The Something Forum: Recent Episodes
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The Something Forum is a podcast presenting thought leadership, inspiration, guidance, and relatable conversations about digital innovation and transformation in the nonprofit sector. Our goal is to talk with nonprofit leaders candidly about the good, bad, challenging, and inspiring parts of their work, so together we can learn something about this unique space.
In our final episode with Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson, we discuss what’s giving her hope and what resolutions she’s set in the new year. We also talk about her time in the military and how that helped her learn to build communities wherever you might be.
She also talks about how excited she is for new, young nonprofits joining the industry, and the ways in which they are innovating.
- Learn more about Digital Promise
- Learn more about Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson
- Digital Promise Micro-credential Platform
- Learn more about Digital Promise's credentialing work via Digital Promise's blogs
- Learn more about the Digital Promise Micro-credentials Program
- Explore Digital Promise's research reports
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In this episode, Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson addresses the ethics of data collection. She talks about how demographic data is often not necessary for the work you’re doing, and can pose risks to historically and systematically excluded learners in many ways.
She also speaks on the importance of clear and succinct communication, and its importance in an inclusive culture.
- Learn more about Digital Promise
- Learn more about Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson
- Digital Promise Micro-credential Platform
- Learn more about Digital Promise's credentialing work via Digital Promise's blogs
- Learn more about the Digital Promise Micro-credentials Program
- Explore Digital Promise's research reports
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our second episode with Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson, we discuss the importance of keeping user’s data secure, and only collecting the essential information needed for the credential they’re seeking.
She tells us about how Digital Promise uses pilot studies and other research methods to refine their credential offerings. She also remarks on keeping an equity mindset in your research, and the importance of compensation for the individuals who participate in it.
- Learn more about Digital Promise
- Learn more about Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson
- Digital Promise Micro-credential Platform
- Learn more about Digital Promise's credentialing work via Digital Promise's blogs
- Learn more about the Digital Promise Micro-credentials Program
- Explore Digital Promise's research reports
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our first episode of 2024, Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson tells us about her work with digital credentialing, the importance of considering accessibility from the start of a project, and keeping the historically and systematically excluded users at the center of your work.
She also tells us about the importance of building a culture of feedback within our teams, and finding respectful ways to critique your peers.
- Learn more about Digital Promise
- Learn more about Dr. Rita Fennelly-Atkinson
- Digital Promise Micro-credential Platform
- Learn more about Digital Promise's credentialing work via Digital Promise's blogs
- Learn more about the Digital Promise Micro-credentials Program
- Explore Digital Promise's research reports
A transcript of this episode is available on the episode page on Simplecast, or as a Google Document.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
Welcome to season 2 of The Something Forum! New episodes launch on January 9th!
Learn more about Echo&Co.
Learn more about The Something Forum.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we take a look back at our first season.
Play this game with your teams to kick off innovation in 2024!
Let us know what you want to hear on season 2 of The Something Forum!
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The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we're bringing you a quick episode to tell you about the playlist we put together for nonprofit leaders to enjoy in the new year!
The Season 1 PlaylistListen on Spotify
- "Mindful Solutionism" by Aesop Rock
- "Driftwood" by Moody Blues
- "Dreams" by The Cranberries
- "Shenandoah" by Westminster Choir
- "Can't Hardly Wait" by The Replacements
- "Dear Future Me" by Little King
- "Better Place" by *NSYNC
- "You Are Not Alone" by Mavis Staples
- "Falling Faster" by Andrew Ripp
- "Working On A World" by Iris DeMent
- "Changes" by Joy Oladokun
- "Brain" by Kara Jackson
- "Golden Years" by David Bowie
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we welcome Bill Brown. He'll tells us a bit about Tarot, and walk us through a reading that builds a story.
- Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom: A Tarot Journey to Self-Awareness by Rachel Pollack
- Between the Worlds Podcast (formally Strange Magic)
- Blinkest app
- Headspace app
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we welcome Catherine Smyka (they/them) to talk about the books that give them joy.
