Safety Labs by Slice: Recent Episodes
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Safety Labs by Slice is a podcast where we explore the human side of safety to support safety professionals. We move past regulations and reportables to talk about the core skills of safety leadership: empathy, influence, trust, rapport. In other words, the soft skills that help you do the hard stuff.
In this episode, we’re conducting a thorough investigation of a EHS practitioner’s job description to help you focus on the areas of workplace safety that matter most.
We've compiled a collection of thoughts, opinions and ideas about Safety professional’s key responsibilities from 20 of our previous guests.
All agree that practitioners are no longer “Safety Cops” but what should they be instead: facilitators, conduits, coaches? Are they best placed to write policies, implement procedures or conduct investigations? Do duties need to expand into workplace bullying, mental health and full psychosocial risk management? And is Safety even the HSE professional's responsibility??
This Safety role special presents multiple perspectives on these crucial questions from experienced HSE professionals, consultants, authors and academics. It doesn't conclude with a definitive job description, but will help you decide what to do more of - and what is no longer in your remit.
Featured guests (in order of appearance):
- James Junkin (Episode 37): What is a Safety Professional?
- Tanya Hewitt (Episode 7): What do we think the Safety manager's job is?
- Sam Goodman (Episode 27): Redefining the role of Safety
- Subena Colligan (Episode 34): Organizations don’t understand what Safety practitioners do
- Chris Smith (Episode 2): Safety is the ultimate change leadership position
- Chris Moulden (Episode 31): From Safety Cop to ultimate team player
- Mikel Bowman (Episode 51): The power of Safety professionals
- David Provan (Episode 58): Safety professionals can’t be everywhere!
- Bob Edwards (Episode 53): Safety practitioners can’t fix everything!
- Tony Muschara (Episode 70): Safety is not the Safety professional's responsibility
- Brye Sargent (Episode 11): Safety practitioners shouldn’t implement Safety policies
- Bridget Leathley (Episode 19): Safety professionals aren't solely responsible for procedures
- Dr Gary Namie (Episode 41): Safety should be responsible for workplace bullying
- Jason van Schie (Episode 33): Safety’s role in managing psychosocial risks
- Mark Alston (Episode 16): Facilitation is more important than Compliance
- Tim D’Ath (Episode 61): Safety professionals are conduits
- Cameron Stevens (Episode 62): Safety practitioners' role as a concierge
- Nicolai Massyn (Episode 63): Safety professionals are ideally placed to manage ESG
- Dr Todd Loushine (Episode 74): The heightened value of Safety practitioners
- Rosa Carrillo (Episode 57): Safety is an overlooked resource
- David Provan (Episode 58): The future role of a Safety professional…
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Carsten Busch - the "Indiana Jones of Safety", who has over 25 years of experience in HSEQ Management. and is a tutor in the Lund University human factors and system safety program.
Carston is also a Safety historian and has extensively researched and written about the work of Herbert William Heinrich - and shares his finding with us in this fascinating interview.
Heinrich is considered by many to be the founder of modern Safety practice, but has become a polarizing figure in today’s safety discourse.
Carsten believes Heinrich’s work and legacy should be reappraised, and he helps Safety professionals understand what he actually wrote - rather than basing their knowledge on hearsay.
One of Carsten’s main concerns is that New View Safety authors aren’t applying their own principles when they criticize Heinrich and could be positioning his work to reinforce their own approaches.
Context is key and you’ll discover what Heinrich actually said, who his primary audience was (not Safety professionals!), and the surprising role insurance companies played in enhancing Workplace Safety in the 1930s.
Carston’s book investigating Heinrich:
Preventing Industrial Accidents: Reappraising H. W. Heinrich
Recommended additional reading from Heinrich’s time:
Men and machines: Amazon.com: Chase, Stuart
Find out more about Carston’s work:
Home (mindtherisk.com)
Carston on LinkedIn:
Carsten Busch | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Joelle Mitchell, an organizational psychologist and human factors specialist, who translates academic research findings from psychology, OHS and human factors into actionable risk management insights.
Joelle tells the story of her journey to specializing in psychosocial health, and helps simplify psychological safety for EHS practitioners.
She explores key hot topics, such as who should be responsible for psychosocial safety, and explains how organizational structures can significantly impact Workplace Safety.
Joelle proposes a well-balanced and highly practical approach to psychosocial risk management that allows HSE and HR to work together in an evolving model.
This fascinating discussion covers many elements of modern Workplace Safety, including managing inevitable trade-offs, incentivization issues, the vitality of risk management controls, moral injuries and the importance of humble inquiry.
Find out more about Joelle’s current role and work as Global Head of Psychological Health and Safety at: Flourish DX
Where you can also find psychosocial health and safety webinars, podcasts, training and tools.
Papers/books recommended by Joelle:
On the Folly of Rewarding A, While Hopig for B - by Stephen Kerr
Risk Management in a Dynamic Society - by Jens Rasmussen
Organising for Safety: How structure creates culture - by Andrew Hopkins
Connect with Joelle Mitchell on LinkedIn: Joelle Mitchell | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Todd Loushine, a former OSHA compliance officer and EHS practitioner who now teaches the next generation of Safety professionals as an Associate Professor at the University of Wisconsin.
Todd uses his wide-ranging experience to improve worker success, satisfaction and safety - and in this highly-engaging discussion, he focuses his wisdom on the importance of learning and practicing civil discourse.
Many guests on our show believe Safety education doesn’t adequately prepare tomorrow’s HSE professionals, but
Todd provides a more positive perspective.
He explains how students can be given the right level of challenge, guidance and soft-skill training to help them become successful Safety practitioners.
Debates about Safety do not always remain civil - especially on social media - and Todd explores why this happens and how the professional can raise the standards of discussion, openness to ideas and collaboration.
Both entertaining and enlightening throughout, Todd compares Safety to a teenager(!) and shares his vision of the profession without a regulator.
You can find most of Todd’s lectures on YouTube:
T William Loushine - YouTube
Todd recommends Safeopedia:
Safeopedia - Empowering the workplace with free health and safety info
Dr Todd Loushine on LinkedIn:
Todd William Loushine, PhD, PE, CSP, CIH | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Peter Brace, a psychological safety consultant who helps organizations link respect and accountability through psychological safety to improve team performance.
He begins this engaging conversation by clarifying how much influence Safety professionals can have on psychological safety. Perhaps surprisingly for a consultant, Peter explains that you can’t create psychologically safe workplaces. Instead he describes the conditions required for this emergent quality.
Peter reveals the 5 key aspects of psychological safety (as defined by leading neuroscientist David Rock): Status, Certainty, Autonomy, Relatedness, and Fairness - and how these conditions can be assessed and cultivated.
He also clears up the common misconceptions about psychological safety, highlights the key benefits and explains how this quality can be easily measured.
Safety practitioners will learn how psychological safety is an important precursor for physical health and safety, while deepening awareness of the importance of diversity and inclusion.
Find out more about Peter’s work:
Human Capital Realisation
Peter recommends the work of Professor Amy Edmondson and Dr. Timothy Clark
Dr Peter Barce on LinkedIn:
Peter Brace PhD | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Murray Ritchie, an experienced OHS practitioner, researcher, educator, and speaker who’s worked with various industries, governments, and NGOs.
He joins us to discuss the content of his new book: ‘Seven Bad Habits of Safety Management - Examining Systemic Failure’ (published September 2023).
Murray gives EHS professionals an honest, open and comprehensive appraisal of current approaches to Safety Management, covering education, regulations, Plan Do Check Act, the right to refuse, Heinrich, BBS, Zero Harm, Safety Culture, and so much more.
This insightful interview is packed with real-life examples from his 40-year career and extension academic research, highlighting where the industry is failing to improve.
Murray’s on a mission to propel Safety out of its ‘comfort zone’. This conversation helps HSE professionals focus on what’s important: finding facts and fixing them before somebody gets hurt.
