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Each week our tricked-out team of tech investors and former operators breakdown the biggest headlines and themes in both public and private markets, with a specific focus on how AI is changing the tech landscape. We will be joined by some of the most influential voices in tech, media, and crypto leaving listeners with fresh perspectives on increasingly complicated topics impacting their lives and investment portfolios. Okay, Computer. Podcast is hosted byDan Nathan, with regular contributors Deirdre Bosa, Rick Heitzmann, Katie Stanton, and Jeff Richards. RiskReversal's resident luddite, Guy Adami stops in occasionally for Okay, Boomer segments.
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On this episode, Dan Nathan and Deirdre Bosa of CNBC discuss Apple woes (2:30), the IPO market (9:00), Google’s AI lead joining the Airbnb board (12:30), Oracle (22:30), Zombie SPACs (25:00), and 'Elon Musk,' by Walter Isaacson (35:00).
Check out Deirdre’s Report on SPACs: Zombie SPACs - Why blank-check mergers won’t die
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Dan Nathan is joined by Trevor Marshall, CTO of Current to discuss the state of crypto enforcement (1:00), NFTs in the SEC's sights, Bitcoin buoyed by ETFs (16:30), Elon's plan for payments on Twitter/X (21:00). After the break, Dan is joined by Stuart Wall, CEO of Setpoint.io and David Haber, GP at a16z to discuss their lead in the real estate financing startup's Series A (34:00), how Setpoint is poised to tackle adjacent verticals, AI's real impact on Fintech, and why a16z is all in on NYC.
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Dan sits down with Chad Anderson of Space Capital to talk about how he got into the industry (1:00), the international space race (6:00), investing in space (10:00), the space economy (14:00), Elon Musk’s unmatched power in the stars (18:00), and how to participate in the space playbook (24:00).
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Deirdre Bosa of CNBC joins Dan Nathan to chat about Softbank’s Arm IPO (1:00), Instacart (9:30), Lyft (13:00), and Nvidia (14:30). Later, Dan sits down with Dylan Patel, Chief Analyst at SemiAnalysis, to discuss the supply chain (20:00), AI head fakes in Q2 earnings (25:00), the economic landscape and Nvidia (33:00).
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On this episode, Dan is joined by Dan Niles of the Satori Fund to discuss his call for a 10% decline in the stock market (2:00), high-valuation & mega-cap tech (8:30), China’s impact on commodities (13:00), interest rates (20:30), Apple/Microsoft (24:30), Nvidia (35:00), and Tesla (41:30).
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Dan Nathan and Deirdre Bosa of CNBC discuss the AI fever breaking (2:00), Amazon (8:00), high valuation stocks deflating (12:30), the magnificent seven (or hateful eight) (15:30), and Zoom getting people back to the office (19:00). Later, Rick Heitzmann of FirstMark Capital joins Dan for a mid-year check on the private tech markets (26:00), M&A (33:00), and a study showing Wegovy cuts the risk of heart attacks (43:00).
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Deirdre Bosa joins Dan Nathan to discuss her video Ambition to Me is the American Dream (2:00), tech earnings (5:30), Uber (11:00) and the state of San Francisco (16:00). Later, Gene Munster of Deepwater Asset Management gives a preview of Apple and Amazon earnings (23:00), plus Carter Braxton Worth of Worth Charting on the technical setup going into those reports (33:00).
Read: X will never be the “Everything App” but Uber might
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On this episode of “Okay, Computer.” Dan Nathan and Deirdre Bosa of CNBC discuss her interview with the Lyft CEO (2:00), AI for Uber/AirBnB, and Elon Musk renaming Twitter X (10:30). Later, Dan sits down with his “On The Tape” co-host Danny Moses and Michael Dempsey, managing partner at Compound, to discuss machine learning, AI, electric vehicles, and crypto (19:00).
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Dan and Deirdre Bosa, host of CNBC’s TechCheck, discuss Microsoft pricing its AI-powered Copilot (2:30), JPMorgan Adds Silicon Valley Bank Veteran John China in Startup, VC Growth Quest (8:00), Tesla earnings (15:00), Threads (19:00), and Netflix (25:15). Later, Dan sits down with Dan Teran of Gutter Capital and Rachael Nemeth of Opus and talk about transforming the labor market for “deskless” workers (30:00), the Opus platform (40:30), fear of automation (50:30)
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Dan Nathan is joined by Ro CEO Zach Reitano to discuss GLP-1 weight loss medications like Wegovy or Ozempic, and why the company started offering it to patients.
