and Jessica preparing to get sealed (21:38)
- Jessica leaves Matt (30:45)
- Going into protection mode (37:29)
- Taking the next step and purchasing a house (42:16)
- How Steve internalized Matt and Jessica’s relationship issues (47:46)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica have a conversation with Chelsie Dort. Chelsie runs a popular blog and Instagram account dedicated to all things related to family life. Her content often refers to her experiences, raising a blended and biracial family.
Chelsie’s oldest child is from her first marriage and youngest three from her current one. Unfortunately, though her first marriage ended due to infidelity, she does not regret the experience at all. Through that challenge, she was able to learn so much about herself.
Growing up in Utah, Chelsie was raised in a predominately white area. Her first encounters with racial tension didn’t occur until she began dating her now-husband. She has had to confront her own experiences with white privilege and navigate, raising her biracial children.
Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss all things co-parenting and how she manages the daily demands of an active family. She also offers some great insight into what dealing with different parenting styles can look like and how to build strong ties and relationships between family members.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Introduction to Chelsie (02:04)
- Dealing with infidelity (04:15)
- Being in a biracial relationship(08:06)
- Experiencing racism for the first time (11:40)
- Chelsie’s account of her experience with white privilege (16:22)
- Bedford’s relationship with Chelsie’s oldest son (20:21)
- How Bedford and Chelsie’s parenting styles are similar and different (24:34)
- What it is like co-parenting Jack with her ex (29:01)
- Advice for those going through a co-parenting issue (42:47)
- A lesson for us and our listeners regarding navigating race relations (47:30)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve discuss the importance of sticking to your guns. It can be difficult to adhere to your values as a parent especially when they’re continually being challenged.
There are always challenges to overcome when raising a blended family. The influence of multiple parental figures can present new obstacles and modes of communication. Jessica reflects on a time she felt she didn’t stick to her guns and dealt with intense guilt over it.
When their blended family was in the early days of bonding, Jessica and Matt would often host sleepovers for all of the kids. It was a great time to get together as a family, and they have great memories of those times. Jessica had always held a personal rule that no sleepovers were allowed regardless of the circumstances. She felt strongly about this choice and never questioned her stance on it.
Except for the time she decided to let Penny sleepover at her step-siblings house. She wanted to show that she was trusting and open, but her decision left her anxious and disappointed. Tune in to the episode to find out how she navigated the situation.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Potato hotel (4:09)
- Driving was the precursor to social media (9:08)
- A big turning point in Steve’s life (18:21)
- Having all the kids together under one roof (25:29)
- Learning to stick to your guns (30:27)
- How Steve, Jessica, and Matt handled sleepovers as kids (32:30)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve talk about their experiences with Steve introducing his new boyfriend to them. Navigating their unique relationship continues to present interesting scenarios in each of their lives.
The dynamic Steve, Jessica, and Matt share is undoubtedly fascinating. They tend to be reminded of this whenever inviting anyone new into the fold in the form of relationships. Though he is happy to have such supportive friendships with Jessica and Matt, Steve has often been apprehensive about introducing new partners to them. They spend time unpacking why that is in this episode.
Steve believes there is a delicate balance when preserving the family unit and has tended to compartmentalize his romantic life with his familial one. Often, Jessica is the one to reach out and make a connection whenever Steve has a new boyfriend. They discuss why they feel it’s essential to have open communication and how to navigate friendships and relationships in a way that helps keep their family healthy and happy.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Being open to different paths and the lesson of openmindedness(3:42)
- Steve’s first relationship after Jessica and Matt got married (8:05)
- World’s colliding when there are interconnected relationships (17:00)
- What it was like for Jessica to meet Steve’s new boyfriend (21:20)
- How Steve dealt with his own judgments and insecurities. (27:17)
- The work that has to be done to ensure Steve and Jessica continue to have a strong relationship (34:14)
- How Matt makes other people feel comfortable upon meeting them (39:36)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve discuss Steve’s recent encounter with harassment at his work. A guest at his hotel spoke in a derogatory manner to one of the staff, which led to Steve confronting the guest and kicking him out. The guest used slurs against Steve, which led to how people are treated based on appearance.
As a gay man, Steve is often the subject of attention, and sometimes it can be negative. The three of them muse on the instances when it isn’t negative and how he is often given more compliments due to his “approachableness.” They decide that for whatever reason, whenever someone is considered a bit different from the rest, it lends to others feeling more comfortable to offer compliments and strike up a conversation.
This leads to them discussing the overall nature of compliments and how to give them appropriately. Jessica also mentions the importance of receiving a compliment well.
It is so important to claim our identity and an important part of that lies in accepting compliments.
Accepting our identity and living boldly and confidently is a precursor to joy. Jessica describes how the goal of her new course is to empower people to do that.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Steve deals with an issue of harassment at his work (2:05)
- Questioning whether he would have changed anything about the situation (7:02)
- What assumptions do we carry around with us? (13:00)
- This makes people more approachable (16:50)
- A good reminder to keep (23:17)
- Sometimes things have to change (25:30)
- Dealing with stupid comments (30:30)
- Joy can be hard for people to identify (35:05)
- Discussing different views of work (42:30)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve interview Charlie Bird, a gay active member of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints. Charlie is most famously known as the BYU mascot, Cosmo the Cougar. He gained notoriety for his impressive dance skills and many of his video clips have gone viral.
Since his time at BYU, Charlie has become an advocate for LGBTQ identities within the LDS church. He currently lives in Utah and is pursuing his master’s degree in social work to become a clinical therapist and work with other people like him. He has even written a book detailing his experience and offers advice for those in the LGBTQ community. He hopes that his experiences can help shed light.
Throughout his youth, Charlie seriously struggled with accepting his sexual orientation. Coming out as a gay man was a long road for him. For a while, he hid in shame due to his truth. It wasn’t until an encounter with other gay LDS members at a Pride event that he was finally ready to reveal his sexuality.
We are so happy to have Charlie on the show and hear his story of love, hope, and healing. His story has resonated with each of us in different ways, and we think it will have a transformative effect on you as well!
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Charlie Bird’s background (3:21)
- Charlie discusses his new book (5:46)
- Coming out as gay (8:40)
- How his brother reacted to him coming out (16:03)
- A healing path with his dad (17:35)
- His advice to others when coming out (21:44)
- Charlie’s spiritual encounter and accepting his sexuality (31:34)
- Living life according to your values (37:50)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss dive into why it was so hard for Jessica the first few years of our marriage. They start breaking down some of Matt's false beliefs and the stories he was telling himself about why he couldn't show up for her.
Matt and Jessica describe the hardships of the early years of their marriage. For Matt, he dealt with a lot of security issues and spent those years testing the waters of their relationship. To navigate those years, Jessica often confided a lot of her own fears to Matt and he continually gave her some insightful advice into her current marriage with Matt.
Though Matt and Jessica struggled, their commitment to marriage kept them focused on their goal of being a couple. That commitment is what allowed them to weather the storms that came their way.
They have struggled with communicating their love languages with one another. For instance, Jessica describes the importance of little notes of appreciation or how in the early days she felt Matt wasn’t verbally expressive enough with his love. Matt struggled with his aversion to following societal norms and hoped Jessica could see the other ways he expressed his care and affection.
Ultimately, they have all come to realize that love is always a work in progress. Now they work hard to show their love in ways each other will appreciate as well as take notice of the little acts they might have once over looked.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Jess’ funny story (6:00)
- Be Bold course (8:05)
- Testing the waters of their relationship (13:00)
- The commitment of marriage (22:10)
- Overcoming false beliefs (26:40)
- Expressing little acts of love (35:00)
- The takeaway from this episode (41:00)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss the ups and downs of co-parenting and how to keep your relationship healthy. It all starts with Steve’s story witnessing a custody battle (over a dog) while at work and leads into each of their own experiences with splitting custody.
Matt and Jessica describe the interesting situation they are in dealing with two custody situations on each end of the spectrum. Jessica explains what she’s had to learn along the way as a new stepparent and how to help raise and be an example for kids that aren’t biologically her own. It can be a struggle to find your role in your stepchild’s life. She mentions how that gets extra tough with so many parents involved and differing parenting styles.
Matt and Jessica also talk about the early days of their marriage and what it was like to learn how to build a foundation of trust. A pivotal point in their relationship revolved around Jessica’s sewing business and how that helped launch Matt’s dream career.
Finally, the three of them cover the importance of spontaneity and randomness in relationships. It’s so valuable to have time to be silly and carefree with your loved ones, and they offer some great tips on how you, too, can incorporate that energy into your own life.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Steve’s custody battle story (1:55)
- Musings over what dog custody might be like (4:18)
- Matt and Jessica’s unexpected custody encounters (5:16)
- Managing holidays and vacations while co-parenting (13:22)
- Dealing with toxic behaviors from other parents (20:00)
- Figuring out your role in your stepchild’s life (24:00)
- Jessica showing Matt that she could be trusted (29:46)
- Giving your partner reassurance and a boost of confidence (34:07)
- The importance of spontaneity in a relationship (40:06)
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In this episode, Jessica, Matt, and Steve move through their timeline of Matt and Jessica’s relationship. They talk about how their relationship created new roles for Matt in the church and how he struggled to find his place in it during this transition with Jessica.
Before Matt and Jessica started dating, Matt served the church as a Sunday school teacher. He was moved to the role of executive secretary of the ward after they met. In this role, Matt assisted the Bishop with scheduling and planning. He talks about being selected for the role all while feeling guilty about accepting it. He wanted to be in the right place and the right state of mind to fulfill the role but was still finding his place in his marriage to Jessica.
The three talk about making big decisions as a family and how nothing is as important as feeling loved and showing love in return.
Key Takeaways
- Social distancing practices (1:00)
- Hit top 100 in relationship podcast in the country (9:05)
- Matt’s calling in the church (14:15)
- Jessica’s calling in the church (18:44)
- Matt’s trip to Las Vegas with his friend (21:00)
- Matt and Jessica took a trip to St George (27:40)
- Matt’s ex wanted to move to Texas with the kids (29:01)
- Steve took a new job (34:39)
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In this episode, we welcome the Inclusive Step-Mom, Beth McDonough. Beth is a certified step-parent coach who uses her experience as a child of divorce, a step-mother, and attraction to women to help others adjust and find success as a step-parent.
Beth specializes in LGBTQ+ issues, being a childless stepmom, infertility, and strengthening stepfamilies. She talks to us about her mission to make everyone feel included. Too often online resources use language and family exclusive terminology. She developed a platform that welcomed everyone and communicates freely with those seeking advice on family dynamics or sexual preferences.
Beth relates to her clients by pulling on personal life experiences. She grew up learning to thrive in stepfamily dynamics. Her parents divorced when she was four years old and several father figures were in and out of her life. In 2017, she married her wife Jen, and began her own journey as a step-parent.
In this episode, she will talk about her method of becoming a step-parent and how she embraces her lifestyle and sexual preferences despite the opinions of others.
