Art In All Its Forms

NOTE: This episode was recorded in late 2021.

On this episode of the Art In All Its Forms podcast, Suraj speaks with Nate Sloan, a professor of musicology at USC and podcast host. They discuss how Nate decided to study musicology, his academic and research interests, what he admires about Taylor Swift and her artistry, and why he decided to co-host a podcast about popular music.

I learned so much by taking Nate’s jazz history class at USC in 2019. He was a fantastic professor, and it’s a privilege to have him on the podcast!

Show Notes:

Nate Sloan’s Bio
Nate’s podcast with Charlie Harding, Switched on Pop
Nate and Charlie’s book “Switched on Pop: How Popular Music Works, and Why It Matters”
Nate’s article in The New York Times about the resurgence of funk music in recent years
Segregating Sound by Karl Hagstrom Miller

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Thanks for tuning into the fifth episode of “25 Bad Songs,” an Art In All Its Forms podcast series where I write 25 songs — one song a week — and show you how I did it.

Today’s song, “How It Started (Virginia Woolf),” tells a story of a relationship beginning and how two people can build the foundation for a connection that lasts.

Lyrics so far:

Verse 1
She read Virginia Woolf
Sitting on a chair in the back of the courtyard
Like it was a room of her own
A room of her own
And that was all it took
For me to knock on her imaginary door
Too soon to know
How far it would go

Pre-chorus
Well it starts with something in common
A book or a movie, a poem
Then you’re out to dinner and you’re talkin’
Holdin’ your hands while you’re walkin’

And you can’t wait to tell all of your friends
Holy st this is happening
Time seems to be moving faster
Let’s take a minute, flash forward
Chorus**
Twenty years later you’re thinking about
How it started (x3)
Sitting there together and thinking about
How it started (x3)

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NOTE: If you’d like to skip my commentary and go straight to the song, go to 13:13. However, I do suggest listening to the whole episode!

NOTE 2: Other than the title, this song has nothing to do with the new film, “Last Night In Soho.”

Thanks for tuning into the fifth episode of “25 Bad Songs,” an Art In All Its Forms podcast series where I (Suraj) write 25 songs — one song a week — and show you how I did it!

Today’s song, “Last Night In Soho,” tells a story of a breakup that happens in a very famous place and how rejection can be difficult to deal with.

Full Lyrics:

Verse 1
I’ll dress up nice if you say so
Cause it’s our last night in Soho
Living with zero regrets
Trade in the t-shirt and sweats
One look in the mirror before I go

Pre-chorus-ish
Step up onto the street
And our eyes meet
Can you believe this heat
I keep on talking nervously
Walking down West Broadway
That’s when you say “shut up let’s get a drink”
We go into the place right away

Build up
Since that summer I met you
I still look at you the same way
You drink so slowly and put the glass down
To tell me everything’s changed

Chorus
Please don’t say anymore
I can’t handle the fall
Please don’t say anymore
I need help from the alcohol

Verse 2
I dressed up nice cause you said so
And it’s our last night in Soho
But now I can see what you meant
Our relationship currency spent
You wanted to talk before you go

Pre-chorus-ish
You’re so complicated
I don’t get it I’m too faded
To make any sense of this
Don’t leave me though

Build up
Since that summer I met you
I still look at you the same way
You drink so slowly and put the glass down
To tell me everything’s changed

Chorus
Please don’t say anymore
Guess I better walk out the door
Please don’t say anymore
It was good while it lasted though

Build up
Since that summer I met you
I still look at you the same way
You drink so slowly and put the glass down
To tell me everything’s changed

Chorus
Please don’t say anymore
Your voice will leave me on the floor
Please don’t say anymore
I’m too immature
I’ll just take the train back home

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NOTE: If you’d like to skip my commentary and go straight to the song, go to 12:28. However, I do suggest listening to the whole episode!

Thanks for waiting an extra WEEK for the fourth episode of “25 Bad Songs,” an Art In All Its Forms podcast series where I (Suraj) write 25 songs — one song a week — and show you how I did it!

Today’s song, “When The Trees Smiled Back,” tells a story about nature, climate change, and the things we take for granted that could be lost forever.

