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Baillie Gifford first invested in SpaceX in 2018, nearly eight years before its record-setting stock market listing. Investment manager Luke Ward, who championed the holding, discusses what first drew him to the business, why Starship is critical to its future, and reveals where he’s now looking for another company with industry-upturning potential.
Background:
Luke Ward is an investment manager on Baillie Gifford’s Private Companies Team and co-manager of Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust.
In this conversation, he tells Short Briefings… host Leo Kelion how SpaceX’s first successful landing and recovery of one of its rocket boosters led him to explore an investment in the company, and how he gained access to its senior management.
Ward also explores three growth drivers that could determine its future success:
In addition, he discusses some of the risks in being a long-term shareholder in the Elon Musk-run endeavour.
Ward also reveals why he thinks the construction industry is ripe for disruption from 3D-printing robots.
Resources:
Baillie Gifford Private Companies Team
Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust
Elon Musk by Ashlee Vance
Private companies: our philosophy
Quantum, space, fusion: three firms engineering the future
SpaceX: the economics of the impossible
Starlink: broadband from above
Titan robotic construction system
Companies mentioned include:
· Alphabet (Google)
· Anthropic
· Astranis
· Rocket Lab
· SpaceX
· Tesla
Timecodes:
00:05 Introduction
02:00 A successor to the Space Shuttle
03:55 Reimagining a market
05:55 Reusable rockets
06:30 Mars as a ‘forcing function’
07:55 First encounter with Gwynne Shotwell
10:10 The ‘scale of the Dutch East India Company’
12:40 What we got wrong
14:25 The advantages of early access
17:50 Starship’s cost advantage
19:40 Next-generation Starlink satellites
22:30 AI and space-based datacentres
27:20 SpaceX’s scale of ambition
29:00 Governance risk
31:05 Flywheels and stepping stones
32:55 3D-printed homes
34:25 A “nerdy” book pick
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Path dependency: The idea that earlier choices shape and constrain what becomes possible later.
Rocket booster: The part of a rocket that provides extra thrust during launch, usually early in flight.
Orbital-class craft: A spacecraft or rocket powerful enough to reach orbit around Earth.
Market capitalisation: A public company’s total value on the stock market, calculated from its share price and number of shares.
Vertical integration: When a company owns and controls more of its supply chain itself, rather than relying on outside suppliers.
Point solution: A product or service built to solve one specific problem, rather than a broader system of related problems.
Balance sheet: A financial statement showing what a company owns, owes and is worth at a point in time.
Roadshow: A series of presentations in which a company and its advisers meet potential investors before a share sale or listing.
Cost curve: The trend in how the cost of producing or delivering something changes as technology improves or scale increases.
Geostationary orbit: An orbit where a satellite moves at the same rate as Earth rotates, so it appears to stay above the same point on the planet.
Transistors: Tiny electronic switches used in computer chips to control electrical signals.
S-curve: A pattern where progress starts slowly, accelerates rapidly and then slows again as a technology matures.
Ancillary services: Supporting services or costs around the main product or technology, rather than the core hardware itself.
Orders of magnitude: Very large multiples, usually powers of 10.
Radiation hardening: Designing or adapting electronics so they can keep working despite radiation in space.
Cap table: Short for capitalisation table, a record of who owns a company’s shares and on what terms.
Thermal mass: A material’s ability to absorb, store and release heat, helping to smooth temperature changes.
Tokenisation represents an “operating system upgrade” for the investment industry, says Theo Golden, Baillie Gifford’s new head of digital assets. In this episode, they explain what it involves and how it should deliver a better experience, both by reducing the number of middlemen between you and your investments and making your holdings more “useful”.
Background:
In this conversation, Theo Golden tells Short Briefings… host Leo Kelion about how tokenisation can reduce costs and complexity – and pave the way for providing clients with new services that better fit their needs.
Tokenisation means taking an asset – such as a fund – and turning it into a line of code. This lives on a blockchain: a shared digital record that no single party owns or controls. The investment itself doesn't change, but what does are the ways that ownership is recorded and transferred. Instead of a chain of intermediaries, each keeping their own set of books, everyone can work from one shared record. As Golden puts it, it's “the same but better” – the same investments, on faster, lower-cost, more flexible rails built for the internet age.
It also paves the way to new capabilities. Among those Golden discusses are making it much easier for clients to use the funds they invest in as collateral for loans, and the development of “agentic wealth management” – AI bots that autonomously plan and, potentially, update an individual client’s portfolio based on their risk appetite and changing circumstances.
Baillie Gifford’s first steps with tokenisation involve fixed income, but in time the ambition is to “build across our investment universe,” Golden says. “So be ready for Baillie Gifford on chain.”
Resources
Baillie Gifford digital assets hub
Dr Ian Hunt: Replicating Legacy is Squandering the Promise of Tokenisation: We Are Building a Faster Horse
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking podcast archive
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:40 “A world with less friction”
02:15 The lesson from losing it all
04:50 From Bloomberg to bonds
06:35 Defining tokenisation and the blockchain
08:20 Same assets, better system
09:35 One golden source of truth
12:35 Making assets more useful
16:10 Turning assets into “Lego bricks”
19:20 Stablecoins, regulation and new decision-makers
24:00 Managing crypto risks
26:25 The ‘same but better’ rule
28:00 Starting with fixed income
29:20 Meeting clients where they are
30:27 Book pick
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Trading volumes: The amount of buying and selling taking place in a market over a period of time.
Blockchain-based tokenisation: The use of blockchain technology to create digital tokens that represent ownership of assets.
Self-sovereign: Controlled directly by the owner, rather than depending entirely on a bank, platform or intermediary.
Custody: The safekeeping of assets. Self-custody means holding and controlling the asset directly yourself.
Counterparties: The other parties involved in a financial transaction or agreement.
Multi Asset: An investment approach that can invest across several asset classes, such as shares, bonds, currencies and infrastructure.
Catastrophe bonds: Bonds that transfer insurance-related risks, such as natural-disaster losses, from insurers to investors.
FX rates: Foreign exchange rates.
Smart contract: Computer code that automatically carries out agreed rules when certain conditions are met.
Token: A digital representation of an asset or ownership right on a blockchain.
Walled garden: A closed system where users can only operate within the rules and limits of one provider or platform.
Fixed income fund: A fund that invests mainly in bonds or other debt instruments that typically pay interest.
Growth equity fund: A fund that invests in companies expected to grow faster than the wider market.
Vehicle for transfer: The system or method used to move ownership or value from one party to another.
Rails: The underlying infrastructure that allows transactions or transfers to take place.
Reconciliation: The process of checking that different records match each other.
Shareholder registry: The official list of people or organisations that own shares or fund units.
Transfer agency register: A fund-administration record that tracks investor ownership and transactions.
Wallet: A digital tool used to hold and manage blockchain-based assets.
Finality: The point at which a transaction is considered complete and cannot easily be reversed.
Unitisation: The process of dividing a fund into units so investors can buy and sell a share of the fund.
Inert: Hard to move, transfer or use in other financial activities.
UK gilt: A UK government bond.
Margin call: A demand for more cash or collateral when the value of an investment or position has fallen.
Interoperability: The ability of different systems, assets or pieces of software to work together.
Composability: The ability to combine digital assets or software components, like building blocks, to create new services.
COBOL: Common Business-Oriented Language – an older computer programming language still used in some legacy financial systems.
AI agents: Software that can act semi-independently to carry out tasks on behalf of a user.
On-chain books and records: Official ownership and transaction records kept on a blockchain.
Stablecoin: A digital asset designed to track the value of a traditional currency, such as the US dollar or pound.
Fiat currency: Government-issued money, such as pounds, dollars or yen, that is not backed by a physical commodity such as gold.
USDC: A stablecoin issued by Circle that is designed to track the value of the US dollar.
FCA: The Financial Conduct Authority, the UK regulator for financial services firms and markets.
Burn a token: Permanently cancel or destroy a digital token so it can no longer be used.
Remit a token: Re-issue a token to a new wallet.
Neobank: A digital-first bank, usually operating mainly through apps or online services.
The US public’s tastes and habits are fragmenting, leading to new consumer behaviours. The shift from a handful of TV networks to an endless supply of streamed shows and social media clips is just one of many causes. Investment manager Dave Bujnowski discusses the characteristics that determine which growth companies should thrive in the resulting ‘high entropy’ environment.
Dave Bujnowski is an investment manager in our US Equity Growth Team and co-manager of the Baillie Gifford U.S. Equity Growth Fund and our American Fund.
In this conversation, he tells Short Briefings… host Leo Kelion about his work with anthropologist Dr Grant McCracken, studying the causes and effects of the fragmentation of American culture. They believe that US culture is a system that has entered a ‘high entropy state’ – meaning that tastes and habits no longer change in an orderly manner. The result is “tremendous instability” and a sense of “continual pandemonium”.
This shift, they argue, has implications for growth companies and helps explain why some are struggling to maintain mass-market appeal. But the disorder also plays to others' advantage, and they have sought to identify which will thrive and why.
Portfolio companies discussed include:
· Cloudflare – the service that protects websites from attack and optimises their performance
· DraftKings – the sports gambling platform that lets Americans bet on sporting events
· Samsara – the Internet of Things specialist helping companies track and make sense of data
· SharkNinja – the home appliance company behind the CREAMi ice-cream maker
· Shopify – the ecommerce platform serving merchants
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Resources:
Dr Grant McCracken
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking podcast archive
The Long View collection
Thinking in Systems
When systems fragment: entropy, cultural change and the next great US companies
Companies mentioned include:
· Alphabet (Google)
· Amazon
· Cloudflare
· DraftKings
· Meta
· Netflix
· Samsara
· SharkNinja
· Shopify
· SpaceX
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
02:05 System-level thinking
03:20 How change happens
06:10 Entropy and fragmentation
08:15 A conversation with Cloudflare’s CEO
10:20 Ants and anthropology
13:25 Grant McCracken on North Sea culture
15:15 The causes of splintering culture
17:05 New consumer behaviours
19:15 Challenging times for lululemon
21:00 Shopify and agility
23:10 Agentic commerce
25:40 SharkNinja and new niches
28:30 DraftKings and cultural anchors
30:40 Samsara’s entropy antidote
32:10 Finance and space: systems to watch
33:50 Book choice
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Entropy: In this podcast, a metaphor for systems becoming more fragmented, varied and harder to predict.
