Becoming Church: Recent Episodes
Kristin Mockler Young and Naeem Fazal
Becoming Church is a podcast where we discuss how the message and movement of Jesus is not just about becoming Christians but about becoming the Church.
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Lovely Palm had never left the country. Then she went to Uganda and found her sons and daughters. While her story is full of surprises and beautiful moments, there have also been some really devastating ones, which she shares with us in this episode. Lovelyn’s story is inspiring even if it doesn’t look like yours. Our hope is that it will help you see where God is present in yours, especially when it feels like He isn’t.
Lovelyn also educates us on the adoption system, how to talk to blended families, and things to consider when going to a developing country for adoption, travel or a mission trip.
If you need to talk to someone about a traumatic experience, here’s a list of national helplines that are available 24/7.
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Hospitality is not a gift that only certain people were given. Gentle hospitality is more about the way you live, which can be as simple as showing kindness to a stranger or taking care of the people around your table.
Liz Bell Young has a gorgeous book, “Let There Be Havens: An Invitation to Gentle Hospitality” that will show you how to find the things that wake up your soul…and then gift those same experiences to others.
Liz has the gift of seeing life through the lens of optimism while still looking the real world square into the face. This interview will help you exhale and find some peace even in the midst of a cluttered kitchen.
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Grab a copy of Liz’s book Let There Be Havens from our Becoming Church Resource List. It would also make a great gift hostess or housewarming gift!
Read Liz’s other beautiful words in the Magnolia Journal or Haven Magazine.
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Did you memorize Bible verses as a child for stickers, gold stars or chintzy prizes? Did you star as the lead role in a play or musical about Jesus? Did growing up in the church maybe accidentally teach you that God doesn’t need you to prove your worthiness or value…but He maybe wants you to?
Kim Stuart’s book Star for Jesus (And Other Jobs I Quit): Rediscovering the Grace that Sets Us Free will break the chains of religion and help you live in the free, undeserving grace of God that even the best of us can’t earn - because we really don’t have to.
This episode will teach you about doinks, use both hairspray and junior high dances as faith analogies, and will hopefully make you laugh until you cry (or cry until you laugh) just like the words in Kim’s book.
You get a gold star just for showing up, so all you have to do now is sit back and listen.
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If you like this episode, you’ll love Kim’s book Star for Jesus and Other Jobs I Quit. You can find it on our Book List along with other books from previous guests.
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To get the insider understanding on Nick Conolly and Mary Van Geffen (both mentioned in this episode), click their names to listen to their interviews on this podcast.
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If you’re intrigued by the idea that it’s not our job to save everyone, watch Kristin’s message: Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner. (Don’t worry, it’s not what you fear it is.)
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Whether you’re a worship leader or you make a joyful noise with your praise, award winning songwriter and producer KJ Scriven says there’s a place for your voice.
In this episode, KJ and Kristin scrutinize the ego of worship leaders, discuss how much lyrics matter and whether or not you should keep singing songs from churches that have gone through scandal.
BONUS: This interview took place on Juneteenth, and there’s a separate conversation available only on YouTube with KJ Scriven. You can find “Should Christians Celebrate Juneteenth,” and this entire conversation, on the MosaicChurchCLT page.
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Dig deeper into these scriptures:
Matthew 4
Ephesians 5
Revelation 4
Colossians 3
Nehemiah 10
Mark 1
Romans 10
Acts 2
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KJ on IG: @kjscriven
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With her appeal and humor spanning the range of middle school to middle age, everyone will feel seen in this episode with Jami Nato. She pulls no punches and covers it all from perimenopause to spooning with Jesus to her relationship with the fundamental church. You will laugh, you will cry and you might leave with emotional whiplash, but you will certainly not be bored.
As you listen, think about a woman in your life who’s just trying to “fake it til you make it” as she tries to discover her purpose. Then send her this episode so can hear from God through Jami’s words on self-compassion, taking up space and living freely without hiding.
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Grab Jami’s book This Must Be the Place: Following the Breadcrumbs of your Past to Discover your Purpose Today and other books mentioned on the Becoming Church resource list!
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For more Behind the Scenes, connect with Kristin on Instagram at @kristinmockleryoung and tag us when you share the show #becomingchurchpodcast
Pick a recent news headline and the chances are, you have feelings about it. There’s someone in your life that you’re struggling to love through disagreement. You’re about ready to quit on social media altogether because every post feels like a landmine.
Ashlee Eiland recognizes all of the tension and complexity that’s wrapped around politics, theology and current events of today’s world. But when it’s easier to turn a blind eye or disassociate, Ashlee wants to call out your God given voice and teach you how to use it.
This conversation pulls some practical tips from her book, Say Good, as Ashlee and Kristin talk about the power of words, and when and how to use them.
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Say Good by Ashley Eiland
The Becoming Church list of resources
WATCH:
How do you reflect Imago Dei?
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Ephesians 3
Isaiah 58
John 17
2 Timothy 1
Ezekiel 37
Ephesians 4
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Ashley on IG: @ashlee_eiland
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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People can change, even the difficult ones. This is a fundamental belief of Shannan Martin, mostly because of the changes she’s seen in her own life. She went from a teen with the burden to “save the poor” to a candidate for City Council, actively creating change for her own neighbors to enrich the community she lives in.
Author of Start with Hello and The Ministry of Ordinary Spaces, Shannan Martin has lived experience that changed the black and white, fundamental way she viewed people. In this conversation, she’ll teach us how to do the same so we can lean in to proximity instead of pushing away or being afraid of people who might influence us for the worse. ————
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Start with Hello by Shannon Martin
The Ministry of Ordinary Spaces by Shannan Martin
I Think You’re Wrong but I’m Listening by Sarah Stewart Holland Beth Silvers
All Things Reconsidered: How Rethinking What We Know Helps Us Know What We Believe
WATCH:
Be Salty and Lit
LISTEN:
Church and State: A Healthy Partnership with Rich Villodas
Learning Immigration Laws with Bri Strensrud
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Shannan on IG: @shannanwrites
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Humor and loss can coexist and Molly Stillman’s life shows us how in her memoir If I Don’t Laugh, I’ll Cry. After losing her mother, then squandering the quarter of a million dollar inheritance, life continued to bring experiences that made her both laugh and cry.
This episode explores how to have joy in the midst of grief, what God’s sense of humor is like, how to navigate complicated family relationships and how to focus on the people who choose to be in your life when others choose to walk away.
Content warning: As Molly shares her experiences, there is brief mention of death, depression, miscarriage - and vomit - but it’s also a really great conversation filled with hope, laughter and how to find joy in the midst of all of it.
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If I Don’t Laugh, I’ll Cry by Molly Stillman
Tired of Being Tired by Jess Connolly
WATCH:
Kristin’s message on being an axolotl
LISTEN:
Breathing through Grief with Dorina Lazo Gilmore Young
The Bible is Funny with Anthony Ramos
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Judges 3 (King Ehud’s violent bathroom break)
Proverbs 17:22
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Molly on IG: @stillbeingmolly
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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There are easy conversations. Then there are conversations you never thought you could have due to a lack of knowledge, information or understanding. Bri Strensrud is a human dignity advocate who helps Christians detangle immigration and refugee issues from politically partisan, dehumanizing narratives.