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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami discuss the AI revolution (2:00), earnings season (8:00), and what to expect in Q3 (11:00). Later, Dan is joined by Adam Nelson of FirstMark Capital to discuss his journey to VC (14:00), the FinTech revolution (20:00), industries poised for VC attention in the coming years (28:00) and what markets got right in 2021 (35:30)
Read: Negative CAC & The Next Generation of Fintech
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Dan Nathan sits down with Stuart Sopp and Trevor Marshall of Current to discuss the AI frenzy (2:00), what it means for their product roadmap (20:00), renewed optimism in the private markets (27:00), Robinhood (33:00), and crypto (37:00).
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Dan Nathan and Jeff Richards of GGV Capital to discuss the AI hype cycle (2:00), AI infrastructure (14:00), short-term trading swings vs. the long-term picture (20:00), diversification (25:45), manias amid economic uncertainty (30:00) . Dan sits down with Rick Heitzmann of FirstMark Capital to talk about AI (34:00), Synthesia (41:00), Ro (50:30), Ro Body for weight loss (54:00).
China’s ByteDance Has Gobbled Up $1 Billion of Nvidia GPUs for AI This Year
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Dan is joined by Deirdre Bosa, host of CNBC’s TechCheck, to discuss the magnificent seven (NVDA, AAPL, MSFT, GOOGL, AMZN, META, TSLA) (2:00), Oracle shares heating up (10:30), Apple’s $3,500 VR headset (11:30), Adobe (25:35), and the AI bubble in the startup world (29:00)
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Dan sits down with Katie Stanton, founder & general partner at Moxxie Ventures, to discuss the A.I. movement (1:00), how Moxxie approaches investing in the space (6:00), the uncertain economic environment (11:00), social media platforms (18:30). Later, they are joined by Elliott Green, co-founder & CEO of Dandelion (26:00), and Scott Stevenson co-founder & CEO of Spellbook (50:00), about how their companies are using A.I. as a copilot in the healthcare and legal industries.
Spellbook LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/27118427/admin/ Spellbook Twitter: https://twitter.com/spellbooklegal
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Dan talks with Ida Josefiina, co-founder and CEO of Sane, about utilizing the power of collective wisdom for social platforms (3:00), why she thinks the next phase of the internet will look much more decentralized (9:00), building incentives for users to adopt new types of social platforms (13:00), Sane’s embrace of “thought spaces” to differentiate from the competition (19:00), the importance of creating beauty in digital platforms and spatial interfaces (25:00), and why Ida thinks people aren’t ready for augmented reality (28:00). —- Check out Sane
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Dan talks with Business Insider columnist Linette Lopez about her new piece on why the stock market is probably “screwed” (2:30), new COVID-19 lockdowns in China creating fresh headwinds for the global economy (7:30), the time Linette became a target of Elon Musk (11:00), Tesla shareholders likely suffering from Elon Musk’s focus on Twitter (15:30), and how so many sophisticated investors were duped by Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX (22:00).
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Read Linette’s new column: The US economy may not be screwed after all — but the stock market sure is
Check out Linette’s epic Twitter thread showcasing her work on Tesla & Elon Musk over the years
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Dan speaks with legendary tech investor & analyst Dan Benton about tech valuations (1:00), interest rates (16:30), FOMO investing (21:00), earnings models (28:30), semis as an early indicator (33:00), and Elon Musk/Tesla/Twitter (38:00).
Check out Dan Benton’s 20 rules for tech investing from the 90s
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Dan and FirstMark Capital’s Rick Heitzmann discuss how the results of the midterm elections may impact the markets and regulation (1:00), intensifying layoffs in the tech industry (3:45), Binance’s shock move to buy FTX sparking new fears and volatility in crypto (11:00), why Rick is bullish on “pick-and-shovel” startups (17:15), Elon Musk’s chaotic handling of Twitter so far (20:45), Tesla shareholders feeling the pinch from Musk’s Twitter mess (23:15), and if it’s the beginning of the end-game for the market slump (32:45).
Later, Dan talks with Jake Wood, Groundswell’s founder and CEO & Team Rubicon’s co-founder and Executive Chairman, along with Joe Marchese, Build Partner at Human Ventures, about what drove Jake to enlist in the Marine Corps (41:00), how 2010’s devastating earthquake in Haiti led to the creation of Team Rubicon (45:30), the importance of giving veterans purpose after military service (48:30), starting Groundswell and the growth of Philanthropy-as-a-Service (57:30), the “founder’s journey” during the COVID-era (1:09:00), navigating privacy protections in philanthropy (1:11:30), and how inflation and recession fears are impacting philanthropy and charitable giving (1:16:00).
