Humans First: Reimagine Business Thinking: Recent Episodes
Visual Logic
Humans First is a podcast for business leaders that places a human-centric lens on your business strategy. Join us as we discuss topics such as embracing human-focused design as an organization, scoping a UX project, and hiring the right team to shift your company toward a "humans-first" culture.
Every roadmap hides a tough dilemma: do you slow down to align with global systems that scale, or move fast with local solutions that solve the problem today? Push too hard in either direction and you risk rigid platforms that can’t adapt—or fragmented experiences that collapse under growth.
In this episode of Humans First, we break down global vs. local optimization:
- What these terms really mean in product design
- When local solutions spark speed and creativity
- When global consistency prevents user frustration and costly rework
- Why giving teams a shared language for these tradeoffs changes the conversation
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit visuallogic.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
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Keywords: UX design, product strategy, global optimization, local optimization, design systems, user experience, product leadership, design maturity, human-centered design, product roadmaps
What if your biggest frustration on a project isn’t the timeline, the tools, or the team, but a mismatch between what’s possible and what you’re expecting?
Designers often walk in hoping to “do it right”: full research, deep modeling, layered design. But most projects aren’t built for 100%. And pushing for a perfect process anyway? That’s how good designers burn out—or get ignored.
In this episode, we introduce the idea of a project fingerprint—the unique mix of constraints, appetite, and maturity that shapes what’s achievable. We’ll explore how to recognize it, how far to push, and how to stop chasing perfection in a world that rarely allows it.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit visuallogic.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
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Keywords: UX strategy, design maturity, product leadership, UX burnout, human-centered design, adaptive UX, design constraints, team alignment, enterprise design, design influence
Everyone wants better UX.
But when it’s time to invest, the questions start:
“Why does it cost so much?”
“Can’t we just hire one designer?”
“Isn’t this just a UI refresh?”
In this episode of Humans First, we pull back the curtain on what good design really costs—and why most teams underestimate it.
From $25K quick wins to $6M embedded partnerships, we break down the five biggest factors that drive the cost of UX design—and the hidden costs of getting it wrong.
You’ll hear real stories, real numbers, and hard-won lessons from working with companies who’ve tried it both ways.
If you’re budgeting for UX, building a product, or just wondering where design fits into your strategy—this episode will help you see the full picture.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit visuallogic.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
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Keywords: UX cost, UX pricing, human-centered design, product strategy, design ROI, embedded design teams, UX investment, design leadership, hiring designers, UX team structure, enterprise UX, design maturity
Thinking your product needs a “redesign?” Don’t miss the deeper layers of UX design. In this episode, we break down Jesse James Garrett's "Elements of UX" and explain why focusing only on surface-level design can lead to strategic failure.
Discover why neglecting the deeper layers—skeleton (wireframes, interactions), structure (information architecture, content strategy), scope (features, functionality), and strategy (user needs, business goals, technology)—can negatively impact your product's success.
Learn how design thinking at a strategic level can uncover root problems, build user trust, and drive market share, far beyond superficial aesthetics.
Hosts Andrew Sladky, Andy Van Fleet, and Nick Bray share stories from decades of UX work, discuss how human-centered design should influence business strategy, and offer practical ways to assess your own team's UX maturity.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit visuallogic.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
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Keywords: UX design, user experience strategy, Jesse James Garrett, product design, human-centered design, design thinking, design maturity, product strategy, design leadership, visual design, UX layers, design team building
Why is radical transparency the secret weapon of the best consultants? In this episode of Humans First, Andy Van Fleet, Kurt Vander Wiel, and Kayla Byington discuss Getting Naked by Patrick Lencioni—a book that has shaped how Visual Logic approaches client relationships.
They break down the three fears that hold people back—losing business, being embarrassed, and feeling inferior—and share real-world examples of overcoming these fears to build trust and drive meaningful progress. If you’ve ever struggled with difficult conversations or worried about looking inexperienced, this episode is packed with insights on how authenticity can transform your work.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit visuallogic.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
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Keywords: consulting, leadership, radical transparency, business relationships, Patrick Lencioni, Getting Naked, trust-building, professional growth, UX design, workplace authenticity
Why is UX in the military and defense industry lagging behind commercial tech? Designers in this space face massive hurdles—from bureaucratic layers and security constraints to an engineering-first culture that prioritizes capability over usability.
In this episode of Humans First, Nick Bray, Jason Thompson, and Ben Rendall break down the design maturity scale in defense, the challenges of getting user feedback, and why UX is becoming a competitive advantage for the DoD. They also discuss how the industry can attract top design talent and what commercial UX teams can learn from these challenges.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit visuallogic.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
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Keywords: UX in defense, military ux, military software, design maturity, defense tech, user research challenges, DoD innovation, human-centered design, usability in government, UX strategy, UX leadership, design thinking, defense industry
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogic.com/podcast
Does your team struggle to balance big ideas with practical execution? Do brainstorming sessions feel endless, or do rigid processes stifle innovation? In this episode of Humans First, Visual Logic’s Andrew Sladky, Kayla Byington, and Nick Bray explore how understanding the roles of generators and synthesizers can transform the way teams collaborate and make decisions.
Drawing from Kim Goodwin’s Designing for the Digital Age, they break down how generators push boundaries while synthesizers bring order—and why teams need both to succeed.
Discover how embracing these roles can lead to better collaboration, more effective decision-making, and stronger product development. Learn how to identify these traits in yourself and your team, and optimize the way you work.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
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Keywords: UX design, product development, team collaboration, leadership, innovation, design thinking, agile methodology, business strategy, decision-making.