Cash flows: The money moving into and out of a business.
Market cap: The total stock-market value of a company: share price multiplied by number of shares.
S&P 500: A major US stock-market index of large companies.
Second law of thermodynamics: A physics principle often simplified as the tendency of energy in a closed system to spread out over time.
Mainframe: A large, central computer used by organisations to process major computing tasks.
Big iron: Informal technology term for large, powerful central computers.
MMA: Mixed martial arts, a full-contact combat sport.
Delulu: Internet slang for optimistic or unrealistic self-belief. Short for ‘delusional’.
Traffic aggregation: Bringing together large numbers of users or customers in one place, often online.
Total addressable market (TAM): The total potential market size for a product or service if it reached all possible customers.
Prediction markets: Markets where people trade contracts based on the likelihood of future events.
Internet of Things: Everyday equipment connected to the internet so it can collect and share data.
Bottlenecks often act as constraints on growth, but companies that create funnels through them can gain pricing power and capture long-term value. Investment manager Mike Taylor reveals some of the companies he thinks achieve this best and how he spots such pinch points before they fully form.
Mike Taylor is a Baillie Gifford partner, an investment manager in its Global Alpha Strategy and a co-manager of The Monks Investment Trust.
In this conversation, he tells Short Briefings… host Leo Kelion about how bottlenecks can confer an advantage on companies that sit astride them. That includes those that serve a mismatch between supply and demand created by others, and those whose products and services create a new pinch point, which they control. In addition, he explains why mixing a cocktail of bottlenecks in his portfolios can deliver smoother growth for their shareholders.
Portfolio companies discussed include:
Resources:
Don’t Burn Your Boats: the case for selective AI investing
Global Alpha Investment Strategy
SPQR: A History of Ancient Rome
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking podcast archive
The Monks Investment Trust
Valuing scarcity in the age of AI
Companies mentioned include:
Amazon
DISCO
Games Workshop
Tidewater
Freeport-McMoRan
Medpace
NVIDIA
Samsung Electronics
Sandoz
SK Hynix
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
02:10 Investing inside and outside Baillie Gifford
03:55 Defining bottlenecks
04:45 How Medpace helps biotechs meet regulatory requirements
07:35 Founder-leader, August Troendle
09:30 Stress testing the bottleneck
12:00 Games Workshop creates its own pinch point
14:50 Shepherding Warhammer over the long term
17:45 Mixing bottlenecks to reduce volatility
20:05 Tidewater and the coming offshore vessel shortage
23:30 Freeport-McMoRan feeds the US’s copper needs
26:20 AI bottlenecks: silicon wafers and high-bandwidth memory
30:00 Enduring versus fleeting bottlenecks
31:25 Book choice
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Adenovirus: A common type of virus that can cause mild illnesses such as colds, sore throats or conjunctivitis, but can also be modified for medical uses such as delivering genes into cells.
Gene therapy: A treatment that works by adding, altering or replacing genes inside a patient’s cells to treat disease.
Clinical trials: Research studies in people that test whether a medicine, treatment or medical approach is safe and effective.
FDA: The US Food and Drug Administration, the regulator responsible for approving medicines, vaccines and medical devices in the United States.
Contract research organisation: An organisation that helps biotechnology and pharmaceutical companies run clinical trials.
Private partnership: A business owned by its partners rather than by public shareholders.
Supernormal profits: Profits above what would normally be expected in a competitive market.
Supply side: The part of an industry concerned with how much of a product or service companies can provide.
Demand side: The part of an industry concerned with how much customers want or need a product or service.
Rate limiter: The factor that determines the maximum speed at which something can grow, expand or be produced.
Novel therapies: New types of medical treatments, often based on recent scientific advances.
Intellectual property (IP): Legal rights over creations such as brands, stories, characters, designs, patents or software.
Free cash flow: The cash a company produces after paying the costs needed to run and maintain the business.
Energy transition: The shift from fossil-fuel-based energy systems toward lower-carbon sources such as renewables, batteries and electrification.
Compute: The processing power needed to train or run AI models or other computing tasks.
High-bandwidth memory (HBM): A type of advanced memory chip that can move very large amounts of data quickly to processors, making it especially useful for AI systems.
Steam turbine: A device that uses steam to spin a wheel or rotor, converting heat energy into mechanical motion.
A series of “extraordinary” events has made the environment more challenging for growth stocks. But “this level of trepidation can’t go on forever”, says Baillie Gifford partner Stuart Dunbar in this latest episode, suggesting that patient investors will benefit when stability returns and the markets value exceptional companies at a premium again.
Stuart Dunbar is a director in Baillie Gifford’s Clients Department and is responsible for helping shape and communicate the firm’s investment philosophy.
In this conversation, he considers how a succession of disruptive events – the most recent being the current war in the Middle East – has rattled markets and led investors to focus on companies’ short-term profits rather than their long-term potential.
However, this period of flux will not last forever, he argues. And when we re-enter a period of stability, patience should be rewarded as markets recognise exceptional companies’ future earnings potential and price them accordingly.
In the meantime, Baillie Gifford’s investment teams remain focused on finding and supporting businesses that will prosper from change and supporting their management to take the long view. And as Dunbar reveals, as the sources of growth broaden out, we are backing some companies that come as a surprise.
Portfolio companies discussed include:
Resources:
Actual investors hub
Actual investing revisited
Baillie Gifford podcasts
Private growth investing
The Compound and Friends podcast
The Success Equation
Companies mentioned include:
AJ Bell
Amazon
Anthropic
Astera Labs
ByteDance
IREN
Medpace
Microsoft
Nu Holdings
NVIDIA
Spotify
WillScot
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
02:00 Active v passive
03:35 “Know what we own”
06:15 Building relationships with company leaders
07:55 Causes and effects of uncertainty
11:05 Beyond the Magnificent 7
12:45 A period of relative stability
17:50 Compressed valuations
19:25 Nubank and Medpace’s promise
23:10 Meetings with clients
25:40 Broader sources of growth
28:15 Private equity growth
31:25 Better-informed stock picking
33:25 Staying independent and standalone
35:45 “Wait until the market comes to its senses”
37:10 Book choice
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Latent heat: energy absorbed or released during a change of state, like ice melting, without a change in temperature.
Active investing: trying to beat the market by choosing investments based on research and judgement.
Passive funds: investment funds that track a market index rather than picking stocks actively.
Quantitative approaches: investment methods that use data, models and statistics to make decisions.
Market capitalisation weights: an index method that gives bigger companies a larger influence based on their total market value.
Alignment of incentives: making sure different parties are rewarded in ways that encourage the same goals.
Drawdowns: significant falls in the value of an investment from a previous peak.
R&D: research and development – spending on innovation and new products or technologies.
Backdate options: setting share-option dates retrospectively to make them more valuable, often controversially.
Shareholder registers: the official records of who owns a company’s shares.
Benchmark: a standard, often an index, used to compare investment performance.
Magnificent 7 / Mag 7: the seven giant US tech stocks that have dominated market performance in recent years.
GPU: graphics processing unit – a specialised chip often used for AI computing because it handles parallel tasks well.
Sub-market multiple: a valuation lower than the market average.
Strategic asset allocation: deciding how much to invest in broad asset classes like shares, bonds or private markets.
Benchmark-aware: closely focused on performance relative to a benchmark index.
Venture capital: investment in early-stage, high-growth private companies.
Private equity buyout funds: funds that buy controlling stakes in companies, often using debt.
Private equity growth: investing in more mature private companies that are expanding but not yet public.
Roadshow: presentations by company leaders to investors ahead of an IPO or fundraising.
Alternative asset classes: investments outside traditional shares and bonds, such as private equity or infrastructure.
Path dependency: the idea that outcomes are shaped by the sequence of earlier decisions and events.
From new cancer drugs to batteries and robotics – China’s top-tier growth companies are forging paths of their own rather than following in the west’s footsteps. Investment manager Sophie Earnshaw names companies that have caught her eye and explains why being a long-term stock picker differs in China from elsewhere.
Background:
Sophie Earnshaw is a decision-maker on our China Equities Strategy and joint manager of the Baillie Gifford China Growth Trust.
In this conversation, she tells Short Briefings… host Leo Kelion about a select group of Chinese companies breaking new ground, supported by the state’s efforts to become self-sufficient in more of today’s critical technologies and a leader in some of those of the future.
Earnshaw also details how the “phenomenal rate” at which companies are born, scale and die in the country makes stock-picking a challenging task – making the access we have to company leaders, academics and other local expertise core to our mission of finding the best firms to invest in on behalf of our clients.
Portfolio companies discussed include:
CATL – the battery maker whose products power electric vehicles worldwide and increasingly support the renewable energy sector
BeOne and Innovent Biologics – pharmaceutical firms developing the next generation of cancer drugs
AMEC and NAURA – semiconductor equipment makers enabling China to develop increased self-reliance in computer chips
Alibaba, ByteDance and Tencent – China’s ‘big tech’ companies, whose artificial intelligence tools are becoming embedded into people’s daily lives
MiniMax – the AI startup rolling out video and agentic tools at a fraction of the cost of western counterparts
Horizon Robotics – the automated driving tech provider with its eye on an even bigger opportunity.
Resources:
Baillie Gifford podcasts
China: a tale of two stories
China investment strategy hub (institutional clients only)
House of Huawei
Private investor forum 2025: investing in great growth companies
Trip notes: on the road with Baillie Gifford China Growth Trust
Companies mentioned include:
Alibaba
AMEC
ASML
BeOne
ByteDance
CATL
Horizon Robotics
Innovent Biologics
Jiangsu Hengrui
Huawei
MiniMax
Samsung
NAURA
Tencent
TSMC
Xiaohongshu
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:55 Joining the China Equities Strategy
02:40 Intense competition
04:00 The government’s influence
06:10 CATL, the electrification champion
08:45 Investing with a 5-year time horizon
10:25 Shanghai office, local expertise
11:45 Regulations and geopolitics
14:30 China’s next Five-year Plan
16:15 Innovent Biologics’ new cancer drugs
18:10 Lower-cost clinical trials
19:45 Being selective in semiconductors
21:25 Investing in chip equipment makers
23:00 China’s ‘big tech and AI’
25:10 MiniMax making AI like ‘tap water’
27:45 The road to robotics
29:35 A market you can’t ignore
30:30 Book choice
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Third plenum: a major policy meeting of China’s ruling Communist Party, often used to set big economic/political direction.