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Dan talks with Jeff Richards, GGV Capital Managing Partner, about Big Tech’s ugly third quarter (1:00), Jeff’s bullishness on cloud infrastructure (5:00), how startups and small businesses are adapting to rising interest rates (10:30), finding silver linings in the outlook for 2023 (14:10), if Mark Zuckerberg’s enormous bet on the metaverse will break Meta (20:00), how much longer the valuation reset for private companies will last (30:00), and why Jeff thinks Elon Musk will turn Twitter into a much better product 12 months from now (33:45).
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Dan Nathan interviews Gene Munster, co-founder and managing partner at Loup Ventures, to discuss Snap cratering on its earnings report (1:00), whether we will see a Tesla relief rally (8:35), Microsoft and Alphabet kicking off big tech earnings this week (13:00), why Meta has the most upside potential relative to big tech (20:00), what to expect from Apple’s report (23:15), and why Gene thinks Amazon is the wild card of the group (28:00).
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Dan Nathan is joined by his “On The Tape” co-host Guy Adami to discuss the current stock market environment (1:40), Netflix transitioning to an ad-supported network (8:30), and Tesla earnings (11:30). Later, Dan and Guy interview Molly Jong-Fast, host of the Fast Politics podcast, and talk about how she got into podcasting (18:30), the state of American politics (29:25), inflation (36:37), and Elon Musk (46:51).
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Dan talks with QED Investors partner Chuckie Reddy about the hit FinTech has taken in 2022 and whether valuations have reached a bottom (6:00), Chuckie’s impressions & lessons from JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon after working at the bank for 17 years (16:30), why he thinks Jamie Dimon’s prediction on future interest rate hikes is absolutely correct (20:36), how startups are adapting to the surge in interest rates and inflation (31:30), crypto struggling to recover from its systemic problems (37:05), the risk of a deleveraging event in credit markets (40:20), why more startups are embracing venture debt (45:30), and the biggest differences between working in venture capital versus investment banking (46:40). —
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Dan talks with Not Boring Founder Packy McCormick about managing paternity leave after the birth of his second child (1:49), the volatile emotions fueling public markets (5:31), finding proper valuations for startups (7:55), Ethereum’s price slump after “The Merge” (12:44), Bitcoin’s struggles to prove its value (14:15), Elon Musk’s stunning announcement that he will buy Twitter after all (18:41), why Packy thinks the most exciting companies right now are in the private markets (27:17), and if big tech companies like Meta and Amazon have a path to get out of their slump (29:42). Later, Dan chats with FirstMark Capital’s Rick Heitzmann about his takeaways from FirstMark’s recent founders summit (39:34), if the market overcorrected from the surge in interest rates & the U.S. dollar (41:15), the potential fallout from redemptions in the private markets (45:35), Apple’s strength in the U.S. versus overseas (48:50), when the IPO market may finally reopen (53:15), venture debt changing the landscape for startups (58:55), and how much longer capital may be sitting on the sidelines in private markets (1:05:50).
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Dan talks with Brian Kelly, Founder & CEO of BKCM, about the grim macro outlook for markets (3:09), how higher interest rates are impacting business decisions (7:08), why the Fed and other central banks may not be able to contain inflation (14:02), cryptocurrencies struggling to prove their use cases (22:27), if Bitcoin can still become an alternative investment against inflation (27:09), and how Brian is diversifying BCKM’s portfolio. Later, Dan sits down with Chris McMillan and Trent Martensen, Credit Suisse internet & web3 investment bankers, about creating lasting value within web3 despite the industry’s recent headwinds (39:38), their top takeaways from the crypto-focused Mainnet Conference (46:00), where they’re seeing promising use cases for crypto and web3 technology (49:13), the future of NFTs for creators (53:04), and the impact of web3 industry layoffs and why it could benefit legacy tech companies (59:56).
