The Good and Basic Podcast: Better and More Complex: Recent Episodes

Joseph Fisher

A long form conversation about the projects we do and why we do them, featuring Joseph and Joseph. Common themes include civic education, practical philosophy, premodern history and practices, and small-scale manufacturing. Check out our Youtube channel at youtube.com/goodandbasic Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/goodandbasic/support

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In which the Josephs offer some thoughts about what gratitude means, what it does to you, and how relates to the ethic of self-reliance.  

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Flight From the City by Ralph Borsodi

This book follows the Borsodi Family in their experiments in domestic production, living on a homestead in the 1920s, and it is one of the most wholesome explanations of the virtues of making more of what you use yourself that you are likely to find. Touting both the economic security that the Borsodi family enjoyed on their homestead in the midst of the Great Depression and the increased standard of living made possible by garden fresh food (including the best homemade ice-cream), Borsodi lays out the case for home production as a way out of society's greatest insecurities and also a way forward to a life that not only has less of the bad, but more of the good things in life.

A key moment from the book:

" In the summer of 1920--the first summer after our flight from the city--Mrs. Borsodi began to can and preserve a supply of fruits and vegetables for winter use. I remember distinctly the pride with which she showed me, on my return from the city one evening, the first jars of tomatoes which she had canned. But with my incurable bent for economics, the question "Does it really pay?" instantly popped into my head. Mrs. Borsodi had rather unusual equipment for doing the work efficiently. She cooked on an electric range; she used a steam-pressure cooker; she had most of the latest gadgets for reducing the labor to a minimum. I looked around the kitchen, and then at the table covered with shining glass jars filled with tomatoes and tomato juice. "It's great," I said, "but does it really pay?" "Of course it does," was her reply. "Then it ought to be possible to prove that it does--even if we take into consideration every cost--the cost of raw materials, the value of the labor put into the work yourself, the fuel, the equipment." "

The shocking result of this experiment was that Mrs. Borsodi was actually outcompeting the leading canning companies by 30% in her home kitchen. This led Mr. Borsodi to an in-depth study of the areas where producing things at home not only resulted in a better product, but where it also was simply more economical as well.


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In which JF and JB discuss why homesteading surges after economic shocks and the different forms post-Corona homesteading could take. Apologies for some echo in the audio.

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In addition to being my (JB's) mom, Linda Bjork is the author of several books including Crushed, Pathway to Happiness, 30 Days to Alleviate Depression, and Beauty in Art. She runs a podcast called Linda's Corner, and a blog called Two Good Things. She is also the founder and executive director of Hope for Healing, a non-profit organization designed to help people heal and live joyfully. ___________________________________________________

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In which we begin with Polynesian carved canoes and end up with cathedrals. Our conversation is quite the trip, but still not as impressive as the Polynesians who navigated across the ocean with no land in sight and no known destination.

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In which JB and JF celebrate JB joining the faculty of a small college  in the wilderness by talking about higher education in general--what is  it good for, how can you extract the best out of it, and what could be  done to make it better?  We cover a lot of ground, but when it comes to  education there's always more to tackle and we'll likely be back soon.    

Education playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRx_pCwmvYY&list=PLPXAOUDhQDCqbEPq8tkun91li7_78UCPE    

Videos where John Boyd is mentioned:  

To Be Or To Do?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LndwoEYZEU

Writing And Survival  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxnHImj0Jrs&t=1s   

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In which JB interviews Dr. Shanon Brooks about the founding of Monticello College and its philosophical foundation. Dr. Brooks co-founded George Wythe College previous to his involvement with Monticello College and has decades of experience in teaching, inspiring, and mentoring the next generations.

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Dr. Brooks' book "American," referenced in the podcast can be found here: https://www.monticellocollege.org/Sto...

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In which JF and JB spend a full hour clobbering each other repeatedly with philosophic 2x4s regarding which motorcycle book (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance or Shop Class as Soulcraft) is truly superior. Actually, the goal was understanding, but that was frankly hard enough to work towards and it's possible that the more blunt and less elegant 2x4 may have been occasionally used. Give a listen and weigh in on the conversation.

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In which JB and Jack K. discuss law school, guardian ad litem, and the sanctity of the courts in their role of balancing rights.  