Find out more about Murray’s work:
Tri-Lens Safety (trilenssafety.com)
Murray’s book:
Seven Bad Habits of Safety Management: Examining Systemic Failure
Murray recommended the work of Sydney Dekker and Clive Lloyd
Contact Murray by email:
murray@trilenssafety.com
Murray Ritchie on LinkedIn:
Murray Ritchie MSc | LinkedIn
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In this episode, we’re conducting a thorough investigation of ‘safety culture’ to help HSE practitioners bring some clarity to this controversial term.
We've compiled a collection of thoughts, opinions and ideas about safety culture from 15 of our previous guests discussing various aspects of this nebulous subject.
The main dispute is whether safety culture actually exists, but even when we get past this, people rarely agree on its definition, measurement and implementation.
This safety culture special presents multiple perspectives on these crucial questions from experienced HSE professionals, consultants, authors and academics. We can’t promise definitive answers, but it will help you come to your own conclusions about safety culture - and what it means for your practice.
Featured guests:
Tim Marsh (Episode 1)
Chris Smith (Episode 2)
Dr Linda Martin (Episode 22)
Rey Gonzalez (Episode 23)
Dr I. David Daniels (Episode 30)
Chris Moulden (Episode 31)
David Heap (Episode 36)
James Junkin (Episode 37)
Stephen Harvey (Episode 38)
Dr Tristan Casey (Episode 40)
Gareth Lock (Episode 43)
Clive Lloyd (Episode 44)
Mary Ann Baynton (Episode 45)
Amy Roosa (Episode 48)
Dr Drew Rae (Episode 55)
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Tony Muschara, a Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) specialist and owner of Mushara Error Management Consulting.
He’s also the author of several Safety books, including ‘Risk-based Thinking’, and its follow-up ‘Critical Steps’ - which is the main focus of this fascinating interview.
Tony begins by exploring the role of an EHS professional and reveals his strongly-held views on where responsibility for workplace Safety lies within an organization.
He then describes the 4 elements of risk-based thinking (anticipate, monitor, respond and learn), before sharing his recent research into the importance of critical steps in Safety management.
Safety professionals will learn what they are, how they can be identified and what can be done to ensure they are completed successfully - first time and every time - to avoid significant harm.
This discussion is packed with wisdom from Tony’s distinguished career in Safety, including why aiming for excellence isn’t always good enough, when to think slow, how to fail safely, and his mantra: “If you don’t have doubts, you haven’t been paying attention”.
Your approach to Safety will definitely be enhanced by paying attention to this interview!
Find out more about Tony’s work: Muschara
Books recommended by Tony:
Managing the Risk of Organizational Accidents and Organizational Accidents Revisited by James Reason
Operational Risk Control by Derek Viner
Managing the Unexpected: Assuring High Performance in an Age of Complexity
By Karl E. Weick and Kathleen M. Sutcliffe
Organizing for Safety by Andrew Hopkins
Engineering a Safer World by Nancy Leveson
Tony Muschara on LinkedIn:
Tony Muschara | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Stephan Wiedner, an entrepreneur on a mission to abolish apathy in the workplace. He’s the cofounder of Noomii.com, the web’s largest network of independent life coaches and Skillsetter.com, a platform similar to a flight simulator for practicing interpersonal skills.
Safety management relies on trust, persuasion, and approachability, yet EHS professionals may not have been taught these skills during their training. In fact, there’s a common conception these qualities are inherent and can’t be taught.
Stephan presents an upbeat and convincing case for why Safety professionals can - and should - develop their interpersonal skills.
He explains that the key to improving nebulous concepts, such as empathy, is to break them down into specific learnable practical skills.
Stephan teaches HSE professionals how this is done - with a strong emphasis on the importance of psychological safety - while dispelling ongoing misconceptions about interpersonal skills.
Find out more about the foundational academic research undertaken by Tim Anderson investigating the impact of interpersonal skills:
A prospective study of therapist facilitative interpersonal skills as a predictor of treatment outcome
The books recommended by Stephan:
Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise: Amazon.com: Ericsson, Anders, Pool, Robert
Stephan Wiedner on LinkedIn:
Stephan Wiedner | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Christian
Hunt, author of 'Humanizing Rules' and founder of Human Risk, a consultancy and training firm that brings behavioral science to ethics & compliance.
Christian helps Safety practitioners understand and minimize their exposure to human risk, and he begins by explaining why he wrote his latest book.
Packed with entertaining anecdotes, this lively conversation explores the 3 key drivers of human behavior and introduces a simple framework (‘HUMANS’) that will help EHS professionals evaluate and design behavioral interventions (e.g. a new rule or communication program).
Throughout the interview, Christian emphasizes the importance of looking at things from the workers’ perspective - who are humans, not robots:
“Think not about what we would like people to do, but what they're likely to do.”
In this action-packed episode, we also learn 6 golden rules of compliance, including ‘Compliance is an outcome, not a process’, and ‘Just because you can doesn’t mean you should’.
This was Christinian’s second appearance on our podcast (his first was episode 4), and we hope he returns for a third time!
Find out more about Christian’s work:
Human Risk | Make your compliance programme more effective
Christian’s new book: ‘Humanizing Rules’:
Humanizing Rules: Bringing Behavioural Science to Ethics & Compliance
Christian’s Podcast:
The Human Risk Podcast
Books recommended by Christian:
“Thinking Fast and Slow” by Daniel Kahneman –
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374533555
“Influence is Your Superpower: The Science of Winning Hearts, Sparking Change, and Making Good Things Happen” by Zoe Chance – https://www.amazon.com/dp/198485433X
Christian Hunt on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/humanrisk/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Jodi Goodall, a High-Reliability Organization (HRO) expert who’s been in the safety profession for 20 years. Her operational experience spans mining, defense, explosives, heavy maintenance and logistics, and she’s currently head of organizational reliability at Brady Haywood, a consultancy in Brisbane.
Jody’s approach to Safety is based on systems thinking and the practices of HROs - and she begins this enlightening interview by explaining what strategies and organizations this acronym covers.
She walks EHS practitioners through the 5 characteristics of HROs, using practical examples of how they can enhance workplace safety:
- Preoccupation with failure
- Reluctance to simplify
- Sensitivity to the operations
- Commitment to resilience
- Deference to expertise
Jodi explains that HRO is dotted throughout all the current safety theories and calls for HSE professionals to focus on practices, not academia and recognize that we’re all heading in the same direction.
She believes there’s too much investment in traditional Safety approaches and encourages the profession to welcome failure, trust the workforce, and be less judgemental and more helpful.
Find out more about Jodi’s work:
Brady Heywood | Complex Systems Thinking
Jodi recommends the work of Andrew Hopkins:
Amazon.com: Andrew Hopkins: Books, Biography, Blogs, Audiobooks, Kindle
And this book about the US Nay culture:
Extreme Operational Excellence: Applying the US Nuclear Submarine Culture to Your Organization eBook : DiGeronimo, Matt, Koonce, Bob: Amazon.com: Books
Jodi Goodall on LinkedIn:
Jodi Goodall | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Pam Walaski, Senior Vice President of the American Society of Safety Professionals (ASSP), who uses her considerable experience to teach the next generation of HSE practitioners.
Pam shares her insightful views on the current state of safety education. She highlights the key gaps, limitations and challenges and explains which elements need to evolve.
Safety professionals will also learn about Pam’s personal journey from “safety cop” mentality to seeing workers as the solution rather than the problem. This mindset shift has significantly influenced her approach to safety education, and rapport, empathy, respect, and dignity are key themes in this compassionate interview.
Pam helps EHS professionals to stop thinking in terms of “right” and “wrong” and instead focus on learning, evolution and being open to change.