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Dan & Moxxie Ventures’ Katie Stanton talk about the softening market finally bringing startups valuations to a “normal” place (1:00), how a gloomy economic outlook is altering the war for talent (5:39), Katie’s tenure so far on the board of Yahoo and CEO Jim Lanzone’s plan for the tech company’s future (8:16), and the risks & benefits of working at a startup versus legacy company (11:24). Later, Dan & Katie have a conversation with Forward’s Founder & CEO Adrian Aoun and discuss Adrian’s remarks at the 2022 Code Conference and his key takeaways from the gathering (19:53), Forward’s push to deliver more healthcare innovation than its rivals (23:40), the challenge of bringing scale to primary care (33:33) why the cost of innovating in healthcare is the industry’s biggest problem (45:11), and Adrian’s experience working with Google co-founder Larry Page (48:12). —-
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Dan talks with Deirdre Bosa, co-anchor of CNBC’s “TechCheck,” about her path to becoming a tech reporter and co-anchoring at CNBC (2:19), what Apple’s Tim Cook, Amazon’s Andy Jassy, and Alphabet’s Sundar Pichai had in common at the Code Conference (4:10), Snap CEO Evan Spiegel’s transparency around the company’s recent challenges (8:55), TikTok’s intensifying pressure on big tech giants (10:34), if BeReal is the next cool social media app (20:10), why more tech CEOs are bringing up “focus” as they navigate an industry downturn (22:28), and if Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi can bring the ridesharing company to profitability (25:49).
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Episode Description: Dan talks with Joe Marchese, Executive Chairman & Build Partner at Human Ventures, about Snap’s struggles amid an advertising downturn (2:35), unlocking Twitter’s full potential and its brewing courtroom fight with Elon Musk (6:36), Netflix’s make-or-break push into ad-supported subscriptions (9:37), challenges with evaluating the performance of digital ads (18:45), the intensifying competition between Alphabet/Google and Amazon (29:09), if TikTok is the new center of culture creation (34:54), and whether Apple will become a dominant player in the streaming wars and digital advertising (43:40).
Background reading for stories discussed in this episode:
The Information: A Visionary Afloat: Snap CEO Evan Spiegel Helped Create the Social Web as We Know It. Now He’s Sinking Under It.
The Information: What Snap’s Major Restructuring Means for Creators
Variety: Netflix Ad Tier Launch Moved Up to November to Get Ahead of Disney+, Streamer Tells Ad Buyers
FT: Apple plans to double its digital advertising business workforce
Bloomberg: Why Apple Is Preparing to Let You Subscribe to Your iPhone
Gavin Baker’s Twitter exchange with Dan on Apple & its digital advertising business —-
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Dan talks with GGV Capital Managing Director Jeff Richards about the tech scene in San Francisco and the Bay Area (1:10), the rise of “quiet quitting” and workplace demands from younger people (4:50), why Jeff thinks it’s still a great time to be a founder (18:18), the current megatrends in tech (21:58), Jeff’s bullishness on SaaS companies (24:46), finding the right time and sweet spot for an IPO (29:01), Jeff’s approach to investing in public markets (41:02), why many small businesses are showing resilience (46:58), and how the 2022 midterm elections may impact the market’s outlook (50:18).
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Dan sits down with David Steinberg, Co-Founder, Chairman & CEO of Zeta Global. They discuss David’s prolific entrepreneurship in the telecom industry early in his career (5:20), his long friendship with, and mentoring from, former Apple CEO John Sculley (16:38), what drove David and John Sculley to co-found Zeta Global together (25:09), the slump in the digital ad industry and how Zeta Global is successfully navigating it (33:25), the impact of inflation & soaring energy prices on businesses (40:42), and why David is so bullish on connected TV advertising (44:00).
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Dan and FirstMark Capital’s Rick Heitzmann discuss when the frozen IPO market may finally come back to life (2:52), JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon’s new forecast for the economy (6:44) the outlook for Snowflake & the battered SaaS sector (9:48), the brutal fundraising market for startups (14:19), SoftBank’s disastrous recent performance and how it’s paying for its investing “sins” (18:13), former WeWork CEO Adam Neumann getting a stunning $350 million investment from Andreesen Horowitz for a new housing startup (22:17), why more high-profile founders are leaving their companies (25:18), and Elon Musk attending a Republican retreat in Wyoming (30:25).
As discussed by Dan & Rick: Jamie Dimon sounds off on... almost everything (Yahoo Finance)
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Dan talks with CoinShares Chief Strategy Officer Meltem Demirors about the expanding domino effects from the crypto crash (1:07), why VC capital is still flowing into crypto and web3 startups (10:14), how past financial frenzies & bubbles may help reveal what’s ahead for crypto (15:35), what crypto companies can do to start creating true value with their products (18;12), and Meltem helping spark a new surge in interest for CryptoDickbutts and what they say about the future of cultural capital and memes (28:08).