Sovereign bond issuance: The government raising money by selling bonds (IOUs) to investors.
Opportunity set: the range of investable companies available to choose from.
Capex: capital expenditure – money spent on long-term assets like factories, equipment, or data centres.
Fiscal deficit target: how much more the government plans to spend than it collects in revenue (taxes plus other income), expressed as a share of the economy.
GDP: gross domestic product – the total value of goods and services a country produces in a year.
Market capitalisation: the total value of a company’s shares (share price × number of shares).
ESG: environmental, social and governance – how a company manages environmental impact, people issues, and corporate oversight.
Large-form batteries: big battery packs used in things like electric vehicles and grid storage.
Energy storage systems: large batteries that store electricity for later use (helping balance the grid).
Generic drugs: copies of medicines whose patents have expired; usually cheaper, same active ingredient.
Bi-specific (bispecific) drugs: drugs designed to bind to two targets at once (often to direct immune cells to cancer).
ADC drugs: antibody–drug conjugates – antibodies that deliver a toxic payload to cancer cells.
Out-licensing: selling rights to your drug/technology to another company (often for upfront + milestone payments).
EUV machines: extreme ultraviolet lithography equipment used to make the most advanced chips.
Foundry: a factory business that manufactures chips for other companies.
Etch and deposition: steps in chipmaking – etch removes material to form patterns, deposition adds thin layers.
Picks and shovels: a metaphor for companies that sell essential tools to an industry (rather than end products).
Digitalisation: moving processes and services from offline to software and data-driven systems.
Compute: the processing power (chips and servers) used to train/run AI.
Large language model (LLM): an AI trained on lots of text to generate and understand language.
Margins: how much profit a company makes per pound/dollar of revenue (after costs).
Cloud business: selling computing power/storage/software over the internet instead of on a local machine.
Algorithm layer: the method or software logic that makes the AI work (as distinct from the hardware).
Gross margin: revenue minus direct costs (before overheads), a rough measure of product profitability.
Assisted driving: features that help a driver (lane-keeping, adaptive cruise control, etc) but don’t fully replace them.
Autonomous driving: a car driving itself with minimal or no human input.
Software attachment rate: the percentage of customers who add paid software features and/or subscriptions.
With developments in generative AI progressing at such a furious pace, how can investors cut through the noise to identify the companies that will really matter? Baillie Gifford’s Kyle McEnery shares his approach to meeting the entrepreneurs building the future – including his encounters with AppLovin, Anthropic, NVIDIA, Roblox and Reddit.
Background:
Kyle McEnery is an investment manager in our Long Term Global Growth Team (LTGG) and previously led Baillie Gifford’s Artificial Intelligence Research Project.
In this conversation, he tells host Leo Kelion why AI’s ever-increasing capabilities make this one of the most exciting times to be a growth investor, and how leadership and culture act as signals in the noise to help identify companies with the greatest long-term growth potential.
In addition to discussing which of the firms enabling and using today’s language-based ‘frontier’ AI models are leading the pack, he explains how efforts to understand and simulate real-world physics could unlock further progress.
Portfolio companies discussed include:
Anthropic – developer of the Claude AI models, which excel at coding, among other tasks.
NVIDIA – the semiconductors firm whose accelerator chips are powering many of the advances in generative AI.
Roblox – the video games platform whose Cube 3D technology allows creators to build objects and environments out of text-based descriptions.
AppLovin – the ad-tech company whose AI-first strategy keeps the business lean and nimble.
Reddit – the online discussion forum, whose authentic human conversations are gaining in value as a counterpoint to AI-generated output.
Resources:
AI and the future of everything: a long-term perspective
Anthropic: why we are backing the AI frontrunner
Long Term Global Growth Strategy (institutional investors only)
LTGG philosophy and process (institutional investors only)
Private companies: from Anthropic to Zetwerk
The forge of intelligence: exploring the rise of physical AI
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking hub
Companies mentioned include:
Alphabet/Google
Amazon
Anthropic
AppLovin
Horizon Robotics
NVIDIA
Roblox
Tesla
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction – Dartmouth College’s artificial intelligence workshop
01:50 From quantum to AI via asset management
02:50 Creating and then culling a machine-learning initiative
08:05 ChatGPT’s wake-up call
10:35 Exceptional companies at the dawn of generative AI
12:10 Anthropic’s appeal to business customers
14:55 A winner-takes-all opportunity?
17:05 Dario Amodei and the scaling laws
19:10 NVIDIA’s foundational role in neural networks
22:55 Making video game items in Roblox with AI
25:00 AppLovin – a company built for the next era
26:55 Reddit’s valuable conversational communities
29:35 World models, spatial AI and the physical world
32:35 Staying open-minded and humble
33:35 Book choice
Glossary of terms (in order of mention):
Generative AI:
AI systems that create new content such as text, images or code rather than just analysing data.
Machine learning:
AI techniques where systems learn patterns from data rather than being explicitly programmed.
End-to-end, systematic (investment strategy):
Fully automated, with decisions made by predefined rules rather than human judgement.
Agentic AI:
AI systems that can plan and carry out tasks autonomously rather than just responding to prompts.
R&D:
Research and development.
GPT:
OpenAI’s models, which power its ChatGPT chatbot.
Natural language processing:
AI that enables computers to understand and generate human language.
Token:
A chunk of text, such as a word or part of a word, used by language models.
Foundation models:
Large AI models that can handle a wide variety of tasks.
Know your customer (KYC):
Financial checks used by banks to verify customers’ identities and risks.
Scaling laws:
The idea that AI performance improves predictably as models, data and computing power increase.
Compute:
The processing power required to train and run AI models.
Jevons’ paradox:
The counterintuitive idea that efficiency gains can increase, rather than reduce, overall usage.
CUDA:
NVIDIA’s software platform for programming its chips for high-performance computing.
Jensen:
Jensen Huang, NVIDIA’s co-founder and chief executive.
Metaverse:
Shared virtual worlds where people interact, create and play online.
Large language models (LLMs):
AI systems trained on vast amounts of text to understand and generate language.
Multimodal models:
AI systems that can process multiple types of data, such as text, images and video.
World models:
AI systems that learn how the physical world works in order to predict and simulate it.
Embodied AI:
AI that learns through physical interaction with the real world, such as robots or vehicles.
Imitation learning:
Training AI by having it copy actions demonstrated by humans.
From Pony.ai launching a robo-taxi service during a Shanghai storm to E Ink revolutionising the way supermarkets label their shelves – emerging market companies are in many cases leapfrogging western counterparts. In this episode, investment manager Alice Stretch reveals to host Leo Kelion some of the most disruptive companies innovating at speed in Asia and Latin America.
Background:
Alice Stretch is an investment manager in Baillie Gifford’s Emerging Markets Equity Team. In this conversation, recorded as part of our annual Disruption Week briefings, she explores some of the growth companies in her portfolios turning constraints to their advantage and reducing friction in their customers’ lives.
Companies discussed include:
PolicyBazaar – the Indian insurance platform making it easier for people to protect themselves against life’s financial shocks.
Nubank – the Brazilian digital lender extending access to banking and credit.
Meituan – the food delivery and local services app extending its reach beyond China.
MercadoLibre – the Latin American ecommerce and fintech giant expanding into advertising.
Mobile World – the Vietnamese conglomerate that has expanded from mobile phones to competitively priced groceries.
Sea Ltd – the Singaporean gaming, shopping and fintech group eyeing the possibilities of agentic AI.
TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) – the world’s leading chip manufacturer.
E Ink – the Taiwanese e-paper pioneer building on its ebook success to provide supermarkets with updateable price tags and marketers with low-power digital billboards.
Pony.ai – the first driverless car company to offer a robo-taxi service in four of China’s most populous cities.
Resources:
Disruption Week
Emerging markets: how we do what we do
Emerging markets: from imitators to innovators
Emerging markets: the next engines of growth (podcast)
Emerging markets in 2050: growth in a changing world
Imec
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking hub
Companies mentioned include:
Amazon
ByteDance
Chroma
E Ink
MercadoLibre
Mobile World
Meituan
Nubank
NVIDIA
PolicyBazaar
Pony.ai
Sea Ltd
Stellantis
TSMC
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction – Pony.ai takes to Shanghai’s roads
02:00 The imitators become the innovators
05:10 How PolicyBazaar benefits from not being locked into a legacy system
07:10 Nubank: reducing friction while expanding access to banking and credit
09:25 MercadoLibre’s multi-act expansion leads it to advertising technology
10:25 Mobile World’s move from selling handsets to groceries
11:50 Ways Sea Ltd developed capabilities while operating under constraints
13:45 Sea CEO Forrest Li’s ability to adapt and pivot
15:25 Taking the long-term view and a generalist approach
17:30 Studying the semiconductor industry with the help of Imec and TSMC
19:45 Investing in Chroma and E Ink in Taiwan
21:10 Walmart and other supermarkets adopt E Ink’s updateable price labels
22:45 The case for investing in Pony.ai as a long-term growth investor
24:10 Pony.ai’s cost advantage and international partnerships
25:55 Taking macroeconomic and geopolitical risk into account
27:15 Putting deep knowledge and research to our clients’ advantage
AI lab Anthropic, digital bank Revolut, Chinese social network Xiaohongshu and supply chain specialist Zetwerk count among Baillie Gifford’s most recent private growth company investments. These bold pioneers are part of an expanding asset class, representing some of the world’s fastest growing and most disruptive businesses. Investment manager Robert Natzler tells host Leo Kelion how and why we backed them on behalf of our clients.
Background:
Robert Natzler is an investment manager on our Private Companies Team and deputy manager of The Schiehallion Fund.
In this conversation, recorded as part of our annual Disruption Week briefings, he brings you up to date on his team’s recent activity, bringing our tally of private company investments to more than 160, with a total value of over $10bn.
Companies discussed include:
Mottu – the motorcycle rental and service provider, serving gig workers and others in Latin America.
Revolut – the digital bank that has surpassed HSBC and other traditional lenders in terms of its customer count.
Anthropic – the frontier AI lab behind the chatbot and coding champion Claude.
Xiaohongshu – the Chinese social network, also known as RedNote, with a strong and growing following, especially among young women.
Zetwerk – the outsourcing specialist giving western brands and manufacturers the ability to broaden their supply chains beyond China.