Key Takeaways
- Introduction of our guest, Inclusive Step-Mom Beth McDonough (1:20)
- The story behind the inclusive step-mom (1:58)
- Beth’s family (3:50)
- Beth’s story (9:25)
- Political opinions cutting family ties (13:28)
- Process of stepping into the step-mom role (14:23)
- Relationship with her wife’s ex (21:51)
- How to deal with the potential judgment of having three moms (25:10)
- Introducing your children to labels and seeing a variety of different relationships (33:15)
- Beth’s religious journey (35:05)
- The debate over saying born this way vs choosing the lifestyle (38:09)
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In this episode, Steve, Jessica and Matt discuss jealousy and how it gave them perspective on the changes that were happening not only in their lives, but the lives of their ex’s and their children.
Matt and Jessica’s new beginning meant a new normal for their children too. They talk about teaching their children that it is okay to show your step-parents the same amount of love they show their biological parents and vise-versa. It's a complicated topic that can vary based on each family's circumstances.
For Penny, she wanted a close relationship with Matt. Jessica and Steve supported this relationship, but Matt struggled to find a balance. He was jealous of the time he missed out on with his kids due to work. Jessica wanted an open relationship with Matt's children too. However, she felt the support Steve showed Matt was not reciprocated from his ex.
Jessica also shares that she was jealous of the affection Matt showed his kids. She was still working on encouraging Matt to open up to her as his wife, but didn’t feel the same affection Matt showed his children.
The three continue their conversations on the transition period of Matt and Jessica’s new marriage. Listen to this week’s episode for more.
Key Takeaways
- Penny connecting with Matt after Jessica and Matt’s marriage (4:22)
- Change in bedtime/daily routine with kids after marriage (6:09)
- Matt's ex did not fully support Jessica having a relationship with Matt's kids (9:52)
- Matt struggles with spending more time with Penny than his own kids (12:20)
- Jessica gets jealous of the affection Matt shows his kids (17:22)
- Not having enough knowledge to judge or understand a situation (20:18)
- Jessica joins new gym community (25:32)
- Taking care of your body and teaching positive body images (35:15)
- Steve’s embarrassing moment (43:40)
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In this episode, we are talking about the meaning of the word sonder, the realization that everyone has a life as complex as one's own. It’s a timely way of thinking as we all reflect on how we are showing up in our countries current climate.
This year has been a tough one. It has been a year of economic setbacks and, as of recently, a movement for change. Jessica begins this episode reflecting with Steve and Matt on today’s cultures and their sense of responsibility to understand the crusade for change and reflect on how they personally want to show up for it.
The open conversion about current events happens to unintentionally tie into the planned discussion for this week’s episode. Jessica wanted to talk about her experiences with counselors. After a negative counseling experience, she found one counselor who taught her something so relevant to her situation, but something that is also extraordinarily relevant today.
Jessica’s counselor compared life to a movie, explaining that she is her own star in her life and a supporting actress in the lives of others around her. She learned that she fit into Matt’s story, but his personal life is full of complexities he is figuring out as the star. Looking at the bigger picture of today, you never know the complexities someone else may be experiencing. It’s not your movie. Together we can work together to understand everyone's roles and not only be supporting actresses and actors, but a support system.
Key Takeaways
- Reading reviews (1:04)
- Husband In Law merchandise (3:25)
- Idaho Pride update (6:00)
- Reflection of how we show up in the country's current conditions (6:55)
- Changing our mindset (16:15)
- Sending peaceful messages (17:59)
- Jessica sees a counselor (22:59)
- Matt had a good experience with a counselor but bad overall experience (24:55)
- Jessica’s conversation with her first counselor (25:45)
- Jessica’s second counselor (27:50)
- Sonder and what it means (32:03)
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This episode marks the one year anniversary of Husband In Law. Steve, Jessica and Matt thank their listeners for following their story and share some of their favorite moments recording.
Taking the first step and deciding to start a podcast wasn’t an easy decision. Jessica has mentioned before that she felt a calling to help make a difference in people’s lives. For her that calling led to this podcast. Steve struggled with sharing his story and worried about the criticism he thought he would receive. Ultimately, he decided that other people’s opinions were not as important as sharing a message that could help someone going through similar experiences. Matt’s reasoning for sharing was similar. He says he wished he had something like this podcast to turn to in his past relationship.
Steve, Jessica and Matt have found personal growth through these shared experiences. Reminiscing their past and being open with one another while recording is like their personal therapy sessions. Because of Husband In Law, the three have found happiness in places they didn't look before. They recognize that no one has the perfect relationship or the perfect parenting technique and that’s okay. It’s these moments that help us grow together.
Key Takeaways
- One year podcast anniversary (1:15)
- Courage to start the podcast (1:40)
- How Steve came around to the idea of doing a podcast (5:40)
- Fears of criticism (6:15)
- Individual takeaways from the podcast so far (7:07)
- Followers favorite moments (9:40)
- What Jessica loves about the podcast (18:00)
- Podcast has been therapy for Steve (20:10)
- Matt, Jessica and Steve reminisce many firsts thanks to the podcast (23:59)
- Why Jessica shaved her head (26:50)
- Reflection of happiness and how they feel a year into the podcast (35:45)
- How the podcast created more contentment in their lives (40:32)
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In this episode, Jessica talks about her trip to the Grand Teaton and how the vacation turned out to be a giant hurdle emotionally and physically. The beginning of Jessica and Matt’s marriage has been the topic of the last few episodes. Jessica and Matt have been struggling to have the open conversations they need work through the transition of a second marriage.
This week, Matt and Jessica reconnect at the state fair after Jessica searches for clarity at the top of the Grand Tetons. She starts the episode with a journal entry from the trip. She talks about the disconnect she felt with Matt and her disappointment that he choose not to go on her family trip. It’s a decision Matt made because he still felt the pressures to give up before he gets too invested.
After the trip, Jessica and Matt make some much needed time for each other and go on a date to the state fair. It’s here where Jessica begins to stop feeling Matt push and the two regain hope.
Listen to this week’s episode for more on how they overcome these hurdles and find time for each other, by allowing themselves some personal time to reflect. Plus information on a special offer on Jessica’s Be Bold course. For more on the course visit, www.beboldcourse.com/bebold
Key Takeaways
- Jessica got tested for coronavirus (2:15)
- Open registration for Jessica’s Be Bold course (5:35)
- Coming up on a year anniversary of Husband in Law (9:10)
- Jessica shares journal entries from their trip to the Grand Teton (13:16)
- Climbing the Grand without Matt (16:27)
- Matt’s response to why he did not go on the trip (17:57)
- Jessica asks Matt reconnect on a date after her trip (21:11)
- Jessica’s conversations with her family about Matt during her trip (31:08)
- What Matt talks about how he struggled to help Jessica during the transition (34:00)
- The benefits of taking personal time in a relationship (38:31)
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In this episode, Jessica Matt and Steve continue their conversation about the early days of Matt and Jessica’s marriage. In previous episodes, Matt talks about immense responsibility settling in after the wedding. He was struggling to open up to Jessica about his feelings and it came off seemingly distant and less interested in the relationship.
The three talk more about those feelings while focusing more on how the hesitation impacted Jessica. One of the first noticeable changes was Matt no longer wanted to have another child with Jessica. He worried how it would affect their children they have and it was an added pressure. Jessica was comfortable with the decision. She admits that she had struggles to get pregnant in the past and felt that she was being called in another direction- this podcast where she can share her experiences to help others.
Jessica shares journal entries that document her feelings in the start of her marriage. She was looking for a deeper level of communication, but understood that Matt needed time to adjust. It wasn’t until a family vacation that Jessica started to question the future of their marriage. They took a trip to California where Matt distanced himself from Jessica and hardly talked to her the whole trip.
They talk about subtle changes as they moved forward and how small gestures gave them assurance that they were meant to be.
Key Takeaways
- Announcing the podcast in Spanish (1:18)
- How Matt and Jessica find 1 on 1 bonding time in their crazy schedule (5:00)
- Matt decides he doesn't want another kid their wedding (7:18)
- It wasn’t easy for Steve and Jessica to get pregnant with Penny (8:50)
- Jessica was okay with not having kids after Penny. Felt strongly like there was something she was called to do in addition to being a parent (14:42)
- Matt talks about his concerns with having another child (18:14)
- Jessica reflects more on the struggles she and Matt faced in the beginning of their marriage though journal entries (21:05)
- Matt and Jessica take a tough trip to California (23:20)
- Jessica realizes her struggles with Matt and also starts to question the marriage (26:35)
- A trip to lake Tahoe gave them clarity on their future (43:07)
- Advice for couples struggling (46:48)
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In this episode, Matt opens up about how financial stress weighed on him in the beginning of his marriage with Jessica. Debt accumulation from his past relationship put up a temporary wall with new experiences with Jessica. They get on the subject when Steve starts a conversation about his involvement in Jessica buying a new car. He shares how he still felt a responsibility for Jessica’s well-being after their divorce and wanted to be there for her, including with finances. He brings up that he and Jessica even shared a credit card a year into her and Matt’s marriage.
The three will discuss that credit card and why finances were a hurdle in the beginning of Matt and Jessica's relationship. Matt shares how his last marriage led him into financial debt that took a toll on his emotions and trust. Matt has held a job since he was 13 years-old and did not feel the pressures of finances until his first marriage. He shares how he climbed out of debt as a single man and feared the worst when it came starting over with Jessica.
Matt and Jessica talk about their system of writing checks for the first 6-8 months of their relationship. For Matt it was a way he could balance his finances, Jessica felt the constraints it was putting on their new marriage. They will share how, in any relationship, conversation is key and how they moved forward with financial responsibility as a married couple.
Listen to hear the advice they have for couples in their second marriage and why it’s important to talk about any baggage you are still carrying with you.
Key Takeaways:
- Reading through honest reviews 2:49
- Matt, Steve and Jessica encourage you to write reviews, so we can have open conversations 5:24
- Review of our interview with Jimmy Rex and why we responded the way we did 6:45
- Steve and Jessica kept a joint credit card a year into her marriage with Matt 18:48
- Transition into shared finances with Matt and Jessica 19:12
- Worries about past debt left an impact on Matt - 25:47
- Matt questions whether he wanted to give up on being married and having more responsibility 30:07
- Matt coming back from debt only and viewing himself as more than financially stable 32:11
- Advice for second marriages 37:02
- Matt’s struggle with open conversation 39:27
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into the night of their wedding and what Steve did. Steve will start off by hilariously talking about how that day was “a great milestone” in his life because he had just given away his ex-wife. He left the wedding feeling like a huge burden had been lifted from him and the feeling was actually similar to what he felt the day he rode his bike away from Jessica after they had officially ended things. After that he had to redo his apartment with a friend of his because it had too much of Jessica’s taste in stuff, and that whole process was very therapeutic for him.
