no proof: Recent Episodes
joshua gandee
Hi, I’m Josh Gandee host of no proof: A path into mindfulness, sobriety, and health by someone navigating their own journey. It's a podcast where I share my story and others’ so that it may echo outward for more to hear. On it, I discuss the actions that our friends and peers have put into place in their own lives that made a difference. There’s no proof like the present.
This is also where you can find no proof: slurp edition, a quick refreshing look into what's available to drink when you aren't drinking!
In this conversation, Jesse Schenker shares his tumultuous journey through the world of hospitality, marked by a deep passion for cooking and a struggle with addiction. He reflects on his early inspirations in the kitchen, the development of his anxiety, and how it led him to self-medicate with drugs. Jesse recounts his descent into addiction, the impact on his family, and the turning point that led him to seek recovery. Ultimately, he discusses how he rebuilt his life, achieving success in the culinary world while continuing to confront his personal challenges. In this conversation, Jesse Schenker shares his journey through personal struggles, including addiction and the challenges of balancing work and family life. He reflects on the importance of gratitude, the impact of sobriety on his business, and the lessons learned from his upbringing that influence his parenting style. Jesse discusses the vulnerability involved in writing his book and emphasizes the significance of self-reflection and personal growth in his life.
In this conversation, Cody Mashni shares his journey through the hospitality industry, detailing his early experiences, the allure of the party lifestyle, and the challenges he faced with alcohol. He discusses the turning point that led him to sobriety, the internal struggles he encountered, and the growth he has experienced since. Cody emphasizes the importance of connection, leadership, and personal growth in both his professional and personal life, highlighting how sobriety has transformed his approach to the hospitality industry. In this conversation, Cody Mashni shares his journey of self-discovery, work-life balance, and the importance of kindness, both to oneself and others. He discusses the challenges of navigating sobriety, the joy of engaging in hobbies, and the significance of fostering supportive relationships in both personal and professional settings. The dialogue emphasizes the value of introspection, the transition from work to home life, and the pride that comes from personal growth and feeling good about oneself.
In this conversation, Jon Lilley shares his extensive journey through the hospitality industry, reflecting on his relationship with alcohol and the pivotal moments that led him to embrace sobriety. He discusses the challenges and realizations he faced, particularly as he prepared for fatherhood, and how therapy played a significant role in his transformation. Jon emphasizes the importance of supportive relationships and the profound personal growth he has experienced since making the decision to stop drinking. In this conversation, Jon Lilley discusses his journey of personal growth, focusing on his professional development, health, and mental well-being. He reflects on the impact of sobriety on his life, the challenges of balancing family and work, and the importance of self-care. Jon shares insights on shifting perspectives regarding alcohol consumption and the evolving view of sobriety in society. He emphasizes the significance of being present and making conscious choices for a healthier lifestyle.
In this conversation, Jesse shares his journey in the hospitality industry, detailing his early experiences working in his family's restaurant and the challenges he faced. He discusses his passion for hospitality, the impact of sobriety on his life and career, and the lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic. Jesse emphasizes the importance of self-care, accountability, and emotional awareness in both personal and professional contexts, ultimately highlighting the transformative power of sobriety and the new perspectives it has brought to his life. In this conversation, Jesse and Joshua explore the transformative journey of sobriety and its profound impact on personal relationships, professional efficiency, and leadership within the restaurant industry. They discuss the importance of self-care, mental health, and the cultural shifts in restaurant environments that promote a healthier work-life balance. Jesse shares insights on conflict resolution, the significance of curiosity in leadership, and the positive changes in staff gatherings. The discussion culminates in reflections on continuous improvement and the joy of living a mindful life free from the constraints of alcohol.
A first-generation Japanese Korean American, Jesse grew up in his family's restaurant, Fuji. Starting as an after-school dishwasher at age 14, he spent more than a decade working alongside his dad, Masaharu Ito, a celebrated chef, training in everything from prep and pastry to tempura and fish butchery. In 2016, Jesse opened Royal Sushi & Izakaya—and since opening, Jesse has been named an Eater Young Gun and one of Zagat's "30 Under 30." He has also received seven award nominations from the James Beard Foundation, most recently as a finalist for Best Chef: Mid-Atlantic in 2025.
Jesse got sober during the pandemic. He was running on fumes and realized that working so hard simply wasn't sustainable. He began prioritizing his mental and physical health, and getting sober was a big part of that.
With over 10 years in the Denver Food Scene, Amanda Singh is a seasoned chef who’s made a name for herself in Denver’s vibrant brunch scene. A culinary school graduate with a Journeyman Certificate and CC certification, Amanda is Michelin-trained and known for bringing bold, inventive twists to classic brunch dishes. She’s always been deeply passionate about food and knew from a young age that her future was in the kitchen.
Throughout her career, Amanda has honed her skills in top kitchens, developing a unique blend of creativity and expertise. As a sober chef, she approaches every dish with clarity, dedication, and a commitment to excellence. Whether perfecting pastries or reimagining savory brunch classics, Amanda is driven by a love for the craft and a desire to create unforgettable dining experiences. She’s equally passionate about supporting local producers and creating dishes that reflect the heart and soul of Denver.
Outside the kitchen, Amanda enjoys life at home with her three cats—Gravy, Pancake, and Syrup—and Winston, her rescued dog who was saved from a dumpster and now enjoys his forever home. When she’s not cooking, Amanda is often at local pop-punk shows, embracing the energy of the music scene. Her journey—both in cooking and life—is driven by purpose, passion, and an unwavering love for food.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Lila Volkas is a Certified Nutrition Consultant and workshop facilitator based in Oakland, California. Lila brings joy and connection to employees around food and nutrition through her Corporate Team-Building Workshops. She makes nutrition and culinary information easy to understand and fun to learn through her public classes and food writing.
Lila has been hosting food events and classes since 2012 with tens of thousands of participants all around the world. She works with companies like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon to bring team-bonding and wellness into the workplace.
Lila brings a unique do-it-yourself and healthy-ish spin to your favorite cocktails and treats. She engages and delights teams of 5 to 400+ people with delicious recipes, hands-on activities and practical food tips & tricks.
Lila found her way to holistic nutrition after a six-year healing journey from chronic skin and digestive issues. She has come to recognize the onset of these health challenges as a blessing in disguise. They led Lila to her dream job of helping others find connection, joy and healing through food. She holds a bachelor's degree from the University of British Columbia and Holistic Nutrition Consultant certification from Bauman College where she graduated as the Valedictorian of her class.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Wills Dowd was born and raised in the hospitality industry. As a third generation Portland Maine local, he watched behind the scenes as his father owned and operated six food and beverage concepts in the Portland area. Recognizing this dedication to the industry, Dowd followed in his father’s footsteps by starting as a dishwasher at the age of 15 in the back of a busy kitchen. By the age of 24, he worked his way up the ranks and became the manager of the restaurant and even spearheaded the opening of two more restaurants for that business.
Decades later, he uses his passion and knowledge for the industry, along with his Portland Maine upbringing to his advantage as co-owner and director of operations for restaurant concept, Lucky Cheetah. The new restaurant opening follows the success of his existing Portland-based restaurant Bird & Co, which is a town favorite.
As a business owner, he takes pride in the ability to make change and bring visions to life. “There's no better feeling for me than knowing I made someone’s day with good food, drink and service. I love when people come in for first dates or big relationship moments and we can help them create a core memory. I love watching someone take the first sip of a drink and their eyes widen and then they tell their friend across the table they have to try it” says Dowd. This is what continues to drive his passion for the industry and grow his business.
When he is not overseeing the day-to-day operations of these concepts, he enjoys spending time with his family, catching up with friends on the golf course, and listening to live music in town.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Will Lindsay is a musician and storyteller who’s spent the past decade chasing songs and dodging algorithms. He fronts the critically acclaimed Philadelphia indie-punk band Caracara, and before that, made noisy, joyful chaos as W.C. Lindsay. He’s toured the world, lost sleep in vans, and somehow managed to make music that people actually felt.
Now, he’s pouring all of that into Buying Fireworks in Indiana—a solo project that blends indie electronic music, cinematic video essays, and longform writing into something you can’t quite describe at parties. The project is a search—for feeling, for meaning, for stories that don’t disappear into the void of infinite scroll.
Shaped by years of DIY shows, overnight drives, and conversations in strange corners of the world, Buying Fireworks in Indiana is part travelogue, part love letter to subculture. It’s a living archive of underground music, fleeting moments, and people chasing something just out of frame.
Musically, the project lives between genres—in a space Lindsay calls “drum & bliss”—a blend of indie electronic, future garage, post-punk, and melodic drum & bass. It’s emotionally charged and built for movement: dancing, driving, drifting, disappearing.
The rest of the story unfolds in essays and videos—dispatches from the road, meditations on art and impermanence, and quiet glimpses of the collaborations that become the songs.
Buying Fireworks in Indiana is a listener-reader-supported project. If the music hits, if the stories get under your skin—becoming a paid subscriber is how you keep it alive. Premium supporters help ensure the next chapter is not only possible, but honest, wild, and worth doing.