Resources:
About Robert Natzler
Disruption Week
From code to culture: private companies shaping the world
Private Companies Team
Private growth: looking over the overlooked
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking hub
Why we are backing Anthropic
Companies mentioned include:
Anthropic
ByteDance
Mottu
Revolut
Xiaohongshu (RedNote)
Zetwerk
Timecodes:
00:00Introduction – Mottu CEO Rubens Zanelatto’s masterstroke
02:20Investing in ‘real’ companies with ambitious leaders
05:20 Helping growth-stage companies prepare to go public
08:35Exceptional companies in California and beyond
09:55Mottu: providing motorcycles and maintenance to an underserved segment
13:10Revolut: pursuing a different playbook to traditional banks
16:35Gaining conviction in AI lab Anthropic
23:40Dario Amodei’s appeal to other AI talent
24:30Xiaohongshu (RedNote)’s popularity among women in China’s wealthiest cities
26:25Zetwerk: expanding access to factories around the world
28:37How Baillie Gifford clients can access private companies
29:35Taking a global perspective on private companies
From using AI to create better weather forecasts to helping people with disabilities get their dream job, Japan’s small companies are a disruptive force.
“If you’re trying to find the very best growth businesses on the planet – a benchmark isn’t a sensible place to start.” Baillie Gifford’s chief executive Tim Campbell explains the advantages of our style of active investing, the importance of long-termism and how AI fits into our process.
Background:
In April, Tim Campbell became Baillie Gifford’s chief executive and one of its managing partners. Earlier in his career, he was an investment manager before switching to Client Services, where he led our Emerging Markets Clients Team.
In this podcast, he explores how our investment teams adopted a conviction-led approach that centres on each company's merits, regardless of its weighting in benchmark stock indices. He describes what we mean by long-termism and the importance of having the right incentives in place. And he explains why being “out of step” with some market trends helps us serve both society and our clients’ interests.
The second half of the show focuses on changes afoot, ranging from further private company investments – including a recent holding in AI lab Anthropic – to our own adoption of artificial intelligence technologies and an exploration of new ways to access our strategies.
Resources:
Baillie Gifford: Actual investors
Disruption Week
Drayton and Mackenzie
One Useful Thing: Ethan Mollick’s blog
Our history
Private company investments
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking
The Friction Project
Companies mentioned include:
Anthropic
Amazon
MercadoLibre
NVIDIA
Runway AI
Timecodes
00:00 Introduction
02:10 From music in the Middle East to investing in Edinburgh
03:15 Making the move to Client Services
05:00 Rewriting the investment playbook
06:30 Client hunger for benchmark agnosticism
07:40 Active versus passive investing
10:20 A mutual understanding with clients
11:55 Drawdowns and hold discipline
14:30 Defining long-termism
17:00 Private company investments
19:30 Investing in Anthropic and Runway AI
24:55 ‘The mission doesn’t change’
27:35 Book choice
Inside ownership can give companies an advantage when it comes to long-term growth. That includes having a leader or family with a substantial stake in the business. And it also covers firms with farsighted backers, such as philanthropic foundations, which encourage management to take the long view. From airline Ryanair to hearing aid specialist Demant, investment manager Jenny Davis explores how having skin in the game drives firms to act with persistence.
Background:
Jenny Davis is a Baillie Gifford partner and an investment manager in our International Alpha Team. She specialises in companies based outside the US that offer ‘quality growth’ – combining the potential for outperformance with durability.
In this podcast, she explores how persistent, inside ownership works to the advantage of companies she has backed. Examples include firms with founders who have retained a significant stake, those with long-serving hired leaders rewarded with shares and other long-term incentives, companies with family owners where control has passed between generations, and businesses backed by a foundation or holding company with long-term objectives.
Companies covered include:
Discovery – the health insurer that has gone global, using data to nudge customers into improving their fitness.
Ryanair – the European airline that benefited from its chief executive’s obsession with controlling costs.
Technoprobe – the family-run ‘probe card’ specialist whose ability to spot faults in computer chips has kept pace with semiconductors’ increasing complexity.
Demant – the hearing aid specialist backed by a charitable foundation, which has invested in getting closer to its customers.
Scout24 – the German property portal whose independence Baillie Gifford helped preserve, allowing it to pursue a successful long-term growth strategy.
Resources:
Baillie Gifford
A new age of discovery: the case for international (restricted to certain clients)
Pioneers: 8 Principles of Business Longevity from Immigrant Entrepreneurs
Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking
Companies mentioned include:
Demant
Discovery Ltd
Ferrari
Hermès
Investor AB
LVMH
Novo Nordisk
Richemont
Ryanair
Scout24
Shimano
Technoprobe
TSMC
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:55 The “scenic route” to asset management
03:00 Focusing on quality growth
04:35 Persistence’s enduring edge
05:45 Different types of inside ownership
06:30 Discovery’s healthy nudges
08:10 Adrian Gore’s visionary leadership
09:45 How Michael O’Leary turbocharged Ryanair
12:45 Ryanair’s scale advantage
14:00 Technoprobe’s family leadership
16:25 Engaging with Richemont’s Johan Rupert
18:30 Demant’s long-term philanthropic backer
20:55 Providing persistence’s benefits to Scout24
22:55 Selling out of Credit Suisse
24:30 Persistence and alignment
26:10 Book choice
From microloans for farmers to free savings accounts for the ‘unbanked’ to customised insurance for gig workers to a cheaper, faster way for migrants to send money to loved ones: a growing range of services is helping many of the world’s least advantaged citizens increase their financial resilience. Previously, banks and other traditional lending institutions overlooked these customers. But as impact director Ed Whitten explains, by backing the companies now involved, you have an opportunity to improve people’s lives and achieve strong growth.
Background:
Ed Whitten is an impact director in Baillie Gifford’s Positive Change Strategy. Its dual objective is to provide our clients with attractive returns while contributing to a more inclusive, healthy world. Whitten’s role is to ensure that the companies it holds fulfil the second part of that pledge.
In this episode, he explores the topic of financial inclusion, explaining why the companies involved need to do more than simply provide access to loans, insurance and money transfers. Topics include how firms can use data and apps to deliver customised services that address specific people’s needs while protecting them from indebtedness. Whitten also explains how conversations with the companies Positive Change backs can nudge them towards better outcomes, such as providing customers with better financial education. And he explores the importance of helping people gain financial resilience against the effects of climate change and other events that could otherwise devastate their livelihoods.
Companies covered include:
Nubank – the digital-only bank used by most Brazilian adults that’s also growing in Mexico and Colombia.
Grab – the south-east Asian ride-hailing and delivery service that provides loans and insurance to drivers and merchants using its platform.
Remitly – the remittance service offering migrants a quick, low-cost and reliable way to transfer money to family and friends.
HDFC Bank – the Indian lender expanding its rural branch network to explain face-to-face how its services can put customers on a better financial path.
Resources:
Case study: Maliga
Nubank’s Beyond Access study
Positive Conversations 2024
The Song of the Cell
Trip Notes: Brazil (UK version / Ex-UK version)
Companies mentioned include:
Chime
Bank Rakyat Indonesia
Grab
HDFC Bank
MercadoLibre
Nubank
Remitly
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
02:05 From the British Army to impact investing
03:40 A sustainable, inclusive, healthy world
04:25 The different types of financial inclusion
05:40 Eyes open to the risks of indebtedness
06:45 Volatile repayment rates
07:35 Beyond accessibility: the personalisation of products
09:05 Partnering with CGAP and other development bodies
10:25 Nubank’s Caixinha money boxes
12:45 Nubank’s Mexican banking licence
14:15 Ensuring growth comes with impact
15:20 Grab’s loans and insurance
16:40 Grab’s data-driven approach to risk
19:45 The fast growth of remittances
21:25 Remitly’s cheaper money transfers
22:35 Gaining market share from Western Union
23:40 HDFC Bank’s expanding rural branch network
24:55 Financial inclusion in advanced economies
26:55 The ‘lucrative customers of the future’
28:15 Book choice
Emerging markets are reshaping the global economy, and a convergence of powerful, long-term trends is accelerating this shift. These include surging demand for commodities, exploding middle-class spending power and booming inter-regional trade.
Investment specialist Andrew Keiller reveals some of the standout growth companies positioned to capitalise on this transformation and why now might be the perfect time to take advantage.
Background:
Andrew Keiller is a partner in Baillie Gifford and an investment specialist in our Emerging Markets Clients Team.
In this episode, he discusses how some of the fastest-growing developing economies are driving change in the world and the forces that could further hasten that trend.
The discussion builds on his recent paper, Emerging markets in 2050: growth in a changing world, which identifies long-term structural shifts tilting the odds in favour of standout companies in Asia, Latin America and eastern Europe. In the podcast, he expands on this by identifying some of the companies that could be big winners, including:
In addition, Keiller discusses the implications of President Trump’s tariffs and why many Chinese companies still offer an exciting investment opportunity.
Resources:
Emerging markets in 2050: growth in a changing world
Emerging markets: our philosophy
Emerging markets: rethinking the opportunity
Finding high-calibre growth companies in emerging markets (podcast)
Luckin Coffee: looking forward
Kaspi's super-app
South-east Asia’s rising export stars (podcast)
SQM: powering the future
The Time-Travelling Economist by Charlie Robertson
Companies mentioned include:
Kaspi.kz
Luckin Coffee
Sea
SK Hynix
SQM
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:35 Baillie Gifford beginnings and a trip to Hong Kong
03:15 Transformational trends playing out to 2050 and beyond
05:05 US exceptionalism and multiple spheres of influence
07:25 Rising trade between emerging market nations
08:35 Redesigning Chinese e-scooters for Vietnam and the Philippines
10:15 The possibility of reduced reliance on the US dollar
11:40 Increasing demand for raw materials and semiconductors
12:35 Digital-first companies and underserved communities
14:45 Four types of firms capitalising on long-term growth factors
16:25 SQM’s lithium mines in Chile’s Atacama Desert
17:55 Lithium’s long-term commodity cycle opportunity
18:45 SK Hynix’s high bandwith memory and its role in AI
20:40 Kaspi.kz’s Kazakh super-app
21:40 Kaspi’s expansion plans in Uzbekistan and beyond
23:00 Sea’s founder Forrest Li and importance of culture
24:30 Luckin Coffee’s huge domestic opportunity
25:25 Luckin’s taste for invention
26:40 Investing in China amid a trade clash
28:50 The risk of underexposure
29:40 Book choice
30:55 Investing in Africa
Which UK growth firms have the greatest long-term potential? Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has pledged to “turbocharge” his government’s growth strategy after the US’s introduction of new tariffs. It promises to prioritise a handful of growth-driving sectors, including advanced manufacturing, the creative industries and ‘digital and technologies’. Our head of UK equity, Iain McCombie, has already invested in leading companies in each of these fields. In this episode, he discusses their ambitious growth plans, the importance of adaptability and why he remains confident of delivering strong long-term returns despite the trade restrictions.