The three will discuss how reality hit Matt hard on their second night of marriage because he realized that he was in an almost similar situation to that of his first marriage where in the beginning being married to Ann was so much of a burden for him because he had found himself providing for a new wife (who was not so good with finances) and a baby on the way without even getting to have a honeymoon phase in their relationship. Steve understood what that dilemma was like for Matt, and was afraid that his marriage to Jessica was somewhat similar in that regard, because with Jessica, he also found himself with the same kind of responsibilities, if not more.
Matt and Jessica will then share what their honeymoon was like and all the amazing places they visited before getting back home to real life, and how they went on to have a rough first few years. Matt will flashback to their honeymoon trip where they were in an airport heading to Guatemala, and Jessica suggested that they should go have sex in one of the bathrooms, but Matt couldn’t do it because he wasn’t used to having a very active sex life during his first marriage. That is something that he struggled with for a while during their marriage, but he eventually managed to rid himself of it. Listen in to hear more of the story because it’s going to be super insightful about the fact that relationships have diverse challenges and how to deal with them to come out stronger at the end.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Weed, bongs, and Matt’s knowledge on almost everything (01:02)
- Jessica’s funny laugh and the fun of listening to the show at a 1.5 speed (04:44)
- What Steve did on Matt and Jessica’s wedding night (06:48)
- How Steve had to redo his apartment because it used to scream “ex-wife” (10:53)
- The friend who helped Steve from spiraling down to a bad place (18:00)
- Sorting out and getting rid of Ann’s stuff (14:34)
- The communication issues Matt had from his previous marriage (20:48)
- One of the major things that were really hard for Matt in their young marriage (27:39)
- Waiting until marriage to have sex and how important it is for connection (34:17)
- How Steve used to feel like Jessica’s misfortunes were his fault (38:27)
- A change from the mentality of courtship to real life (42:03)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will welcome Jimmy Rex to talk about his experience with leaving the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A lot of people have been reaching out to them with questions about navigating their relationship with the LDS church, and they have all had a lot of interest in that, and the beliefs people have within the church. Jimmy has a great perspective of being in and outside of the church, and the importance of an individual bringing good into the world above everything else. He acknowledges that it's more important to be a good person, and to love the people around us than to affiliate with a specific religious group.
Jimmy grew up in a family that was very active in the LDS church and he went on missions, and did all the things that are expected of a Mormon child, but by his 20s he would be super conflicted because the kind of lifestyle he desired was not in line with the doctrines of the church. He would have a hard time in almost every aspect of his life, especially dating. He was a devout Mormon and followed all of the church’s beliefs, but by age 32 he had had enough of subscribing to doctrines that he didn’t agree with, so he started studying everything he could find on the church, and that enlightened him in a huge way.
He started looking for spirituality in other ways and studying other religions which led him to a level of spirituality that was so much greater than what he had ever had when he was in the church. Jimmy is now happier, more fulfilled, and he gets to love himself in a different way. He doesn’t worry about what the rules and regulations (doctrines) are anymore, and gets to just focus on who he is, and even more so, other people. That has enabled him to build greater relationships with the people around him and to be more impactful in society. Stay tuned for more of his amazing story and the life changing insights he has to share.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- How his religious beliefs started conflicting with what he felt was right (01:56)
- Looking for spirituality in other ways and getting more than he was getting in church (06:34)
- Figuring out that his whole life needed to be about love (09:02)
- The contribution having a mission statement for his life made (15:58)
- Having better connections and relationships even with his family who are still active in the LDS church (19:11)
- Overcoming blind obedience through questioning everything that doesn’t make sense (21:36)
- Sharing pure love and helping other people get happiness and live extraordinary lives (26:15)
- His awesome podcast and the positive impact it’s making in society (29:25)
- The Coronavirus and how it’s a way for the universe to heal itself (31:45)
- Retraining our minds for gratitude through paying attention to where certain gifts are (33:51)
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- The Jimmy Rex Show
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk all about the week before Matt and Jessica got married. Jessica will talk about how empowering her bachelorette party was because of all the awesome things she got to experience like learning how to pole dance and lap dance. Matt on the other hand doesn’t remember much of his bachelor party except that they went long-boarding, because he had to go to Ann’s house after she called him and asked him to go pick up their kids because her husband had physically abused her.
He considered calling the police on the man but the man’s mum was present at the scene and she requested him not to because it would destroy his future. Matt had to take his kids away from that scenario, and he took them to stay with Jessica, which was the first time she had all three kids with her. That experience gave their marriage a little bit of a weird start because it affected Matt so much.
On the day of the wedding, Jessica recalls that Matt’s daughter Sarah came up to their house to get ready with all the girls, and she all of a sudden got very emotional because there was an issue with her hair. But Jessica feels Sarah’s reaction to her hair issue was more about the fact that she couldn’t process that her dad was marrying someone else. Fortunately, Jessica’s aunt Cassie calmed Sarah down and got her excited. They all later went to the little chapel where they got married in the presence of a few members of their extended families and friends. Stay tuned to hear more of the heartwarming story about how the day went down.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- How Matt hates it when Jessica plays with his ears (03:30)
- Jessica’s bachelorette party and taking classes in pole dancing and lap dancing (10:32)
- Matt’s horrible experience on the day of his bachelor party (12:26)
- How Steve met Ann and her husband for the first time (18:49)
- Steve going to the wedding and showing support for Matt and Jessica’s union and the therapy he had to go through a month before (22:01)
- The benefits of counselling and how everyone should get it even without having major issues (27:46)
- How Matt slowly disclosed to Jessica what really happened between him and Ann (33:24)
- Luncheon at the Golden Phoenix and the toast Steve had prepared that he didn’t do (34:07)
- Finding out if different aspects of a relationship work before getting married (43:28)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will continue their conversation on how dating was like for Matt and Jessica before they got married. They will dive into the subject of love languages, which refer to how different people love each differently. Jessica will explain how she is comfortable with her weird mix of love languages because everyone in her life loves her in their own unique way and she appreciates it. Matt’s love language towards Jessica for example, includes him understanding the importance of accepting Steve as part of their lives because he’s always known what Steve means to Jessica and Penny.
Steve’s love languages when he was married to Jessica and in life in general are physical touch, words of affirmation, and quality time. He was always very affectionate and touchy, especially in public. It took Jessica a lot of getting used to when she got married to Matt because Matt is not affectionate. However, he was more affectionate when they were dating, and made up for the inadequate affection by always writing cute texts and notes for Jessica. They will highlight the value of couples doing nice things for each other without expecting anything in return and address the issue where a woman doubts her partner’s motives when he does a nice thing for her because she thinks he just wants to score some sex in return.
A nice gesture goes a long way in making a person feel loved, and for women especially, when it’s done with the expectation of nothing in return, they tend to show up better in the bedroom. Matt and Jessica will share so much more about the time they were dating, like how they never went out on many dates because they just couldn’t, and how Matt designed Jessica's ring and had it custom-made so he could propose to her with it. It’s all going to be a super interesting look at what a great relationship that can lead to marriage should look like, and so much more, so don’t miss out.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- The first time the Hosanna shouts were done outside (03:29)
- Steve’s time of big self reflection when he always takes a good hard look at where he is in life and how he feels about it (06:23)
- The peace and calm of watching conference (09:18)
- Avoiding the habit of beating ourselves up and thinking we have to hit some high standard of something none of us are ever going to get to (12:00)
- Opening ourselves up to being okay with receiving love in different ways (16:15)
- Steve’s starvation for affection because of the quarantine (22:04)
- It doesn’t take much to show people love (23:08)
- Taking a birthday trip whether the quarantine is lifted or not (29:06)
- The backstory of how Matt designed a ring and proposed to Jessica (32:16)
- Getting married at an adorable teeny tiny church (35:13)
- How sewing, cooking, and food canning skills will come in handy during this time (40:10)
- Why Jessica never went mountain biking with Steve and yet did it with Matt (48:08)
- The bishop who not only married Matt and Jessica, but was also Steve’s bishop (52:25)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about how dating was like for Matt and Jessica before they got married. They’ll start off the episode by sharing how they’re all doing with social distancing and "sheltering in place" due to the global Coronavirus pandemic. Things have been out of balance for Steve because all he’s been doing is work (working a ton of hours because they laid off 12 out of their 17 employees) and self quarantine at home alone which makes him feel the loneliness of being single. Penny on the other hand has been doing a lot of reading and calling her cousin almost every day so they can do math problems together. They’ve even made things a little bit more fun by doing writing prompts.
Jessica’s experience has been a little bit different because she’s been guilting herself to tears for not doing enough stuff on a daily basis because of the limitations of the self quarantining. On some days she’s getting some things done to her satisfaction while on others she can’t do anything for a whole day, and that makes her feel like she’s failed, but she’s been learning not to be too hard on herself. Matt is also having different experiences with the whole pandemic and the chaos it’s causing in people’s lives, but he feels that everyone should be grateful and appreciative of the people who are out there still working so that everyone can still have access to essential goods and services.
Getting into Matt and Jessica’s dating, Jessica knew from the very beginning that they would end up together and several people in her life were also making suggestions that her and Matt would be great together, but it wasn’t until nine months were gone that they actually started dating. Matt was dating someone else, but when they chatted with Jessica he would express the fact that he wanted to break up with her because he was done with relationships. All the while Jessica was making sure Matt knew she was interested in him, and how they ended up dating will make for a hilarious and amazingly lovely story that you won’t wanna miss, so stay tuned.
Highlights of the discussion:
- What the Coronavirus social distancing has been like (01:33)
- Penny’s amazingly creative writing skills (04:11)
- How people in a relationship are driving each other crazy from being self-quarantined together (13:36)
- The importance of being an engaged parent and how hard it is sometimes (14:39)
- Having some grace for others during this difficult time (23:14)
- How Matt and Jessica came to be, and how Jessica pulled a “New Girl” on Matt (31:11)
- Making moves on each other and going out on a real date (37:20)
- The friend of Jessica’s who hated Steve because of his laugh (39:07)
- Talking about marriage two weeks into dating (46:16)
- Stepping right into the void that Jessica left in the single moms club (48:52)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will have a conversation with Jason Dunnigan, better known as The Modern Dad on Instagram. His Instagram handle, the_modern_dad, is an ode to his message and belief that dads need to be more involved in their children’s lives than they traditionally have been. While he’s an expert social media marketer and runs global social media accounts for a craft company, his true passion lies in being a husband and father. He is married with four children, and is known for his love of shopping, fashion, and all things family focused.
Jason will hilariously share his great story about learning to love himself and being an awesome dad and husband. They will all start off by sharing what they’ve been going through with the effects that the Coronavirus related shutdowns have had on their personal lives. Jason’s journey started in Elementary school where he got teased a lot and the other kids thought he was gay because he liked jumping rope with the girls instead of playing with the boys. He wasn’t so much into most of the things that boys were into and that put a lot of social pressure on him because people kept saying mean things about him, and he just couldn’t understand what made people think of him that way when he was just being himself and enjoying it.
