twiceoverpodcast: Recent Episodes
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In response to the recent presidential election and the significant changes it signals, we’ve decided to re-release our very first episode, “It’s Okay to Look Like a Potato on Zoom.” This inaugural episode, originally recorded during the early days of the pandemic, explores themes of adapting to change, fostering connection, and embracing imperfection—ideas that feel just as relevant today as they did then. When we first released this episode, we were navigating the abrupt transition to online teaching, striving to balance academic rigor with care and compassion for our students and ourselves. Now, as we face another moment of transition, this conversation offers an opportunity to revisit those lessons and reflect on how we can carry them forward. This episode is more than a reflection on teaching; it’s a reminder of the strength we find in community. It highlights the importance of staying connected to our values and identities, even when circumstances challenge us to rethink familiar practices. It speaks to the ways we can provide structure and stability—not just for our students, but for ourselves—in times of uncertainty. Releasing this episode again feels like coming full circle. The core ideas—offering reassurance, finding moments of levity, and leaning into our humanity—resonate not only in classrooms but in life. Whether you're a long-time listener revisiting these ideas or someone discovering this episode for the first time, we hope it provides encouragement, perspective, and maybe even a sense of comfort.We’re honored to share this moment with you again. Thank you for being part of our community. Let's continue to learn and grow together.
In this episode, Humility and Confidence, Anne and Steve are joined by the distinguished theater director and writer, Karin Coonrod. A professor at the Yale School of Drama, Karin is renowned for her innovative adaptations of classic plays, particularly those of William Shakespeare. She has founded two theater companies: Arden Party (1987–1997) and Compagnia de' Colombari (2004–present), through which she has brought to life numerous productions in notable venues such as the Joseph Papp Public Theater and the New York Theatre Workshop. Karin shares insights from her extensive career, discussing her unique approach to theater that often involves modern interpretations of classic works and staging plays in unconventional settings. She delves into her creative process, the challenges and rewards of directing, and her experiences teaching the next generation of theater artists.Whether you're a theater enthusiast or new to the world of drama, this episode offers a captivating glimpse into the artistry and vision of one of contemporary theater's most innovative leaders.
How do we bring curiosity, creativity, and empathy into our teaching and learning practices? In this episode of the Twice Over Podcast, we are joined by Kim Arin—artist, personal coach, and instructor at Montclair State University—to explore these transformative ideas.The Joy of Lifelong LearningKim shares her journey from a self-proclaimed “theater kid” to an unexpected half-marathon runner, illustrating how curiosity can lead to profound personal growth. Her reflections challenge us to embrace the mindset of a learner, both in and out of the classroom. Kim reminds educators that the most powerful teaching moments come not from having all the answers but from asking the right questions.Creativity as a ProcessThis episode explores Kim’s course on creativity, where she uses a spiraled curriculum to inspire students to build on their ideas in meaningful ways. From archetypes to dreamscapes to ekphrastic art, Kim’s assignments are designed to spark curiosity and encourage experimentation. Her message is clear: creativity is not about perfection; it’s about showing up and creating.The Power of Empathy in the ClassroomA highlight of the discussion is the focus on creating classroom environments rooted in empathy. Kim and the hosts discuss how fostering trust and encouraging risk-taking can unlock new levels of student engagement. Drawing on Brene Brown’s distinction between compassion and empathy, Kim explains how educators can “stand with” their students, helping them navigate challenges with support and understanding. As Kim noted, “It’s not magic. Creativity is a choice you can make every day.”
In this episode of Twice Over, The Stories We Tell Ourselves, Anne and Steven have a thought-provoking conversation with Monique Vogelsang, founder of Humanizing History. They explore how the narratives we create shape identities and communities, as Monique shares her journey from a multiracial upbringing to her impactful work in anti-racist education and curriculum design. The conversation examines teaching complex histories, fostering critical thinking, and building connections through humanizing stories. Filled with powerful anecdotes and actionable insights, this episode invites listeners to rethink how the stories we tell can transform education.
In the latest episode of the Consent Regimes, Anne and Steve are joined by Dr. Florence Chee, an Associate Professor at Loyola University Chicago, where she leads the Center for Digital Ethics and the Social and Interactive Media Lab (SimLab). Dr. Chee shares her background as an ethnographer researching digital game culture and explores the powerful ways people connect through technology. She challenges the stereotype of gaming as anti-social by highlighting how it serves as a crucial social outlet for many, fostering communities and potentially supporting mental health.Dr. Chee also discusses AI's ethical challenges, stressing the need for a sustained approach to digital literacy that goes beyond one-off interventions. She advocates for critical tech education from K-12 onward to empower individuals in an age of pervasive digital surveillance. As a strong proponent for ethical practices in tech, she emphasizes the potential of education, policy, and thoughtful innovation to ensure AI and technology serve humanity rather than harm it.This episode highlights "pasteurizing play," Dr. Chee's vision of creating safe, consent-driven, and ethical digital spaces, especially for young people navigating online environments. Her emphasis on consent is especially timely, calling for a broader, ongoing conversation about data control and how we engage with technology. By advocating for ethical frameworks that prioritize consent, she encourages listeners to rethink how we interact with digital tools—and how these tools shape our lives in ways we might not immediately realize. Whether you're an educator, policymaker, or simply tech-curious, this conversation will inspire a more intentional, reflective approach to technology.
In this episode, Your Authentic Self, Anne and Steve are joined by Rene Eborn, Associate Vice President of Digital Transformation and Enterprise Systems at Utah State University, who talks with them about learning, leadership and growth.
In this episode, Failures are Opportunities, Anne and I are joined by Sam Kann, CIO of Andrews University who talks with us about leadership, empathy and collaboration.
In this episode, There’s a Hub for That, Anne and Steve introduce the theme for Season 4 – leadership. They consider the question: what does the future of higher education leadership look like? And with more and more aspects of higher education becoming technologically mediated, who is best placed to lead colleges and universities as technology becomes more integral?
In this episode, Useful Curmudgeon, Anne and Steve discuss the continuing questions about the integration of artificial intelligence into teaching and learning. They reflect upon whether the use of AI can subvert the process of learning, with the result being that students focus on the "what" rather than the "how." You can find the episode on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
In this episode, Modest, Achievable and Sustainable, Anne and Steve are joined by Thomas Curran, Superior of the Jesuits at Regis College, the Coordinator of JPEN, the Jesuit Prison Education Network and the former president of Rockhurst University, who shares his experiences teaching in carceral settings.
In this episode, Scaling My Abilities, Anne and Steve joined by Matt Artz, Buisness Anthropologist and Professor at the Gabelli School of Business at Fordham University who shares his thoughts about artificial intelligent and its possible effects on teaching and learning,
In this episode, Start Slow to Learn Fast, Anne and Steve are joined by Elizabeth Stosich, Assistant Professor Graduate School of Education, who shares her thoughts about continuous improvement in teaching and learning.
In this episode, Trusting the Models, Anne and Steve are joined by, Brian K. Smith, Associate Dean for Research and The Honorable David S. Nelson Chair at Boston College’s School of Education and Human Development, who shares his thoughts about artificial intelligence and it implications for teaching and learning.
In this episode Anne and Steve discuss ChatGPT and its implications for teaching and learning. You may notice a difference in the intro and outro to this episode. The text, background music and narration were all generated by various AI programs.
In this episode, Owing the Why, Anne and Steve are joined by Tania Tetlow, the 33rd President of Fordham University who shares her thoughts about leadership, innovation and change.
In this episode, Impositions and Innovations, Anne and Steve discuss the kinds of changes that are considered to be innovative and the kind that perhaps, are not.
In this episode, Invitations to Innovation, Anne and Steve are joined by Sharif Mowlabocus who shares his thoughts about how to re-imagine structures as a way to foster creativity and change.
In this episode, Anne and Steve talk with Nicole Zeidan, Assistant Director, Emerging Educational Technology and Learning Space Design, who shares her thoughts about the intersections of innovation, technology, teaching and learning.
In first episode of Season 3, Anne and Steve discuss innovation. As we begin a new normal, what did we learn? What do we want to keep and what do we want to discard in our teaching practice? What do we mean when we talk about innovation?
In this episode, Burying the Book, Anne and Steve are joined by, Melkana Brakalova-Trevithick, Professor of Mathematics at Fordham University, who shares her thoughts about the language of math and how to address the challenges of math instruction.
In this episode, Tactile Learning, Anne and Steve are joined Louie Dean Valencia, Assistant Professor of Digital History and Coordinator of the Center for Public History at Texas State University, who shares his thoughts about encouraging students to learn through collaboration, curation and creation.
In this episode, Hard Facts, Anne and Steve are joined by Stephen Holler, Chair & Associate Professor of the Department of Physics & Engineering Physics at Fordham University who shares his experiences bringing physics education to bear on issues affecting the local community.
In this episode, A Productive Struggle, Anne and Steve are joined by Alesia Moldavan Assistant Professor of Mathematics Education, Associate Chair, Division of Curriculum & Teaching, Program Director, MST Adolescence Mathematics in the Graduate School of Education at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about the changing nature of mathematics instruction.
In this episode, The Fallow Fields, Anne and Steve are joined by Sarah Zimmerman, Professor of English at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about the lecture as effective instructional strategy.
In this episode, STEM Communities , Anne and Steve are joined by Robert Beer, Associate Professor of Chemistry and the Fordham College at Rose Hill Associate Dean for STEM and Pre-Health Education at Fordham University who shares his thoughts about the challenges and opportunities for teaching and learning in this next phase of the pandemic.
In this episode, Compassion Is Never Inappropriate, Anne and Steve are joined by Lisa Cataldo, Associate Professor of Pastoral Counseing at the Graduate School of Religion and Religious Education at Fordham University, who shares her thoughts about trauma informed teaching.
In this episode, Inviting Students In, Anne and Steve are joined by Catherine Nichols, an Advanced Lecturer in Cultural Anthropology and Museum Studies And the Director, May Weber Ethnographic Study Collection at Loyola University Chicago who shares her thoughts about teaching with and through objects. This episode in brought to you in partnership with Conversations on Jesuit Higher Education.
In this episode, A Terrain of Trust, Anne and Steve are joined by Brandy Monk-Payton, Assistant Professor of Communication and Media Studies at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about representation, collaboration and effective instruction.
In this episode, Mistakes Are Proof You Are Trying, Anne and Steve are joined by Andre Isaacs, Associate Professor of Chemistry at College of the Holy Cross, who shares his thoughts about how to build learning communities by meeting students where they are. This episode is brought to you in partnership with Conversations on Jesuit Higher Education.
In this episode, Oops and Ouch, Anne and Steve are joined by Christie-Belle Garcia, Assistant Dean for Student Support and Success at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about resources, structures and practices that help students thrive.
In this episode, Confidently Wrong, Anne and Steve discuss how notions of right can wrong can inhibit student learning.
In this episode, Vulnerabilities and Liabilities, Anne and Steve discuss a chapter from Teaching to Transgress by bell hooks.
In this episode, Ideologies of Teaching, Anne and Steve are joined by John Craven, Associate Professor of Science Education at Fordham University, who shares his thoughts about what we mean when we talk about teaching and how that meaning affects our instructional choices.
In this episode, The Classroom as a Tool, Anne and Steve are joined by Sam Haddad, Associate Professor of Philosophy at Fordham University, who shares his ideas about teaching and learning online and in person.
In this episode, A Humanistic Enterprise, Anne and Steve are joined by Jim McCartin, Associate Professor of Theology and Ignatian Faculty Fellow at Fordham University who shares his thoughts about what teaching is and could be as we look ahead to the challenges and changes of the next academic year.
In this episode, Figs and Kindness, Anne and Steve discuss two poems as a way into thinking about what we want to leave behind and what we want to keep as we focus on the year ahead.
In this episode, Change the Angle, Anne and Steve are joined by Calvin Byer, Assistant Director, Innovation & Change Integration at Fordham University who shares his thoughts about how patience and empathy are key to managing change.
In this episode, More Human, Anne and Steve talk with Carey Kasten, Associate Professor of Spanish at Fordham University who shares her experiences teaching and parenting during the past pandemic year.
In this episode, Ungrading, Anne and Steve discuss Ungrading: Why Rating Students Undermines Learning (and What to Do Instead) edited by Susan Blum.
In this episode, Seven Times Four Is Twenty-Eight, Anne and Steve are joined by Barbara Mundy, Professor of Art History at Fordham University, who shares her thoughts about the importance of faculty collaboration when developing online courses.
In this first episode of season 2, The Big Bad, Anne and Steve discuss what to leave behind and what to bring along as we enter what will soon be a post-covid teaching and learning environment.
In this episode, From a Performative to a Collaborative mode, Anne and Steve are joined by Rufus Burnett, Assistant Professor of Theology at Fordham University, who shares his thoughts about theology, teaching and the Blues.
In this episode, Working for Change Anne and Steve are joined by Diontay Santiago, from Fordham University's class of 2021. He is the current president of the Black Student Alliance, Asili and a Student Fellow in the Office of the Chief Diversity Officer at Fordham University. He shares his thoughts about his commitment to greater diversity, equity and inclusion.
In this episode, Cyber Hygiene, Anne and Steve are joined by Jason Benedict, Associate Vice President for IT and Chief Information Security Officer at Fordham University who shares his thoughts about data securing yourself and your data while teaching and learning online.
In this episode, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Anne and Steve are joined by Kendra Dunbar, Assistant Director for Equity and Inclusion at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about trauma and being supportive and engaged members of our University and classroom communities.
In this episode, Community Engagement, Anne and Steve are joined by Julie Gafney, Director of Administration and Academic Development at the Center for Community Engaged Learning at Fordham University, who shares her thoughts about the importance of mindfulness, deliberation and collaboration when engaging with the community.
In this episode, Oral History, Anne and Steve are joined by Mark Naison, Professor of African American Studies and History at Fordham University, who shares his thoughts about the importance of personal narratives, the rich and vibrant culture of The Bronx and the importance of connecting with students.
In this episode, The Physical Plant and the People Who Maintain It, Anne and Steve are joined by Marco Valera, Vice President at Fordham University, who shares his experiences about readying the campuses for Fall 2020.
In this episode, Questions Are Opportunities, Anne and Steve are joined by Paul Levinson, author, musician and Professor of Communication and Media Studies at Fordham University who shares both his experiences as an early pioneer of online education and his thoughts about how we are all content creators now.
In this episode, Speaking for the Trees, Anne and Steve are joined by Steven Stoll, Professor of History at Fordham University and the author of Ramp Hollow: The Ordeal of Appalachia who shares his thoughts about the environment and teaching authentically online.
In this episode, What We Talk About When We Talk About Asynchronous Instruction, Anne and Steve present an excerpt from a live Zoom session which was part of a four day workshop Preparing to Teach in a Flexible Hybrid Model.
In this episode, Leveling the Playing Field, Anne and Steve are joined by Renaldo Alba, Associate Director of the STEP and CSTEP Programs at Fordham University, who shares his thoughts about the importance of community in creating and sustaining more just, equitable and representative educational environments.
In this episode, Swimming in a Jar of Mayonnaise, we are joined by Clint Ramos Assistant Professor of Design/ Head of Design and Production at Fordham University and the Recipient of the 2020 USA Fellowship for Theatre who shares his thoughts about how thinking creatively can help us reconceptualize teaching and learning at a distance.
In this episode, Sometimes, Even Though It’s Difficult, It’s Good to Know, Anne and Steve are joined by Justin Pool, Lecturer in Biological Sciences and the Online Course Development Coordinator in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences at Fordham University, who shares his thoughts about teaching at a distance and how science can help offer a greater understanding of the science behind our current crisis.
In this episode, Protect Your Energy, Anne and Steve are joined by Christiana Zenner, Associate Professor of Theology, Science and Ethics in the Department of Theology and affiliated faculty in Environmental Studies at Fordham University. Since January, she has been Associate Chair for Undergraduate education in Theology at Fordham College Lincoln Center. Christiana shares her thoughts about the importance of rituals, the disparate impacts of the current crisis and the ways communication technologies can be leveraged to pursue social and environmental justice.
In this episode, When the World Stops, Learning Continues, Anne and Steve are joined by Matt Butler Director of Military and Veterans' Services, who shares his thoughts about supporting student veterans, strategies for adapting to our new reality and the importance of staying connected in a seemingly disconnected world.
In this episode, Your Students Will Never Go Deeper than You, Anne and Steve are joined by Sarah Gambito, Associate Professor of English and the Director of the Creative Writing program at Fordham University She shares her thoughts about teaching, strengthening ties and deepening connections through creativity and determination.
In this episode, Assessment and Accessibility, Anne and Steve are joined by Mary Byrnes the Director of the Office of Disability Services at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about the various issues instructors should consider when assessing students.
In this episode, Anne and Steve are joined by Lindsay Grippo, a senior at Fordham University majoring in English and minoring in communications and culture. She currently works in the Underwriting department of WFUV Public Radio and served on the staff of The Fordham Ram, Fordham's student-run journal of record, for Volumes 100 and 101, as the publication's Copy Chief and Editorial Director, respectively. As part of her last semester at Fordham, Lindsay is conducting thesis research with Anne Fernald on Louisa May Alcott’s Little Women as it relates to poststructural feminist ideas around women’s writing.
In this episode, Sitting at My High School Desk, Anne and Steve are joined by Kaylee Wong, a Senior in the Gabelli School of Business majoring in Public Accounting who serves as the Executive President of the United Student Government at Fordham University. Kaylee shares her experiences as a graduating senior and offers her insights about the current situation from the student perspective.
In this episode, Solving the Puzzle, Anne and Steve are joined by Natasha Burke, Assistant Professor of Psychology at Fordham University who shares her experiences as an instructor and researcher making the transition to online while trying to support to her students and stay connected to her work in these challenging times.
In this episode, Learning to Swim, we are joined by Eva Badowska, Dean, Faculty of Arts and Sciences and the Associate Vice President, Arts and Sciences at Fordham University who shares her thoughts about facing challenges, making choices and maintaining connections.
In this episode, Anne and Steve are joined by Jeffrey Ng, a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and the Director of Counseling and Psychological Services at Fordham University who shares his thoughts about how we can be supportive and kind to each other and ourselves during these turbulent and uncertain times.
In this episode, Anne and Steve are joined by Rafael Zapata, Chief Diversity Officer, Special Assistant to the President for Diversity and Associate Vice President for Academic Affairs at Fordham University. Rafael shares his thoughts about how to care for our students, our colleagues and ourselves and how it is important to be curious.
The second episode of "Twice Over " in which Anne and Steve discussion teaching live online.
My name is Steve D’Agustino and on behalf of my co-host Anne Fernald, I would like to welcome you to the twice over podcast. Because to teach is to learn twice over In this, our inaugural episode, It’s Okay to Look like a Potato on Zoom, Anne and I discuss our strange, new reality. We will talk about teaching online from home, trying to serve our students the best we can and how to stay connected to our love of teaching as we struggle to redefine our classes and rethink our practices.