Background:Iain McCombie is a partner in Baillie Gifford, our head of UK equity and joint investment manager of the Baillie Gifford UK Growth Trust. He also jointly manages our flagship Managed Fund.
In this episode, he discusses a selection of his portfolio companies that align with the growth-driving sectors the UK government promises to prioritise in its Invest 2035 strategy. These holdings include:
In addition, McCombie discusses how the government’s ambitious housebuilding targets could benefit Volution Group, whose ventilation products defend against dampness and mould, and the reason why his passion for history has taught him to be an optimist.
Resources:Baillie Gifford UK Growth Trust
Investing in the UK’s best growth companies (webinar)
Creo Medical: at the spearhead of surgery
UK Growth Trust: a 2024 perspective
Calder Walton: Spies – the epic intelligence war between East and West
Companies mentioned include:AJ Bell
Auto Trader
Experian
Games Workshop
Kainos
Renishaw
Volution Group
Wayve
Wise
Timecodes:00:00 Introduction
01:35 Three decades at Baillie Gifford
02:20 UK equities’ appeal
02:55 Jointly managing the UK Growth Trust with Milena Mileva
03:35 The relationship with the Trust’s independent board
04:40 The UK government’s growth plans
05:40 Responding to US tariffs
06:50 Taking a long-term perspective
07:55 Advanced manufacturing: Renishaw
09:45 Industrial 3D printers
10:50 Creative industries: Games Workshop
12:45 Licensing Warhammer to Amazon
14:15 Digital and technologies: Wayve’s self-driving vehicle software
16:45 Kainos and AI
19:20 Auto Trader car-selling digital business
21:35 Financial services: Wise and AJ Bell
23:35 Experian’s consumer debt data
25:20 Volution Group: ventilation for new homes
27:25 The advantage of active investing
28:35 Book choice and lessons from history
Are European stocks coming back into favour? After years of underperformance, many of the continent’s companies appear undervalued when compared to their historical prices and US counterparts. Investment manager Stephen Paice suggests that a group of growth-focused stocks could be among the biggest winners if sentiment shifts, and he identifies a handful of places they are thriving.
Background
Stephen Paice is a partner in Baillie Gifford, our Head of European Equities, an investment manager on the Baillie Gifford Growth Trust and European Fund, and a member of our International All Cap Portfolio Construction Group.
In this episode of Short Briefings…, he explores why European stocks have been trading at levels that make them appear historically cheap, what might cause opinion to turn, and how that relates to his pursuit of long-term exceptional growth.
Topics discussed include why some companies are more resilient than others to trade tariffs and other price pressures, changing attitudes to regulation, and the importance of culture.
Stephen also spotlights four categories of growth companies he believes offer huge promise:
Resources
Future stocks: our best ideas in Europe
Europe’s hidden tech titans
Benjamin Labatut: The Maniac
Gary Klein: Seeing What Others Don’t
Paul Kalanithi: When Breath Becomes Air
Richard Thomson: Apocalypse Roulette
Companies mentioned include
Adyen
ASM International
ASML
Camurus
Lonza
LVMH
Novo Nordisk
Richemont
Schibsted Marketplaces
Spotify
Timecodes
00:00 Introduction
01:45 From games of chance to European equities
03:30 The valuation opportunity
04:35 Addressing uncertainty and political instability
06:35 President Trump’s trade tariffs
08:30 Regulation and innovation
10:45 Our long-term growth investment philosophy
13:00 The case for Novo Nordisk
14:35 Tackling Wegovy’s muscle mass loss
15:25 Lonza’s growing market for biologics
16:50 Camurus’s FluidCrystal technology
18:05 Dominant digital platforms with network effects
19:40 Spotify chief executive Daniel Ek’s focus on customers
21:55 The importance of Adyen’s culture and leadership
24:40 ASML and ASM International’s semiconductor tools
27:25 Luxury conglomerates LVMH and Richemont
30:00 The advantage of ‘family involved’ companies
31:10 Being patient and putting up with volatility
31:55 Book picks
32:55 Spotting inconsistencies
Three technologies – quantum computing, reusable space rockets and nuclear fusion – could change the trajectory of human progress. Investment manager Luke Ward explains how a trio of private companies are bringing them closer to fruition.
Background:
Luke Ward is an investment manager in Baillie Gifford’s Private Companies Team and recently became co-manager of the Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust.
In this episode of Short Briefings…, he discusses three companies developing groundbreaking technologies and building innovative businesses as they do so:
Among the topics Ward covers are how photon-based quantum computers could drive progress in agriculture and batteries, among other industries. He also discusses how the Starlink satellite broadband provides a stepping stone to SpaceX’s larger ambitions. And he explains how SHINE’s work on detecting flaws in mission-critical aerospace components and making a new cancer treatment possible bring it closer to harnessing the reaction that powers the sun.
Resources:
PsiQuantum: making the leap to quantum computing
PsiQuantum: stock story
SHINE Technologies: an interview with chief executive Greg Piefer
SpaceX and other private company trailblazers
Starlink: broadband from above
Edinburgh Worldwide Investment Trust
Your vote, EWIT’s future
EWIT: Saba vote
Companies mentioned include:
PsiQuantum
SHINE Technologies
SpaceX
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:50 From mechanical engineering to investment
02:55 Technological innovation informing business innovation
03:45 Quantum computing versus the ‘classical’ approach
04:55 Using quantum computers to disrupt chemical fertilisers
06:10 PsiQuantum’s semiconductor supply chain advantage
07:20 A photonic approach to computing
08:05 Signs that PsiQuantum could succeed
09:45 PsiQuantum’s potential business model
10:30 Partnering with Mitsubishi Chemical and Mercedes-Benz
11:35 SpaceX: satellite launches and advanced rockets
12:35 Starlink’s high-speed internet from orbit
13:40 Connecting smartphones directly to Starlink
15:05 The investment case for Mars
16:55 Leading Baillie Gifford’s SpaceX investment in 2018
19:35 Considering other space industry investments
10:21 Nuclear fusion v fission
22:25 SHINE Technologies’ stepping stone approach
23:20 From advanced imaging to radiopharmaceuticals
24:15 Clinical trials for prostate cancer treatment Lutetium-177
24:40 Recycling nuclear waste
25:50 Saba vote: giving the public access to private companies
27:35 Investing in geothermal energy
28:30 Seeking inspiration in Silicon Valley
One way to find great investment opportunities is to ask yourself what must change over the years ahead. In this episode, Baillie Gifford partner Stuart Dunbar explores the increased use of robotics to fill gaps in the workforce and medical advances that help keep healthcare affordable, among other transformational themes.
Background:
Stuart Dunbar is a client relationship director and coordinates Baillie Gifford’s global marketing and product development activity, which includes responsibility for the firm’s Actual investors campaign.
For this Short Briefings… episode, he challenged himself to identify five transformational growth drivers that are both inevitable and investable. His picks cover:
Dunbar explains the factors making these forces of change necessary, including the ageing populations of many developed countries, the resulting labour shortages and rising medical budgets.
He also names some of the companies we have backed that could benefit, either by pioneering new or better ways of doing things or by playing critical roles in the involved supply chains. These range from John Deere & Co, whose self-driving tractors and precision-applied pesticide technologies help farmers increase yields and cut costs, to Nexans and Prysmian, whose extra-high-voltage cables connect offshore wind turbines to onshore energy grids.
Resources:
Actual investing: why thinking differently matters
Christiana Figueres: stubborn optimism
Eureka Alert: Cheryl Mehrkar’s robotic surgery
Michael Lewis: Going Infinite
Stuart Dunbar on growth investing (video)
Zeke Faux: Number Go Up
Past Short Briefings… episodes
Companies mentioned include:
Adyen
Amazon
Aurora Innovation
CATL
Coupang
Deere & Company
Enphase
Intuitive Surgical
Keyence
Moderna
Netflix
Nexans
Novo Nordisk
Nubank
Prysmian
Redwood Materials
Remitly
Renishaw
Wise
Zipline
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:30 Starting out in Hong Kong
2:20 Joining Baillie Gifford
3:20 The importance of optimism
4:30 Five inevitable, investable themes
5:45 Robotics and demographics
6:40 Investing in the rise of autonomous systems
8:30 Renishaw’s sensors
10:05 Intuitive Surgical and Deere & Co’s seeing robots
12:15 The intelligent design of drugs and Recursion Pharmaceuticals
15:40 Lower-cost healthcare
16:45 Selectively picking biotech winners
17:55 The energy transition and President Trump
19:40: Stubborn optimism
21:10 Undersea cables and solar installation
23:11 A new generation of payment providers
26:00 Delivery drones and self-driving vehicles
27:40 Focus on possibilities and what’s changing
28:35 Book picks – exploring cryptocurrencies
The US’s transformational upgrade of its drainage, power and road networks is a long-term investment opportunity hiding in plain sight. In this podcast, Michael Taylor reveals some of the outstanding companies involved and makes the case that the markets have yet to fully appreciate the advantages working in their favour.
Background:
Michael Taylor is an investment manager in Baillie Gifford’s US Alpha strategy. In this Disruption Week briefing, he explains why years of neglect coupled with the destructive consequences of wild weather and our insatiable appetite for data-processing power have led the US to embark on a massive renewal of its physical infrastructure.
Taylor suggests that many of the companies creating long-term value benefit from supply advantages, which help them defend their commoditised products’ prices. These range from ownership of gravel quarries, which are difficult to get planning permission for, to the use of a gigantic, portable plastic drain-making machine.
In addition, Taylor discusses what a second Trump presidency might mean for the sector and why finding standout companies involves travelling off the beaten track.