Full Lyrics:

Verse 1
We used to listen to The Beatles on road trips
Early morning drives through the forest
Singing la di dah dah day, la di dah dah day

Open up the windows you could smell it
Redwood trees and the foliage
Singing la di dah dah day, la di dah dah day

Pre-chorus 1
Painfully unaware when we were younger
Playing in the park as the fire got hotter
Smiling at the trees in the scorching summer
But now I wish for the days

Chorus 1
Back when the trees smiled back at us
Get on your knees and pray for us
That they’ll smile another day, smile another day
Back when the trees smiled back at us
You better hope there’s hope for us
That the smoke will clear away, they’ll smile another day

Verse 2
We used to listen to lay on the ground, feel the grass grow
Look at the sky and the stars above
Singing la di dah dah day, la di dah dah day

Open up your eyes, you can see it
The things we take for granted gonna slip through our fingertips
Imagine it, even if its too hard to admit

Pre-chorus 2
Painfully unaware when we were younger
We’re too lazy to let the world live longer
Smiling at the trees in the scorching summer
Wishing for better days

Chorus 2
Back when the trees smiled back at us
Get on your knees and pray for us
That they’ll smile another day, smile another day
Back when the trees smiled back at us
You better hope there’s hope for us
That the smoke will clear away, they’ll smile another day

Bridge
The world’s gonna come crashing down around us and we can’t be bothered (x4)
(La di dah dah day) (x3)

Outro
La di dah dah day

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NOTE: If you’d like to skip my commentary and go straight to the song, go to 8:08. However, I do suggest listening to the whole episode!

Thanks for waiting an extra day for the third episode of “25 Bad Songs,” an Art In All Its Forms podcast series where I (Suraj) write 25 songs — one song a week — and show you how I did it!

Today’s song, “I’ll Do It Anyway,” tells a very broad story about power and the desire to keep it, even if it was required through illegitimate means. It is very loosely based on a conversation I had with my sister, as well as the Showtime TV show “Billions,” starring Damien Lewis and Paul Giamatti.

Full Lyrics:

Verse 1
You can say I’m a devil
You can say I’m a fool
But I’m on a higher level
Where I make my own rules

I know you’re out to get me
Pull out the pistols at dawn
Don’t bother tryna hurt me
When you say that I’m wrong

Chorus
I’ll do it anyway (x4)

Verse 2
Can you believe these people
When they see what I built they wanna tear it all down
No respect, only wanna catch me
I’m moving too fast, they want me to slow down
Take a breath, make a threat, look me in the eyes when you say, “It’s going down”
Oh, it’s going down

I know I’m not so perfect
I’ve played the game for too long
But it’s all been worth it
Even I’m doing wrong

Chorus
I’ll do it anyway (x4)

Solo

Chorus
I’ll do it anyway (x4)

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Thanks for tuning in to the second episode of “25 Bad Songs,” an Art In All Its Forms podcast series where I (Suraj) write 25 songs — one song a week — and show you how I did it!

Today’s song, “Always In My Head,” tells the story of a troubled father-son relationship. It is very loosely based on Franz Kafka’s letter to his father, which he wrote in November of 1919.

Full Lyrics:

Verse 1
Hey dad, I know it’s been a minute
I called to tell you one thing
That the apple falls far from the tree
People see you and they don’t recognize me

I used to try to be what you wanted
It didn’t work out, you were always disappointed
I was tired of it all, I was done
Walked right out and then I wasn’t your son

Pre-chorus 1
But even if I move to somewhere far away from you
I still feel sick it
It doesn’t matter what I try
There’s no escaping it
I don’t want to admit that I’d be lost without you

Chorus
Oh Oh Ohh
I wanna be my own man
But I can’t forget all of the s**t you said
You’re always in my head

Oh Oh Ohh
I can’t understand
Why I can’t forget all of the s**t you said
You’re always in my head

Verse 2
Hey Dad, I know you didn’t think
I’d call to tell you one thing
When you said that I was weak you were wrong
I was trying to be kind and I was so young

I used to be afraid of monsters under my bed
You threw me out into the cold that night
Thought I’d freeze to death
Be the master of your fate, you said

Pre-chorus 2
And even though I try to close my ears I’m always listening
I don’t want to admit that I’d be lost without you

Chorus (x2)
Oh Oh Ohh
I wanna be my own man
But I can’t forget all of the s**t you said
You’re always in my head

Oh Oh Ohh
I can’t understand
Why I can’t forget all of the s**t you said
You’re always in my head

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NOTE: If you’d like to skip my commentary and go straight to the song, go to 17:00. However, I do suggest listening to the whole episode!

Thanks for tuning in to the first episode of “25 Bad Songs,” an Art In All Its Forms podcast series where I (Suraj) write 25 songs — one song a week — and show you how I did it! As I said in my latest newsletter:

Each podcast episode will be a little different. Sometimes I’ll share my thoughts on the writing process or the inspiration and story behind certain songs. Sometimes I’ll carefully show you how voice memos and scribbled rough drafts turn into a piece of music sounding a little more complete.