That continued all through into his late teens until at one point when he got sick of it and decided to move to California where he experienced so much acceptance that he figured out all he needed to do is not care what anyone else thought of him, and just love and accept himself as he was. Now, Jason is the perfect example of what it means to live your best life by being true to who you are. Stay tuned as he shares how he got to the point of owning who he is and how that set him free, so you can apply the same to set yourself free from the confines of caring too much about what other people think of you.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Matt’s worst nightmare dressing rooms (02:19)
- Why Jason calls himself The Modern Dad (04:11)
- Knowing the comfort of leggings and doing the single ladies dance in a custom made leotard and heels (08:12)
- Having to still go to work despite being in a digital oriented position (12:57)
- How Jason learned to accept who he was and love himself (15:17)
- The biggest misconception that people had about him (22:30)
- Crazies of getting married at 30 and Jason’s opinion on online dating (26:15)
- The detriment of getting so caught up in who everybody else thinks we're supposed to be (34:16)
- Helping people accept and love themselves (43:24)
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- Jason “The Modern Dad” on Instagram
- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will be talking about Matt’s dating life right after his divorce was finalized. He has been going through a very rough divorce because his ex-wife had insisted that she would be the one to file the divorce papers, and she dragged it on for more than a year and a half during which time Matt was going through the dry spell of the century. He wanted to start dating, and he weirdly expected lippage (making out) on the first date with the first person he would date, but his mom advised against it, so he shelved the dating idea altogether.
After the divorce was finalized, he could finally start dating, but he was having a hard time finding the kind of person he was looking for from the network of people he knew. So he joined a dating website called LDS Planet, and with his great copywriting skills, he was able to build a good dating profile that got him a lot of potential dates. The dating experiences he had with the different women were not so encouraging for him because he was looking for something serious with someone he had stuff in common with.
The one thing he didn’t like is the fact that about 75% of the women would lie about themselves on their LDS profiles. An example was when he went on a date with someone and noticed that she walked funny like she was handicapped, but she had never mentioned on her profile that she was handicapped. Matt will share the experiences he went through dating each of the women he dated before he met Jessica, and it’s going to be a mix of funny and inspirational storytelling that will definitely make your day. So make sure you stay tuned.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Dealing with a very long dry spell and wanting lippage on a first date (03:35)
- Looking for somebody with common beliefs and who was truthful and faithful (07:42)
- Enjoying LDS Planet and selling himself with great copy (09:52)
- The experience Matt had with dating women who were not truthful about themselves (13:04)
- How people set themselves up for disappointment with dating (15:36)
- Four or five girlfriends before Jessica and some of the freaky things they were into (19:54)
- From touching ribs to choking: From one extreme to another (24:49)
- Dating the perfect girl and how Jessica started hitting on him three weeks into that relationship (30:17)
- Realizing that Jane wasn’t the one and sitting next to Jessica in church (37:06)
- The cycle of the never ending story that almost made him give up on marriage (40:58)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into Steve’s dating life right after him and Jessica ended things, and they’ll start off the conversation with an interesting discussion on the type of guys he’s attracted to and likes to date. Right after ending things with Jessica for good, Steve dated Sebastian and after that too was over, he got into the dating scene in Boise. He had a bit of a rough time in the beginning because, as he later learned, he wasn't meeting the expectations of most of the guys who were interested in him, due to the fact that he was neither looking to mess around nor get into a serious long term relationship.
The first guy he dated was very understanding and gave him space because he knew he was just starting out in gay dating. He was a great guy and was actually also friends with Jessica even after he ended things with Steve to the point where he actually took care of her, did her hair for free, and even went out dancing with her. Jessica was always very supportive, loving, and welcoming of every guy Steve dated which made being new to gay dating much easier for Steve. She got comfortable with pushing the boundaries when it came to supporting Steve in his new lifestyle because she understood what Steve was doing was not personal to her or a reflection of how he felt about her.
She knew Steve cared a lot about what she thought of his new life and all she wanted was for him to love and accept himself, and understand that she was okay with his new life. Steve will share how he got his first group of gay friends when he joined St. Michael’s church by the Capitol building in Boise. It was a very accommodating gay church but he only went there for six weeks because he discovered that religion wasn’t for him. It’s going to be quite an interesting episode getting to learn about Steve’s dating experiences and how they positively impacted Jessica’s life. You can also expect some awesome inspiration on acceptance of self and others, and how to make the best out of your relationships. Enjoy!
Highlights of the Discussion:
- Steve’s “type” and how he’s attracted to qualities he wants to develop in himself (05:14)
- The learning curve to gay dating and the two ends of the spectrum when it comes to gay dating (08:25)
- Enjoying a three-month relationship that would expire at the end of the summer (13:14)
- Standing by Steve and pushing him in his new gay dating life (15:52)
- Meeting all the guys Steve had short and long term relationships with and being friends with them even after Steve broke up with them (19:48)
- The church with the great gay clergy, gay choir, and gay everything (20:34)
- Taking his new gay friends to his ex-wife’s house for dessert (22:00)
- Being the straight person at a gay club and being groped by a gay man (28:00)
- The issue of standing in holy places and what it should really mean (31:44)
- The value of dating to learn (39:22)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will share the second part of their conversation with Lindsey Ellison, a speaker, writer, and relationship expert whose main expertise comes from her experiences and studies dealing with narcissists. Lindsey specializes in narcissistic abuse, and is the author of the bestselling book, “MAGIC Words: How to Get What You Want from a Narcissist.”
She comes on to share her inspiring story from growing up with a narcissist father, being married to a covert narcissist, being divorced and single at 35, dating a psychopathic narcissist, and grappling with an identity crisis, to discovering what narcissism is, and starting to help people understand it.
She will also discuss her step-by-step formula for creating a communication plan and script of empowering magic words that can help neutralize the power struggle that one has when they are co-parenting with a narcissist, and detail exactly what to do, how to do it, and why it works. If you listened to part one then you definitely won’t wanna this one. And if you haven’t listened to part one then you should go back and have listen before you jump onto this one. Either way, you’ll wanna stay tuned.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Being clueless about unconditional love and how narcissistic parents affect their children (00:53)
- Creating drama in her life so that she could get attention from her dad (06:14)
- The only way a narcissist can make things work in a codependent relationship (08:50)
- A classic narcissist move to identify one even when they seem to be a great guy (13:46)
- Teaching teenagers the consequences of narcissism to nip it in the bud (18:10)
- How narcissists get their supply from their own kids (20:01)
- The importance of teaching our children boundaries and to be okay with the consequences of the boundaries (24:01)
- It’s alway either outsmarting them or neutralizing the power struggle (25:44)
- A dysfunctional relationship is when someone doesn't respect your boundaries (30:40)
Additional Resources:
- Magic Words By Lindsey Ellison
- Unbreakable You: Breakup Without Being Broken Podcast
- www.LindseyEllison.com/
- Lindsey on Instagram
- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will have a conversation with Lindsey Ellison, a speaker, writer, and relationship expert whose main expertise comes from her experiences and studies dealing with narcissists. Lindsey specializes in narcissistic abuse, and is the author of the bestselling book, “MAGIC Words: How to Get What You Want from a Narcissist.”
She comes on to share her inspiring story from being married to a covert narcissist, being divorced and single at 35, dating a psychopathic narcissist, and grappling with an identity crisis, to discovering what narcissism is, and starting to help people understand it, so they can stop being victims and take charge of their own lives.
She will also discuss her step-by-step formula for creating a communication plan and script of empowering magic words that can help neutralize the power struggle that one has when they are co-parenting with a narcissist, and detail exactly what to do, how to do it, and why it works. If there has ever been a resourceful episode not to miss, it’s this one. So stay tuned.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Lindsey amazing backstory and her experience being with a narcissist (03:43)
- How she became a narcissism expert and found out that her ex-husband was a covert narcissist (06:27)
- Helping people understand narcissism and how skilled narcissists are at making their partners feel crazy (08:14)
- Levels of narcissism and the physical, financial and emotional abuse that comes with each (09:51)
- Boundaries are kryptonite to narcissists (15:44)
- The real tragedy of the narcissism disorder (19:22)
- Matt’s classic parental alienation experience with his ex (23:34)
- The work you have to do on yourself is to not be afraid of them (27:06)
- We attract our partners who reflect the parent that wounded us the most (32:11)
Additional Resources:
- Magic Words By Lindsey Ellison
- Unbreakable You: Breakup Without Being Broken Podcast
- www.LindseyEllison.com/
- Lindsey on Instagram
- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will chat about when it is the right time for someone to introduce whomever they’re dating to their kids, especially when they’re in a co-parenting/blended family arrangement. Jessica feels that the way to handle that is very personal and depends on the unique situation one is in. In her own experience, when she dated someone she would sometimes introduce him to Penny right away, but the one thing that she applied with every one of them including Matt (even after they were married), was that she was very cautious to never leave Penny alone with any of them. She echoes the importance of someone communicating with their co-parent about the people they’re dating if only to maintain a fair level of mutual respect.
For Matt, when he would introduce someone to his kids would be determined by whether or not they had kids because he felt that someone who had kids would better understand what it was like to be a parent. The kind of relationship one has with whomever they’re dating is also critical because for example, Matt, Steve, and Jessica knew each other from church long before Matt and Jessica started dating, and so when they started dating it was easier for Jessica and Penny to trust him.
Steve on the other hand believes in introducing someone to Penny to gauge whether they will have any sort of chemistry before he decides to take get more serious with that person. The last relationship he was in was very serious, and they were practically living together, but when they broke up, the guy totally disappeared and Steve could see that Penny had a difficult time processing that. That made him incredibly cautious about ever getting serious with anyone else.
They all agree that one should be open with their kids about the people they’re interested in or dating, have a discussion with their co-parent about it, and generally talk to their kids about hard conversations so the kids can know that they can trust them to be honest with them. If you’re a co-parent or dating someone who is a co-parent with someone else, then this is going to be a very interesting, impactful, and resourceful conversation to listen to. Don’t miss out.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve’s love for travel and taking advantage of every trip (03:22)
- A woman that a gay man uses to mask his gayness (04:34)
- It's totally personal and kind of depends on the situation (07:19)
- Thinking about it from the child’s point of view (13:31)
- The awkward situation of saying goodbye to an ex’s kids when you break up (18:28)
- Letting the other parent know what's going on in the children's lives (23:12)
- The first time Penny saw Steve kiss another man and how he handled the situation (25:17)
- The importance of overly communicating things when raising a child together (31:48)
- Making sure that your kids can come to you with anything (35:30)
- The advantages and disadvantages of dating someone who has kids (41:16)
- An open communication with your ex creates a more open communication with your kids (42:37)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into why Steve and Sebastian’s relationship didn’t work out and discuss how dating went for Jessica. A lot of listeners have been reaching out to the trio about why Steve and Sebastian are not together, and so they will go into a journal entry that Steve had written about what went wrong with the relationship.