In a digital landscape that can amplify and erase with the same swipe, Lindsay leans into the contradiction—making art that holds tension between nostalgia and progress, tradition and invention. Buying Fireworks in Indiana isn’t just his journey; it’s an open invitation to hop in and come along.
website/writing:
https://buyingfire.works
youtube:
https://youtube.com/@buyingfireworks
music:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2fSit0fOVH1HGhF1u5cGSg?si=B10hTGPxT7-pUfChWW9pyw
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Chef Alex Smith is the Executive Chef of Urban Oak, which sits atop the dual branded Homewood Suites and Tempo by Hilton Raleigh Downtown, bringing over a decade of culinary expertise to one of Raleigh’s newest dining destinations. With a background in fine dining, menu development, and kitchen leadership, he has helmed acclaimed restaurants across the country. As Chef de Cuisine at Parallax Restaurant in Mammoth Lakes, CA, he led kitchen operations, from innovative menu design to staff development, ensuring high culinary standards in a high-demand setting. His experience in research and development with Union Square Hospitality expanded his expertise in recipe creation, ingredient sourcing, and global culinary collaborations. Previously, at Milk and Roses in Brooklyn, he reimagined the restaurant’s Italian-focused menu, earning recognition in travel guidebooks. Passionate about mentorship, food sustainability, and operational excellence, Smith is committed to making Urban Oak a dynamic and memorable dining experience for guests in Raleigh.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Josh Harris, founder of The Bon Vivants, is a San Francisco native and hospitality veteran, Harris is the owner of Trick Dog and the upcoming Quik Dog. A passionate ultra trail runner, vintage watch dealer, and advocate for non-alcoholic drinking culture, he’s been sober since 2003. Harris also co-founded the BV Run Club and established The Bon Vivants Scholarship, raising nearly $850,000 for nonprofits and supporting underserved youth in San Francisco.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Scott Crawford is the Chef/Owner of award-winning Crawford and Son and Jolie in Raleigh, NC. A five-time James Beard Foundation semifinalist for “Best Chef: Southeast,” Crawford earned the coveted Forbes Five-Star award at three properties prior to introducing Crawford Hospitality, and has earned accolades such as Esquire “Best New Restaurant,” Newsweek’s “101 Best Places to Eat in the World,” Triangle Business Journal’s “CEO of the Year” and the News & Observer’s “Restaurant of the Year.” His leadership extends beyond the kitchen; he serves on the Honorary Committee of Healing Transitions – a place for recovery in downtown Raleigh, on The Sunday Supper board, was the Founder of the Ben’s Friends Raleigh chapter, and is committed to cultivating a healthy work-life balance in the culinary industry, and mentoring food and beverage professionals. Crawford Hospitality welcomes Crawford Cookshop in Clayton, NC and Crawford Brothers Steakhouse in Cary, NC’s new Fenton in 2022.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Kendall Bierman is a licensed therapist and Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor. Her passion for this work stems from her own experience navigating anxiety and substance abuse in college, ultimately finding sobriety with the support of a compassionate therapist. Now, she specializes in helping young adults with anxiety, substance use, body image concerns, and relational challenges. Using evidence-based approaches like CBT and DBT, Kendall provides a supportive, non-judgmental space to help clients uncover their strengths and develop personalized strategies for healing. Whether someone is contemplating change or ready to take the first step, she meets them exactly where they are in their journey.
Website: www.kendallbtherapy.com
Instagram & TikTok: @kendallbtherapy
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
LP O’Brien is a highly decorated and award-winning Afro-Boricua mixologist. Her dedication to education, innovation, and cultural integration through cocktail creations led her to establish LP Drinks.
LP was famously crowned the winner of Netflix's new television series, Drink Masters, and has been recognized by DISCUS, Global Bar 100 Industry People To Know, and the Dame Hall of Fame.
She is a proud shareholder of Siponey Spritz Co.™, the first B Corp-certified spirits-based canned cocktail company.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Shell is a hospitality veteran with 18 years of FOH experience, specializing in operations, training, and business development. She has worked with some of London’s top restaurant groups, including Hawksmoor, Gaucho, and Polpo.
After experiencing a life-changing burnout in 2020, Shell shifted her focus to improving mental health and working conditions in hospitality, pushing difficult conversations into the open—particularly around the hidden epidemic of addiction.
Her podcast, We Recover Loudly, provides a platform for industry professionals to discuss substance use, recovery, and cultural change, proving that a thriving hospitality career doesn’t have to include alcohol or drugs.
Beyond podcasting, Shell offers onsite workshops, small group coaching for managers, and 1:1 recovery coaching for hospitality leaders looking to change their relationship with drugs and alcohol. As someone diagnosed as autistic, ADHD hyperactive, and dyslexic, she also delivers neurodiversity training, helping businesses create supportive environments that enhance mental well-being.
In addition to her advocacy work, Shell has launched a bold, unapologetic sobriety-focused merchandise perfect for gifting, which celebrates recovery with empowering designs and streetwear-inspired style. Her best-selling “Sober C*nt” socks have built a loyal following, and she’s expanding her collection to continue challenging stigma and inspiring confidence in recovery.
Shell is also the resident agony aunt for Low No Drinker magazine and the proud dog mum to Milo, a sassy sausage dog with a passion for brunch.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Liz Mendez is a writer, producer and founder of Aldea Hospitality + Productions. Spending three decades in and around restaurants, has laid the foundation for Liz’s portfolio career - spanning: radio, wine, and tech. As a former wine bar owner and award winning sommelier, with a degree in Communications from DePaul University - Liz has always believed in creativity as our greatest superpower. After including zero proof selections in beverage programs since 2015, Liz made the decision in 2021 to bring those beverages more into her own life with mindful breaks from alcohol - which would lead to a life altering, alcohol free year that opened doors to wellness, opportunity and abundance.Links:The Luncheonette: https://luncheonette.substack.com/Aldea Hospitality + Productions: https://www.aldeahospitality.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mendezmusings/
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Amber Falter is a standup comic, writer, artist, and producer in Columbus, Ohio. Voted Best Comedian by Columbus Alive 2019, Amber is the producer of Beef Ghost Comedy and is the co-host and producer of Columbus Stand Up for Choice. She has been a regular on Don’t Tell, Funny Bone and Super Dope Comedy showcases.
My bio should be more like “somehow still alive after drinking liquor like a warthog”
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Julie Fontes writes about addiction and other consequences of living from a quaint coastal community in southern California. She enjoys being weird and can’t decide whether to write or exercise first in the morning. One thing that she is sure of is that she will be waiting tables in the evening, and that this is a very professional interview. Like a Normal Person is Julie’s first book.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Joel has spent over 20 years helping businesses grow and making a difference in the hospitality world. He was the founder of Heard and Saint City Culinary Foundation, which focused on mental health for service industry workers and is now the managing partner at Hagan Rivas Marketing and Media Group. His work has been highlighted in places like Bon Appétit Magazine, and he’s passionate about supporting those effecting change in their communities.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Chris Cardone, founder of Continuous Beverage Solutions, has over 24 years of experience in bartending, hospitality, and consulting for diverse establishments in New York. He was named Bartender of the Year in 2017 at the Diageo World Class US competition, later becoming a judge and educator for the competition. Chris is the Chief Mixologist for Via Carota Craft Cocktails and a partner and director of mixology for Astraeaus Single Malt Gin.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
2024 'Best New Chef: Mountain' James Beard Award Winner Chef Matt Vawter and his business partner and director of hospitality, Patrick Murphy, both veterans of Denver's F&B scene, made personal choices to stop drinking alcohol in recent years. Upon recognizing the limited options for non-drinkers dining out, they expanded Rootstalk's booze-free offerings (their restaurant in Breckenridge, CO). They recently launched a NA pairing option for their tasting menu.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Robert St. John, a native of Hattiesburg, MS, is a restaurateur, author, philanthropist, and international travel guide dedicated to community and service. He founded Onward Hospitality, managing concepts in Hattiesburg and Jackson, MS. Since discovering his passion for restaurants at 19, St. John has opened over a dozen eateries, including Crescent City Grill and Ed’s Burger Joint. He writes a weekly food column, authored ten books, and leads culinary trips to Europe, focusing on Italy. Committed to ending hunger in Mississippi, he founded Extra Table and secured grants for independent restaurants during Covid. Recognized with awards like Restaurateur of the Year, St. John continues to elevate Mississippi's dining scene while enjoying family time and music.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Growing up on California's coast, Michelle started drinking at 14, where binge-drinking was common through college. Despite attempts to abstain for health reasons, social and cultural pressures made it challenging, especially with work centered around alcohol. Over time, she realized alcohol heightened her anxiety and drained her energy, becoming a crutch. In Spring 2021, influenced by the impact of alcohol on her family, she quit drinking. What started as an indefinite amount of break led to lasting change and inspired her to create a non-alcoholic spirit company focused on vibrant, empowered living.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Justyn Brogan is the General Manager of Urban Farmer Denver and The Cruise Room (one of the oldest bars in Denver, born the day after Repeal in 1933). He has been sober for over eight years. Justyn spent the first three years of his sobriety as a server and bartender. He then took a step back from management to focus on "cleaning up his life" before returning in 2019. He is active in the sober support group Ben's Friends Hope, an industry support group similar to AA. In fact, he just opened the first in-person meeting in Denver, hosted at Urban Farmer.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Emily Hyland’s debut poetry collection, Divorced Business Partners, is forthcoming with Howling Bird Press in October 2024. Hyland's poetry has appeared in The Brooklyn Review, Frontier Poetry, and The Hollins Critic, among others. She earned her MFA in poetry and her MA in English education from Brooklyn College. Her cookbook, Emily: The Cookbook, was published by Ballantine Books, an imprint of Random House, in 2018. Hyland is the eponymous co-founder of the international restaurant groups Pizza Loves Emily + Emmy Squared Pizza. Emily lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico where she writes and teaches yoga. Emily earned her 200 hour certification at Yogamaya in 2012 along with 75 hours of advanced training in therapeutics and has since studied Yin with Corina Benner through Wake Up Yoga in Philadelphia.Emily has taught and mentored at an array of NYC studios over the past decade; most notably, she was a founding team member at Love is Juniper in Prospect Heights where she helped develop and lead teacher training. Emily is a partner at YogaSource in SantaFe. There, she endeavors to infuse her classroom with warmth and positivity. Her teaching centers around encouraging students to tune into nuanced expressions of proprioception in order to develop ongoing, active dialogue with the body.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Mel is a 15+yr industry veteran based out of Arizona. They are a proud Mestiza, Mom of 3, and recovering addict. They believe the Universe is always conspiring for us.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Best-selling author, TedX speaker, James Beard semifinalist, mental health advocate, and restaurateur Steve Palmer is a food & beverage industry leader with more than 40 years of experience.