Books that Catherine mentioned:
- Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe by Fannie Flagg
- The Enneagram
- Where the Crawdads Sing by Delia Owens
- Getting Along: How to Work With Anyone by Amy Gallo
Nonfiction recommendations from the Echo&Co team and friends of the podcast:
- Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman
- Switch: How to Change Things When Change Is Hard by Chip & Dan Heath
- Atlas of the Heart: Mapping Meaningful Connection and the Language of Human Experience by Brené Brown
- Naming the World: And Other Exercises for the Creative Writer edited by Bret Anthony Johnston
- Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking by Susan Cain
- Inspired: How to Create Tech Products Customers Love by Marty Cagan
- Escaping the Build Trap: How Effective Product Management Creates Real Value by Melissa Perri
- Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions by Dan Ariely
- Rework by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson
- The Speed of Trust: The One Thing that Changes Everything by Stephen M.R. Covey
- Stillness is the Key by Ryan Holiday
- Under the Hood: Fire Up and Fine-Tune Your Employee Culture by Stan Slap
- Digital Transformation Playbook: Rethink Your Business for the Digital Age by David Rogers
- The Invention of Yesterday: A 50,000-Year History of Human Culture, Conflict, and Connection by Tamim Ansary
- Feel it Out: The Guide to Getting in Touch with Your Goals, Your Relationships, and Yourself by Jordan Sondler
Fiction recommendations from the Echo&Co team and friends of the podcast:
- The Imperial Radch Trilogy by Ann Leckie
- In the Lives of Puppets by Tj Klune
- Such a Fun Age by Kiley Reid
- Nevada by Imogen Binnie
- My Sister, the Serial Killer by Oyinkan Braithwaite
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we talk about the tech we use for our work that we're most thankful for!
Tech we're thankful for:
- Miro
- Google Suite
- Libby
- SEMrush
- TGE Dev
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we offer up some tips for digital fundraising during Giving Tuesday!
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
For the rest of 2023, we're bringing you short, fun episodes featuring the things we love! This week, we talk about what it means to be a B Corp, and why we are one!
B Corps we love:
- Tony's Chocolonely
- Cotopaxi
- Bookshop.org
- East Fork Pottery
- Gardner's Supply Company
- Bombas
- Lubanzi Wines
- Greyston Bakery
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This week, we give you some insight into what's to come for the rest of our episodes in 2023.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month we're turning the spotlight on our Echo&Co colleagues. During this episode, we talk with Stephen Musgrave, partner and founder at Capellic, a close partner agency to Echo&Co. Stephen talks to us about how to use technology and empathy to find ways to build connections. He also talks about how to approach communication in a way that helps an individual deepen their understanding of the conversation.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month we're turning the spotlight on our Echo&Co colleagues. During this episode, we talk with Anna Kassinger, Program Strategy Director, about the intersection of content and digital transformation. She talks us through what it's like to work with an agency on digital strategy, and how an outlook of wild success can help your team reach its goals.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month we're turning the spotlight on our Echo&Co colleagues. During this episode, we talk with Peter Sax, Partner and CTO. He tells us about his journey from music school to becoming a developer, and what he feels is a major misconception of the developer role. He also gives us some tips on collaborating with developers to find success in your projects. We also talk about solving big tech problems, AI, and how young people are giving him hope.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month we're turning the spotlight on our Echo&Co colleagues. During this episode, we talk with Kimiko Tanaka Vecchione about building up her team, how she approaches hiring, and her thoughts on hiring folks with less traditional backgrounds. She also tells us about her theory on leadership, building a culture of understanding among her team, and how her colleagues relate to the nonprofit space.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month we're turning the spotlight on our Echo&Co colleagues. During this episode, we talk with Sarah Boison Reynolds about using digital tools for community building and advancing your mission. We also discuss the importance of self care when working in a nonprofit, and how engaging in creative pursuits can help you be of service to yourself, particularly for those who are often of service to others.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our final episode, Zenitta tells us about how her career growth and the career growth of others is giving her hope right now. She also talks about how her children, husband, and all of her family is giving her hope as well. She also talks about how to be a change agent, how to be vulnerable in spaces where it isn't always easy to be, and the questions nonprofits should be asking right now. Lastly, Zenitta gives us a sneak peek into the most shocking class she took in mortuary school.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our third episode with Zenitta, we talk about her 3 Ts of digital transformation: Time, talent, and technology. She gives us tips on how to make digital transformation successful, and advice on what to do when you aren't brought into a project at quite the right time. She also gives us some insight into the conferences she likes to attend, and other ways she seeks professional development.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our second episode with Zenitta Anderson, we discuss her empathetic leadership style and how she built up her skills in empathy. She also tells us about her thoughts on emotional intelligence and the benefit of being able to read people’s body language. She gives women advice on how to handle being the only woman in a room, and how listening is as important as contributing in those situations.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our first episode with Zenitta Anderson, we talk about her career journey from being a temp, to attending mortuary school, and to finally arriving in the c-suite. We explore how her personal philosophy and practices in leadership have begun to impact those around her, and how a culture of trust can help to build a strong and effective team. We also talk about how she uses empathy and questions to ensure clear communication.
