The Fourth Wall: Recent Episodes
Kate & Holly
They say its hard to do! This month, we're chatting about our experiences breaking up with a fandom or a piece of pop culture or both! We're talking drifting away versus rage quitting, staying in the fandom after you've given up a show as well as leaving just the fandom.
Relevant links:
Kate's Q&A with Amy Spalding about The Summer of Jordi Perez
This week, we're getting ready for the Oscars on March 4th! We're chatting about the various nominations: what we've seen, what we still plan to see, what we hated and what we want to win! Plus some news and recommendations!
We're back, y'all! After taking the holiday season off, we're chatting this month about what resolutions we've set for 2018 for pop culture consumption: what we're planning to read, watch, and listen to! As usual, we also talk about a few current news stories plus our regular "Don't Do the Thing" and "Do the Thing" segments.
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The Assassination Podcast
On this episode of the pod, we're talking about all the new shows of the Fall 2017 television seasons from the 5 major networks + a handful of streaming offerings. We're also discussing the upcoming Emmys and who we think will win, which is especially fun given that we don't watch most of the nominated shows!
Relevant links:
Todd VanDerWerff on Inhumans
Todd on the Fall season
Todd on The Deuce
Buzzfeed Fall TV Preview
Book of the Month club
In this episode of the pod, Kate & Holly are chatting about SDCC news, what new shows we're keeping up with this summer, what existing shows we're catching up on, and discussing a couple recent pop culture controversies.
Relevant Links:
TV Time
Buffering the Vampire Slayer podcast
Not a Plan
We're tackling the topic of guilty pleasures this week! We're talking about various definitions of a guilty pleasure, whether we believe in them regardless of definition and how sexism and social perception play into the concept. Please note: in the news section we chat about the potential writers' strike that was looming at the time of recording. The threat of a strike was resolved before this episode posted.
This week on the pod, Carrie Raisler of The AV Club joins us to chat about the late, great The Vampire Diaries, which ended its 8 year run last month. We discuss not only our feelings on the show's finale, but also the lifecycle of television, what its like to cover a show weekly for years, and what made the show great in its heyday.
We're joined again in this episode for the second half of our chat with Poppy & Meredith from The Parabatai Podcast to talk about adapting books for movies and television, through the lens of The Mortal Instruments book series and Shadowhunters television show.
We brought friends again in this episode! In this episode and the next, Kate and Holly are chatting with Poppy and Meredith from The Parabatai Podcast about adapting books into movies and television shows. Freeform's Shadowhunters, adapted from Cassandra Clare's The Mortal Instruments series makes a great case study for talking about how adaptations work and how fandoms react to them.
We're talking about Norwegian teens today! Holly and Kate invited their friends, Carrie, Melissa and Serrae on to talk about the Norwegian teen drama, Skam. Up for discussion: how the format of the show makes it special, why its so darn good and whether or not an American version can be successful.
We're back! As you might have notice we took an unexpected break post-Election Day. In this new ep, we're talking about what we've been doing since then: what we've been reading, watching and how we're coping. We're also talking about some of our pop culture plans for 2017, including the Read Harder Challenge. Also, we chat about some TV news and an update on the Star Trek fanworks lawsuit.
We're talking about interacting with content creators this week! What are the obligations writers/actors/producers have when representing their properties on social media? How do fans approach them? All this, plus the news.
Inspired by Brangelina, we're chatting about celeb breakups and fandom this week. How do fans handle this sort of thing and how do celebs use the media to shape perception? We also chat about our level of investment in celeb couples and what we feel is the appropriate way to discuss them.
Relevant Link: Anne Helen Petersen on the Brangelina breakup
We're chatting about sports fandom this week, which ought to be fun because we are terrible at being sports fans. How is sports fandom different from other fandoms? What language do we use to participate in sports fandom? How do we pick the teams we root for? All that, plus the news.
This week, Kate and Holly are chatting about the fall television offerings. We're discussing the returning shows we're sticking with and the new shows we want to check out. All that, plus the news and our weekly recommendations!
This week, we're chatting about how fandom concepts can be used to understand the 2016 Presidential election. How is the media treating Trump & Hillary like love interests in a love triangle? What are the parallels between the general audience and the general electorate and how are hardcore partisans like superfans? All this, plus the news.
This week, we're chatting about the various ways of handling the inevitable: your fave is problematic. We're also chatting about letting people draw their own lines in these situations and how complicated it can be. Plus the latest news we care about and an update on Holly's Star Trek adventure.