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In which we spend some time reflecting on how to find out if mushrooms  kill you, plus even more time going meta to ask what the channel is all  about.  

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In which we discuss the legendary OODA loop, the fact that  podcasts/audiobooks might be as big a deal as the Gutenberg press, and more on the ancient progymnasmata.  

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In which we talk about the archaeological game of interpretation, particularly the fact that it works from an incomplete dataset, the difficulty of figuring out what archaeological objects really mean, and why you can and should play the archaeological game of interpretation.

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Maya to Aztec: Ancient Mesoamerica Revealed: https://amzn.to/33mvTb1

Lost Worlds of South America: https://amzn.to/2VyIC7M

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In which we briefly talk about the archaeological game of  interpretation, before segueing into a discussion about dissolving mos  maiorum and what to do about it.  Mostly we are crushingly morose, but  we do come up with a couple good ideas.  

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In which we sit down with Lloyd from Lindybeige on Hadrian's wall and discuss Roman archaeological sites, agriculture, fourth-generation warfare, and more.  A very eclectic episode, not unlike Lloyd's channel itself.  A big thank you to Lloyd for meeting up with us!  Apologies for the poor audio quality, including but not limited to sheep baa-ing in the background, as well as the fact that video was not recovered for the full interview.  It's also worth noting that this podcast was actually recorded in May of 2019.  If you've never checked out Lindybeige, do yourself a favor and check it out now: https://www.youtube.com/user/lindybeige/featured

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In which we start by talking about beef jerky and end up talking about alternative medicine.  What combines both?  Something like the tension between general patterns of knowledge and particular experience.  Apologies for any small errors in the audio.

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In which JF and JB reminisce about their own individual experiences with martial arts, muse on what martial arts are good for, and give their favorite martial arts movie recommendations.

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Hagakure (Book of Samurai Proverbs): https://amzn.to/2Qg7jad

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In which we muse about the dearth of good bread in America, the enduring value of grains as a food source, how to measure temperatures without a thermometer, and more.

If you're visiting from the TKOR collab, make yourself at home here.  You may be interested in our previous adventures with rye in this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAtFAjVhlY&list=PLPXAOUDhQDCqrSpiszNdjdxWiMu7mL_PH

We harvest more rye, thresh it with a leaf shredder, and lots of other stuff besides.  Thanks for watching, and thank you to the TKOR team for working with us! 

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We return after 3 weeks off the channel to recount the tales of our adventures.  JF explains why Thoreau wasn't actually trying to do a survival camp at Walden pond and JB synthesizes liberal arts education with farming.  It's great to be back!  Apologies for any small errors that may exist in editing.

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Shop Class As Soul Craft: https://amzn.to/2XnThGG

The One Straw Revolution (Masanobu Fukuoka): https://amzn.to/2ZLyn4A

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In which we cap off last week by talking a little bit more about the origins of rhetoric and why it is so powerful.  Unfortunately we weren't able to record as long of a podcast as we might like, but consider this a teaser for future content.

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This is the book where I first found the phrase logos politikos.  It's an excellent collection of essays about Greek rhetoric (Amazon affiliate link:) https://amzn.to/2YH1PZ7

This volume contains two of Isocrates' most important works, Antidosis and Against the Sophists

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In which we talk about how risk is the dark face of randomness and how courageous, conscious living is the answer.

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In which we lay out a manifesto for cottage industrialism while galloping through Karl Marx, Ayn Rand, Jordan B. Peterson, G.K. Chesterton, and Hilaire Belloc.  It's an exhilarating ride with lots of interesting side quests--we think you'll enjoy it.

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In which we reminisce about a two-day survival camp we attempted ten years ago, and how it compared to our night in Sherwood Forest.  Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance comes up, as does Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive.  We also spend a bit more time on Robin Hood's chaotic good alignment.

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In which we start by talking about the rye harvest and end by talking about neo-Luddism.

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In which we look through the various perspectives of last week's videos to try to answer the question of what makes good or bad technology.  This week's discussion is a little like punching a giant marshmallow again and again...it's not clear how much progress you're making, but isn't it kind of fun anyway?