Pam recommends these online resources for Safety practitioners:
Safety Differently – Innovative and critical safety thinking
Human and Organizational Performance | HOP Hub
Authors recommended by Pam:
Todd Conklin, Sidney Dekker and Rosa Antonia Carrillo
Pam also suggests listening to these podcasts:
PreAccident Investigation
The Safety of Work
Pam Walaski on LinkedIn:
Pam Walaski, CSP, FASSP | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Tristan Casey, an organizational psychologist specializing in safety leadership and organizational culture, who understands how to generate research with practical impact.
Safety culture is a very broad and all-encompassing term - which causes much confusion. Tristan reveals the origins of this lack of clarity and shares three theoretical perspectives on what safety culture means. It can be a mirror, a map, and a measure, but Dr Casey outlines how these different approaches can form a coherent, sequential and practical framework to systematically improve workplace safety.
Tristan recognizes criticism that safety culture is no different from organizational culture but believes the distinction is useful because it makes workplace safety more tangible and allows organizations to move forward with a shared understanding of what safety and culture mean together.
He shares the practical dos and don’ts of safety culture, explains why clear definitions and feedback loops are so important, and considers the future of safety culture research.
Finally, he addresses a key challenge of how to make safety research more useful for practitioners, stressing the importance of closer partnerships between industry and academia.
Tristan’s deep dive into safety culture brings much-needed clarity and makes it a far more useful concept for safety professionals.
You can learn about Dr Casey’s safety culture research findings in chapter 19 (“Rolling up our sleeves and pulling up our socks: a critical review of safety culture definitions and measures, and innovative ways to move the field forward”) of the Handbook of Research Methods for Organisational Culture:
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Handbook_of_Research_Methods_for_Organis/
Dr Tristan Casey on LinkedIn:
Dr. Tristan Casey | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Moni Hogg, a Senior HSE professional, safety trainer and conference speaker who specializes in the Safety Differently. She focuses on cutting-edge safety approaches to enable creative, innovative and efficient culture transformation.
Mary has literally written a handbook on implementing New View Safety, and she shares the key ideas underpinning this approach while providing practical guidance to EHS professionals looking to build and improve their safety programs.
She tells her story of discovering and exploring New View Safety and outlines the essential paradigm shifts required to embrace these contemporary safety methodologies and philosophies.
Mary introduces us to new concepts, including “weak signals”, “learning teams” and “freedom frameworks”. However, she also highlights challenges, such as measuring success, accountability, leadership buy-in, and the timeframe required to see positive results.
Transitioning to New View Safety is not a quick or simple journey - but it’s exciting, and you will learn so much. This interview is a great starting point!
Moni’s book (The New View Safety Handbook: a step-by-step roadmap to introduce contemporary safety methods) is due to be published in 2023 - so connect with her on LinkedIn for further details:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/moni-hogg-4a55012b/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Stephen Harvey, an operations-focused HSE professional who takes a pragmatic approach to risk. Currently senior health and safety partner with Origin Energy, he shares his extensive experience of embedding contemporary safety practices and positively impacting organizational safety culture.
Steve believes safety management is too boring, and he’s on a mission to infuse more fun and connection into the industry.
He’s passionate about developing relationships with frontline workers and helps safety professionals become a conduit between the office and the field. Steve believes in the power of humor and stories and explains how his hobby - standup comedy - has made him a more effective HSE professional.
Language is very important to Steve, and he demonstrates how the words you use can change your organization's safety culture. At the same time, he feels safety data is over-relied upon and highlights the importance of collecting the stories (qualitative research) underlying the metrics to uncover actual safety performance.
Another key focus for Steve is unpacking the safety bureaucracy that slows people down, and he has great advice on making checklists more relevant.
Steve has an alter ego on Instagram - Safetybhoy, and he explains how embracing social media can make safety more interesting and start new conversions. It’s a fun interview, full of great stories and you won’t regret connecting with Stephen Harvey!
The book about checklists(!) that Steve recommended:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/B07MMNM9Z5
Sidney Dekker’s seminal safety book that Steve encourages HSE professionals to read:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Field-Guide-Understanding-Human-Error/dp/1472439058
Steve also recommends this non-safety book - The Ministry of Common Sense:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Common-Sense-Eliminate-Bureaucratic/dp/B08P3VW75D
The podcast recommended by Steve:
Rethinking Safety ⚠️ on Apple Podcasts
Safetybhoy on Instagram:
Stephen Harvey | Safety (@safetybhoy) • Instagram photos and videos
Stephen Harvey on LinkedIn:
Stephen Harvey | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with US Navy veteran James Junkin, CEO of international safety consultancy Mariner-Gulf Consulting and Services, who’s worked in the oil industry since 1995 and is an advisory board member for the American Society of Safety Professionals.
James isn’t afraid to ruffle a few feathers and shares his no-nonsense thoughts on all things safety in this entertaining interview:
“It seems like every other day, we’re getting a new theory on workplace safety. Let me tell you my theory on workplace safety. It’s about identifying hazards and implementing controls!”
From stating that he doesn’t want to see another safety theory to lambasting the lack of mental health training for EHS professionals, James doesn’t hold back on his views.
In this passionate discussion, he covers all of the hot topics in safety today. He does this from a genuine love for his profession and a positive desire to enhance workplace safety.
What can be done to enhance safety education, salaries and conferences? How can safety professionals become more effective, and where can organizations improve? James has the answers to all these questions.
He also explores the difficult subject of dealing with workplace injuries and fatalities, highlighting the lack of support safety professionals receive to mitigate PTSD and how this must be addressed.
This conversation with James is fast-paced and wide-ranging, but he is always focused on one goal: taking care of people.
James recommends Dr Linda Martin’s podcast, “The Safety Struggle”:
The Safety Struggle Podcast — Dr. Linda F. Martin
And “Psych Health and Safety” - Dr I. David Daniels’ podcast:
Psych Health and Safety Podcast USA
He also suggests reviewing the resources on the American Society of Safety Professionals (ASSP) website to deepen your knowledge:
ASSP - American Society of Safety Professionals | ASSP
James Junkin on LinkedIn:
James Junkin, CSP, MSP, SMS, ASP, CSHO | LinkedIn
James’ international boutique Risk Management and Occupational Safety and Health Consulting firm:
Home - Mariner-Gulf
In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with David Heap, a leading organizational and coaching psychologist with over 30 years of professional experience. He's a graduate member of the Australian Institute of Company Directors and has a BSc in Psychology and an MBA from the Australian Graduate School of Management.
David helps safety professionals understand why organizations are increasingly adding a Chief Psychological Health Officer (CPH) to the boardroom. He explains how approaches to workplace mental wellbeing have changed over recent years - especially since the global pandemic.
But how does this affect safety management? David explores where a CPH could sit within an organizational structure and which backgrounds are best suited for this role. He argues workplace psychological health and safety should be an inter-departmental concern and that the appointment of a CPH shouldn’t diminish collective responsibility.
David insists that workplace mental wellbeing initiatives (including appointing a CPH) should result from genuine concern for the workforce - and not be attention-grabbing activities defunded in 18 months.
He wants organizations to holistically assess the workplace environment to prevent poor psychological health and focus on boosting positive wellbeing in the workforce. Proactivity at a systematic level is crucial - and safety professionals can play a key role in this transition.
David’s coaching consultancy:
https://www.insightmc.com.au/
The National Workplace Initiative in Australia:
National Workplace Initiative | Have Your Say - National Mental Health Commission
David Heap on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidheap/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with former Marine Michael Flynn, Corporate Safety Director of Barnard Construction, who’s held safety roles in construction since 1995.
Hiring in the safety profession is a crucial process for any leader looking to build an effective safety team. At the same time, new safety professionals need to know what skills are required to attract potential employers. Mike can help safety professionals at either end of the spectrum. He’s been recruiting and developing safety teams for decades.
Mike explains why soft skills are particularly important for safety managers. He believes that teaching the technical elements of safety is relatively straightforward. Therefore, he encourages recruiters and candidates to focus on areas such as relationship-building and communication.
He gives top tips on where to look for candidates, how to spot potential and what questions to ask during the interview process.
In the second part of this engaging interview, Mike focuses on building effective safety teams. He recommends concentrating on team members’ strengths and explains why role fit is so important in safety management.
Ultimately, he reveals that the secret to success in workplace safety is caring about your people. And Mike has cared for a lot of co-workers over the last 30 years.
Mike recommends the author Malcolm Gladwell, author of five New York Times bestsellers - The Tipping Point, Blink, Outliers, What the Dog Saw, and David and Goliath.
Malcolm Gladwell – Home | Malcolm Gladwell (gladwellbooks.com)
Another book Mike suggests is Dr Spencer Johnson’s Who Moved My Cheese:
Who Moved My Cheese: An Amazing Way to Deal with Change in Your Work and in Your Life: Amazon.co.uk: Johnson, Dr Spencer: 8601404197116: Books
Finally, Mike also recommended Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek:
Leaders Eat Last: Why Some Teams Pull Together and Others Don't: Amazon.co.uk: Sinek, Simon: 9780670923175: Books
Michael Flynn on LinkedIn
Michael Flynn, RSP® | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Subena Colligan, former safety leader in the US Air Force and Kimberly Clark, who is now an EHS transformation coach and consultant. She holds a bachelor's and master's degree in Occupational Health and Safety, is the vice chair of the board for Global EHS Credentialing and founded her business, S. Coligan Coaching in 2021.
Subena has experienced burnout firsthand and now dedicates her worklife to helping safety professionals move from surviving to thriving. She shares her personal experience of burnout and provides practical tips on prevention and recovery - at both an individual and organizational level.
She believes that the safety profession is especially susceptible to burnout because HSE professionals are so selfless, often don’t consider themselves as employees and have limited opportunities to work from home.
Subena describes the six different causes of burnout and stresses the importance of organizations focusing on prevention. She highlights the benefits of agile strategies to help team members thrive and introduces the concept of an energy inventory to maximize positive workplace experiences.
Safety professionals are urged to prioritize their own wellbeing and not work too many hours - it’s the quality - not quantity - that matters!
The self-leadership book recommended by Subena:
The Four Agreements — don Miguel Ruiz
The book on strategy Subena recommends:
Good Strategy/Bad Strategy: The difference and why it matters: Amazon.co.uk: Rumelt, Richard: 9781781256176: Books
Subena’s coaching consultancy:
Management Consulting for EHS Transformation - subenacolligan
Subena Colligan on LinkedIn:
(4) Subena Colligan, CIH, CSP | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Jason van Schie, a psychological Health and Safety expert, qualified psychologist, podcaster and Managing Director of People Diagnostix - a health technology company.
Jason explains that psychosocial risk covers anything in the design or management of work causing employees stress e.g. ongoing unreasonable deadlines or witnessing a traumatic accident.
Safety professionals are given a brief history of workplace mental health awareness - which is now being taken much more seriously and thankfully focuses on prevention rather than cure. Jason explains the key reasons behind this shift in approach and shares the benefits of managing psychosocial risk.
A new standard, ISO 45003, implies that mental health should be managed like any other health and safety risk. Jason reviews this standard and explores what this means for the safety profession. He suggests that HSE professionals should take the lead in psychosocial risk assessment - so workplace mental health isn’t confined to HR.
Jason provides practical guidance on how to monitor and manage psychosocial hazards, with a strong focus on utilizing technology and keeping things simple.
You may be relieved to hear Jason doesn’t believe EHS professionals need to become psychologists(!) - but he does advocate the development of compassion.
Jason’s Psych Health and Safety Podcast:
Psych Health and Safety Podcast
The 45003 Academy - where you can access free resources to understand and adopt the global ISO 45003 standard:
ISO 45003:2021 Psychological health and safety at work FREE resources training pdf
Safe Work Australia’s Model Code of Practice recommended by Jason:
Model Code of Practice: Managing psychosocial hazards at work | Safe Work Australia
Jason’s health technology company, People Diagnostix:
FlourishDx - Psychological Health, Safety and Wellbeing Software
Jason van Schie on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonvanschie
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Ivan Pupulidy, an international speaker and consultant focused on Risk, Safety, Aviation, Wildland Firefighting and Human and Organizational Performance (HOP). He spent over two decades in the US Forest Service, culminating in a promotion to Director of the Office of Innovation and organizational learning.
Accident investigation techniques have remained static for many decades, yet complexity is increasing. and workplaces are not necessarily safer.
Therefore, Ivan introduced an alternative approach: The Learning Review.
Unlike other accident protocols, it’s designed to understand human actions in complex adaptive systems. Ivan explains how to conduct a learning review in the workplace and why it helps HSE professionals improve safety cultures.
He describes the transition from a frame of unhelpful judgment to positive understanding of the accident, where the system - not individuals - is the key focus of the review.
Ivan explains the importance of humble inquiry, “complex narrative”, focus groups, inclusivity and engagement, new safety review terminology and “learning products”.
It’s a fascinating journey of cultural change, innovation and organizational learning - that ultimately enhanced safety in the US Forest Service.
The university program where Ivan teaches:
School of Engineering – Advanced Safety Engineering and Management | UAB
Ivan and his wife’s consultancy business:
What is Dynamic Inquiry?
Dr Ivan Pupulidy on LinkedIn
linkedin.com/in/ivanpupulidy
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Chris Moulden, Vice President of HSE at Primoris Services, who’s a certified safety management specialist and Canadian-registered safety technician.
Chris prides himself on working with integrity, passion, and a value-driven cultural mindset and uses his leadership skills to help create proactive, sustainable safety-conscious workplace environments.
Many safety professionals discuss the importance of developing trust with employees and management, but Chris believes authenticity is the essential building block.
The term is currently a marketing buzzword, so Chris helps us understand exactly what authenticity in the workplace means. He explains how fear is generally the root cause of inauthentic behavior and why it’s so important to avoid disingenuous safety talk.
Chris explores how to develop authenticity and how you can demonstrate authentic safety leadership in the workplace. He regards HSE professionals as the ultimate team players with crucial roles to play within organizations. But Chris knows this isn’t easy - as he acknowledges; “with great power comes huge responsibility”.
Christopher L. Moulden on LinkedIn:
Christopher L. Moulden, SMS, CHST | LinkedIn
Authors recommended by Chris:
Todd Conklin (Human and Organizational Performance)
Amazon.co.uk: Todd Conklin: Books, Biography, Blogs, Audiobooks, Kindle
Eckhart Tolle (Self-development)
Home - Eckhart Tolle | Official Site - Spiritual Teachings and Tools For Personal Growth and Happiness
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr I. David Daniels, a safety consultant and certified safety director, who holds a Ph.D. in occupational health and safety.
David is passionate about keeping everyone safe - not just the designers of workplace systems. He doesn’t blame anyone for currents oversights that put some sections of society at greater risk of injury. Instead, Dr Daniels attributes these safety system gaps to a historical lack of diversity.
He urges HSE professionals to foster open and inclusive safety cultures. Everyone should input into workplace safety, and no interest groups should be afraid to raise their concerns.
Dr Daniels stresses the importance of always asking the entire workforce for feedback, and focusing on the system - not blaming people - when safety incidents occur.
He maintains that everyone has the right to feel safe at work and challenges why some organizations appear more concerned with equipment than workers.
David encourages EHS professionals to focus on safety goals, constantly check the system, and find the right balance between management and the workforce. Safety success is a journey, not a destination, that requires genuine caring rather than fake workplace safety.
Find out more about Dr Daniels’ workplace safety consultancy, ID2 Solutions:
Home - ID2 Solutions, LLC (idaviddaniels.com)
Listen to Psych Health and Safety - David’s podcast:
Psych Health and Safety Podcast USA (psychhealthandsafetyusa.com)
Email Dr Daniels:
david@id2-solutions.com
Follow Dr I. David Daniels on LinkedIn:
I. David Daniels, PhD, CSD, VPS | LinkedIn
Learn more about The National Association of Black Compliance and Risk Management Professionals:
NABCRMP - Black Compliance Professionals | Unite. Lead. Inspire
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Cristian Sylvestre, founder and managing director of training consultancy HabitSafe and author of Third Generation Safety: The Missing Piece.
Cristian is passionate about applying the latest neuroscience and behavioral research to help individuals and organizations be safer - and refers to this cutting-edge approach as Third-Generation Safety.
He argues that we’re overlooking the latest brain science, which tells us the subconscious mind drives 95% of our behavior. For Cristian, this is the critical piece missing from safety management because HSE professionals currently only use a conscious-mind approach.
Third-generation safety seeks to work with biology to ingrain safer habits in the workforce’s subconscious through repetition. Cristian explains this is the best way to overcome rushing, frustration, fatigue and autopilot - the four subconscious brain modes that cause 90% of workplace incidents.
Cristian delivers a whole-hearted appeal for a whole-brain approach to workplace safety management.
Find out more about Cristian’s safety training consultancy, HabitSafe:
https://www.habitsafe.com.au/
Cristian’s book, Third Generation Safety:The Missing Piece:
https://www.habitsafe.com.au/the-book
Cristian’s podcast, Safety Frontiers:
https://www.habitsafe.com.au/safety-frontiers-podcast
Cristian Sylvestre on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/cristiansylvestre/
The two books recommended by Cristian:
The Brain: The Story of You by David Eagleman:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brain-Story-You-David-Eagleman/dp/1782116583
Behave by Robert M. Sapolsky:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behave-Biology-Humans-Best-Worst/dp/009957506X
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Stephen Scott, a Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) consultant and speaker who spent three decades at Alcoa, the aluminum giant that famously decided to focus on safety over profits.
Stephen had a realization that pursuing zero incidents was actually harming workplace safety. He argues this approach encourages organizations to cover up mistakes and focus too much on metrics. Furthermore, it actively discouraged the workforce from raising safety events, and EHS professionals missed out on crucial feedback to create safer workplaces.
After a series of fatalities, Stephen knew that something had to change. He tells the story of how HOP and then Critical Risk Management (CRM) were slowly embedded into Alcoa.
Once the organization had embraced principles such as error is normal, people make mistakes and blame fixes nothing, the safety culture started to improve. They then shifted focus from trying to prevent all the high-frequency, low-consequence events to managing critical risks that could lead to serious injuries or fatalities.
It wasn’t a straightforward journey, but Stephen shares real-life stories and practical guidance to help safety professionals embrace new approaches to workplace safety.
Stephen Scott on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-scott-65059a9/
Todd Conklin’s podcasts recommended by Stephen::
PreAccident Investigation:
https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Sam Goodman, safety consultant, author, podcaster and Human Organizational Performance (HOP) expert.
Sam is convinced that upfront and honest conversations are needed to cultivate safety improvement. He believes the profession has stagnanted for too long and EHS professionals are often overworked and undervalued.
After nearly walking away from safety, he realized that different approaches could make a big difference. A key starting point is redefining the role of an HSE professional and moving away from a “Safety - fix it!” mentality in the workplace.
He uses HOP principles to reassess reporting structures and create the right balance, alignment and expectations between safety practitioners and senior leaders. He also explores how seasoned pros and newbies can come together to take safety forward.
Sam shares his forthright opinions on safety education, recruitment, professional associations, conferences.and social media activity. However, he’s always constructive and remains positive about the future of safety, as encapsulated by his professional motto: “if you work hard and do right by people, the sky's the limit.”
Find out more about Sam’s work:
The HOP Nerd | Sam Goodman | Human and Organizational Performance
Sam’s Podcast:
The HOP Nerd | Sam Goodman | Podcast
Sam’s books:
Amazon.com: Sam Goodman: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle
Sam Goodman on LinkedIn:
Sam Goodman | LinkedIn
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Josh Bryant, a General Manager of People, Risk and Sustainability who’s worked in the mining industry for over 20 years and implemented an award-winning critical risk management system.
Josh has always been open to different workplace safety frameworks and uses scientific reasoning to decide which elements to adopt or reject. He’s not tied to any particular theory, and gives HSE professionals a great overview of his journey of exploration, combining different approaches to safety management.
There are a lot of safety theories, frameworks and ideas, and it can be confusing for EHS professionals looking to implement the best solutions for their organization. Josh demystifies Safety-I, Safety-II, Safety Differently and Human and Organisational Performance (HOP). He explains how these approaches can be combined and tells us why he came to focus on critical risk management.
Josh maintains that flexibility and curiosity are crucial qualities for HSE professionals who should always practice humble inquiry regardless of your approach to workplace safety.
Josh Bryant on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshbryant1
Books recommended by Josh:
The Field Guide to Understanding 'Human Error' by Sidney Dekker:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Field-Guide-Understanding-Human-Error/dp/1472439058
Workplace Fatalities by Todd Conklin:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Workplace-Fatalities-Discussion-Fatality-Reduction/dp/1546979654
Bob's Guide to Operational Learning by Bob Edwards and Andrea Baker:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bobs-Guide-Operational-Learning-Organizational/dp/B08QRYT5QN
Podcasts recommended by Josh:
PreAccident Investigation:
https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/
The Safety of Work:
https://safetyofwork.com/
Rebranding Safety:
https://podcasts.bcast.fm/rebranding-safety
Safety on Tap
https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Jason Anker, an author, motivational speaker and consultant who was made a Member of the British Empire in 2015 for his contributions to the world of health and safety.
Jason was paralyzed from the waist down due to an avoidable accident on a construction site in 1993 when he was just 24 years old. He only started speaking about this devastating incident in 2009 and now openly shares his experiences to show EHS professionals how important wellbeing is to workplace safety.
Jason is convinced he would have made different decisions leading up to his accident if he was in better mental shape - that would have kept him safe. He discusses how organizations can focus more on common wellbeing issues and create environments that break the stigma of mental health - where it’s ok to speak up.
In this inspiring interview, Jason explains what individuals and organizations can do to improve wellbeing. He believes safety is a byproduct of a positive working environment and that people should always come before rules and regulations.
Jason’s book, Paralysis to Success: Bouncing Back from Adversity
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07PJVS7ZP
Jason Anker and Tim Marsh’s workplace health and safety consultancy business:
https://ankerandmarsh.co.uk/
Find more inspiring speakers and survivors of accidents on Proud 2B Safe:
https://www.p2bs.org/
Jason Anker on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonanker
In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Scott Gesinger, an experienced safety director and author of The Fearless World of Professional Safety in the 21st Century.
Scott guides safety professionals on a high-level tour of the past, present and future of workplace safety. He begins with the origins of modern safety practices, which emerged after a high-profile disaster in 1911 that was widely publicized across new media channels.
We discover the impact of pioneers such as Heinrich and Deming on safety management, but Scott also explains how fundamental biases and complacency have harmed the profession. It became far too easy to blame individuals and ignore wider systemic safety issues, and EHS professionals became too focused on near misses that could never cause serious harm.
Scott encourages current HSE professionals to remove subjectivity from accident causation, adopt a sandwich approach to safety management with equal emphasis on co-workers and management, and focus on designing processes for humans.
Looking forward, he believes technology, diversity and empathy are key to ensuring that safety remains a relevant scientific and engineering profession that doesn’t get overtaken by other disciplines.