Steve and Sebastian met while Steve was still married to Jessica and it was an intense on/off relationship all through, up until Steve and Jessica separated. They kept seeing each other more seriously after the separation, but somewhere along the way, they had to break things off because Steve had decided to get back with Jessica.
Of course, things didn’t work out the second time around with Steve and Jessica, so they got divorced. A couple of years later, way after Jessica and Matt were married, Steve and Sebastian gave things another try. Steve had never moved on from him for all those years, and never even gave anyone else a chance, and he says the reason it failed this time around was because he was a totally different person.
When they first met, he was a total disaster. He had just come out, and he really needed someone to hold his hand and guide him through gay life. Sebastian took up that role with pleasure and that formed the basis of their relationship, but this last time around when they gave things another try, Steve being in a better place made him see how unhealthy their relationship really was, so eventually it just couldn’t work.
It’s going to be a great story of just how relationships are never perfect, the huge role that compatibility plays in strengthening a relationship, and how important it is for anyone in a relationship to always feel free to be themselves in that relationship. Jessica’s crappy issues with dating during that same time will also make for a great story, so you’re definitely gonna love this episode. Enjoy, learn, and don’t forget to share.
Highlights of the Discussion:
- The new friends’ car keys fiasco and how awful it made Steve feel (01:48)
- The different experiences people have in the marriage Steve and Jessica had (08:10)
- The intense emotional situation that was their relationships (13:28)
- The dating hell they went through back then and how Steve is still currently in it (15:48)
- The codependency that Steve and Sebastian’s relationship was based on (17:31)
- The importance of feeling that we are good enough to be with someone (20:48)
- The stalker who was telling on Steve to Sebastian (21:53)
- The struggles Jessica had with finding a good LDS guy to date (27:37)
- A totally different relationship with a totally different person who likes different things (30:56)
- The guy who just couldn’t respect Jessica’s boundaries (33:52)
- The “Let me know if you break up with her” thing (41:34)
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- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will interview Melanie Parrish Anderson about her book, "Lessons Learned from the Starfish." Melanie, who also happens to be Matt's aunt, is an exceptional teacher. She began her teaching career 25 years ago in kindergarten and Title One Math. After seven years, she transferred to second grade where she really got the opportunity to really positively impact her students lives.
Melanie graduated from Idaho State University with a B.S. in Elementary Education and a B.A. in Early Childhood Education. She is the mother of two amazing children, the step-mom of two awesome sons, and the bonus-mom of five delightful people. She adores all 16 of her grandchildren, and is happily married. Her must read book for parents and educators is a memoir chronicling her twenty-three years teaching kindergarten and second grade at a state public school, and she shares 40 stories of empathy, loss, and triumph about children that she taught that changed her life.
Melanie will talk about how she grew to become an advocate for her students even when it was tough, and how she did that by learning what the hierarchy of needs for every child should look like. Matt, Steve, and Jessica will share how they really connected with the love and belonging aspect of those needs based on their own interactions with their kids. It’s going to be a funny and emotional episode that you won’t wanna miss.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The Miss Chubbuck pageant that no girl wanted to try out (02:23)
- The little school age boy who had never met a teacher nor held a pencil (04:52)
- Having a hard time getting parents to come to parent teacher conferences when families are split (13:13)
- Teachers that are successful are the ones that take the time to build relationships with the kids (17:00)
- The power of the love belonging stage in ensuring children’s overall well-being (22:48)
- Jessica’s insecurities and vulnerabilities when it comes to ensuring Matt’s kids feel loved (27:35)
- The ideal situation of divorced/separated parents showing up at the same time to their kid’s parent-teacher conference (35:25)
- When you put that other parent down, you're putting down half that child (43:37)
- A great way to build empathy in your children (52:19)
Additional Resources:
- Lessons Learned from the Starfish By Melanie Parrish Anderson
- www.MelanieParrishAnderson.com
- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about how Matt came into everybody's life. They recently attended a winter carnival in McCall with all their kids, and they will talk about how much fun they had there, Steve especially, who Jessica and Matt had not seen having that much fun in a long time. They will then take a trip down memory lane and talk about how they first met. It was when they found themselves in the same church ward and Matt was actually the one who noticed Steve and Jessica.
At a church service after that, he saw Jessica and Penny and thought she was a single mum, who he found cute, but then Steve joined them, and he was somewhat disappointed because he assumed they’re married. On another occasion, still in church, Steve approached Matt and introduced himself because Matt seemed like he needed a friend. Matt liked that Steve was friendly and from that point on they became good friends and would go mountain biking together. And it was on one of those mountain biking hookups that Jessica met Matt.
On another day when Matt rode his bike from his house to the apartment complex where Jessica lived to meet Steve, he found them both chatting with several of the residents there, and when Jessica saw Matt, she thought to herself, “This guy is super cute. I want to date him and honestly, I’m just gonna marry this guy.” Two weeks after that, she and Steve broke up for good, and she was still thinking about how she could marry Matt. That was the beginning of Matt and Jessica’s amazing journey to marriage. If there’s ever been an awesome episode to listen to, this is it, so don’t miss out.
Highlights of the discussion:
- How Matt stops a sneeze by touching his forehead (01:02)
- Steve having fun and being goofy at the parade (06:07)
- The necessary boundaries for the sake of respect for Matt (08:24)
- The first time Matt saw Steve and Jessica (11:29)
- Choose your words carefully when describing how you met your wife (13:25)
- How Jessica thought she would marry Matt way before they even started dating (18:49)
- The role that respect and understanding played in Matt and Steve’s relationship (27:24)
- The facade of being perfect on the outside (31:10)
- Jessica gets the go-ahead to go after Matt (35:48)
- It's worth taking a risk being vulnerable and sharing what we're going through (42:13)
Additional Resources:
- www.PrideCounseling.com
- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
- http://www.melanieparrishanderson.com/
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start the show off by answering questions from their listeners, starting off with one that was sent to Steve about whether Matt contributes to the co-parenting of Penny between Steve and Jessica. They will dive into the fact that even though Steve and Jessica are primarily responsible for the parenting of Penny, Matt has a great parent-child relationship with Penny, and Penny knows to always respect Matt no matter the situation. The three have never really had a conversation about what Matt’s parental place should be because they’ve never seen the need for it.
They will then address a question from a man who is concerned about the parental role a man his ex-wife is dating is playing in his child’s life. This will form the basis for their discussion on how Matt never pushed a step-dad relationship on Penny and allowed her to ease into things. They will highlight the importance of divorced parents always making sure that their kids are not caught up in their issues with each other because of the emotional damage that that causes on the kids.
To answer a question regarding who takes Penny to church, Steve and Jessica will dive into how they ensure that Penny goes to church every Sunday even when her mum is not around and she’s with her dad. They will talk about how they have a shared calendar and how they plan everything around all of Penny’s activities. Penny even has access to the calendar so she can always know whose house she will be at at any one time, because she’s quite the planner and it makes things more convenient for her. If you’ve been having challenges with your own co-parenting situation, this is definitely going to be a super resourceful episode for you.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Matt’s contribution to the co-parenting of Penny (04:30)
- The issue that came up about stuffed animals and Matt’s sarcasm problem (07:38)
- The importance of not putting a child in the middle of the parents issues (15:27)
- Putting boundaries in place to make a good co-parenting relationship (18:34)
- How consistency and control really helps kids in a co-parenting situation (25:02)
- The need for a lot of good communication to make things work (28:16)
- The number one issue in co-parenting and how to deal with it (31:37)
- Trust your gut, pay attention to how you feel, be open, and get uncomfortable (40:07)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive back into Steve and Jessica’s journal entries from the period when they had patched things up to try and give dating another try. They were each going through a very tough time because things were not working out as they had expected. They go back to June 10, 2012, when Steve was journaling about his spiritual struggles. He believed that he had lost connection with God due to his inability to stop pursuing a gay lifestyle, and he used to act out all the time to make himself feel better even though some of the time it would only make him feel a lot of turmoil.
In the following journal entry, he talked about being at a porn addiction support group, and thinking about how he was tirelessly trying to overcome the temptations to go be with a man, and how hard it was because everywhere he turned he saw happy gay couples. Despite having Jessica and Penny by his side, he felt so alone. At around the same time, Jessica had a major breakdown when she realized that she was being harsh towards Steve because he was not sexually attracted to her anymore.
Despite those challenges, they were both being very loving and supportive of each other. They will continue on sharing their journal entries describing all that was happening back then, and talking about all the valuable lessons they learned from their experiences during that time. This is going to be a very insightful episode on a lot of life and relationship issues that affect a lot of us, so you won’t wanna miss it. Stay tuned!
Highlights of the discussion:
- The dark gold in Steve and Jessica’s journals (01:02)
- The detriment in believing that we must do certain things to the letter to receive and be worthy of God’s love (02:38)
- The pain in not giving ourselves credit for what we are doing (06:10)
- Steve’s longing for a healthy, authentic relationship (08:34)
- How miserable Steve was for Jessica to be with (12:52)
- The old bedroom in the old house (20:50)
- The actions and lifestyle that led Steve into depression (25:58)
- The challenge of determining when enough is enough (29:05)
- How Steve and Jessica were both waiting for each other to be done (34:46)
- To thy known self be true: Jessica’s rebellion tattoo (38:57)
- The day they finally ended things and how right it felt for both of them (44:45)
- The mistakes that were part of the journey and the positive impact they had (50:28)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will take a deeper dive back into the time when Steve and Jessica were getting back together to give things another try. They will each pull up their journals and read through their six months of dating post-divorce period. Jessica will start by sharing a journal entry about how her and Steve passed by some of their friends in Colorado as they were heading back to Boise together, and how ballsy that was because she had just a few months before then passed by the same friends as she was heading to her parents’ home right after her and Steve had broken up and she had left him in Oklahoma.
As they were dating, they were feeling very conflicted by the fact that even though they wanted to be together again, they just weren’t as attracted to each other as they were before. At that point, Jessica was really questioning whether she wanted to be with Steve or Jared (the guy she had just broken things off with). Steve, on the other hand, was also skeptical about whether they could go back to the way they used to be and whether he could really fulfill Jessica the way he felt she deserved.