As founder, managing partner, and chief vision officer of the award-winning Indigo Road Hospitality Group (IRHG), Steve has played an integral role in growing the Charleston, SC-based hospitality company from one restaurant in 2009 to a portfolio of more than 30 restaurants and independent hotels throughout the country today. He maintains the philosophy that great service starts with well-cared-for employees and attributes the company’s success to its loyal and dedicated team. By promoting from within and continuously creating new opportunities for his staff, Steve has developed a people-first culture built on an unwavering, high level of care and hospitality.
Nationally recognized in titles like The New York Times, NPR, and Southern Living, Steve is a four-time semifinalist for the James Beard Foundation Outstanding Restaurateur Award, with his most recent nomination in 2024 for his work with colleague Kimball Brienza at O-Ku’s Charleston location. He also became a best-selling author when he published Say Grace: How the Restaurant Business Saved My Life in 2019.
His proudest accomplishment to date was co-founding Ben’s Friends with close friend and fellow longtime industry veteran Mickey Bakst to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to professionals who struggle with substance abuse and addiction. An avid proponent of supporting people and communities, Steve serves as an active member on several industry boards and annual fundraising events, as well as lends his voice to influential events like TedX Charleston and Charleston Wine + Food Festival, speaking on personal passions like building strong company cultures and addiction/recovery.
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Laura Silverman is an alcohol-free trailblazer. She’s been sober since 2007 and is the founder of Zero Proof Nation and Booze Free in DC, two platforms focused on highlighting non-alcoholic beverages and the culture driving their growth. She serves in advisory roles to for and non-profits in the wider industry, bringing her expertise and lived experience to the table.
Laura has given university lectures on non-alcoholic beverages and inclusivity in hospitality, two areas of deep passion and advocacy. She is a two-time judge at the World Alcohol Free Awards in London, tasting over 200 unique non-alcoholic beverages in two days.
In 2023, Laura received a “Leader and Innovator of the Year” award from Sans Bar Academy, a non-alc small business incubator. When not on the karaoke stage, she is frequently sought after as an industry subject matter expert by publications such as Wine Enthusiast, NPR, Forbes, America’s Test Kitchen, and the BBC.
Laura is co-host of NA Dossier, a video podcast exploring the intersection between branding, design, taste, and community for non-alc beverages. She and her co-host, brand designer Haylee Jordan, have interviewed the founders of growing brands (e.g. Starla Wines) and multi-million dollar brands (e.g. Athletic Brewing) alike.
Listening in Columbus, Oh? Care about where your food comes from? Head to yellowbirdfs.com to start your order for farm fresh food, and enter NOPROOF30 for 30% off your cart.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Gabriel + Cliff:
Gabriel Rucker, Executive Chef and Co-Owner, Le Pigeon and Canard
Two-time James Beard Award winning Chef Gabriel Rucker is Executive Chef and Co-owner of
Le Pigeon and Canard in Portland, Oregon. Over the years, his highly original, off the cuff
creativity and recipe-free approach to cooking has gained him national acclaim. A native of
Napa, California, when school no longer piqued his interest, Rucker moved to the kitchen. In
2003 he moved to Portland and landed a coveted job at Chef Vitaly Paley’s home to Northwest cooking, Paley’s Place. In June of 2006, Rucker opened Le Pigeon, which quickly went on to win The Oregonian’s Restaurant of the Year.
One of Portland’s most respected and decorated chefs, Rucker has earned two James Beard
awards for Rising Star Chef in 2011 and Best Chef Northwest in 2013. He has been named a
Food & Wine Best New Chef and a recipient of StarChefs Mentor Award.
Beyond the kitchen, Rucker has become a leading advocate within the restaurant industry for
recovery, health and fitness. In 2019 he helped to open the Portland chapter of Ben’s Friends, a restaurant industry recovery group. He also leads a weekly running and walking club
@birddogrunclub. Follow Rucker on Instagram @ruckergabriel.
Meet Worry Not!’s creator, Cliffton. Cliff’s intentional mission in the development and implementation of Worry Not! is to craft menus that are far more inclusive, giving the option for everyone to enjoy the communal drinking & dining experience.
Before moving to Portland in 2017 Cliff managed the Los Angeles mainstay, Wurstkuche. From there, he served as the General Manager at the iconic Baco Mercat under the guidance of James Beard nominated & Michelin Star awarded chef, Josef Cenento. He began his Portland industry journey as the General Manager of the legendary Pok Pok, and has proudly run the bar programs at both Jacqueline & Coopers Hall. He currently spends his working hours “putting things into cups” at Canard while heading the NA program at Le Pigeon.
Cliff’s alcohol-free journey began April 1st, 2023, initially as a “Sober April” to re-evaluate his relationship with alcohol. It quickly became clear that alcohol was no longer part of his life plan – the benefits of living alcohol free far outweighed the indulgence of imbibing. With products such as Wilderon, All the Bitters, and Joyus emerging in the market, Cliff envisions a future where ordering a NA modern classic will be commonplace.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Kristen Bear is an actor, writer, and sobriety hype girl based in Nashville, TN. After years of bouncing from coast to coast Kristen found herself back in her home state in February 2020, disillusioned, and desperate for change. Now, at over four years sober, one of her biggest passions is sharing her sobriety journey and helping others find their own way to freedom. Find Kristen on IG and Substack @creativesobriety and join her in Costa Rica this fall for a booze-free vacation! https://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-kristen-bear-oct-2024
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Drawing on 15+ years of experience managing bar programs in San Francisco, Phoenix, Oakland, and San Diego, Karl Goranowski is the Fenton Family Restaurants’ tenured Beverage Director across all five of the brand’s restaurant/bar concepts in Tucson, AZ. On a weekly basis, Karl can be found curating five distinct cocktail lists, a 250+ bottle wine program, and four craft beer programs –– across BATA, barbata, Tough Luck Club, Reilly Craft Pizza + Drink, and Fentonelli’s Pizzeria + Bar –– using local makers and seasonally available ingredients.
As a sober bartender, Karl taps into his decades of expertise and skilled team of over 20 bar professionals to bring his ethos to life: curated spirits in creative cocktails. Sobriety has broadened his focus to encompass the overall guest experience beyond drinks and service, which gives him a more thoughtful approach to inclusive options for everyone. Professionally, he has developed a solution-oriented mindset, emphasizing continuous improvement, fostering collaboration, and trusting his team's creativity.
A firm believer that the best drink a person can have is the drink in their hand, he focuses on creating flavorful, well-balanced cocktails that enhance the overall guest experience. He attributes all that he has to hard work, sobriety, camaraderie, and a little bit of luck.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Chef Ricky Bella is a Portland native who's been cooking since the age of 17. Trained on the job and without culinary school, he has worked in some of the best kitchens in Portland for 16 years. He's been sober for 4 1/2 years now and has been pushing for the subject of addiction and mental health to be more openly talked about in his community ever since.
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
"Sean is an aging midwesterner with no intention of being an old man. He loves service and cultivating social vibes for everyone."
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
Kim Lerner is a consultant, leadership coach for hospitality businesses and professionals at only yummy, always. She is also a professor on faculty at CUNY Kingsborough and The Institute of Culinary Education. On this journey through an ever-changing landscape, she defined the fundamentals of her own leadership style: kindness, trust, community, and building an in-house culture that transcends its four walls. It is this style of leadership that has made her a pioneer in the industry, challenging the status quo and always looking to better the climate of an industry she holds so dear to her heart. Kim operates the only way a NYC native with French roots can — with conviction, effortlessness and a side of beurre.
IG: @only_yummy_always
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linked in: only-yummy-always & Kim Lerner
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Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
In 1982 Mickey Bakst lost his first restaurant to alcohol and drug addiction, and it was also in that year that he found sobriety, after a long and painful struggle. For the next 40 years, Mickey watched countless peers lose their lives or destroy their careers due to their addictions. And for 40 years he asked himself, “What can I do to make a difference?”
After witnessing the death of yet another industry professional in 2016, Mickey and fellow restaurateur Steve Palmer founded Ben’s Friends, a support group for members of the food and beverage industry battling substance abuse and addiction. The mission of Ben’s Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse and addiction. The organization is named in honor of Ben Murray, a chef who took his own life in 2016 after a long struggle with alcoholism. Now with decades of sobriety under his belt, Mickey believes that there are countless members of the restaurant industry in need of support facing the widespread effects of alcohol and drugs. Through Ben’s Friends, it is his hope to help as many as possible.
As Ben’s Friends Executive Director, Mickey has dedicated himself to the organization and focuses on spreading the word about Ben’s Friends to existing and emerging chapters across the country.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I've been so fortunate to have shannon as a friend. Anytime I've been in a room with her I'm in awe of how she makes those around her feel. She's welcoming, funny, honest, and humble. In an industry of personalities, it is rare to find someone so great in all they do, yet so approachable. I'm also fortunate to have been close enough to shannon to see the ways she's grown. In this conversation we chat about some of the positive outcomes of her decision to remove alcohol.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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It was great getting the chance to chat with brittany, someone who is not only a consumer of n/a beverages, sober, but also a creator of a new non-alcoholic amaro called 'namari.' We chat through her decision to remove alcohol, how she creates n/a beverages at The Dutchess, and what led to the creation of namari. Thanks for the time and honesty, brittany.
Brittany Naing is the Assistant General Manager, and also oversees the bar/non-alcoholic cocktail program for The Dutchess, an all-day bakery, café and Burmese restaurant in Ojai, California. Brittany worked as a chef for many years before delving into the cocktail world, so she applies that culinary mindset when developing beverages at this eclectic restaurant, which draws inspiration from her husband and Chef/Partner Saw Naing’s Burmese-Indian heritage. She and her bar team utilize local, artisan spirits and craft plenty of housemade ingredients (non-alcoholic infusions, vermouths, bitters, tinctures, syrups and more) to align with the restaurant’s philosophy of sourcing as much as possible from within 50 miles. In December 2022, Brittany became sober, and this journey has inspired her to expand even more upon The Dutchess’ thoughtful, non-alcoholic cocktail menu. Additionally, her love for amaro led to her launching a non-alcoholic, artisan amaro in 2020 called Namari.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Michael Moberly is fun. Plain and simple. Every time I have been around him has been more rousing and laugh-filled than the last. When he removed alcohol from his life it felt like we only grew closer. My greatest friends at the moment have been those that have been filling their existence with good, and balance, and hope for themselves in the future. This is a departure from previous episodes, only in that Moberly is the first to roast me (I don't own a Corvette) and the first to feature big time shout outs to some of our favorite brands. I hope this episode is as fun for you to listen to as it was to make. Thank you, Moberly, for everything.