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In which we have a conversation with Dr. Patrick Curry about Tolken and enchantment. Dr. Curry's academic interests range far and wide, but here his work on Tolkien, enchantment, and ecology come to the fore. We discuss his preference for the term "ecology" instead of "environment," the metaphysics of objects and subjects, and how to do technology right.

You can find out more about Dr. Curry's work at patrickcurry.co.uk

Dr. Curry is also the editor of the Ecological Citizen, a peer-reviewed ecocentric journal, which you can find here: https://www.ecologicalcitizen.net/

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In which we answer your questions in our first ever livestream.  Thanks  to all who participated!  And thank you, as always, for your support. 

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In which we ponder the fact that bone adzes do the same job that bronze adzes do, and why you have to believe that fire works in order for fire to work.  Videos covered include our smelting project with Neil Burridge and bronze casting with Will Lord--very fun projects to revisit for our podcast.

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In which we revisit a couple videos from last week and preview a particularly awesome one going up this week.  What's so cool about bowl carving, pole lathing, or skinning a deer with a rock?  The fact that you can do them without being an expert.  We muse about this and about the distance between experts and amateurs and why you should try to do these things yourself--while managing to invoke a couple of our favorite books on crafts and philosophy (see Amazon Affiliate links below).  Exactly one deer was harmed (indirectly) in the production of this podcast; rocks and carving tools not included in this digital format.

Shop Class As Soul Craft:  https://amzn.to/2EYZm10

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:  https://amzn.to/2Xwek64

Review of ZAMM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VCcFJN8dTs&t=19s

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In which we recap our recent trip to Europe (where we did everything from camp in Sherwood forest to visiting a scalable plastic recycling facility) and draw out a couple of important themes, including the ways we saw our heroes on the trip and how to weight the value of the good (ethics) against the value of the true/real (epistemology/metaphysics).  If you'd like more about our trip, check the Youtube channel soon for videos we filmed (youtube.com/goodandbasic and listen to our bonus podcast episode recorded during our trip at anchor.fm/goodandbasic

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This is a special podcast episode recorded in a car on our recent trip to Europe where we sum up the first week of our trip and offer some reflections.  The audio quality is not great but the thoughts are pretty interesting.  If you'd like to know more about what we did on our trip and what it all means, see our regular podcast episode (in better quality too) at anchor.fm/goodandbasic.  If you enjoyed the podcast, consider checking out our project videos at youtube.com/goodandbasic.

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In which we build on our good grades/bad grades videos and talk about our respective educations, the high school where we met, and how to get a good education.  You can also check out our project videos at youtube.com/goodandbasic


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JB is writing a paper for his law class--are courtrooms a more  appropriate technology for making laws than legislatures?  The answer is  often yes, albeit with some important exceptions.  We also invoke  Godel's theorem--not for the first time, not for the last time either.  You can also check out our project videos at youtube.com/goodandbasic


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Smelting, textiles, grain milling, scythes--what do these all have in  common?  All of these projects help us understand appropriate  technology--roughly, technology that satisfies a wider spectrum of  values than economic "efficiency."  We also talk about why we can often  look to the past to find these technologies, the fact that they often  appear to be "low-tech," and some common characteristics of appropriate  technologies.  You can also check out our project videos at youtube.com/goodandbasic


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JF just defended his Master's thesis, and the topic was a doozy: Is  President Trump like an internet troll?  We explore this question while  trying to remain agnostic "political Martians" (Dan Carlin style).  No  matter what your opinion is on Trump, we think you'll find the  conversation thought-provoking and insightful.  We also update you on  current projects and talk a little bit about the thesis defense. 


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We return to the podcast to explore the connection between three videos  we made: playing the Royal Game of Ur, visiting Rob's 3d printing lab,  and Chesterton's Fence.  Amazingly, there is a connection--all three  have to do with how to approach the problem of incomplete information.  You can also check out our project videos at youtube.com/goodandbasic.


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This podcast is a companion to our Youtube channel, youtube.com/goodandbasic.   In this first episode we talk about the chemical process of smelting and  our six-year history trying to turn dirt into metal.  We also talk  about the lessons we think you can learn from smelting--primarily  gratitude and a sense of self-reliance. 


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