If you have a heart to help marginalized people but don’t know where to start in actively making a difference, this episode will meet you right at the intersection of fear and conviction with grace and compassion. Bri will help you better understand immigration as a human dignity issue and how you can seek out a holistic biblical perspective to know how God wants you to think about migrants.
Her book, Start with Welcome, is full of information and stories to bend your heart toward the marginalized people in your community as well as educational, practical things you can do to use your voice to make a difference.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Start with Welcome book
Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes
Evangelical Immigration Table
Women of Welcome
Sign up for a Borderland Immersion Trip
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Luke 10:29-37
Romans 15:7
1 Corinthians 13
John 5
John 15
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Bri on IG: @bri.stenz
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Diversity leads to disagreement, which leads to division. This is why it’s so much easier to go through life with people who look like, think like, vote like and believe like you do. But Pastor and author Rich Villodas challenges us to lean in to discomfort instead of letting fear keep us isolated.
Whether your conversations of tension happen in your family or your church, whether your conflict revolves around race, politics, social justice or sexuality, this conversation between 3 pastors leading diverse, multiethnic churches, will provide you with practical ways to stay engaged. Through curiosity, you can move away from emotional reactivity into conversations that protect your relationships with people you don’t agree with.
Share this episode with someone who believes a little bit differently than you as an invitation to a healthier, stronger relationship.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
When Naeem showed up to chat with Marty Solomon
Pre-Order Rich’s new book: The Narrow Path
Rich’s past books in our library
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RELATED RESOURCES:
Mosaic’s Mission unpacked
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Colossians 1:17
Psalm 139
1 Corinthians 12:27
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Rich on IG: @richvillodas
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Grief often brings up heavy feelings of sadness and pain but this conversation is filled with hope and restoration. If you are living with grief or you aren’t sure how to best support other people in your life who have experienced loss, you will find both practicals and permission to feel in this episode.
In a surprise story of unexpected loss and grief, Dorina Lazo Gilmore-Young had her faith put to the test when her husband was suddenly faced with a cancer diagnosis that he did not survive. She shares her experience on how God met her in her pain and how she grieved as a parent with grieving children who had also lost their father. This episode focuses on celebration and life, exploring the different ways people grieve based on their culture and proposing new ways of talking about death with children to remove fear and replace it with remembrance.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Breathing Through Grief
Chasing God’s Glory (grief for kids)
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RELATED RESOURCES:
Grieving Unexpected Loss
What Good is God when Life Hurts?
Healing Trauma with a Christ-Centered Therapist
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Psalms 34:18 MSG
Genesis 16:13
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Dorina on IG: @dorinagilmore
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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“Let Your Husband Love You” may have been the first words that drew attention to Kristen LaValley’s work, but she wants it to be known that her frontal lobe has fully closed since then. And she has new things to say.
In “Even if He Doesn’t,” Kristen wrote the lightest book on suffering there is. If you’re not sure if you’re angry at God or His people, if you believe God is real but you’re not sure if He’s good, if you’re afraid God is going to forsake you because of all the things you’re holding…she has some words for you.
Kristen bravely faces the much-warned-against slippery slope to face Christianese platitudes that leave you feeling worse instead of better to show where God is in present in your pain, even if He isn’t showing up the way you expected Him to.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Even if He Doesn’t
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RELATED RESOURCES:
Is there Hope after Church Hurt? with Jess Connolly
Broken Crayons Still Color with Toni Collier
What Good is God when Life Hurts with Amanda Held Opelt
Repentant Pastors for Change in the Church with Ben Cremer
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Kristen on IG: @kristen.lavalley
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Doubt isn’t the opposite of faith. If we lean in to it instead of running away in fear of where it could lead, it can actually be a gift that leads us to a more meaningful faith than we ever imagined.
Alexandra Hoover, author of Eyes Up and Without Wavering, has experienced a lot of resistance in her spiritual life. Through unexpected loss of close family members and church hurt on the side of vocational ministry, she has been left with unanswered prayers multiple times. Yet, she continues to see God’s hand in her life and believes in His bigger story.
This episode is for anyone who has experienced church hurt, doubt, questions or who wonders if their story is important enough to have an impact in the world.
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MENTIONS FROM THIS EPISODE:
AlexandraVHoover.com
Calling Academy
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
1 Corinthians 3
Acts 9
Hebrews 11
Ephesians 2
Philippians 2
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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“Once upon a time you had it all beautifully sorted out. Then you didn’t.” If these words of Sarah Bessey’s resonate at all, this episode is my gift to you. As a leading voice in the conversation around deconstruction, Sarah has years of experience navigating doubt, wrestling with questions and challenging The Church to become the best and truest version of itself.
Through her books like Jesus Feminist, Out of Sorts and her Evolving Faith Community, Sarah communicates care, inclusion and grace for anyone who is trying to figure out who God is, what the Bible actually means and what it really can look like to be Jesus followers.
Sarah’s newest book, “Field Notes for the Wilderness: Practices for an Evolving Faith” is out now and it is a guidebook for anyone who is wandering, even if your path is taking you away from The Church.
*The giftcard giveaway has ended.
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MENTIONS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Evolving Faith
Rachel Held Evans
Richard Rohr
Jeff Chu
Chanequa Walker Barnes
Barbara Brown Taylor
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
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Don’t you wish you had access to a little voice that always knew the right thing to say? Maybe an encouragement to motivate you, to help you stay persistent in the painful times and remind you why it’s important to keep going even when it’s hard? Nick Connolly can be that voice for you in this episode of Becoming Church.
Nick and Kristin both share some vulnerable stories of times they wanted to quit, in order to remind you that there is always hope on the other side. If you don’t feel strong enough, you don’t have to be. Because we can live in the tension of both “God will solve this” and “we might not see resolution this side of heaven.”
This is an episode on obedience, persistence and knowing God’s will with a little Ted Lasso thrown in for good measure. We’ll also give you a preview to Nick’s book “Don’t Give Up Just Yet: Choosing Persistence in a World of Resistance” and the bonus free gifts you get by preordering before February 6th!
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Don’t Give Up Just Yet
Jess Connolly’s episode on Church Hurt
Life School
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Galatians 6:9
Ephesians 3:20-21
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Nick on IG: @nconnolly
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Theologian, author and basketball enthusiast Joel Muddamalle knows a lot about the Bible but he shares his knowledge in a humble, approachable way like he often does in his Humble Theology newsletter and social media posts. In this conversation, you’ll hear Joel talk about his own struggle with pride and peace as well what he’s learned by being surrounded by women as one of the only men on staff at Proverbs 31.
You can also pre-order his upcoming book "The Hidden Peace: Finding security, strength and confidence through humility” and see if you agree with Kristin that it hurts your feelings.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Pre-Order for Bonuses
Women Preaching
Did Paul ban women from speaking?