Michael Moberly, Beverage Innovation Manager at Monin, is a beverage enthusiast, columnist,and educator based in Reno NV. He is also very good at wearing hats.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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It was nice to chat with jon. His story sounded like the start of others I had heard, but jon is unique which in turn, so is his story. It was staggering to hear his moment when he put his foot in the ground and became an individual who would live without alcohol. I'm inspired by what he's done, how he talks to himself, and the values that find their way into his business. Thanks for the honesty, jon.
Born and raised in the South, but a traveler at heart, Jon Murray is changing the hospitality industry for the better with the opening of his first concept, Noko, an Asian-inspired, wood-fired restaurant in East Nashville. With almost 20 years of experience in the hospitality industry, Murray and his Noko partners aim to create a more sustainable work environment for their employees, while offering guests a taste of the restaurants Asian-inspired comfort foods.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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i finally got to meet grace at tales of the cocktail. we chatted at an event surrounded by friends and mentors and shared in the excitement of what's happening and what's to come. this conversation picks up from where we left off in new orleans. grace has been leading the charge with delicious drinks, and a knowledge that surpasses many when it comes to what's in the n/a bottles.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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in this episode charley and I talk about the struggles of the decision to remove alcohol, but what waits on the other side. this was a great conversation about the practice of sobriety, and how making the decision isn't the fix, but what follows is.
charley was one of the focus on health scholarship winners for the 2023 tales of the cocktail and currently bartends in Maine.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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brooke sets goals and crushes them. it was exciting to chat with someone so bought in on their own story, who finds every way possible to improve themselves. whether it is training for multiple marathons, or founding a company with their sights set on helping others, brooke goes all in.
Brooke LeBlanc is the Founder & CEO of Edge, a coaching and community program designed to help you stop drinking alcohol. She got sober during the pandemic living in New York, and has been creating content around what its like to be sober in your twenties. She's now leveraging her audience to build a company around her mission to empower millions of people to lead healthier lives. To learn more, go to joinedgeapp.com and sign up for the waitlist today.
ig: @joinedgeapp
web: https://www.joinedgeapp.com/
Thank you for your time, brooke. looking forward to what you do.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Tori, aka mocktail girlie makes getting started with n/a beverages easy as ever on her social media channels. Offline she's on a path of discovering herself, viewing the positives in life through the lens of a person that is alcohol free. We both live in Columbus, Oh, a city we're proud to see thrive with more and more n/a options becoming available, and great places to start thanks to people like her.
Tori, aka Mocktail Girlie, wanted to find a way to enjoy drinks without adding alcohol. This led to her creating mocktails for her and her husband at home using simple and healthy ingredients. What started as a fun way to share her drink recipes on Instagram and TikTok, quickly turned into a community of like-minded people that also share in her desire to enjoy delicious non-alcoholic beverages. Through her platforms, Tori now shares her easy-to-make mocktails with her hundreds of thousands of followers.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Chatting with Sam was another great example of what is gained when we decide to remove alcohol from our lives. A celebration of the flavors, moments, and people you get to be around, and how you blossom as an individual. She references discovering she’s awkward, but wears it as a badge of pride. I’ve discovered so many things about myself since removing alcohol, deep things, hidden things, and yes, silly things. Thank you, Sam.
Sam Bail is the founder of Third Place Bar, a series of non-alcoholic bar events in New York City. Originally from Germany, Sam spent several years in Manchester, England, before moving to New York City in 2014. Outside of Third Place Bar, Sam works full-time as a data engineer. She’s also a passionate runner and has found a home in the New York City running community.
IG: https://www.instagram.com/thirdplacebarnyc/
Web: www.thirdplacebar.nyc
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Kristina brings a portion of the n/a narrative to the table, that many of my guests have brought before: That sobriety can be fun, and we don't lose a part of ourselves when we give up alcohol. This is represented in the way that Kristina talks about her own journey, and also through the branding and voice of her brand MIXOLOSHE. So much of what we encounter arrives when we shift our mindset. The first couple of times I took a monthlong break from alcohol I looked at it as depriving myself of something, for the one that took, I looked at the benefits. That was the path I took.
Entrepreneur Kristina Roth launched a successful tech consulting firm that skyrocketed from zero to $65 million in revenue between 2008 to 2016, earning her a coveted spot on Forbes’ list of Top 10 Fastest-Growing Women-Owned or Led Companies — twice. Throughout Roth’s illustrious IT career in multiple countries, she felt there were very few women she could turn to for support and guidance, inspiring her to create an innovative women’s lifestyle brand: SuperShe, which now includes a category-defining non-alcoholic beverage brand called MIXOLOSHE.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I'm a huge fan of three spirit drinks. they fit that perfect mold of unique, and delicious, and aren't trying to be something they're not. I was excited to chat with tati and dash about how these remarkable n/a spirits came to be, and everything they aren't hiding.
Three Spirit is a functional non-alcoholic drinks range created by bartenders, winemakers, and plant scientists. By harnessing the potential of active botanical ingredients, we push boundaries to make alcohol-free mean more and liberate the way we drink, socialize, and connect.
Tatiana Mercer
Few people know more about delicious drinks and having fun than Three Spirit co-founder Tati. Before Three Spirit, she co-founded BarChick - the much-loved platform for discovering the world’s best bars - so naturally she’s all about discovering amazing cocktails, places, the people behind them and enjoying all the chance encounters along the way.
Dash Lilley
Plant geek, serious foodie, and the maker of our drinks, Dash is the co-founder and head of product at Three Spirit. Alongside his team of bartenders and plant scientists, Dash spends most of his time getting over 60 plants from all over the world, shipped, blended, batched, and bottled so we can keep bringing plant magic to your door.
You can order three spirit from their website, or from boisson.co. I tried all three of their spirits, and the two wine alternatives they have available.
Instagram:
@threespiritdrinks
Website:
threespiritdrinks.com
Laura Louise Green, LPC is a licensed psychotherapist and founder of Healthy Pour, a consultancy that helps creative organizations and professional communities address issues of well-being in the workplace. After working in hospitality and drinks for two decades, Laura utilizes her knowledge and skills as a mental health practitioner to facilitate training, growth, and healing within the hospitality industry and other creative sectors. Laura Louise is currently pursuing a second masters in Organizational Psychology.
@healthy.pour
@Laura.louise.green
Website
www.healthypour.org
Healthy Pour institute
institute.healthypour.org
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I am glad to share an episode with Noah, not just because of all the amazing n/a serves he's been sharing all across the internet, but because his story is added among those who thought they'd have to leave the industry but instead are shaping it for future generations. Thank you Noah for sharing your journey, and for helping to bring so much positivity and flavors to future conversations.
Noah heads Club Soda’s cocktail program for the Tasting Room at 39 Drury Lane in London.
Coming originally from a background in the music industry, Noah is an established drinks professional, with wide-ranging experience in bar management, cocktail creation, and wine service. Since joining Club Soda, he’s rapidly becoming a respected voice in the low and no sectors.
Noah’s cocktails have been featured in Men’s Health, Cosmopolitan, Time Out, and Bloomberg. In 2023, was named Bar Magazine’s Bartender of the Week, selected for panels and workshops at Bon Vivant Festival in Barcelona, Latitude Festival, and Tales Of The Cocktail in New Orleans. He is also on the judging panel for the World Alcohol-Free Awards and Great Taste Awards, and he’s passionate about developing outstanding alcohol-free experiences that are inclusive of everyone.
In his spare time, Noah is a captain for Talk Club, a charity supporting men’s mental health and well-being. You can connect with Noah on Instagram.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Jordan Valls saw promise in himself, and took charge. But that didn't happen in one fell swoop. Listen here to find out what he had to see within himself, and what it took to make a forever change.
Jordan Valls is an Industry Professional and Jiu-jitsu athlete. Former Bar Manager of the renowned Multnomah Whisk{e}y Library in Portland Oregon Jordan is passionate about fine spirits, cocktails & everything in between. Now running the cocktail program of the celebrated Cuban-inspired cocktail bar, Palomar, Jordan balances the extremes of sobriety, mental health, combat sports & the service industry.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Andrew is local to Columbus, Oh the city I call home. I met him via Instagram after he took home one of the meditation cards I created for a Dry January event earlier this year. He asked himself the questions, and answered them through a social media post revealing some things to himself out loud. It was great to hear Andrew's story, and to hear the ways he checks in with himself to keep feeling his best.
Andrew Hash was a daily drinker whose whiskey "hobby" became an unhealthy coping mechanism for any inconvenience life presented. Andrew has been a pharmacy purchaser for 10 years and an avid sports fan. Sobriety has brought him back to his passions and allowed him to stop sleepwalking through life.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Elizabeth is everything exciting with the n/a movement. She read a room, left it, and created a better one. In these rooms, you find excitement, noise, conversation, people enjoying themselves, and great non-alcoholic cocktails. I was thrilled to chat with Elizabeth, who recently took Absence of Proof full-time, and contributes more than just events to the community.
Elizabeth Gascoigne is found and CEO of Absence of Proof- a non-acloholic event curation company and online bottle boutique.
Elizabeth is passionate about creating social experiences for those taking a night, week, or lifetime off of drinking. Absence of Proof is rooted in wellness and community and focused on elevating an n/a nightlife for everyone.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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A chat with someone like Ian will always be refreshing. I was cooled by the way he spoke about his journey through sobriety, and held in a suspension in how exciting life can be when we reward ourselves with more time.