Read Meltem’s latest post: “Building Market Microstructure for NFTs”
Check out the writings discussed by Meltem & Dan in the episode: -Carlota Perez’s “Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital” -Fred Wilson’s “The Carlota Perez Framework” -Ben Thompson’s “The Death and Birth of Technological Revolutions”
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Dan and Rick Heitzmann talk with Lux Capital’s Co-Founder & Managing Partner Josh Wolfe about the venture capital industry’s transformation in New York City over the past two decades (2:19), whether major venture capital firms will start going public (11:01), where Lux Capital is seeing the best investing opportunities amid industry turmoil (14:33), the fallout from the intensifying ideological fight between the U.S. & China (23:24), why soaring inflation may trigger an “Occupy Fed” movement (), the “new, new normal” coming for workers as the economy slows down (29:58), where the stock market will go from here (38:22), and how Elon Musk has turned Tesla into a religion (45:36).
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Dan and FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director Rick Heitzmann discuss if market sentiment is suddenly turning better (2:04), Rick remaining a perma-bull on Pinterest after activist investor Elliott Management announced a major stake in the company (10:13), the white-knuckle earnings season outlook for beaten down tech stocks (15:15), what’s next in the Elon Musk-Twitter legal showdown after a judge orders an October trial (16:41), more pain to come for many crypto investors (19:35), and how Rick thinks Meta is the big tech stock most at-risk for competitive disruption (29:34) . Later, Dan is joined by his co-host Katie Stanton to interview Kevin Weil, President of Product & Business at Planet, about the company’s mission (39:36), Planet’s ethics board (46:39), private capital entering the space race (52:36), and tech stocks like Meta and Twitter getting crushed this year (55:45).
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Dan speaks with SRB Ventures Managing Partner Sahil Bloom about the major differences in East Coast finance culture versus Silicon Valley (2:36), venture capital firms going bargain hunting for tech stocks (6:40), how & where Sahil is deploying capital in the volatile market (15:10), accelerating layoffs at tech companies and startups (24:19), Andy Jassy’s succession challenges at Amazon (27:38), how the battle royal between Elon Musk & Twitter may end (30:39), if Elon Musk will still be the CEO of Tesla in two years (35:42), why Sahil loves Meta and Snap (39:42), and what’s behind Sahil’s rapidly growing influence on social and other content platforms (43:21).
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Dan speaks with tech journalist Kara Swisher about her exit from the New York Times for a new role with Vox Media (0:54), Mark Zuckerberg’s huge bet on the metaverse and the future of Meta/Facebook (5:17), Kara’s recent interview with VC heavyweight Chris Dixon on the outlook for Web3 (10:22), if FTX’s Sam Bankman-Fried is becoming a Warren Buffett-like lifeline for the crypto industry (13:36), crypto likely becoming more centralized (14:13), Elon Musk’s curious silence on Twitter (16:42), whether Amazon CEO Andy Jassy will overcome the challenges facing the company (22:43), Kara’s push to cover the existential problems from climate change (24:48), and the impact Peter Thiel and other Silicon Valley influencers are having on politics (27:00).
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Dan speaks with GGV Capital Managing Partner Jeff Richards about when investors may return to risk-on mode (2:59), why Jeff would keep buying Amazon stock despite the bear market (10:33), VC legend Bill Gurley’s take on the current investment cycle (16:11), how startups are adapting to valuation resets (20:25), and deglobalization’s rude awakening to the markets (28:42). Later, Dan talks to Katie Stanton & Alex Roetter of Moxxie Ventures about Katie joining Yahoo’s board of directors (42:15), whether Twitter can re-accelerate growth if Elon Musk actually buys it (45:12), how it’s a great time for early-stage investors amid a murky outlook for startups (52:11), and why they’re bullish on climate tech (58:27).
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Dan talks with FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director Rick Heitzmann on navigating the bear market (2:34), mounting layoffs in tech and other industries (8:56), the threat of margin calls for institutional & retail investors (12:26), softness for SaaS companies (14:20), and why having cash will control your destiny amid the turmoil (18:45). Later, Dan speaks to BKCM founder & CEO Brian Kelly about why he thinks crypto coins are still currencies (22:48), crypto not proving to be a hedge against inflation (24:32), the fallout from Celsius freezing withdrawals and its impact on DeFi (31:56), Brian’s belief that there’s a generational opportunity to buy crypto coming up (38:29), how the latest crypto crash will trigger more regulation (43:20), and if crypto poses a systemic risk to the financial system (44:40).
