People in their 50s and 60s are wondering what they're going to be doing for the next 20, 30, 40 years..
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Tamara Loring: I mean, once again, you know, when we speak to so many of the, um, great people we get to interact with, you know, whether we're speaking to people who are in their fifties or maybe heading in their sixties. I mean, they're still young and vital. They're wondering what they're gonna be doing for the next 20, 30, 40 years so to speak. But they're saying that, you know, that they almost have to dumb down their resumes because their experience, um, the expertise is actually, um, a liability. It's not a benefit. So even though ageism, or discrimination is illegal, right, they're definitely facing it for sure. Right. So, yeah. You know, so that's what maybe the older population is experiencing..
But I mean, you guys tell me you're the younger ones too. I mean, do any of your cohorts think that they're gonna stay with a company for 10, 20, 30 years? And even if they get a job, how long are they able to keep it?
Reflecting Back.. to when I was a child going to school.. and what it meant to get a job.
TranscriptTamara Loring: Just reflecting back to.. to when I was a child going to school, I remember teachers telling us, you know, "You need to work hard, you need to study hard because you know, you want to be able to go and get that amazing job." Right? And, um, how many of our parents may have even said similar things. And, um, so, so you grow up thinking. It's a job that you want, but to what end? You were saying that, you know, it's like sometimes you dedicate your life to a job and at a whim, the economy could change. You may have an amazing employer, but they don't have any control over whether they can even afford to give you a job or whether they can even stay in business. I mean, imagine at that kind of pressure. So, um, you know, I, I feel like we we're following a dream that's actually a myth because is it the job that we're after? Or is it something greater than that? So if we think that it's security, while certainly we've already spoken about the fact that a job may or may not be able to offer you security, certainly not something that, um, um, like what our parents were accustomed to, where maybe you put in 10, 20, 30 years with a job and you can actually retire with a pension. I mean, pension plans are something of the past. Absolutely. And, you know, even the other realities that we've been hit with, um, you guys are maybe a little bit young to remember, but when we went through the great recession, 2007, 2008, I'm still speaking to some of, um, our clients that are still recovering from that, where their reactive investments.. Yeah.. the 401ks, their pensions they're retirement um, oh, the money for retirement turned into what they jokingly said into 2 0 1 Ks.. Mm-hmm.. So imagine the last 10 years they were trying to just rebuild to get to where they were.. Yeah.. and now, you know, we, we faced the pandemic and many people are feeling like they're starting over and over again. So, you know, those are some of the realities. Of the career revolution that we're facing, that it feels like you're working, working, working, but are you actually stuck in this hamster wheel? Are you actually getting ahead? And you know, one of the other trade offs you were talking about too, is maybe you're investing time, and you're doing it and you're not seeing your family grow up or, you know, um, you're not able to invest the quality time you want there, so where's the balance in that.. Yeah.. or even worse yet, you know, maybe you're investing all this time working on somebody else's dream.. Absolutely.. versus your own dream.
The Job Market Changes So Fast, It's A Revolution Of Sorts.
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Tamara Loring: I mean, I think as we're all painfully aware, especially if we've lived here through the last few years that the job market has dramatically changed and it keeps on changing, at warped speeds mind you, right? So I wish I could say it's something that evolves very slowly, and you can think about it and adapt to it, but it really isn't the reality. It changes so fast that it's basically a revolution of sorts, right? So, that's what we mean by that.
More Than 19+ Years I've Been With T.E.S.
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Tamara Loring: 19 years... funny story about that when you said five years has been the biggest commitment. When I started here, I actually told Terry, "This is gonna just be a short term thing until I figure out what I'm gonna do when I grow up." And yes, 19 years later, I'm still loving it. And I so honored that I'm in charge of Ideology at this point in time, because like you were talking about Mindset, it's about it's everything and being part of the Possibilities Mindset and seeing so many Opportunities where so many people see none. I mean, it's just so empowering.