Relevant Links:
Keepin' It 1600
Major Crimes
This week on the pod, we're chatting about that modern staple of television: the binge watch. What are the pros? What are the cons? How is it affecting the way television is written? Plus, we talk about bingeing on books and movies, too. All that, plus the news!
Following up on our chat about canon & The Cursed Child, we're talking this week about reactions to expansions of canon: additional books, sequels, etc, especially in cases where such expansion is unexpected.
This week, we're chatting about what counts as canon, what happens when canon expands, and the new installment of the Harry Potter canon: Harry Potter and The Cursed Child. The episode does contain spoilers for The Cursed Child but they are contained to the end of the discussion & verbal warning is given.
Relevant Links:
Canon & Star Wars' Expanded Universe
Star Trek's Alpha & Beta canon
Suicide Squad Review - Vox.com
We’re discussing the recent San Diego Comic-Con this week! We’re very proud to welcome in production designer and attendee, Katie Moest (The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, The New Adventures of Peter and Wendy) to talk to us about this year’s con and how its evolved over the years. We’re also chatting about major fandom news that originated from the SDCC panels and media coverage.
Relevant Links:
Poe Party (Katie’s upcoming project)
The New Adventures of Peter and Wendy
7 Things We Learned about Star Trek: Discovery at Comic-Con
Black Panther Casting Details
This week, Holly & Kate are chatting about the recently announced Emmy nominations, what networks & shows usually get nominated, what we'd like to see nominated and other related topics.
Relevant Links:
2016 Emmy Nominations
Forever Young Adult
This week, we're chatting about fan campaigns & petitions. From raising awareness of social issues to reviving a canceled favorite, we're chatting about the history and methods of fans banding together to accomplish a goal. Please be aware that we spend some time talking about a spoiler from the new Star Trek movie regarding Sulu.
Relevant Links:
Slate on Takei & the Sulu news
io9 List of Fan Campaigns in Sci-Fi & Genre TV
We're finishing up our discussion about fanfic this week, as we tackle the reasons people read & write fanfic, how to find the fanfic you want to read and some of the legal questions surrounding the practice.
Relevant Links:
Star Trek fan film guidelines
Archive Of Our Own search page
We're chatting about one of our favorite fandom topics this week: fanfiction. Up for discussion: what fanfic is, how long its been around, what terms and abbreviations you need to know, and what types of fanfic you'll encounter. We'll continue next week with a discussion of why people read fanfic.
Relevant Links:
Broadway's Orlando song
Fan Fest Orlando
Jared Padalecki's Orlando fundraising t-shirt
Tales from The Crypt partners with Wattpad
Tag Page of The Official Sterek Library fic rec blog (NSFW language)
Todd VanDerWerff on Spoilers (first line of piece contains Breaking Bad spoiler)
This week, Holly and Kate are discussing Holly's experience at the ATX Television Festival & the panels and screenings attended. Also up for discussion: the Tonys and the Emmy ballots.
Relevant Links:
Kate Explains How the Emmys Work
The West Wing Weekly Podcast
We're finishing up our series on shipping this week, while chatting about shipping and the patriarchy and answering listener questions. We're also giving our weekly Dos & Don'ts, along with discussing a couple articles linked below.
Relevant Links:
TV Ad Buyers Change
Why We're Terrified of Fanfiction
BBC History Podcast
This week, we're continuing our discussion on the shipping phenomena. Kate & Holly are talking about who gets shipped, what activities shippers engage in, whether or not shippers can ruin a piece of media or a fandom, and the concept of "endgame." Our current events talk this episode centers on the recent brouhaha over fandom entitlement. The @Hello_Tailor piece Holly references can be found here.
This week marks our foray into one of the most widely discussed fandom topics: shipping. In part 1 of our series on shipping, Kate & Holly are discussing what shipping is, why people might do it and share our early ships.
In our second episode, we're attempting to explain what a fandom is and what it does. What's the difference between being a fan and being in a fandom? We're also chatting a bit about this week's TV upfronts.
A few links we mention during this week's discussion:
Kate's TV Cancellation & Renewal Spreadsheet
The Importance of Fanfic for Queer Youth
Kate's Review of Girls on Fire
Welcome to Kate & Holly's new podcast about fandom! In this first episode, we're introducing ourselves and what exactly a podcast about the nebulous concept of fandom is going to discuss and do. Follow us on Twitter @fourthwallcast & on tumblr at thefourthwallpodcast.tumblr.com.