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Dan talks with tech investor & Loup Ventures’ co-founder Gene Munster about the June quarter being a reckoning for tech stocks (5:17), his optimistic outlook for the markets in 2023 (18:45), why he’s bullish on Apple CarPlay after Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference (25:05), who’s most likely to become Tim Cook’s successor (30;48), if Amazon CEO Andy Jassy is still right for the job after Amazon’s recent stumbles (37:07), how Elon Musk’s Twitter drama is distracting him from what he’s great at (42:52), why Tesla remains lightyears ahead of its electric car competition (49:55), and Loup’s startup portfolio performance amid economic turmoil (54:04). —-
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Dan talks with FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director Rick Heitzmann and GGV Capital Managing Partner Jeff Richards on what advice they’re giving portfolio companies to deal with intensifying economic uncertainty (3:54), why Jeff still has a positive business outlook (21:57), which under-the-radar tech stocks they think are good buys, and the most important attributes a founder should have right now (26:43), and if Elon Musk will ever go a bridge too far with customers & shareholders (33:57). Later, Dan talks with Human Ventures CEO Heather Hartnett about what’s making New York City a growing center for venture capital (41:01), the “Hollywoodization” of startup founders (54:42), the challenges of finding the right talent (56:37), and why she’s going big on philanthropy as a service (1:00:19).
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Dan talks with Rick Heitzmann, FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director, about Snap’s canary-in-the-coal mine warning for tech (2:00), the shaky outlook for the digital ad market (14:34), which company may be interested in buying Zoom (17:45), why the slump for stocks & valuations may lead to more mergers & acquisitions (23:12), and how quickly the consumer could fade in the coming months (28:08). Later, Dan talks with Ryan Denehy, Electric AI Founder & CEO + Dan Teran, Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Gutter Capital, about companies and investors that don’t think the “sky is falling” (35:49), layoffs and shifting hiring trends at startups (38:41), why now may actually be the best time to start a company (52:11), and how the market has been asleep at the wheel for the last two years (56:16).
Dan Teran’s Medium post on the market slump and growing uncertainty for businesses: Things You Won’t Regret
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Dan talks with Rick Heitzmann, FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director, about whether the markets have bottomed out (01:00), why the best performing companies are starting to lay people off (10:30), deploying capital to successful businesses amid the financial turmoil (18:30), and which sectors will have the most opportunity after the economic uncertainty subsides (22:30). Later, Dan & CoinShares Chief Strategy Officer Meltem Demirors talk to Current CTO Trevor Marshall about the future of algorithmic stablecoins following Terra’s collapse (27:18), reevaluating the risk-reward of crypto investing after the recent crash (34:30), greed’s role in the rise of crypto & web3 (52:30), and whether inflation will drive more consumers towards FinTech (56:40).
Dan Teran’s new Medium post on why the recent market slump “is not the dot com bubble bursting”: Things You Won’t Regret
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Dan, Meltem and Packy discuss volatility in the stock markets (2:57), bitcoin’s correlation to tech stocks (4:47) and the NFT sales flatlining (35:55).
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Dan talks with Rick Heitzmann, FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director, about the risk of the Fed overcorrecting at this week’s FOMC meeting (1:34), if the markets are close to bottoming out (6:27), the tailspin for “at home” stocks likely getting worse (11:28), CEOs being forced to correct their capital & strategic plans (14:58) and how the losers of crypto and web3 are already being revealed. Later, Dan speaks with Taboola founder & CEO Adam Singolda about starting his founder’s journey living with his parents while watching TV (29:51), building an advertising platform outside the “walled gardens” of Google and Facebook (34:12), how Netflix can successfully build an ad-based subscription (52:16), the future of Twitter’s content moderation under Elon Musk (58:15), and how “killing cookies” is disrupting the digital ads industry (1:04:54).
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Dan speaks with Rick Heitzmann, FirstMark Capital’s Founder & Managing Director, about growing chaos and anxiety in the markets (0:56), what could come next from the Fed after its expected 50 bps rate hike (8:48), where Elon Musk goes from here after buying Twitter (13:55), whether Big Tech will flop in a pivotal earnings week (20:02), growing distress in the private markets (26:19), and if a combined Netflix & Spotify would make a match in heaven.
