Out of the Mud: Recent Episodes
Marina Biggio
This is not just a podcast- it's a community for anyone interested in learning more about depersonalization/derealization disorder. Whether you are currently experiencing dissociation, have recovered, or are trying to support a loved one, there will be something here for you. Most of all this podcast is a reminder that you aren't alone in your experience. If you enjoy the show please subscribe, follow us on Instagram @otmthepodcast, and reach out if you'd like to be on the show! Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/marina-biggio/support
This episode is a continuation of my interview with Shaun O'Connor, a multi-award-winning filmmaker and writer from Ireland. He is the creator of The Depersonalization Manual which details his recovery from chronic depersonalization and provides a complete guide to recovery for sufferers of the condition. In this interview, Shaun tells the story of his experience of depersonalization and the things he's learned regarding how to best handle the condition.
Some other things we talk about are:
- The relationships between DPDR and weed
- DPDR and spirituality
- “Blank Mind Syndrome”
Learn About Intuitive Life Coaching with Marina
- The Depersonalization Manual
- Shaun O'Connor
- Coaching with Marina
- Song: Friend in My Head by Posie Pocket (unreleased at the time this episode was published) (Spotify) (Instagram) (TikTok)
- "The Mind, Explained" Anxiety on Netflix
- More resources from the show
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In this episode, I interview Shaun O'Connor who is a multi-award-winning filmmaker and writer from Ireland. He is the creator of The Depersonalization Manual which details his recovery from chronic depersonalization and provides a complete guide to recovery for sufferers of the condition. In this interview, Shaun tells the story of his experience of depersonalization and the things he's learned regarding how to best handle the condition.
We also talk about:
- The relationship between DPDR and anxiety
- What it’s like to lose hope and find it again
- Returning to normalcy after recovery
- How DPDR can affect diet
This interview is split into two episodes, Part 1 and Part 2.
- The Depersonalization Manual
- Shaun O'Connor
- Coaching with Marina
- "The Mind, Explained" Anxiety on Netflix
- More resources from the show
- Song: Depersonalization by Laurelia (YouTube) (Spotify) (Instagram)
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In this episode I have my mom (Jane) on the show again to continue our conversation from Episode 1 about my experience of depersonalization, this time talking about the metaphysical and spiritual phenomena that occurred alongside my recovery.
TRIGGER WARNING: Viewer discretion is advised as we discuss graphic details involving death during this episode.
During the episode we also discuss:
- Choosing to see magic and meaning in difficult life experiences
- Leaning into life and choosing to experience versus numb ourselves (to the extent that we have control of)
- Difficult questions like asking ourselves who we really are and why we’re here
- Feeling lost in life due to depersonalization
- Feeling an urgency to develop spiritual beliefs as a result of depersonalization
- A recap of my recovery experience and the spiritual and metaphysical phenomena such as past life healing, kundalini healing, and energetic entity encounters that followed
- What it feels like to feel like an alien having a human experience
Links to topics mentioned on the show: Kundalini: https://lonerwolf.com/kundalini-awakening/ Trager: https://www.massagetique.com/types/trager-approach/
If you would like to chat with Jane you can email her at janebiggio@gmail.com
More resources from the show: https://linktr.ee/mbiggio29 Song: Depersonalization by Laurelia https://open.spotify.com/track/47g5gA37TiSKInx60xbXKS
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In this short bonus episode I update the listeners on latest podcast developments and future plans for the show.
Learn more about Cosmic Marina LLC and services offered: https://linktr.ee/cosmicmarina or IG: cosmic_marina
Another DPDR Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dpdr-recovery/id1619729913
Theme Song: Depersonalization by Laurelia https://open.spotify.com/track/47g5gA37TiSKInx60xbXKS
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In this episode I interview Joe Perkins who is a musician and author of Life On Autopilot: A Guide to Living With Depersonalization Disorder. Throughout the episode we discuss:
- Joe’s experience of chronic depersonalization and writing his book during the pandemic
- The importance of spreading awareness of depersonalization
- Our thoughts on modern life, the pandemic, and technology in relation to depersonalization
- How to decide what to do with your life when you might not feel as inspired or motivated as you used to
- The importance of community, connection, and communication, especially with loved ones who want to support you
- The challenges of living with chronic depersonalization
- The importance of finding balance between engaging in your life and mitigating stress
- How everyones treatment plan will be unique
- How to accept your depersonalization and fight for your healing at the same time
The episode is also available on YouTube if you’d prefer video. Enjoy!
Episode 7. Life On Autopilot on YouTube: https://youtu.be/IgRALx6D1QE Life on Autopilot by Joe Perkins: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57168195-life-on-autopilot Unreal UK: https://www.unrealuk.org/ More resources from the show: https://linktr.ee/mbiggio29 Song: Depersonalization by Laurelia https://open.spotify.com/track/47g5gA37TiSKInx60xbXKS
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In this episode I interview Anna Ciaunica who is a philosopher and cognitive scientist. Her work focuses on the relationship between self-consciousness, embodiment, and social interactions. In this episode she explains how we first develop our sense of self and what this tells us about the fundamentals of the sense of self. We talk about how this relates to depersonalization and how we can use this knowledge to try to re-gain equilibrium in our life in order to feel more embodied and less stuck in our heads. We talk about the research on depersonalization that Anna is working on and some of the findings so far, as well as the importance of sharing our experiences and connecting with others.
