Both Are True: Recent Episodes
Odendaal Esterhuyse
Welcome to Both are True, a space where we look for the healthy memes in different world views so that we can boost our meta immune systems and heal some of this ancestral trauma we’re all carrying around in this post colonial, industrialised world that keeps getting warmer.
I'll be talking to spiritual thinkers, from indigenous spiritual practitioners to traditional catholic priests. Each interview will produce a multimedia package of content that I’ll share online on platforms like Apple Podcasts, Instagram and Youtube.
Ultimately, I want and need to heal and I think this will help me. But beyond that I, like many people, believe that calibrating our different world-views will promote peace in this world that seems to be ripping itself apart at the moment.
As above, so below.
Meet Olivia Krouwkam, a Tantric Mediator based in Cape Town. In this episode we relate on what it was like to grow up in a conservative (Afrikaans) community in South Africa and specifically, how we were raised to think about - and therefore experience sex. We speak about Tantra and how it can help us come into our truth, to overcome some of the painful emotions we might feel about our desires and sexuality. Olivia helped me see the potential for relationships, and eroticism to become spiritual experiences that can lead us towards liberation. Enjoy, and check out Olivia’s work with the links below:
https://www.oliviakrouwkam.com/
https://www.instagram.com/olivia_intruth/
Learn more about me and my work here:
https://www.odendaalesterhuyse.com/
In this episode I chat with Wilhelm Verwoerd, a leading researcher in the field of reconciliation, apology and more recently, “white work” in SA. He was a researcher in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and has since dedicated his life to exploring and facilitating forgiveness, apology and reconciliation.
Wilhelm is also the grandson of Hendrik Verwoerd, who is widely regarded as the architect of apartheid. He experienced this very unique incarnation of being born into a family at the political, social and spiritual center of apartheid, and then he managed to transcend the limitations of his cultural conditioning to become a leader in the field of reconciliation. For me, he provides us with a hopeful example of what white people in SA can do to finally start healing our own trauma as well as all the trauma we’ve caused with our heritage of slavery, colonialism and most recently, apartheid.
Links to some of Wilhelm’s work:
Books
Research Paper: Dismantling Whiteness
Research Paper: Black Christ
Link to my work
If you want to see some video content of future episodes you can follow me on:
Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/odendaal_esterhuyse/
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTKdvSj9PUW8N1iNK5IjSww
Learn more about Vuyiswa and her work here:
https://www.instagram.com/vuyiswax/
If you want to see some video content of future episodes you can follow me on:
Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/odendaal_esterhuyse/
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTKdvSj9PUW8N1iNK5IjSww
Learn more about Vuyiswa and her work here:
https://www.instagram.com/vuyiswax/
If you want to see some video content of future episodes you can follow me on:
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/odendaal_esterhuyse/
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTKdvSj9PUW8N1iNK5IjSww
Learn more about Vuyiswa and her work here:
https://www.instagram.com/vuyiswax/
If you want to see some video content of future episodes you can follow me on:
Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/odendaal_esterhuyse/
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTKdvSj9PUW8N1iNK5IjSww