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Dan interviews Alex Roetter, Moxxie Ventures General Partner & Twitter’s former Senior Vice President of Engineering, about the migration of capital and startups out of Silicon Valley (6:20), developing electric, flying taxis as the president of Kitty Hawk (9:59), how he hired current Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal (14:40), and why he thinks Elon Musk won’t make any meaningful impact on Twitter (21:27). Later, Dan speaks with The Chernin Group’s Jarrod Dicker and they discuss Jarrod’s undying love of Phish concerts (39:15), Twitter’s responsibility to moderate content (48:10), if decentralized social media platforms are feasible (53:17 ), why Jeff Bezos buying the Washington Post brought Jarrod to work at paper, and whether Ethereum will actually get “fixed.” (1:01:57)
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Dan and Rick discuss the fallout from inflation soaring to a four-decade high (2:03), Elon Musk rattling cages at Twitter (15:06), if the IPO market can recover from a cold start in 2022, if private companies still think it’s worth it to go public (21:05), and whether Philadelphia 76ers fans should “trust the process” as the NBA Playoffs begin. Later, Dan sits down with Dan Teran, co-founder of Gutter Capital, and they talk about his unusual path to entrepreneurship (35:32), selling his company Managed by Q to WeWork at the perfect time (41:31), more founders ditching Silicon Valley (47:45), why gig economy businesses don’t interest him (53:13), and growing unionization pushes at big companies like Amazon and Starbucks (57:08).
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Dan and Packy discuss Elon Musk joining Twitter’s board of directors and his 9.2% stake in the company (1:41). Meltem sounds off with Dan and Packy on a former SEC official calling the bulk of web3 a “scourge & scam” (16:29), Lightning Labs raising $70M to “bitcoinize” the U.S. dollar (20:53), a little covered, but big potential opportunity in web3 right now (24:47), and whether the Tether stablecoin is at risk of a run (28:19). Dan interviews Masterworks founder & CEO Scott Lynn on how inflation is impacting demand and prices for art (45:32), the boom in NFTs and their disruption to the art market (38:00), art becoming a viable asset class with investors (52:12), and whether sanctions against Russia could trigger fire sales of high-value artworks (57:39).
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Dan, Guy and Jeff discuss this year’s chaotic March Madness college basketball tournament (2:29), tech stocks’ recovery from early 2022 lows (3:58), whether the Fed has the intellectual know-how to tackle inflation (14:46), why Blackstone is Jeff’s largest public holding (19:50), and what’s driving growing availability of shares in private companies (27:38). Dan and Katie interview Reach Capital partner Jomayra Herra about her unexpected journey to the VC industry (38:04), working with badass women (40:46), why she’s diving head first into web3 (47:27), the discovery process for investing (1:01:11), and why web3 will create the next generation of iconic companies (1:04:45).
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Dan and Packy discuss crypto (2:20), venture capital in web3 (6:28), and investing in the private markets (11:13). The co-hosts interview Stuart Sopp, co-founder and CEO of Current, and Trevor Marshall, CTO of Current, and talk about how they founded the company (16:50), their mission in battling wealth inequality (27:43), inflation (43:47), and innovation (52:31).
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Dan Nathan and Rick Heitzmann are joined by “On the Tape” co-host and CNBC “Fast Money” contributor Guy Adami to discuss volatility in the public markets (4:58), a hard reset on tech valuations (8:24), Later, Dan sits down with Joe Marchese of Human Ventures for a conversation about the state of VC (26:25).
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Okay, Computer. co-hosts Dan Nathan and Meltem Demirors have a spirited conversation about bitcoin being politicized (9:30), President Biden’s crypto executive order (23:20), Meltem clowning Marc Andreessen’s ESG tweet (31:05) and WTF is going on with stonks (41:08).
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Packy McCormick and Dan Nathan talk about the situation on the ground in Ukraine and how it has impacted crypto and financial markets; how to rethink your portfolio following the resets in valuation; and later Rick Heitzmann and Dan Nathan sit down with the Governor of the Boston Celtics to discuss the current and future intersection of sports, tech, and media.
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Okay, Computer. co-hosts Dan Nathan and Meltem Demirors are joined by Brian Kelly, founder of BKCM, to discuss the market meltdown (5:30), the case for crypto as a hedge against calamity (14:27), why gold is rallying right now, and how to invest in innovation (29:55),
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Okay, Computer. co-hosts Dan Nathan, Rick Heitzmann and Meltem Demirors discuss the Twitter buyback (9:17), Tik Tok (17:36), and private market valuations (26:12). Later, Dan and Rick interview Amir Haleem, Founder and CEO of Helium Systems, and talk about decentralized telecom applications (34:40).
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On this week’s episode of Okay, Computer. Dan and Packy discuss why you can’t bet against Mark Zuckerberg (1:56), potential suitors for Spotify (7:28), and Packy’s latest post Ownership and the American Dream (13:56). Later, Dan and Katie are joined by Sway host Kara Swisher to break down the Joe Rogan, Spotify dilemma (25:40), climate tech (37:08), web3 and where are all the women in tech (47:46).