Most importantly, I’m always gonna be 100% transparent with you: what I liked about the song, what I didn’t like, how I’m looking to improve, my musical insecurities — EVERYTHING. I hope it will give you a sense of what an artist goes through when they are working on something but aren’t sure of the final result.

Today’s song, “Long Distance,” tells the story of a long-distance relationship coming to its end. Disclaimer: this has NOTHING TO DO with my wonderful 3-year relationship with Maura, which is strong and well!

Full Lyrics:

Verse 1
I haven’t held your face in a while
Only text messages and digital smiles
Opposite coasts for years at a time
Falling asleep without you by my side
Pre-chorus
Watching you float away
There’s only so much pain I can take

Chorus
Tryna keep it going
Even though we’re tired of long distance, long distance
It’s so hard to know if
All of this is worth it, the long distance, long distance

Verse 2
Why do we keep this charade all the time
It’s not what it used to be, we’re not doing fine
Talking in circles, feeling in squares
You say that you love me but you’re not here

Pre-chorus
Watching us float away
Wish there was something that I could say

Chorus
Tryna keep it going
Even though we’re tired of long distance, long distance
It’s so hard to know if
All of this is worth it, the long distance, long distance

Bridge
Watching you float away
Remembering better days
Watching you float away
Wish there was something left here to say

Chorus
Tryna keep it going
Even though we’re tired of long… distance
It’s so hard to know if
All of this is worth it, the long distance, long distance

Outro
There’s only so much pain I can take

A few visuals

Here’s a look at my ridiculous scribbles on Post-its and in my Field Notes Memo Book… I can barely read these notes after a few days, so I try to get everything digitized at some point.

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Art In All Its Forms is back after a much longer than expected hiatus! I’ll be getting into the reason for that in an upcoming newsletter. For now, though, I hope you enjoy a new episode of the podcast. This is a special one.

Suraj speaks with Lauren Patrice Nadler, an acting coach and director based in Los Angeles. They talk about Lauren’s upbringing in Queens, NY, her first introductions into acting, how she got into teaching, her directing method, improvisation, the format of her acting class, her various acting clients, and more.

Here’s what I said about Lauren some years ago:

"Lauren is one of those acting coaches who finds a way to relate to every single one of her students. She tells them the things that will help them grow as actors and individuals in the most efficient and healthy way. I personally cannot thank her enough for taking the actor inside of me and helping him come alive."

Show Notes:

Lauren Patrice Nadler Studios Website

The LPNSImprov Show — “Makin’ a Movie”

Lauren’s Personal Website

Info on Sanford Meisner and his technique

Info on Uta Hagen and her technique

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Suraj talks about his recent close call with a TV audition. Also, actor Aramis Knight talks with Suraj about auditioning for a Steven Spielberg TV show, not getting it, but then moving on to bigger and better things.

Show Notes:

An article on “Ms. Marvel,” the show Aramis is starring in! Coming to Disney+ soon

“Zen in the Art of Archery” by Eugen Herrigel

Aramis’ TV show “Into the Badlands” on Netflix

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This week’s episode is a little different! Suraj speaks with multiple guests about setbacks they experienced in their artistic careers. Vic Vasconcellos talks with Suraj about a serious injury she had, and Lauren Owens (Lauren Dair) discusses working on a song after a tragic death.

Part II of this series comes on Monday. Stay tuned!

Show Notes:

Vic’s Website

Lauren Dair’s song with Linkin Park called “Every Little Light”

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Suraj speaks with Amirtha Kidambi about her work as a singer, musician, bandleader, and composer in the creative music/avant-garde scene in NYC. Amirtha talks about how her upbringing as a first-generation Indian-American affects her artistic process, how she (and other musicians) arrived at the term “creative music” to describe the music she sings/plays, and how colonization has had an adverse impact on fully experiencing music. Also, FYI, Amirtha is Suraj’s second cousin! For subscribers on podcast apps, see additional show notes and links on the AIAIF website! Link below.

Because this week’s episode is a little more “in the weeds” on topics like modern jazz and experimental film, I’ve made a more extensive list of show notes. Amirtha was talking about so much great artistic material — a lot of artists and works that I didn’t know — and I just HAD to include it all in the episode!

Show Notes and Links:

Amirtha Kidambi’s website — Lots of great videos and links to her work here, HIGHLY RECOMMEND

Amirtha’s albums with her band, Elder Ones — “Holy Science” (2019) and “From Untruth” (2018)

Amirtha Kidambi & Lea Bertucci’s “End of Softness” (2020)

Mary Halverson’s “Code Girl” (2018) — Amirtha is a member of this band!

