The Out of the Cave Podcast: Recent Episodes
Lisa Schlosberg
The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.
Lisa sits down with the man, the myth, the legend, Jon Gabriel, founder and creator of the Gabriel Method. They discuss how this breathwork addresses mental, emotional, and physical health, offering sustainable and long-term well-being solutions.
Topics Include:
- The Gabriel Method
- Stress Reduction
- Effective and Sustainable Weight Loss
- Safety
[1:00] Lisa introduces her guest, Jon Gabriel, and shares her personal journey of how she met him and became a supporter of his work after initially being resistant to his message and how she knew she needed to work with him.
[5:00] Jon Gabriel shares the story about how so many people who are resistant to his work at first become fierce supporters, including several interviewers. Jon goes on to share how he eventually lost 220 pounds without dieting or forcing restriction but by eating healthier.
[9:00] Jon talks about his struggle with weight and his experience with various diets, including working face to face with Dr. Atkins.
[11:00] Jon explains the Gabriel Method, which focuses on getting the body to want to be thin by working with its survival programs rather than against them. This involves making the body feel safe, not forcing restriction, and how to turn off your fat programs.
[17:24] Jon discusses the concept of fat as a survival adaptation and how understanding this can help in creating a sustainable weight loss strategy. Jon contrasts traditional dieting, which often involves forced restriction, with his method that focuses on making the body feel safe and naturally reducing the desire to overeat. Jon and Lisa discuss how fat programs are inherited for survival, particularly in conditions of famine and cold and how our biology interprets different types of stress. Chronic low-grade stress favors fat retention, while acute stress favors being thin.
[22:24] Lisa shares her personal experience of losing 150 pounds through diet and exercise, and her initial skepticism towards the idea that diets don’t work. Lisa uses the analogy of holding a volleyball underwater to describe the temporary nature of weight loss through dieting and the challenge of maintaining it. Lisa and Jon talk about the importance of understanding the connection between mind and body in weight management, and how stress and mental state affect physical health. Jon shares a personal anecdote about working on Wall Street and gaining 200 pounds due to stress, contrasting with a colleague who lost weight under the same conditions.
[36:16] Jon talks about how he felt like he didn’t want to gain anymore weight and took a leap of faith and began his health journey with getting his sleep apnea addressed and real rest lowered his cortisol levels and how through that he lost 120 pounds without making any lifestyle changes.
[42:12] Jon talks about the effectiveness of visualization in weight loss, and how it helped him achieve his goals.
[56:53] Lisa and Jon emphasize that safety is the baseline for sustainable weight loss. The body needs to feel safe mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, and physically to lose weight effectively. Both Jon and Lisa discuss the importance of a daily meditation practice.
[1:00:00] Lisa and Jon close out the discussion with their excitement about seeing each other at the Gabriel Method Retreat at the Omega Institute and how to find Jon online: Jon Gabriel Instagram, The Gabriel Method Retreat at the Omega Institute, and The Gabriel Method website.
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Lisa is joined by Restorative Health and Wellness professional, Sean Jacobs, as they discuss the importance of a holistic approach to fitness, integrating mind-body connection and breathwork. They talk about how this method addresses mental, emotional, and physical health, offering sustainable and long-term well-being solutions. Sean also highlights the significance of proper breathing techniques, stress management, and the need for continuous improvement in one’s personal and professional life.
Topics Include:
- Holistic Fitness
- Different Types of Breathing
- Importance of Breathwork
- Overall Fitness and Well-Being
[2:00] Lisa expresses excitement about connecting with someone who shares similar interests, philosophy, and curiosity, leading to a meaningful conversation. Sean introduces himself as a holistic human performance specialist, emphasizing the importance of a holistic approach to the human body and behavior. Sean explains his philosophy of considering the mind-body connection and the nuances of human differences in his approach to fitness and well-being. Sean talks about how he and his wife run an online training and nutrition coaching business that focuses on holistic approaches, addressing gray areas often disregarded by personal trainers and medical professionals.
[5:00] Lisa and Sean discuss the importance of nuance and gray areas in their work, which they feel has been lost in many places. Sean talks about how many of his clients are looking for sustainable, longevity-focused programs rather than short-term quick fixes and are dealing with significant mental, emotional, or physical obstacles that force them to make a change.
[11:50] Sean shares his journey into breathwork that began with a lack of answers in traditional fitness and health education, leading to self-study and mentorship in breathwork and human movement. He goes on to tell how it felt important to bring this information to others in a meaningful way.
[19:25] Sean discusses how people are unaware of their breathing patterns and how mastering the three types of breathing can improve overall health, manage stress, and enhance mobility.
[22:36] Lisa and Sean deep dive into the impact of stress and body image on breathing patterns and the importance of proper breath control for overall well-being. Sean explains the three types of breathing: nasal breathing, slowing respiratory rate, and diaphragmatic breathing.
[41:00] Sean shares how his techniques of down regulation help with emptying the stress bucket so that later it can increase to help manage stress better.
[1:00:00] Lisa and Sean close out the discussion with how to find Sean online: Jacobs Fitness Instagram, YouTube, Master Class, and website.
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Lisa is joined by OOTC group coaching program alum, Cyndie, as they discuss the profound impact that family dynamics, emotional eating, and societal pressures on body image had on her. They discuss how through the group coaching program Cyndie was able to make the shift towards self-compassion and her happier, authentic self.
Topics Include:
- Family Dynamics
- Diet Culture
- Intuitive Eating and Anti-Diet Culture
- Self-Compassion and Acceptance
[2:00] Lisa and Cyndie start off the discussion with who Cyndie is and how she came to the OOTC retreat very early into the group coaching program.
[5:00] Cyndie discussed her early memories related to food within her family context, emphasizing the cultural importance of food in her Italian and Mexican heritage and how food was associated with love and family gatherings.
[9:00] Cyndie talks about how her father’s alcoholism made meal times emotionally charged and potentially dangerous, overshadowing the nurturing aspect of food.
[14:00] Lisa and Cyndie discuss the shame and unwanted attention received from early physical development during puberty, leading to body image issues. In response to body shaming and control over appearance, Cyndie talks about adopting a punk rock persona as a form of rebellion during teenage years. Despite being physically small, Cyndie shares how she perceived herself as larger due to body dysmorphia influenced by societal beauty standards.
[30:00] Cyndie recounts experiences with Weight Watchers, highlighting the cyclical nature of dieting and the psychological impact of constantly measuring food and body. After multiple dieting attempts, Cyndie explored anti-diet culture, seeking to normalize her relationship with food and body image.
[44:00] Cyndie shares that during periods of personal trauma, such as family illness and loss, food became a source of comfort and emotional coping. It was during one of these times that Cyndie found Lisa and made the decision to join the group coaching program.
[53:30] Cyndie shares her experience with the group coaching program and all she has learned from the OOTC group coaching program and how it has changed her life and her relationship with food.
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Lisa describes an online incident, “Eyebrow Gate”, where a video mocking her eyebrows went viral, leading to a flood of negative comments and harassment across various platforms, including Instagram, email, and even her personal cell phone.
Topics Include:
- Online Harassment
- Resilience
- Self-Compassion and Support
- Personal Growth and Healing
[3:00] Lisa discusses what happened in the events that led to Eyebrow Gate and her experience of it.
[14:10] Lisa then discusses what she did, how she moved through the experience of being harassed online, and her coping strategies. Lisa talks about feeling her feelings, not stopping herself from experiencing them. She talks about navigating her feelings with embarrassment and finally accepting them through all of this. She discusses the support system she had in her friends and the self-compassion she showed herself during this time.
[33:05] Lisa shares her takeaways and reflections from going through the whole experience. Lisa talks about the things people said that were meant to be supportive but only made her feel not seen and the things she wished they had said instead. She discusses her experience dealing with her inner child in a compassionate way and how we should always show ourselves kindness and compassion.
[48:45] Lisa concludes with sharing the next steps for herself now that she is on the other side of the harassment. She explains how she is proceeding as the person she wishes to be and is operating under that persona.
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Lisa interviews Erin, OOTC group coaching alum, an animal loving veterinarian who, through the group coaching program, has achieved significant personal growth and changes in a matter of months, which years of therapy couldn’t achieve. She also has learned to accept herself and has a community of acceptance without judgment allowing her to finally have a feeling of safety.
Topics Include:
- Early Struggles with Food and Body Image
- Body Image and Self-Worth
- Eating Disorder and Mental Health
- Personal Growth and Healing Journey
[3:00] Erin discusses the early stages of life, from ages 0-5 and 5-10, and the lack of significant issues with food or body image. However, from ages 5-10, she started receiving messages about being too big and weighing too much, primarily after pediatrician appointments, leading to a restricted diet by her mother
[11:00] Erin shares her decision to lose weight before starting high school by counting calories and increasing physical activity and how this weight loss led to a boost in self-esteem and more attention from her peers
[14:00] Erin goes on to discuss how the loss of her first relationship led to feeling of inadequacy and how comments about her body affected her self-image and ultimately the beginning of her experience with bulimia
[37:00] Erin and Lisa discuss Erin’s belief that being thinner would lead to happiness and fulfillment persisted until finally admitting to her husband that she had a problem and made the commitment to seek therapy and work on recovery
[40:11] Erin recounts finding the OOTC podcast and how Lisa’s approach deeply resonated with her and made her feel understood and less alone; after two years of listening to the podcast and following Lisa on social media, Erin decided to join the group coaching program
[46:00] Erin and Lisa discuss the importance of recognizing one’s worth and deservingness of healing, love, safety, and stability in life, body, and relationship with food
[50:03] Erin closes out with her gratitude that through the group coaching program has found a community of accepting and non-judgmental people where she can be vulnerable
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Join Lisa as she talks to Out of the Cave group coaching alum,Muna. Topics include: Muna's journey from childhood to adolescence, exploring her evolving relationship with food, body image, cultural influences, and the change in family dynamics. The conversation continues as Muna describes her experiences with disordered eating, specifically bingeing, purging, and later developing a restrictive relationship with food, intertwined with addictive marijuana use. Muna describes how a mountain biking accident led to a period of grief and loss of identity, triggering binge eating as a coping mechanism. This behavior persisted into early adulthood, alongside struggles with depression and insomnia. Muna talks about finding relief from insomnia through marijuana use, which then evolved into an addictive coping mechanism. Muna describes receiving praise for weight loss, leading to a restrictive relationship with food out of fear of losing attention gained from weight loss. Muna recalls how this cycle persisted for decades, and how even though she was maintaining a successful outward appearance, she was struggling internally with disordered eating and addiction. Muna discusses how she experienced addiction transfer and cross addiction, moving from one addictive behavior to another without addressing the underlying issues. Lisa and Muna continue the discussion with Muna’s relapse during the pandemic and her new road to recovery. Muna discusses the significance of grief work in her personal growth and recovery and how it is an essential aspect of healing. Muna also shares free recovery resources. Lisa and Muna wrap up the conversation with a discussion of the importance of community and how it makes a difference in recovery and how the OOTC group coaching program helped bring that to her.
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Join Lisa as she continues her conversation with Julie Markowitz, a licensed social worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating chronic pain, as they continue to discuss Julie’s healing journey to her true self. Topics include: [02:10] trigger warnings and their place in weight loss and chronic pain relationships, the difference between taking care of yourself and avoidance, [09:17] Lisa and Julie talk about Julie’s recovery from disordered eating and how intuitive eating played a part in it, [12:38] they talk about wavering through recovery and feeling safe through perceived threats, [16:25] Lisa and Julie go deeper into how Julie learned about intuitive eating, and how healing from disordered eating isn’t just about the food but healing the whole person, [19:40] Julie explains more about what weight science is, weight set point, why diets don’t work, and the Minnesota Starvation Study, how Julie couldn’t control her weight the way she thought she could, and how the body needed to gain weight until it felt safe enough to regulate, [25:35] Julie and Lisa discuss how doctors fail to correlate the relationship between their disordered eating and their loss of menstruation, how the return of that was a sign of health , [29:36] Julie and Lisa further explore the recovery process and learning how to eat again, their recovery from disordered eating, the feelings around that, and the importance of finding the right supports to get through the process, [37:00] Julie discusses navigating recovery through the rough times, intentional weight loss, and the feelings around people commenting on her body, [54:00] Julie and Lisa discuss the pivotal moment of finding movement that feels good the body, how yoga helped improve their relationships with their bodies, and explore using exercise not for weight loss but as a way for your body to feel good, [1:02:00] Julie closes out with emphasizing that the recovery process cannot be rushed and recovery does not look the same for everyone. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register forGroup Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com.Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Join Lisa as she sits with Julie Markowitz, a licensedsocial worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating chronic pain, as they discuss Julie’s healing journey to her true self. Topics include: [03:10] Julie discusses her personal journey through anxiety, disordered eating, chronic pain, and depression, [11:10] Lisa and Julie talk about the overlap between chronic pain and disordered eating, [15:49] Julie defines and discusses Complex PTSD, [21:27] Lisa and Julie talk about falling through the cracks medically and her eating disorder and the rewards of looking thin, [27:00] Julie talks about the isolation and shame of having an eating disorder and the fear of recovering, [34:27] Julie and Lisa discuss choosingrecovery, [45:25] Julie talks about the vulnerability in recovery and opening yourself up to relationships with other people, and [1:02:00] Julie closes out with how to begin on the path to authenticity. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Dr. David Wiss to talk about using nutrition as a healing modality in recovery from addiction and how he invites nuance in as he works with clients who struggle with disordered eating from a mind-body approach.Topics Include: Neurochemistry and hedonic (rewards based) eating Ultra-Processed Food Addiction Qualitative approach to nutrition [5 types of] Restriction vs Dietary Restraint[11:40] Dr. Wiss speaks to the overlap between food addiction and eating disorders, and the difficulty of having open conversations about the topic in the current climate of binary thinking[23:00] Dr. Wiss talks about accessing the “Wise Mind,” not thinking in extremes, and addressing black and white thinking[34:00] Dr. Wiss shares how and why he works with clients to deconstruct old approaches and take the math out of nutrition and how one behavior can be totally functional for one person and disordered for another[47:00] Dr. Wiss explains what it means to be food positive and how he uses that mindset when working with clients[53:00] Dr. Wiss how he has made working with him accessible through his app Wise Mind Nutrition*The views and beliefs of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Connect with Dr. Wiss Instagram | Wise Mind Nutrition App | Nutrition in RecoveryPurchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comBecome a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls MonthlyOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTube
In part 4 of the conversation around intentional weight loss, Lisa shares vulnerably about the nonlinear journey she is on personally.
Topics Include:
- The balance between being intuitive and planning when it comes to food and eating
- Alcohol and weight loss
- Taking a break from the priority of weight loss
- PMS and body image
- Seeking external validation/safety while losing weight through other people and the scale
- Relapse
[4:10] Lisa shares her personal dos and don’ts when it comes to intentionally losing weight
[40:00] Lisa talks about what is has been like for her practically and real life on her nonlinear journey of weight loss, including a relapse where she began to use food and other behaviors to cope with her emotions again
[55:00] “Getting back on the wagon,” the Out of the Cave way aka “The Order of Operations,” of Intentional Weight Loss
[1:07] Ancestral and generational trauma
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Lisa sits down to share with you what has been dubbed the (second) most important episode of the Out of the Cave Podcast ever.
Topics Include:
- Feeling shamed for wanting to lose weight
- Connection to your body as it exists presently
- Creating a calorie deficit and your brain feeling safe
- How to set realistic expectations around weight loss
[5:00] Lisa shares the definition of freedom and how freedom or a lack of feeling of freedom affects weight loss
[9:00] Moving through the discomfort in not being where you used to be
[18:00] The impact of saying, “I have to…” and the power of language on a weight loss journey
[33:00] The ease of gaining weight vs the ease of losing weight and having realistic expectations around weight loss
[48:30] Checking your mindset around saying, “I am on a weight loss journey,” and whether that feels empowering or disempowering
[52:00] Honoring your body and not eating like a robot
[57:00] Lisa shares an experience she had while personal training and studying integrative nutrition
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Lisa sits down with Sara Baio, mom of three and former Special Education turned mindfulness instructor to talk about the life-saving power of mindfulness.Topics Include: Parenting a child with disabilities Mindfulness deeply defined Practicing mindfulness in a trauma-informed way Mindful Self-Compassion The second arrow[6:00] Sara talks about her shame and struggle about parenting her first son with ADHD, when she felt so competent as a Special Education teacher, and how mindfulness changed everything for both her and her toddler[17:00] Sara shares about some of the walls she ran into when she first introduced mindfulness and how she switched course[26:00] Sara explains how societal expectations and hustle culture affected her body and nervous system and explains mindfulness based stress reduction, a program designed by Jon Kabat-Zin and Lisa relates the work to body image[50:00] Sara busts mindfulness myths and encourages people to find a mindfulness practice that works, because there are so manyConnect with Sara YouTube | WebsiteResources: Sitting Still Like FrogMindful SchoolsMindfulness Based Stress ReductionSave $500 when you register for Group Coaching the Month of November! - The next cohort of group coaching beings January 2024Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comBecome a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls MonthlyOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Mordechai who has maintained an over 100 pound weight loss through the Gabriel Method, to talk about life after initial weight loss success.
Topics Include:
- Being a “success” story
- The Gabriel Method
- Mindful emotional eating
- Dealing with cravings
[3:30] Mordechai talks about going on stage to represent a weight loss success story only to get off stage and eat pastries
[8:00] Mordechai shares what his relationship to food, eating, and body image was like before his weight loss and what was different when he found The Gabriel Method and how he handles emotional eating today
[16:00] Mordechai tells us how he learned to feel feelings and shares strategies to move through emotion
[29:00] Mordechai talks about the two different ball games that weight loss vs maintenance
[38:00] Mordechai explains how the way he maintains his weight loss is different than being on a diet, restricting, or participating in diet culture
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In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her approach to her current intentional weight loss on both the emotional and physical dimension.
Topics Include:
- Acceptance on a somatic level
- Embodying a sense of safety in your current body
- Emotional sobriety
- Withdrawal
[6:00] Lisa discusses her belief system around weight loss
[17:00] Lisa talks addressing emotional issues with emotional solutions and physical issues with physical solutions
[30:00] Lisa gives suggestions of things to implement into your self-care routine before attempting intentional weight loss, and talks about not bringing certain foods in the house, and practicing emotional sobriety
[59:00] Lisa reveals what did to do to intentionally lose weight on the physical dimension
[1:20:00] Lisa explains practicing high involvement, low attachment around weight loss
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In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her recent weight gain and how she is meeting herself on the mental and emotional dimension before addressing weight loss on the physical level.
Topics Include:
- Lisa’s opinion on trigger warnings + the research
- Weight gain
- Internal vs External motivation for weight loss
- The scale
- Mind-Body approach to weight loss
[3:30] Lisa delivers an announcement about changes to the Out of the Cave Podcast as we approach 100th episode
[6:30] Lisa explains why she does not use trigger warnings (Links to Research Cited: https://empathymatters.org/now/gabor-mate-edwin-rutsch/
https://icfyb.com/four-ways-to-take-control-of-your-psychological-triggers/ )
[27:00] Lisa talks about her weight gain
[47:30] Lisa discusses the difference between physically feeling uncomfortable after weight gain and feeling mentally and emotionally uncomfortable after weight gain
[53:00] Lisa shares her own experience with the scale
[1:00:00] Lisa talks about her own fear around weight gain and walking the walk, and becoming “a product of her product”
[1:12:00] Lisa discusses the mental space her weight gain took up in her brain and how she met herself and addressing thoughts of failure
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Lisa sits down for part two of her conversation with Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk about how reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of herself transformed her relationship to food and eating.
Topics Include:
- Eliminating food groups in the name of health
- Precontemplation phase of making change
- Conscious input shaping your experience
- Reparenting around food
- Discomfort vs Danger
- Metaphysical and spiritual healing
[5:00] Alison recounts her own early memories around food and eating from birth and reflects on the effect of puberty on that relationship and her body image
[11:00] Alison embraces medical advice and removes gluten totally from her diet as a young teen and continues to eliminate other types of food from her diet over the years
[23:00] After living with limitations around what she can and cannot eat for a decade and a half, Alison shares what happened to make her shift her beliefs and practices around food
[32:00] Alison tells the story of deciding to have a cheeseburger after 5 years of being meat free and the meaning she made of the experience and transpired after
[56:00] Alison talks about the mental work, reparenting, and rewiring she had to do while reintegrating food groups into her diet, with the understanding that it was not about the food and Lisa relates this practice to those that are healing around overeating, undereating, restriction, mindless eating, picky eating, etc
[1:09:00] Alison shares the influence her relationship with Lisa and Out of the Cave has had on her healing and journey of reparenting herself
[1:18:00] Alison teaches about the root chakra and the metaphysical level on which we heal and shares where she is with food and eating today
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Lisa sits down with her colleague and bestie, Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of yourself.
Topics Include:
- Avoiding big feelings
- Spiritual Bypassing
- Restraint and discipline from a place of love
- Unmuting the inner child
[14:00] Alison talks about the internal shift that allows her to sit with and feel her darker parts and tell the truth about it and reflects on her past and describes the ways she would resist and avoid uncomfortable feelings
[25:00] Lisa and Alison speak to the concept and Alison’s experience of spiritual bypassing
[32:00] Alison reflects on her journey of leaning on social connection and relationships to avoid feelings of stress, to being an observer of that practice, to giving those feelings and emotions the opportunity to speak to her
[55:00] Alison describes a visual where she in parenting her inner children and parts and how she interacts with parts when she does not have time and space to hear them out in the moment
[1:15:00] Alison talks about practicing self-care throughout the day, while we carry out our responsibilities and how live in harmony with our emotional selves and spiritual selves
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Lisa interviews Kasey, self-identified, normal girl from New York, and group coaching alum Kasey, about trying to find safety and validation in a body shape and size to moving to a truer embodiment of internal safety.
Topics Include:
- Thin privilege
- Feeling superior
- Internal vs External Validation
- Body Dysmorphia
[7:30] Kasey reflects on how “being small” was rewarded was just the norm that was strived from such a young age
[15:00] Kasey and Lisa explore how Kasey felt most safe when she believed people were feeling jealous of her and moving through the shame that came with that realization
[27:00] Kasey shares about her all or nothing relationship with diet and exercise and alcohol during her college years
[31:00] Kasey gets shredded during Covid lockdown and would look in the mirror and only see what “wasn’t good enough” and finds Lisa while walking the line of disorder
[43:00] Kasey joins group coaching and reconstructs what it means to be healthy and also feels seen and validated in a way she had not experienced before
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Lisa sits down with 14-Week Group Coaching alum, pharmacist, and single mom by choice Erica, to talk about how trauma, grief, and loss, collided with early motherhood and the Covid19 pandemic. She shares how she unconsciously turned to food and experienced rapid weight gain coupled with shame and found Out of the Cave and was able to understand her experience and heal.
Topics Include:
- 90s and early 2000s diet culture
- Picky eating
- Trauma, grief and loss and its impact on our relationship to food
- Operating in survival mode
- Releasing shame and self-blame
- Neurobiology
[3:30] Erica looks back on her earliest memories around food and eating and the effect of being a Black ballet dancer and cheerleader on her body image
[20:00] Erica remembers being a teen and wanting to be in a smaller body and grappling with fitting in as Black AP student and goes into life as a broke college student, experiencing high levels of stress and experiencing clinical depression
[30:00] Erica shares when food, eating, and body image really became a top of mind issue for her as she walked a path toward parenthood through donor conception and attempting different diets with a toxic partner
[36:00] Erica gives birth to twins boys as a single mom by choice right before the Covid19 pandemic and simultaneously her sister was battling an aggressive cancer and life as she knew it was pulled from under her and turns to food, and beats herself up for her lack of willpower
[40:00] Erica finds Lisa and Out of the Cave and shares the freedom of letting go of the story that she is “A lazy piece of sh*t” and shares how the work has positively impacted her sons and the culture of food and eating
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Lisa sits down with Elyse Schunkewitz, LCSW again. This time the roles are reversed and Elyse interviews Lisa about the personal, educational, and professional experiences that have shaped the Out of the Cave Group Coaching Program and discuss how Lisa serves her clients.
Topics Include:
- The difference between Out of the Cave and eating disorder treatment
- The Binge Restrict Cycle
- Body Image
- Confidence vs Self-Esteem
- Systemic Oppression and Thin Privilege
[2:30]Lisa explains how she developed the philosophy that her group coaching program is built upon and shares the influences that has brought her to where she is today, including her lived experience, education and relationships she has built throughout the years
[14:00] Lisa shares what it means to work with her as a client inside the 14 week group coaching container
[23:10] Lisa gives her thoughts on intuitive eating, anti-diet culture, and eating disorder treatment
[42:00] Lisa dives deeper into what she means when she says, “I help people release the addiction of the illusion of control around their bodies.”
[52:00] Elyse and Lisa discuss the dichotomy of confidence and self-esteem
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Lisa sits down with group coaching alum and aftercare member, Jenny, to talk about how before we were able to identify “diet culture,” it was just the way we were raised and socialized and how she was able to see the light and ultimately come out of the cave.
Topics:
- Puberty and body image
- 90s diet culture trends
- Emotional eating
- The “drug” of weight loss compliments
- Internal Family Systems
[5:00] Jenny reflects on her early memories around food and eating, how the her mother talked about dieting and her own body and how puberty began to impact her relationship to eating and body image
[22:00] Jenny talks about her early 20s and how she used the persona as the very smart, funny, fat friend as a protective factor as she struggled with her body image, all while her parents divorced, her mother battled addiction, and she now had a baby brother and was responsible for his safety, and looked to food for comfort
[33:00] Jenny discusses the impact of being told she is pre-diabetic by a doctor and pursuing weight loss, and subsequent swings in her weight for the next ten years and what ultimately made her decide to step away from dieting and seek therapy
[42:00] Jenny finds the Health at Every Size and Intuitive Eating movements and started exploring the emotional component of her own eating and ultimately collides with Lisa and Out of the Cave
[1:02:00] Jenny shares her biggest takeaways from group coaching
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Lisa sits down with Out of the Cave Coach, Alé Cardinalle, MSW to talk about how practicing baby led weaning with her son and feeding her family has given her own healing journey around food and eating an ultra boost.
Topics Include: Reparenting ourselves around food and eating Baby Led Weaning The Division of Responsibility The healing power of love
[3:00] Alé reflects on learning about the concept of reparenting in terms of food and eating for the first time and how that laid the foundation for her healing around food and eating [8:00] Alé shares about baby led weaning her son [17:00] Lisa explains Ellen Satter’s, Division of Responsibility [25:00] Alé talks about how her own relationship to food and eating has been impacted by watching her son interact with food and eating [1:00:00] Lisa and Alé discuss blocking out all the messages and “shoulds” around diet and landing in the middle of pendulum
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Lisa sits down with Eleni Agresta, MS RDN, weight inclusive, registered dietician to talk about the field of nutrition, where it’s missing the mark, and how to find a practitioner that’s right for you.
Topics Include:
- Childhood diet trauma
- The effect of restrictive dieting on the mind-body system
- Fatphobia
- Weight vs Health
[4:00] Eleni talks about her personal story regarding food, eating, body image, and stress that led her to serving her clients in the way she does
[15:00] Lisa and Eleni discuss the division of responsibility and advice for parents when it comes to feed, eating, and body topics in the
[26:00] Eleni speaks to some of the issues in the nutrition field regarding its eurocentricity and how that has impacted how she has educated herself and how she interacts with her clients and why she no longer preaches intentional weight loss
[38:00] Lisa and Eleni talk about the damage that dieting and rapid weight loss did on their own hunger and fullness cues and their own methods for eating when they’re hungry
[50:00] Eleni and Lisa discuss where they believe the intuitive eating movement, and some of the coaches miss the mark and how they approach things a bit differently
[57:00] Eleni speaks to how she approaches potential clients with the goal of intentional weight loss and discusses prioritizing health over weight
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Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, and Marriage and Family Therapist, D, for the second time on the pod to discuss scarcity from an Internal Family Systems perspective.
Topics Include:
- Internal Family Systems
- Turning toward vs turning away
- What it means and doesn’t mean to validate
- Scarcity vs Abundance, vs “Enoughness”
[5:00] D gives a brief overview of Richard Schwartz’s theory, Internal Family Systems, or IFS, and how the scarcity part of her is interacting with food and eating
[10:00] Lisa discusses the concept of Nicole Sach’s quote, “Life is a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse,” and “Option 3”
[19:00] Lisa and D talk about what it looks like to express love to parts of ourselves, like scarcity, who wants what she wants when she wants it, and validate that part even when we don’t agree
[40:00] Lisa and D explain the process they move through to be with themselves when they act out of alignment
[50:00] D and Lisa deep dive on the idea of scarcity and how to be with that feeling
[1:10:00] Lisa and D discuss the belief system of the self (core beliefs) vs beliefs of the parts
[1:20:00] Lisa and D talk about how to meet a part that says, “I am not enough,” or “I don’t belong”
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Lisa sits down with Lara Days, Intuitive Eating Counselor, to have a candid and nuanced conversation about Lara’s perspective on intuitive eating.
Topics:
- Body image issues born in the pediatrician's office
- The 10 principles of Intuitive eating
- Mythbusting common intuitive eating misconceptions
- The intuitive eating movement’s stance on weight loss
[5:00] Lara tells the story of how she got into the work she does now with her clients and explains why a nutrition certification was not enough on its own
[10:00] Lara and Lisa go down a rabbit hole to discuss the intersection of music and being a musician and working in the health and wellness space
[21:00] Lara reflects on her relationship with her body in childhood and her experience going to the pediatrician as a child small in stature
[31:00] Lara goes into detail about intuitive eating, who her clients are and how she serves them
[41:00] Lisa asks Lara to speak on some questions and concerns she has about intuitive eating as a movement
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Lisa sits down with Marina Yanay-Triner, a coach who uses somatic methods to help people heal the nervous system and founder of the Somashare app, to talk about the practical ways we can regulate and move through emotions.
Topics Include:
- Somatic experiencing
- Internal Family Systems and parts work
- Shifting your nervous system into safety
- Transforming black and white thinking
- Human design
[2:30] Marina talks about the app she created, Somashare, where users are guided tangible practices for the nervous system in real time
[5:30] Marina tells the winding she took that landed her to discover somatics and make it her life’s work
[10:00] Marina explains what has drawn her to working with people and their trauma and triggers and speaks about her own somatic work
[21:00] Marina shares what it looks like for her to work through triggers and the questions she asks herself
[29:00] Marina talks about the process and practices she uses for allowing and moving through difficult or triggering emotions
[36:00] Marina speaks to how to know it’s time to rest, or intentionally choose to distract, and when it’s time to be with emotion
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Lisa sits down with group alum, Linda, to talk about her experience with weight and body image issues during and after pregnancy, the role grief plays in our relationship to food and eating, and the important role the experience of being inside Out of the Cave’s community has brought to her life.
Topics Include:
- Pregnancy and postpartum affecting our relationship to food, eating, and body image
- Yo-yo dieting
- The science of post-diet weight gain
- Grief, loss, and eating
[2:00] Linda outlines the events that led her to join OOTC group coaching and then swings back to childhood and recalls what food, eating, and body image was like throughout the years
[22:00] Linda talks about how her pregnancies and postpartum affected her body and relationship to food and eating
[37:00] Linda talks about how things have been going for her in the more recent past and the impact of losing her sister and how she found Lisa through Nicole Sachs
[45:00] Linda deeply reflects on the gifts she received from Out of the Cave’s Group Coaching Program
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Lisa sits down with Ruthie Lindsey, speaker, author, coach, and midwife of souls to talk about her history of disordered eating and the tools she’s cultivated and utilizes to come home to herself as often as she needs.
Topics Include:
- Your story becoming your identity
- Learning to calm your nervous system
- Shadow and parts work
- Turning toward vs turning away
[5:00] Ruthie gives an overview of her story and her journey of chronic pain that began with being hit by an ambulance at 17 years old and the beliefs she internalized around thinness, beauty, religion, and sexuality
[13:00] Ruthie reflects on the sudden loss of her father and how that allowed her to get life saving surgery and reveals how her pain story allowed her to become who she actually is
[21:00] Ruthie talks about how she came back home to herself and her body after a lifetime of numbing, disconnection, and dissociation and what she practices when the shadows show up
[42:00] Ruthie remembers what it was like to have a conscious binge
[50:00] Ruthie talks about her relationship to resistance
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Lisa sits down with influencer, YouTuber, and life coach, Alyse Parker to talk about her expertise on the five survival patterns and how these patterns can play a role in our relationship to food, eating, and our bodies. (Part 2 of 2)
Topics Include:
- Conscious communication
- Conscious parenting
- Four steps to nonviolent communication
[1:00] Alyse talks about the ways in which we can get back to baseline depending on our survival pattern and how to establish a nourishing self care routine, including around found
[7:00] Alyse speaks to how we internalize our parent figure and take their voice as our own and it becomes woven into our survival pattern
[14:00] Lisa and Alyse discuss allowing other people into the healing process
[30:00] Alyse shares her knowledge on what it means to express emotional needs and boundaries using conscious communication and what challenges show up in certain patterns
[42:30] Lisa and Alyse discuss how this work can impact child and parent relationships and how Lisa has been able to rewire and heal through relationships in adulthood
[57:00] Alyse speaks to running multiple patterns and having a default pattern and the gifts of each pattern
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Lisa sits down with influencer, YouTuber, and life coach, Alyse to talk about her history and struggles around food, eating, and body image and segue into her expertise on the five survival patterns.Topics Include: Wanting to look better and feel better Orthorexia Five personality patterns[5:00] Alyse reflects the beginnings of sharing her life on social media and addressing her struggles with food, alcohol and drugs laid the foundation for her influential career on Youtube and other platforms and where those issues originated[13:30] Alyse explains how another influencer, influenced her right into raw veganism overnight and details the three years where she tried all different types of diets within veganism, and the effect on her physical, mental and emotional health, and the backdrop of her sharing her journey on social media[25:00] Alyse talks about how things to a turn for her after encountering health issues due to diet and environmental factors [35:00] Alyse and Lisa segue away from Alyse’s personal story into the work she puts out into the world surrounding relationships and communication, and outlines the five survival patterns[56:00] Alyse explains the survival patterns as they relate to food and eating and how to create internal safety based on your survival pattern Resource The Five Personality Patterns by Stephen KesslerConnect with Alyse YouTube | Instagram | WebsiteGet on the Waitlist for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comBecome a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls MonthlyOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Tori for a real time heal to address why she has been struggling to accept her own image in the mirror since she was a child.
Topics:
- Living with a parent who is critical of your body
- Alcohol’s effect on eating
- Grieving the parents we deserved
- Objectifying ourselves and healing body image issues
[6:00] Tori recounts her earliest memories around food, eating, and body image and living with a mom who was a chronic dieter who projected her own insecurities
[17:00] Tori talks about her relationship with alcohol and how it affected her emotional eating, yo-yo dieting, and the praise she received for rapid weight loss and how she accidentally stumbled upon Lisa’s work
[25:00] Tori reflects on her feelings surrounding the decades of struggle around food, eating, body image, weight loss, and weight gain and her experience at the Cure for Chronic Pain retreat with Nicole Sachs and Lisa
[31:00] Tori confronts where she is now in terms of food and eating and reveals where she is struggling emotionally
[42:00] Lisa begins the coaching session and asks Tori probing questions like what it feels like to look in the mirror and about Tori’s relationship with her parents
[1:04:00] Tori wonders if she can be a person who has a drink time to time and explores the idea with Lisa
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Lisa sits down with her oldest friend and bestie, Cristina, to talk about how self-described, lifelong skeptic and rejector of all things woo-woo and granola, Cristina, had a spiritual awakening, against her will in a hotel room in Houston, Texas and why it’s all Lisa’s fault.
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- Being a spiritual skeptic to having a spiritual awakening
- Adverse reaction to cannabis
- Experiencing severe panic attacks
- The power of breath work
- Healing inside safe relationships
[5:00] Cristina and Lisa share their connection surrounding their early belief system (or lack thereof) around spirituality and where they diverged into two completely different directions
[10:00] Cristina talks about experiencing anxiety and depression before having a name for what she was feeling
[25:00] Lisa and Cristina tell the story of their girls’ trip gone very wrong
[43:00] Lisa and Cristina recount Lisa coaching Cristina through a panic attack and that event became a pivotal moment in Cristina’s life
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Lisa sits down with Mourad, who, like Lisa, has sustained an over 100 pound weight loss for over a decade, to talk about his passion: the role of the mind in long term, sustainable weight loss.
Topics Include:
- The Gabriel Method
- Childhood trauma and weight gain
- The role of acceptance in transformation
- Self Inquiry
[7:00] Mourad shares how food became comfort at 5 years old, after being separated from his mother, and how people’s reaction his his eating exacerbated his struggle
[13:30] Lisa explains “The Volleyball Effect”
[15:00] Mourad reveals how he stumbled upon the Gabriel Method after yo-yo dieting and begins a meditation practice, and explains what his transformation entailed
[24:00] Lisa and Mourad discuss how the energy they brought to their weight loss made it very different than a diet, despite some of the actions on the surface looking like dieting
[33:00] Mourad shares his thoughts on how to get to a place of acceptance and acceptance as a practice
[42:00] Mourad explains his belief that the mental aspect of maintaining his weight loss is more important than what he does on the physical level
[54:00] Lisa and Mourad talk about moving from perfectionism and over control to aiming for a state of flow
[1:03:00] Mourad responds to those that would say long term, sustainable weight loss is not possible
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Lisa sits down with fellow personal trainer turned social worker, Elyse Schunkewitz, LCSW, to talk about why and how they’ve both moved from more traditional modalities of therapy to improving their own lives and the lives of their clients with an integrative, mind-body-soul approach.
Topics Include:
- Western medicine vs holistic healing
- Pathologizing the human experience
- Functional neuroscience
- Rejection therapy
[2:00] Elyse talks about her early career in a psychiatric emergency room in a public New York City hospital and how leaving that job and her own healing and weaning off a plethora of psychotropic medications led her to a career of helping other people feel amazing from a mind-body-brain lens
[15:00] Elyse and Lisa share their experiences as clinical social workers and clients themselves, practicing in modalities they were trained in and have an awakening that these traditional approaches did not honor clients as mind-body-soul systems
[33:00] Elyse shares specifically what she learned that changed the orientation in which she sees the world and helps her clients heal
[43:00] Elyse reveals the power of not being afraid to fail and what it unlocked in her life
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Lisa sits down with Laura, an Out of the Cave Podcast listener who’s life and mind-body-soul system was turned upside down after an accident. Laura details the road in which being hit by a drunk drunk driver led her out of the cave and into a life of recovery.
Topics:
- Grief and loss in childhood and the impact on the family system
- Dieting beginning in childhood and continuing for decades
- Toxic diet and fitness culture of the 80s
- Linking chronic pain and our relationship with food and body image
[6:30] Laura tells her story of how she went from being a physical therapist who believed she had a solid understanding of the body, to her whole mind-body system being turned upside down after a serious car accident involving a drunk driver, to fighting a battle to heal her chronic pain and mental health, and how it all ultimately led her to realizations about food and eating and Out of the Cave
[12:30] Laura talks about her early relationship to food, eating, and body image and growing up bigger and taller than the other kids and the impact of her losing her father at 8 years old
[27:00] Laura talks about getting on the “anti-diet bandwagon” after dieting on and off for decades and where both she and Lisa believes it’s lacking
[32:00] Laura reflects on pregnancy and motherhood and its effect on her relationship with food and eating and when her daughter got older Laura is ready to focus on herself and then is in a horrible car accident
[40:00] Laura finds Curable and finds initial success and explains why and how she dove so much deeper into “the work” and how she came to link her chronic pain to her relationship with food, eating, and body image
[1:00:00] Laura talks about living in the gray, the ongoing process of healing, and embodying acceptance
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Lisa sits down with hypnotherapist, Lynnsey Robinson, who helps people rewire their mind to overcome limiting beliefs and believe what they want to believe.
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- Limiting Beliefs
- Expansive vs contracting fear
- Shaping the metaphysical mind
- Hypnotherapy
- Self Love
[8:30] Lynnsey shares the wild story that led to her path of hypnotherapy
[26:30] Lynnsey reflects on her spiritual background starting in childhood, not connecting with her religious upbringing
[35:30] Lynnsey explains how the parts of the metaphysical mind, how it develops and is conditioned, and how we process information and accessing the subconscious mind through hypnotherapy to achieve your goals
[51:30] Lynssey gives her opinion, ideas, and tips for self hypnosis
[1:11:00] Lynssey addresses myths surrounding hypnosis
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Lisa sits down with group alum Phoebe, who unlike most OOTC-ers never identified as an emotional eater nor restrictive dieter, but came to the work battling intense anxiety and body image issues.
Topics Include:
- Anxiety beginning in childhood
- Early body image messages
- Self Injury
- Living a life in recovery
[8:30] Phoebe recalls her childhood anxiety and having body image challenges very early, hitting puberty early, and being very tall
[20:30] Phoebe delves further into what she went through mentally and physically during puberty and being a young athlete and her history of self injury
[40:00] Phoebe recounts what she went through as a high school freshman in a relationship with a senior and the impact that had on subsequent relationships
[45:00] Phoebe talks about being a college athlete with crippling social anxiety who didn’t drink because her boyfriend didn’t want her to
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Lisa answers listener questions.
Topics Include:
- The intersection of diet and chronic pain
- Dealing with weight gain due to recovery
- Childhood obesity and the ACE study
[4:00] Q1: Listener begins by providing background about being bigger than the other women in her family and that feeling unacceptable growing up. She goes on to describe chronic pain symptoms that were quelled by an extremely restrictive diet protocol prescribed by medical providers, which led to weight loss and a sense of pride and belonging. Now she is trying to expand her diet and feel safe around a wider variety of food, while dealing with subsequent weight gain and fear around that. Listener asks Lisa for feedback and insight.
[30:00] Q2: Lisa is asked to speak to the American Association of Pediatrics guidelines that suggest medication and surgery may be appropriate for some obese children depending on age
[51:00] Lisa provides final thoughts and explains what it means to turn towards versus turning away from what is hard, painful, etc.
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Lisa sits down with best-selling author, transformational facilitator, podcaster, and blogger, Kelsey Aida to talk about what it means to embody radical self-love.
- Healing the emotional body
- Eliminating unnecessary suffering
- Facing ALL feelings
- Compassionate Inquiry
- Parts Work
[5:30] Kelsey describes her first spiritual awakening and dark night of the soul and how that launched her into her purpose
[10:40] Kelsey describes her depressive episode and shares how she healed her emotional body
[20:00] The healing power of being brave enough to feel your own emotions and outlines how to live your best life
[32:00] Kelsey talks about how she helps her clients release resistance and not be ruled by fear and the importance of embodying authenticity
[50:00] Being resistant to the “good stuff” and befriending your anxiety and embracing all your parts
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Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, Jamie, to talk about her experience growing up as a kid who was bigger than the others and who went on to numb, run, disassociate, and self-soothe with food, alcohol, and sex, and what life is like now, out of the cave.
Topics:
- Growing up chubby
- Using food, alcohol, sex, all the things to self-soothe
- Practicing non-judgment and choosing love over fear
[3:10] Jamie looks back on her early memories around food and body image and being bigger than the other kids and the majors changes in her young life that led her to eat to feel better
[16:00] Jamie reflects on puberty and the impact identifying herself as “fat” perpetuated her use of food and then the impact having her first boyfriend had on her relationship with food
[27:00] Jamie goes to college and diets and exercises and gets lots of male attention and her complicated relationship with alcohol begins and impacts her academic experience
[32:00] Jamie faces unspeakable tragedy and continues to yo-yo diet through her 20s and her struggles with both alcohol and food collide
[48:00] Jamie's weight continues to climb as she tries counteract her emotional eating with diets and working out in hopes of belonging, and then identifies herself as an emotional eater and looks at her relationship with alcohol during the height of Covid
[58:00] Jamie shares the cosmic shifts she has experienced since going through group coaching
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Lisa sits down with group coaching alum Theresa for a live coaching session about maintaining a life of recovery.
Topics:
- Disordered behaviors versus thoughts
- Grieving option 3
- Maintaining recovery
- Presence
[5:00] Theresa shares that she has stopped behaviors that caused her seek out help through the group coaching program, and reveals her current pain point
[16:00] Theresa explains her inner dialogue when she catches a herself having thought about “needing” to change her body
[30:00] Lisa and Theresa talk about using personification of thoughts as a coping skill
[35:00] Theresa remembers a story where she called on the spiritual part of herself that is not caught up in the thoughts, beliefs, stories and even the functions of the human body
[45:00] Lisa shares her path and story about early eating disorder recovery
[55:00] Theresa talks about her thoughts and behaviors after receiving chocolate covered strawberries as a gift
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Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, Theresa, as she bravely shares her life story and the ways in which eating and dieting are interwoven in the highest and lowest points.
Topics Include:
- Moral value and rigid restrictions being put on food during childhood
- Being a parentified child
- Shame after the diet “fails”
- Finding comfort and control in both food and dieting
[5:00] Theresa reflects on her earliest memories around food, eating, and body image and when things went from “normal” to more difficult and describes the rules that were imposed on what was and wasn’t allowed when it came to food
[13:00] Theresa remembers family members worrying that she was getting fat during early puberty and put on her first diet
[18:30] Theresa reflects on getting her first job and having money for the first time and how that impacted her relationship with food and experiences a dichotomy of thrill and intense guilt and what it meant to be in high school believing she was fat
[29:30] Theresa opens up about her relationship with her mom and how Theresa’s brother’s death affected the family dynamic and shares how she went on a wildly expensive and restrictive diet as a gift to herself post high school graduation
[35:00] Theresa shares the roll food and body image played in her first romantic relationship and subsequent break up
[42:00] Theresa gets pregnant by her cheating boyfriend and has her first daughter at 23 years old, falls in love with her new role, and gains a lot of weight, and does a diet and finds her baby a dad, moves across the country to run from her daughter’s biological father, and again, gains a lot weight
[49:00] Theresa has two more children, continues to struggle with her weight, finds a church and joins OA and finds community, was very poor and manages to always put on the food table
[50:00] Theresa is changed by a Book called “Women, Food, and God,” joins a book club, and learns and engages with intuitive eating and loses 50 pounds and learns her mother is dying from cancer and moves across the country to be close to Theresa and explains how that affected her relationship with food and eating
[59:00] Covid hits, and Theresa begins excessively checking her sugar and goes back to dieting and eventually is put on a protocol by a functional medicine doctor
[1:07] Theresa finds Lisa through Nicole Sach’s podcast and binges the OOTC podcast
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Lisa sits down, again, with Jenny Campbell, this time to access her knowledge as an enneagram teacher to dive into the types, and Lisa has a live session with Jenny!
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- How to type yourself
- The nine enneagram personality types defined
[1:50] Jenny defines the enneagram and talks about her introduction to the enneagram when she reunited with her birth mother, and how she began training with author’s of enneagram books
[15:00] Jenny goes through the nine types and explains their real quality and false quality
[37:00] Jenny shares what she recommends do’s and don’ts for people who want to learn more about their enneagram personality
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Lisa sits down with Jenny, former group coaching client and enneagram teacher, to talk about recovery from dieting addiction.
Topics:
- Body Image
- Dieting Addiction
- The Middle Place between Diet Culture and Anti-Diet Culture
- Our Bodies Becoming What They Are
[5:00] Jenny recalls her earliest memories regarding food, eating, and body image
[19:00] Jenny talks about the bullying she incurred from around ages 10 to 15
[25:30] Jenny remembers when food, eating, body image became an “issue” for her
[28:00] Jenny gains weight her freshman year of college and shares about how she approached losing that weight that marked the beginning of her struggle with yo-yo dieting
[35:00] Jenny reflects on her dieting addiction and shares when things began to shift as she slipped from diet culture into wellness culture and then found herself experiencing chronic pain
[43:00] Jenny talks about diving into anti-diet culture and unpacks her fatphobia and goes on the “Fuck It” Diet and gains 25 pounds, and talks about her difficult and conflicting internal dialogue
[50:00] Jenny looks back on coming to Lisa hoping to work on the anguish she was experiencing around her identity and her body image and talks about where she is now
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In this solo episode, Lisa answers listener questions surrounding her 150 pound weight loss.
Topics Include:
- Big T vs little t trauma
- Dieting into disordered eating
- A discussion on “Loving your body”
- Being objectified after weight loss
- Creating an internal environment of safety or danger
[5:00] “I heard you talk about your weight loss as trauma, and I would like you to explain that more. From the outside looking in we see the before and after body that we are secretly, or not so secretly, looking for. It really hit me different to hear you say, ‘The way I did weight loss was trauma.’”
[27:00] “Is it actually easier to love your body after your weight loss?”
[40:00] “Events on our calendar to motivate us to meet our goals, whether it’s a wedding, a hike, anything to put in the time daily, how does that work in the brain? Happy and safe?”
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Lisa interviews her personal trainer, Jess and together they discuss choosing a life of recovery from disordered eating.
Topics Include:
- Restrictive and disordered behaviors around food
- The importance of telling our stories
- Your body being linked to your job
- Pandemic weight gain and feeling safe
[5:10] Jess talks about early childhood in early 90s as it relates to food, eating, exercise, body image, fatphobia, and the diet culture of the time
[13:00] Jess remembers the effect of coming of age and puberty as someone who was constantly praised for being thin and petite
[17:00] Jess discusses the effect of going vegan, saying it was for the earth, but really wanting to have some control, and she consequently loses weight and marks this as the beginning of her struggle with food
[21:00] Jess is hospitalized and seeks medical treatment as a direct consequence of extreme restriction after a break up in college where her GI issues were address
[24:00] Jess has a coach who gets her weight lifting and opens a whole new world
[35:00] Jess talks about how she just “kept going” without really addressing her eating issues in a meaningful way and begins her personal training career
[45:00] Lisa and Jess discuss living in recovery
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Lisa sits down with group alum, Rachel to talk about childhood trauma and it’s affect on our relationship to food, eating, and our bodies.Topics Include:Sneaking and hiding food in childhoodFood, eating, and body image issues going unnoticed when our body appears “normal”Food traumaAnxiety and depression[2:30] Rachel reflects on early memories she received about food, eating, and body image and how the rules and restrictions put on dessert affected her [11:45] Rachel remembers the challenges that came along with puberty as her body and mind changed, and some trauma she endured that affected her relationship with eating[25:00] Rachel joins the marching band in high school and learns to lose weight and continued to restrict and control her body size through her high school years because of the intense fear of not fitting in[38:00] Rachel recalls gaining ten pounds and the “dark path” she struggled on starting at the earliest parts of her college experience[45:00] Rachel shares how things got better and then got worse in regards to food and eating after college and ultimately to reconnecting to her sorority pledge master, Lisa Schlosberg through Instagram[54:00] Rachel talks about her transformational experience in group coachingLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Register for Group Coaching! - Join the waitlist for May 2023 Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comBecome a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls MonthlyOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10SocialsInstagramFacebookYouTube
Lisa sits down with coach, Melissa K Byers to talk about what it looks like to lead while healing, as Melissa gets honest and vulnerable about her history with binging disordered eating and how she copes to this day.
Topics:
- Bulimia
- Holding space and having support
- Dissociation
- Healing through somatics and restorative yoga
[5:00] Melissa explains what is it means to “clean up the bloodline,” and healing generational trauma
[7:00] Melissa talks about what pulled her toward Lisa’s work and Out of the Cave and what it means to lead while still having her own work to do
[14:00] Melissa recalls how and when food and eating became disordered and her experience with Bulimia, and how she copes when temptations to fall back to those behaviors creep up in her life today
[28:00] Melissa thinks back to the first time she binged and purged and how it became a 3 year addiction and the lack of support she received when she was “found out”
[36:00] Melissa reflects on the “why,” of how for a time, binging and purging was a solution that made sense to her
[44:00] Melissa talks about her 2023 intention being to invest in therapy and being numb during the three years she was in an active eating disorder and processes what it was like for her to be “found out”
[54:00] Melissa shares how getting educated as a social worker gave her the space and support to start healing
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Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, and fan favorite podcast guest, Kate to discuss the role of exercise from a place of love and deep self respect, and what movement, exercise, and fitness can teach us about the human experience.
Topics:
- Living a lifestyle of recovery
- Exercising not for weight loss
- Messy action
- Using exercise to stay present in your human experience
[7:25] Kate describes a chaotic morning where life got life-y and how she was reminded she has to show up for herself every single day
[9:15] Kate reflects on her earliest relationship with exercise and follows the thread from childhood to adulthood
[15:00] Kate tells the story of coming out the cave and into a HIIT group fitness class and what messy action looked like for her as she exercised from a place of love and respect for her body
[25:00] Kate shares the roll working out plays in her life today and the community she’s built because of exercise
[30:00] Lisa talks about tracking your workout progress in a way that honors the way our bodies get faster and stronger and is not used as a tool to judge ourselves from a place of fear
[40:00] Lisa and Kate talk about the release and the therapeutic experience that high intensity exercise provides and also how it is a tool that teaches us to tolerate discomfort
[55:00] Kate reflects on how 14 week group coaching impacted her relationship to exercise and ultimately her relationship to self
[1:00:00] Kate and Lisa discuss being mindful about choosing to zone out
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Group coaching graduate, D, sits down with Lisa to talk about what has been like to navigate life as a highly sensitive person in a pointy world, what it means to figure out who you really are apart from your titles and roles, and coming to a place where it feels safe to live a true and authentic life.
Topics:
- Being soft in a pointy world
- Abandoning your authentic self to belong
- Substance use
- Adjusting to motherhood
- The fear of being fat
- Binging and over exercise
[2:20] D talks about learning to identify herself from the inside out by doing the work in group coaching and discusses why she chose not to identify herself as a licensed marriage and family therapist while she was a member
[11:00] D recalls the early messages she received about being a deep, sensitive, intuitive, empathic being raised in Los Angeles in the 70s and 80s and how she coped as a little girl
[15:00] D reflects the culture of food in her Jewish home how was a love language for her Bubby, while her mom was what they called a “health nut”
[19:00] D remembers the demand for girls to be pretty (and therefore skinny) and her earliest memories of hearing women speak ill of each other’s bodies
[24:00] D discloses when food, eating, and body image really started coming to her consciousness and how her middle school classmates had a rating system for girls’ bodies and faces, and how she abandoned so much of herself to fit in and belong
[32:00] D talks about how pregnancy and motherhood brought food and eating issues to the forefront and what that looked like for her
[43:00] D reflects on the feelings surrounding her second go at weight loss when her second child was 10 years old and how she ultimately came to recovery
[56:00] D shares about her experience in 14 Week Group Coaching, coming in as a student and treating it as an intensive outpatient program
[1:10:00] D talks about life since completing the program and what has really stuck with her and shares this quote from Rupi Kaur, “it was when I stopped searching for home within others and lifted the foundations of home within myself I found there were no roots more intimate than those between a mind and body that have decided to be whole.”
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Lisa sits down with former personal training client, Personal Development Coach, Payal Mehta, and together they explore what it means to live an authentic life out of the cave, despite strong handed, cultural narratives about what, who, and how we should be.
Topics Include:
- Cultural influence on our body image
- Anxiety and the physical experience of emotions
- Moms prioritizing themselves
- Defining holistic health
- Living authentically
[4:30] Payal recalls her early relationship to food, eating, and her body and when she began to feel self-conscious and the emphasis that was put on being thin in her Indian culture, on top of American diet culture
[9:20] Payal explores the idea of “feeling fat” and looks back on her engaging diet culture when she really didn’t have weight to lose because that’s what she was “suppose” to do
[20:00] Lisa and Payal discuss the physical manifestation of emotions and riding the wave when big emotions come to visit
[30:30] Payal explains how coming out of the cave has affected her parenting
[40:00] Payal tells the story of how she came to hire Lisa and her own perception of body size, exercise, and weight loss then and now
[50:00] Lisa defines health and safety and Payal explains what choosing authenticity over attachment looks like in her life
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In the most vulnerable episode yet, Lisa opens up about how she in not different than any person her to turns to her for guidance and leadership, gets specific about how and where in life she is experiencing difficulty and pain, and gives a candid account of losing her baby sister, Rebecca.
- High functioning anxiety and depression
- Grief and loss in early childhood
- Living in recovery
- Practicing non-judgment
[6:00] Lisa shares her experience of high functioning anxiety and how she is beginning to identify with high functioning depression
[11:00] Lisa opens up about an experience she had recently with using magic mushrooms as a tool for healing, guided by Alison Midollo and links it back to a time where she did cellular therapy where feelings about the death of her baby sister surfaced
[19:00] Lisa goes back to being five years old and details the experience the short life and tragic death of her 5 month old sister, Rebecca and how her death taught her to use denial as a coping mechanism
[34:00] Lisa talks about how she learned to cope when she was five years old is showing up tangibly today and where she is at mentally and emotionally while confronting this part of herself
[39:00] Lisa shares a few “day in the life” stories and how she deals with stressors and triggers while choosing a recovery
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Lisa sits down with her long time client, back from her personal training days, Michelle, about awakening to the human experience. Together they take a walk down memory lane reflecting on the earliest teachings of Out of the Cave, before the actual business even existed!
Topics:
- Being a Parentified Child
- Feeling Objectified
- The Physical Manifestation of Feelings
- Coping with Anxiety while “Out of the Cave”
- Radical Responsibility
[4:15] Michelle recalls not really being aware of her early relationship to food, eating, and her body until working with Lisa and coming “out of the cave” and is now able to look at what life was like as a child of the 70s
[8:00] Michelle speaks of the trauma being a tomboy and going through puberty and being treated differently by the boys who were once her best friends
[16:00] Michelle talks about worrying about how she looked in her late teens, early adulthood in context of the 70s and 80s, in the heyday of the supermodel and teen magazines and really not being conscious of the effect of those times til much later
[21:00] Michelle remembers thinking about her body as a problem, and dieting for the first time and doing that for years until meeting Lisa in the gym
[27:30] Michelle looks back and remember meeting Lisa in the gym and their early work together
[38:00] Michelle talks about having anxiety and how it manifested physically for her
[42:00] Michelle shares a powerful experience she had being guided through a meditation by Lisa
[51:00] Michelle tells us how her life looks different now that she has spent years living out of the cave
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The Out of the Cave Podcast turns one! Listen in to the recording of our first very first Live Q&A.
Topics Include:
- Mindful Distraction vs Destructive Distraction
- Finding your power to create aligned habits
- Boundaries surrounding our own bodies and weight loss vs the opinions of others
- Taking responsibility for our triggers
- Shame as survival mechanism/trauma response
[1:00] Q1 Do you ever have days where you say, “I don’t want to feel today?” and what do you do when you’re tired of feeling?
[7:30] Q2 A meal ends, but scrolling social media is forever and that’s my struggle. Any advice?
[16:00] Q3 How do you respond to the statement, “All weight loss is fatphobic?” How does your message align or not align with something like the body positivity movement or fat liberation?
[35:00] Q4 I have a presence on social media and am pursuing intentional weight loss. Other people’s opinions about that and my body feel like a sabertooth tiger. What are your thoughts?
[43:00] Q5 I struggle with boundaries and self judgment and I take on the critical opinions of others and have a hard time separating them from my own thoughts and it gets really confusing. Can you speak to that?
[59:00] A discussion about repetition and reinforcement to rewire our brains and keep our beliefs strong
[1:00:00] Veteran group member talks about the changes in her life after marinating in this work for about a year
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Today’s episode is the first of its kind on the OOTC pod! Abby is a group coaching alumni who came in to do a one on one session to go deeper into some areas where she was still struggling. When we discovered how poignant the questions and topics she was bringing up were, we decided to hit record and let it happen so that you could experience this uncut conversation in real time with us.
Topics include:
[1:03] Diet police and anti-diet police. Not everything you do is a disorder. Allowing yourself to not eat foods that are triggers for you without turning it into a restrictive mindset. Understanding that everyone has a different experience and everyone is going to have different triggers and different roads to recovery.
[11:45] Learning to trust your body and your brain to make decisions for yourself, respecting and upholding our inner knowing. Finding safety around food in different ways. Feeling addicted versus forming healthy relationships around people, activities, and foods - avoiding extremes.
[21:07] Allowing yourself to find what works for you, rather than succumbing to the lies of both diet and anti-diet culture that ‘just doing it this way will work!’ Being the expert on your own body.
[29:01] Fears around losing weight, people’s reactions to you losing weight and the attention that often comes with that. Emotion and action, letting your brain learn unSAFE versus unCOMFORTABLE.
[38:19] Themes of recent conversations around body changes in puberty and the unpleasant attention that invited from friends, family, and strangers. The assumption that everyone is trying to lose weight. The importance of finding community, being understood, and being seen.
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Lisa sits with long-time, one-on-one, client Out of the Cave client, Elisa. They dive deep into a conversation surrounding how the work inside Out of the Cave heals us beyond our relationship with food, eating and body image.
Topics:
- The raise in consciousness around food, eating, and body image
- Diets working until they don’t
- Facing the reality of motherhood and family life
- The spiritual component of coming “out of the cave”
- “The work” moving way beyond food, eating, and body image
- Intentional weight loss
[2:30] Elisa talks about her lack of memories around her early relationship with food, eating, and her body and then watching her single mom struggle with her own body image and diet
[6:30] Elisa remembers how puberty brought the first self-conscious thoughts about her own body and comparing her body to her peers’
[10:30] Elisa recalls the events that made her realize what she does affects her body, before she never really gave much thought to food and exercise, and how her relationship with exercise began in an attempts to be as thin as possible for her wedding
[16:30] Elisa talks about being pregnant with twins and then becoming pregnant again 10 months later and that being when she began dieting and how she struggled around food and exercise for about 7 years
[25:00] Elisa steadily gains weight as she struggle to “get back on the wagon,” simultaneously, she struggles to be the mom she wants to be, finds it difficult to connect her marriage, and begins questioning if this is what she really wanted for her life, and then finds Out of the Cave through Nicole Sachs and her husband’s journey with chronic pain
[38:00] Elisa explains how food, body image, and the belief “in this work” brought her to Lisa and talks about their early one-on-one relationship
[45:00] Elisa talks about what living life “Out of the Cave” has looked like for her now that she has been doing the work and has been a client for years now and how parenting has changed so much for her
[50:00] Elisa shares how she is ready for intentional weight loss and the energy shift compared to past weight loss efforts, being in a place of self-love over fear
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Lisa sits down and talks to intuitive habit coach, Heather Javier, about advocating for yourself, managing your time, and stacking the cards in your favor to create habits that support how you want to feel and the person you want to be.
Topics Include
- What it means to be about
- What it means to be heart happy
- Boundaries and support
- Eating habits
- Owning your time
[3:00] Heather introduces herself and explains how struggles in early motherhood led her to where she is today
[10:00] Lisa and Heather dive deeper into the idea of truly holding space
[20:00] Heather shares the framework she uses to work with her coaching clients
[23:00] Prioritizing boundaries to create alignment
[30:00] Creating habits around the question, “How do you want to feel?”
[40:00] Heather talks about the biggest obstacles to creating habits and walks the listeners through the client experience
[54:00] Heather explains the concept intentionally creating obstacles and creating check points
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Lisa continues answering listener questions surrounding the intentional weight loss series and speaks about the Minnesota Starvation Study.
Topics Include:
- Radical Responsibility
- Trusting your lived experience
- Embodying your body as it is
- Surrender
[2:30] Question 1 When pursuing intentional weight loss, what are some things to watch out for to make sure the process is staying in an aligned, holistically healthy place?
[20:00] Question 2 Do I have to set an end goal?
[36:00] Question 3 What would you (Lisa) do if you had 150 pounds to lose?
[51:00] Lisa shares her thoughts about the Minnesota Starvation Study and how it comes up around conversations around intentional weight loss (Read More Here)
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Lisa answers listener questions in response to the three part Intentional Weight Loss series.
Topics:
- Emotional Sobriety
- Emotional Solutions
- Establishing an inner environment of safety
- Staying in your lane
- Authenticity over attachment
[3:00] Lisa speaks to the “levels” she outlines in Module 1 in the Out of the Cave 14 Week Group Coaching Program and how we must stabilize in our relationship with food first
[15:00] Question 1: How do I know when I am ‘stable’ [in my relationship with food and eating] and am able to move ‘to the next level?’
[21:30] Question 2: You say we need emotional solutions to emotional problems? What are some emotional solutions?
[37:00] Question 3: How do you track without tracking?
[49:30] Question 4: Why does calorie counting fall into the “wrong” kind of dieting?
[58:00] Question 5: How do I integrate intentional weight loss with a partner who thinks you’re doing it wrong (too much or not enough)?
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Lisa deepens the conversation on intentional weight loss and talks about the reality about what must be done on the physical level and how to make the process safe on a mental, emotional, spiritual level.
Topics Include:
- Behavior Modification
- Feeling safe around foods that were black listed by diet culture
- The energy around your intentional weight loss “plan”
- Your window of tolerance
[2:00] Lisa explains, Nicole Sach’s concept of “Option 3,” and life being a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse as it applies to her own experience of being 300 pounds and her subsequent weight loss
[18:00] Lisa talks about the emotional charge around changing behaviors and facing objective facts in order to intentionally lose weight and the VITAL practice of showing up
[40:00] Lisa recalls her decadent lifestyle in a recent trip to Italy and how and why she felt safe around foods like pizza and pasta, etc
[45:00] Being honest of what you have to do and it what it means (and doesn’t mean) to intentionally lose weight
[54:00] Your conscious input and attachment to the idea of losing weight
[58:00] How to meet yourself where you are when beginning weight loss
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Lisa continues the conversation about intentional weight loss in this solo episode.
Topics Include:
- Challenging conditioned belief systems
- Embracing your power with aligned intention
- Trauma around past weight loss/diets
- The “How to” of intentional weight loss in a way that is not dieting
- Bioindividuality
[3:00] Lisa discusses flaws she sees in a popular belief surrounding weight loss and how to move forward by releasing those beliefs
[10:30] Lisa reads “Our Deepest Fear,” by Marianne Williamson and relates it back to the conversation at hand
[15:00] Fear of failure and fear of success when it comes to weight loss
[19:00] Lisa outlines the role of conscious input in pursuing intentional weight loss without it being a diet
[29:00] Letting go of the idea of being “done,” and being present in your mind-body experience
[37:00] Lisa explains “Option 3” and why we can’t believe in option 3 while pursuing intentional weight loss in a way that works, feels good, or is aligned with the truth
[46:30] The Paradoxical Theory of Change
[58:00] Lisa talks about what the three main ways we wind up gaining weight in the first place and using that information to inform how to go about intentionally losing weight
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Lisa and Alé sit down to talk about what it looks like to pursue weight loss “the Out of the Cave way,” without dieting and from a place of safety and acceptance.
Topics Include:
- Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
- Health = Physical, Mental, Emotional, Environmental, Social, and Spiritual Health
- Your Own Conscious Input
- Radical Acceptance
[6:00] Alé shares the difficulties she encountered during the “fourth trimester,” and her decision to pursue intentional weight loss
[11:30] Lisa and Alé discuss the role of safety as the foundation in pursuing intentional weight loss in a way that is not a diet
[18:30] Lisa defines conscious input and creating an environment of internal safety
[29:00] What it means to accept your body
[34:00] Lisa speaks about denial as a coping mechanism in her own personal story
[50:00] Lisa and Alé discuss what intentional weight loss looks like without being on a diet
Related Episodes/Resources:
Division of Responsibility Episode: Healing Our Relationship to Food, Eating, and Body Image: The "How To" (Part 1)
Alé’s Story: From Diet Culture to Anti-Diet Culture to Out of the Cave with Alé Cardinalle, MSW
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Lisa sits down with her own former coach, Kristi, who specializes in helping female CEOs rebalance their lives. Kristi shares how her mindset around her autoimmune disease realigned her life. Lisa gets honest about an area of life she struggled to balance after taking control of her relationship with food, eating, and her body and building a successful business.
Topics Include:
- Abandoning a life where you have to prove
- Seeing a diagnosis as an opportunity to connect with self
- Attachment versus Authenticity
- True Safety vs Conditional Safety
[4:00] Kristi recalls how it felt to grow up in a “health conscious” home and how it impacted her relationship with food even though her parents brought food into the house for its health benefits
[7:30] Kristi remembers having a balanced relationship with food until the age of fifteen, when she was a competitive dancer, desperate to fit in and be thin
[9:00] Kristi is diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and changes her diet and loses a significant amount of weight, and begins to live in alignment with her mind, body, and the vision she had her for her life
[22:00] Kristi shares what her lifestyle is like about ten years after her diagnosis and gives advice to the listeners who may be dealing with obstacles
[32:00] Kristi explains a bit about her unusual upbringing, how she came to be a coach, and her thoughts on asking for help
[39:00] Lisa reveals the struggle that inspired her to hire Kristi for coaching
[50:00] Lisa and Kristi speak to the concept of creating internal safety
[1:10:00] Kristi leaves the listeners with an inspiring message about hope and possibility
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Lisa speaks with group coaching alum, Abby. Abby reflects on how normalized and unquestioned toxic fitness and diet culture was in the 80s and 90s, as well as the mental impact of constantly feeling like a failure when the newest plan, diet, or program didn’t end her struggles around food and eating for good. She shares how she used food emotionally and her experience swinging from diet culture to anti-diet culture, to ultimately landing in Out of the Cave’s 14 week group coaching program.
Topics Include:
- Toxic diet and fitness culture of the 80s and 90s
- The mental and emotional impact of years of dieting
- Dieting addiction and the excitement around making a new “plan,” and believing this time it will be different
- Going from diet culture, to anti-diet culture, to Out of the Cave
- Anxiety, guilt, and shame around parenting
- The power of being present
[3:00] Abby recalls dieting with her mother at around 8 years old, after finding comfort in food, while her parents worked through their contentious on and off again relationship, being a plus sized child, and 80s diet culture
[11:30] Abby talks about feeling guilt and shame about food and her body and even so, didn’t believe she “had a problem,” but, in fact, she was the problem
[20:00] Abby reflects on the emotional experience of always dieting and giving so much attention to her size during all her school age years
[30:00] Abby moves to New Orleans, takes a stressful job, and indulges in the drinking and food scene, and for the first time in her life put on a significant amount of weight and begins trying to out diet her emotional eating
[36:00] Abby is diagnosed with Psuedotumor Cerebri (a pseudo brain tumor) and is prescribed weight loss
[40:00] Abby starts to become aware of emotional eating and her weight continues to yo-yo during her 20s and 30s, loses her home and job during Hurricane Katrina, and divorces her first husband
[45:00] Abby has two children and for the first time dieting wasn’t working, not even short term, and in her frustration finds the anti-diet movement and also winds up “failing” and believing something is wrong with her
[56:00] Abby finds Lisa and joins Out of the Cave group coaching and learns that unlike both diet culture and anti-diet, there is no promise to ever be “done”
[1:00:00] Abby reflects on her experience during her 14 weeks group coaching and shares how her biggest changes came after graduation, and how the work expanded so much further than food, eating, and body image
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This week, Nate chats with Nate. Nate is an Out of the Cave group coaching alum, who is affectionately known as half of “Nelly,” as he and his wife, Kelly, went through the 14 week program together. Nate dreamed and planned very seriously to be an astronaut and fly fighter jets as a child, and recounts how that dream falling apart led to fifteen years of yo-yo dieting.
Topics include:
- Using food and eating for comfort early on
- Feeling disconnected to our own bodies
- Swinging the pendulum from diet-culture to anti-diet culture to Out of the Cave
- Using emotional solutions for emotional issues
- Approaching our messy humanness with curiosity
- Connecting with the inner child
[2:45] Nate recalls his early memories after his parents divorce, living with a single parent as an only childhood, self-esteem issues, being in counseling as a child, spending a lot of time on his own, learning to cook from watching Emeril, and how as a child he was able to eat intuitively and food and eating wasn’t an issue, but recalls early habits would go on to affect his habits around food later– all while feeling the pressure to be the “perfect kid”
[17:00] Nate is accepted into the Air Force Academy, where he is pushed past his limits in their “break you down to build you up” model, and his life was shattered when he found he not be physically able to be a pilot, and for the first time in his life, he was unsure about his future and faces unhappiness, he slowly starts to gain weight
[20:00] Nate joins a traveling theater company, working backstage and also meets Kelly and begins to gain weight rapidly, as he distracts himself with fun and food
[30:00] Nate attempts to “fix” his weight problem by joining a gym, working with a trainer, and following a meal plan, which was the beginning of his yo-yo-ing dieting, along with Kelly, that would last 15 years
[34:00] Nate works with a doctor and drops a tremendous amount of weight, and gets a job as a commercial airline pilot, within three years he gained all the weight back and then some, and he and his wife find the anti-diet movement and gain around 30 more pounds, and they decided as a couple that there had to be something in the middle
[38:00] Kelly and Nate join group coaching together, and he recalls his early mindset and how he came to the awakening that this is a lifelong process
[45:30] Nate discovers embraces his flawed humanness, learns how to identify and cope with feelings, and explains the origins of his fear of conflict and how he’s worked through that, using the tools he developed during group coaching
[1:00:00] Nate talks about the changes and progress he’s made around food and eating, hunger and fullness, and his mind-body connection after graduating group coaching, and what he is still faces and how he plans to address those obstacles in a way that feels safe
[1:10:00] Practicing self-compassion and letting the journey take time and connecting with the inner-child
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Ivette is a chef and a self-professed food lover, and this relatable episode chronicles her journey of yoyo dieting and breaking the cycle of shame around her body. From a very young age, she knew people were looking at her body and judging her body, so there was a lot of pressure in every area to lose weight and diet. As someone who went through both the private coaching and the group program, Ivette has a lot of wisdom to share about her journey with food and body image.
Topics include:
[2:10] At the age of 7, Ivette was warned away from junk food and overeating as part of her gymnastics training. Her mom went to the gym regularly and was naturally thin, imparting that focus on body image from a young age. Memories of the first time she was weighed on a scale are colored with feelings of intense shame and judgment.
[11:37] The summer before 9th grade brought visits to a dietitian and a strict diet regimen, but the reactions of her classmates upon returning back to school emphasized the idea that weight and weight loss would bring positive attention and compliments.
[21:00] High school and college brought on 20 years of yoyo dieting, during which she got married and had two children, further exacerbating her struggles with weight and body image. Things started to shift when Ivette found John Gabriel and the Gabriel Method, understanding how emotions ruled her relationship with food and eating.
[31:00] Going through the Gabriel Method before turning to Lisa for help understanding the holistic approach to wellness. Realizing that there was a lot more to work on than ‘just the weight problem.’ Allowing yourself to feel your feelings and learn that you’re not ‘too much.’
[39:31] The most valuable lessons in healing her relationship with food. Knowing that you’re okay and you are safe. The power of unlearning - unlearning the societal messages and expectations about our bodies, unlearning the shame and judgment that we experience from ourselves and others.
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Jade experienced some very strong gut reactions to hearing Lisa’s podcast for the first time but was able to work through those feeling to recognize what her brain was trying to tell her about herself. In this unplanned episode, they discuss many of the main tenets of TMS work and how people react to things they aren’t ready to hear.
Topics include:
[3:50] Jade’s history with TMS through the work of Nicole Sachs and Dr. Sarno. Listening to something that makes you really uncomfortable and picking apart that reaction to uncover whether it’s a gut reaction to hearing something that’s so true for yourself.
[13:05] Triggers around the term “weight loss” and the range of perceptions and reactions that can occur when we hear that. The many ways we ignore our bodies and our inner knowing in both diet culture and anti-diet culture.
[22:48] Familiar means safe when it comes to our emotions, and that’s how we get stuck in cycles of fear or anger or shame. “Food is a drug” versus “food can be used like a drug.” The way a minor shift in vocabulary or phrasing can unlock a bigger mental shift.
[33:38] The TMS model of fear versus love and having the power over how we respond to our experiences. Allowing our thoughts and feelings to exist without judgment.
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In this episode, we welcome back the amazing Nicole Sachs to dive deeper into the connections of the mind-body-soul system. A powerhouse in the world of TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome), Nicole has been teaching and leading retreats for years after being mentored by Dr. Sarno himself, who coined the diagnosis after working with many patients suffering from psychosomatic conditions that caused physical symptoms. In addition to her amazing work on her own retreats, Nicole will also be one of our fantastic guest teachers at the upcoming Out of the Cave and Into Your Power retreat in San Diego this September. Find info on how to get your ticket below!
Topics include:
[6:50] The relationship between disordered eating and chronic pain. How our struggles with food and body image relate to chronic pain, TMS, and the mind-body-soul system.
[15:26] The importance of pausing. Becoming more present and conscious in your daily life, moving from desire for change into taking action.
[23:37] An epidemic of fear, not an epidemic of pain. How our body uses pain to distract from the emotions that seem unsafe to feel. How to break that cycle and find freedom.
[34:41] Allowing ourselves to just look at and accept the way our brain reacts to the situations that scare us without letting it control our decisions. Nicole explores her personal experience in the journey to freedom from the struggle with food and body.
[47:51] Trying to manipulate our physical body in order to see a change in our emotional or mental journey, fixating on smallness or flexibility or strength in our physical body in trying to achieve those goals for our psyche.
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As a child of divorce with an alcoholic father and an abusive mother, Amanda used food from an early age to find the comfort that her home life lacked. Chronic back pain eventually became intense enough that she was taking multiple days off in a row from work and led her to discover John Sarno and Nicole Sachs in the world of TMS study and recovery.
Topics include:
[2:39] The first decade or so of Amanda’s life. Realizing as an adult that your childhood wasn’t as “normal” as you thought it was and that you can now see how food became a source of safety and comfort for you.
[9:24] Becoming aware of her body in high school, growing curves, marriage and pregnancy, feeling like she wasn’t good enough as she gained weight over time. Digestive issues led her to attempt various elimination diets to identify the source.
[19:18] Back pain was forcing her to take weeks off from work but her insurance denied a claim for surgery. She discovered Dr. Sarno’s work on TMS and the work of Nicole Sachs and began the long journey of healing herself.
[31:52] Once the back pain was gone, Amanda was ready to work on the accompanying food issues and turned to Lisa. Working one on one as well as in the group, the differences between the two and the biggest lessons she took away from them.
[38:22] Examining your reasons for doing something, identifying predators and fear in your life. Honoring your journey, allowing yourself to be uncomfortable.
[51:33] Expressing yourself through various media, feeling things that are uncomfortable and learning how the brain tries to protect you from that. The magic of community and connection on the healing journey.
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Early ulcers as a child led to a lifelong need to control what Hannah ate. Together with Lisa, she takes us through her journey from developing an eating disorder to relapse, pregnancy, exercise addiction, and a devastating back injury. Chronic pain and the work of Nicole Sachs led her to realize she was still using food to replace her feelings and she began the intense work of finding freedom.
Topics include:
[2:30] A childhood illness and growing up with a sister who modeled were contributors to an early awareness of food and her body. The way we react to our parents/caregivers and their involvement in our upbringing. Embracing and accessing her inner child.
[16:18] Feeling lucky to be thin but knowing that puberty was just around the corner. Eighth grade formal and trying to fit into a dress was the beginning of a 10 year eating disorder. Not getting the reaction she wanted when she finally told her mom.
[28:31] Discovering a flyer for a bulimia study while in college, finding healing through Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. CPT Coach, the app Hannah recommended, can be downloaded at https://mobile.va.gov/app/cpt-coach
[36:53] After falling in love with an ROTC cadet, Hannah moved from Philadelphia PA to Oklahoma to marry him. Wedding preparations prompted a relapse of her eating disorder, but becoming pregnant shortly afterwards was the final motivator she needed to truly commit to making a difference, at least until the baby was born.
[45:37] Exercise became her next addiction, taking an extreme toll on her physical and emotional health. Excessive protein and fiber wrecked her digestive system, and ignoring her body’s limits eventually led to a drastic back injury.
[55:48] Joining the group coaching program and the impact it had on her. The community connection made a huge difference and helped her discover herself more fully. The necessity of addressing spirituality in your relationship with yourself.
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At long last, a highly requested topic is discussed on the Out of the Cave pod! This week Lisa talks about intuitive eating and compares the principles set forth in the book of the same title by Evelyn Tribole and Elyse Resch with the idea of truly intuitive, instinctual eating and understanding of yourself as a spiritual being in a physical body.
Topics include:
[4:06] Belief systems in relation to food and our body. The two different kinds of “intuitive eating” and what it can really mean for you, your body, and your relationship with food. Who it works for and who it doesn’t (and why you are one or the other).
[14:31] The challenge of intuitive eating when it’s not just about getting out of diet culture, it’s about the emotional reliance on and addiction to food. The relationship between overeating and restricting (whether mentally or physically).
[28:29] Feelings and trauma are held inside our body. The importance of creating safety in order to achieve embodiment. Understanding the entanglement of the emotional and the physical.
[34:41] All foods have equal moral value. There is still varying nutritional and neurobiological value, but it’s not about shame vs pride, good vs bad, safety vs danger.
[46:12] Forming realistic expectations around the presence food will have in our life. Digging deeper into the goal that so many people start with that is not wanting to think about food ever.
[54:42] The way intuitive eating needs to be mindful of all the different aspects of our selves. The difference between trusting yourself and knowing yourself.
[1:02:18] Authenticity vs attachment, our true self in all its complicated and emotional glory. Embracing the deeper levels of understanding ourselves. Going deeper than just eating when you’re hungry and stopping when you’re full.
[1:11:36] Outsourcing to your higher self. Letting all the parts of yourself say their piece and then making the decision that aligns with the kind of person you want to be.
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Sherene has been a part of the group coaching program, as well as the alumni aftercare group. Today she shares with us her experience with multiple childhood moves, yo-yo dieting, body dysmorphia, and taking back the power to make decisions in her life.
Topics include:
[4:25] Sherene’s earliest memories about her body, experiencing a growing awareness of her body and shape. Learning how to be a human being and what society’s acceptable standards are. Feeling out of place as a tween following a big move to a rural public school.
[17:14] Becoming more aware of food as a pre-teen and teen. The way other people factor into our relationship with our body. Self-medicating by using food as a numbing agent.
[24:43] Expressing herself through artistic and creative outlets as a teenager but still feeling out of place. Falling in and out of various diets and health fads while watching her mom go through Weight Watchers. The impact body dysmorphia and perception has on what we experience as reality.
[33:45] Canceling plans and making choices based on how she felt about her body. The way that our brains tell us we can’t do something and takes away our power to make a choice based on what feels safe or unsafe. The difference between uncomfortable and unsafe and the ongoing daily practice of conscious awareness.
[41:53] Making the decision in her 40s to be more aware of how she feels and embrace the holistic mind-body-soul system. Asking ourselves how we really want our lives to be and beginning to move toward making that a reality.
[49:02] Looking for a spiritual solution, an initial interest in the Gabriel Method, and finding Lisa. Realizing that a diet wasn’t what she needed, it was a full holistic overhaul. Finding safety in the OOTC community, growing on every group call, and allowing herself to be more open.
[1:04:09] Sherene’s biggest takeaways from being in group. Being aware and allowing, letting go of our resistance to reality.
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Ilona found Lisa through the Omega Institute and was so inspired by her journey that she joined the Out of the Cave team after going through group coaching! Today she shares her experience of growing up feeling completely disconnected and dissociated from her body as a result of trauma. Ilona and Lisa discuss when weight loss feels unsafe, the impact of trauma in our relationships with food and our bodies, and allowing yourself to speak your truth.
Topics include:
[5:40] Food as comfort from a very young age. Going with her mom to Weight Watchers around 7 or 8, personal perceptions of weight versus looking back at pictures with a more realistic mindset. Growing into a hyperawareness of body image during the normal changes that come with puberty and adolescence. “Fat is safe” as a response to trauma.
[13:29] “This is my body and we’re not friends.” Weight loss felt unsafe when it did occur, such as experiencing unwanted attention from a male coworker. Living in your head instead of living in your body - that sense of disconnect and dissociation from your physical self.
[22:40] The impact of trauma on our relationships with our selves and our bodies. Dissociating as a form of self protection.
[27:46] Discovering John Gabriel and the Gabriel Method, eventually leading her to connect with Lisa. Coming home fired up and ready to make the changes and the risk of immediate burnout from making too many changes at once.
[38:22] Joining group coaching, finding connection and support through shared trauma in food. The nerves and anxiety of wanting to share but holding back, concerned about how your authentic self and truth might be received by others. Moving into a space where she could allow herself to dress her body in bright colors and styles she wouldn’t have worn before.
[48:12] Embodiment and connection with others in our journey toward safety. Accepting your current body the way it is. The exhaustion of experiencing emotions and allowing yourself to seek refuge in friendship.
[57:51] Validating your own frustration about a lot of the unhelpful advice about dieting and losing weight from people who don’t understand that it’s not about food. Understanding that it’s about emotional progress, not about the number on the scale or the measurements of your body.
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Jen’s journey began by listening to this very podcast! After going through the group program and aftercare (the alumni group), she’s here on the pod that started it all for her. Jen is a scientist in the field of cancer research, a wife and mom, and she struggled for years with losing and gaining weight until she finally discovered Out of the Cave through a friend. Together, Jen and Lisa discuss the relationship between body, identity, and culture, the journey of allowing and discovering, and how all your relationships change as you do this work.
Topics include:
[6:45] The early years of Jen’s childhood. Grocery shopping with her mom was a bonding activity and she loved cooking, but she and her brother were left on their own while both parents worked which often left them feeling lonely. The difference between ‘innocent’ and ‘harmless.’
[13:19] Struggling with her Filipina identity growing up in America, not looking like a ‘typical’ Filipina. Minimizing herself to avoid attracting the attention of bullies. The relationship between body, identity, and culture. Growing up with judgmental parents who focus on flaws.
[18:24] Age 8-18, food brought her happiness and became a reliable companion. Feeling the pressure to look a certain way to be accepted by her peers.
[23:49] After reaching her highest weight in college in response to the confusion and discomfort of her parents’ separation, Jen spent 16 years on Weight Watchers to try and get her weight under control. Realizing that she was gaining confidence from her boyfriends, from their compliments and their attention.
[33:18] Examining the belief that we exist now as a ‘before’ picture and that once we become the ‘after’ picture, we can stay there. But as human beings, we are in our bodies every day until we die - it doesn’t end or stop, change is a constant in our lives.
[35:44] Discovering the Out of the Cave podcast and connecting to the brain science that filled in the missing pieces from her history with Weight Watchers and therapy. Building an understanding of what actually caring for your whole self looks like, not just your physical self.
[43:07] Lisa’s recollection of Jen’s first emails. Jen’s experiences upon gaining new tools from the podcast and group coaching. The way her relationship with her husband and her kids has changed just from the way she talks to them.
[50:10] The shift in awareness that came about from learning the reason WHY we think, say, and do certain things. Challenging limiting beliefs, recognizing your humanity, meeting your own needs.
[1:02:23] Desiring and manifesting a deeper level of relationships. What it means to be out of the cave as a spiritual being having a physical experience. Making the decision to end the cycle.
[1:08:09] Allowing yourself to be open and truthful and authentic. Learning to put yourself first. Understanding the way everything that came before impacts your present day.
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This week we have former client Monica joining us on the pod! She recently completed the 14 week group coaching program and is here today to share more about internalizing the voices of others and how to heal from that. She and Lisa discuss the importance of having a supportive community while doing this work, as well as building an awareness of when you are perpetuating abuse against yourself.
Topics include:
[2:40] Food and its role in early childhood trauma. The role external figures play in creating our inner voice around food when we aren’t old enough to have authority and autonomy. They’re not our thoughts to begin with but we internalize them and believe that they’re our own.
[11:29] Monica’s decades long journey from experiencing an industrial accident that led her to the work of Nicole Sachs and then to Lisa. How awareness around food and emotions is built gradually, Monica’s fears but internal desperate desire to do something different upon beginning the group coaching program.
[19:12] Changing your reality only comes through action - actively making different choices than you have in the past. Unfamiliarity prompts fear in the brain, but only by moving through that fear can we make the change we want. Fear of sharing and being vulnerable in group was an initial concern but became one of the biggest benefits for Monica.
[27:10] Authenticity over attachment, learning to express your truth rather than live your life according to your perception of what other people want or think. The importance of a healing community to help you practice this. The shift that comes when you become aware of your limiting beliefs.
[39:00] Since going through the group program, one of Monica’s biggest life shifts has been living in eating regularly, after learning about atypical anorexia. Prioritizing overall wellness rather than focusing only on how much or how little you eat.
[50:09] Building an awareness of when you are perpetuating abuse against yourself. Taking back the power to set the course for our own lives.
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THANK YOU to every single person who took the time to listen to last week’s pod. We received more feedback than ever before, and your texts, emails, comments, and DMs made a huge impression. Sometimes the most important thing is just knowing that you’re not alone, and that your struggle is echoed by so many others around the world. Thank you so much for all your support and kindness, and I hope that you also feel all of the love that our community is putting out into the world. ❤️
Today Lisa continues the conversation about relapse and recovery and shares the moments in her life that taught her the greatest lessons.
Topics include:
[6:34] Turning 25 the month after Lisa’s dad passed and how she learned to survive without him. How one moment showed her that she could survive feeling so much emotion that she thought she would die.
[17:00] Working with similar deep emotion and trauma with another coach. The way her body tried to distract her from the feelings by being physically cold, and how accepting that physical sensation opened up the emotional sensations.
[23:30] How do we not get distracted by body image or weight gain or food when the emotional issue is the true source? Recognizing what your body or mind needs in order to express and release the emotions you’re holding onto.
[31:05] Getting to the root of our conditioning - feeling happy or feeling comfortable allllll the time is not a realistic expectation for ourselves and it’s not what life is like. Getting into our bodies and into stillness to understand what those feelings are trying to tell us.
[41:00] Even as a child, Lisa didn’t feel like an emotional eater - eating in response to feeling emotions. Her emotional eating was preemptive, helping her ignore that the feelings were happening at all. This can be food, work, exercise, anything that we can focus on that isn’t our emotions.
[45:23] The “did do” vs “didn’t do” list. The temptation to return to old habits and disordered eating.
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After a recent upheaval in her life, Lisa experienced a relapse in her relationship with food, dealing with emotions by eating and feeling like she needed food to survive. Despite the intense shame and fear, she was able to use years of doing the work to help herself out of it, but it wasn’t easy. Alé Cardinalle returns to the podcast to interview Lisa about these recent changes in her life, how to deal with intense emotions and fear, and what relapse actually means. Together they connect the lessons from several past episodes to create a fuller picture of what living with disordered eating and struggles with food actually means.
Topics include:
[4:50] Life changes and upheaval contributing to a relapse of old fears and ways of thinking, using food as an emotional survival tool.
[13:30] Experiencing fear of ‘will it be like this forever’ alongside the desire to give yourself grace and understand that some days are more difficult than others. Allowing yourself to feel the fear but not believe what it’s telling you.
[21:56] Not making meaning out of the thoughts and feelings you experience. What to do when feeling shame even after years of doing the work, because that’s what our brains think we’re supposed to do.
[34:26] Reminding ourselves that the end goal is not to be a certain way all the time, because that’s just not realistic. When emotion interferes with intuitive eating, self compassion vs. fear.
[44:24] When you’re not eating food to taste it, you’re eating as a way of escaping your experience. So how do you stop and realign? How spiritual fitness fits into recovery and resilience during recovery.
[59:37] Fear vs. truth, feeling scared that the cycle would begin again and it would last the rest of her life this time, but simultaneously knowing that it wouldn’t be easy forever. What if this IS the most afraid you’ve ever been?
[1:07:24] The beginning of coming out of the relapse, talking to Caroline Lee Dewey during a period of regression when Lisa’s own inner child was throwing a full blown tantrum. Letting yourself acknowledge that you need human connection when you don’t feel like it and you don’t want to.
[1:20:14] Human beings constantly experience stress and emotions, things which constantly influence our interactions with food. Investigating and unpacking the truth of ‘intuitive’ eating.
[1:29:57] Our bodies are our literal homes. When it changes without our permission or conscious thought, it can feel terrifying.
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Caroline Lee Dewey is a transformational coach, healer, medium, all around amazing human being, AND one of our amazing guests for the Out of the Cave and Into Your Power Retreat happening in San Diego this September. We are so thrilled to welcome her onto the podcast, where she shares with Lisa and with you her story, the aspects of healing, her definition of spirituality, and so much more.
Topics include:
[6:00] