There’s No Business Like...: Recent Episodes
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THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Ep. 200 So Long to Season One
This week the Quad Producers gather to host and celebrate episode 200! We play games, laugh, share our favorite advice and moments from the show, and reflect on what this journey has meant to us. We also share some major podcast updates - and be sure to listen all the way to the end!
Your hosts and producers are Bryan Zellmer, Josh Benson, Kevin Maynard, Katie Trzaska-Miller, and Danielle Van Hook.
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Ep. 199 Ryan VanDenBoom: Mentorship Is the Key
This week Broadway veteran Ryan VanDenBoom shares his professional journey with Katie, including behind-the-scenes stories of his time with Annie, Something Rotten, Hamilton, and MJ the Musical. Katie and Ryan talk about the complexities of a show like MJ the Musical, Ryan’s artistic relationship with Broadway choreographer and director Andy Blankenbuehler, and how he’s finding a new creative and career path on Broadway.
Ryan VanDenBoom’s Broadway credits include the original casts of Something Rotten, Bandstand, and MJ the Musical; he most recently was the Associate Movement Consultant on the off-Broadway production of Marcel on the Train with Ethan Slater. Ryan can be seen in the TV show Fosse/Verdon and movie Kiss of the Spider Woman, and is one of the co-founders of the Spark Artistic Mentorship Program (www.sparkartisticmentorship.org).
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Ep 198 Emma Orme – Under the Radar – Nobody Knows What They Are Doing, So Ask Questions.
This week Kevin and Josh continue with the Under the Radar Series by sitting down with Emma Orme, Producer of Reconstructing by The Team and Friday Night Rat Catchers by Lisa Fagan and Lena Engelstein; both a part of the 2026 Under the Radar Festival. In this episode we discuss the role of producer specific to those productions for UTR.
Emma Orme is an Obie award-winning creative producer who works in close partnership with experimental artists like Lisa Fagan & Lena Engelstein (the “High Weird” - Helen Shaw) and nicHi douglas, and companies like Fake Friends and CHILD. She is currently the Producing Director of the internationally renowned theater collective the TEAM, working in close partnership with Artistic Director Rachel Chavkin and artists such as Libby King, Josiah Davis, Eric Berryman, Zhailon Levingston, James Monaco, Jillian Walker, and more.
To learn more about Under the Radar Festival go to their website here. https://utrfest.org
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Ep. 197 Olivia Aston Bosworth: Reveling in the Magic
Katie sits down this week with Olivia Aston Bosworth of TYA/USA and the Alliance Theatre in Atlanta, GA. Katie checks in with Olivia on the most recent TYA/USA Annual Festival and Conference, learns about the fantastic programming at the Alliance Theatre, and discusses the breadth of opportunity for creatives and audiences in the Theater for Young Audiences world.
Oliva Aston Bosworth is president of the board for TYA/USA and the Dan Reardon Director or Youth and Families at the Alliance Theatre in Atlanta, GA. Learn more at https://www.tyausa.org/ and https://www.alliancetheatre.org/.
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Ep. 196 AI: A Tool or the End of the Artist
Josh, Katie, and Danielle take some time to discuss Real world use of AI as an administrative tool. We also discuss and discover ways that we have been using AI without advertently intending to. We remain hopeful that it remains a tool, but also express a fair amount of skepticism of what capitalism will do with it. Share your thoughts with our on our socials.
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Ep. 195 Joshua Holden: Puppets and Whoopi Goldberg
The podcast hosts its first puppeteer this week as Joshua Holden joins Katie for a thoroughly delightful conversation! They explore what it takes to be a puppeteer, how to make the most of a conference showcase as an artist, and discuss Josh’s experiences on Broadway and Sesame Street. Yes, Sesame Street!
Joshua Holden is a New York City-based puppeteer and touring artist (www.wowjoshuaholden.com).
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Ep. 194 The Michigan Maven, Katie Trzaska-Miller
This week Kevin checks in with Katie and gets an update on two years of Michigan Maven Creative Associates. We find out what she has been working on, what drives her, and the challenging nature of balancing it all.
You can learn more and contact Katie at MichiganMaven.art
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Ep. 193 Who is the Meet and Greet For?
This week Danielle wants to know more about the logistics of meet and greets, as her venue prepares for a style of meet and greet with an artist they haven’t facilitated before. We get into the questions of who they are for, how artists and venues can mutually benefit, and how to make the experience great for all parties involved.
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Ep. 192 Building a Culture of Care
Josh recently had a visit from Friend of the Pod Todd Wetzel (Ep. 162), who is currently cycling across America – and he inspired this week’s conversation about the importance of taking time off, rest, and instilling that in our personal and organizational cultures.
Todd Wetzel’s Journey Across the Trans American Bike Trail can be followed at https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=3d2&doc_id=26871&v=4c
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Ep. 191 Connecting the Dots Through NAPAMA
This week we join Josh, Kevin Peters, and Spring Karlo in Tucson, AZ from the 2026 NAPAMA Retreat. We learn about the history of NAPAMA, the collaborative role it plays in the industry, and the unique aspects of the annual retreat.
NAPAMA (North American Performing Arts Managers & Agents) is an organization of agents, managers, self-represented artists, presenters, producers, and other touring performing arts professionals that provides education, professional development, mentorship, community and more. Learn more and become a member at https://www.napama.org/.
Kevin Peters is the current President of NAPAMA and is currently the agent in charge of the touring division at G.L. Berg Entertainment (https://www.glberg.com/).
Spring Karlo is Co-Vice President of NAPAMA and Co-Director of Holden & Arts Associates (https://www.holdenarts.org/).
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Ep.190 Amanda Cooper – Under The Radar: If you don’t know who to ask – Ask Me.
This week we bring our next episode in our Under the Radar Series. Kevin and Josh sit down with Producer Amanda L. Cooper. Amanda was producer for Sunny Jain’s “Love Force” at Symphony Space as part of the 2026 Under the Radar Festival. We learn about Amanda’s background, her process as a producer, and further how she connected with Sunny Jain for “Love Force”.
For more on Amanda check out alc-arts.com
For more on Under the Radar Festival check out UTRFest.org
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Ep.189 New Jobs, Real Talk
This week we check in with Kevin and Bryan on how their new gigs are going, and discuss transitioning to new jobs, integrating with staff, creating positive workplace culture, and lessons in leadership. It’s a valuable conversation for anyone considering a move or taking on a new challenge.
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Ep. 188 State of the Arts: Pacific Northwest
This week Katie sits down with leaders from Arts Northwest and the Oregon Arts Commission to learn more about what’s happening beyond the Rocky Mountains. We get a vibe check on the scene and explore some of the challenges these organizations are addressing in the region.
Amy Lewin is the director of the Oregon Arts Commission and Oregon Cultural Trust (https://www.oregon.gov/biz/aboutus/artscommission/Pages/default.aspx).
Kyle LeMaire is the Executive Director of Arts Northwest (https://www.artsnw.org).
Carey Rayburn is the President of the board of Arts Northwest and the bandleader for the touring group Good Co. (https://www.goodcomusic.com/).
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NBL Rewind: Broadway’s Biggest Night – Voting for the Tonys
The Tony Award nominations for 2026 just dropped, so we are rewinding back to our Tony episode from 2025.
The lights are bright on Broadway as Katie and Josh learn all about the Tony Awards from Broadway producer Rashad Chambers and the Wharton Center’s Eric Olmscheid, who both serve as Tonys voters. We discuss seeing 42 shows in a season, the voting process, Tonys marketing and press, the role the Tonys play in the larger theater industry landscape, and more. We even make some 2025 awards predictions!
Rashad V. Chambers is a Tony Award-winning Broadway and film producer; his show Purpose won two Tony Awards in 2025. (https://www.esquireentertainment.com/). Eric Olmscheid is the Executive Director of the Wharton Center for Performing Arts in East Lansing, MI (https://www.whartoncenter.com/).
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Ep. 186 AI Plans an Episode
This week we needed a “brain break”, as the kids call them, and Bryan, Danielle, and Katie answer some questions about the industry written by AI just for the Pod. We did have some moments of deep reflection, as well, and we’d love to hear your answers, too! Make sure to share in the comments on our socials.
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Ep. 185 Audience Etiquette in the Modern Age
This week Josh, Danielle, Katie, and Bryan dive into only some the nuances of audience behavior and expectations from a venue and presenter perspective – how to manage conflict, what our responsibilities are, and how to make the live performance experience enjoyable for everyone in the face of shifting cultural tides. And guess what... it’s complex.
You can find the article on dress codes for attending theater we reference in People Magazine.
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Ep 184 Mark Russell – Under the Radar – How it all began
This week Kevin and Josh continue with the Under the Radar Series by sitting down with Mark Russell, the founder and one of the current artistic directors of the Under the Radar Festival. He discusses his origins in theater, how he began working in New York City, and then how Under the Radar originated. We also discuss how the festival has grown, changed, and survived as it has adapted to a changing landscape of theater in NYC.
To learn more about Mark or the Under the Radar Festival go to their website here. https://utrfest.org
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Ep 183 Booking in 2026 – Back to Normal?
This week the Pod Squad discusses how the booking cycle is going, and it feels strangely back to normal... but is that a good thing? We touch on some of the ongoing challenges and ideas to consider as we finalize our ‘26-’27 seasons and look forward. Agents and artists, we’d love to hear your perspective and what it feels like for you.
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Ep 182 Vikas Arun: We Don’t Do This for the Money
This week Vikas Arun of Project Convergence gives us a bit of a behind-the-scenes look at the life of a professional dancer. Katie dives into Vikas’s varied resume, including his time performing with the New York cast of STOMP, as well as working on So You Think You Can Dance.
Vikas Arun (www.vikasarun.com) is a professional dancer based in Seattle and New York, blending Western and Indian percussive dance styles with his company Project Convergence. He has worked in television, commercials, international touring, and is the first South Asian artist sponsored by Capezio and the first to perform in the global hit STOMP.
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Ep. 181 – Opera, Ballet, and Public Perception
This week our hosts dive into the discussion around the comments of Timothee Chalamet. They question the relevance of some of the traditional arts like opera and ballet to the overall general public. They further question in what ways those classic art forms can gain more relevance to the general populous.
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NBL Rewind: David Rowell: Inspiring the Next Generation
As colleges and universities are on Spring Break, we are taking a Spring Break of our own and rewinding to episode 72, highlighting a (now former) university presenter and his students.
Our hosts talk about times they said, “never again,” and then totally did again. This week Bryan sits down with David Rowell, an amazing educator and mentor in the industry. David shares his introduction to the arts, clown ministry, his incredible career, opening performance venues, and teaching the future of the industry. He is joined by two of his students, Ashanique Riche and Hannah Pogemiller, who share their unique view of the industry and an inside look at the program at Dean College.
At the time of this recording, David Rowell was the Associate Professor and Program Coordinator of Arts and Entertainment Management at Dean College in Franklin, Massachusetts (https://www.dean.edu/academics/majors-degrees/arts-and-entertainment-management/). Ashanique Riche and Hannah Pogemiller were students in the Arts and Entertainment Management Program.
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Ep. 179 Are the Arts a Luxury?
As the State of Michigan considers a 6% luxury tax, which includes the performing arts, Josh, Kevin, and Pure Michigan Katie Trzaska-Miller, consider the impact and ask, have the arts become a luxury?
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Ep. 178 Project Convergence: The Rhythm of Collaboration
Katie sits down with Vikas Arun and Apoorva Natarajan, co-directors of the American dance company Project Convergence, home to the union of Bharatanatyam and American tap dance. A chance conversation at the Midwest Arts XPO led to this discussion about the state of dance in the presenting field, marketing for artists, and the challenges of conferencing and showcasing for artists.
Vikas Arun and Apoorva Natarajan and the co-directors of Project Convergence, an American dance company with touring companies located in New York City and Seattle (https://www.projectconvergence.org/).
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Ep. 177 Under the Radar Festival: The Edgy Side of Theater
Josh and Kevin sit down to discuss their experience with the Under the Radar Festival in NYC. They share what the festival is, what they did, and more.
They also talk about a show outside of the festival, GREEF, a one-woman clown show. GREEF is a show by Christina Gelsone. Link to a post about the show: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1DATAzngiF/
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Ep. 176 Willem Van Der Maij: Making Solo Show Production Easier
Today Bryan sits down with Willem Van Der Maij; the Founder, inventor, and managing director of Midian, a company that produces the Midian Prime – a wireless remote multi function midi control device. Hear how this device makes live performance easier for solo gig artists.
Learn more at https://www.midian.live
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Ep. 175 Hot Headlines: Trump-Kennedy Center Closing?
Katie, Josh, and Kevin talk about the President posting about closing the Trump-Kennedy Center for two years for “renovations,” and funding of the NEA, among other topics, because you can’t talk about a Presidential social media post without diving into the state of America.
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Ep. 174 APAP Recap 2026
The Pod Squad takes NYC in this episode where they met up while attending the APAP 2026 Conference. Conferences are a big undertaking for organizations and attendees alike and this is what the group thought about this years largest global gathering of arts professionals. We discuss things we loved, the things we didn’t, dead cell phones, and more. Shout out to the presenters, conference committee and board members, and staff that work hard to bring us all together.
We mention the TYA Tour Development Collective in the episode; you can find out more at https://www.tyatourdevelopment.org/.
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Ep. 173 Scott Speck: Conducting Energy
The Pod goes classical this week as Katie welcomes conductor Scott Speck to talk about life as an orchestra conductor, his philosophy around making classical music accessible, and more. The team talks the business of the orchestral world and how to make attending orchestra concerts comfortable for more people.