Other topics we discuss: - How our sense of self might be affected by being quarantined - How depersonalization is an invisible disorder and how that can make it challenging to raise awareness - Differences observed between the mental processing of people with depersonalization and people without depersonalization - How overthinking and trauma are connected - How dreams could help us understand the mechanisms of depersonalization - How to recalibrate by offsetting overthinking with sensory experiences - Why it’s important to take baby steps without fixating on the feeling of depersonalization - How to connect with the world to connect with yourself
Song: Depersonalization by Laurelia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDJ8JmuF7GI (YouTube) https://open.spotify.com/track/47g5gA37TiSKInx60xbXKS (Spotify) Laurelia’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/laurelia____?utm_medium=copy_link
Co-embodiment study: https://psyarxiv.com/twubr/ I Overthink-Therefore I Am Not study: https://psyarxiv.com/k9d2n/ Depersonalization and COVID 19 study: https://psyarxiv.com/8jver/ Touch deprivation and COVID 19 study: https://psyarxiv.com/vkzft More studies with Anna: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ZUMz7EAAAAAJ&hl=en
Life on Automatic Pilot by Joe Perkins: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57168195-life-on-autopilot Unreal UK: https://www.unrealuk.org/ More resources from the show: https://linktr.ee/mbiggio29
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In this episode I interview Stephanie Khio who has used cognitive behavioral therapy and somatic healing techniques to cope with her experiences of dissociation. She tells us about her experience of dissociation as a symptom of PTSD, and all of the challenging yet strengthening lessons she’s learned as a result. We talk about ways in which we’ve learned to look at our fears head on, to feel through pain and emotions even when it’s scary, and to check in with our bodies and be our own healers. Enjoy!!
You can follow Stephanie on Instagram @somatichealer or check out her 1:1 work at https://stephaniekhio.com/
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In this episode I talk about how my view of dissociation has changed over time. I read a diary entry from when I was experiencing the deepest depths of my dissociation, and I share practical things I was doing to feel better leading up to my recovery. To wrap up, I walk listeners through a guided meditation tailored for dissociation.
Headspace meditation- https://www.headspace.com
Numb (depersonalization movie)- https://m.imdb.com/video/vi417726745?playlistId=tt0795439&ref_=m_tt_ov_vi
Gut-brain connection- https://www.mhanational.org/fitness-4mind4body-gut-brain-connection
Benefits of naturopathic medicine- https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/naturopathy#benefits
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In this mini episode I give a quick, intense, and tearful update on the positive results of my soul retrieval sessions so far.
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In this episode I interview Kristen Von Foxx, The Shamanatrix, who is a Shamanic Healer and Soul Retrieval Specialist. Kristen explains the viewpoint that Shamanism has on dissociation and how the revival of these ancient practices can help people regain the parts of themselves that they’ve lost. Kristen takes us through her journey from working as a creative arts therapist, working through her own trauma, being initiated into soul retrieval work, and witnessing the ways in which soul retrieval has helped her clients feel more like themselves. Trigger warning: sexual abuse is briefly mentioned in this episode
Kristen’s Resources: Her courses and other links- https://linktr.ee/theshamanatrix Instagram- @theshamanatrix Website- https://theshamanatrix.com/ Book- https://www.amazon.com/dp/1948404389/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_RJS5Q9BEFZHZGHHMNET0
Sexual assault resources and fundraising: https://www.rainn.org
To donate to indigenous communities: https://www.firstnations.org/covid-19-emergency-response-fund/
To donate to the preservation of Shamanic knowledge: https://www.shamanism.org/index.php
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In this episode I talk about the positive outlook I tried to maintain to make my experience easier, how I followed synchronicities as a path to feeling better, the importance of therapy, and some of the potential triggers for DPD/DRD and how they relate to your recovery.
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In this episode host Marina is interviewed by her mother about her experience of depersonalization and derealization. They discuss how it felt to be dissociated when it comes to perception, consciousness, existential crisis, and difficulties functioning in everyday life. They also talk about what it was like to recover and Marina's spiritual experiences alongside her recovery. There are some tears along the way, but some laughs of course too. Enjoy!
Trigger warning- suicide is briefly discussed in this episode. If you have thoughts of suicide please contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255
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Welcome to Out of the Mud, a podcast where we talk about depersonalization/derealization disorder. In this first episode I give a brief overview of my experience with dissociation and explain why I decided to start this podcast. If you enjoy the show please rate, review, and subscribe for updates on future episodes! You can also follow us on Instagram @otmthepodcast where you can get updates and send us your questions and ideas for future episodes. If you would like to be interviewed for the show please reach out! We would love to hear about your experience.
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