Eventually, they both had a very sobering discussion about the possibility that they might have just been more suited as best friends at that point. They agreed that it was better if they gave each other what they could, and got whatever they couldn’t give each other from other people. Sometime after that, Steve’s dad intimated to him that he wouldn’t support or love him anymore if he continued pursuing the gay lifestyle, and it devastated Steve to a point where he started having suicidal thoughts. He decided to end things with Jessica after that, but they were still very supportive of each other as they co-parented Penny. Stay tuned for more of the interesting journal entries they will share on what went down after that.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve’s enlightenment from his journal entries about the dark, painful and shameful period right after their divorce (03:41)
- Jessica and Steve’s tendencies to journal more when things are not great (08:46)
- Feeling very lonely and longing to live a gay lifestyle (13:14)
- Their capacity as people/humans to love and Steve’s devastatingly serious issues with his dad (17:50)
- The tendency of journaling about bad things more than the good (21:45)
- The support Jessica got from the short-sale program to get back on her feet (26:45)
- The intuitive feelings people in a relationship have sometimes (33:44)
- Steve taking Penny mountain biking in a bike trailer without a helmet (40:01)
- Helping people feel that they’re not alone and to see that there’s joy on the other side (47:30)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will rewind to the point in time when they were all divorced but didn’t know each other yet. Matt’s divorce from Ann has just been finalized, and Steve and Jessica had also just gotten divorced, and they were all looking to get into the dating scene. Jessica was the first to start dating and was actually hooked up with a guy she used to work with when she was married to Steve. She went out with him twice, and then dated his roommate twice too before calling it quits with both of them.
She ended up dating several guys off and on from the beginning of when she got divorced until when her and Matt got married. Somewhere along the dating journey, she had gotten very frustrated by dating men who all seemed like they were not serious about committing to a long term relationship because they would disappear for weeks and then reappear with a request for a date.
She eventually got into a very serious relationship with someone, and at one point texted Steve to ask him if he wanted to get back together before she took things to the next level with the guy. Steve responded in the affirmative because he was not ready at all to let Jessica move on and wanted to give their marriage another try. Jessica had to, of course, break things off with the guy she was dating while Steve ended things with Sebastian. It’s quite an awe-inspiring story that will be an eye-opener about the realities of marriage and divorce today, so you won’t wanna miss it.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Getting lined up with somebody by the bishop who played love doctor (06:58)
- Jessica’s great intro back into dating and the birthday party that Steve remembers for its amazing cake (08:42)
- A ton of guys who wouldn’t make a serious move and getting into an intense relationship (11:32)
- Dinner for my boy and his boy: Jessica’s recipe for Steve and Sebastian (15:51)
- Actions are an easier way to move on than the actual feelings (22:51)
- Extreme emotions of fulfillment and happiness on one end and extreme depression and sadness on the other (25:20)
- Getting back together and having a fun time driving back to Boise (32:40)
- The struggles people have with knowing and loving themselves completely (42:49)
- What not to do when you’re trying to get back with your ex-wife (47:33)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk to Roxanne Kennedy Granata, author of the amazing book "Cutting Ties", where she shares her story of healing through the trials of sexual betrayal, fighting to save her marriage, divorce, and rebuilding her life. Not only does she share her personal story, but she also offers hope to all women so that they can heal no matter what happens to their marriage.
Many couples who work through recovery from sexual addiction, pornography addiction, and betrayal trauma end up staying together, but in Roxanne’s case, she had to contend with betrayal from her husband because he choose not to continue working on his recovery process, which ultimately led to their divorce.
She comes on to talk about her experiences of healing from her relationship with an addict, and share her remarkable life journey and insights on how to tackle marital issues in a way that does not negatively impact on oneself. She will also advise us all on a wide range of life issues that affect us all, so we can learn how to work on building better relationships with ourselves and others. This will be a great listen for parents of children, local leaders, and spouses, so stay tuned for more.
Highlights of the discussion:
- How Roxanne met Jessica and Steve (01:59)
- The TV getting stuck between channels and exposing the husband’s porn addiction (03:39)
- Going into the 12 step program and committing four years (07:00)
- The duration of time between starting the support meetings and getting divorced (15:34)
- What rehab looks like for a porn addict (16:27)
- One of the most damaging things about addiction (18:05)
- The person who’s stabbing you cannot be the one picking you up (20:54)
- Working on ourselves to heal from the pain and trauma (23:26)
- It’s less about perfection and more about doing the work and wanting to progress in life (28:13)
- Using her own book to help her remember what kind of boundaries to hold (34:00)
- The hope of healing and finding the light regardless of the unique situation one is in (36:33)
- The difference between setting a realistic expectation for our kids and sheltering them from the realities of life (37:58)
- The point at which Roxanne would recommend somebody takes the first step to go into the 12 step program (43:21)
- The need for men to love themselves and feel emotions so they connect with themselves (44:57)
Additional Resources:
- Cutting Ties By Roxanne Kennedy Granata
- Roxanne on Facebook and Instagram
- www.CuttingTies.com
- Roxanne’s Email Address - forthefaithofit@gmail.com
- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
- Husband in Law on Instagram
- Husband in Law on Facebook
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about the Christmas traditions that they’ve had that have changed over the years. Matt shares that he and Ann never really came up with some Christmas traditions because they were together only a few years. He talks about how they went to garden glow when they met during the Christmas holidays and explains why he ended up hating garden glow so passionately.
They will then dive into Steve and Penny’s December traditions, starting with Tuba Christmas where they go to a Tuba music event. They follow that up by going to see the real Santa at D.L. Evans Bank (which is a Downtown Boise City holiday tradition for Boise families) who has legitimate reindeer and an actual sleigh. They also do the free carriage rides at Washington Trust Bank and they used to go decorate the Christmas trees at the Zions Bank Building which they don’t anymore.
Jessica will share her own personal tradition of buying herself gifts, which she borrowed from her dad, and then share the awesome Christmas traditions that she and her family have and the traditions that she and Matt have. It’s going to be a joyful Christmas themed episode that will definitely have you coming up with your own traditions because it’s such fun. Enjoy!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Penny being to garden glow every year of her life (03:58)
- The place where the real Santa resides according to Steve (06:40)
- The importance of making an effort to create fun traditions especially for the kids (10:48)
- Penny’s face at the top of the Christmas tree (13:04)
- The ginormous lit up reindeer on a 45-foot boat in Belize (19:06)
- The world’s largest love sac/bean bag that Jessica made for Steve and Penny (24:35)
- Buying road bikes for each other and how Jessica used to left brake (26:44)
- The time when Steve got tire marks across his butt because he ran himself over (31:35)
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In this episode, Steve and Jessica will finish the story of their first Christmas after they separated and then dive into the cliffhanger question that has so far remained unanswered. Jessica and Matt will talk about what Thanksgiving was like, and describe how they celebrated Fake Christmas (Black Friday). They actually went all out and did the stockings, gingerbread houses, the whole nine yards.
Steve will also share how he spent his Thanksgiving in San Diego visiting some museums and going to the beach. Back to 2011 when Steve and Jessica got divorced, it was the holidays and they had traveled to Idaho Falls to visit Steve’s family, and Jessica actually spent a whole week with them up to the 28th.
They both had very deep conversations during that time about how they wanted Penny to be raised, what their opinions were, and how they hoped that everything would look like down the road. Jessica was very concerned about whether Steve would be supportive of Penny being raised in the church, but it was not much of an issue because Steve had absolute faith in Jessica as a parent, and he knew deep down that she would never turn Penny against him in any way. His core concern was that they find a way to have a good relationship and ensure that Penny had both her parents in her life. Stay tuned for more of the really amazing story. Enjoy!
Highlights of the discussion:
- People trying to pray for someone to be straight (04:17)
- The 6-week boldology challenge for the new year (08:01)
- Having fun and bumping into cousins at the HustleCon (10:52)
- Steve spending Thanksgiving in San Diego and having some much needed TLC (11:34)
- Taking family pictures right after the divorce was official (14:56)
- Teaching Penny to love without judging and to understand other people's situation (18:51)
- Declaring mutual trust, support, and understanding for each other (22:03)
- Steve opening up to Jessica about his feelings growing up as a kid, his experiences with his family, especially his dad (24:47)
- Jessica’s first New Year’s eve being single for two days (31:36)
- Feeling like Joey from Friends and the issue of not being able to spend time with the kids all the time (35:50)
- The beauty of properly done mutually coordinated part-time parenting (38:33)
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- www.Linktr.ee/TheBoldLogic
- Husband in Law on Instagram
- Husband in Law on Facebook
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In this episode, Steve and Jessica will share what life was like for each of them during their separation. They will reminisce about how they spent their Thanksgiving that year, and talk about their cooking skills, or lack thereof for Steve. When they separated Jessica was in Boise living in their old house and working with a lawyer on their divorce papers, while Steve was in Oklahoma.
Even though it was emotionally challenging for them to spend time together, Steve would always make sure he came up every third weekend or so to see Penny and spend some quality time with her. Jessica was out of work and Steve was very supportive of her through it all. She was getting plenty of job offers but didn’t feel emotionally ready to go out to work, so she had to cut back on a lot of her and Penny’s expenses to manage with what she was getting.
The separation was an opportune time for Steve to start dressing like a gay man, and he was loving it. He will talk about all the false perceptions of masculinity that he used to have when they were married and share what he was going through when he started becoming suicidal from feeling overwhelmed by everything that was happening. Jessica was there for him through it all and will talk about how she helped him move forward from that. You’ll wanna stay tuned to hear more about how they coped all through that period to build the amazing relationship they have now.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Two years worth of mending clothes for everybody (02:15)
- The Bolivian hot dog trick for Thanksgiving dinner (11:12)
- Getting Netflix for Christmas to stay sane (16:34)
- Steve’s internal belief about stylish dressing being associated with being gay (20:04)
- The suicidal thoughts and Jessica’s fun time living in their old house (24:13)
- Portraying a great picture of Steve to friends and the negativity of husband bashing (30:33)
- The first time Steve got drunk, went to a club, met Sebastian’s friends, and told him he loved him (35:57)
- The importance of teaching kids how to respect and appreciate other people’s decisions and diverse opinions (41:11)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will welcome two very special guests, Ashlan and Wallace Nelson. They'll be talking about their experiences blending families, co-parenting, and making it all work.
Ashlan and Wallace have been married a little over two years now, and their marriage was the second one for each of them. They blended two families when they got together with Wallace bringing in his five kids and Ashlan her three kids.
Their story is quite unique in that they knew each other as family friends way before either of them got divorced, and Ashlan was actually very supportive of Wallace when he got divorced because she had gotten divorced some years before and knew what the whole experience was like.
They'll talk about what it was like when they went through their divorces, how they got together and became the best of friends, and how things got so serious that they had to admit to themselves that it had gone way beyond friendship.
We'll get to hear how things have gone since getting married and they'll share how their eight kids blended so well, what co-parenting them is like, and so much more.
So listen in to gain from all their great insights.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Handling the coached petitions from the kids (02:29)
- Overcoming the fear of going further in a relationship and regaining self-worth (05:18)
- The ease of being in the thick of getting married and combining two families (10:42)
- Taking personal responsibility for the sake of the kids’ welfare (13:16)
- How kids understand when a parent is in the wrong by badmouthing their fellow parent (17:45)
- The give and take of every good relationship (21:18)
- How Wallace and Ashlan support and discipline the kids (28:21)
- Parenting and co-parenting our gay son and relating with him (30:32)
- The beauty of being gracious, accepting and loving of others no matter who or what they are (32:12)
- Allowing the kids the freedom to be who they are and to pursue whatever happiness is for them (35:28)
- Doing the best to live a good, meaningful and productive life and letting the kids see that (41:19)
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In this episode, in the spirit of Thanksgiving, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about gratitude and how it plays into our individual lives and things that we're grateful for, as well as how it plays into relationships. They will start off by each sharing what they’re most grateful for and Steve will talk about being grateful for him and Penny being alive after the slight accident they had on the road when they hit a deer.