Scott Speck has conducted all over the world and is currently the Artistic Director for the Chicago Philharmonic and Music Director for the Joffrey Ballet, West Michigan Symphony, and Mobile Symphony (https://www.scottspeck.org/). He is also the co-author of Classical Music for Dummies, Opera for Dummies, and Ballet for Dummies.
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Ep. 172 Ideas from MAX: Less Profit, More Community
This week on our Ideas from MAX series we share Socks Whitmore’s thoughts on the industry focusing less on profits and more on community.
Socks Whitmore (https://sockswhitmore.com/) among many other things is the Communications Leader at the Creative and Independent Producer Alliance (https://www.cipausa.org/)
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Ep. 171 Ritesh Patel: It Takes Longer Than You Expect
This week, our hosts talk about their favorite music festival or rave experience, Katie tries to explain the difference between a club and a “big dance party”, and Josh shares his conversation with Ritesh Patel. Ritesh shares how and why he got started in ticketing and music festivals.
Ritesh Patel (@ritlocus) is the co-founder and CEO of Ticket Fairy (https://www.ticketfairy.com/) and the creator of LOCUS, a producer of underground electronic music festivals.
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Ep. 170 Moms Be Mommin’
In this special episode Katie and Danielle talk with presenters Tanya Gertz and Lindsay Bauer about what it means to be a working parent in our industry, and why the field needs support systems. Our hosts and guests share realities that often stay hidden: guilt, career tradeoffs, childcare gaps, invisible labor, and more.
Moms in the Arts will meet twice at APAP 2026:
Saturday, January 10 from 6:00pm to 7:30pm
Sunday, January 11 from 6:00pm to 7:30pm
In addition to being a mom of a 13-year-old, Tanya Gertz is the Vice President of Programming and Community Impact at the Ordway Center for the Performing Arts (https://ordway.org/)
In addition to being a mom of a 13-year-old, Lindsay Bauer is the Executive Director of the Fairfield Arts and Convention Center (https://fairfieldacc.com/)
Our special guest Clare Longendyke (https://www.clarelongendyke.com/) is a new(er) mom and professional concert pianist
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Ep. 169 New Year’s Podcastin’ Eve
It’s another podcast party as we say goodbye to the year (or decade!) that was 2025. The team takes a few minutes to reflect on impactful artistic moments from the last year and share how we’re moving forward into 2026. Wishing you a fun, safe, and happy New Year’s Eve and 2026!
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Ep. 168 The Holiday Merriment Episode
It’s the holidays! We’ve all wrapped up our festive programming, but may still be wrapping gifts. This week the Pod Squad shares their holiday plans and you guessed it, Danielle hosts a holiday trivia game. Happy holidays to you and yours from the No Business Like team!
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Ep. 167 Ideas from MAX: Programming for the 25-45 Age Range
This week on Ideas from MAX we talk to Amanda Sauvie about the challenges of programming for the 25 to 45 demographic, both in them showing up and in finding the right talent to book.
Amanda Sauvie is the Manager of Community Programming at the FIM (https://thefim.org/) in Flint, Michigan.
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Ep. 166 Ideas from MAX: Programming Genres Back to Back
The next conversation in our Ideas from MAX series features Wallace Thomas’ hot take on a cappella music, which leads into a broader conversation on booking and programming strategy.
Wallace Thomas is a member of the a cappella group Ball in the House (https://www.ballinthehouse.com/)
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Ep. 165 Lisa Richards Toney – Part 2: To Be Still Is to Be Powerful
This week, Josh shares part two of his conversation with Lisa Richards Toney. They discuss the power in stillness, organizational management, and the annual APAP conference.
Lisa Richards Toney is the President and CEO of the Association of Performing Arts Professionals – APAP (https://apap365.org/)
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Ep. 164 Lisa Richards Toney – Part 1: The Arts Taught Me That
This week Josh shares part one of his conversation with Lisa Richards Toney; to warm up for that conversation our hosts share some of their favorite APAP memories. Lisa Richards Toney shares the journey of how the arts impacted her life and moments that led her to being the head of APAP. She shares the challenges of leading a national organization through a global pandemic, the need for innovation and change, and more.
Lisa Richards Toney is the President and CEO of the Association of Performing Arts Professionals – APAP (https://apap365.org/)
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Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs. Community Engagement
Our Ideas from MAX series will feature conversations from our booth at the 2025 Midwest Arts Xpo and a roundtable discussion with the Pod Squad! This week we kick off with Gary Minyard’s answer to the questions “What are we not talking about enough in the industry?”: the differences between audience development and community engagement.
Gary Minyard is the Chief Creative Officer at Dayton Live in Dayton, OH (https://www.daytonlive.org/). Gary previously appeared on Episode 124 Of, By, and For Community.
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Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less
This week, our hosts start with a little game before Katie shares her conversation with Todd Wetzel. Todd is a fountain of knowledge and shares that knowledge with Katie, and our audience. Todd shares how he got his start in the arts, his philosophy on leadership, audience development, shifting presenting models, and so much more.
Todd Wetzel is the Executive Director of Purdue Convocations at Purdue University (https://convocations.purdue.edu/).
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Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for Granted
Our hosts kick off this week talking about things they weren’t great at when they first started, and Bryan shares his conversation with Patrick Brogan. Patrick shares his role at ArtsQuest, an organization that grew from an 11-day music festival to a 10-acre arts and culture campus, the SteelStacks. Patrick shares his journey in the arts and his over 20 years with ArtsQuest, encouraging folks to take it in and enjoy it all.
Patrick Brogan is the Chief Programming Officer at ArtsQuest in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania (https://www.artsquest.org/).
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Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health for the Mind
This week the pod is bringing you something a little different. This week the pod goes fitness! Kevin shares his conversation with his personal trainer, Matt Smith, and talk about how health and wellness impacts your workflow. Matt also shares a beginner workout for use at home, in the gym, or on the road.
Matt Smith is a personal trainer, massage therapist, and yoga instructor in Galesburg, Illinois. (https://www.instagram.com/the.movement.journeyman/)
Beginner workout routine: https://www.jefit.com/routines/1059035/at-home-strength
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Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price Punchline
This week The Pod Squad rounds up recent industry news including comments from the CEO of Live Nation and significant leadership changes in our industry. And Bryan throws back to MTV Unplugged....
Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message!
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Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary!
It’s a three-year celebration episode for the pod! Thank you all for joining us on this journey. If you are new here, you can find some “starter” playlists here: https://nobusinesslike.com/spotify-playlists
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Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!
This week Katie gathers colleagues from the beautiful state of Arizona to discuss the vibe of the Arizona arts scene, collaboration, programming, and the state of arts funding in the 48th state.
Bonnie Schock is the CEO of the Fox Tuscon Theatre in Tuscon, AZ (https://foxtucson.com/).
Christina You-sun Park is the Executive Director of the Arizona Commission on the Arts (https://azarts.gov/).
Michelle Mac Lennan is the General Manager of the Chandler Center for the Arts in Chandler, AZ (https://www.chandlercenter.org/) and the president of the Arizona Presenters Alliance (https://www.azpresenters.org/).
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Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway
Josh had an opportunity to sit down with Broadway legend Norbert Leo Butz at the Midwest Arts Xpo, and we share that conversation here. Norbert shares how he got started in the industry and the stories behind some of the roles he is known best for. Our hosts do their best to play it cool and also share their first named role in a show.
Norbert Leo Butz is a two time Tony Award-winning performer known for role in Rent, and originations roles in Wicked, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Catch Me if You Can, and many more. His new show Broadway or Busk is touring and represented by Sweetwood Creative (https://sweetwoodiscreative.com/#show-1)
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Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy
This week Kevin sits down with Bill Stanczykiewicz from Indiana University’s Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. Bill shares incredible insights into philanthropy including what philanthropy is, what the data is telling us about giving, and breaks down the changes to the tax code.
Bill Stanczykiewicz is the Senior Assistant Dean for External Relations, Clinical Associate Professor, and Director of the Fundraising School at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy (http://go.iu.edu/tfrs).
Resources from this episode:
Giving USA Report: https://givingusa.org/giving-usa-2025-u-s-charitable-giving-grew-to-592-50-billion-in-2024-lifted-by-stock-market-gains/
IRC 513(i) white paper: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/advertising-or-qualified-sponsorship-payments
The Fundraising School: http://go.iu.edu/tfrs
Principles and Techniques of Fundraising: https://philanthropy.indianapolis.iu.edu/professional-development/courses-seminars/the-fund-raising-school/principles-techniques-of-fundraising.html
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Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on Ticketing
This week our hosts Josh, Katie, Danielle, and Kevin are coming to you LIVE from the Expo Hall at Midwest Arts Expo 2025. Our four hosts discuss ticketing. They touch on On Sale and announce schedules, ticket pricing, third party ticketing, and dynamic pricing.
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Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field
This week Bryan introduces us to Trish Santini and Frank Butler, co-founders of the new Empire Training Center for the Arts in Poughkeepsie, NY. We learn about Trish and Frank’s extensive and winding careers and what inspired them to create a vocational arts training center that provides accessible and practical technical and administrative training in an intensive 10-month model.
Trish Santini and Frank Butler are professional arts administrators and the co-founders of the Empire Training Center for the Arts (https://www.empirearts.org/).Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod
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Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons
This week the team and guest Kiersten Birondo talk about a recent study examining Gen Z and Millennials’ perceived cost and value of attending theater, and how we can apply the findings to marketing and audience engagement efforts in venues across the country.
You can read the Broadway News article and find the link to the study, “Unveiling the Value of Broadway: How Pulling Back the Curtain on the Broadway Experience Triples Its Value Among Next-Gen Theater Goers”, here: http://bit.ly/47fdqBC.
Kiersten Birondo is the Executive Director of the Rozsa Center for the Performing Arts at Michigan Tech University (https://www.mtu.edu/rozsa/).
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Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?
The team follows up on Josh’s recent Tuesday Talk with the Ohio Arts Professionals Network (OAPN) about the value of commercial programming - how it can serve your community, support other programming financially, and broaden our industry.
You can check out Josh’s Tuesday Talk with OAPN (https://oapn.org/) at https://youtu.be/OiUieO-e_jI?feature=shared
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Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines
This week Katie, Josh, and Bryan round up and discuss some the industry headlines from the week and the implications for the field. It’s not all bad, though! We do get to chat about a certain musician whose name rhymes with Taylor and everyone’s favorite 90s uncle.
Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message!
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Ep 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing
This week the team learns about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and talk about big transitions leading into Katie’s conversation with Mary Jennings, the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet. Mary and Katie talk about how to build staff and organizational culture, the impact of resident companies on a community, budgeting and artist pay, and putting dancers on billboards.
Mary Jennings is the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet, Michigan’s only professional ballet company. (https://grballet.com/).
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Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable
The team is back from summer break and this week Danielle sits down with colleague Kara Hettinger, and they discuss more ways of building the future of our industry: innovations in reaching teen audiences and training and support for teaching artists. Kara is one of the founding collaborators of the Midwest Teaching Artist Coalition, which is building new ways of creating sustainable careers and connections for teaching artists.
Kara Hettinger is the Program Director for Arts Education at the Midwest Trust Center at Johnson Community College in Overland Park, KS (https://www.jccc.edu/midwest-trust-center/).
Mentioned in the episode: TeenTix KC (https://kc.teentix.org/)
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NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams
This week we wrap our July 20205 Rewind Series as we revisit one of Danielle’s favorite conversations from Season 2, Episode 65 with Wone Vang!
Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-time employee, the Guaranteed Income Program she is managing for Springboard for the Arts, and the importance of pay equity. Our hosts talk about their life in cross stich, what individuals can do to increase pay equity, and how we can learn more on these topics.
Wone Vang is an artist (https://3drdcrafts.com/) and the Economic Opportunity Director at Springboard for the Arts (https://springboardforthearts.org/).
Resources mentioned in this episode:
The Art of Economic Justice: https://springboardforthearts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GI_Impact_Report_SBftA_2023.pdf
Stefanie O’Connell Rodriguez: https://tooambitious.com/
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NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People
This week Bryan ensures we feature our friends from the north as we rewind to Danielle’s Season 1 conversation with Canadian agent and Friend of the Pod, Tara Bailey!
On this episode Danielle sits down with agent Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance of community, and so much more. Our hosts realize they don’t know much about the differences between US and Canada culturally and talk funding and theatre for young audiences.
Tara Bailey is the Founder of Bailiwick Booking Agency and Arts Management (https://www.bailiwick.biz/). Tara also sits on the board of NAPAMA and AASPAA.
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NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time
This week Kevin rewinds us all the way back to Episode 32 to revisit the lessons and great advice offered by Bob Bennett in May 2023. This is also one of Katie’s favorites!
Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part of the industry outside of performance. Bob talks about how change and growth take time, vision, and a good team. Our hosts share their spirit/drink of choice, so now you know what to get us when you see us at “the hang” at conferences! The team also discuss more important topics like the economics of the arts and the many opportunities outside of just performance.
Bob Bennet is the Artistic Director/Director of Operations for Jazz St. Louis (https://jazzstl.org/). Bob is also the Podcast Producer and Sr. Contributor for Bourbon and Banter (https://www.bourbonbanter.com/) a podcast exploring the world of bourbon and other spirits.
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NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith
This week Katie is rewinding to earlier this year and gasp! recommends you sit still and listen deeply to this one! So grab your earbuds, a pen, and comfy chair and adult beverage of choice and enjoy!
This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about the changing development landscape. Lori shares her top 5 things you can do right now and gives insight into the world of philanthropy. If you want to go deeper on the topic with Lori, you can check out her webinar with GrantStation recorded on April 1: https://grantstation.com/product/webinar-recordings/how-fundraise-during-times-fear-and-uncertainty-recording
Lori L. Jacobwith is the Founder of Ignited Fundraising (https://ignitedfundraising.com/). The sweet spot of her work is to help organizations put a face on their impact by sharing inspiring, ethical mission moment stories. For more than 35 years Lori has had a laser focus on helping nonprofit staff & board members implement fundraising solutions that put ease and joy into raising money.
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NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process Unfolding
It’s summer vacation! The Pod Squad is taking a break and sharing some of their favorite conversations from the beach for the month of July. This week Josh rewinds to Ep. 64 with musician Micah Christian.
This week Bryan sits down with the lead vocalist of Sons of Serendip, Micah Christian. Micah opens up about his journey into creating music, learning to not compare himself to others, life on the road, and more. Meanwhile, our hosts have a rousing conversation about ringtones and ring backs, Bryan effectively shuts down criticism, and realize we all have learning to do on how the music charts work.
Micah Christian is an artist passionate about storytelling, composing, and performing music that supports, enhances, and creates meaningful moments. He is the co-founder and lead vocalist of America's Got Talent Finalist, Sons of Serendip (https://www.sonsofserendip.com/). Micah is also on the board of NAPAMA.
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Ep 142: Investing in Our Future
This week guests Paige Hernandez, Daniel Hahn, and Karoline Myers stop by the pod to talk about the importance of and creative ways of commissioning new work from both the artist and venue perspectives. Daniel and Karoline also share about a new commissioning funding model, the TYA Tour Development Collective, which just completed its pilot year and is connecting artists directly with venues for funding.
Paige Hernandez is a multidisciplinary artist that has been creating work for young audiences for over 20 years (www.paigehernandez.com). Daniel Hahn is the Vice President of Education at Playhouse Square in Cleveland, OH (www.playhousesquare.org). Karoline Myers is the Director of Education at Des Moines Performing Arts (www.desmoinesperformingarts.org).
You can learn more about the TYA Tour Development Collective at www.tyatourdevelopment.org.
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Ep. 141 NBL Summer Check-In
Join Josh, Katie, and Kevin this week as they talk about what they are thinking about in our industry – the good and the bad. We would love to hear what you are thinking about- send us an email or reach out through socials.
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Ep. 140 Finding the Future Together
This week Danielle recaps the 2025 TYA/USA National Festival and Conference with guests Brian Fahey, Ashli St. Armant, and Sarah McCarthy. They dig into some of the best professional development sessions, major takeaways around audience investment, pay what you wish models, meeting student needs as teaching artists, seeing new work, advocacy, and more.
The TYA/USA National Festival and Conference is the largest gathering of professionals in the field of theater for young audiences, featuring diverse performances, speakers, breakout sessions and opportunities to exchange ideas (https://www.tyausa.org/).
Brian Fahey is the Senior Director of Education at Austin Theatre Alliance (https://www.austintheatre.org/). Ashli St. Armant is an author, songwriter, playwright, vocalist, and educator, known for her work as Jazzy Ash and NORTH: The Musical (https://ashlistarmant.com/). Sarah McCarthy is the founder of Dandelion Artists, an agency that connects young audiences with authentic performances that speak to the childhood experience (https://www.dandelionartists.com/).
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Ep. 139 Broadway’s Biggest Night – Voting for the Tonys
The lights are bright on Broadway as Katie and Josh learn all about the Tony Awards from Broadway producer Rashad Chambers and the Wharton Center’s Eric Olmscheid, who both serve as Tonys voters. We discuss seeing 42 shows in a season, the voting process, Tonys marketing and press, the role the Tonys play in the larger theater industry landscape, and more. We even make some 2025 awards predictions!
Rashad V. Chambers is a Tony Award-winning Broadway and film producer, currently nominated for the show Purpose (https://www.esquireentertainment.com/). Eric Olmscheid is the Executive Director of the Wharton Center for Performing Arts in East Lansing, MI (https://www.whartoncenter.com/).
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Ep. 138 Christopher Kendrick-Castanho: Full Circle Moment
We’re headed to Broadway this week as Danielle and Bryan talk about the Broadway League’s 2025 Spring Road Conference and arts marketing with guest Christopher Kendrick-Castanho. Christopher shares about social media and influencer marketing, some of the rising challenges in the Broadway touring industry, and turns the tables on Danielle and hosts his own game!
Christopher Kendrick-Castanho is a Marketing Manager for The Bushnell in Hartford, CT (https://bushnell.org/).
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Ep. 137 The Pod Goes “Wildcard”
It’s a “choose your own adventure” discussion as Katie borrows this week’s format (with tweaks) from the NPR podcast “Wildcard” and our hosts select their questions from a deck of notecards. We reflect on our work, our current challenges, what’s bringing us joy...and the time machine is back! Share your own answers with us via social media or email us a voice note via our website.
Thanks to Wildcard with Rachel Martin for the inspiration and we hope you check it out: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510379/wild-card-with-rachel-martin
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Ep. 136 State of the Arts: Montana Edition!
This week, Katie sits down with the head of a presenters consortium, the head of a state arts council, and the head of a performing arts center, all from the State of Montana, in our first ever episode focused on one singular state. They discuss how presenting in Montana is different, funding concerns, the Yellowstone Effect, and more.
Emily Wolfram is the Executive Director of the Montana Performing Arts Consortium (https://www.mtperformingarts.org/)
Krys Holmes is the Executive Director of the Montana Arts Council (https://art.mt.gov/)
Benji Cosgrove is the Executive Director of The Myrna Loy (https://themyrnaloy.com/)
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Ep. 135 Arts Data Redefined- The Conversation
This week the Pod Squad shares their thoughts on Josh’s conversation with Angela Meleca, Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). They share their thoughts on the Return on Arts concept and more. If you have not listened to that interview, please listen to Episode 134, first.
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Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined
This week Josh shares his conversation with Angela Meleca, and our hosts opt to save their commentary until next week so our listeners can sit with this one a bit longer. Angela shares her journey to where she is now, spending more time on her true passion, the Return on Art (ROA). Angela also shares how she is leading a cohort to measure the social, emotional, and public value of the arts and their impact on well-being.
Angela Meleca is the Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). She is also the host of the ARTS Redefined podcast.
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Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up?
This week Barron Ryan and Jacob Deaton join Katie, Josh, and Danielle to talk about the industry and what keeps them up at night. Don’t worry, it’s not all doom and gloom, what’s keeping these folks up are big ideas!
To learn more about our guests, you can listen to their full interviews:
Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard and Be Patient
Ep. 60 Barron Ryan: The Evidence of Beauty
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Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear Path
This week Danielle sits down with Michelle Grove Herzog to talk about going from a musician (violin) to consultant and Director of the Arts Admin Program and the University of Arizona. She shares conversations about board management, fiscal sponsorships, grants and more. The Pod Squad talks about their interactions with grantmaking, boards, and more.
Michelle Grove Herzog is an independent non-profit consultant and the Director of the Arts Administration Program at the University of Arizona.
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Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community?
Josh finally asks the important question, what would our hosts name their bands! Then he shares his conversation with Mark Ross and Erica Finley when they spoke at APAP 2025. Mark and Erika share how they got started in the arts, the interesting history of Community Concert Associations, volunteerism, and more.
Mark Ross and Erika Finley work for Live on Stage (https://www.liveonstage.biz/), Live Arts and Attractions (https://www.livearts.biz/), and Matt Davenport Productions (https://mattdavenportproductions.com/) wearing multiple hats including agent, marketing, and national sales.
Volunteerism article we mentioned: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/11/civic-engagement-and-volunteerism.html
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Ep. 130 Alex Morgan is Silencio Pantomimo: From the County Fair to Paris
This week Bryan sits down with professional mime, Alex Morgan. Alex shares how he got into the art form, running away to Paris, and finding his character, Silencio Pantomimo. The interview really takes off when Alex allows Bryan to interview Silencio and we learn how we went from busking in Paris to touring internationally.
Alex Morgan is a professional mime, known best for his work as Silencio Pantomimo.
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Ep. 129 Bracket Madness: What Our Industry Can Learn From Sports Marketing.
This week the hosts go all in on March Madness sharing their prowess and knowledge of College Basketball, which does not take long so they move onto what our industry can learn from sports, more specifically sports marketing.
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Ep. 128 What’s Happening in D.C.?
This week Kevin, Josh, and Katie discuss Ep. 126 with James Shapiro, and connect it to what is happening with the Kennedy Center and the National Endowment for the Arts in 2025. They dive into some practical and philosophical questions surrounding the politicization of two national arts entities and potential impacts on the live performing arts field.
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BONUS: James Shapiro working on Broadway’s Othello
This week’s episode had too much for one episode! Enjoy this excerpt that was cut for time where James Shapiro talks about his work on performances, specifically Othello featuring Denzel Washington.
James Shapiro (https://www.jamesshapiro.net/) is the author “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democracy, and The Making of a Culture War.”
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Ep. 126 “The Playbook” with Author James Shapiro
This week Katie is joined by author, professor, and Shakespeare Scholar in Residence at the Public Theatre, James Shapiro. They talk about Shapiro’s new book “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democracy, and The Making of a Culture War” which is the story of the start and end of the Federal Theatre Project in the 1930s. Shapiro shares how this reflects our current time.
James Shapiro’s (https://www.jamesshapiro.net/) essays and reviews have appeared in the New York Times, the New Yorker, The Guardian, the London Review of Books, and many more. He has been awarded fellowships from the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Guggenheim Foundation, The New York Public Library Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers, and the American Academy in Berlin.
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Ep. 125 The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith
This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about the changing development landscape. Lori shares her top 5 things you can do right now and gives insight into the world of philanthropy. If you want to go deeper on the topic with Lori, you can check out her webinar with GrantStation on April 1: https://grantstation.com/product/how-fundraise-during-times-fear-and-uncertainty
Lori L. Jacobwith is the Founder of Ignited Fundraising (https://ignitedfundraising.com/). The sweet spot of her work is to help organizations put a face on their impact by sharing inspiring, ethical mission moment stories. For more than 35 years Lori has had a laser focus on helping nonprofit staff & board members implement fundraising solutions that put ease and joy into raising money.
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Ep. 124 Of, By, and For Community – A Discussion about Community Engagement
This week Katie invites industry leaders Donna Walker-Kuhne, Gary Minyard, and Marisol Sánchez-Best to discuss community engagement – a broad term that touches many facets of our industry. This delightful conversation between colleagues and friends just scratches the surface as they discuss language, metrics, internal communication and collaboration, arts as medicine, and more.
Marisol Sánchez-Best is the Director of Education & Community Engagement at Seattle Theatre Group in Seattle, WA. Gary Minyard is the Chief Creative Officer at Dayton Live in Dayton, OH and serves on the board of Heartland Performing Arts. Donna Walker-Kuhne is the founder of Walker International Communications Group and the Senior Advisor of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion for New Jersey Performing Arts Center in Newark, NJ.
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Ep. 123 What’s Next? The Pod Goes Rogue
The Pod Squad has been hosting the most amazing podcast (we know we’re biased!) for over two years – and it’s time to shake up the format. Listen for what’s next for There’s No Business Like... and give us your feedback via our audience survey! We’d love to hear your ideas for topics, guests, and more.
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Ep. 122 What Now? Our Current Moment in the Arts
This week we discuss the current state of the arts in early February 2025 and identify a few of the many challenges ahead for our field, including the strain on arts workers after recovering from the pandemic, as well as how we can stand together moving forward. As some of our podcast friends say, things may have changed by the time you hear this.
The litigation tracker mentioned in this episode from the Reiss Center on Law and Security can be found at https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/.
Artnet is also documenting the impact on the arts: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/trump-executive-orders-arts-2605142.
Arts Action Fund FAQ: https://www.artsactionfund.org/executive-orders-their-impact-arts-faq
This episode contains some adult language (and lots of laughs at the end – enjoy!)
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Ep. 121 Live from MAX – State of the Industry
This week we share the final episode recorded at the Midwest Arts Xpo in 2024.
Our guests:
Lauren Jelencovich, Artist
Kris Kaminski, ECE Touring
Andy McGuire, George Daily Community Auditorium
Lisa Rock, Lisa Rock Entertainment
Marc Baylin, Penn Live Arts and Collins Center for the Arts
Sara Beatty, Kauffman Center for the Arts
Maggie McClure, Artist (The Imaginaries)
Jeff Laramie, SRO Artists
Christine Cox, C-Squared Entertainment
Carson Brimm, Marion Cultural and Civic Center
Miles Brooks, Magic of Bill Blagg
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Ep. 120 Melanie Weir: They Don’t All Become Artists
This week our hosts talk about obscure reports they gave in school, most of which involved dressing up as historical figures. Katie shares her conversation with Melanie Weir from the Western Arts Alliance Conference. Melanie shares the incredible work happening at the Luther Burbank Center for the Arts, how she got started in the arts, the impact of arts programming on youth, and so much more.
Melanie Wier is the Associate Director of Education and Community Engagement at the Luther Burbank Center for the Arts (https://lutherburbankcenter.org/) and is the Board President of California Presenters (https://www.calpresenters.org/).
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Ep. 119 APAP Recap 2025
This week Katie hosts a conversation with the PodSquad on their time in NYC at APAP 2025. We talk Broadway, showcases, and conference hot topics!
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Ep. 118 Chad Lindsey: Togetherness is Our Strength
On this episode, we learn what song our hosts would choose as their walkout music, and Katie sits down with fellow Michigander Chad Lindsey. As a new arts Executive Director, Chad shares insights into his first year and how he has connected with his community. Chad also puts to rest the idea that you can’t get a lot done in year one.
Chad Lindsey is the Executive Director of City Opera House (https://www.cityoperahouse.org/) in Traverse City, Michigan.
This episode contains some adult language.
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Ep. 117 Censorship with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis
This week Kevin shares his conversation with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis following a townhall event on censorship at the Western Arts Alliance in August, 2024. Censorship is a complex topic, and this conversation only scratches the surface.
Gail Boyd is President of Gail Boyd Artist Management (https://gailboyd.com/).
Jade Solomon Curtis (https://www.jadesolomon.com/) is a dance artist and choreographer represented by Siegel Artist Management.
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Ep. 116 NBL Rewind Josh Benson: Making Time
We’ve rewound alllll the way back to Josh’s interview from July 19, 2023 in our final episode of our holiday Rewind series. Danielle visits Josh and catches up on his latest developments, including painting some amazing murals in Marion and cutting back on his 27 gigs…by 1.
Join Danielle and Kevin as they sit down with fellow host, Josh Benson. Josh answers the hard-hitting questions like which one of the seven dwarves he identifies most with and what prank he wants to pull on his fellow host. Eventually, Josh shares the journey from theatre to autobody work and back to theatre, his change In leadership style, the impressive arts driven growth in Marion, IL, his family, and so much more. Some of his mural work can be found here: http://marionmurals.com/
Josh Benson is the Executive Director of the Marion Cultural and Civic Center (https://marionccc.com/) in Marion, Illinois. Josh is also a muralist, father, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 115 NBL Rewind: Katie Trzaska-Miller: Creating Connections
This week we rewind back to September 2023 and our chat with Pod Host Katie Trzaska-Miller! Danielle checks in with Katie and they catch up on her new business, aptly named Michigan Maven Creative Associates, taking our own advice, and the joy of getting back on stage.
Danielle and Kevin continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week we learn about our fellow host, Katie Trzaska-Miller. After a quick game of “How Pure Michigan is She?”, Katie shares her origin story starting as a dancer at a young age and eventually managing a historic theatre on her own at the age of 23. Katie also shares her passion for her community, connecting colleagues, educating and bringing up the next generation, and having tough conversations about equity.
Katie Trzaska-Miller is the founder of Michigan Maven Creative Associates (www.michiganmaven.art) an arts admin and consulting firm. Katie is also a mother, an active member of her community (both locally and in the arts community), and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 114 Holidays Holidays and Ask Us Anything
This week the Podsquad gets together at Danielle’s house for another holiday party! The shenanigans are top notch as we take listener questions and talk about our favorite holiday traditions.
We wish you a safe and happy holiday season and thank you for continuing to join us week after week!
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Ep. 113 NBL Rewind: Danielle Van Hook: Comforting, Yet Challenging
In this week’s rewind Katie lady-chats with Danielle and learns what she’s been up to lately, including facilitating a world premiere at the Alden and engaging the art of making memories on family vacations.
In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, this week Bryan and Katie sit down with Danielle, and finally put her in the hot seat! We learn about the journey that led her to arts administration, where her passion for DEIA comes from and why it’s important to her, how she programs entertainment and keeps it accessible, and so much more. Danielle also shares her love of the Pocahontas Project (https://www.pocahontasproject.org/) and the podcast Seeing White (https://sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/)
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Danielle Van Hook is the Director of Youth Programs at The Alden Theatre in McLean, Virginia (https://mcleancenter.org/about/visit/the-alden-theatre/). Danielle is also a mother of twins, an ally, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 112 NBL Rewind: Bryan Zellmer: Don’t Be Afraid to Show Your Silliness
The rewinds continue as we get some big updates and news from Bryan!
In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week Katie and Josh sit down with Bryan. Bryan shares his journey from marketing director to arts admin, how his programming style has shifted as our ecosystem changes, the pitfalls of “quality” art, and his passion for collaboration in every aspect of his life. He also shows off his natural storytelling skills sharing vulnerable, heartwarming, and hilarious parts of his life.
Bryan Zellmer is the Executive Director of The Bardavon and Ulster Performing Arts Centers (https://www.bardavon.org/) and former Director of KU Presents! at Kutztown University (https://www.kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/ku-presents.html) Bryan is also a father, a mentor, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 111 NBL Rewind: Kevin Maynard: People Come First
With so many life changes and new listeners, we thought the holidays would be a good time to revisit our Interpodsquad interviews and reintroduce ourselves! Danielle gets the fresh scoop and we re-enjoy Bryan and Josh’s interview with the incomparable Kevin Maynard.
We learn about Kevin’s surprising (but unsurprisingly wholesome) first foray into live performance, how his business and accounting background gave him a firm foundation as an arts leader, and Kevin’s philosophies around taking on challenges and supporting his staff. The Mystery of the Mustache is also revealed! And Danielle, per usual, continues to torture Kevin.
Kevin L. Maynard is the Executive Director for Opening Nights at Florida State University (https://openingnights.fsu.edu/ ) and former Executive Director of Quad City Arts, splitting the border between Iowa and Illinois (www.quadcityarts.com). He is also an avid runner, community theater actor, lover of spreadsheets, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 110 Lenore Naxon: The Only Constant is Change
This week the PodSquad dreams about what to do with a magical pot of money for extra programming, which leads to Katie’s conversation with friend and mentor Lenore Naxon. Lenore dives into nuances of board management, leading in the presenter consortium space, and how changes in the industry present challenges and opportunities.
Lenore Naxon is the founder of Naxon Consulting (https://naxonconsulting.com/) and co-chair of the Presenters Leadership Consortium. She is also the pod’s Biggest Fan!
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Ep. 109 Phil Esparza: Challenges Not Barriers
This week we bring you an unexpected interview from our time at the 2024 WAA Conference. Bryan has the honor and pleasure of sitting down with Phil Esparza of El Teatro Campesino, the legendary Chicano theater company. We discuss the company’s history and legacy, community engagement, and trace Phil’s career from college student to performer to collegiate presenter.
Phil Esparza is the Executive Producer of El Teatro Campesino (https://elteatrocampesino.com/). The company celebrates its 60th anniversary in 2025.
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Ep. 108: Live from MAX – Are Audiences Back?
This week our hosts go back in time without the time machine (thanks, Kevin!) to when we first started presenting shows inside again after pandemic closures, and then our guests from the expo hall floor at MAX bring different perspectives on engaging with audiences in this moment to the conversation. We dig into the future of opera and classical music audiences, engaging “young” audiences now for the future, and the impact of social media and other platforms on the monetary value of live performing arts.
Our guests this week are:
Bob Wendland, Assistant Director, Washington Pavilion Management
Maddy Ringo, Singer-songwriter
Bill Blagg, Illusionist
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Ep. 107 Live from MAX – Reflections on Equity in the Field
This week Kevin shares some great news and our hosts think they are hay-larious before diving into the serious topic of changes in equity in our field. Our guests at the Midwest Arts Xpo discuss slow shifts in programming and the hierarchical structures that impede progress, and we dig deep into just a few of the challenges with contracting.
Our guests this week are:
Sarah Haag, Artist
Wallace Thomas, Artist, Ball in the House
Clare Longendyke, Pianist
Karoline Myers, Director of Education, Des Moines Performing Arts
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Ep. 106 Paul Sage Cannon: Be Brave Enough to Believe in Yourself
This week our hosts get a bit philosophical before we listen to Danielle’s conversation with singer-songwriter Paul Sage Cannon from our time at the 2024 Western Arts Alliance Conference. Paul shares how his personal history informs his songwriting, how the weight of being a culture barer is both painful and joyful at the same time, and reminds us that music is a healing artform.
Paul Sage Cannon ( https://paulsagecannon.com/ ) is a singer-songwriter from the Waipuk Clan, a part of the Kumeyaay Nation. He is also a certified Native Healer and speaks on Native healing, philosophy, cultural education.
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Ep. 105 Eric Olmscheid: Make Room to Dream
Whoohoo! This week the Quad Producers celebrate our two-year anniversary! We are so grateful for everyone’s support of this endeavor and for sticking with us week after week, listening and laughing with us. This week Katie speaks with Eric Olmscheid about his journey from farm kid to arts administrator, staying focused on what’s important, and keeping audiences curious.
Eric Olmscheid is the Executive Director of Wharton Center for Performing Arts on the campus of Michigan State University (https://www.whartoncenter.com) and the Board Vice President of Heartland Performing Arts, which administers the Midwest Arts Xpo (https://midwestartsxpo.org).
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Ep. 104 Live from MAX – The Cost of Touring and Merch Splits
We’re bringing you round 2 of our mini-interviews from the 2024 Midwest Arts Xpo featuring five more guests discussing the costs and challenges of touring today. Our hosts also have a spirited discussion about merch splits and the changing financial pressures of the industry (but Kevin is somehow the eternal optimist?) You can find the Pitchfork article referenced in the episode here: https://pitchfork.com/features/article/artist-merch-cuts-venues/.
Our guests this week are:
Helen Welch, Vocalist/Producer, Big Wow Productions
Pat Hazell, Chief Creative Officer, Sweetwood Creative
Patrick Donelly, Vice President of Theater Operations, Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts
Zak Mirz, Magician & Storyteller
Ella McAndrew, Director of Programming, The FIM
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Ep. 103 Live from MAX – The Art of Curation
The Pod Squad (including Bryan’s double, Bry-Bacca) was lucky enough to spend a week at the 2024 Midwest Arts Xpo and record interviews live once again in the expo hall! This week we bring you five mini-interviews and our own commentary on the topic of curation as we look forward to planning the 25-26 season.
Our guests this week are:
Gary Minyard, Chief Creative Officer, Dayton Live
Sarah Saltwick, Agent, Holden & Arts Associates
Joshua Kane, Artist/Producer, Wild Baboo Productions
Eric Matters, Director, Warren Performing Arts Center
Jeremy Davis, Artist, The Fabulous Equinox Orchestra
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Ep 102: We ❤️ Conferences!
The Pod Squad has finished the sprint that is the start of conference season and we’re pausing to reflect on our time at the 2024 Western Arts Alliance Conference and Midwest Arts Xpo. We discuss our differing experiences of conferencing over the course of our careers, what we love about evolving conference models and what is going well, and consider how conferences can shift to meet the current needs of our industry and look to the future. What is certain is that conference planning and execution is a big job, so we encourage you to serve on a committee or offer your expertise to help build our conference ecosystem! Josh will still be attending IEBA October 5 - 8, If you are attending, stop him and say hello.
To learn more about some of the conferences we discuss in this episode you can visit:
APAP: https://apap365.org/conference/
IEBA: https://www.ieba.org/conference-info-1
MAX: https://midwestartsxpo.org/
WAA: https://www.westarts.org/conference
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Ep. 101 Taína Lyons: Don’t Say No To Yourself
This week most of the crew as at the Midwest Arts Xpo, but we aren’t too busy to share conversations in the industry! This week our hosts talk about moments that were meant to be and Katie sits down with professional dancer Taina Lyons to talk about training as a young dancer, the life of a dancer, and advocating for yourself in a professional space.
Taina Lyons (@dancingrunner5 on Instagram) is a NYC based dancer currently dancing with the Mark Morris Dance Group.
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Ep. 100 Peter Noone: Watch Every Act
It’s our ONE HUNDREDTH EPISODE and to celebrate Josh sits down with a living legend, Peter Noone! Peter shares stories of his incredible (and still going) career. Our host share their 100 favorite things and dream of booking the bills of the 60s.
Don’t forget you can see us at MAX in booth #512
Peter Noone (https://peternoone.com/) is a multi talented entertainer known best for Herman’s Hermits
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Ep. 99 Colleen Jennings-Roggensack – Part 2: Must Have Passion
Welcome back to Part 2 of Bryan’s conversation with Colleen Jennings-Roggensack; while you can listen to this as a standalone episode, we would recommend starting with Part 1. This week Colleen talks about EDIA, creating the New Deal for Broadway (https://www.blacktheatreunited.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/BTU-New-Deal-For-Broadway.pdf), bringing children to the theatre, and more.
Colleen Jennings-Roggensack is the Executive Director of ASU Gammage (https://www.asugammage.com/). She is the Vice Chair of the Road for the Broadway League Board of Governors, the only Tony Awards voter in the state of Arizona, serves on the Black Theatre United Summit, and is a founding member of the Creative Capital Board and Senior Advisor to Women of Color in the Arts, and has been involved in numerous other national arts organizations.
Ep. 98 Colleen Jennings-Roggensack – Part 1: Broaden Your Horizon's to be a Success
This week our hosts are on the road recording in person at the Western Arts Alliance (WAA) Conference! It is also the first two-parter, because this week’s guest is a true rockstar in our industry, and a recent Tony Award Honoree. Colleen Jennings-Roggensack shares stories, insights, and lessons learned from her incredible career.
Colleen Jennings-Roggensack is the Executive Director of ASU Gammage (https://www.asugammage.com/). She is the Vice Chair of the Road for the Broadway League Board of Governors, the only Tony Awards voter in the state of Arizona, serves on the Black Theatre United Summit, and is a founding member of the Creative Capital Board and Senior Advisor to Women of Color in the Arts, and has been involved in numerous other national arts organizations.
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Ep. 97 Gretchen Shope: Defying My Own Expectations
Katie sits down with fellow Michigander and JIMMY AWARD WINNER, Gretchen Shope! Gretchen shares her passion for the performing arts, her gratefulness for her arts education, and gives us a peak backstage of the Jimmy Awards.
Don’t forget you can see our hosts at the Western Arts Alliance Conference next week! You can also see us at MAX in booth #512
Gretchen Shope is the 2024 Jimmy Award (https://www.jimmyawards.com/) winner for Best Performance by an Actress. You can see her award-winning performance here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF1Z5c9ZtJk
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Ep. 96 Randy Cohen: Make the Arts Unavoidable
This week Kevin sits down with his Arts Hero, Randy Cohen to talk about how the arts impact our lives with a heavy focus on the economic impact. Randy shares how he got started in the arts and helps our listeners to advocate for the arts. Our hosts share arts moments along with some exciting news, that we are coming to the Western Arts Alliance Conference!
Randy Cohen is the Vice President of Research at Americans for the Arts. Randy and his team led the Arts and Economic Prosperity 6 study. Local, State, and National data can be found here: https://aep6.americansforthearts.org/
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Ep. 95 Stephanie Mayers: Leave Space for What’s Possible
This week our hosts kick off the conversation talking about the great, boring, or weird PR they’ve gotten in the past, probably because they didn’t have Stephanie Mayers as their publicist. Stephanie talks with Danielle about being a part of the emergence and growth of the contemporary family music scene, running her own business, and gives us the 101 on what a publicist actually does.
Stephanie Mayers is the founder of Mayers Consulting (http://www.mayersconsulting.com/), an artist management, public relations, and booking firm.
Oh! And Katie has some exciting news! She left her job for another cool job and is also starting a cool business of her own – Michigan Maven Creative Associates! Learn more at https://www.michiganmaven.art/.
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Ep. 94 Heather Augustine: Bother Me
Katie and Josh sit down with Heather Augustine, the head audio technician on the Tony Award-winning musical, The Outsiders. Heather gives insight into the audio side of the performing arts, shares her story of being a female in a largely male dominated role, how to take care of yourself on tour, and much more! Our hosts talk about women working backstage and how much (or how little) has changed, hiring bias, and what they would do if they won a Tony – spoilers, lots of ego :)
Heather Augustine is a Mixer for The Outsiders on Broadway (https://outsidersmusical.com/). She has spent her career on the audio side of theatre, and writes for SoundGirls (https://soundgirls.org/category/blog/heather-augustine/) a site established to provide women working in professional audio a community to come to for support, advice, empowerment, and inspiration.
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Ep. 93 Eleanor and Ian Carney: Copy That, Thank You
The Pod Squad is back! Our hosts share what they have been up to for the past six weeks before Bryan shares his conversation with husband-and-wife team, Eleanor and Ian Carney. They share their journey to creating Lightwire Theater, working together as a couple, and the importance of learning other skills in the industry.
Eleanor and Ian Carney joint direct, manage, choreograph Lightwire Theater (https://www.lightwiretheater.com/). Lightwire Theater is a unique entertainment experience that utilizes light, technology, and music to tell captivating stories.
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Ep. 92: How to Mentor with Ally Haynes-Hamblin and Larry Kosson
As conference season fast approaches, the NBL team has another episode to help prepare you. Mentorship may not feel like a conference prep episode, but the NBL team would like to encourage more people to participate in conference mentorship whether as a mentor (for our experienced conference attendees) or a mentee (for those new to a conference). Kevin sits down with friends of the show and experienced mentors, Ally Haynes-Hamblin and Larry Kosson where they share tips and tricks for both potential mentors and mentees.
Ally Haynes-Hamblin is the Executive Director of the Charles W. Eisemann Center for Performing Arts in Richardson, Texas (https://www.eisemanncenter.com/). Ally is also a board member for the Association of Performing Arts Professionals (APAP).
Larry Kosson is the Founder and President of Kosson Talent (https://kossontalent.com)
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NBL UPDATE: How We Conference! Volume 2
This year we wanted to give our listeners more time to plan for their conference season, so this one is coming at you earlier in the year. We have also included a representative from the Western Arts Alliance, Heartland Performing Arts, Inc. (Midwest Arts Xpo), and the Association of Performing Arts Professionals, to tell you why you should attend conferences and what you can look forward to.
PLEASE NOTE: While the team will be at MAX, the booth number mentioned is from 2023, at MAX 2024 find us at booth 512!
We are fast approaching conference season, and in the episode our hosts talk about their approach to conferencing. Choosing your conference, what to do before you attend, while you are there, and even following up. They even cover some tips on what to pack so you are prepared!
You can find highlights, advice, and links in a PDF on our website: https://nobusinesslike.com/
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NBL Rewind: Michael Mushalla: Be Curious. Don’t Be Afraid.
Bryan takes us back to his and Kevin’s conversation with Michael Mushalla. Bryan reflects on how the summit created by Michael brought the hosts together, and how it encouraged him to show his true self and to think differently.
This week's episode is another special one! It highlights Michael Mushalla who introduced our hosts, and helped us all think differently about what comes next.
Michael Mushalla is the Owner and Founder of Double M Arts & Events, LLC
(https://double-m-arts.com/), as well as a wine consultant. Michael Mushalla along with Christine Cox created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.
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NBL Rewind: Sara Morgulis: Accessibility Isn’t a Checklist
Danielle takes us back to Sara Morgulis this week, because this is an episode she revisits to remind herself to keep going in this work, and because Sara gives tangible ways to normalize access, embed trauma-informed training, and lead with respect.
Danielle and Katie take time this week to talk with Sara Morgulis about theatre for young audiences. Sara talks about what TYA/USA does, the organization’s growth, her clear passion for accessibility in the arts, advocating for teaching artists, and so much more. Our hosts share the core tenets of their leadership philosophies and talk about the inviting role that accessibility plays in our industry.
Sara Morgulis is the Executive Director at Theatre for Young Audience USA – TYA/USA (https://www.tyausa.org/)
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NBL Rewind: Dominic Moore-Dunson: Defining Success
This week, Josh takes us back to Danielle’s interview with Dominic Moore-Dunson. Josh chose this episode because it brought to light problematic areas in our industry.
On this episode, our hosts talk about safety leading into Danielle’s engaging conversation with Dominic Moore-Dunson. Dominic shares his creative process, including his perspective on how an audience perceives his projects after creation, and how becoming a parent changed the way he was making art.
Dominic and Danielle also discuss the act of “trauma mining” in the arts and specifically funding of minority art works. As a note, Dominic mentions a story about a singer at Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” Speech, that singer was Mahalia Jackson.
Dominic Moore-Dunson (https://www.dommooredun.com/) is a dancer, choreographer, podcaster, and all-around creative entrepreneur. Dominic’s podcast inCOPnegro can be found here: https://www.incopnegro.com/
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NBL Rewind: Bill Blagg: An Overnight Success
On this week’s NBL Rewind, host Kevin Maynard re-shares his conversation with Bill Blagg. Kevin chose this conversation for the great content on the business of show business and for all of the laughs. He believes this episode is a great reminder of all the friendships we build in this industry.
This week Kevin sits down with his friend and magician, Bill Blagg. With Bill’s help, Kevin shares some of the lingo from the magic world with our fellow hosts. Bill shares his lifelong journey to where he is now, the importance of hard work, how seeing his first Broadway show changed everything, and really highlights the business of show business. Bill also shares life on the road as a husband and a father.
Bill Blagg is a magician, public speaker, entrepreneur, and more. For more information and to see Bill Blagg perform visit https://billblagg.com/
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NBL Rewind: Sarah McCarthy: Trust Your Intuition
On this week's NBL Rewind, host Katie Miller shares her conversation with Sarah McCarthy. Katie chose this conversation because it inspired her and asks you to listen and reflect on Sarah’s advice of trusting your intuition, taking chances, and following what feels right to you.
On this episode, Katie sits down with Sarah McCarthy to talk about theatre for young audiences, new projects, and juggling life with a full workload. Our hosts reminisce about their questionable music choices as young children and acknowledge that you can love your job and still need time for yourself.
Sarah McCarthy is the Agency Owner and Creative Producer at Dandelion Artists (https://www.dandelionartists.com/) representing the best in family music with artists like The Okee Dokee Brothers, Jazzy Ash, Justin Roberts, and more.
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Ep. 85 Pod Squad: Time for Mental Health
This week’s episode is short, but very honest. The Pod Squad is opening up about their mental health and taking some time off. Don’t worry though! We are re-releasing some episodes that made us laugh and made us think. You can listen to those, or get caught up on our extensive back catalogue.
Take care friends! We will be back with new episodes on mid-July.
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Ep. 84 Jorge Casco: From Handcuffs to Cufflinks
This week Kevin plays a game of Gen-Z Slang with his fellow hosts before he shares his in-depth conversation with Jorge Casco. Jorge shares his turbulent start in the arts, how the arts can save lives, the power of an individual, and reminds us that we are all loved.
Jorge Casco is the Executive Director of FLY Dance Company (https://www.flydancecompany.com/)
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Ep. 83 Lauren Jelencovich: Stay Present and Be Yourself
Bryan sits down with Lauren Jelencovich to talk about her impressive career. Lauren shares her journey from winning Star Search to attending the Manhattan School of Music to touring with Yanni as his featured vocalist for 13 years. Our hosts share phone calls that changed their lives and the importance of being present and saying yes.
Lauren Jelencovich (https://www.laurenjelencovich.com/) is a touring classical crossover artist.
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Ep. 82 David Alpert: Find the Solution
Katie sits down with a former fellow Michigander, David Alpert, to talk all things Broadway. David shares his journey from wanting to be a theatre director in 5th grade to directing on Broadway. Katie and David talk about the impact of their local theatre scene growing up, the different roles on a Broadway directing team, and the importance of “showing up.”
David Alpert is a New York City-based theatre director, adjunct faculty at NYU, and the creator and host of the “E-Ticket to Broadway” podcast (https://www.eticketpodcast.com/)
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Ep. 81 Mark Morris and Nancy Umanoff: Dance. Music. Community.
Our hosts spend this week thinking about what they thought they would be when they grew up. Josh and Kevin share their conversation with Mark Morris, who the New York Times called, “the most successful and influential choreographer alive, and indisputably the most musical” and Nancy Umanoff, the masterful executive director whose work creates the space for Mark Morris and the Mark Morris Dance Group to create art. They share their 38-year journey together, the creation of the Mark Morris Dance Center, and the challenges of the evolving funding landscape in the arts.
Mark Morris is the Artistic Director of the Mark Morris Dance Group. Nancy Umanoff is the Executive Director of the Mark Morris Dance Group (https://markmorrisdancegroup.org/)
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Ep. 80 Merrill Miller: Be a Sponge
This week we start with video games that taught us something before Bryan and Josh sit down with fellow presenter, Merrill Miller. Merrill shares his journey from booking his high school band gigs to booking bands at the North Shore Center. He talks about the challenges of booking a venue so close to Chicago, what a performing arts center can be, the importance of hospitality for performers, and a little about his hobby outside of the industry.
Merrill Miller is the Manager of Concerts/Marketing Assistant at the North Shore Center for the Performing Arts (https://northshorecenter.org/) in Skokie, Illinois.
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Ep. 79 Jeeyoon Kim: A Degree Doesn’t Guarantee Anything
Our hosts start this week’s episode talking about changing traditions. Bryan shares his conversation with award-winning performer, Jeeyoon Kim. Jeeyoon shares how and why she is challenging the traditions of classical music, her unique start in Korea with playing the piano, and the challenges of being a classical music performer after university.
Jeeyoon Kim is a classical pianist, educator, author (https://www.jeeyoonkim.com/product-page/whenever-you-re-ready-autographed-copy) and a podcaster (https://www.jeeyoonkim.com/podcast) with a mission to create a bridge between her as a performer and her audience to better share classical music.
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Ep. 78 Sarah Saltwick: Bring Your Whole Self
This week, Danielle and Katie share their conversation with the powerhouse that is Sarah Saltwick. They dig into taking ownership of Holden & Arts, managing the agency with three leaders, and what running an agency entails. Sarah also shares how she got started in the industry, how she continues to get involved and learn more, and attempting to balance business, life, and her artistic endeavors. Our hosts this week take a look back in their lives to what seemed like simpler times.
Sarah Saltwick is a Co-Director of Holden & Arts Associates (https://www.holdenarts.org/) and handles Sales & Artistic Relations. She is also a playwright and avid supporter of the industry as a whole through various volunteer roles.
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Ep. 77 John Ernesto: Take Care of the Artist, Take Care of the Fans
To start this episode our hosts discuss the artist they presented that created that surreal moment of “I can’t believe this is happening”. Bryan and John discuss the origin of the Berks Jazz Fest and its subsequent development. His theory on taking care of the artist and the fans and the rest will take care of itself. We learn about how the Jazz Fest developed through community partnerships and everyone being on board.
John is retiring as general manager and artistic director of The Berks Jazz Fest, a festival featuring over 100 performances in 10 days. Find more information at https://www.berksjazzfest.com
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Ep. 76 Jenny Sirota and Didi Perez: Be Confident, Stay Educated, and Stay Flexible
Our hosts share their choices for “live on stage” adaptations before Josh shares his conversation with Jenny and Didi. They share their incredible journey in starting RoadCo in collaboration with Sony Music Entertainment. This honest conversation shares the ins and outs of this relationship, what it takes to put a show on the road, and how relationships with presenters help influence new touring shows.
Didi Perez and Jenny Sirota are both Principal Agents for RoadCo Entertainment (https://www.roadcoentertainment.com/)
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Ep. 75 Joshua Heim: Embed Art in Your Community
This week Katie and Kevin sit down with Joshua Heim to talk equity, Western Arts Alliance, the state of the arts and more. Josh shares his journey in the arts, Hula as a lifestyle, working with and for constituents, and the role of the arts in communities. Our hosts this week share awkward meetings and interesting meeting locations.
Joshua Heim is the Executive Director of Western Arts Alliance (https://www.westarts.org/)
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Ep. 74 Ally Haynes-Hamblin: Trust Yourself and Go with the Flow
Our hosts share just some of the many influential women in their lives. Danielle sits down with another influential woman in our lives, Ally Haynes-Hamblin. Ally shares her lineage in the arts, the challenging role of being a "fixer,” her leadership style and philosophy, and how to get involved in a community.
Ally Haynes-Hamblin is the Executive Director of the Charles W. Eisemann Center for Performing Arts in Richardson, Texas (https://www.eisemanncenter.com/). Ally is also a board member for the Association of Performing Arts Professionals (APAP).
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Ep. 73 Jim Lenz: Transparency Leads to Trust
Our hosts share their dreams on what they would do with an abandoned mall before our guest Jim Lenz joins Josh for a conversation. Jim shares his love for live music, booking artists into venues in high school, importance of artists taking control of their marketing, and changes in PAC rock shows over the years.
Jim Lenz is with TKO Booking Agency (https://tkoco.com/).
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Ep. 72 David Rowell: Inspiring the Next Generation
Our hosts talk about times they said, “never again,” and then totally did again. This week Bryan sits down with David Rowell, an amazing educator and mentor in the industry. David shares his introduction to the arts, clown ministry, his incredible career, opening performance venues, and teaching the future of the industry. He is joined by two of his students, Ashanique Riche and Hannah Pogemiller, who share their unique view of the industry and an inside look at the program at Dean College.
David Rowell is the Associate Professor and Program Coordinator of Arts and Entertainment Management at Dean College in Franklin, Massachusetts (https://www.dean.edu/academics/majors-degrees/arts-and-entertainment-management/). Ashanique Riche and Hannah Pogemiller are students in the Arts and Entertainment Management Program.
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Ep. 71 The Okee Dokee Brothers: Being Connected to Families is an Honor
Before we kick-off this week’s interview the Pod Squad gives their opinion on camping, and the team congrats Josh on his appointment to the board of NAPAMA (https://www.napama.org/). The Okee Dokee Brothers join the podcast to be interviewed by their number one grownup fan, Katie Miller! They share how they started the group, their adventure albums, engaging with their fans to market their shows, turning down a GRAMMY nomination, and more.
Joe Mailander and Justin Lansing make up The GRAMMY Award winning group, The Okee Dokee Brothers (https://www.okeedokee.org/). Joe and Justin record and perform family music with a goal to inspire children and their parents to step outside and get creative.
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Ep. 70 Sarah Rogers: The Scariest Things Are the Most Rewarding
Our hosts talk about big professional risks and this week Kevin shares his conversation with Sarah Rogers. Sarah shares her early introduction to the arts, her introduction to being an agent, the challenges of touring major dance pieces and more. Sarah also shares the importance of mentorship and the importance of funding mentorship programs. Our host continue the conversation about dance, international work, and green touring.
Sarah Rogers is an agent and producer representing Dana Gingras, Animals of Distinction (https://animalsofdistinction.org/)
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Ep. 69 Dan Talmi: The Art of Rebranding
Our hosts talk about “pandemic pivots,” before Josh’s engaging conversation with Dan Talmi. Dan Talmi shares his almost reluctant start in the family business, overseeing an impressive rebrand amid global conflict, the evolution of marketing, merchandising as an experience, and so much more. Our hosts continue the conversation and discuss the concept of the “house merch cut.”
Dan Talmi is a Producing Director at Talmi Entertainment, the company behind the holiday classic, Nutcracker! Magical Christmas Ballet (https://nutcracker.com/)
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Ep. 68 Jared Freiburg: Roll With the Punches and Treat People With Respect
The Pod Squad talks who they would play in a biopic, with varying levels of seriousness. This week Katie talks with Jared Freiburg, who “can play like a mother”, about his incredible and short (but still unfolding) career. Jared shares how he started working in the touring industry, life as a cruise ship performer, life on the road, starting his own band, the challenges of being a performer, and so much more. Jared also shares some tangible takeaways for new artists who want to get started touring.
Jared Freiburg (https://jfreiburg.com/) is a musician, performer, and front man of Jared Freiburg and The Vagabonds. Jared toured as Jerry Lee Lewis in Million Dollar Quartet and helped create the role of Jerry Lee Lewis in Million Dollar Quartet Christmas.
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Ep. 67 Dena Blizzard: Learn Your Craft, Be Funny
Our hosts share embarrassing moments before Bryan and Josh share their conversation with comedian Dena Blizzard. Dena tells her story of being a comic, creating an off-Broadway show, and eventually creating a multi-media company, starting with her unique approach to marketing. Dena shares funny stories and poignant moments in her career.
Dena Blizzard is a comedian, mother of three and creator of “One Funny Mother”, a multi-media company creating content (https://www.onefunnymother.com/), products and live comedy shows about “Wine, Women and Laughter”.
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Ep. 66 Pam Komar: Mindful Service
This week Katie shares her conversation with friend of the podcast Pam Komar of the Pittsburgh Cultural Trust. They discuss the power of embracing change, how to focus on wellness and taking care of yourself, and how particular programming areas are avenues to connecting with disengaged audiences. Pam also shares the history of the Cultural Trust and the impact it continues to have on Pittsburgh. Our hosts share how they unplug and take time for themselves, and we discover that Kevin is actually from the Jersey Shore.
Pam Komar is the Director of Programming at The Pittsburgh Cultural Trust (https://trustarts.org/).
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Ep. 65 Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams
Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-time employee, the Guaranteed Income Program she is managing for Springboard for the Arts, and the importance of pay equity. Our hosts talk about their life in cross stich, what individuals can do to increase pay equity, and how we can learn more on these topics.
Wone Vang is an artist (https://3drdcrafts.com/) and the Economic Opportunity Director at Springboard for the Arts (https://springboardforthearts.org/).
Resources mentioned in this episode:
The Art of Economic Justice: https://springboardforthearts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GI_Impact_Report_SBftA_2023.pdf
Stefanie O’Connell Rodriguez: https://tooambitious.com/
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Ep. 64 Micah Christian: A Process Unfolding
This week Bryan sits down with the lead vocalist of Sons of Serendip, Micah Christian. Micah opens up about his journey into creating music, learning to not compare himself to others, life on the road, and more. Meanwhile, our hosts have a rousing conversation about ringtones and ring backs, Bryan effectively shuts down criticism, and realize we all have learning to do on how the music charts work.
Micah Christian is an artist passionate about storytelling, composing, and performing music that supports, enhances, and creates meaningful moments. He is the co-founder and lead vocalist of America's Got Talent Finalist, Sons of Serendip (https://www.sonsofserendip.com/). Micah is also on the board of NAPAMA.
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Ep. 63 It’s a New Years’ Spectacular! … with Guests!
The holiday season is busy and filled with surprises just like this episode! Three guests + 5 hosts = 1 fun filled episode! We’d like to thank our guests Christine Cox, Tracie Lawie, and Barron Ryan for closing out the year with us with some games and some resolutions. Thank you for listening this past year!
Christine Cox – Ep. 16: is the Owner and Founder of C Squared Entertainment (https://www.csquaredentertainment.com/) and the Executive Producer of the Off Broadway family-friendly magic show, The Amazing Max (http://theamazingmaxlive.com/).
Tracie Lawie – Ep. 29: is the Director of the Miller Auditorium (https://www.millerauditorium.com/).
Barron Ryan – Ep. 60: (https://www.barronryan.com/) is a composer, performer, author, and creator
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Ep. 62 Sara Barasch: It Doesn’t Have to be Perfect
Katie connects with friend of the pod, Sara Barasch. Katie and Sara dive into industry hot topics including block booking, the booking cycle, how to connect with venues/buyers, and how a childhood of dance and musical theatre led her to becoming an agent. Our hosts talk about pivotal show moments in their lives, the importance of relationship building with agents you are working with, and more.
Sara Barasch is the Senior Vice President, Booking Manager at IMG Artists (https://imgartists.com/)
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Ep. 61 Devin and Lolita Walker: Know Your Worth
This week our hosts kick off the conversation discussing being in business with family. This week Danielle sits down with the powerhouse couple Devin and Lolita Walker. Danielle, Devin, and Lolita talk in-depth about being business owners, the lives of teaching artists, and the need for advocacy around working conditions and fair pay for teaching artists. They also discuss the importance of asking for help, transferrable skills, and taking time off to rest.
Devin and Lolita Walker are the co-owners of The Uncle Devin Show, a live musical experience for children (https://theuncledevinshow.com) and WeeMusic Radio (https://www.weenationradio.com), a streaming radio station curated for kids and families.
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Ep. 60 Barron Ryan: The Evidence of Beauty
This week our hosts guide you in creating your own mission statement, and share a bit about their own. Kevin sits down with the effortlessly cool Barron Ryan, to talk about how he got started, his creative process, being named one of Smithsonian's Top Innovators to watch in 2021, and his new book, Honey, If It Wasn’t for You. You can get a copy of his book at https://www.book.barronryan.com/
Barron Ryan (https://www.barronryan.com/) is a composer, performer, author, and creator.
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Ep 59 Kevin Maynard: People Come First
Bryan and Josh host our final Interpodsquad interview with the incomparable Kevin Maynard. We learn about Kevin’s surprising (but unsurprisingly wholesome) first foray into live performance, how his business and accounting background gave him a firm foundation as an arts leader, and Kevin’s philosophies around taking on challenges and supporting his staff. The Mystery of the Mustache is also revealed! And Danielle, per usual, continues to torture Kevin.
Kevin L. Maynard is the Executive Director of Quad City Arts, splitting the border between Iowa and Illinois (www.quadcityarts.com). He is also an avid runner, community theater actor, lover of spreadsheets, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 58 Pumpkin Pie Episode: The Lightning Rounds at MAX
It’s Pumpkin Pie Week! This week the “Quad” Producers are kicking back and taking it easy with family and friends and what better to release than our final episode from our time with all our friends at the Midwest Arts Expo. Thank you to everyone who sat down with us in our booth. As an added bonus, we compiled a playlist with the answers to the question, “What is your favorite Broadway song?”
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6XHEZzfCHTIXR6de0DKk7q?si=6cfb6b749c314fca
In this episode:
Robert Baird, Jackie Banks-Mahlum, Lindsay Bauer, Kara Bechstein, Kiersten Birondo, Krista Bradley, Miles Brooks, Reba Cafarelli, Lisa Conlon, Tiana Conway, Christine Cox, Jeremy Davis, Genevieve DeMerchant, Jared Duymovic, Ally Hayes-Hamblin, Audrey Johnson, Clay Johnson, Spring Karlo, Jacob Kinderman, Chad Lindsay, David Mitchell, Michela Musolino, Fiona Nagle, Siusan O’Rourke, Rocky Peter, Leslie Rodriguez, Jessica Rosenblatt, Willie Santiago, Kevin Spencer, Steve Thithavong, Chris Vallillo, and David Wannen.
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Ep. 57 Karra Beach: Calling the Cues
Our hosts start out sharing the difficulties of working in the performing arts and why they have all had thoughts of leaving, and the brighter side of why they don’t and why they love what they do. Josh spends time catching up with an old friend, Karra Beach. They talk about her journey in and outside of the industry, engaging students in the performing arts, deeper engagement with their Broadway subscribers, the complexities of Broadway contracts, and more. We also learn that there is very little Josh won’t do for theatre (allegedly).
Karra Beach is the Director of Broadway Engagement Programs at The Overture Center in Madison, Wisconsin (https://www.overture.org/)
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Ep. 56 Sara Morgulis: Accessibility Isn’t a Checklist
Danielle and Katie take time this week to talk with Sara Morgulis about theatre for young audience. Sara talks about what TYA/USA does, the organizations growth, her clear passion for accessibility in the arts, advocating for teaching artists, and so much more. Our hosts share the core tenets of their leadership philosophies and talk about the inviting role that accessibility plays in our industry.
Sara Morgulis is the Executive Director at Theatre for Young Audience USA – TYA/USA (https://www.tyausa.org/)
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Ep. 55 Simon Shaw: Make Friends, Don’t Be an A**hole
This week's interview is a long-time in the making as Katie and Kevin sit down with good friend of the podcast, Simon Shaw. Simon shares his journey in the arts that took him from the UK to the United States and from being a promotor to founding an agency. He also shares the new challenges of booking in the arts. Simon references research from New Victory Theatre (https://www.newvictory.org/about/research/impact-of-performing-arts-on-kids/)
Our host continue the conversation and share what group they would tour with, given the chance.
Simon Shaw is the Founder and Chief Trouble Maker at Shaw Entertainment Group (https://shawentertainment.com/)
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Ep. 54 Caroline Neyman: Change is Inevitable
Our hosts remember moments their colleagues did something kind for them or made them feel special. Katie spends some time sitting down with her friend Caroline Neyman. Caroline talks about being at a performance venue from the ground up, imposter syndrome, being a parent in the arts industry, and more.
Caroline Neyman is the Senior Director of Operations at Sonoma State University’s Green Music Center (https://gmc.sonoma.edu/)
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Ep. 53: It’s an Anniversary Episode!
It’s been a full year of episodes and this week the “Quad” Producers took some time to celebrate this major milestone and look back on 52 weeks of episodes. Thanks for all of your support and we are looking forward to another year of laughter and learning.
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Ep. 52: Live From Our Booth at MAX Part 2
We are back with the rest of booth interview from MAX! The team spent three days in the Exhibit Hall at the Midwest Arts Expo, and while we weren’t talking to agents in their booths, we were talking to people in ours! This episode features 19 interviews!
Included in this episode:
Robert Baird, Jackie Banks-Mahlum, Kara Bechstein, Kiersten Birondo, Reba Cafarelli, Jason Cohen, Maltz Maryann Crist, Genevieve DeMerchant, Jared Duymovic, Anne Grove, Audrey Johnson, Spring Karlo, Jacob Kinderman, David Mitchell, Fiona Nagle, Carey Rayburn, Leslie Rodriguez, Jamie-Sue Seal, and Matt Travis
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Ep. 51: Live From Our Booth at MAX Part 1
How do celebrate a successful first time exhibiting? With a jam-packed episode of mini-interviews! The team spent three days in the Exhibit Hall at the Midwest Arts Expo, and while we weren’t talking to agents in their booths, we were talking to people in ours! This episode features 21 interviews!
Included in this episode:
Lindsay Bauer, Martha Boehm, Jorge Casco, Lisa Conlon, Tiana Conway, Margot Day, Etienne Gara, Victor Haskins, Ally Hayes-Hamblin, Steve Hoffman, Jeff Laramie, Chad Lindsay, Michela Musolino, Rocky Peter, Jessica Rosenblatt, Jennifer Ross, Bianca Saltaformaggio, Kevin Spencer, Steve Thithavong, Rory Trainor, Chris Vallillo
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Ep. 50 Peter Palermo: Be Okay with What You Don’t Know
This week Josh sits down with Peter Palermo at his venue The Sheldon. Peter talks about his journey to wanting to be an actor to production management to running a venue. He shares his approach to programing and the “Palermo Spice”, the unique and sometimes uncertain environment of working on a college campus, and buckling down to do the work. Our hosts talk about feeling comfortable with themselves and their position in the field, or their progress with that.
Peter Palermo is the Executive Director of The Sheldon Arts Foundation (https://www.thesheldon.org/).
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Ep. 49 Katie Trzaska-Miller: Creating Connections
Danielle and Kevin continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week we learn about our fellow host, Katie Miller. After a quick game of “How Pure Michigan is She?,” Katie shares her origin story starting as a dancer at a young age and eventually maintaining and managing an historic theatre on her own at the age of 23. Katie also shares her passion for her community, connecting colleagues, educating and bringing up the next generation, and having tough conversations about equity.
Katie Trzaska-Miller is the Senior Manager of Community & Group Engagement at the Midland Center for the Arts (https://www.midlandcenter.org/) Katie is also a mother, an active member of her community (both locally and in the arts community), and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 48 Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People
On this episode Danielle sits down with a friend of the pod, Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance of community, and so much more. Our hosts realize they don’t know much about the differences between US and Canada culturally and talk funding and theatre for young audiences.
Tara Bailey is the Founder of Bailiwick Booking Agency and Arts Management (https://www.bailiwick.biz/). Tara also sits on the board of NAPAMA and AASPAA.
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Ep. 47 Bill Blagg: An Overnight Success
This week Kevin sits down with his friend and magician, Bill Blagg. With Bill’s help, Kevin shares some of the lingo from the magic world with our fellow hosts. Bill shares his lifelong journey to where he is now, the importance of hard work, how seeing his first Broadway show changed everything, and really highlights the business of show business. Bill also shares life on the road as a husband and a father. Meanwhile, our hosts are making cat noises.
Bill Blagg is a magician, public speaker, entrepreneur, and more. For more information and to see Bill Blagg perform visit https://billblagg.com/
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Ep. 46 Bryan Zellmer: Don’t Be Afraid to Show Your Silliness
In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week Katie and Josh sit down with Bryan. Bryan shares his journey from marketing director to arts admin, how his programming style has shifted as our ecosystem changes, the pitfalls of “quality” art, and his passion for collaboration in every aspect of his life. He also shows off his natural storytelling skills sharing vulnerable, heartwarming, and hilarious parts of his life.
Bryan Zellmer is the Director of KU Presents! at Kutztown University (https://www.kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/ku-presents.html) Bryan is also a father, a mentor, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 45 How We Conference!
We are fast approaching conference season, and in the episode our hosts talk about their approach to conferencing. Choosing your conference, what to do before you attend, while you are there, and even following up. They even cover some tips on what to pack so you are prepared!
You can find highlights, advice, and links in a PDF on our website: https://nobusinesslike.com/
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Ep. 44 Ron Destefano: Too Crazy to Make Up
Josh and Danielle sit down with the ever engaging, Ron Destefano. Ron shares his journey in the industry starting with degrees in Music and Chemistry to performing full-time, to starting a management company. We even learn about his connection with Ariana Grande! Our hosts also discuss how important self-awareness, humility, authenticity, and passion are as we move through our careers in our industry.
Ron Destafano is the Producing Director of EPIC Arts Management (https://www.epicartsmanagement.com/) and performing artist.
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Ep. 43 Danielle Van Hook: Comforting, Yet Challenging
In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, this week Bryan and Katie sit down with Danielle, and finally put her in the hot seat! We learn about the journey that led her to arts administration, where her passion for DEIA comes from and why it’s important to her, how she programs entertainment and keeps it accessible, and so much more. Danielle also shares her love of the Pocahontas Project (https://www.pocahontasproject.org/) and the podcast Seeing White (https://sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/)
Danielle Van Hook is the Director of Youth Programs at The Alden Theatre in McLean, Virginia (https://mcleancenter.org/about/visit/the-alden-theatre/). Danielle is also a mother of twins, an ally, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 42 Mason Moss: Be Undeniable
In this episode our hosts learn some new (and old) theatre terms in what was definitely not a game and Kevin sits down with Mason Moss. Mason talks about how he got started touring with the Book of Mormon, getting to conduct on Broadway, and gives some incredible advice to those just getting started.
Mason Moss (@bluesinmossflat) is the Music Director for the Book of Mormon National Tour (https://thebookofmormontour.com/)
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Ep. 41 Jeremy Davis and Clay Johnson: Visionaries and Integrators
In this episode our hosts discuss pivotal moments that that led to their careers. Josh and Bryan sit down with Jeremy Davis and Clay Johnson of The Fabulous Equinox Orchestra. They discuss their beginning in music and how that developed into being lifelong best friends. Jeremy talks about the process of jumping off the cliff into music full time. We also dive into the concepts from rocketfuel and how important it is to have complimentary skill sets.
Jeremy Davis and Clay Johnson are the frontmen for The Fabulous equinoxorchestra.com
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Ep. 40 Josh Benson: Making Time
In this episode we do something a little different and interview one of our own! Join Danielle and Kevin as they sit down with fellow host, Josh Benson. Josh answers the hard-hitting questions like which one of the seven dwarves he identifies most with and what prank he wants to pull on his fellow host. Eventually, Josh shares the journey from theatre to autobody work and back to theatre, his change in leadership style, the impressive arts driven growth in Marion, IL, his family, and so much more. Some of his mural work can be found here: http://marionmurals.com/
Josh Benson is the Executive Director of the Marion Cultural and Civic Center (https://marionccc.com/) in Marion, Illinois. Josh is also a muralist, father, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Ep. 39 Andre Bouchard: Erasing Invisibility of Indigenous People
In this episode our hosts explore what their own states do or do not have in place from a systemic standpoint for the acknowledgement of Indigenous People that were native to those lands. Danielle sits down for a conversation with Andre Bouchard. Through this conversation we gain insight into not just the importance of land acknowledgements, but why the intent behind them is of much more importance. We learn about how Andre Crafted his roster of Indigenous performers and ensembles; and the importance of their presence on stages across the country.
Andre Bouchard is the founder of Indigenous Performance Productions https://www.indigenousperformance.org
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Ep. 38 Chris Fontakis: Be Free to Fail
In this episode our hosts discuss their favorite sketch comedy personalities, and Bryan sits down with Chris Fontakis; the founder of Serious Comedy Theater. Chris dives into his history with Upright Citizens Brigade , IO West, and The Groundlings. He also discusses starting his own company and what it meant to start it in a small town like Beacon, New York.
Chris Fontakis is the founder of www.seriouscomedytheatre.com
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Ep. 37 Neil Murray: Be a Listener
In this episode our hosts talk about their favorite concerts, and Josh sits down with an absolute legend, Neil Murray. Neil shares his unlikely path into the theatrical arts, his role as a member of the founding team of the National Theatre of Scotland (https://www.nationaltheatrescotland.com/), his time as Executive Director of the Abbey Theatre – The National Theatre of Ireland (https://www.abbeytheatre.ie/), and so much more. Neil’s conversation leads the hosts post-interview conversations on equitable theatre practices and the challenges to change.
Neil Murray is a theatre producer and an executive director.
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Ep. 36 Karoline Myers: Because it is Wonderful
This week's episode has our hosts talking about great pieces of family and educational theatre, and Katie sits down with Karoline Myers. Karoline shares her journey in the field, the transition from managing a program to managing a team, and the importance of educational programing. She also reminds us of the power of relationships and networking.
Karoline Myers is the Director of Education at the Des Moines Performing Arts (https://desmoinesperformingarts.org/)
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Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard and Be Patient
In this episode we learn about the Quadproducers chores or jobs as a child that they felt instilled a work ethic in them. Meanwhile, Josh sits down with Jacob Deaton and learns how he took advantage of his Sunday service time to learn more about music, how that led to his development of skills as a guitar player. We also learn how his secret drumset in high school turned into him being an accomplished guitar player.
Jacob Deaton is the Owner of https://www.georgiaplayersguild.com and https://www.shindigmyevent.com
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Ep. 34 Leah Keith: Ask More Questions
Bryan sits down with Leah Keith co founder, Creative Producer, and agent for Rhythm of The Arts Producing Agency. We learn of her background as a Flamenco Dancer and on into her roles as an agent and eventually starting a new agency. Bryan and Leah dive into the corporate and organizational structure of some large corporate agencies. Leah closes the interview with some fantastic advice for anyone getting into the industry or in leadership at all. Also, our quad hosts discuss their early leadership styles and whether they were successful or not.
Leah Keith is Cofounder, Creative Producer, and Agent at https://www.rhythmofthearts.com/
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Ep. 33 Adia Morris Swanger: Show Up in Places Where People Don’t Expect You
Adia Morris Swanger sits down with Kevin to talk about the business skills needed in the arts and what Springboard for the Arts is doing to help provide those skills. Adia also shares the journey that led her to having a multi-faceted career in the arts and how she manages it all. Our hosts share their onstage mishaps and talk about life with kids while working in the arts.
Adia Morris Swanger is the Program Manager, Professional Development at Springboard for the Arts (https://springboardforthearts.org/) leading the Work of Art Program (https://springboardforthearts.org/professional-growth/work-of-art-program/). Adia is also a freelance theatre artist, writer, educator, and mother.
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Ep. 32 Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time
Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part of the industry outside of performance. Bob talks about how change and growth takes time, vision, and a good team. Our hosts share their spirit/drink of choice, so now you know what to get us when you see us at “the hang” at conferences! The team also discuss more important topics like the economics of the arts and the many opportunities outside of just performance.
Bob Bennet is the Artistic Director/Director of Operations for Jazz St. Louis (https://jazzstl.org/).
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Ep. 31 Meena Malik: Don’t Be Afraid to Speak Up
Katie sits down with Meena Malik to discuss genuine relationship building outside of programming, focusing on the importance of the relationship between arts funders and those they fund or want to fund, the importance of building a relationship when inviting someone to have meaningful and potentially traumatic conversations, and more. Our hosts talk about impactful moments in arts education, and some resources for tough conversations in the EDI space.
Seeing White: https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/
Harvard Kennedy School Library Racial Justice Reading List
Meena Malik (https://www.meenamalik.com/) is a musician, arts consultant, facilitator, and mediator, who is known as a mover and shaker re-defining what conversations around equity in the arts look like.
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Ep. 30 Anthony Wilkinson: You Have to Love What You Do
Bryan chats with Anthony Wilkinson about his many paths into and around the performing arts. They talk about his hit show My Big Gay Italian Wedding, his start as a writer in soap operas, his public speaking, and his eventual journey to leading the Avenel Performing Arts Center. Our hosts discuss surprising audience successes, soap operas, and the need for open conversations around burnout and getting to proper staffing levels.
Anthony Wilkinson is the Executive and Artistic Director of the Avenel Performing Arts Center (https://avenelarts.com/). He is also a playwright, actor, director and public speaker.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.
Ep. 29 Tracey Lawie: an a-ha moment; a defining moment
Today we hear about our "Quadproducers" first Broadway experiences. Then, Josh talks with Tracey Lawie about Booking Broadway, and the importance of representation in the arts. She discusses the rewarding parts of an art admin position, and how they are based in transformations.
Tracey Lawie is the Director of the Miller Auditorium (https://www.millerauditorium.com/).
Americans for the Arts- Arts and Economic Prosperity - Americans For The Arts Economic Study
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Ep. 28 Jonathan Burns: Making It More Ridiculous
Episode 28 starts with our Quadhosts chatting about the weather and then into talking about the presence of our families in our spaces. Then Bryan sits down with comedic magician Jonathan Burns as they chat about how he got into magic, how some of his funniest bits came about, and his post pandemic view on family and work-life balance.
Information about Jonathan Burns, as well as his tour schedule can be found at www.iheartburns.com
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Ep. 27 Dan Mann: Career by Accident
In this episode, the pod squad debates their preferred handheld chicken preferences and Josh has an engaging interview with Dan Mann! Dan shares his journey to becoming an agent, starting a label and publishing company, and now producing a TV Show.
Dan Mann is the Owner/Agent at Agency Etc (www.agency-etc.com) in Nashville.
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Ep. 26 Mark Wilson: Take Those Risks
This week, our hosts take a moment to reflect on teachers who had an impact on their lives. Brian sits down with the energetic, fountain of knowledge, Mark Wilson. They touch on a number of topics, including a masterclass on connecting with your entire community.
Mark Wilson is the Executive Director of the Zoellner Arts Center at Lehigh University (https://zoellner.cas.lehigh.edu/home).
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Ep. 25 Natalie Marerro: Ancestral Keys
On this week's episode, our hosts talk about the impact and their love of people who are passionate about what they do. Josh and Danielle sit down with one of these individuals, Natalie Marerro. Natalie talks about becoming an Executive Director at 23, the impact of Viver Brasil, and the importance of “Ancestral Keys.“
Natalie Marerro is the Executive Director of Viver Brasil (https://www.viverbrasil.com/). She is passionate about place-making for communities through art practices and has dedicated her career to preserving culture.
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Ep. 24 Jerry and Adrienne Crane-Ross: Get to Know Your Marketplace
In episode 24, our hosts recall adjacent experience that loosely correlated to their current careers, and Josh and Kevin sit down to talk business with Jerry Ross and Adrienne Crane-Ross. Jerry discusses his path to the industry through being in a band and managing a rehearsal studio while Adrienne recalls her path into the industry through being a sound engineer and then a multiple Emmy Award winning PBS Children’s producer. Both Jerry and Adrienne worked through these experiences into their roles as agents in their agency Harmony Artists. (www.harmonyartists.com) They also discuss how they built their agency as well as the important things to pay attention to as you come up in this industry.
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Ep. 23 EALS: The Future is Bright!
We are joined by the student leaders of the Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (EALS), Morgan Fuller, Faith Smith, and Lisette DuFore. Katie jumped at the opportunity to chat with the future leaders in our industry to hear what is important to them as they enter the field. Our hosts share what they thought they would be doing when they were still in college, and share stories of the big actions they are taking in their organizations.
American University (https://www.american.edu/) hosts the annual Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (https://www.ealsatau.org/) which is student led. Morgan Fuller (Executive Director), Faith Smith (Director of Finance), and Lisette DuFore (Marketing and Communications Coordinator) are part of the 2022-2023 Leadership.
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Ep. 21 Dominic Moore-Dunson: Defining Success
On this episode, our hosts talk about safety leading into Danielle’s engaging conversation with Dominic Moore-Dunson. Dominic shares his creative process, including his perspective on how an audience perceives his projects after creation, and how becoming a parent changed the way he was making art. Dominic and Danielle also discuss the act of “trauma mining” in the arts and specifically funding of minority art works. As a note, Dominic mentions a story about a singer at Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” Speech, that singer was Mahalia Jackson.
Dominic Moore-Dunson (https://www.dommooredun.com/) is a dancer, choreographer, podcaster, and all-around creative entrepreneur. Dominic’s podcast inCOPnegro can be found here: https://www.incopnegro.com/
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Ep. 21 Stephen Sunderlin: Theatre is an Apprenticeship
On this episode, our hosts recall thing that drew them into booths at conferences, and Bryan sits down to talk business with Stephen Sunderlin. Stephen shares his story of moving to NYC and eventually becoming the Artistic Director at Vital Theatre Company. Stephen shares the benefits of connections, the details of producing new works, the importance of good marketing materials, and the value of being open to working every experience in theatre.
Stephen Sunderlin is the Producing Artistic Director of Vital Theatre Company (https://www.vitaltheatre.org/) bringing to life productions like Pinkalicious The Musical, Fancy Nancy, and more!
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Ep. 20 Michael Mushalla: Be Curious. Don’t Be Afraid.
This week's episode is another special one! It highlights Michael Mushalla who introduced our hosts, and helped us all think differently about what comes next.
Michael Mushalla is the Owner and Founder of Double M Arts & Events, LLC (https://double-m-arts.com/), as well as a wine consultant. Michael Mushalla along with Christine Cox created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.
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*warning - there is some explicit language in this episode.
Ep. 19 Christine Cox: Keep Dreaming Big
This week's episode is a special one! It is the first of two that highlights the individuals that introduced our hosts. Our hosts talk about getting that phone call, and then Bryan, Danielle, and Kevin share their conversation with Christine Cox. Christine shares her journey from playing a Princess to owning her own agency and gives incredible insight on the risk vs. Reward of artist acquisitions and contract types.
Christine Cox is the Owner and Founder of C Squared Entertainment (https://www.csquaredentertainment.com/) and the Executive Producer of the Off Broadway Family-Friendly magic show, The Amazing Max (http://theamazingmaxlive.com/). Christine Cox along with Michael Mushalla created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.
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Ep. 18 Christi Dortch: It’s About What We’re Building
Our hosts talk about their favorite experience on stage. Katie chats with Christi Dortch about her career journey, when to listen to what your community is ready for and when to push them. Katie and Christi also discuss the relearning of in person communication coming out of the pandemic zoom meeting norm. The interview covers 3 things that you can use to shape your strategic plan and Christi discusses the function of state consortiums.
Christi Dortch is a consultant in the nonprofit sector focusing on long term strategy. Christi is also the Executive Director of Tennessee Presenters.(https://www.tnpresenters.org)
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Ep. 17 Marian Liebowitz: What Puts Fire in Your Belly?
Our hosts talk about the instruments they played when they were younger, and the importance of arts education. Bryan takes an opportunity to chat with Marian Liebowitz about her teaching background and the importance of the business side of our industry, as well as her unique approach to curating artists.
Marian Liebowitz is the owner of Marian Liebowitz Artist Management (https://www.marianliebowitz.com/) as well as a former performer and professor.
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Ep. 16 Josh Holliday: Creative Instinct and Arts Marketing
Josh Holliday joins our host, Katie, to demystify Arts Marketing by giving real examples of how to create a marketing plan, how PR differs from marketing, and more. Our hosts talk about their favorite marketing campaigns, and revel in the masterclass that Josh Holliday presented in this short interview.
Josh Holliday has a career in Arts Marketing, founded Fresh Coast Perspective (https://www.freshcoastperspective.com/), and is currently the Director of Communications at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center (https://www.tpac.org/).
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On this episode, Bryan sits down with Alaska’s Fiddling Poet, Ken Waldman. Bryan and Ken talk about Ken’s life on the road, his time as an educator, how he approaches his work including conferences, and even gives us a snippet of his work. Our hosts talk about trying to explain what it is they actually do, and explore the genuine approach that Ken takes to relationship building in the indusrty.
Ken Waldman is a musician, author, poet, and founder of Nomadic Productions (https://kenwaldman.com/).
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Ep. 14 Larry Kosson: Give Each Other the Time
Our hosts reflect on their first mentors and the impact they had. Josh found some time at International Entertainment Buyers Association (IEBA -https://www.ieba.org/) Conference to sit down with Larry Kosson. Larry shares his origin story, and talks about his true passion, mentorship. Larry was awarded the 2019 Mentorship Award from the Western Arts Alliance (WAA - https://www.westarts.org/) .
Larry Kosson is the Founder and President of Kosson Talent (https://kossontalent.com/)
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Ep. 13 Krista Bradley: Discomfort Breeds Growth
We kick off this week with stories from past APAP (Association of Performing Arts Professionals) Conference before Katie dives into a conversation with Krista Bradley. Krista shares the journey that landed her at APAP, why cultural humility is important, and why you should listen to your impulses.
Krista Bradley is the Director, Programs and Resources at APAP (https://apap365.org/).
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Ep. 12 Pat Hazell: Capturing Creativity: Seinfeld to Wonderbread
Our hosts talk about tech riders, before an engaging conversation with this week's incredible guest, Pat Hazell. Pat shares his insights on storytelling, “renting seats,” contracts, and shares his journey and only begins touching on his career.
Pat Hazell is a writer, producer, director, podcaster, comedian, and more. He is the founder and Chief Creative Officer of Sweetwood Creative (http://sweetwoodiscreative.com/) and the host of the Creativity in Captivity Podcast (https://www.creativityincaptivity.fun/)
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Ep. 11 It’s a Holiday Party!
Our hosts take a week off from interviewing to have a little holiday fun. Katie’s son, Leo, makes an appearance to spread some holiday cheer, we all play some games, and we share what we plan to work on in the new year. Want to give us a present this year? Thank you to all of you who gave us a listen in 2022 and helped get this podcast off the ground.
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Ep. 10 Jennifer Morris & Laurel Canan: Becoming Tour Ready
Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan didn’t start out in the arts, like most they discovered their path along the way. Bryan and Josh sit down with them to talk about artist management, being tour ready, and what led them to the industry they love. Our host chime in with their translatable skills from their jobs before the arts, and on the importance of good marketing materials.
Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan are with Seigel Artist Management (https://www.siegelartist.com/) and are both active in the field through various roles with NAPAMA, MAX, Arts Midwest, and more.
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Ep. 9 Xavier Verna: Discovering Shared Values
This week our hosts talk about their love of historic venues and Katie sits down with Xavier Verna. Xavier and Katie talk about managing historic theatres, working in small communities, how to make purposeful partnerships, and the important role that EDI plays in managing an arts organization.
Xavier Verna is the Executive Director of the Ramsdell Regional Center for the Arts (https://ramsdelltheatre.org/) in Manistee, Michigan.
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Ep. 8 David Wannen: Just Show Up
Our hosts talk about getting over nerves, imposter syndrome, and the importance of being tightly routed. Our guest, David Wannen, shares how he got over his nerves, how his organization builds a route, and some practical approaches to conferences, including the importance of “the hang”.
David Wannen is the Executive Director and a performer with the New York Gilbert & Sullivan Players (https://nygasp.org/). David is also a past president of NAPAMA and an avid arts advocate.
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Ep. 7 Sarah McCarthy: Trust Your Intuition
On this episode, Katie sits down with Sarah McCarthy to talk about theatre for young audiences, new projects, and juggling life with a full workload. Our hosts reminisce about their questionable music choices as young children and acknowledge that you can love your job and still need time for yourself.
Sarah McCarthy is the Agency Owner and Creative Producer at Dandelion Artists (https://www.dandelionartists.com/) representing the best in family music with artists like The Okee Dokee Brothers, Jazzy Ash, Justin Roberts, and more.
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Ep. 6 Tim Shapiro: You Learn More from Your Mistakes
The hosts talk about moments of heightened security, and give a lot of love to our industry’s backstage crew. Bryan has a conversation with his colleague, Tim Shapiro, about life on the road, how to get started in technical theatre, and shares some stories about working on the 9/11 10-year Anniversary Ceremony (Here is the video he references: https://youtu.be/yZGzdT4EKYY)
Tim Shapiro is the Production Coordinator for KU Presents (https://www.kupresents.com/)at Kutztown University. Tim has had an incredible career touring the world working with artists like Beyonce, Robert Plant, Melissa Ethridge, Evanesance, and more, as well as numerous TV credits.
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Ep. 5 Max Darwin: Magic and Mental Health
We talk about our origin stories on this episode, and Katie has a heartfelt conversation with our friend, Max Darwin, about creating a magic show, hard work, empathy, and mental health.
Max Darwin is an actor, public speaker, and magician who might be best known by his stage persona, The Amazing Max (http://theamazingmaxlive.com/).
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Ep. 4 Tommy Hensel: Be Kind to Yourself
Everyone is busy! We learn a little more about what our hosts do outside of their day jobs. Check out #marionmurals on Instagram and visit https://www.pocahontasproject.org/. Kevin chats with Tommy Hensel about a new booking conference, Midwest Arts Xpo (MAX), challenges facing the industry, selfcare and more.
Tommy Hensel is the Senior Director of Performing Arts at Elgin Community College (https://eccartscenter.org/) and Board President of Heartland Performing Arts the group behind the upcoming MAX (https://midwestartsxpo.org/).
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Ep. 3 Lisa B. Lewis: Bridging the Gap in Accessibility
Our hosts learn all about the circus on today’s episode when Bryan talks with Lisa B. Lewis. Lisa is a longtime circus performer and advocate for accessibility in the arts. While the episode focuses on accessibility in the circus arts, Lisa gives examples and tactics that can be used in all forms of performing and touring arts.
Lisa B. Lewis is the Founder and Executive Director of Omnium Circus (https://omniumcircus.org/), and Agent at Harmony Artists (https://www.harmonyartists.com/).
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On this episode our hosts talk superpowers and Josh and Kevin sit down with Mister MOJO and talk about lessons learned and mentoring. Learn how two interactions with famous people shaped his view on working in the industry.
Mister MOJO is the founder and front man for MOJO and the Bayou Gypsies (https://redhotmojo.com/) with a lifetime of experience engaging audiences and getting them on their feet.
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There's No Business Like... Ep. 1 Gail Boyd: Follow Your Bliss
It’s finally here, our first episode! On this episode we learn which of our hosts are rule-followers and who are willing to bend the rules, and Bryan interviews Gail Boyd. Gail Boyd is President of Gail Boyd Artist Management (https://gailboyd.com/), Co-founder of arts consulting company Vanguard Arts (https://vanguard-arts.com/), and more. Learn how one concert changed her life and how she went from lawyer to artist manager.
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This episode dedicated to CC and MM, who thought we should all be friends.
A chance to get to know our "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) with some self introductions a short exploration of our goals with "There's No Business Like...".
THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.