Scott’s book - The Fearless World of Professional Safety in the 21st Century:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fearless-World-Professional-Safety-Century/dp/1138036560
Scott Gesinger on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-gesinger-a6666713/
Jaws - the film Scott recommends all safety professionals should watch:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaws_(film)
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Rey Gonzalez, a consultant and coach who provides expertise on sustainable performance improvement and human error reduction. He's worked in high-risk industries for over 40 years and has spent most his professional life working to improve safety through ehancing human performance.
Rey explains why empowering co-workers to stop work when they sense risk is such a powerful tool to create a positive safety culture. However, he shares the key reasons why this option is often under-utilized and helps safety professionals ensure this initiative is successfully adopted.
Additionally, he has identified the key role triggers play in predicting safety incidents and explains how you can educate your co-workers to spot these warning signs and reduce risk.
Rey strongly advocates empowering people to proactively contribute to safety management and outlines (with practical tips) the key role HSE professionals play in fostering a psychologically safe workplace.
To find out more about Rey’s work, consultancy (Human and Organizational Performance Enhancement), and online training programs (High Reliability Training) visit:
https://hopeconsultingllc.com/
and
https://www.trainhro.com/
Rey Gonzalez on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachreygonzalez/
The books recommended by Rey:
Managing the Unexpected: Resilient Performance in an Age of Uncertainty
by Karl E. Weick and, Kathleen M. Sutcliffe
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Managing-Unexpected-Resilient-Performance-Uncertainty/dp/0787996491
Still Not Safe: Patient Safety and the Middle-Managing of American Medicine
by Robert L. Wears and Kathleen M. Sutcliffe
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Still-Not-Safe-Middle-Managing-American/dp/B088C3QGHC
Risk-Based Thinking: Managing the Uncertainty of Human Error in Operations
by Tony Muschara
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Risk-Based-Thinking-Tony-Muschara/dp/113830249X
Critical Steps: Managing What Must Go Right in High-Risk Operations
by Tony Muschara, Ron Farris and Jim Marinus
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-Steps-Managing-High-Risk-Operations/dp/1032115076
In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Linda Martin. Linda has over 30 years of experience in occupational safety management across multiple industries and holds a Doctorate in Occupational Health and Safety. Additionally, she owns a successful consulting business, hosts a regular podcast, and is a sought-after speaker at safety industry events.
Dr Martin combines her extensive practical experience and academic knowledge to unpick the great safety theory debate. She’s not interested in which academic approach is right or wrong. Linda just wants safety professionals to focus on saving lives.
She believes that safety management has been overcomplicated by discussions about theory, with the subsequent rift between pseudo academics and boots-on-the-ground practitioners causing serious harm.
Linda urges HSE professionals from all sides of the debate to meet in the middle and take the practice of safety to a more effective level.
To find out more about Linda’s work and consultancy, visit:
https://www.lindamartin.io/
You can listen to all episodes of Linda’s “The Safety Struggle” podcast here:
The Safety Struggle Podcast — Dr. Linda F. Martin (lindamartin.io)
Dr Linda Martin on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindafmartinphd/
In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Deborah Barrett, an Ethics, Compliance & Operations Executive who holds a Master's Degree of Science in Business Ethics and Compliance.
Deborah uses her extensive experience working in corporate settings to help EHS professionals avoid getting lost in complex enterprises. It can be easy to become just another number in large organizations, especially if you are a new starter or remote working is widespread.
She shares extensive practical guidance on how to increase the visibility of safety across your organization. Securing executive support, strategic networking, committee participation, and effective presentations are just some of her recommendation she explores.
Deborah encourages HSE professionals to focus on promoting the benefits of safety and finding natural allies within your company to help achieve your objectives. Not only will this raise the profile of safety management - it will also enhance your career development.
Deborah Barrett on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-barrett-9552888/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr. Susanne Bahn, co-founder of Tap into Safety - a safety training consultancy. Susanne’s PhD specialized in Health and Safety Management, and she worked as a safety consultant for 15 years.
Dr. Bahn combines her practical experience and academic knowledge to explore a key activity for EHS professionals - safety training. Her mission is to make training more palpable for the end-user while helping organizations deliver more efficient, effective and compliant safety information.
Susanne wants HSE professionals to move away from “death by PowerPoint” and adopt flexible approaches to safety training based on the specific scenario, the audience’s needs, and available technology opportunities.
She provides practical advice on how to choose appropriate learning approaches for specific safety training situations and emphasizes the importance of micro-learning, consistency, simplicity and regularity.
Dr. Bahn discusses the multiple benefits (and common pitfalls) of online learning and explains why using the right language and tone of voice is crucial to ensure your messages are delivered effectively to lay the foundations for a strong safety culture.
You can find out more about Susanne’s work and her company, Tap into Safety by visting:
https://tapintosafety.com.au/about-us/
Dr. Susanne Bahn on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-susanne-bahn-13383318
The podcasts - Safety on Tap and Safeopedia - recommended by Susanne:
https://www.safetyontap.com/episodes/
https://feeds.captivate.fm/safetywithpurposepodcast/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Bridget Leathley, a freelance health and safety adviser, writer, instructional designer, trainer and auditor. She's also a Chartered Fellow with the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health and an Associate Fellow with the British Psychological Society.
Bridget highlights the importance of well-written and clearly communicated safety procedures - and how they represent “quick wins” for HSE professionals.
Major safety initiatives are often unrealistic for EHS professionals due to budget restraints. However, simply assessing and improving your safety procedures can significantly improve your organization’s safety performance.
Bridget offers many practical tips (with real-life examples) on how you can write better procedures, including: starting with the safety objectives, involving co-workers, using simple language, avoiding ambiguity, and including imagery.
She shares guidance on how often EHS professionals should revisit procedures and considers the role of multi-media in current and future safety management.
Bridget is passionate about getting organizations to adopt technology to keep people safe and healthy - but explains that the needs of the audience and the task should always drive how safety procedures are presented to co-workers.
You can find out more about Bridget’s work and her company, The Safer Choice by visting:
https://thesaferchoice.co.uk/
Bridget Leathley on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bridgetleathley
The book recommended by Bridget:
A Guide To Task Analysis by Barry Kirwan
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Mary Stine, an EHS director, consultant and storytelling expert.
Mary combines her safety experience with her passion for telling stories to help HSE professionals leverage the power of narrative.
She explains why storytelling is so compelling for humans and how this can be harnessed to help organizations improve safety performance.
Mary discusses many elements of storytelling, including neuroscience, structure, timing, knowing your audience, and the key skills you need to create compelling narratives.
She stresses the importance of transparency, self-awareness, proficiency and authenticity when communicating in your workplace - and explains why listening is also key to collaborating with co-workers to improve organizational safety.
You can learn more about Mary’s work with the American Society of Safety Professionals (ASSP) and WISE (Women in Safety Excellence) online at:
https://sj.assp.org/
Mary Stine on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rocketscience06/
Kurt Vonnegut's 8 tips on how to write a short story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVcIhnvSx8
The books recommended by Mary:
Leadership from the Inside Out: Becoming a Leader for Life by Kevin Cashman:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leadership-Inside-Out-Becoming-Leader/dp/1576755991
The Speed of Trust by Stephen M.R. Covey:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Speed-Trust-Stephen-Covey-2006-08-01/dp/B01K3JXQVC
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr. Bettina Palazzo, a business ethics expert who is the founder of the consultancy: Palazzo Ethics Advisory.
Bettina applies her extensive academic and practical knowledge of ethics to workplace safety.
She helps EHS professionals unpick the psychological dynamics that lead to unethical behavior and explains why workplace safety decision-making is not always black and white.
Her inclusive approach to safety management contains great advice on communicating with co-workers, including starting with the “why”, focusing on individual needs, using jargon-free narrative, and avoiding parent mode.
Bettina also highlights the importance of ensuring your leaders role model good safety practice and create speak-up safety cultures.