- Read The Speed of Trust by Stephen M. R. Covey
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In this bonus episode of The Something Forum, we talk with Julia Ford about her tools for success, the current state of social media, and the importance of in-person connections. We also discuss how to successfully make space for groups of people to come together, build community, and share ideas.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our final episode with Apollo, we talk about how AI and LLM is giving him hope, the most influential forces throughout his life and career, and how he keeps balance in his life. He also tells us about the importance of nonprofits being inclusive, how he finds joy in being a mentor, and why he wants everyone to strive to master foundational strategies, rather than individual tools.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our third episode with Apollo, we talk about the importance of finding the right things to measure without drowning in data, having unexpected, positive results of a marketing campaign, and how to move the needle on a mission. He also tells us his favorite question he gets from clients, and the question that makes him cringe.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our second episode with Apollo Gonzales, he tells us about his journey into local government. We also talk about his experience as a first-generation college student and imposter syndrome. Apollo tells us about how being voluntold to present in front of a crowd helped him find his voice, and why he continued to present at every opportunity he could after that. We also begin discussing diversity, equity, and inclusion in digital advocacy, and holding yourself accountable to DEI standards.
In our first episode with Apollo Gonzales, he tells us about his history in the nonprofit space, starting as a wilderness therapy counselor where he had a transformative experience that directed him to advocacy and policy work. He talks about the road to digital advocacy and activism, ethics in the digital space, the importance of speaking up and making room for others to speak, and the value of local civic engagement.
This month, we're rereleasing our episodes with Echo&Co Partner and CEO Graziella Jackson! Get to know, us, our work, and our leader a bit better!
In the final episode of the series with Graziella, she and Andy talk about the power of storytelling and how they can inspire belonging; how Harvard University lead a fun and inspiring Harvard.edu project; and how the work we do as social justice organizations is complex, long-term, and incredibly rewarding and meaningful.
This month, we're rereleasing our episodes with Echo&Co Partner and CEO Graziella Jackson! Get to know, us, our work, and our leader a bit better!
In part three, Andy and Graziella talk about the importance of a robust discovery phase; how fun and excitement can change a project’s direction; and what true innovation looks like.
Links from the episode:
- Switch by Chip Heath & Dan Heath
- Learn more about Graziella.
- Learn more about Echo&Co.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month, we're rereleasing our episodes with Echo&Co Partner and CEO Graziella Jackson! Get to know, us, our work, and our leader a bit better!
In part two of our series with Graziella Jackson, she and Andy talk about how she went from being a client to becoming a colleague at Echo&Co the biggest problem their team has solved in the last year; and how to help potential clients discover that true change and transformation requires more than a website redesign.
Links from the episode:
- Finding the Mother Tree: Discovering the Wisdom of the Forest by Suzanne Simard
- Learn more about Graziella.
- Learn more about Echo&Co.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This month, we're rereleasing our episodes with Echo&Co Partner and CEO Graziella Jackson! Get to know, us, our work, and our leader a bit better!
In this episode, Graziella and Andy talk about Graziella’s work as a playwright, what she does at Echo&Co, and what it means to be a social justice organization.
Links from the episode:
- The Wilting Point by Graziella Jackson
- Learn more about Graziella.
- Learn more about Echo&Co.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our final episode with Chrystal, she talks about how her family and friends are giving her hope, how impactful giving and receiving encouragement is, and how important it is to be your authentic self. She tells us about the best compliment she’s ever received, and what lessons she’s learned from her career that she wants to pass on.