Founded by two former French Laundry sommeliers—who quit drinking after they had kids—All The Bitter is a lineup of non-alcoholic cocktail bitters that lift the spirit. Made by hand from organic, wild-foraged, and functional botanicals in a process that takes nearly two months, our bitters elevate cocktails with and without alcohol, mixers like tonic and ginger beer, and are especially refreshing in sparkling water with a squeeze of citrus. Find us on social media @allthebitter and at allthebitter.com.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I was looking forward to my conversation with Whitney not just because they were sent my way via our pal Laura Sanders, but because of what they contribute to the world. I'm fascinated by the humor and honesty that lies within their comics, and the way they play with the weight of the subject of sobriety. Please enjoy this conversation as much as I did.
Whitney Wasson (they/them) is a multidisciplinary artist and performer, originally from Fort Smith, Arkansas who lives in Chicago.
A standup comedian who produced a slew of shows, performed at dozens of comedy festivals across the country, and made thirties of dollars, Whitney got hit at a crosswalk by a distracted driver at the end of 2019. They then became a sitdown comedian and then a stay-at-home comedian during 2020. They're now mostly a cartoonist.
They write and draw Sober Rabbit. Their art and comics have been featured in Chicago Reader, Weekly Humorist and various blogs and websites. They've created art for festivals, live events, feature films, comedy albums and even a few tattoos.
FB: @soberrabbitcomic
Twitter: @soberrabbit
Instagram: @soberrabbit
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Chad and I share a few things: sobriety, running, a love for Jason Isbell, and our time at Eat Clean Run Dirty Magazine. I was excited to continue a conversation with Chad that we started during an editorial meeting recently. It was incredible to hear what it took to become honest, and begin a sober journey. We chat about the immense and supportive community that comes with ultra running, and how those in sobriety find their way to it.
Chad Sullivan is a father, husband, writer, and ultra-runner living in suburban Chicago. He serves as the Executive Editor of Eat Clean, Run Dirty Magazine and is the creator of Hard Prairie, a website dedicated to the trail and ultra-running scene in Illinois. Having struggled with substance abuse for many years, Chad entered treatment in June 2020 and has remained sober since.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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A special thanks to Greg for being the final episode of no proof of 2022!
Such a great way to close out the year with a conversation about being hopeful, becoming your best self, and looking forward to bigger mountains and challenges.
Greg is a Virginia resident who worked in the restaurant industry during college. After graduating from Boston University in 2019, he transitioned into working in the legal world as a paralegal/legal assistant. He is slated to attend law school in the near future.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I was fortunate enough to meet Sarah through our mutual pal, and co-founder of focus on health, Alex Jump. Our conversation is an enlightening look at the journey many within the hospitality industry experience with alcohol, and sarah's efforts to change her path. I thank her for her honesty and for sharing her story. If ever in Chattanooga, stop in and say hello.
Sarah Tuttle is an award-winning bartender who has been living sober for almost 6 years. She lives in Chattanooga, TN, where she is the lead bartender at the Rosecomb and runs an organic farm with her partner and their pittie.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I'm fortunate to know someone like Derek Brown. His writing, books, and expertise have been influential in what shaped me as a bartender. I've learned recipes, techniques, and storytelling from someone like Derek, and now as I continue life without alcohol, he has found a new way to influence me. His own journey has afforded him the pause it took to look at the way his life was being lived and the decision to change it. It's incredible to see Derek take his new direction and do what he does best, understand the best he can for himself, and amplify his knowledge in the direction that helps others. Thank you for your time, path, journey, and willingness to share, Derek. I owe you so much.
Derek is the founder of Positive Damage, Inc., a NASM-certified wellness coach, advocate for mindful drinking, and expert on no- and low-alcohol cocktails. He is also known as a cocktail pioneer, former owner of the prestigious Columbia Room in Washington, D.C. (2017 “Best American Cocktail Bar” at the Spirited Awards), and one of the nation’s top bartenders as Chief Spirits Advisor to the National Archives Foundation, which he jokes made him the highest-ranking bartender in the U.S. government.
In 2017, Playboy magazine named Brown one of "The 10 Entertainers, Thought Leaders and Heroes Who'll Save Us in 2017." More recently, Brown was recognized as a leading beverage figure affecting positive change in the global bar industry by Drinks International in 2020 in their “Bar World 100” list.
Brown changed his approach to drinking in 2018, realizing he had a problem with alcohol. At first, he wasn’t sure how to approach drinking with his new concerns. He subsequently released his first book, Spirits, Sugar, Water, Bitters: How the Cocktail Conquered the World in 2019. He then decided it was time to be open about his struggles with alcohol and addressed his new appreciation for mindful drinking in a 2020 Vox article entitled, “Becoming a ‘mindful drinker’ changed my life.”
Shortly after, Brown published Mindful Mixology: a Comprehensive Guide to No- and Low-Alcohol Cocktails, pursued his certification in wellness through the National Association of Sports Medicine (NASM), and began to study positive psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. He wanted to understand how happiness and vitality affect our approach to drinking, and how simple interventions can improve our relationship with alcohol.
Brown is now working to help foster a culture of mindful drinking and make room for everyone at the bar with delicious no- and low-alcohol drinks. He lives in Washington, D.C. with his family, skateboards and plays chess.
Link: positivedamageinc.com
Book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/mindful-mixology-a-comprehensive-guide-to-no-and-low-alcohol-cocktails-with-60-recipes-derek-brown/17384545?ean=9780847871278
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Before I met Rudy, I had sipped both versions of Parch, a n/a canned cocktail, and quickly became a super fan. The mix gave me pause when I sipped, and unlike many citrus, sugar, and soda combinations I've had in the past, this cocktail built a picture in my mind. I had to know more. Meeting Rudy has been fulfilling in so many beautiful ways. I was thrilled to discover he's also a passionate runner, and that he too uses his trots as a form of meditation. I'm thankful for the time he spent telling his story in this episode, and I've included some great links for charitable donations that are associated with some of the things we touch on in our chat. I can't say enough good things about Rudy or about Parch, so please enjoy this episode, and please see for yourself how delicious the two cocktails are.
Rudy Aldana is the Co-Founder & CEO for Parch non-alcoholic agave-based cocktails and spirits. A 14-year DIAGEO veteran, worked across multiple geographies (Canada, Europe, USA), and most recently was the Diageo North America Director for Agave Based Spirits based in New York City. As a health & wellness advocate and a Cancer survivor, Rudy firmly believes in offering premium and better-for-you alternatives for all adult drinking occasions.
For more info and buy PARCH online, please visit www.drinkparch.com or PARCH at Amazon or get in touch: hello@drinkparch.com
For information on the Mission Garden and its work on indigenous Tucsonian agriculture. https://www.missiongarden.org
For some Non-Alc retailers supporters of PARCH:
- Curiosity SLC
- Spirited Away
- Alt Bar
- The Open Road
- Boisson
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- Umbrella Dry Drinks
- Free Spirits CLE
- The New Bar
- Dryspokes
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- Beverly Dry Goods
- Soft Spirits
For cancer research support, kindly follow this link to support the FRED’s Team, Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center Fundraising running team for the annual NYC Marathon Donate here: 100% of proceeds go to fund cancer research at MSKCC
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I was glad to have had this chat with Geo. We met at Camp Runamok where I got to see his personality on full display, a character, someone you like to be around. One day on social media I noticed Geo sharing updates from a hospital. It wasn't my business to pry, so I followed along and watched as a man hospitalized started his epic comeback. Now, his sharing is in the form of gym selfies, and positivity. This was my first time hearing of Geo's epic bounce back and the man he'd get to become. Thanks for your honesty, Geo.
Geo Thompson, a Boston hospitality professional “lifer” having scraped the plates clean of the multitudes who have passed through his time serving and managing chain restaurants, music venues, and elite private clubs of this old city, now reflects on a long career of what ifs and what lays ahead through a new lens of sobriety, and a new lease on life after nearly losing it all.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Jackie and I grew up relatively close to each other, but we didn't meet until we both lived in Columbus. It's almost strange to think now, that two people could live such parallel moments in their individual lives so close to each other without those moments ever meeting. Jackie is in her sixth year of sobriety, and I in my fifth, and this was the first time we chatted about it. It's truly great to chat through the growth that is possible, the revelation of a life that's right in front of your eyes, and how beautiful it is when you finally pay attention. Thanks for your time, Jackie.
Jackie Mantey is a writer and artist who lives in Chicago. One month into sobriety, Jackie began a visual art practice that includes hand embroidery on found and historical photographs. Six years later, she’s still sober and still making embroidery art, which she exhibits around Chicago and sells in her online shop.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I met Steven Gonzalez during a virtual portion of the Patrón Perfectionists cocktail competition. He was genuine, suave, had a good story, and a good drink. Many put on faces or fronts when competing, but when I met Steven in person I met the same, soft, personable person from the video. I didn't know at the time that he also didn't drink. I loved this opportunity to sit with Steven and chat about our decision to love an industry fully while removing what some would think is a crucial portion of it. We chat about the opportunity that life provides when you give yourself more space to grow, and more grace to act upon. We cover what it takes to live a life without alcohol and stand upon a global stage as yourself, with no liquid courage, just the things you've built. In this episode, we laugh about being met with clichés and learning to embrace them. Thanks for your passion, and your genuine approach to life, Steven.
Steven Gonzalez is a Colombian-born bartender who moved to NYC in the early 2000s where he found his love for hospitality. After years of being part of the industry, he decided to make positive changes in his life for his health, finances, and family. He has been sober for almost three years and believes it has been the best decision he could have made.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Jill is someone, like many of my guests that I met on the internet. Luckily, I got to meet Jill in real life and bask in her energy while we were both at Tales of the Cocktail. In this episode we chat about what it takes to become sober, and what a support system can look like. Jill and her husband decided to remove alcohol from their lives at the same time, and she talks about what it's like to have a co-pilot while making that transition. I loved this conversation. I'm so lucky to share in the change of others as they talk about the people they've become, what's possible now, and what they uncovered. Thanks for sharing, Jill, glad to know you.
