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Britnee has gone through the egg donation process 4 times and she opens up and shares about her experiences and why she does it. From daily blood draws, shots, and minor surgery, it's not an easy task. She shares about how infertility affects 1 in 8 women so this is one way she can help.
What is it like to move to Utah, the land of Mormonism, as someone who is not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? In this episode, we chat with Michelle who has a positive spin on fitting in.
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Theme song by Johnny C. Leavitt
Have you ever wondered what it takes to earn the crown in a pageant? Is it like it looks in the movies? Maybe not exactly, but she did win Miss Congeniality. In this episode, Kadee tells us about choosing what to wear and how she chose talents that...weren't talents she necessarily had yet and also casually mentions how she worked in a graveyard.
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Theme song by Johnny C. Leavitt
We see them on the streets, we're always excited when they come to our houses, it's...Amazon delivery drivers. Joseph talks to us about some of the pros and cons to delivery driving, how to talk to dogs you run into, and why you should answer unknown numbers.
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Theme song by Johnny C. Leavitt
Jack opened up with us about his journey with gender identity as a non-binary trans person. We talk about the different ways we discover who we are, how we show up in the world, and how people can support their loved ones and themselves.
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Theme song by Johnny C. Leavitt
In this episode, we talk with Sophia who donated a kidney to a stranger. We talk about the process, the recovery, and why it was worth it.
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Theme song by Johnny C. Leavitt
Our hiatus is over and we're ready to chat again! In this episode we chat about how we spent this first half of 2023 investing in ourselves and why we think it's okay with making mistakes along the way.
...And also some things we love, of course! 'Tis the season, so we're talking about holiday traditions, memories, and more!
Sometimes the job you always thought you'd have doesn't end up being a good fit. How do you know when to quit? How do you know when it's time to move on? And how do you find that thing that does feel right? Courtney and James each tell their story of switching from the thing they always thought they'd do to the thing they love to do.
Interior design isn't just about choosing pillows or curtains you like. It can affect your mood, your coworker's mood, and so much more. Jenessa talks to us about her experience as a commercial and residential interior designer. Good design can save businesses money and knowing how to design your space can make a huge difference in your day-to-day life. We also talk about how to make decisions if you're living with someone who doesn't have the same style as you...without ruining relationships.
Tune into our 50th episode to hear what each of our guests wish people knew. It's a lot of life advice in 12 minutes and we hope it resonates with you.
LJ talks to us about the months she's spent grieving her partner and how she's learned that grief is absurd, it comes in sneaker waves, and it's proof of enduring love. We talk about art therapy, bringing piñata to grave sites, what not to say to someone who's grieving, and so much more. Thank you for being raw with us, LJ!
Topic Warning: Suicide and loss.
LJ posts about her journey with grief on Instagram: @life.afteralex
Work consumes at least 1/3 of your day so how do you set and maintain appropriate boundaries? We're still figuring it out, but Matt has some ideas. In this episode, he talks about signs to look for that indicate a job might be a good fit and the many things he's seen that don't work. Matt is a data master and marketing strategist with a knack for problem-solving.
Hilary brings her unique perspective to this episode by being raw and honest about how it felt to go from cutting off communication with her dad, to suddenly being his medical and financial power of attorney (and we explain a bit about what all that means), to shooting his ashes out of a canon. There's a lot to feel in this one, but you might find that sometimes facing things head-on makes the hard things a little easier...Plus, we talk about grief. Spoiler: Grief doesn't always come at once and dealing with it isn't linear.
From Little Mermaid to Mayor of a fully immersive fantasy theme park, Tannah has played many parts. We talk about what it's like on both sides of the casting call, how acting makes someone empathetic, whether it's more fun to play a hero or a villain, why onesies are an essential piece in one's wardrobe, and so much more in this episode. Tannah is the Assistant Director for Evermore Park and also spends time charming audiences throughout Utah.
Kristen talks about her own experiences and all the research she has done to better parent her biracial kids. How does it help to let the kids take the lead? How do you know when and how to stand up for your kids? How do you educate people about microaggressions? How do you help kids be themselves? We discuss all that and more in this episode.
To learn more from Kristen follow her podcast @mixed_podcast on Instagram.
Aubree's path shifted from war correspondent to living in a camper to mom of seven in just a few years. She didn't know what she was getting into but learned a lot along the way. We talk about why adoption needs to be about the child above all, why you should ask LOTS of questions, and why you should be really sure about what you're doing before you adopt.