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Dan interviews Stuart Sopp, CEO of Current about his company's mission, the future of banking, and Stuart's background as a trader.
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On this episode, co-hosts Dan Nathan and Rick Heitzmann are joined by “On The Tape” co-host Guy Adami to discuss the tech sell-off (2:20), M&A madness (8:10), and how the market cycle is affecting venture capitalists (17:50). The co-hosts interview Mikel Jolett, frontman of the band the Airborne Toxic Event, and talk about the Joe Rogan and Spotify debacle. Later, contributors Sally Shin and Jarrod Dicker join Dan and Mikel to discuss how web3 is impacting the music industry.
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On this episode, co-hosts Dan Nathan, Meltem Demirors and Packy McCormick discuss the sell-off in cryptocurrencies. Dan and Packy interview Sheldon Day and Amir Carlisle, founders of The Players Company DAO, about their mission and the importance of financial literacy.
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On this episode of Okay, Computer. co-hosts Dan Nathan and Rick Heitzmann talk the tech sell-off with Dan’s “On The Tape” co-host Guy Adami (0:28). Later, Dan and Rick interview Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Seven Seven Six and Reddit and discuss how Reddit came about (27:20), his advice for founders and CEOs today (36:32), the NFT craze (41:46), Alexis’ big prediction for 2022 (53:19), and a Bored Ape Yacht Club bet (1:01:00).
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OTT VERSION Episode Title: Web3 Ain’t Got No Owners, Only Investors with Alexis Ohanian Episode Description: On this episode of Okay, Computer. co-hosts Dan Nathan and Rick Heitzmann talk the tech sell-off with Dan’s “On The Tape” co-host Guy Adami (0:58). Later, Dan and Rick interview Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Seven Seven Six and Reddit and discuss how Reddit came about (27:50), his advice for founders and CEOs today (37:02), the NFT craze (42:16), Alexis’ big prediction for 2022 (53:49), and a Bored Ape Yacht Club bet (1:01:30).
On this episode of Okay, Computer. Dan, Katie, and Packy are joined by Adam Bain, co-founder of 01 Advisors and former Twitter COO, and discuss Katie and Adam’s time working together at Twitter (2:32), his biggest 2022 prediction (12:08), web3 (16:14), whether Adam is going to outer space (19:17), NFTs and gaming (33:27), and Katie’s views on climate tech (45:49).
Later, Okay, Computer. contributor Cleo Abram drops by with a Huge announcement.
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Co-hosts Dan Nathan and Rick Heitzmann discuss devastation in tech stocks (1:16), potential traffic jams in the IPO market this year (8:31), web2 vs. web3 Twitter beef (15:25), Larry Ellison wondering ‘What the Hell Cloud Computing is?’, and the Elizabeth Holmes trial (20;07). Dan interviews Tom Lee of Fundstrat and talk about how Tom began covering crypto (25:13), whether we could see a flippening in 2022 (28:27), and NFTs (35:35).
Check out On The Tape on Friday for Tom Lee’s take on the stock market.
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This week Dan Nathan, Packy McCormick, and Jarrod Dicker discuss the year that tech ate the markets (4:25), Twitter since Jack Dorsey stepped down as CEO (9:06), Meta vs. Bitcoin (15:54), and concentration in crypto (21:11).
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On this inaugural episode of Okay, Computer., the co-hosts gather to discuss the latest happenings in the tech world. Meltem Demirors of CoinShares and Dan Nathan break down the web3 Twitter wars (:51). Packy McCormick of Not Boring and Rick Heitzmann of FirstMark Capital drop by to reflect on the biggest themes that played out in 2021 and preview what to expect in 2022 (23:28). Katie Stanton of Moxxie Ventures and Dan dig into the private markets (50:02).
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Welcome to Okay, Computer. Each week our tricked-out team of tech investors and former operators breakdown the biggest headlines and themes in both public and private markets, with a specific focus on the intersection of web2 and web3. We will be joined by some of the most influential voices in tech, media, and crypto leaving listeners with fresh perspectives on increasingly complicated topics impacting their lives and investment portfolios. Okay, Computer. Podcast is hosted by Dan Nathan, Katie Stanton, Rick Heitzmann & Packy McCormick with contributors Jarrod Dicker, Meltem Demirors, Cleo Abram, and Sally Shin. RiskReversal's resident luddite, Guy Adami stops in occasionally for Okay, Boomer segments. —
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