To find out more about Bettina’s consultancy, visit:
https://bettinapalazzo.com/
Bettina Palazzo on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bettina-palazzo
The Leadership Embodiment book recommended by Bettina:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leadership-Embodiment-Stand-Change-Think/dp/1492946699
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Mark Alston, a risk management and safety expert who is the founder of Investigations Differently consultancy.
Mark helps HSE professionals understand why safety investigations can be too narrowly focused and only result in blame rather than benefits.
Fortunately, he shares helpful advice on how you can implement better investigations in your workplace. Mark encourages EHS professionals to move away from a top-down approach and instead harness co-workers as part of the solution to deliver systemic risk reduction.
He argues that safety investigations are great opportunities to enable organizations to learn critical information from their people about how work is actually completed. Furthermore, Marks shows you how this can be used positively to improve overall safety performance.
To find out more about Mark’s consultancy, visit:
https://investigationsdifferently.com.au/
Mark Alston on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alstonmark/
The three books recommended by Mark:
Pre-accident investigations by Todd Conklin
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pre-Accident-Investigations-Todd-Conklin/dp/1409447820
The Field Guide to Understanding 'Human Error' by Sidney Dekker:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Field-Guide-Understanding-Human-Error/dp/1472439058
Paper Safe by Greg Smith:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paper-Safe-triumph-bureaucracy-management-ebook/dp/B07HVRZY8C
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Chris Clearfield, a coaching consultant, speaker, and co-author of “Meltdown: Why our systems fail and what we can do about it”.
Chris studies disasters, and his research into systems failure provides many valuable lessons for EHS professionals who rely on systems every day to maintain safety.
He explains how understanding system complexity and coupling (the amount of slack) can help HSE professionals keep their safety systems out of “the danger zone” and prevent accidents.
Also, he highlights how improving systems - so they provide more feedback - is key to making better safety decisions.
Using real-life disasters such as Deepwater Horizon, Chris provides lots of practical advice on implementing HSE change and creating more curious, experiential and inclusive safety cultures.
To find out more about Chris’ work, visit:
https://www.chrisclearfield.com/
Chris Clearfield on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisclearfield/
Chris’ book, “Meltdown: Why our systems fail and what we can do about it” - Financial Times' best business book of the year, 2018:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Meltdown-Systems-Fail-What-About/dp/1786492245
In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Eliza Lynch, an HSE manager in the construction industry and frequent guest on safety podcasts, who has strong opinions and uses strong language.
Eliza’s early career in EHS was very Traditional Safety oriented - sometimes referred to as Safety-1 or Command and Control Safety. However, more recently she’s directly experienced New View Safety, also known as Safety-2 or Safety Differently.
Regardless of terminology, it’s common for members of the HSE community to align themselves with one of these two orientations.
However, Eliza’s analysis and observations have coninced her it’s too simplistic to claim one safety approach is more effective than the other. She explains why HSE professionals needed fresh ideas while asserting that abandoning traditional approaches to safety would be counter-productive.
Eliza strongly believes New View Safety builds on Traditional Safety but definitely doesn’t replace it. Instead, EHS professionals just need to focus on the most appropriate ways to improve safety outcomes and set people up for success.
Elisa Lynch on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisalynch/
The online community for HSE professionals Eliza attributes for accelerating her safety learning and passion:
https://www.projectmollitiam.com/
Eliza also highly recommends Paper Safe by Greg Smith:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paper-Safe-triumph-bureaucracy-management-ebook/dp/B07HVRZY8C
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Andrea Baker, a human and organizational performance (HOP) expert and consultant, and former safety professional who has a Bachelor of Science in Chemical Engineering from the University of Notre Dame.
Andrea advocates a paradigm shift in our approach to HSE. She recognizes safety as an emergent property of the larger industrial system and explains that good performance is not the absence of inevitable human errors - but the presence of appropriate prevention and mitigation.
Combining psychology, sociology, and system design, Andrea explores why humans make mistakes and errors, and why safety systems are not predictable and will never be perfect. She emphasizes the importance of EHS professionals engaging with co-workers and provides practical advice on influencing their adoption of new safety procedures.
Andrea encourages HSE professionals to stop looking for faults in people or safety systems and become more interested in learning about how you want to be working in safety error reduction.
You can find out more about Andrea’s work by visiting:
https://www.thehopmentor.com/
To help with your HOP journey, a group of experts, including Andrea, have pooled their resources in the HOP hub:
https://www.hophub.org/
Andrea has co-written a book called Bob's Guide to Operational Learning: How to Think Like a Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) Coach:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bobs-Guide-Operational-Learning-Organizational/dp/B08QRYT5QN
Andrea Baker on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-baker-448832148/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Martha Grajdek, an industrial organizational (IO) psychologist, researcher, executive coach, speaker and author who’s been advising on stress management and leadership for over two decades.
Combining science with a holistic approach, Martha explains what IO psychology is and how it can help HSE professionals improve health and safety in the workplace.
She is an expert in work-related stress and shares her knowledge in identifying and managing this issue. Martha recognizes that stress is particularly significant for EHS professionals. It can seriously compromise their safety management initiatives, and HSE professionals have very stressful roles.
Therefore, Dr Grajdek provides helpful guidance throughout her interview on the steps you can take to manage stress across your organization and within yourself - with a key focus on self-care.
Martha has used her expertise and experience to create a course in stress management:
https://mgbs-global-llc.mykajabi.com/store
To find out more about Dr Grajdek’s work, visit her website:
https://drmarthagrajdek.com/
Martha Grajdek on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/martha-grajdek-phd-mba-9234137/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Brye Sargent, a professional workplace safety coach and trainer with over 20 years of safety management experience across multiple industries.
Brye believes that EHS professionals are undervalued in the workplace and should receive far more support implementing safety programs from frontline supervisors and managers.
Furthermore, because safety impacts all areas of an organization and has such wide-ranging benefits, she argues that HSE professionals should be seen as a member of the executive management team.
Brye shares great practical tips on making this a reality and achieving safety accountabilty, including how to encourage co-worker involvement, compromise with operations, and collaborate with leadership.
Her coaching business is called The Safety Geek, she hosts a podcast and YouTube channel and offers online safety management resources and courses to up-and-coming EHS professionals.
Brye Sargent on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brye-sargent/
The Safety Geek website:
https://thesafetygeek.com/
The Safety Geek podcast:
https://thesafetygeek.com/category/podcast
The Safety Geek Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/SafetyGeek
Download her five step infographic on accountability:
https://thesafetygeek.com/slice
The book that Brye refers to in her interview is:
The One Thing: The Surprisingly Simple Truth Behind Extraordinary Results by Gary Keller
In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with David Sarkus, safety speaker, consultant, coach and author, who has been recognized by ISHN as one of the top 50 leaders in his field.
David first started exploring the role of community in safety management during the 1990s, and this subject has been a primary focus of his career, research and writing ever since.
Based on the simple principle that developing a sense of community helps people care more about each other and what they do, he realized community could play a vital role in keeping everyone safe in the workplace.
David later identified five key drivers of community in the workplace. He walks EHS professionals through each of these - mission, diversity, openness, fairness, and consensus - and uses high-profile examples to demonstrate how they can either build or erode safety within your organization.
David Sarkus on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidsarkus
You can discover more about David’s work on his website:
https://davidsarkus.com/
Or access his online safety leadership courses:
https://www.virtualdavidsarkus.com/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Jim Loud, a safety management consultant, sought-after speaker, and respected author with over 40 years of experience in the EHS industry.
Jim has seen many changes during his illustrious career in HSE. However, despite progressive new approaches to workplace safety, it is clear that silos still persist.
This causes organizational inefficiencies, adds unnecessary costs and crucially undermines workplace safety. So, how can EHS professionals break down safety silos?
Jim believes you can play a key role, using your relationship and influencing skills to build bridges within the organization and involving non-HSE co-workers in safety management initiatives.
Never afraid to challenge safety traditional, Jim focuses on the Deepwater Horizon disaster to show that more safety people or procedures and quick fixes don’t guarantee safety success.