You can follow Aubree on Instagram @2peasfrom2pods if you have more questions about adoption and you can follow us @LawsandGrace
What's it like to work at a Boy Scout camp as a 15-year-old girl? How do you run a summer camp? How does all that relate to being a campaign worker or working for a political party? All these questions AND MORE are answered in this episode.
Maire shares her personal experience deciding to become a therapist, what people can expect from therapy, how to find a therapist, what is EMDR, and more! We covered as many therapy basics as we could in this episode. If you are looking for a therapist in your area you can try searching on PsychologyToday.com
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Tess "TK Thrillz" Kelly has produced everything from live comedic television to viral videos. She was also one of Utah Valley Magazine's 40 Under 40. She gives us the inside scoop on what it means to be a producer as well as some fun stories from her life. Spoiler: She met (and confused) Jeff Goldblum. We're excited to be back with Season 3! Follow along on Instagram @LawsandGrace
Tess Photo by Jordan Bree Photography
Theme Music by Johnny Leavitt
At the end of each episode, we ask our guest "What do you wish people knew?" As a result, we've gathered some good advice and learned a lot. In this episode we recap some of the things we've learned and talk about what WE wish people knew.
What's in the stars for Laws and Grace? Kass explains to us what a birth chart is and gives us insights into ours. We talk about noticing patterns in our own lives as well as the universe.
Follow Kass @kassbradfordphotos and follow us @LawsandGrace.
As a chaplain, Jenna has led congregations in a high-security men's prison and comforted people in hospital beds. She recently helped open the door for women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to serve as military chaplains. We talked about the ups and downs of being a spiritual leader, how to unwind after a day at a high-stress job, and so much more in this episode.
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More about Jenna and her chaplaincy journey.
Aaron N. Hall gained a love of storytelling at a young age and spent most of his adolescence writing short stories, songs, poems, and his first novel. He's the author of The Wevlian Chronicles and My Name is Hammerfist. We chatted with him all about writing, building fantasy worlds, marketing his books, and self-publishing.
In honor of Mother's Day we sat down with each of our moms and talked everything motherhood. We talk about being a working mom, the ups and downs of childrearing, what it's like to watch your children struggle, not being perfect, and why no one should feel pressured to be a mom.
We know Mother's Day can be hard for some people and want to wish you a peaceful Mother's Day.
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This is an innocent episode featuring confessions of a wedding planner and venue owner, but it also has a TRUE CRIME moment. You will laugh, you will gasp, and you will be inspired by the words of Suzie. She has seen it all, from seeing sweet moments of love to inebriated acts of...passion. Plus, wedding planning tips and why flowers are important.
Collette shares her process of writing and releasing music and all the vulnerability that comes with it. We talk about what we love about her music and what it is like to write songs about (self) love and loss. Laws fangirls and Grace gets goosebumps in this episode, so we think you'll like it too.
Find Collette Astle on Instagram and TikTok @ColletteAstle and, of course, wherever you stream music.
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For years, Anna has studied perfectionism and the negative effects it has on us. She explores the topic in her podcast "Popping Perfectionism" and came on our podcast to talk to us about some of the things she's learned including how perfection keeps us from connection.
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It's just us again. What could have possibly changed since we chatted in November? Well, Laws broke her leg in three places, Grace bought a house and started a new job and we both learned a lot about how plans can change in a moment.
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Have you ever wondered what it’s like to be on a reality TV show? Nikki was on the latest season of Allt för Sverige (literally “Everything for Sweden”, but marketed in English as The Great Swedish Adventure). It’s a show meant to help Americans connect with their Swedish ancestry that has excursions to meaningful places in Sweden as well as puzzle challenges and elimination rounds.
Nikki talked to us about what it means to try and be authentic while on camera as well, how the contestants connected on and off screen, and gave us insights to the world behind the "reality."
Watch Nikki on the show here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x874hj2
Lauren tells us her own unique birth stories from home birth, to hospital, back to home birth and how she learned about her own body in the process. She also talks about living simply and how a circle of support can drastically impact our experiences and ability to succeed.
It's Women's History Month and International Women's Day on March 8th so we wanted to bring in one of the best women's advocates we know. Allison started a networking group for women that hosted events. Braid Workshops inspired women entrepreneurs to start businesses, meet their goals, and thrive. She opens up to us about what it's like to be a woman of color in the workplace and the variety of experiences she has had in different industries as well as running her own business.
Tessa tells us about climbing to the highest point on the Grand Teton even as people around her were turning back. Between the ice, the altitude, and 18-inch ledges it was quite the adventure. She talks about finding strength inside herself as well as calling on help from loved ones who had passed.
This episode contains PG-13 language in one section, on account of difficult rock climbing.