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RELATED RESOURCES:
The Cost of Control with Sharon Miller
When there’s Not Peace on Earth
How to Approach Relationships
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Galatians 5
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Joel on IG: @muddamalle
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Continuous Improver, Tara Bremer, knows a thing or two about how to declutter and organize your home. If you’re looking for a way to clean out your physical space or reduce your mental load, this episode has tips to bring you peace in the new year. As the founder of House Peace, Tara is the perfect person to lead us in our efforts.
Tara and Kristin also take the theme of decluttering from our lived in homes to our lived in beliefs with a discussion on how to unlearn, relearn and declutter our faith. If you’re not sure what you believe, what to hold on to or what it’s okay to get rid of when it comes to your views on God, the Bible or the church, this episode will help you let go of the things that don’t define you anymore.
Keep scrolling down for mentioned links and additional related resources on deconstruction and what to do after you “donate” the things that don’t fit you anymore.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Find your Enneagram Style
Find Peace for your House
This is such a good box!
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RELATED RESOURCES:
Reimagine God: a series on unlearning and relearning God
Rebuild after Deconstructing
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Matthew 6:19-21
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Tara on IG: @tarabbremer
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Seriously what’s up with the Bible? Why are there so many translations? Is it literal? Is it metaphor? Did God write it or is he more of a co-author?
In this episode with Marty Solomon - and our special co-host Naeem Fazal - we take a look at the Bible from the Hebrew perspective, maybe as God intended it. Marty explains how scripture is supposed to be read, the mistakes we often face in our quiet times and what we can do to ask better questions of the text as we read.
If you’re not sure what to do with the Bible or you’re ready to try reading it again, you’ll find grace and insight in this episode. When you’re ready to dig deeper and think at a higher level, we can’t recommend Marty’s podcast, BEMA discipleship, enough. Until then, this conversation will meet you where you are with patience, guidance and practical application.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Asking Better Questions of the Bible
MartySolomon.com
The Bema Podcast
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RELATED RESOURCES:
How Can I Believe the Bible
Reimagine God: a series on unlearning and relearning God
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
SO MANY. Basically, just pick up your Bible. (But seriously, if you're looking for specific scriptures, Marty has many verses and additional resources linked up in each chapter of his book.)
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Naeem on IG: @naeemfazal
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Get ready to laugh as you listen because Toni Collier brings humor and hope to a conversation on darkness and pain. But, as Toni says “We’re going in every time” and that’s what happens in this honest conversation on owning our own brokenness.
This is an episode for victims of church hurt, people who are stuck going back to unhealthy familiar patters, people who are feeling forgotten by God and those who are tempted to think their sin isn’t that bad.
Listen for practicals then be sure to use the links below for more.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Brave Enough to be Broken
Broken Crayons Still Color (for kids!)
ToniCollier.com
Mosaic Resources
Everyday People
How to be The Church Monday - Saturday
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
2 Corinthians 12:9
Genesis 1:2
Luke 6:38
Acts 2:44
Galatians 5:22
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Toni on IG: @tonijcollier
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Are we allowed to admit when life is hard? When there are so many other heavy things happening, when other people are experiencing widespread devastation, when our lives on paper are pretty privileged…are we allowed to say we aren’t exactly finding the joy of the Lord as our strength?
In this interview, Amanda Held Evans talks about the emotional prosperity gospel: the belief that if we have enough faith, God will make us happy and give us emotional abundance in our careers, marriages and lives. She challenges some religious platitudes to show how we may be missing something as we chase after God’s perfect will or calling in our lives.
Grab a Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup or Sour Skittles out of the Trick-or-Treat bowl and get ready to lean in to a real conversation with real women who have real hurts. We hope you feel seen in your not-so-perfect life and we really hope you find permission to embrace your feelings without rushing through them to reach eternal positivity on the other side of your season.
Faith, after all, is choosing to say yes to the right question.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Holy Unhappiness
https://tinyurl.com/holyunhappiness
A Hole in the World
https://tinyurl.com/58uztd64
AmandaHeldOpelt.com
RachelHeldEvans.com
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Genesis 3
John 11
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ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:
Kristin’s message on Gratitude
https://tinyurl.com/4em6suth
TEDx talk: Fear and Beauty
https://tinyurl.com/bdebujma
What’s an Enneagram?
https://www.yourenneagramcoach.com/
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Amanda on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/amandaheldopelt/
Kristin on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/kristinmockleryoung/
Mosaic Church on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/mosaicclt/
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After leaving Pastoral ministry, David Docusen found himself once again leading an accidental home church that brought him back to pastoring. (The lucky people of Winston Salem, NC can attest to this being the right choice.)
Through his years of expertise as a pastor, author, professor and community advocate, David realized that ministry and evangelism really is simpler and more accessible than we sometimes make it in the church.
This conversation is for anyone who isn’t sure how to talk to other people about Jesus, feels ill equipped to share their faith or gets nervous thinking about the Holy Spirit and whatever gifts you’re supposed to have because of it. This episode of Becoming Church with David will feel like talking with a friend - and will hopefully leave you encouraged that you can go and do the same just as easily.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Neighborliness: https://tinyurl.com/2xnkvapp
Tomorrow and the Days to Come: https://a.co/d/e8ZeMfz
Read with a Friend: https://tinyurl.com/32fv5je3
https://daviddocusen.com/
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ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:
Spiritual Gifts test: https://spiritualgiftstest.com/
Enneagram assessment: https://tinyurl.com/yc2ryhmn
Sign up for X-factor at Mosaic: https://tinyurl.com/yuchycj2
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David on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/daviddocusen
Kristin on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/kristinmockleryoung/
Mosaic Church on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/mosaicclt/
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The word “power” brings a lot to mind. It’s often associated with other words like male, patriarchy, privilege or structure. It often overlooks the marginalized, minorities and people who don’t belong to majority culture. In this episode, Kristin talks with Cheryl Nembhard about how to recognize healthy and unhealthy systems of power in order to disrupt systems in the name of hope and restoration.
As an advocate for social justice, women in ministry, at risk youth, sex-trafficked people and the marginalized, Cheryl is a voice of hope for many who are overlooked in today’s culture. She is regularly an active part of See, Hear, Love on television, the Soulfood to Go podcast, Brave Canada and Women Speakers Collective.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
John 13:2-5
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Cheryl’s website: https://www.cherylnembhard.com/
Playing God by Andy Crouch: https://rb.gy/conlx
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Go ahead and save this episode now because it’s one you’re going to come back to. What started as a conversation on baggage and how to heal past wounds turned into free therapy for all of us. If you find yourself getting cynical or bitter from being disappointed by people - or you tend to sit in shame of your own disappointment - this episode will help you remember what’s true, and what’s in your control.
Ike Miller, co-pastor of Bright City RDU with his wife Sharon Hodde Miller, also shares a bit about his book, Good Baggage: How your Difficult Childhood Prepared you for Healthy Relationships. As the adult child of an alcoholic, he gives practical tips and steps for anyone who has experienced trauma through family addiction, abuse, illness or other inflicted wounds.