- Learn more about Facing History and Ourselves
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In part three of our series with Chrystal, she discusses why she never assumes anyone’s intentions–positive or negative. She talks about meeting people where they’re at, and how everyone can grow during a project. She also talks about understanding the limitations of a project and a team, and focusing on the most important goals first.
- Learn more about Facing History and Ourselves
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our second episode with Chrystal, she takes us on a deep dive into her five core values: Legacy, learning and growth, fairness and justice, dignity, and grace and leadership. She talks about her career, and how it helped shape these values, and how those values now shape her approach to leadership and life.
- Learn more about Facing History and Ourselves
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our first part of our series with Chrystal, she tells us about her career journey, the core values that have driven her up to this point, and her love of learning through podcasts. She also discusses growth, productivity, and the importance of making sure you and those around you are seen and heard.
- Learn more about Facing History and Ourselves
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
This week, we have a guest host welcoming Andy VanderLinde, Bill Brown, Kimiko Tanaka Veccione, and Miranda Max, who talk about their experience at NTC2023, the nonprofit technology conference hosted by NTEN. The team made their way to Denver for the first hybrid NTC event since COVID-19. They talk about connections made, what they learned, what they presented, and what they took away from it.
- Learn more about NTC2023
- Check out NTEN
- Check out Andy, Bill, and Kimiko's presentation with Sam Johnson and Jessalyn Kiesa, "1,000 microsites? No prob. Affiliates expand reach with platform as a service" and download the presentation slides
- Check out Kimiko's presentation with Chrystal Koetch, "Leading digital change with empathy and confidence" and download the presentation slides
- Check out this presentation, "5 tips to make your marketing more accessible and inclusive" and learn more about the history of the word "stakeholder"
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our final part of our series with Andy Krackov, he talks to us about what makes him proud in his work, how data is giving him hope as we navigate a challenging political landscape, and how sketching can bring about mind-blowing visualizations. We also talk about how valuable storytelling becomes as data starts representing communities we are a part of.
- Learn more about Andy and Hillcrest Advisory
- Find free data solutions at Infogram, Datawrapper, and Flourish
- Blog Post: Dashboards are not Data Stories
- Check out KidsData
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In the third part of our series with Andy Krackov, he explains the different ways data can help solve your needs, and how those solutions can range in size and complexity. He also talks about thinking long-term with data, and the implications of data changing over time. He also discusses how he begins working with clients, how there are almost no situations that are a nonstarter for working with data, and how he helps those organizations with worries or roadblocks move past them.
- Learn more about Andy and Hillcrest Advisory
- Find free data solutions at Infogram, Datawrapper, and Flourish
- Blog Post: Dashboards are not Data Stories
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In this episode, Andy and Andy discuss the major roadblocks, challenges, and worries that arise when integrating data into your work, how roadmapping can help you develop a data practice, and what is surprising Andy Krackov in the data space now. They also talk about the big question of AI, its implications, and what it might bring up in the future. Andy Krackov also gives us some tips for nonprofits looking to use data within their organization’s storytelling.
- Learn more about Andy and Hillcrest Advisory
- Find free data solutions at Infogram, Datawrapper, and Flourish
- Blog Post: Dashboards are not Data Stories
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In part 1 of our series with Andy Krackov, Andy tells us about his background in communications and how that transformed into a career in data. He discusses the difficulties people might face when gathering, analyzing, and understanding data, as well as the range in scale for data projects. He talks us through using data to validate individual stories, and using individual stories to bring life to data.
- Learn more about Andy and Hillcrest Advisory
- Find free data solutions at Infogram, Datawrapper, and Flourish
- Blog Post: Dashboards are not Data Stories
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our final episode with Stephen, he discusses his hope for the future in upcoming election cycles and the future impact of Enterprise Community Partner. He shares his thoughts on preparing to meet challenge after challenge. He talks about identifying the work that is going right and how to scale it. Stephen also talks about how important it is to find people who will be honest in an effort to help you grow, and how to be that kind of person in the lives of others.
- Sign up to learn more about Enterprise Community Partners and their work.
- Check out the Enterprise Community Partners website.
- Learn more about the Low Income Housing Tax Credit.
- Check out PEN America's What to Expect campaign and Freedom to Write Index.