Jennifer's music has provided the soundtrack for many people's lives, including a gold medal Olympian. We chat about how music evokes emotion, creative writing processes, and the power of pursuing your passion.
Follow Jennifer on Instagram @JenniferThomasOfficial and follow us @LawsandGrace
Have you ever had a disagreement with a loved one? You're not alone. While Mallory uses examples from marriage relationships, this is a must-listen for anyone in any kind of relationship...aka everyone.
Get even more relationship advice on Instagram: @makemarriagework and follow the podcast @LawsandGrace!
Stacey is a comedian, health and fitness coach, and advocate for equality. We talk about how to be confident in the face of naysayers (whether in person or online) and a lot of other things like dating, Taco Bell, plants, and social media. If you want the kind of motivation only a spin instructor can provide, you'll want to tune into this episode!
He was an original cast member of BYUtv's Studio C, started a media company (JK! Studios), and has discovered that he gets the most of out of life when he's not only cracking jokes but working to make his community a better place for everyone. He not only works with local nonprofits like Equality Utah, but also spends his time creating and leading corporate trainings about racial and sexual diversity.
Sydney talks us through life as an opera singer, responding to criticism, moving to Canada, and tips for choosing and finding a career that fits your needs.
You can find her on social media (Instagram and TikTok): @sydneyfrodsham.
Melissa shares how she has come to love her story even though, at times, her story was anything but lovable. She has endured sexual abuse, spiritual manipulation, loss of relationships, and accidentally cutting off her fingers doing a hobby she loves. Despite a life full of difficulty, she has found meaning and self-compassion in her pain.
Learn more about Melissa's journey of self-compassion on Instagram @what.the.shiplap and follow us @LawsandGrace.
Your cohost Grace opens up about traveling the country with her husband in their 4x8 DIY camper trailer. We discuss owning your decisions, living intentionally, and creating a life you want. But what happens when, despite all your best efforts, the life you want will never be a reality? She talks about what she's learned from some of the challenges she's faced over the last few years and how they have helped her to better understand what grace actually means.
On her 32nd birthday Laws decided to try and fail instead of failing to try. In an attempt to overcome perfectionism, she decided to get rejected 32 times. It's inspired her to apply for and try things she's never tried before, from DJing a parade to applying for a Pride and Prejudice themed dating shows. It even partially inspired this podcast!
You can follow her journey by searching #32Rejections on TikTok and Instagram.
And don't forget to follow us on Instagram at @LawsandGrace.
Photo by Kass Bradford. New theme music by John C. Leavitt.
Happy Thanksgiving! Please enjoy a collection of gratitude stories submitted by our listeners.
What a season we've had! We wanted to talk about some of the things we've learned from all our amazing guests. Spoiler: we've learned A LOT.
Have you ever noticed someone who...wasn't really there? Or maybe they were? Or maybe you're not sure? This episode feature first-hand accounts of interactions with the unknown. Thanks to Candy Emmons, Emma Sorensen, Anna Hayes, Danny and Tessa Oldroyd, and everyone else who shared their stories!
Oof, imposter syndrome. How do you recognize it? How do you deal with it? Can you overcome it? Jase tells us about his work in the film industry and how he realized he needed to change some things.
Learn more about Jase's work at jasevanmeeteren.com
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We go deeper into our dating after divorce discussion with this episode. How do you "get over" a divorce? How do you keep it from affecting your new relationships? Find out what we tried and whether it's worked or not.
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This episode we talk to Grace's husband Andrew and we all offer our perspective on dating after divorce. That's right, we all get deep. From someone who is still dating after divorce, someone who got married again, and someone who hasn't been divorced but navigated dating someone who was we cover quite a bit. In fact, we chatted too long so this is a two-parter!
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Hannah is an artist, a person who cares about other people and the environment, a one-woman circus, and so much more. On this episode she tells us what's in the cards for us and for the podcast.
Visit us on Instagram @LawsandGrace to see the cards she pulled and follow her @pollyanna_marie for readings, thrifted and handmade goods, poetry, and other insights!
Have you been wondering how to connect with the people around you? How to be a better listener? How you can listen to understand? Justin talks about his own experiences learning to listen and teaches us a few tricks for being more empathetic.
Justin graduated law school in 2013 and started his own entertainment consulting business helping bands, filmmakers, actors, writers, drummers, and production companies and tech companies achieve success. He also is a musician and is currently the drummer for Mind Cell and The Normal Gray (which can be found on all streaming platforms).