For additional conversations around healing past (or present) trauma, check out the resources and past episodes below.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Good Baggage book
IkeMiller.com
Nuuly (Kristin & Sharon’s clothing rental)
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ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:
Sharon Hodde Miller on Control
Kobe Campbell on Breaking Cycles
Tabitha Panariso on Healing Trauma
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Ike on IG: @ikefmiller
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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In anticipation of Hispanic Heritage month, Eli Bonilla, author of Mixed: Embracing Complexity by Uncovering Your God-led Identity, talks about how our identities are always comprised of a combination of things. He shares candidly about being both Mexican and Black, living as an African in descent but Latino in ethnicity, and how he struggled to know who he was or what people group to belong to…until he realized that a mixed background is common to everyone!
This episode for everyone who has ever felt like they’re wearing more than one label. Even if your ethnicity is easy to find listed on a form, your identity is still complex. Our social and cultural experiences also form who we are and mold us into the person we’re becoming.
Grab Eli’s book and check out more resources on identity, and Hispanic Heritage month, using the links below.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mixed: Embracing Complexity by Uncovering Your God-led Identity
No Other Label
Kristin's clay story
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
1 John 3:2
Matthew 22:36-40
1 Corinthians 9:20-22
Jeremiah 18
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Eli on IG: @elibonillajr
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Kayla Craig has a way with words that brings freedom and peace into even the most traumatic situations. Maybe it’s her journalism background, maybe it’s that she’s a real life mom to four kids of her own, maybe it’s the inspiration that comes from living in an old convent. Regardless, Kayla’s gift of language will give you words to borrow when you can’t find any that fit.
This episode is for parents, educators, caregivers and anyone who bears the weight of this back to school season. If you’re overwhelmed with all the fall brings or you feel like your life is being run by systems out of your control, take a deep breath and remember that you are more than the little people in your care. You matter and so does your peace. We hope you find some in these next 30 minutes as Kayla walks us through every season being sacred.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Pre-Order Every Season Sacred with bonus gifts - out September 19th
A prayer for the 1st Day of School
Meredith Anne Miller’s episode of Becoming Church
Mary Van Geffen’s episode of Becoming Church
Register for the Parenting Night with Meredith Miller
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Kayla on IG: @liturgiesforparents
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Is the world really divided? Is the church? Or are we becoming more and more integrated without even realizing it? Markus Lloyd has stepped off the TV set - at least momentarily - to focus on promoting unity and showing us how connected we really are.
In this conversation, Markus and Kristin talk about what churches can do to stop fighting against other churches, how church is making God boring and how to broaden our perspectives for better understanding of God and each other. This episode also explores White theology, Black theology and Womanist theology to find the truth of who God is and what scripture really says to all of us.
Share this episode with anyone who (mistakenly) thinks they’re living in a homogenous space where diversity and racial reconciliation don’t apply to their faith.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
John 17:20
Luke 15:11-32
Revelation 7:9
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Markus’ IMDB page
Threaded
Why are all the Black kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?
A Theological Commentary on Acts
Mark DeYmaz, co-founder of Mosaix Global Network
Online Small Groups for Reconciliation
Colored Commentary Podcast
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
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You may know Derwin Gray as a pastor, author or NFL player but do you know him as a TikTok dancer? Do you know what almost kept him from becoming the teacher and speaker that he is today?
In this episode of Becoming Church, Pastor Derwin of Transformation Church talks about his favorite title, explains why he doesn’t use tips or formulas in his preaching and reveals the magic behind his famous catchphrases…even making one up on the spot for Kristin!
This is a light, fun conversation that will point you to Jesus through stories, examples and analogies. If you need more resources on how to see Jesus in your everyday life, check out Mosaic’s resources or reach out to Kristin using the links below.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE
Romans 8:31
Colossians 3:2
Genesis 3:1
Matthew 4:4
John 5:39-40
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Derwin’s Books
Kobe Campbell’s episode: Why Am I Like This?
Transformation’s Flourish series
Mosaic’s Resource page
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Derwin on IG: @derwinlgray
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
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Social injustices, politics and public revelations are causing many Christians to take another look at their faith. For some, it’s resulted in an exit from the church. For many other believers, it’s a hard, painful process of trying to figure out what they believe and why.
In this episode, Kate Boyd, author of “An Untidy Faith: Journeying Back to the Joy of Following Jesus” shares her experiences of deconstructing and disentangling her beliefs as a guide for those who are just starting the process.
This is a conversation for anyone who wants to better understand Christianese language, where shaping ideas come from and how church culture has been created historically.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
An Untidy Faith book
KateBoyd.co
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Kate on Twitter: @TheKateBoyd
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE
John 14:2
1 John 4:18
Romans 12:15
Philippians 1:23-24
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
In Pursuit of Jesus by ODB
The Civil War as a Theological Crisis
Kristin gets called out on IG Live
Not Just for Me by Common Hymnal
Culture Making by Andy Crouch
Experience Voices
More Resources
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Rasool on Twitter: @RasoolBerry
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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What is Juneteenth for? Can only Black people celebrate it? In this interview with Rasool Berry, he explains the history of Juneteenth and addresses some common misconceptions people in majority culture often hold about Black Culture.
We invite you to listen with the spirit of invitation and understanding, especially if you find yourself wanting to react with defenses or justifications.
If you are a white person commited to becoming an ally, this converation will help you better understand how to support and celebrate collectively without accidentally becoming performative in your actions.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE
Leviticus 25:8-55
Matthew 7:22-23
Ephesians 6
Philippians 4:12-13
Philemon
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
RasoolBerry.com
Our Daily Bread
Rasool’s podcast, Where Ya From?
Juneteenth Documentary
Rasool’s CT article on the celebration of Juneteenth
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Rasool on IG: @RasoolB
Rasool on Twitter: @RasoolBerry
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE
Leviticus 25:8-55
Matthew 7:22-23
Ephesians 6
Philippians 4:12-13
Philemon
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
RasoolBerry.com
Our Daily Bread
Rasool’s podcast, Where Ya From?
Juneteenth Documentary
Rasool’s CT article on the celebration of Juneteenth
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Rasool on IG: @RasoolB
Rasool on Twitter: @RasoolBerry
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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There’s no question that many pastors in “White, Evangelical America” need to repent. But what about the ones not caught up in scandal or abuse? This vulnerable conversation between Pastors Ben Cremer and Kristin Mockler Young, will give you hope that there is still good happening in local churches across America.
In this behind the scenes conversation, you’ll hear 2 pastors talk about seeing their own participation in church hurt, what tiny shifts changed their theology, and how they’ve been able to apologize, repent and heal from things their past selves did, said and believed.