Understanding the concept of Indian “Raag”

NY Times obituary of Kadri Gopalnath, Indian alto-saxophonist — There’s a wonderful video of Mr. Gopalnath’s music that is a great introduction to the music Amirtha discusses in the episode

Ornette Coleman’s “Free Jazz” (1961)

John Coltrane’s “Impulse! Records” Discography — Every one of the albums is worth listening to, with “A Love Supreme” (1964) and “Duke Ellington and John Coltrane” (1962) being two great starting points, in my opinion.

Pitchfork review of Albert Ayler’s “Spiritual Unity” (1964)

Lydia Goehr’s “The Imaginary Museum of Musical Works” (1992)

NY Times obituary of Fred Ho, Asian-American composer and musician — Another obit that I think is a good jumping-off point for discovering of Mr. Ho’s music.

George E. Lewis's book “The AACM and American Experimental Music” (2008)

A NY Times article on the AACM at its 50-year anniversary in 2015

A guide to the discography of Anthony Braxton, alto-saxophonist and composer

A NY Times article on Vijay Iyer and a link to his NEW album “Uneasy” (2021) — Few jazz musicians today excite me as much as Vijay Iyer. Amirtha and I discuss the paradoxes of the word “accessible” when referring to music in the episode, but if you want to hear Iyer sticking to a more recognizable harmonic palate, check out his album “Accelerando” (2012). He does a version of Michael Jackson’s “Human Nature” that is groovy beyond belief.

Alice Coltrane’s recording of the “Sai Bhajan,” “Prema Mudhita” and her albums “A Monastic Trio” (1968) and “Journey in Satchidananda” (1971)

Website of Ravi Coltrane, Alice and John’s son, a current jazz saxophonist

Suneil Sanzgiri’s website — filmmaker that Amirtha collaborated with on two film scores

Indian film director Satyajit Ray’s “Apu Trilogy” in the Criterion Collection, Roger Ebert’s review of the trilogy, and an interview with Ray

An article from Vox on Iranian film director Abbas Kiarostami and a link to “Taste of Cherry” (1997) in the Criterion Collection

An article on Charlie Chaplin filming “Modern Times” (1936)

Robert Bresson’s “Pickpocket” (1959)

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The Imaginary Museum of Musical Works: An Essay in the Philosophy of Music

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Suraj speaks with Rebecca Lemon, a Professor of English at the University of Southern California. Prof. Lemon talks about the works of Shakespeare and their place in the English canon, how to interpret/study Shakespeare in the modern era, and the connection between iambic pentameter and regular spoken English. She also discusses the vital role of the humanities and how she finds inspiration to write her own books.

I took Prof. Lemon’s ENGL 230, “Shakespeare and His Times,” when I was a student at USC. I greatly appreciated the way she contextualized Shakespeare through the lens of race and gender. Our class often had tough and nuanced conversations, and the result of those conversations, at least for me, was true inspiration for my own artistic works.

I’m so glad to have Professor Rebecca Lemon on Art In All Its Forms!

CORRECTION: March 26th, 2021

An earlier version of this post misstated Rebecca Lemon’s title. She is a Professor of English, not an “Associate Professor.” I regret the error.

Show Notes and Links:

Rebecca Lemon’s website

Prof. Lemon’s book “Addiction and Devotion in Early Modern England”

Prof. Lemon’s book “King Richard III: Language and Writing”

Prof. Lemon’s book “Treason by Words”

Duke Ellington’s Such Sweet Thunder

Richard III’s opening monologue

The scene between Desdemona and Emilia in “Othello”

“Is Othello a Racist Play?” from the Royal Shakespeare Company

Finding the body of Richard III in a Leicester car park

RaceB4Race at ASU

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Suraj talks with Joey Messina-Doerning, a Grammy-nominated music producer and engineer. Joey explains the difference between being a producer, an engineer, a mixing engineer, and a mastering engineer on a given project. He also talks about his work on HAIM’s “Women in Music Pt. III,” which was nominated this year at the Grammys for “Album of the Year.” Suraj asks Joey about the paradoxes of producing music and what it’s like to make music in the time of social media.

Show Notes and Links:

HAIM’s “Women in Music, Part III”

Maisyn’s “Cool Grl”

Joey’s Instagram

A USC Thornton School of Music article on Joey and other USC Grammy nominees

Rostam Batmanglij’s website

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Suraj speaks with Sari Arambulo, an actress, producer, and digital creative. Sari talks about growing up in LA, acting on the hit show “A.P. Bio” (NBC/Peacock), and producing new independent films. Suraj and Sari also have a conversation about diversity in Hollywood and how it has progressed over the years.