Matt will talk about being grateful for family, the relationships that he has with his family members. and the support that they have always given him. Jessica will share that she is grateful for her body, being healthy, and being able to take care of her family. What are you grateful for? Enjoy the show!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Figuring out tough things in a way that works as a roadmap for everyone (02:26)
- Living with a dent for being alive: Steve and Penny’s close call on the road (11:29)
- The privilege of driving a big 26 foot truck all the way out to Idaho (17:14)
- How gratitude increases the relationship tie between us and those who positively impact our lives (21:34)
- The best way to accept a compliment or a comment of gratitude with grace (26:33)
- Finding the gratitude in our lives and acknowledging the people that we’re grateful for (31:34)
- Steve and Jessica’s hilarious hamburger story (35:38)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about Jessica’s book and journal, and specifically the journal. It’s called the Boldology Journal and it’s aimed at helping people determine where they have issues in their lives so they can work towards being happier and more fulfilled.
They will talk about the part of the previous episode where Steve’s sister was present that they didn’t air because she didn’t feel comfortable about it being aired. Even though that episode would have helped a lot of people, Steve’s sister was worried that it would cause issues in Steve’s family because there was a lot of deeply personal stuff that they discussed in there.
Jessica will dive into the episode they recorded after the episode Steve’s sister didn’t want to be aired, and she shares some of the harder topics they dived into about Jessica and Matt’s relationship, and how they cope with co-parenting, making the associated relationships work, and so much more.
She will then advise us in deep detail on how to deal with our struggles by journaling what we are really going through and looking at things in a different way so we can figure out what to change for the better. If you really want to make your life and relationships better, don’t miss this episode.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Understanding your self worth so you can show up better in your relationships and in life (03:28)
- Steve divorcing Jessica and lining her up with his straight best friend (05:42)
- The imperfect family dynamics that exist in every family (11:59)
- The advantage of getting different perspective and views from Matt and Steve (24:30)
- Smiling through the hard things and being real about it (28:38)
- Jessica’s false beliefs that she is letting Matt and Steve down (30:14)
- How having an attitude of gratitude can change our lives (36:59)
- Responding in a more positive and healthy way to the actions of others (41:30)
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In this episode, Matt will talk about what life was like after his divorce from his ex-wife was finalized. He had just found out that she was three months pregnant for the man that she had cheated with, and life was a little too hectic for him to even date again.
He will dive into some of the terms of their divorce decree, most of which were more favorable to him, and how he used his time after the divorce to write business plans for some of the great business ideas he had. Eventually, he started dating again and you’re going to love the stories from that, and so many other of his post-divorce experiences, so stay tuned.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Not ready to date after the divorce was final and meeting Ann’s new man (02:03)
- Advice for somebody going through divorce (04:06)
- Going on LDS Singles, dating several girls and getting a ton of lippage (21:31)
- Dating people with baggage and exercising caution (25:20)
- 27 with two kids and living with his parents (27:42)
- Pawning off his ring and not wanting to ever get married again (30:39)
- Enjoying the benefits of being single before Steve and Jessica came into the picture (34:37)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into Matt’s backstory and where he’s at with his relationships. They’ll start off by reading a few great reviews from some of their rabid listeners and then get into the nine months that Matt was separated from his ex-wife before they eventually got divorced.
Matt will get vulnerable and share what he went through when he found out that she was unfaithful, how people around him speaking out about it after the fact helped him get closure, and what it was like for their kids. It was a whole roller-coaster experience and will make for a great story. Enjoy!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Jessica’s challenge with being witty and funny (03:18)
- Matt having a heart to heart with his son about the divorce and the issue of attending church (08:36)
- The unfaithfulness and getting more closure from third parties (14:31)
- The uncomfortable experience of filing for bankruptcy (19:32)
- Minimizing the negative effects that separation and divorce has on kids (24:52)
- Choosing to play nice through the divorce (36:24)
- Finding out she was three months pregnant after the divorce had been finalized (39:24)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve and Jessica will bring Steve’s sister Suzi onto the show to share her perspective during the time Steve was coming out and during Jessica and Steve's divorce. Steve and Suzi start off by sharing their fondest memories of each other when they were growing up.
They will then dive into Suzi’s side of things about Steve and Jessica’s marriage and how it progressed up until when Steve told her that the marriage wasn’t in a good place. It’s gonna be a super fun story. Enjoy!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Ohana: Watching lots of Lilo & Stitch (02:30)
- Helping those who are rethinking their lives have an okay experience (05:45)
- Tiny person with a tiny belly and a giant person with a huge belly (17:41)
- Showing respect and trust to those who come out to us (23:22)
- Giving people time to process before they respond (25:17)
- Knowing other gay Mormons with wives and finding out about the split (28:12)
- Getting the family together in support of Steve (35:24)
- Sharing earlier to create more connection and understanding (38:36)
- Going to family Christmas together even after the divorce (44:33)
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In this episode, Matt and Jessica go along with Steve in a self-exploration process to understand a little bit more about the time he just came out of the closet with his family and why he felt so incapable of receiving support from his loved ones?
For Steve, coming out of the closet in front of his parent and his church was one of the most difficult experiences ever and so, in the anticipation of him been rejected by pretty much everyone he knew, started to isolate from his loved ones despite the various demonstrations of support from Matt, Jessica and other family members.
Tune in for this truly emotional ride where we discuss disconnection, fear and anxiety and learning how to cope with self-criticism during hard times.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Taking your mind to the worst-case scenario to get along with the hard times (03:15)
- Steve blocks the support coming from his loved ones out of fear of losing them (06:10)
- Jessica tries to make Steve see how his family supported him (12:43)
- The first time Steve came out to his family as a gay man who was staying in the church (15:16)
- Steve breaks down in front of his regional manager (19:00)
- How to respond when someone comes out to you (37:22)
- The surprising reaction of Steve’s grandmother’s to him coming out (43:17)
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In this episode, Steve and Jessica will open up about what happened when Jessica and Penny went to Steve’s parents’ house where everyone, including Steve’s siblings, was waiting to stage an intervention to find out how they could support Steve.
Steve was not okay and could not see his self worth, and Jessica knew he needed to be loved by his family members, so she made sure they knew everything that they needed to know and do. Listen in as they share the heartwarming events of that period in time when family and friends were reacting to the news that Steve was gay.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Matt staying overnight at Steve’s parents’ house (01:48)
- Helping Steve feel loved and know that he is still of worth (06:50)
- Having the strength to do it single-handedly (13:30)
- Steve and Sebastian doing matching costumes on Halloween (17:49)
- Struggling with the idea of leaving Penny to work (21:48)
- The Steve-related altercation between Jessica and her brother (28:38)
- Facing the music with Jessica’s parents and explaining everything (34:26)
- Getting grabbed in a bathroom and someone picking up on Steve’s gay vibe (39:12)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start off by sharing some of the numerous awesome reviews they’ve received on iTunes and Steve will share his deep concerns about the issue of gay people who are afraid to come out choosing to commit suicide.
Steve and Jessica will then talk about the period when they officially split and Jessica moved away from Oklahoma with Penny.
Before the move, the two of them, Penny included, had had dinner with Sebastian... the guy Steve had cheated with.
You won’t wanna miss this one.
It’s going to be a really interesting story.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Leaving the pinky nail long when cutting the nails: A South American culture (01:57)
- Responding with love and affection to those who come out to us (07:13)
- Trying to figure out Penny’s lifestyle after the separation (16:41)
- The weirdness of Jessica talking to Sebastian while Steve is right there (20:13)
- Moving forward with the divorce into new relationships and new husbands (24:19)
- Jessica and Penny’s long journey from Oklahoma to Boise (28:32)
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In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the point at which their marriage finally ended and the events that led to that. It all started when they moved to Oklahoma and living in a hotel before they could move into their new house, and Steve cheated with a guy he met.
He expected to be repulsed by the whole experience, but he ended up embracing it, and he had to tell Jessica about it so she could help him move forward with their marriage. Eventually, Steve couldn’t stop contacting the guy which led to their marriage falling apart. It’s gonna be an interesting story. Enjoy!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Being in suitcases and sitting on the stairs and the little refrigerator ledge (04:14)
- The devastation of finding out Steve had an affair (06:45)
- The inexperienced support group in Oklahoma (11:25)
- Staying married to a gay guy for 5 to 6 years (20:48)
- Why Jessica never really got angry at Steve (27:04)
- Giving a short version of 7 years of marriage (33:54)
- Supporting each other and moving forward towards happiness (38:36)
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In this episode, Matt, Steve, Jessica will pick up where they left off on the previous episode, talking about how Steve and Jessica progressed in Colorado Springs.
They’ll dive into Jessica’s creativity side hustle while Steve was away at work and what it was like for him to slowly come out as gay to people - including the “Same-Gender Attraction Group”.
Then comes Toby...
...The Volkswagen bus they used to have, and how it made Steve feel more masculine.
Tune in to find out why Steve named the bus Toby and learn so much more about their life in Colorado. You’re totally gonna love this one.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Jessica’s artistic/creative talent in sewing (02:27)
- Penny’s homemade/handmade Halloween costumes (05:58)
- Being guided by the workbook from the support group for gay Mormons (11:55)
- Trying/discovering new things and coming out to supportive friends (21:56)
- Building trust and the issue of work trips (31:53)
- Making the most of where we are at (36:39)
- Steve embracing that he was a gay man who needed a gay lifestyle (40:14)
- Bonding with Penny and learning to be parents (45:07)
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In this episode, Steve will share his experience with wanting to get the love and support of his loved ones when he came out, and how that applies to relationships in general. Matt and Jessica will share their thoughts on that and dive into how it affects people.
They will also talk about their long and short term goals, and how important it is for someone to sit down and write out their goals so they can hold themselves accountable to accomplishing them. Tune in to learn how you can set your goals for overall success in life.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The unconditional love and support we all need from loved ones (01:01)
- It only takes something small and simple to show a little bit of love (07:25)
- Goals, goals, goals for Steve and Jessica (15:02)
- Be who you're going to be all the time (23:31)
- Aligning ourselves with people who can help us accomplish our goals (29:30)
- Matt’s personal goals: Self-care before success (34:47)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about relationships and how difficult they can be to build. Jessica and Steve will share the ups and downs they went through in developing their relationship when they were married, up to the point they’re at now.
It’s going to be a super interesting story of the good and bad times they had all through their marriage, and how they relate with each other now. Enjoy!