Resources:
Disruption Week
Building back: the great US infrastructure opportunity
Spotting the winners from the great US infrastructure renaissance
Companies mentioned include:
Advanced Drainage Systems
Eaton
Comfort Systems USA
Martin Marietta
NVIDIA
Stella-Jones
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:35 Exceptional businesses confronting an exceptional problem
3:20 The US v global infrastructure opportunity
4:35 Donald Trump’s second presidency
6:40 The benefits of patience
7:35 Wild weather
8:45 Investing in Advanced Drainage Systems
11:05 Labour shortages
12:15 Stella-Jones’s wooden telegraph poles
14:05 Tree-spotter specialists
16:15 Martin Marietta’s supply-side advantage
18:55 Recycled aggregates’ limitations
20:15 Finding US infrastructure investments
21:45 Comfort Systems USA and keeping datacentres cool
24:20 “Massive in terms of magnitude of spend and duration”
Many of the world’s most exciting, high-growth and disruptive companies are private. Moreover, the entrepreneurs running them are typically keeping them private for longer before trading their shares on public stock exchanges – and in some cases have no plans to do so.
Baillie Gifford’s Private Companies Team seeks out exciting businesses and founders in this space to give our clients access to an increasingly important source of long-term growth. Taking a highly selective approach, it has invested more than $9bn across over 140 firms over the past 12 years. In this podcast, Alexander Nicolier explains how it does so and discusses some of our notable holdings.
Background:
Alexander Nicolier is an investment manager in our Private Companies Team. In this Disruption Week briefing, he reveals the scale of the opportunity and the increasing impact that the sector’s restless founders and their exceptional companies are delivering.
From SpaceX to Bending Spoons, Epic Games to ByteDance, one of the distinguishing features of these pioneering firms is that they’ve been able to choose their shareholders. Nicolier reveals why Baillie Gifford’s patient approach and reputation have helped make us a favoured partner.
He also reveals how deep research helps him and his colleagues embrace the uncertainty that can be involved with backing companies at an earlier stage of growth than many public market stocks. And he introduces some of his team’s most recent investments, including the immersive experience specialist Cosm and the next-generation computing company Tenstorrent.
Resources:
Alexander Nicolier profile
Armand Spitz: seller of stars
Baillie Gifford Private Companies hub
Disruption Week
Private companies: investing in trailblazers
The hidden cost of software
Companies mentioned include:
Bending Spoons
ByteDance
Cosm
Disney
Epic Games
Loft
MercadoLibre
Meta
NuBank
Oddity
SpaceX
Starlink
Tempus
Tencent
Tenstorrent
Tesla
Timecodes:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 What’s often misunderstood about private companies
2:40 Relationship building in Brazil and Colombia
3:40 Why reputation matters
5:35 “Look out for a gringo”
6:30 Private markets’ scale
7:00 Our clients’ advantage
9:25 SpaceX and uncertainty
12:40 Dealing with setbacks
13:45 Bending Spoons’ business model
16:50 Cosm’s ‘shared reality’ experience
18:50 Tenstorrent and Jim Keller’s talent magnetism
20:20 The state of the IPO market
21:55 Why Epic Games has stayed private
25:00 Disney’s $1.5bn stake in Epic Games
26:40 “Too big to ignore”
China is transitioning from a property-led economy to one focused on advanced manufacturing. It already leads the world in electric car production and the batteries that power them. And it’s also a growing force in renewables, robotics and biotech. Investment manager Helen Xiong discusses some of the growth companies involved, why concerns about overcapacity seem overstated and why rising trade barriers have implications for stocks traded inside and outside China.
Background:
Helen Xiong is an investment manager in Baillie Gifford’s Global Alpha Team and recently became joint deputy manager of The Monks Investment Trust. In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking she discusses why global growth investors can’t ignore China even if they don’t directly own stakes in any of its companies.
She describes how the country has made ‘advanced manufacturing’ a strategic priority, laying the foundations for future growth. This has already yielded results, with companies such as the electric vehicle maker Li Auto and battery producer CATL creating long-term value for shareholders – with the prospect of more to come.
Xiong suggests that ‘rising trade barriers’ are one consequence of Western nations’ seeking to protect domestic industries and discusses how she takes this into account when deciding which companies to back. In addition, she considers the implications of Chinese retaliation and what that might mean for some of the US and Europe’s leading exporters.
Xiong also shares her view on recent stimulus by the Chinese central bank and government agencies, focusing on signals of a shift that could create long-term shareholder value.
Resources:
China: finding the new shoots of growth
Jonathan Haidt: The Righteous Mind – Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion
More from Helen Xiong:
Beyond NVIDIA: investing across the semiconductor ecosystem
Global Alpha Investor Forum 2024
Companies mentioned include:
Li Auto
CATL
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:30 The advantage of being Chinese, African and European
3:00 Relationships v individualism
5:15 China’s post-Covid economy
7:00 Why China matters to global investors
8:30 Overcapacity: a feature, not a bug
10:15 Brutal competition
10:55 Investing in Li Auto
13:45 Li Xiang’s attention to detail
14:30 The car industry’s iPhone moment
16:25 Trade tariffs
18:20 Potential Chinese retaliation
19:35 Chinese regulators
20:35 Stimulus
21:35 Focusing on long-term shareholder value
22:20 Book choice
23:45 Conclusion
Upheaval can create opportunity. Baillie Gifford’s Japan Team seeks out companies that will derive the greatest long-term benefit from transformational forces impacting business and broader society. In this podcast, investment manager Matthew Brett identifies four ‘structural growth’ drivers and the portfolio companies taking advantage of them.
Background:
Matthew Brett is the investment manager of The Baillie Gifford Japan Trust and our Japanese Fund, as well as co-manager of the Japanese Income Growth Fund. In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking he discusses four forces creating long-term growth opportunities:
Japan’s late embrace of digitalisation
the rising spending power of its Asian neighbours
the accelerated adoption of industrial automation
the unmet health needs of an ageing population
Brett also names some of the Japanese companies driving these changes or otherwise gaining advantage, including ecommerce conglomerate Rakuten, skincare beauty firm Shiseido, machine vision specialist Keyence and Alzheimer’s drug developer Eisai.
Resources:
Japan: the next opportunity
Kohei Saito: Slow Down – How Degrowth Communism Can Save The Earth
Companies mentioned include:
Calbee
DMG Mori
Eisai
Keyence
KOSÉ
PeptiDream
Rakuten
Shiseido
SoftBank
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:45 From psychology to investment
2:25 Changing Japan
3:15 Japan’s distinguishing market characteristics
4:15 Visiting companies and other equities research
6:00 Performance versus the TOPIX
8:00 Defining digitalisation
8:30 Leaving paper behind
10:15 Rakuten’s online enterprise
10:50 The advantage of QR barcode payments
11:30 Rakuten’s loyalty points scheme
12:25 Accelerating automation and industrial robots
13:30 DMG Mori’s precision machines
14:40 Keyence and robotic vision
16:40 China’s chance of catch-up
17:40 Rising wealth of Japan’s Asian neighbours
19:00 Shiseido’s skincare advantage
20:10 Unmet healthcare needs of an ageing population
21:30 Testing further uses for Eisai’s Alzheimer’s drug
23:30 PeptiDream’s synthetic peptides
24:00 Using AI to put peptides to use
25:10 Calbee’s continued innovation
26:00 Book choice
28:50 Conclusion
Sometimes, you have to take a step back to leap forward. Over the past couple of years, Meta, Amazon, Block and Shopify are among the growth companies to have made efficiency cuts following the pandemic. Gary Robinson, an investor in Baillie Gifford’s US Equity Team, says that’s made them more agile and resilient – qualities that will let them take advantage of artificial intelligence and other opportunities to drive long-term growth.
Background:
Gary Robinson is joint manager of the Baillie Gifford US Growth Trust, a manager of the American Fund and a partner in our firm. In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking, he explores how four leading internet-focused firms have streamlined their operations and reallocated resources to become more adaptable during a period of rapid change.
Robinson draws a parallel with companies that made cutbacks after the global financial crisis to suggest that the markets may have underestimated how much growth can be unlocked by leaders taking a hard look at their firm’s spending, organisational structure and business priorities.
Robinson suggests that recent efficiency drives will help Shopify, Meta and Amazon pursue AI-related opportunities that could meaningfully increase their earnings. And at Block, efforts to bring two products closer together could help the firm challenge Visa, Mastercard and American Express.
Resources:
Behind The Tech: Tobi Lütke: CEO and Founder, Shopify
Dwarkesh Podcast: Mark Zuckerberg – Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models & Caesar Augustus
Bent Flyvberg: How Big Things Get Done
Cyril Northcote Parkinson: Parkinson’s Law, and Other Studies in Administration
More from Gary Robinson:
Lessons from evolutionary biology
Why companies should embrace chaos
Companies mentioned include:
Amazon
Block
Meta
Netflix
Shopify
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:40 A background in biochemistry
02:55 The appeal of American companies
03:30 Parallels with the global financial crisis
04:40 Post-Covid efficiency efforts
06:25 Addressing overhiring and patched-together processes
07:40 Future-proofed businesses
08:00 The potential of AI
08:10 Shopify and the distraction of side quests
10:45 Shopify’s Sidekick assistant
12:50 Engineering Shopify’s internal operations
14:20 The authority of founder-leaders
16:00 Meta’s ‘year of efficiency’
18:00 How AI can drive further growth at Facebook and Instagram
20:10 Business chatbots on WhatsApp and Messenger
21:15 Investing in Block
22:30 Capping employee numbers without compromising growth
24:40 Square and Cash App’s potential to rival Visa and Mastercard
26:35 Meeting Jack Dorsey
27:40 Discipline and focus at Amazon
29:00 Amazon’s fast-growing advertising business
30:20 Generative AI’s trillion-dollar opportunity for AWS
31:25 Offloading routine tasks to artificial intelligence
32:25 Book recommendation
33:40 Outro
Emerging markets have sometimes promised more than they have delivered, but circumstances may be tipping in growth investors’ favour. Will Sutcliffe, head of our Emerging Markets Team, explains why it’s an opportune time to invest in the asset class.
Background:
Will Sutcliffe is the head of Baillie Gifford’s Emerging Markets Team and co-manager of our Emerging Markets Leading Companies Fund. In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking, he brings his 23 years of experience in the field to explain what makes the specialism different from other types of growth investing.
He makes the case that finding exceptional growth companies at attractive valuations is only part of the equation. Investors must be mindful of the broader macroeconomic environment, he explains, to avoid getting caught out by currency swings or spiralling debt costs. This leads him to conclude that recent resilience in emerging market economies could point to a favourable outlook for the asset class’s growth stocks.