If this episode brings you healing or hope, please send it to someone else who could benefit from the apology of a pastor so they can begin the process of finding safety in The Church.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Philippians 2
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Sign up for Ben’s Newsletter: Misfit Theology
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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Generation gaps are real, not just in age but in thought, motivation, belief and lived experience. If we want to have multi-generational churches that don’t get old and die off, we have to be Christians who live in community and do life with people we don’t quite understand.
As you listen to Pastor Antwuan Malone explain where Boomers, Gen Z and Millennials are coming from - especially as it pertains to their experience and perception of the church - be thinking of someone from a different generation you could share this episode with! Think of it as an easy way to say “Hey, I want to love your generation better by listening to you to understand where you’re coming from.”
Antwuan and Kristin also talk about why people leave the church, how we can draw them back in and how it has to start by answering the key question each generation is asking - which is revealed in this conversation!
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
John 3:1-21
John 4:1-42
1 Corinthians 9:20-22
John 13:35
Matthew 5:14-16
Romans 12
1 Corinthians 12:12-27
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
AntwuanMalone.com
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Antwuan on @AntwuanMalone
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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In Mary’s words, this episode is “A spicy one interviewing the coach of spicy ones.” Parenting coach Mary Van Geffen shares her expertise on how to love, lead and discipline our most challenging children. If you’re looking for resources and practical ways to be a better parent or you’re a grandparent, family member or friend who wants to better support the parents in your life, this episode is a must-listen.
Learn from Mary how to:
- stay calm when the wild one is wilding out
- help siblings of spicy ones cope
- stop accidentally gaslighting your children
- be firm and kind in your parenting methods
- show compassion to your inner child
- talk to grandparents about your parenting style
Mary also answers a few answers from Instagram! Be sure you’re following us so you can be part of future episodes.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Moms of Spicy Ones 8 week course
Mary’s Daily Parenting Inspiration
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Calm: Self regulation 101 for parents and other leaders.
Use your body to ground yourself in the midst of chaos, defiance and uncontrollable emotions.
Kind: Effective gentle parenting techniques to replace yelling, shaming, and punishing with respect and warmth.
Learn four E.P.I.C. communication skills to help your child cooperate and feel connected.
Firm: Set strong and sensible limits with your little boundary pusher.
Build the parenting confidence needed to handle creative loopholes, relentless arguments, and constant pushback!
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Mary on IG: @maryvangeffen
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
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If you grew up with a combination of TGIF, See You At The Pole, the Left Behind Series, Casey Kasem’s Top 40, Veggie Tales and Focus on the Family, download this episode immediately.
In this conversation, Kristin and Sara Billups, the author of Orphaned Believers, talk about growing up and growing out of the tension of being both in the world yet not of it. They cover purity culture, the rapture, politics and social justice to try and find Jesus in the midst of it all.
There’s even talk about salvation and how many altar calls it takes to get there.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Psalm 18:19
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Orphaned Believers
Sara billups.com
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Sara on IG: @sara.billups
Sara on Twitter: @hellobillups
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
Mosaic Church on FB: @MosaicChurch
Mosaic Church on TikTok: @MosaicChurchCLT
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Why Am I Like This?: How to Break Cycles, Heal your Trauma & Restore your Faith
If you’ve ever wished someone could respond to you with “me too,” this conversation with trauma therapist, Kobe Campbell, will provide you with the reassurance of a shared experience from someone who gets it. This episode is a great one to send with people in your life who are fighting isolation, depression or feel trapped in patterns they can’t break away from.
From the book “Why Am I Like This: How to Break Cycles, Heal your Trauma and Restore your Faith,” which launches this week, you get will get practical tips on how to acknowledge emotions without giving in to urges and how to start healing by grieving.
If listening to this conversation helps you realize that you need to talk with someone, reach out to Kobe for your next brave step in the process of moving from darkness into the light.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Matthew 23:4
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Why am I Like This?
Kobe’s website
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Kobe on IG: @kobecampbell_
Kobe on TikTok: @kobecampbell_
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
Mosaic Church on FB: @MosaicChurch
Mosaic Church on TikTok: @MosaicChurchCLT
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Did you feel dragged into 2023? Does your faith feel like it’s wavering? Do you feel like your world is constantly being shaken up? In this episode, Tabitha will help you see that your identity in Christ is not based on what you have experienced.
As a Christ-centered trauma therapist, Tabitha Panariso will help you move from “What’s wrong with me?” to “What happened to me?” She will help you understand what you can control and how to cope with what you can’t.
Kristin and Tabitha also talk about the tension of being a “broken sinner” and someone who lives in “the wholeness of Christ” and how it’s tricky - yet possible - to do both.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Psalm 23:6
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Goodness of God
Robin Arzon (Kristin’s Peloton Pastor)
Keep Going on YouVersion
The Honest Guide (Tabitha’s Substack)
Therapy Information
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Tabitha on IG: @tabithapanariso
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
Mosaic Church on FB: @MosaicChurch
Mosaic Church on TikTok: @MosaicChurchCLT
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Just like Jesus flipped tables, Brittany Estes is flipping scripts. If you feel stuck in shame, overwhelm, stress or defeat, the possibility to find freedom is there. And it is for you.
In her book, Flip the Script: Make Your Move from Broken to Brilliant, Brittany helps you identify the lies you’ve been believing and equips you with practical steps to rewrite the narrative.
One listener will win a copy of Brittany’s book the week it launches so be sure to follow along with Kristin and Brittany on social media.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Matthew 5:14-16 MSG
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Flip the Script book
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Brittany on IG: @jbrittanyestes
Brittany on FB: @brittany.s.estes
Brittany on TikTok: @jbrittanyestes
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
Mosaic Church on FB: @MosaicChurch
Mosaic Church on TikTok: @MosaicChurchCLT
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We’re taking a field trip outside of the church to enter scientology, a wiccan coven or maybe even a cult. Jeremy Jenkins with All Things All People will be our guide in this episode because these are common occurrences for him. Take a deep breath and tell your fear that you’re safe as Jeremy explains how going into dark places and world religions will help us become better Christians.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Acts 17:22-29
Ephesians 6:12
Daniel 10:13-14
1 Peter 3:15
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
allthings.allpeople website
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Jeremy on IG: allthings.allpeople
ATAP on FB: All Things All People
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
If you're asking questions like “Why is there evil in the world? Why do I need a savior from sin? What happened on the cross? Why does the resurrection even matter? How do I walk by the spirit? What’s the church supposed to look like?” then this episode is for you.