- Explore the healthcare healthcare database at Physicians for Human Rights.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our third episode with Stephen, we talk about how ambition is an important (and, at times, annoying!) piece of nonprofit work, and how watching people grow into those ambitious goals is incredibly rewarding. Stephen also talks about how vulnerability can have the biggest risks and the biggest rewards, what his most courageous thing to say would be, and how you can’t shame people into believing in your movement.
- Sign up to learn more about Enterprise Community Partners and their work.
- Check out the Enterprise Community Partners website.
- Learn more about the Low Income Housing Tax Credit.
- Check out PEN America's What to Expect campaign and Freedom to Write Index.
- Explore the healthcare healthcare database at Physicians for Human Rights.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In part two of our series, Stephen talks about what he names the most pressing domestic policy issue of our time: Housing. We discuss how housing is a fundamental building block in our country, how Enterprise Community Partners is tackling the housing issue, and what it would mean to be successful in the affordable housing space.
- Sign up to learn more about Enterprise Community Partners and their work.
- Check out the Enterprise Community Partners website.
- Learn more about the Low Income Housing Tax Credit.
- Check out PEN America's What to Expect campaign and Freedom to Write Index.
- Explore the healthcare healthcare database at Physicians for Human Rights.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our first part of our series with Stephen, we talk about his background in journalism, how he transitioned to nonprofits and never looked back. We chat about communicating the hard stuff without burning out or passing on trauma.
- Sign up to learn more about Enterprise Community Partners and their work.
- Check out the Enterprise Community Partners website.
- Learn more about the Low Income Housing Tax Credit.
- Check out PEN America's What to Expect campaign and Freedom to Write Index.
- Explore the healthcare healthcare database at Physicians for Human Rights.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our final episode with Aimee, we talk about how COVID camaraderie is helping us all connect as the world opens up again, how different types of mentorship and diverse mentors have impacted her career, and the importance of being fun at work and not taking things too seriously.
- Learn more about Easterseals
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In part three, Aimee explains why nonprofit funding can't just be Venmo, and why platforms built specifically for nonprofits aren't always the answer. She shares her approach to finding a ways of engaging critics so that they become your biggest supporters. We explore how to build relationships throughout the project process, and how to deepen them for long-term success.
- Learn more about Easterseals
- Learn about Psychopomp in The Way of Integrity by Martha Beck
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In the second part of our series with Aimee, we talk about the role of data to drive your decision-making and bringing stakeholders along in the conversation. We talk about looking to startups and the for-profit industry to inspire innovation and find ways to do things differently. We also talk about how finances tend to be a nonprofit's biggest struggle, and how to handle the idea of recession after a 2-year fundraising bump during COVID-19.
- Learn more about Easterseals
- A future guest told us about Hubspot for meeting scheduling. Check it out!
- You can check out Calendly too!
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In part one of our series with Aimee, we hear about her background in banking and transition to nonprofit work, and the many steps she took before landing at Easterseals. We also learn more about her podcast, small business, and humanitarian work, and how nonprofits can be truly nimble with the right funding structures.
- Learn more about Elysian Wellness
- Listen to Aimee’s podcast
- Learn more about S.H.I.P. at LSU
- Learn more about Easterseals
In the final episode of the series with Graziella, she and Andy talk about the power of storytelling and how they can inspire belonging; how Harvard University lead a fun and inspiring Harvard.edu project; and how the work we do as social justice organizations is complex, long-term, and incredibly rewarding and meaningful.
In part three, Andy and Graziella talk about the importance of a robust discovery phase; how fun and excitement can change a project’s direction; and what true innovation looks like.
In part two of our series with Graziella Jackson, she and Andy talk about how she went from being a client to becoming a colleague at Echo&Co the biggest problem their team has solved in the last year; and how to help potential clients discover that true change and transformation requires more than a website redesign.
Links from the episode:
- Finding the Mother Tree: Discovering the Wisdom of the Forest by Suzanne Simard
- Learn more about Graziella.
- Learn more about Echo&Co.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
In our first episode, Graziella and Andy talk about Graziella’s work as a playwright, what she does at Echo&Co, and what it means to be a social justice organization.
Learn more about Graziella.
Learn more about Echo&Co.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.
The music you hear in this episode is "Something about Something" by Sarah, The Instrumentalist.