Learn more about Justin at boghec.com and @justinbogh
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At age 54 Ronnie decided to leave behind his day job and pursue his passion for painting. We talk with him about not being afraid to explore your creative side and how art can be a form of meditation...among many other things.
See his work at https://www.ronniegenotti.com/
And get podcast updates on Instagram: @LawsandGrace
Tanei, the founder of Introducing Tomorrow, is an advocate for showing kids, especially girls, all the possibilities for their future. Her mindset shifted for herself when, while preparing for the birth of her child she started asking, "What are the options?" With her event, Provo Girls Summit, she has introduced 700+ girls to professionals from over 80 careers. We had a lovely chat about advocating for future generations and advocating for yourself.
Learn more about Tanei's organization at IntroducingTomorrow.com
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Headshot for this episode by Justin Hackworth.
We brought Carina on to talk about her 20 years of experience in content management and marketing, but ended up discussing that AND the best lipstick, how to be a good manager, why having good friends is important, and so much more. You're guaranteed to learn something new with this one!
Don't forget to give us a follow on Instagram for updates and to discuss the episodes: @LawsandGrace
When Mark got the invite from his brother-in-law Daniel to compete in the world's, longest, toughest snowmobile races, he had only been on a snowmobile a few times. What could go wrong, right? In this episode, Mark and Laura recount the stories of their time in Alaska as a family and participating in the Iron Dog Snowmobile Race. Hear what they have to say about saying yes to new opportunities and creating a life of abundance.
To learn more about the Iron Dog race visit: https://www.irondog.org/
Follow the Utah Yeti's as they prepare for the 2022 redemption run on Instagram and Facebook @irondog40
Did you know an ultramarathon can be more than 100 miles? Will has run races as long as 340 miles in temperatures as low as -30 or as high as 125 degrees. Is he crazy or is he just proof that humans can do hard things? In this episode, we discuss the full origin story of the marathon, training and nutrition, as well as what motivates someone to run races of epic extremes. Will is a world-class racer competing in events such as the Iditarod Trail Invitational, Hardrock 100, Ultra Trail Tour de Mt Blanc, Tor des Geants, and Badwater -- just to name a few. In just a few weeks, he'll be competing in the Spartathlon in Greece which retraces the footsteps of Pheidippides, an ancient Athenian long-distance runner, who in 490 BC was sent to Sparta to seek help in the war between the Greeks and the Persians. Even if running isn't your thing, there is so much in this episode that will leave you feeling inspired.
Aliens, UFOs, UAPs, no matter what you call them, there seems to be something out there. Mariana is a novel and television writer who just so happens to have a lot of thoughts on aliens and the final frontier. She helps us understand why exploring space is so meaningful along with the power of storytelling. This episode has a lot packed in, so give it a listen!
Follow Mariana on Twitter: @gmariana2010.
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Our fifth guest! It's a record for us. Libby talks to us about teaching first and fourth graders, why special ed shouldn’t be scary, and what it was like teaching during a pandemic…We also talk about our most embarrassing injuries.
Cindy opens up to us about how her brain works. First, she talks to us about her graduate thesis on the Harry Potter fandom and speaking at Comic Con. Then she talks to us about being on the autism spectrum and having OCD.
Trigger Warning: Suicide at 1:05:00-1:06:00.
Note: We had some technical difficulties on this one at the beginning, thanks Zoom, but it’s totally worth it!
You can follow Cindy on Instagram at @achandelierinpieces.
Dani talks about 'fits, fashion, and facing your fears. Plus, she teaches us a little bit about why it's been helpful for her to focus on body neutrality rather than body positivity.
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It's been a while since we've been able to chat with our friend Alyssa and we talk about everything from divorce and raising a newborn during a pandemic to favorite authors. Plus, are you Team Jess or are you wrong?
Give us a follow on Instagram @lawsandgrace to join the community and learn more about each of our guests.
We all need to learn more about disability accessibility and Emma was prepared with tips to help us out. Plus, she shares her humor and her passion for fashion. You can check out her own podcast "Will You Accept this Look?" and definitely give her a follow on Instagram @emma_anne_sorenson.
We're learning this podcasting thing as we go, thank you so much for listening! Give us a follow @lawsandgrace for more resources and to join the community of people being people!
Welcome to Episode 0. Who are we and why do we have a podcast? Find out on this episode. Basically, we're obsessed with stories and we're obsessed with people so we made a podcast to find out what is most important to people, document their stories, and learn to be more empathetic to the unique experiences of the people around us.
We don't know what we're doing, but we know that stories are powerful, and sharing them is important. Follow us on Instagram for even more content and updates: @lawsandgrace.