Phylicia Masonheimer wrote a book on all these topics for real people. It’s more than a devotional but it’s not an academic tradebook, either. If you feel intimidated by theology but want to know more about who God is, Phylicia presents multiple perspectives to help you deeply understand what you believe - and why.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
1 John 4:16
Luke 10:27
John 14:16
John 16:7
John 15:5
James 1:19
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Purchase Every Woman a Theologian
Phylicia Masonheimer’s website
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Phylicia on IG: @PhyliciaMasonheimer
Phylicia on FB: @PhyliciaMasonheimer
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Mosaic Church on IG: @MosaicCLT
Mosaic Church on FB: @MosaicChurch
Mosaic Church on TikTok: @MosaicChurchCLT
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
First Nation’s Version: An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament
Native: Identity, Belonging and Rediscovering God by Kaitlin B. Curtice
BibleGateway.com - where you can compare versions side by side
Write the Word Journal
BlueLetterBible.org
The Bible Project
YouVersion App
The Jesus Storybook Bible
What is God Like by Rachel Held Evans
Scripture and the Authority of God by N.T. Wright
The Mosaic of Christian Belief by Roger E. Olson
Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
Manana: Christian Theology from a Hispanic Perspective
Misreading Scripture Through Western Eyes by E. Randolph Richards
Sign up for Essentials at Mosaic
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Kristin on IG
Kristin on TikTok
Kristin on FB
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What’s the difference between Scripture and The Bible? What does Mosaic believe about what it says? Kristin and Ashley unpack the basics and clear up commonly used language like inerrancy, translations, hermeneutics, solo scriptura and proof texting to help you better understand what that book on your bookshelf.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Sign up for Essentials at Mosaic
The Bible as a Library
The Mosaic of Christian Belief
Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible
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Kristin on IG
Kristin on TikTok
Kristin on FB
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If finding the Holy Spirit feels like a wild goose chase, this is the perfect episode for you. Naeem and Kristin explain who - what?! - the Holy Spirit is and how it’s for you, with you, in you and works through you. They also explain speaking in tongues and the various ways it could be connected to the Spirit.
If you’ve attended NEXT at Mosaic, plan to sign up or just want to know more about the Holy Spirit, listen this 3rd episode of our Essentials series. And make sure you’re subscribed to Becoming Church to hear them all!
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
John 14
Luke 12
John 20:22
John 3:1-21
Galatians 5:22-23
1 Corinthians 12
Romans 8:26
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Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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Who is Jesus? Is Christ his last name? Is he God? Is he human? How does it work that he can be both? Naeem and Kristin explore various beliefs of who Jesus is to different people to help you figure out who he might be to you.
If you’ve attended NEXT at Mosaic, plan to sign up or just want to know more about who Jesus is, download this 2nd episode of our Essentials series. And make sure you’re subscribed to Becoming Church to get the whole series!
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Colossians 1:15
John 3:16
Romans 10:9
John 1
John 14:6
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Naeem’s encounter with Jesus
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Kristin on IG
Kristin on TikTok
Kristin on FB
Naeem on IG
Naeem on FB
Naeem’s website
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Who is God to you? A parent? The Father or Jesus? A clockmaker? In this first episode of our Essentials series, Naeem and Kristin talk about why God may actually best be represented as a realtor. This conversation will also help you figure out how you to relate to God by asking yourself one simple question.
If you’ve attended NEXT at Mosaic, plan to sign up or just want to know more about who God is, download this episode. And hey, why not subscribe while you’re here so you don’t miss the next one.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
1 Corinthians 8
1 John 3
Matthew 6:9-13
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
Philippians 4:6-7
Matthew 6:16-18
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Worship: Why Tho
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Kristin on IG
Kristin on TikTok
Kristin on FB
Naeem on IG
Naeem on FB
Naeem’s website
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Magen Thurman has shared the stage with many popular worship leaders and Christian artists but recently she had an experience that made her say “The jig is up.” In a very vulnerable and tender conversation, Magen and Kristin talk about:
how to get the most of worship
the right and wrong ways to worship
celebrity culture in worship
what to do when worship is hard
Send this episode to someone who needs hope and encouragement to keep going, keep showing up and keep believing even when it feels disingenuous.
DISCLAIMER: a satire TV show is mentioned in this episode. It’s content is not glorifying to the church and it’s mention here is not an endorsement.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
James 1
Hebrews 13:15
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Magen Thurman
Magen on Spotify
Oh Praise the Name
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Magen on IG: @MagenThurman
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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This episode for anyone trying to use social media for networking, influence, purpose and the kingdom. Cassandra and Brittany met through Instagram then ended up co-authoring the book Her True Worth but they know it doesn't always work out that way. Kristin asks the question "Yeah, must be nice, but what about the rest of us?" for anyone feeling discouraged. If you're putting in the work, pumping out content and can't seem to get noticed, this episode has practicals as well as inspiration to remind you where your true value comes from.
Share this episode with your favorite influencer, writer, blogger or podcaster to encourage them!
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
James 1:24
Matthew 25:23
Hebrews 6:10
Isaiah 1:17
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:Her True Worth website
Her True Worth: Breaking free from a culture of selfies, side hustles, and people pleasing to embrace your true identity in Christ
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Cass on IG: @cassandralspeer
Brittany on IG: @brittmaher
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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After years in ministry, Cedric Lundy found himself as a pastor without a church home. He talks candidly about compromises he's unwilling to make, how burnout happens for church staff and the difference between a Pastor and Church CEO. If vou find yourself between churches or a little lonely without a faith community, Cedric has suggestions on how to create it outside of the institutional church.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Hebrews 12:2
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Urban Promise Charlotte
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Cedric on FB: @Cedric.Lundy
Cedric on IG: @BigCeddy
Cedric’s Podcast: Token Confessions
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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“Does God love boys more than girls?” This was the question that got it all started and sent Mariko Clark on a mission to create a more inclusive children’s story Bible. The Book of Belonging - which is still being written! - doesn’t change the Bible but it does contain more female-centric stories, a brown Jesus and representation of people with all range of skin tones, ability, body shape and size.
Written with mystery, wonder and mindfulness, The Book of Belonging leans less on morality lessons and more on helping kids understand their identity in Christ.
This episode is for any and everyone whose life includes a child they love so share this with parents, grandparents, educators, kids’ ministry volunteers and pastors!
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
The Book of Belonging
Sample chapter from The Book of Belonging
Join the Waitlist
Rachel Eleanor’s work
The practice of Daily Examen
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SCRIPTURES TO EXPLORE:
Jesus Fishing for Men: Matthew 4
Sarah and Hagar: Genesis 16
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Mariko on IG: @marikoclark
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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As an internet pastor - and pastor IRL - Ian bravely shares about the dark side of writing content both for sermons and for social media. He shares the missing key to communication with a metaphor that will leave you thinking about how you use a shovel. Ian also gives a peek behind the curtain into pastoral relationships that might surprise you.
If you're wondering if there is anything good left in the church, this episode will leave you hopeful.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
The Bridge Church
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SCRIPTURES TO EXPLORE:
John 17
John 16:12
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Ian on IG: @iansimkins
Ian on Twitter: @iansimkins
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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In a world where everyone is divided and beliefs are polarizing, Joey Svendsen has some thoughts to make you think. He will challenge you to embrace the mystery of God over the madness of systematic theology by listening in love instead of cancelling those you don’t fully agree with.