Instead, EHS professionals should prioritize more collaboration with people who aren't in safety to improve the overall safety effort. Jim implores you to build relationships with people and not machinery!
Jim’s safety management consultancy is called James Loud Consulting, and he’s based in Colorado, United States.
Jim Loud on LinkedIn (where you can find a selection of his articles on safety management):
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-loud-csp-ms-mph-26357917
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Dr Nektarios Karanikas, Associate Professor in Health, Safety & Environment at Queensland University of Technology.
Dr Karanikas truly understands the importance and complexity of safety management systems because this subject was the focus of his doctorate research.
Therefore, he is a leading authority for all safety professionals looking to maximize the effectiveness of their safety management systems.
Nektarios explains that safety management systems are far more than a directory of documents or processes and must consider the entire holistic safety environment. He shares the critical success factors and - just as importantly - the key reason why safety management systems fail.
A key theme throughout Dr Karanikas’ interview is the importance of human factors in safety management systems. You’ll discover they are not simply collections of technical processes that can be rebuilt by safety professionals using a manual. Instead, they are complex, evolving ecosystems with many variables, including culture and relationships - which cannot always be controlled.
Nektarios spent nearly two decades working in safety management in the Hellenic Air Force and holds a Master's of Science in human factors and safety assessment in aeronautics.
Dr Nektarios Karanikas on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nektarioskaranikas
Dr Nektarios Karanikas at Queensland University of Technology:
https://www.qut.edu.au/about/our-people/academic-profiles/nektarios.karanikas
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Tanya Hewitt, a safety regulations and health population expert who is passionate about safety science and human and organizational performance.
Tanya gives safety professional’s a bird’s-eye view of organizational models and assesses the role that HSE currently plays in these business structures.
She strongly believes that old models based on command and control are no longer appropriate and shares practical guidance on how safety professionals can influence senior leadership and drive positive change.
Using compelling case studies, Tanya shows HSE professionals how to expand your influence, redefine your role and move safety up the boardroom agenda.
Tanya is currently the owner of ‘Beyond Safety Compliance’, an Ottawa based consultancy that helps organizations go beyond the minimum safety regulations and increase their overall health:
https://www.beyondsafetycompliance.ca/index.html#home
Tanya Hewitt on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanya-hewitt-55804529/
Tanya’s monthly ‘Beyond Safety Compliance’ webinar series:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/beyond-safety-compliance-monthly-series-registration-154099155723
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Jerry Smith, an HSE expert with over 20 years of experience in workplace safety across a wide range of industries.
Jerry outlines why strong people skills are essential for modern HSE professionals, and shares his wisdom on inevitable challenges, such as overcoming leadership apathy towards safety and having difficult safety conversations with employees.
His starting point is always people, and Jerry’s human-centered approach to safety management focuses on qualities such as honesty, compassion, trust, empathy and continuous self-improvement. He genuinely cares - and eats, sleeps and breathes safety.
Jerry is currently HSE, Compliance & Risk Manager at Vanderlande in Australia.
Jerry A. Smith on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-a-smith-77002852
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Kym Bancroft, an organizational psychologist turned leading health and safety executive.
Kym walks EHS professionals through each stage of safety transformation to help them ensure they start in the right place, get the required buy-in, implement initiatives effectively and monitor the most important metrics.
Never afraid to challenge traditional approaches to HSE, Kym explains how she incorporates human-centered methodologies and psychological principles to drive evidence-based innovation. She covers diagnostics, implementation, evaluation and iteration and highlights the importance of decluttering, safety metrics, critical control work insights, learning teams and restorative culture.
Kym is currently the Head of HSE (Asia Pacific) at Serco and has a Masters’ in Applied Psychology and a Masters in Safety Leadership.
Kym Bancroft on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kymbancroft/
Doing Safety Differently documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gREMV6j2A4
Safety Differently in practice with Kym Bancroft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIa7-k_y9AA
Safety on Tap podcast featuring Kym Bancroft:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5zJnEDxYQs5RreXLsdOCwi
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In this episode, Mary Conquest speaks with Christian Hunt, a behavioral scientist with focus on safety.
Christian takes a deep dive into understanding human risk and how this concept helps EHS professionals become even more effective.
He reveals how humans tend to be hidden risk magnets in the workplace and shares insights into the impact of action and inaction on safety. With a sharp focus on the synergy of ethics and compliance, Christian manages to draw the line between having too many or too few constraints on co-workers. While discussing daily safety procedures, he explains why a reformative and learning culture must underpin safety management, and how EHS professionals could harness basic marketing approaches to influence people and change behaviors.
Christian Hunt on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/humanrisk/
Christian Hunt on Twitter: https://twitter.com/christianjhunt
The Human Risk Podcast: https://www.humanriskpodcast.com
The Human Risk Website: https://www.human-risk.com
“Predictably Irrational” by Dan Ariely – https://danariely.com/books/predictably-irrational/
“Thinking Fast and Slow” by Daniel Kahneman –
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374533555
“Influence is Your Superpower: The Science of Winning Hearts, Sparking Change, and Making Good Things Happen” by Zoe Chance – https://www.amazon.com/dp/198485433X
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In this episode, Mary Conquest talks with Joel Neily. Joel’s background in safety management is unconventional and highlights strategies for building rapport with employees. Trust, integrity, and balanced communication are key to Joel being a respected and approachable EHS expert.
As one of the few safety experts who chose against studying at university, Joel expands on the advantages and disadvantages of his decision, how it sets him apart from his colleagues, and what he would do differently if he got the chance. Starting from trucks to transport safety, Joel has great organic insight into why talking to people is important and how to identify the people who need to be won over.
Joel Neily is the Safety and Risk Manager at Bruce Automotive Dealerships and has over 27 years of experience behind him in the field of transport and safety.
Joel Neily on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-neily-687248113/
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In this episode, Mary Conquest talks with Chris Smith. Chris discusses the role of safety in an organization, elements of safety culture, leadership, trust, and effective communication in safety, amongst other topics.
Chris Smith is the author of ‘Intrinsic Stability: How Organic Leadership Breeds Excellence’ and an experienced EHS Manager and Certified Safety Professional (CSP) with a pure passion for creating excellence. Throughout his career, he has successfully developed and led continuous improvement initiatives to achieve Environmental, Health and Safety (EHS) success and OSHA Voluntary Protection Program (VPP) Star status.
Chris Smith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-smith-aaa5a714/
"Intrinsic Stability: How Organic Leadership Breeds Excellence" by Chris Smith – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08ZJQJW3L/
In the interview, Chris mentioned resources that help improve management skills and relations in the work space, including “The Goal: A Process of Ongoing Improvement” by Eliyahu M. Goldratt – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002LHRM2O/
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In our first episode, Mary Conquest talks with professor Tim Marsh, a leading expert in behavioral safety and occupational psychology. Tim Marsh discusses mental health, elements of safety culture, making a business case for management, situational awareness, effective communication in safety, and other topics.
Tim Marsh was one of the team leaders of the original UK research into behavioral safety in the early 1990s, and is a Chartered Psychologist and a Chartered Fellow of IOSH. He ran the open courses on Behavioural Safety and Safety Culture for IOSH for many years. He has worked with hundreds of companies around the world, including the BBC, the National Theatre and the European Space Agency, as well as the usual list of blue-chip organizations from manufacturing, utilities, food and drink, oil and gas, and pharmaceutics. He was awarded a President's Commendation by the Institute of Risk and Safety Management in 2008 and was selected as their first ever 'Specialist Fellow' in 2010.
Tim Marsh on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-marsh-a24a01a/
"Talking Health, Safety and Wellbeing: Building an Empowering Culture in a Post-COVID World" by Tim Marsh -- https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GK16CND/
In the interview, Tim Marsh mentioned "Black Box Thinking" by Matthew Syed.
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