Show Notes:

Sari’s Instagram

A.P. Bio: The Podcast

Sari’s IMDb (to find all of Sari’s other work)

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NOTE: This conversation was recorded back in September of 2020.

Suraj speaks with Peter Erskine about his distinguished career as a jazz musician. Peter talks about his early music education, as well as his work with the Stan Kenton Orchestra, Weather Report, and numerous other groups. He also talks with Suraj about his philosophy of drumming and how the drum set connects with other artistic interests of his. Finally, Peter recommends a book he has co-written with Dave Black, "The Musician's Lifeline." (Alfred Music)

Show Notes:

Peter's website
Peter's book (co-written with Dave Black) entitled "The Musician's Lifeline"
Peter's record, "3 Nights in L.A."

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Suraj speaks with Kyle Allen about his artistic work. Kyle talks about his background in ballet, how he got to Los Angeles, his TV and film work, and more. Kyle's new film The Map of Tiny Perfect Things comes out on February 12th!

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Suraj talks with Chris Callister about his work as a film editor. They discuss Chris's unique family, how Chris thinks about his role as a film editor, how Chris got to Los Angeles, the projects he has worked on, and more.

NOTE: This was recorded in late 2020, before the major events of the past two weeks.

Show Notes:

Chris's Website
Seeing Allred (film on Netflix)
Who Will Write Our History (film to rent on Amazon)

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Suraj talks with Maura Tuffy about her work as a singer and choral conductor. They talk about how Maura got her start in music, what led her to USC and then to Yale, how choral music can impact audiences in the modern world, and more!

Show notes:

Maura's Website
Maura's Artist Facebook (to find CollaborArtists)
Considering Matthew Shepard by Craig Hella Johnson, Conspirare
LA Times piece on Jenny Wong

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Suraj speaks with drummer Luke Woodle about Luke's band, Cab Ellis. They talk about their music education at USC, what it's like to start a band from the ground up, how to make music that is both authentic and accessible, and more!

Show Notes:

Vic Firth's History of the Drumset: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM869WYpp-0
Cab Ellis' Record, entitled "Nighttime OCD": https://cabellisband.bandcamp.com/album/nighttime-ocd
Cab Ellis on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cabellisband/?hl=en
Luke on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/luke_woodle/

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Suraj speaks with Camilla Tassi about her work with projection design in theater and opera. You may ask, "What is projection design?" Find out here! It's really cool. Camilla talks about her education at Dartmouth and Yale, how her work in computer science affects her artistic work, and what it means to present live performance to audiences in the 21st century.

Show Notes:

Camilla's website

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Suraj speaks with Nick George about the Alexander Technique (AT). They talk about Suraj's AT lessons with Nick, the basic principles and training involved in AT, and how AT can be used as a broader tool for artists of all kinds.

Show Notes:

Michael J. Gelb's Body Learning: An Introduction to the Alexander Technique

2. Nick's website, www.thepowerofpoise.com

Nick's Instagram

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Suraj speaks with Lucie Shelley about her design work for Verb haircare products. They talk about Lucie's music background, how she got into graphic design, and her process in designing the Art In All Its Forms logo.

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Suraj speaks with Adam Karelin about Adam's music and the University of Southern California's Concerto Chamber Orchestra (CCO), which he is the director of. Adam talks about music in the time of COVID-19, CCO's virtual music festival, and the steps CCO is taking to combat systemic racism and injustice in orchestral music.

Show Notes:

Adam's personal website
CCO's Website
CCO's Instagram page, where you can find their magnificent take on Camile Saint-Saëns' Carnival of the Animals

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Suraj speaks with Alan Chow about creating content for Tik Tok. Alan talks about his acting career, his guest star appearance on Grey's Anatomy, his social media following, and more!

Show Notes:

YouTube Clip of Ellen Pompeo speaking on Ellen
Alan's Tik Tok Channel
The US government is considering a TikTok ban

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Art In All Its Forms is a podcast that explores the intersections between different art forms. Suraj Partha, an actor and musician, speaks with artists and professionals of all kinds to discover what inspires them and connects them with other artists.

The first guests include Alan Chow (actor and Tik-Tok Creator), Camilla Tassi (projection designer), Adam Karelin (composer and trombonist), Luke Woodle (drummer of band "Cab Ellis"), Lucie Shelley (designer), Maura Tuffy (conductor and soprano), and Nick George (actor and teacher of the Alexander Technique).

Coming soon...

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