As a seasoned expert in pretty much every part of the beverage industry: years spent at distributors, suppliers, and even as an owner; Jill Sites still had one more area to taste: Non-Alcoholic.
More recently, she has stepped into a National role with Betty Buzz, Blake Lively’s line of “Mix it or Fly Solo” non-alcoholic mixers. While this industry’s lifestyle is known to take its own toll, Jill has found her own path and as of this interview, celebrates more than 300 days of sobriety.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Molly makes delicious n/a drinks in Seattle. With her history in coffee, she finds new and expressive ways of bringing creative drinks to people. It was so nice chatting with her about the importance of finding your own words as you forge your own path. It's fascinating to find similarities in these conversations, but I am equally as interested in the things that make our journeys unique. I enjoy the gentleness that Molly brings to the conversation about sobriety, I liked hearing about the way her partner has been supportive, and the person she's become since making that change over six years ago. I keep discovering the clichés within these talks, but they are clichés for a reason. Whatever we need to hear, however we need to say it until it makes sense to us. Thank you Molly for sharing the light you shine on your own path of sobriety, and for keeping it bright enough for others to see.
Molly Flynn is a community organizer and sober home mixologist. She has a passion for giving folx access to non-alcoholic beverage options and believes these options serve as a valuable (and delicious!) tool for anyone choosing to reduce or omit alcohol from their diet. As a queer woman, Molly is particularly interested in supporting the LGBTQIA+ community, which is statistically more vulnerable to addiction and substance abuse.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Dre is passionate about bartending. His work at Clavel in Baltimore brings a deep love and understanding for Mezcal, hospitality, and forward-thinking cocktails. The way he speaks of n/a drinks is one of inclusion and precision. It was exciting to chat about where the industry and the world are at with no proof offerings, how he's changed his mindset since giving up alcohol, and what's next all around. Thanks for your time and your story, Dre.
Dre Levon is a New York-born Baltimore-raised bartender. He’s the Bar Director of Clavel Mezcaleria, where he has worked for the past 7 years since its inception. He and his team have been nominated for a pair of James Beard Nominations and are enthusiasts for the good mezcal, Mexican food, and their cultural/agricultural inroads.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I'm lucky to know Dave Conway. We met when we were both working for a distillery, I, a bartender for the attached restaurant, and Dave one of the distillers. We hit it off with our similar sense of humor and quickly created a weekly Instagram show called 'Distilling with Dave!" that included brief bonehead check-ins that were hilarious albeit not helpful to actual distillers. One day in September Dave seemingly disappeared. When he returned he had stories of strokes, a heart attack, and the road to recovery. In this scare he found sobriety, and now we also share that. Check out my conversation with an old pal who went from not wanting to fall asleep for fear of not waking up, to celebrating each morning and being thankful for the day. I love you, Dave. I'm glad you're here.
Dave is one of the former distillers at Watershed Distillery. He is currently working on a degree in Psychology with the goal of helping those who have gone through life-changing events.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Episode segments
Sasha was open as she told me about her decision to leave alcohol behind. Getting to hear about her past, and how she came up as a chef was illuminating, but what really struck me was the way she talked about the future. The way she communicates with staff, the way conversations are changing, and the respect every individual gets along the way. I really appreciate her honesty, and for sharing her story as she navigated early stages, and what it felt like to decide to stop drinking in a pandemic.
Chef Sasha Grumman is a Houston based Private Chef and Chef/Owner of her focaccia business, Sasha’s Focaccia. Most recently, she was a contestant on Bravo’s hit TV show, Top Chef Season 18, which filmed in Portland, Oregon. Her style of cooking is California inspired with Italian influences, all while using the best Texas products she can find!
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Chatting with Sarah was such a delight. She embodies physical and mental strength learned as she began her sober journey. There's also orchestrated poetry about her. The way she described finding her higher being or the importance of being who she is today is delivered with such honesty. Her story is fascinating to hear, and I really appreciate her taking the time to walk me back to the struggles she faced, and the person she got to become in sobriety.
Sarah is an Oregon Pinot Noir winemaker who has been sober since 2/24/2016. She lives with her partner and two German Shepherds. Sarah spends her free time playing semi-pro women’s football, gardening, and hiking.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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about the guest:
A wild gal turned sober-curious, Fay Behbehani is a London native living in Los Angeles, and a beverage entrepreneur in both the alcoholic and the non-alcoholic space. As former head of marketing for a California-based brain tech company, she discovered her passion for natural stimulants, plant medicine and their therapeutic properties for mental and physical optimization. This was catalyzed during her time as the co-founder of Uncle Ed’s Damn Good Vodka where she became sober-curious in 2018 on a meditation retreat in Northern California and realized that drinking culture needed a radical shift. Harnessing her breadth of experience, whilst indulging in her passion for all things beverage, wellness and plant medicine, she founded bonbuz, setting out to revive the spirits industry and what it means to drink together in the modern age.
about the brand:
from the first sip to the morning after - bonbuz brings you a deep sense of resonating nostalgia - that stress-free heart flutter you had before adult-xiety took over.
where to get it:
bonbuz.com
what I slurped:
I tried both the OG and the Slowburn!
more info:
bonbuz is a truly unique slurping experience with both bottles. They mix really well, and promote an exploratory fun personality in their branding and taste. Be on the lookout for what is coming down the pipeline from them!
about the guest:
Jason founded Casamara Club back in 2018, because he was tired of non-alcoholic drinks that tasted like an afterthought. He grew up in New England, spent his 20s in New York City, and now lives in Detroit.
about the brand:
The project started in my kitchen, building up a collection of dozens of homemade botanical extracts; learning to blend and make bitters and amaro; and eventually creating the recipes for our original lineup of leisure sodas to remind me of Italian vacations and leisurely happy hours. Those kitchen recipes are the same recipes you can drink today.
where to get it:
https://www.casamaraclub.com/
what I slurped:
I've tried the core four (alta, onda, como, sera) and recently tried the news cans (isla, and flora) They all have a special place and time for, and can often be found in my fridge!
more info:
I was a huge fan of bitter flavors when I was drinking, and was hard pressed to find them once I removed alcohol from my life. Casamara Club excited my palate and offerings from first sip!
about the guest:
Alex developed a specialty in Hospitality, Food & Beverage - advising many of the UK’s leading brands. It was here - while working on a project for one of the UK’s largest bar chains - that he discovered the vast shortcomings in the mixer category and came up with the idea for AVEC.
Growing up in the UK, but of Australian & Canadian heritage - he has always been obsessed with flavor. Always mobile and exploring new foods and cultures - Alex loves to cook and will talk excitedly about food and ingredients - especially those in AVEC.
about the brand:
Bored with the uninspired mixers they'd been using in their cocktails, Denetrias 'Dee' Charlemagne and Alex Doman decided to switch things up.
A Bronx native, Harvard alum and former Ad Executive, the only mixology Dee had known was in the kitchen of her Harlem apartment.
A former F&B strategy consultant, UK native Alex Doman was working for some of the UKs leading hospitality chains bored with the monotony of Gin + Tonics at any bar he frequented.
After a lot of trial and error, the two brewed up something impressive: AVEC, mixers that are made with 80-90% less sugar, flavored with real juice and botanical extracts rather than so-called "natural flavors," and are just as tasty with alcohol as they are solo - in flavors like Jalapeño & Blood Orange, Hibiscus & Pomegranate, and Yuzu & Lime.
where to get it:
https://avecdrinks.com/
what I slurped:
I loved the Hibiscus & Pomegranate, and the Grapefruit & Pomelo!
more info:
These drank really well on their own over ice with some citrus in the glass, and also added a great pop of flavor and effervescence to some n/a drinks I made for some friends!
Madison sent me a message on instagram following an article I was featured in on TheKitchn in January of 2020. That article was my first time speaking publicly about my journey with sobriety, so it felt strange that my story would resonate with someone. It’s been a privilege to ride along via social media on Madison’s journey as she’s such an inspiring voice and advocate for herself.
I can’t thank you enough for opening up and sharing your story, and I’m excited to see what’s to come for you.
After exiting the bar/service industry, Madison has reinvented herself professionally and otherwise. A creative at heart, she's working as an Account Executive at a Creative Agency, spending her free time writing & recording music, reconnecting with personal passions, and finding her purpose.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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The aforementioned kitchn article. https://www.thekitchn.com/no-drinking-alcohol-review-my-healthy-22978519
My chat with Andrew reveals what is possible in a kitchen with communication and understanding. Brought up through the old school kitchens, Andrew now leads a staff through positivity and creating a work environment people are excited to arrive to. Andrew recently celebrated 5 years sober, a milestone he's able to celebrate in Asheville, a place he calls home. I really appreciate him taking the time to chat with me about where he was when he decided to make the change, and the person he gets to be each day.
Andrew McLeod is the Executive Chef at Avenue M in Asheville NC. The laid back approach to an elevated neighborhood restaurant is due to his extensive experience throughout some of the most exciting food markets in the U.S. He credits Joshua Skenes (Saison, Angler) Michael Tusk (Quince, Cotogna, Verjus), and Sean Brock (Joyland, Audrey, The Continental) as his mentors. He’s passionate about creating a fun, positive, and supportive kitchen culture as much as he’s passionate about good food.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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Chatting with Hope was a splash of effervescence. She brings such positivity to what is possible in a life without alcohol. Like me, she doesn't preach that everyone must become sober to enjoy life to the fullest, but that you should at least be looking at your relationship with alcohol. Hope lives in NYC and it was exciting to hear about the ways that she enjoys her city, and how she gets to show up in it. After becoming alcohol-free, Hope began doing open-mic stand-up comedy, that sentence was enough to give me chills when I heard it in this episode. If you've never performed stand-up comedy, it's an activity that many people will tell you can only be performed with some 'Liquid Courage.' It's so good to hear that Hope enjoys it, and is doing it authentically.