Whether or not you agree with everything he says, this is an episode for people who are willing to join in uncomfortable conversations.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Pastor with No Answers podcast
Seacoast: Things You Won’t Hear on Sunday podcast
Hellbound documentary
Brian Zahnd
Bear With Community
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SCRIPTURES TO EXPLORE:
1 Corinthians 15:22
The Flood: Genesis 6
Romans 10:9-10
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Joey on IG: @joeysvendsen
Joey on FB: joey.svendsen
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
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God made you the way you are on purpose. Because He actually likes you that way! In this episode, Rachael Wade will encourage you to dream again as you find yourself in God’s best story.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
OliveUs
Camp Well
Rachael’s website
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Psalm 52
Acts 2:42
Ephesians 2:10
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Rachael on IG: @rachwade
OliveUs on IG: @oliveus_together
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
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It's never about replacing gathering together but Dave Adamson, author of MetaChurch, has some really compelling reasons for why we should lean in to digital ministry.
Church leaders and pastors need this conversation to better understand why online options are just as important - if not more important - than gathering together physically on Sunday mornings.
Social media teams, Christian influencers and marketing strategists in the digital world will find practical tips and ways to make your online presence better and more effective.
Throw in Dave's Australian accent and great sense of humor and it's an episode you don't want to miss!
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Hebrews 10:25
Hebrews 4:12
Acts 2:46
Malachi 3:10
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Bluey on Disney+
DaveAdamson.com
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Dave on IG:@aussiedave
Dave on Twitter: @aussiedave
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Jess Connolly opens up about the spiritual abuse she’s faced and how she’s been able to stay connected to the church. This is not a conversation of platitudes or empty promises but one with real talk of eating disorders and depression, the dark side of being a female in ministry and why so many women chose to run in their calling outside of the church.
If you’re looking for hope, this “carefrontation” is for you. We hope it’s as healing as it may be hard. And if you need help recovering from spiritual abuse, please consider BetterHelp.com or a local therapist in your area.
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Nehemiah 8:6
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Wear Nuuly with Kristin + Jess
JessConnolly.com
Go + Tell Gals
GATG podcast
Jess’ interview with Naeem
Jess’ Books - Always Enough, Never Too Much is our rec!
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Jess on IG: @jessaconnolly
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
James 3
Genesis 1 & 2
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
The Cost of Control by Sharon Hodde Miller
Kristin & Sharon’s clothing rental
The Cost of Controlling our Body with Jess Connolly
The Cost of Controlling your Image with Beth Moore
The Cost of Controlling your Church with Derwin Gray
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Sharon on IG: @sharonhmiller
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin moved to the hot seat for the wrap up of our Summer Staff Series. She’s the only person to reveal something surprising about another staff member and she may have come up with the next Mosaic t-shirt! Let us know if this is swag you’d want to purchase…
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Conversation with The Bible is Funny
Jesus saving Kristin in Frozen 2
MetaChurch by Dave Adamson
Celebrities for Jesus by Katelyn Beaty
We don’t actually know how this episode will sound because Vinnie is the guy with all the editing power. Listen in as Kristin and Vinnie catch up, reminisce about Mosaic’s Metro campus, and explain how Jesus shouldn't be like a watered down margarita.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
HOPE string art
Painted back wall design
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
We never knew that offering Quenisha a job was the answer to a bougie prayer! Find out how she moved from being a church CEO to working in kids ministry in this epidsode.
Translations available upon request.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Life and Death by Stephenie Meyer
Energy by Tyla Jane
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Quenisha on IG: @nishabethename
Quenisha on TikTok: @nishabethename
Quenisha on Facebook: @itsneesh
In a very sibling-esque manner, Kristin and Sean provide a glimpse of what conversations actually sound like behind the scenes at Mosaic. (Get ready to boomerang between heartwarming moments and pure randomness of them cracking themselves up.) Sean gets really hyped about something he loves and we finally uncover who the funniest person on staff is…
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Sean’s single “I Don’t Know How to Love You”
You and I Again by King’s Kaleidoscope
Abba’s Child by Brennan Manning
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Sean on IG: @seanrc25
Sean on TikTok: @sean.rene
You’ve seen him running around but let us introduce you to him - it’s Pastor Mike! He helps Mosaic function as it does but did you know that THIS Mosaic wasn’t his original plan? Mike came to Charlotte to start his OWN Mosaic Church and he tells the whole story in this episode. It’s unrelated to him being arrested but that story’s in here, too!
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Predictable Success by Les McKeown
Journey Radio
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Mike on IG: @mikesmithnc
Mike on FB: @mikesmith
As we continue getting to know the Mosaic staff, Ashley explains her role as the Pastor of (Pick a Ministry) in this season. You’ll learn how Kristin and Ashley eventually became friends - because they didn’t really start out that way! - and the one kind of book that Ashley won’t read.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
KMY takeover of the Naeem Fazal podcast
How Mosaic got here
The Book of Joy by the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu
Best of the 80s
Harry’s House
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Ashley on IG: @ashleyfazal
Ashley on FB: @ashleyfazal
It’s summer and we’re shaking up the podcast by bringing on the Mosaic staff. If you’ve ever wanted to know what it’s like behind the scenes of ministry, what the pastors are like outside of Sunday morning or who is the funniest person on staff…you’ll want to join us this summer! Up first is our founding pastor, Naeem Fazal. Listen to find out if he can spill the tea…
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Ex-Muslim podcast series: Naeem’s story
The story of Mosaic
Ex-Muslim by Naeem Fazal
Juneteenth painting
Velvet Taco (get #12!)
The Art of Gathering by Priya Parker
To the End by Mac Brock
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Naeem on IG: @naeemfazal
Naeem on FB: @naeemfazal
Naeem on Twitter: @naeemfazal
DISCLAIMER
This is a conversation on the overturning of the Roe v Wade legislation on abortion. If pregnancy, abortion or sexual trauma are tender spots for you, feel free to skip this episode. Our goal is not to persuade you into choosing a side.