Highlights of the discussion:
- Why we should avoid anger in relationships (01:23)
- The time Jessica threw her phone at Steve (05:02)
- The impact that Belize and church service had on their relationship (10:08)
- Our relationships are better when we love and accept ourselves for who we are (12:44)
- Relationships are hard, they take trial and error (18:11)
- When is the right time to apologize? (26:00)
- Matt being okay with Jessica and Steve’s relationship (32:40)
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In this episode, Jessica and Steve will talk about their move from Belize to Colorado Springs, how they adjusted themselves to the new environment, and the ups and downs they went through.
They also dive extensively into Steve’s past struggles with pornography and being gay, while sharing how he overcame all that. Tune in and enjoy.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve’s new job after moving from Belize to Colorado (01:04)
- Pornography did not make Steve gay (07:50)
- Support groups for Steve’s benefit (18:49)
- Gay, Mormon, and married (27:32)
- Sharing our stories gives others permission to share theirs (31:17)
- Being good at expressing ourselves to others (37:35)
- Don’t struggle alone when there are people who (40:51)
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In this episode, Jessica and Steve will share the story of how their daughter Penny was born. Penny’s arrival was a week late and it had been announced that the destructive hurricane Ida was headed their way.
Listen in as they dive into how hectic the duration of the pregnancy was, the highly stressful situation that surrounded Penny’s birth in Belize, and how scary and emotional it was for Steve.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The hustle of giving birth in Belize (01:03)
- Full day doctor’s appointments (03:30)
- Finding out the baby’s gender at a mall (09:47)
- Heading into a hurricane and the water breaks (18:28)
- Steve passing out during a blood draw (26:23)
- The stress of bringing a child into the world while carrying a huge burden (30:10)
- Penny’s first meal out of a cup (33:49)
- The Moses basket and the gringo-oriented baby care suggestions (38:24)
- Moving back to the US (43:49)
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In this episode, Matt discusses how the separation left him tired and exhausted, which happens to just about tally with how Jessica felt upon her split with Steve. Was the situation negatively affecting Matt so much that he was becoming a broken version of himself?
Fortunately for him and his kids, his parents and his extended family rose up to the occasion to pick the pieces up. This episode definitely drives home the importance of families - it even shines the light on extended family members - the more the merrier!
Highlights of the discussion:
• The breaking news of the other guy causing a freak-out, with wife having had Ambien (4:27)
• The very thought of the two kids calling for rationality in all of the mayhem (7:55)
• Promptness in approaching mom for help (8:50)
• Parents’ house coming in as a safe refuge (11:50)
• An adoring aunt stepping in as a pillar of support (28:47)
• Being proud of the big extended family for making it work (37:39)
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In this episode, Matt shares the rest of his story and dives into his open-mindedness about Steve and Jessica’s relationship. With Jessica and Steve’s contributions, they talk about how important that is and the impact it has had on each of them.
Matt talks about his marriage to his ex-wife and what it was like, and all the ups and downs he went through in that marriage. This is gonna be a great listen, you won’t wanna miss it.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Was Steve being judgemental of Matt? (00:55)
- The way to treat people (04:14)
- Figuring out how to make babies (10:24)
- Who needs a couch when you’ve got a bounce house (19:01)
- The calling to become young men’s president in Spanish branch (27:39)
- One of the scummiest industries there can ever be (37:34)
- The disc golf conundrum (47:36)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will share part two of their conversation with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will dive into everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics, while Natalie will talk about how she is making all types of relationships work in her life.
Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintaining the utmost respect for each other. This episode will be very beneficial to you no matter what relationship situation you are in, so stay tuned.
Highlights of the discussion:
- How and when Matt and Jessica met (01:20)
- Navigating the legit gay community in Boise (06:19)
- Dating is hard no matter who you are (09:28)
- Natalie’s ideal guy and her current dating life (15:35)
- Continuing forward by being genuine and real (22:52)
- Going through a vulnerability hangover (29:52)
- Dealing with negative feedback (34:17)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica and Steve will share the conversation they had with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will talk about everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics.
Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintaining the utmost respect for each other. This episode will be very beneficial to you no matter what relationship situation you are in, so listen in.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The coolest co-parenting relationship (00:52)
- Doing the things that make you happier (05:17)
- Navigating through divorce (13:29)
- Jessica not wavering on their Mormon standards (18:58)
- Dealing with infidelity and learning to forgive (21:23)
- Coming to terms with things you can’t control (32:56)
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In this episode, Matt will talk about his first marriage and life after his mission to Guatemala. He will talk about his college experiences and dive into how he met an eight months pregnant woman, started dating her, stood by her even during her delivery, and ended up marrying her. It’s a super interesting story. Enjoy it.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Focusing on Matt (02:37)
- Deciding not to complete college (06:06)
- Text messaging during church (09:03)
- The baby daddy issue (14:11)
- Changing the newborn’s first diaper (23:42)
- The negative paternity test (27:33)
- Moving back in with his parents to save money (30:02)
- Making a huge purchase with all the facts (34:14)
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In this episode, Jessica and Steve will talk about the cool experience they had when they moved to Belize after Steve was offered a job as an operations manager in a beachfront resort in San Pedro.
They didn’t love their jobs that much at the time, and they had been trying to get a baby with no success, so when the resort job came up, they just decided to pack up and leave for Belize. They will talk about the good, the bad, and the outright amazing moments they had living and working in Belize.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Getting the dream job offer on the first day of a new job (03:26)
- Life on the resort and amazing still beach (05:58)
- Working illegally and almost going to jail (09:38)
- Put in your adoption papers and you’ll get pregnant (14:07)
- Having an ultrasound at a mall (24:00)
- Forming a strong bond by serving others through the church (30:48)
- Coming to terms with being gay (38:27)
- The Mormon temple recommend (40:43)
- Staying committed to each other despite the challenges (47:30)
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In this episode, Jessica, and Steve will talk about their first year of marriage, having a blast in college and actually completing college debt free because they were doing so well for themselves. Jessica will then share the story of how she came upon Steve’s gay porn on the computer while he was away at work.
Back then, Steve hadn’t yet come to terms with the fact that he was gay, and he was devastated by Jessica’s discovery. They will share all that transpired after that and it’s going to be an interesting story, so don’t miss it.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Going back to the timeline (01:47)
- Steve’s attentiveness in their first year of marriage (04:00)
- Jessica’s boredom and Steve’s work exhaustion (09:12)
- Feeling unworthy of priesthood (12:46)
- Justifying and rationalizing his interest in gay porn (17:31)
- Women blame themselves when their men are addicted to porn (21:23)
- The breaking point conversation (26:26)
- The miserable summers (32:15)
- Packing up and moving to Belize (37:31)
- Pornography and it’s serious effects on relationships (41:29)
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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about the Boise Gay Pride Festival and what their experiences were. Steve will dive into being deeply involved in organizing the different pride festivals that have been held in the past and all the challenges they go through.
The three of them, with Steve’s guidance, will then demystify the societal misconceptions about so much relating to the LGBTQ Plus community, and talk about how amazing gay pride events really are.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The huge undertaking that is putting on a pride festival in Boise (01:44)
- The involvement of local businesses in the Boise Pride Fest (03:03)
- The importance of funding for gay pride organizations (08:07)
- Steve’s first pride experience (10:13)
- Pride is more than just a big party (11:47)
- Create a safe place for the LGBTQ Plus community (17:35)
- Matt’s interactions with people at his first Boise Pride event (21:33)
- Reclaiming the queer word (24:51)
- The controversial straight pride hashtag (29:52)
- Hugged by a mormon at Boise Pride (36:05)
- The straight allies (41:01)
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- Boise Pride Fest
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In this episode, Stephanie May (we mentioned her in the last episode. Remember?) comes on to talk about how she introduced Steve and Jessica to each other. Steph will ask Steve and Jessica a range of questions just to get a better understanding of what really happened that led to their eventual divorce.
It’s gonna be a hilarious one. You won’t wanna miss it.
Highlights of the discussion:
- The third wheel on the first date (01:03)
- The cupcake fight (03:48)
- Jessica’s dates with other people post dating and post divorce (05:58)
- Steve’s feeling of liberation (08:31)
- Even man’s dream wife (10:16)
- A high bar in terms of couple goals (14:52)
- The widespread view of divorce as a failure (19:03)
- The horrible place of feeling small (24:47)
- Building a fortress around the relationship (28:06)
- There’s always room for more love (31:44)
- The story behind the title, “Husband in Law” Podcast (33:20)
- Matt’s accommodation of Steve and Jessica’s relationship (40:43)
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So, how did Steve and Jessica even meet in the first place?!
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will dive into how they met and how their relationship developed - ultimately leading to their marriage. Through deliberate effort by Steve (he was admittedly intrigued by Jessica), they met back in college and the story of how they got to the point where they got married and honeymooned in Victor, Idaho, is both funny and amazing, so you won’t wanna miss it.
Curious about the cat shoes?! You'll need to listen in! 😂
Highlights of the discussion:
- Steve creeping on Jessica (01:44)
- How Jessica met Steve (03:58)
- Jessica’s big funky closet and their first date (06:47)
- It wasn’t exactly love at first sight (08:50)
- The games people play in potential relationships (14:52)
- The influence of what other people said (19:37)
- Steve’s past struggle with pornography (25:31)
- The typical Mormon wedding backwards (35:38)
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In this episode, Steve, Jessica and Matt will introduce themselves and each of them will give their back history. They will talk about their childhoods, the things that really impacted them in a big way as they were growing up, and what makes them tick.
They’re going to share their great co-parenting experiences and how they relate cordially amongst themselves.
Highlights of the discussion:
- All about Jessica (01:19)
- Biggest lifelong impact growing up (04:36)
- Steve and his experiences growing up (07:45)
- Yearning to be a dad (11:39)
- Advice to the past version of Steve (14:05)
- Advancing in the Mormon church priesthood progression (14:53)
- How Jessica and Steve met (20:25)
- Matt’s very vivid memories of growing up (25:23)
- From employee to business owner: Matt’s entrepreneurial journey (34:05)
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This was the time of the most turmoil and stress in Jessica and Steve's marriage. It was the breaking point. Steve had an affair with a man in hopes that it would shut down the gay side of himself, but the reality was quite the opposite.
As with everything in their relationship, they put everything out on the table and discussed how they could move on from this. The problem was, neither of them knew how it was possible and they walked around for weeks like emotional zombies.
This all came to a head and they knew something must be done on one of the days they were moving into their new home and Penny, their kid, wondered out the front door and was lost for a short time.
Highlights of the discussion:
- Moving From Colorado To Oklahoma (01:15)
- The Difficult Conversation Getting Easy (04:30)
- The Gym Membership That Caused Big Issues (09:45)
- Feeling Like Something Is About To Happen (16:00)
- Everything Is Finally Disclosed (27:15)
- Do We Move In Together Or Not? (33:45)
- Losing Our Kid Out The Front Door (38:30)
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