All this only matters to our portfolios if there are exceptional businesses to invest in, and Sutcliffe argues that the emerging markets are home to an increasing number of world-class companies. They range from the Taiwanese chip maker TSMC to the energy, retail and telecoms conglomerate Reliance Industries.
Resources:
Emerging markets: why bother?
Stock story: Pinduoduo
South-east Asia’s rising export stars
Jio Financial Services
Natura
PDD Holdings
Pinduoduo
Reliance Industries
Temu
TSMC
Gabriel Garcia Marquez: Until August
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:45 Joining the Emerging Markets Team
03:15 A ‘terrifying’ baptism of fire
05:00 Emerging markets’ ‘dirty little secret’
05:45 Qualifying for emerging markets status
06:45 Higher-calibre companies
08:00 Macroeconomic resilience
09:30 US-China tensions and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
12:00 Investing in China
13:45 PDD Holding’s Pinduoduo and Temu
A new medicine that can help patients lose 15 per cent of their body weight could have far-reaching consequences for healthcare. Wegovy mimics a hormone the gut releases, reducing appetite and slowing digestion to delay hunger’s return. Research is also underway into other potential health benefits.
In this podcast, Baillie Gifford investment manager Ross Mathison discusses its maker, the Danish pharmaceuticals manufacturer Novo Nordisk, which became Europe’s most valuable company in 2023.
Background:
Ross Mathison is an investment manager in our Global Income Growth Team, co-manager of our Global Income Growth Fund and deputy manager of the Scottish American Investment Company (SAINTS).
In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking,he discusses how medicines that mimic the glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1) hormone could help tackle the growing problem of weight gain. Forecasts suggest that by 2035, more than half the world’s population will either be overweight or obese. That’s likely to lead to more people suffering associated diseases, putting health budgets under further strain.
Novo Nordisk initially researched GLP-1s as a diabetes treatment. The company is the world’s biggest insulin producer, but it’s the release of its weight-loss drug Wegovy that’s transformed its growth prospects. News that medical trials suggest that the therapy could also reduce the likelihood of heart attacks, strokes and other cardiovascular threats among some patients has driven further investor interest.
Mathison explains that there could be further health benefits beyond this, how even more effective treatments could follow and why Novo Nordisk’s manufacturing edge and connection to the world’s biggest charitable foundation bode well for its future.
Resources:
New England Journal of Medicine: Semaglutide trial
Novo Nordisk cardiovascular trial press release
Novo Nordisk kidney trial press release
Novo Nordisk Foundation
Wegovy
World Health Organization obesity factsheet
Hitting Against the Spin
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:40 What are GLP-1s?
4:00 Scientific breakthrough
5:05 Obesity: a disease, not a choice
6:45 Novo Nordisk’s drug, Wegovy
08:10 Prescription costs
What distinguishes companies that will thrive from those that will perish? In this episode, we explore three traits that mark out the companies set to surge ahead from those more likely to struggle:
They solve real-world problems
They are financially strong and disciplined
They are highly adaptable
Baillie Gifford partner Tim Garratt discusses these characteristics, gives examples of companies that exhibit them and explains why this feels like a once-in-a-generation opportunity to be a long-term growth investor.
Background
Tim Garratt is an investment specialist, overseeing the institutional clients who invest in our Long Term Global Growth strategy and leading our broader client specialist network.
He recently co-authored the paper Why growth, why now?, which reaffirms our beliefs about how growth investing can generate attractive returns.
In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking,he discusses how interest rate rises, restricted amounts of capital and geopolitical tensions are causing a stock market shake-out. And he explains why this plays to the advantage of patient investors who focus on the fundamentals when picking growth stocks.
Garratt gives examples of how companies, including Netflix, Roblox, Shopify and Amazon, fulfil the criteria we seek. And he explains how Baillie Gifford itself is adapting to the times, exploring the use of machine learning and other tools to hone our investment process.
Resources:
Why growth, why now?
We’re all climate hypocrites now
See & Spray
Netflix engagement report
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:30 From abundance to limitation
03:45 Implications for investors
05:20 Real world problems: supply chains
07:30 Deere and hi-tech farming
09:00 Financial strength and discipline
09:50 Netflix and pricing power
12:00 Keeping watch on margins
14:15 China’s electric vehicle makers
16:15 Adaptability and new business models
16:50 Roblox adds AI
19:30 Microsoft, Amazon and environmental costs
21:45 Sea and the importance of culture
23:00 How Baillie Gifford is adapting
25:05 ‘Why now?’ for growth investing
26:55 Book choice
Show notes
Amazon and DoorDash take different approaches to bridging the physical and digital worlds. Amazon has built an extensive infrastructure of warehouses, logistics networks and data centres to directly control its operations. DoorDash instead relies on partnerships with restaurants and stores for deliveries, limiting its capital investment. In this podcast, Baillie Gifford investment manager Kirsty Gibson analyses the advantages of each model and how both approaches can pose a disruptive challenge to more traditional businesses.
Amazon and DoorDash exemplify two distinct approaches to rooting a business in both the physical and digital worlds. Amazon has done so by investing deeply in physical infrastructure, including its vast logistics operations and data centres. DoorDash, by contrast, has focused on partnering with others to offer meal and grocery deliveries. Baillie Gifford investment manager Kirsty Gibson explores the merits of each approach and discusses how the two companies and others like them can pose a disruptive challenge.
Background
Kirsty Gibson is an investment manager in Baillie Gifford’s US Equity Growth Team and is joint manager of the American Fund and US Growth Trust.
In this episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking, she explores how a growing number of companies are posing a challenge to incumbents by innovating in both the digital and physical realms. The podcast draws on an interview she gave as part of Baillie Gifford’s Disruption Week 2023 event.
In addition to discussing how Amazon and DoorDash put this into practice, Gibson also discusses the chemicals maker Solugen, self-driving lorries pioneer Aurora and electric car maker Rivian, among others.
Resources:
Where software meets steel
Disruption Week 2023 articles and videos
Growth waves: supporting companies and spotting opportunities
Past podcasts
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
1:30 Historical background
4:21 Capital-intensive and capital-light approaches
5:31 How Amazon blends its physical and digital operations
8:33 Rivian’s electric pickup trucks
9:57 Solugen: making chemicals with software
13:39 DoorDash’s capital-light approach
15:45 DashMart distribution centres
17:28 Aurora’s autonomous trucking business model
20:30 Reinvesting in Meta
23:25 Investing with conviction
24:18 Ginkgo Bioworks’ potential
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Companies mentioned include:
Alphabet
Amazon
Aurora Innovation
DoorDash
Ginkgo Bioworks
Meta
Netflix
Rivian
Solugen
Tesla
Twilio
China became known as the world’s factory thanks to it offering companies a way to manufacture all kinds of goods at a high quality and relatively low cost. But in recent years, south-east Asian nations, including Vietnam and Indonesia, have begun challenging it for that status. Baillie Gifford investment manager Ben Durrant recently returned from a tour of the region. He discusses some of the long-term growth opportunities he unearthed on his trip.
Background
Ben Durrant invests on behalf of the Pacific Horizon Investment Trust, the Pacific Fund, and our Emerging Markets Equity Team. In this latest episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking, he explores the factors that led China to become the world’s leading exporter and how its move up the value chain is now creating opportunities for other south-east Asian countries to grasp. Durrant reviews some of his most memorable encounters in Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand and reveals which growth companies excited him the most. They include businesses using mined metals to make car batteries, banks serving populations with growing spending power and, perhaps surprisingly, one of the world’s leading catfish exporters.
Resources:
The Indonesian companies powering the green transition
Ben Durrant LinkedIn page
How Asia Works
How the World Really Works
Past podcasts
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
01:30 China’s success as a low-cost exporter
03:15 Land reform’s role
04:00 Good quality, low-cost labour
05:45 South-east Asian countries’ advantage
07:15 Vietnam’s growth opportunity
09:30 Vin Hoan: exporting catfish
11:45 Sourcing local insights
13:30 Indonesia’s move up the value chain
16:15 Clusters of expertise in Malaysia
18:00 Looking beyond tourism in Thailand
20:15 Moving up the value chain
22:15The attraction of growth investing in southeast Asian
23:15Paying attention to macroeconomics
24:30Book recommendation
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Companies mentioned include:
FPT
Hyundai
Samsung Electronics
Vinh Hoan
Is the time ripe for Japanese growth stocks? Donald Farquharson is Baillie Gifford’s head of Japanese equities and knows the market better than most. In the latest episode of Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking he draws on a recent visit to the country to explain why conditions seem favourable for a cohort of domestic companies with long-term mindsets.
Background
There’s a sense of renewed confidence and enthusiasm in the air in Japan. The country is home to the world’s second-largest market for equities after the US, but it doesn’t get a corresponding degree of attention from international investors.
The reason is partly because of the nation’s past weak economic performance. But a recovery is underway, and critically, many of its growth stocks have strong balance sheets, big ambitions and a positive story to tell.
In this episode, Baillie Gifford partner Donald Farquharson draws on his experience of investing in Japan since 1990 to explain why he’s particularly optimistic about the opportunities ahead for a select group of companies. They include the medical equipment maker Olympus, the car components manufacturer DENSO and the takeover advisory service Nihon M&A Center.
He also shares why he thinks some misunderstand Japan and why it’s no coincidence that many of the companies he backs are founder-run.
Resources:
Discovering the unsung superstars of Japanese technology
From Yahoo! to Z Holdings: the evolution of an online pioneer
Japan: the small businesses with big opportunities
Investing in Japan: distance lends perspective
Donald Farquharson’s LinkedIn page
Aiming High: Masayoshi Son, Softbank Group and Disrupting Silicon Valley
Past podcasts
Timecodes:
00.00 Introduction
01:40Investing in Japan in the 1990s
03:00 ‘Undiscovered’ Japan
03:55 How banks and other businesses changed
05:30 A sustainable recovery?
06:45 An exciting time for growth companies
07:45 Strong balance sheets
08:15 Olympus and endoscopes
09:45 Diversity on the board
11:00 Nihon M&A Center and company takeovers
12:50 DENSO, a major supplier to Toyota and others
14:30 Toyota City, home to one million people
15:35 Competition for car batteries
16:30 Baillie Gifford’s advantage in Japan
17:45 Looking beyond the headlines
18:20 Book recommendation: Masayoshi Son and Aiming High
19:45 Investing in founder-led firms
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Companies mentioned include:
DENSO
Koganei Country Club
Nihon M&S Center
Olympus
Panasonic
ROHM Semiconductor
Softbank
Toyota
What counts as a growth stock is ever-changing. Mark Urquhart shares lessons from 27 years of investing to explain how he decides what to buy and how long to hold as he continues his hunt for outsized returns.