Our hope is that, in modeling how to have a nuanced conversation around a complex and personal topic, you will better understand how to engage with other people who may not agree with you. If you find it helpful, please share this episode.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Rich Villodas
PEW research
Kristin’s response
The PUMP Act
Cross Culture Christian’s video on choice
Bri McKoy’s post
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Ashley on IG: @ashleyfazal
Ashley on FB: @ashley.fazal
“It’s like if The Chosen was done by one guy who is not prepared” is the way Anthony Russo explains his project, The Bible is Funny. A lot of people use scripture to manipulate or shame but Anthony is using it to provide a safe space where people can interact with it in a new way. This conversation will make you laugh and remind you that Christianity doesn’t have to be quite so serious.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Curiosities and (Un)common Sense from the Bible
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Genesis 7: the flood
Matthew 16: the disciples forget bread
Luke 9: James and John call down fire
John 18: Peter cuts off a soldier’s ear
John 20: John runs faster than Peter
Job 19: Job’s breath is offensive to his wife
Exodus 11: Israelites trick-or-treat for silver and gold
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Anthony on TikTok: @thebibleisfunny
Anthony on IG: @thebibleisfunny
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Dr. Michelle Ami Reyes knows that parents need help having Biblical conversations about race with our children regardless of their age. In her book, The Race Wise family: 10 Postures to Becoming Households of Healing and Hope, she invites black, brown and white parents to journey together as we learn how to move from what not to do or say toward a more kingdom minded - and even joy filled conversation. This is a book that combines theology and practicality and in this episode,
Michelle further explains some of the concepts and tools for parents of toddlers to teens.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
MichelleAmiReyes.com
Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
Be the Bridge by Latasha Morrison
The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby
Hear Michelle speak at the Mosaix Conference (BECOMINGCHURCH for 10% off)
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SCRIPTURES TO EXPLORE:
Galatians 3:26-29
Numbers 12
Luke 9:51-56
Luke 10:25-37
Matthew 27:32-56
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockeryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Michelle on IG: @michelleamireyes
She goes to seminary so you don't have to! Monica Ritchie explains "hermeneutics" and helps us to better understand the Bible...because it's not as complicated as we make it to move scriptural understanding from our heads to our hearts.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
MonicaRitchie.com
Life Together by Diedritch Bonhoffer
Church Dogmatics by Karl Barth
Scripture as Communication by Jeannine K. Brown
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Philemon
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Monica on TikTok: @itsmonicaritchie
Monica on IG: @itsmonicaritchie
Share + tag us! #becomingchurchpodcast
In this episode, pastor Bobby Conway talks about his experience with mental health and addiction within the church. He also explains apologetics so we can actually understand what that means as we’re growing in our faith.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mental Health in the Church with Bobby and Heather Conway
Crash Course on Mental Health on Right Now Media
Anatomy of Soul by Curt Thompson
The Fifth Gospel by Bobby Conway
The Life Model by Jim Wilder
One Minute Apologist on YouTube
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
1 Peter 3:15
Genesis 6:1-7
Jude 22
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
becomingchurchpodcast
In this episode, Dr. Lucretia Berry addresses racism in America. She answers listener questions about how we should respond - and how we should not - after events like last week’s targeted shooting in Buffalo.
This is a helpful episode for anyone wanting to better understand what racism is, how we unknowingly contribute to its existence and how to actively be part of changing it.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Brownicity
What Lies Between Us course
Hues of You activity book for kids
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Lucretia on IG: @lucretiaberry
Brownicity on IG: @brownicity
Share and tag us! #becomingchurchpodcast
In this episode, Kristin chats with Paul Mignard, the creator behind Sketchy Sermons, where he draws interesting people saying interesting things. Often, those interesting people are Christians with ideas that just may challenge your own thinking.
This is an episode for creatives, creators, artists, musicians, TikTokers, Instagrammers, Tweeters and anyone else who wants to see more of God in the creative space.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
https://sketchysermons.com/about/
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Paul on IG: @sketchysermons
Paul on Twitter: @paulmignard Paul on
FB: @sketchysermons
Share and tag us! #becomingchurchpodcast
In this conversation, Kristin talks with Mark DeYmaz about diversity in the local church. Mark is the pastor of Mosaic Church of Central Arkansas, the author of 7 books and the executive director of the Mosaix Global Network, an organization dedicated to inspiring unity and diversity in the local church.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mosaic Church of Arkansas
Mosaix Global Network
Register for Mosaix National Conference
use code BECOMINGCHURCH for 10% off your ticket price.
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Mark on IG:@markdeymaz
Mark on Twitter:@markdeymaz
Share the show and tag us! #becomingchurchpodcast
In this episode, Bethny Ricks brings her business executive experience to the faith space to combine leadership princples with scripture. She gives practical ways we can live lighter in a heavy world to help us trade overwhelm for peace...and even joy.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Jesus Led Bible Fed
Bethny Ricks
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on TikTok: @kristinmockleryoung
becomingchurchpodcast
Becoming Church is a podcast where we discuss how the message and movement of Jesus is not just about becoming Christians but about becoming the church.
In this episode, Meredith Anne Miller combines her parenting and seminary expererience to help us better engage in biblical and faith conversations with our kids. If you're a parent or grandparent or you just have little people in your life that you love, this is a practical and helpful episode. Please share it with people you know in education or kids ministry!
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Pomona Valley Church
Ask Away podcast
Faith + Kids newsletter
What is God Like? by Rachel Held Evans
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
becomingchurchpodcast
Becoming Church is a podcast where we discuss how the message and movement of Jesus is not just about becoming Christians but about becoming the church.
In this episode, Kristin interviews Evan Dodson, Community Manager of The Bible Binge at The Popcast Media Group. They talk about the practice of finding Jesus in everything - how He's definitely present in Disney movies but maybe not so much in the comments of TikTok - and will help you begin to find Him in your daily life, too.
LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
The Bible Binge podcast
The Bible Binge IG (for Office Hours)
Kristin’s controversial TikTok
Frozen 2 Theology
Get Weird by CJ Casciotta
Deconstruction Message
HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
Evan on IG: @ evandodson
The Bible Binge on IG: @thebiblebinge
becomingchurchpodcast
Becoming Church is a podcast where we discuss how the message and movement of Jesus is not about becoming Christians but becoming the church.
In this episode, Kristin interviews Naeem Fazal, lead pastor of Mosaic Church, about the values of Mosaic and how culture always influences our experiences.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mosaic Church: www.mosaicchurch.tv
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Romans 12:2
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
Naeem on IG: @naeemfazal
Naeem on FB: @naeemfazal
Naeem on Twitter: @naeemfazal
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Kristin interviews Naeem Fazal, lead pastor of Mosaic Church, about what it means to be a diverse community that lives by faith, is known by love and is a voice of hope.
Listen to find out why Mosaic is the Trader Joe's of churches.
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mosaic Church www.mosaicchurch.tv
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:Revelation 7:9
John 17:21
1 Thessalonians 1:3
Matthew 5
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
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HANG OUT WITH US:Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
Naeem on IG: @naeemfazal
Naeem on FB: @naeemfazal
Naeem on Twitter: @naeemfazal
becomingchurchpodcast
In this episode, Kristin interviews Naeem Fazal, lead pastor of Mosaic Church, about his background, how Mosaic Church came to be and what it means to reclaim the message and movement of Jesus.
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
Naeem on IG: @naeemfazal
Naeem on FB: @naeemfazal
Naeem on Twitter: @naeemfazal
becomingchurchpodcast
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mosaic Church
Naeem’s book: Ex-Muslim
Ex-Muslim deep dive: podcast season
Hope For All: swag
In this initial episode, Kristin interviews Naeem Fazal, lead pastor of Mosaic Church, about what to expect from this podcast and why we think you should join the conversation.
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HANG OUT WITH US:
Kristin on IG: @kristinmockleryoung
Kristin on FB: @turningthegem
Kristin on Twitter: @kristinmockler
Naeem on IG: @naeemfazal
Naeem on FB: @naeemfazal
Naeem on Twitter: @naeemfazal
becomingchurchpodcast
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LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
Mosaic Church
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SCRIPTURE TO EXPLORE:
Matthew 16:18