Why do so many companies feel stuck in an endless cycle of feature requests and customer demands? Often it’s because they’re trapped in a pattern of reacting to their customers instead of leading their customers. In this episode, we break down the three phases companies go through—engineering-led, customer-led, and design-led—and why making the leap to a design-led organization is the key to innovation.
We explore the hidden forces that keep companies from feeling a “glory days” mindset, the difference between simply listening to customers vs. truly leading them, and how to build a product vision that inspires your team while shaping the future of your industry.
🎧 Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
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Keywords: design-led organization, product strategy, customer-driven innovation, design maturity, user experience, engineering vs. design, feature creep, product leadership, innovation mindset, digital transformation
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Why do some of the best products—built by amazing teams—still struggle? Even when they are building exactly what the customer asks for? The answer lies in understanding three key models that shape product success:
- The engineering model (how it actually works)
- The user model (how people think it works), and
- The design model (how we want them to think it works).
In this episode of Humans First, hosts Andrew Sladky, Kurt Vander Wiel, and Nick Bray unpack why misaligned models lead to bad user experience (UX), why customer feedback isn’t always enough, and how great design bridges the gap. We explore real-world examples, from toasters to banking software to missile defense systems, showing how companies can build more intuitive and effective products.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
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Keywords: product design, UX, user experience, customer insights, product strategy, design thinking, user research, digital transformation, innovation, engineering, design maturity
Are banks and fintechs fighting for your financial data? A new data regulation is changing the way consumers control their money—and it’s creating a high-stakes environment between banks, fintechs, and regulators.
In this episode of Humans First, we talk with Lee Wetherington, Senior Director of Corporate Strategy at Jack Henry, about what this means for financial institutions, UX design, and the future of banking. How will fintechs need to evolve? Can banks modernize fast enough? And why does user experience play a bigger role in financial services than ever before?
Listen now on Humans First and subscribe for more insights into design, strategy, and leadership.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
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Keywords: open banking, fintech, financial UX, data wars, banking innovation, user experience, financial services, design thinking, customer experience, bank technology
Our team breaks down the timeline of a user experience design process. Visual Logic partner Andy Van Fleet and Directors of UX Design, Kayla Byington and Nick Bray answer questions like: How long does UX take? And What does the process of integrating UX realistically look like?
To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Our team shares four critical qualities to seek out in your UX and design hires. Visual Logic partner Andy Van Fleet and Director of UX Design, Kayla Byington answer how you identify and suss out these four qualities during the interview process.
To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Visual Logic partner Andy Van Fleet is joined by special guest, Timothy Embretson, the Global VP of Experience Design at IKEA Retail (Ingka Group). The duo reminisces on working together years ago, and dive deep into what it takes to scale a design team from 10 people to 300 in a few short years, and what it takes to join that team.
To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Visual Logic partner Andy Van Fleet is joined by special guest, Dr. Stacy Van Gorp, co-founder at See What I Mean, a consulting agency who specialize in facilitating organizational change. Stacy’s earned her Ph.D. researching the strategic significance of systems trust and resistance to change. Andy and Stacy discuss how trust can help accelerate innovation, overcome friction, and how “productive conflict” occurs when a conversation is centered around user needs.
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Our team dives into how well your organization embraces design, known as your “design maturity.” Visual Logic partner Andy Van Fleet is joined by Director of UX Design Nick Bray to share what organizations at varying levels of design maturity can look like—comparing small businesses all the way to innovative industry leaders.
Visit this episode on our site to see descriptions of each Design Maturity level, example companies, and advised ratio of designers to developers.
- No Formal Design
- Pollinator
- Ad Hoc
- Federated / Distributed
- Centralized
- Hybrid
- Hybrid+
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To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit www.vlgux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Visual Logic partners, Andy Van Fleet and Kurt Vander Wiel recount the origin story of their working relationship over 20 years ago, and share how design is a method that goes beyond just visuals to uncover the underlying human problems in your business. Andy and Kurt speak to What is Design? And Why is Design Thinking so crucial to solving problems?
User Experience (UX)–and all other adjacent Experience disciplines (i.e., CX, EX, OrgX)–help solve complex business problems. Join us at the intersection of design thinking and business strategy.
To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit www.visuallogicux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
In our debut episode, Visual Logic partners Andy Van Fleet and Kurt Vander Wiel, along with Senior UX Designer, Andrew Sladky discuss the past, present, and future of Human-Centered Design.
User Experience (UX)–and all other adjacent Experience disciplines (i.e., CX, EX, OrgX)–help solve complex business problems. Join us at the intersection of design thinking and business strategy.
To learn more about Visual Logic’s Humans First approach, visit www.visuallogicux.com.
Since 1988, Visual Logic has been a trusted User Experience partner for leading companies–helping guide product strategy, and designing stand out user interfaces & customer experiences. Our process helps simplify complex products and leads to elegant, easy-to-use solutions that your customers & end-users will love.
Getting to simple is hard. We’ll help you build & launch with confidence.
For more Humans First, visit: www.visuallogicux.com/podcast
Humans First is a podcast for business leaders that places a human-centric lens on your business strategy. Join us as we discuss topics such as embracing human-focused design as an organization, scoping a UX project, and hiring the right team to shift your company toward a "humans-first" culture.
Humans First is hosted by Visual Logic, a User Experience (UX) design firm with over 30 years of experience helping organizations such as Cargill, Pella, Bobcat, John Deere, Feeding America, and the U.S. Military put humans at the center of their products and organizations.