Background:
In 1996, our largest investments included oil and gas companies and high street banks. These days, our biggest holdings specialise in computer chips, ecommerce and biotech. We still pursue long-term growth – companies we believe will reach their potential given time. But we find it in different places.
In this episode, partner Mark Urquhart explains how he tries to identify companies that can grow for a decade or longer, allowing their sales, profits and share prices to compound along the way. He discusses the changing nature of the businesses that qualify and what gives him the confidence to back maverick founders. Other topics he covers in conversation with managing editor Malcolm Borthwick include lessons from the pandemic and the growth companies that most excite him today.
Resources:
The changing face of growth
Four cardinal questions for growth investors
Mark Urquhart’s LinkedIn page
1599: A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare
Past podcasts
Timecodes:
00.00 Introduction
1:20 Joining Baillie Gifford in the pre-Google era
03:45 An evolving attitude to growth companies
05:20 Looking for stronger compound growth
06:35 Investing in Microsoft
08:00 The quest for companies like Hermès
09:55 Learning to be open-minded in Japan
12:10 The importance of mavericks
13:40 How Tesla hit its targets
14:40 Investing in times of crisis
17:35 What the Covid pandemic teaches growth investors
23:05 Today’s most exciting growth companies
25:15 Book recommendation
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Companies mentioned include:
Alphabet (Google)
Apple
ASML
Dexcom
Don Quijote
Hermès
MercadoLibre
Microsoft
Netflix
Peloton
SpaceX
Tesla
Stuart Dunbar explains why a long-term investment approach suits the new types of growth companies that are emerging.
Background:
It’s been five years since Baillie Gifford launched its ‘actual investors’ campaign. It focuses on the firm’s long-term, active approach to growth.
In this episode, the effort’s mastermind Stuart Dunbar joins Malcolm Borthwick to take stock and explain why actual investing is more relevant than ever. As he explains, capital-intensive companies are seeking to transform healthcare, transport and entertainment, among other industries, and they need patient, supportive shareholders to fulfil their potential and deliver strong returns.
Resources:
Actual investors
Let’s talk about actual investing
Baillie Gifford’s investment beliefs
The Premonition by Michael Lewis
The Economics of Fund Management by Ed Moisson
The Golfer’s Journal
Timecodes:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 What is Actual investing?
3:30 Finding great companies
4:20 Investing with autonomy and conviction
6:10 Growth investing
8:00 Companies harnessing technology
9:10 The next decade of growth
12:00 Health innovation
14:45 Interest rates and inflation
19:00 Stress testing portfolios
21:15 Guarding against group think
22:30 Book recommendations
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Companies mentioned include:
Amazon
Apple
ASML
Moderna
Netflix
Samsung
TSMC
To mark the pioneering Trust’s anniversary, James Dow delves into SAINTS’ origins and explains how he helped reinvigorate it for a new age.
Background:
The Scottish American Investment Company (SAINTS) made its debut in 1873, introducing the first trust to prevent shareholders from facing ruin if a business they backed failed. This groundbreaking approach instilled confidence, paving the way for the public to invest in a vital US railway among other enticing overseas opportunities.
Nearly 20 years ago, Baillie Gifford took over the Trust’s management. Joint manager James Dow helped revitalise SAINTS by focusing on exceptional income-driven global companies. As he tells podcast host Malcolm Borthwick, their activities range from making AI-enhanced factory cameras to creating some of the world’s most sought-after cosmetics.
Resources:
The Scottish American Investment Trust Company
Order a copy of the SAINTS: 150 Years book
SAINTS Manager Insights video, April 2023
The SAINTS approach webinar video, March 2023
Shoemaker by Reebok founder Joe Foster
My Years at Volkswagen by Carl Hahn
Baillie Gifford’s Trust magazine
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Companies mentioned include:
Analog Devices
Atlas Copco
Cognex
L'Oréal
Keystone Positive Change’s Kate Fox on thinking about the world in 2050 to spot opportunities today.
Kate’s conversation with Malcolm Borthwick covers her work with the Deep Transitions Futures project, coordinated by the University of Sussex and Utrecht University and supported by Baillie Gifford.
The project aims to identify patterns and insights from past ‘deep transitions’, such as the Industrial Revolution, to inform and guide our approach to identifying solutions to present and future challenges. These include climate change, social inequality, and biodiversity loss. The initiative seeks to develop strategies for fostering radical innovation. It engages investors, policymakers and researchers, among other stakeholders, to promote a transformative investment philosophy and drive systemic change.
Resources:
The second deep transition: Johan Schot’s theory of radical change
Deep Transitions Futures project
Previous Short Briefings on Long Term Thinking episodes
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Companies mentioned include:
Beyond Meat
Deere
Northvolt
Tesla
Umicore
Meet the lesser-known niche players thriving in the shadow of the country’s big brands
Think of Japanese companies and chances are giants such as Sony, Hitachi and Mitsubishi come to mind. You probably don't think of Shima Seiki - a maker of automated knitting machines, Descente, which owns licences to use brands such as Le Coq Sportif and Umbro, or Shoei, a maker of handmade motorcycle helmets. But these kinds of companies are the beating heart of its economy. Japan’s three and a half million small and medium-sized businesses (SMEs) employ about seven in 10 private sector workers. These firms are sometimes overlooked by investors in Japan, but not by Praveen Kumar, manager of Baillie Gifford Shin Nippon, who explains why they provide ample opportunities for growth investors.
Praveen Kumar is manager of the Baillie Gifford Shin Nippon and Baillie Gifford Japan Trust. You can read more about his and his colleagues’ thoughts about the positive outlook for Japan’s most inventive and disruptive companies at our Japan Forum: Steering through rough seas. For the thoughts of his colleague Donald Farquharson, Head of Japanese Equities, on the country’s post-Covid return to normality, go to Investing in Japan: Distance lends perspective. And to find out more about how Praveen and his team get to hear about exciting SMEs, watch Investing in Japan: Insights with our Japan researchers.
As many question the future of growth investing, the American Fund’s Dave Bujnowski explores the new engines powering progress.
Why ‘what if…?’ is the most vital question an investor can ask. Kirsty Gibson of the Baillie Gifford US Growth Trust explains.
It’s a small country with a large number of businesses that can keep innovating and growing for decades. Stephen Paice explores what’s so great about Sweden.
Apps and online courses have upended the economics of education, making learning more accessible, fun and relevant. Positive Change’s Thaiha Nguyen explains.
For Peter Singlehurst, head of the Private Companies Team, the difference between investing in a private company and a public company is that private companies choose their shareholders. So, why choose Baillie Gifford?
‘Growth or value’ has framed many investment narratives. But Monks’ Malcolm MacColl explains the two aren’t at odds.
Over four decades Japan has seen 21 prime ministers come and go. Exporters such as Toyota and Toshiba have flourished but the country has also struggled with debt and deflation. Matthew Brett, manager of The Baillie Gifford Japan Trust, discusses what’s next.
Chaos is often associated with a failure of leadership. Gary Robinson, manager of Baillie Gifford US Growth Trust, argues that the best bosses don’t resist disorder but channel it to create ‘chaordic organisations’ in which innovation thrives.
Are your investments as good for the environment and society as you think they are? Stuart Dunbar, partner at Baillie Gifford, explains why too many people have been lulled into a false sense of security by metrics-based approaches to ESG that don’t support the transition to a more sustainable society.
Messenger RNA vaccines could provide a solution not just to Covid, but to cancer, and other diseases. Julia Angeles, co-manager of Baillie Gifford’s Health Innovation Fund, discusses how.
Karma Chameleon topped the charts, Mrs Thatcher won a landslide and Monks’ manager Charles Plowden joined Baillie Gifford. 1983 was a year to remember. Charles reflects on what’s changed and looks at the investment opportunity to come.
Are there limits to economic growth? Will we run out of ideas? Investment manager Lee Qian explains why he’s confident innovation will create a more prosperous, sustainable and inclusive world.
With the high street either shut down or harder to access during the pandemic, consumer habits had to change. Moritz Sitte, joint manager of the Baillie Gifford European Growth Trust and the European Fund, explores what this means for the future of shopping.
China has defied recession in 2020, but where to now? Investment manager Roderick Snell anticipates big things ahead.
More of us are living longer, staying healthier for longer and working for longer. What are the implications for investing and financing this longer life? Listen to Baillie Gifford’s Steven Hay to find out.
Income investing has been shaken by the coronavirus, but how will this affect the dividend payers of the future? Baillie Gifford investment manager James Dow gives us a glimpse of the potential star performers of tomorrow.
Over the last decade the investment industry has become increasingly short term and increasingly complex. Stuart Dunbar talks to Malcolm Borthwick about whether the industry has lost its way.
Growth stocks have been more resilient during the coronavirus downturn. Tom Slater discusses why now is not the time to hunt for value stocks and accelerated digital disruption.
These are turbulent times for investors. Scott Nisbet shares what he has learnt from previous crises and talks about why now’s the time to read Albert Camus.
Investing in emerging markets is like marmite. It divides opinion. Charles Plowden explains why he’s one of the optimists.
Investment manager, Praveen Kumar explains why the Japanese cosmetics industry is in a period of rapid growth and how it could be set to continue for the long term.
Stephen Paice looks beyond the negative economic headlines to explore the exciting investment opportunities that are still to be found in Europe.
From disrupting global telecoms to colonies on Mars, space enthusiast and investment manager Luke Ward looks at the potential prizes in the commercial race for space.
From synthetic spider silk clothes to plant-based burgers that taste like meat, Kirsty Gibson is fascinated by how industrial biotech could transform nearly every aspect of our lives.
Milena Mileva on how profound changes in consumer behaviour are changing the retail landscape both online and in bricks-and-mortar stores.
Lucy Isles, who’s been both a bond and an equity investor, looks at the differences and the similarities between the two.
James Dow challenges the conventional wisdom that if you’re investing for a regular income you should stick with blue chip UK companies.
What’s really happening in the Chinese economy? Pacific Fund manager Roddy Snell gets behind the headlines.