Hope Woodard is a 25-year-old social media strategist and content creator based in Brooklyn, NY. When not working, she loves riding her bike around the city, practicing her comedy chops at an open mic, and taking walks around McCarren Park. She's been alcohol free since October 10, 2021, and hopes to continue down this path so that she can keep learning more about herself, experiencing life at full capacity, and investing in those around her with full authenticity.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I was excited to chat with Josh because of all the buzz I've seen around him and his cafe in San Francisco. His reviews of n/a drinks on his youtube page brings a fresh voice, and a seasoned palate to some of the exciting items coming down the pipeline. He was a hoot to talk to when we chatted about the enrichment our lives possess in a life free of alcohol, and he was an inspiration in hearing about what is possible in the n/a drink space. This episode has great tips and talking points for those looking for what to drink now that they are not drinking, or how to start your journey in creating space on your menu for n/a drinks. Thanks for the time, Josh, excited to see what you do next.
Check him out on Instagram: @joshthenonalcoholic @ocean.beach.cafe or on his youtube page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN-9g-8Tb-iD74qHtT-0nug
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
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I recently learned of Ashley Mac through an interview I read on https://drinkbaijiu.com/ where she spoke with such excitement about the category and the industry that it was inspiring to see someone thriving in the industry while sober. During our conversation I was floored to hear so many parts of my own story being told back to me. Starting life in the industry at 15 in a corporate restaurant, stopping drinking at 29, and the ways we're able to truly live life now that we're sober. I really can't thank her enough for sharing her story here, and I'm in awe of the growth she's able to experience. I'm so happy for you, Ashley.
Ashley Mac or Amac is a Baltimore-based bartender. As the Bar Manager and AGM of NiHao, a modern, but traditional Chinese restaurant, Mac spends her time learning about and creating her Baijiu-centered bar program. Mac also prides herself with well thought out and cared for spirit-free options at her bar, as she is a sober bartender.
Amac is also a Program Director of HEARD Baltimore, a non-profit organization for hospitality workers who are struggling with mental health or sobriety, and helps run HEARD Online, a weekly online mental health check-in for industry workers Monday nights via Zoom. For more information check out iheardyou.org
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I had seen the label for Slow Luck begin showing up in feeds from some bartender friends but didn't know much about this new n/a spirit launched in Austin. I was excited to chat with owner Tacy Rowland to understand more about how this no-proof product borne of Austin with a bartender's flavor profile came to be. It's always exciting to see new products join the already delicious and inventive n/a space, and I can't wait to see what Slow Luck does next.
Tacy Rowland has been a part of the Austin bar community since 2009. Inspired by the talented bar and restaurant community-based in Austin, she fell in love with the world of bartending and hasn’t looked back since. She has been awarded Austin’s Best Cocktail Bartender, traveled nationally and internationally representing her community in various cocktail competitions, was the winner of Speed Rack Denver, and has been mentioned in Forbes, StarChefs, Imbibe, Southwest Airlines Magazine, Beverage Media Group, and GQ in addition to local publications. Rowland served as the General Manager of the lauded speakeasy Midnight Cowboy in Austin from 2016-2018, and then as the Creative Bar Director for Alamo Drafthouse. While being furloughed due to Covid-19, Rowland and fellow bartender Sam Abdelfattah saw opportunities in the non-alcoholic beverage space and founded Slow Luck. Partnering with a local distiller, Mike Groener, after months of distilling, experimenting, and blending, Slow Luck became a reality.
Slow Luck is Austin’s first distilled non-alcoholic spirit alternative. With notes of citrus, ginger, coriander, and a slightly spicy finish of Texas chilies, Slow Luck is easily substituted 1:1 for any clear spirit in traditional cocktails and provides the perfect starting palate for new cocktail creations.
Follow them on Instagram @slowluckbev to see the latest, or check out their website https://slowluckbev.com/
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I was thrilled to chat with JdB after the monumental years he had with 2020 and 2021. More than that, I've always found him to have such an inclusive outlook on the industry, and a fascination with that his voice brings to the overall conversation. Interviewing someone with the number of accolades his bio holds is always intimidating, but his warmth, grace, and hospitality made for a great conversation. In this episode, I chat with JdB about his decision to not drink alcohol in 2020, why he chose to create Proteau, and the future on the n/a space.
John deBary is a 10-plus year veteran of New York City’s bar and hospitality industry, starting out as a bartender at PDT before going on to become the Momofuku restaurant group’s first corporate bar director. In 2018 he left Momofuku to write a cocktail book, Drink What You Want, founded Proteau, a zero-proof botanical drinks company, as well as co-founded Restaurant Workers’ Community Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to improving quality of life for laborers in the hospitality industry. He’s also Food52’s first resident drinks expert where he hosts a monthly YouTube show.
As a freelance journalist, he has bylines in Bon Appetit, Thrillist, GQ, Food & Wine, and PUNCH, and he occasionally moonlights as a drinks and hospitality consultant for private and corporate clients.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
Like all good discoveries, I found Al's NA Beer on Instagram. The logo, the white can, it all beckoned to be drank in a dive bar. Learning more about the founder Alban, a European who worked in music and nightlife I discovered our passion for the dive bar and the feeling of finding quiet and resolve in yourself. Alban's alcohol-free lifestyle began similarly to mine, it was a pause met with an inventory of the self and how living life without it would ultimately be better in every way except for maybe going to bed earlier. I was happy to learn that Alban is also a runner, and I look forward to the day that we can run in Central Park, and crack an Al's after.
Alban spent almost 20 years working in the Arts & Music industries in London and New York. It included a stint as Art Ambassador for Absolut Vodka, one of the world's largest spirit companies. A few years ago, he decided to see what life could be without drinking and he hasn't looked back. This led him to launch AL's; a classic American non-alcoholic craft beer to enjoy all of life's social and celebratory moments without alcohol.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
My friend Ru sent me a message that said "Hey dude. I don't know this guy personally but he's THE pizza guy on the beach in Queens" about Sean so I was immediately intrigued. I sent a message soon after and immediately connected with Sean's positivity. Join us for this uplifting chat about sobriety within the industry, how being kind to yourself will lead to kindness elsewhere, and find out what Sean's favorite slice and sip combo is.
Born and raised in Rockaway Beach, NY Sean Aiken has recently returned home with his wife and their young child, bringing a passion for creating pizza and a desire to help build community. Follow him on Instagram @seanypizza or head to www.seanyslices.com
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I spent a couple of years on the Columbus comedy circuit as a stand-up before I discovered my love for performing video and sketch comedy (which find their way into my life in small doses these days.) While in this scene I learned of Sumukh. His mild-mannered delivery drew me in, and he quickly became one of my local favorites. He always carried an air of distinction and charm; he struck me as the level-headed deeper thinking comedian in a room full of cheap beer-pounding knuckleheads. Since leaving comedy I've followed along with Sumukh's journey on social media where I read his essays on his sobriety and the changes that could be made to the comedy scene. Sumukh takes comedy seriously which is why he's been good at it for so long. While I'm no longer in the back hall during an open mic cracking jokes with Sumukh I'm lucky to have him in running, sobriety, and light-hearted conversation. Thank you, Sumukh!
Sumukh Torgalkar is a stand-up comedian who resides in the mountains of Northern Colorado after having lived in Columbus and Los Angeles. He performs anywhere from independent stages to comedy clubs to colleges to corporate events. Tracks from his album are played regularly on SiriusXM's Laugh USA and subscribe to his YouTube channel (youtube.com/SumukhTorgalkar) to help grow his mild popularity.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I was so excited to learn of Becca and to hear more about what she was doing in the n/a distilling world. She has such a compelling story, and an energy for the future that I found inviting and intriguing. Becca brought an intentionality toward bartender communication efforts to the conversation that was fascinating and respectful toward those pouring and those enjoying. In this conversation we chat about Becca's own journey with sobriety, the changes she'd like to see made in the way we order n/a drinks, and what is in her future through distilling and product development. Thanks for your time, energy, and eye on positive change, Becca!
Becca grew up on a farm in rural Kentucky, then moved to New York where she spent the first 10 years of her career in strategy consulting. Two years ago, she left her job to create better and more inclusive options for individuals who don't drink alcohol (always or occasionally). When not working on ALT Distilling, Becca is making art, taking on overly ambitious home projects, or hanging out with her parti-poodle, Charlie.
Follow along on Instagram @nkdldy
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
Nick entered my life through marriage. He became my cousin through that, but through the changes we were both applying to our lives he became my brother. Nick is a symbol of strength both mentally and physically for myself, for others, and for his family. I'm thrilled that he was able to take the time to tell his story and to unravel some of the tools he uses to set himself up for success. He strives to be a little bit better each day, and his enthusiasm for crushing goals makes me want to be better every time I see what he's doing. Follow his story and workouts on Instagram @thenickmundy
Nick Mundy is from Cincinnati, OH— 31, married, and has three sons. He has an insatiable appetite for challenging himself and is currently on a vulnerable journey of holistic self improvement. Professionally, he works for a Fortune 500 company in a leadership position. His tolerance for adversity is elite as he is a survivor of Autoimmune Disease, Heart Disease, Cancer, and Addiction/Alcoholism. Nick believes with the right mindset and hard work, anything you dream of can be accomplished.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I learned of Yellowbird Foodshed at the beginning of lockdown when I went from cooking maybe twice a week to cooking 2-3 times a day. Their local features and respect they show toward Ohio farmers was intriguing enough to bring me in, and the quality and focus on food changed the way I eat. When I learned of the owner, Benji, his sobriety story and focus on wellness was something that really resonated with me. His outlook on self-improvement was one of the conversations that reignited my own passions in taking care of myself. I hope you find this chat as invigorating as I did.
Benji Ballmer founded Yellowbird Foodshed in 2013 and has been fighting to decentralize the food system ever since.
He's the father of 4, husband of 1, and is addicted to self-improvement.
Right now he lives by 2 quotes...
- "Let them that see the need, consider themselves the ones called to meet that need."
and
- "The cave you fear to enter, holds the treasure you seek."
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
To order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I learned of Jenn through our mutual friend and previous No Proof guest Heidi B. Since following her on social media, and even participating in her weekly Happier Hour, I learned of one of the strongest people I've ever met. In this episode, we chat about coaching, physical fitness, and how you can't fully achieve your goals unless you stop to listen to yourself.
Jenn Linck, owner of SoberFIT Wellness, LLC, is a certified personal trainer, healthy habit coach, and nutrition strategist who made the life-changing decision to live alcohol-free in January 2020. Jenn believes strongly that alcohol does not belong in fitness and that we can have just as much, if not more, fun and freedom when we decide to ditch the drinks.
To learn more about Jenn, check out here website https://soberfitwellness.com/
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
For the twentieth episode of No Proof, I am joined by Nick Hogan and Michael Toscano to chat about brand work. A commitment and position within the restaurant industry that has, in my experience, drawn the most jeers. I've heard more often than not that being a face of a brand cannot be done as a sober person. Nick and Michael are shining examples that it is possible, and it can be done well. Nick represents Angel's Envy, and until recently, Michael represented Woodford Reserve. In this episode, you'll hear about how their mindsets change in their roles as they became sober, how the companies they represented supported them, and the advice they have for those who are curious.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I have been lucky enough to call Megan Leigh Barnard a friend for over a decade now. She's a talented photographer who has captured many transitions/characters/ and times in my life. When I received the text that she was considering getting sober I couldn't reply fast enough. This is a caring, special, and wonderful conversation between two friends as I learn what it took for her to make the decision to stop being and what she's discovered along the way. Thank you for your time, your passion, and your story Megan Leigh.
Megan Leigh Barnard is a Queer, nature-loving, Lifestyle Portrait Photographer. Photographing people, exploring the natural world and finding ways to connect to her higher self are amongst her biggest passions. She is also the Co-Founder of Creative Babes, which exists to explore the human experience through intimate, themed quarterly events.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
My chat with Heidi was a thrilling look into how sobriety is taken into account in a relationship. We chat about what it takes to focus on yourself to become Relationship Ready. "Relationship Ready is a candid and unabashedly human portrayal of my journey from broken to better and in it, I provide an outline for other women to embark on their own journeys. It’s a must-read for any woman out there who wants more." -Heidi
Your path of sobriety will often include others, and talking to people like Heidi I learn the importance of staying true to self and fostering the best possible you that gets to shine within your relationships.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friendsis to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
For more info on the book/the podcast/private coaching & more head to heidibcoaching.com
Chatting with Hailey was a great reminder of what we get to keep when we give up alcohol. We chatted about the worrisome moments of wondering what you're going to lose when you quit drinking, and how we flipped the script to be about what we get to keep. Hailey talks about being a party girl at heart, and her closet full of costume, and how none of that high energy, fun, igniting personality was tied to alcohol. Hailey is fun all on her own and gets to be every day. Thank you for the reminder Hailey, that we get to be who we really are, and work on that best version of ourselves daily when we give up alcohol. Life is something we get to do.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
My chat with Kate(@cascadiacowgirl)was rich and fulfilling. Her career in the industry has spanned many roles pathways and cities. Her lifestyle changed from NYC to Seattle and in this conversation, we talk about those changes that impacted her life, and the decisions she made to get to where she is now. It was so nice to hear of the intention of place, and presence that she places herself in. Over and over I find in these conversations that those that are placed in a hospitality role bring care and kindness to others, and are sometimes late to do the same for themselves (myself included.) It is never too late to bring the same energy and caring demeanor that you reserve for others into your own space. Kate, thank you for sharing your time and your story.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
Chatting with Bjorn was as refreshing and effervescent as seeing the drinks he posts on his Instagram. (@kingbjornce) A common theme I come across in these conversations is the pause that those in the industry face when they make the decision to become sober in hospitality. Learning a little bit more about the mindset, and the pathway of thinking about what it means to turn and face the industry instead of cutting and running further amplifies the importance of being a beacon for those having similar feelings. Seeing those in the industry who were sober at the time when I needed it made me twist my feet, stick it out, and learn ways to give back to hopefully contribute to a growing and healthy hospitality industry.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I was excited to chat with Jim because his excitement and knowledge of wine were used to set the discipline in himself for becoming sober. As the owner of Ça Va in Kansas City, Jim is surrounded by wine yet has found a way to continue sharing in his passion without partaking.
Founded in 2016, the mission of Ben's Friends is to offer hope, fellowship, and a path forward to anyone who struggles with substance abuse or addiction. By coming together, starting a dialogue, and acknowledging that substance abuse cannot be overcome by isolation and willpower alone, Ben's Friends hopes to write a new chapter in the lives of food and beverage professionals across the country.
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
Chef Philip Speer has a background of awards, dishes, and accolades that span his lengthy tenure in the kitchen, but it is what he does in the streets of Austin, TX that really inspires me. The Comedor Run Club named after his restaurant is reinventing the way the industry can look at time spent together, the post-shift, and the pre-shift. Pumping out the miles has brought his team closer together and even attracts the attention of runners both in and out of the industry from around the country. To learn more, check out their website or follow them on Instagram. @comedorrunclub
https://comedorrunclub.com/
to order my n/a enamel pin from Mover & Shaker, head to tinyurl.com/4fm6r9v6
I've known Andy Smith for some time due to us both working in restaurants in Columbus. In the time that I've gotten to know Andy, I've discovered how lucky we are to have him in our city. In this frank, heavy, curse-ridden conversation we chat about working programs, going it alone, and how to access help along the way. Andy founded the Columbus chapter of Ben's Friends and is always available.
https://www.bensfriendshope.com
andy@sobrietyshaken.com
I came across an article written by Lucie via Tracksmith x METER about her track to sobriety and the importance of running. I was quickly inspired by the strength applied to running, the mental toughness it takes to navigate the past self while running with the present, and the compassion she displayed for herself. In this episode, Lucie and I chat about the difference between running to your future self and running away from the old self. I appreciate Lucie sharing her story with me, and I hope all of you enjoy it as much as I did. I've included the mentioned article for further reading.
https://journal.tracksmith.com/sober-in-the-city
Michael Toscano was my first guest. Since our first recording, I've learned a lot more about putting together a podcast, and the two of us have learned a lot more about our sobriety. Join me as we catch each other up on our growth, as well as our stumbling blocks. Thanks for spending time with me Michael, looking forward to the next time.
Reach out to Michael via Instagram @themichaeltoscano
In this episode, I have a conversation with Rachel DelRocco Terrazas, who has just recently celebrated one year of sobriety. Through her story I was able to relive some of my more difficult moments as we chat about what outgrowing your old self can feel like. I thank Rachel for spending time with me to tell her story and congratulate her just the same.
I'm joined in this episode by Alex Langille by way of the U.K. who I met after he had listened to my conversation with Jack McGarry. It was a pleasure chatting with Alex who is currently re-embarking on a journey of obtaining his Master's in Clinical Psychology, reading, and running in the English countryside. This conversation was a first for No Proof as after extensive meditations, and the use of therapy; Alex has been able to integrate alcohol back into his lifestyle with intention. It is my goal to have conversations with individuals from every corner of the world of sobriety and to not speak in absolutes. I thank Alex for sharing his story, and for adding a new perspective to the journey that is No Proof.
Books mentioned in this episode:
1) Susan Cain - Quiet - The Power of Introverts In A World That Can’t Stop Talking.
2) Brene Brown - Daring Greatly
3) Jordan Peterson - 12 Rule for Life - An Anecdote to Chaos
In this episode, I'm joined by Jack McGarry from his bar the Dead Rabbit in New York City. As an avid runner himself, we chat about how running helped to develop discipline and a learning mind. Jack chats about his story of sobriety and recovery as we both look back on the clarity we've gained during our journey. Mentioned in this episode is Atomic Habits by James Clear and I Swear I'll Make It Up To You by Mishka Shubaly.
For this episode, I had a conversation with Laura Lashley, the National Education Manager for Seedlip. Seedlip was the first non-alcoholic distillate I found, and I've been enjoying it ever since! We chat about Dry January, how to continue those efforts beyond the month, and the state of the restaurant industry as far as consumption is concerned. For recipes, and up to date happenings with the seedlip brand make sure to follow Laura, and the brand accounts on Instagram.
Laura: @liquid_lash
Seedlip North America: @seedlip_na
Seedlip UK: @seedlipdrinks
As part of a special Mindfulness Matters episode presented by Perrier, I have a chat with my friend Brandon Bir who is the director of sustainability for Crimson Cup here in Columbus, Oh. We talk about sobriety, the importance of coffee to a community, and options for Dry January.
After completing her 300hr Yoga Teacher Training, I chat with Ashley about the importance of the self, focusing on your breath, and how discovering yourself can lead to many more enlightening revelations. This episode focuses on the physicality of sobriety, and what moving your body and listening to yourself can uncover.
In this episode, I have a fun and lively conversation with Nick and Shannon of Mover & Shaker. Their pins, shirts, and barware can be found wherever there's a bartender making delicious drinks. The two of them have navigated bar management, brand ambassadorship, and the day to day dealings of owning a business all while sober, listen along to hear their story.
In this episode, I share a phone call with Josh Harris of San Francisco. We discuss his path of sobriety, the leader of the industry he's become since then, and his advice for someone looking to take that first step. Josh is a titan of the industry, and it was my privilege to speak with him.
In this episode, I share a phone call with Michael Toscano, a husband, and brand ambassador who is now 14 months sober. We talk about our experiences in the industry, and how the fast paced world behind the bar offers little chances to stop and reflect.
No-Proof: A path into mindfulness, sobriety, and health by someone navigating their own journey. There’s No-Proof like the present.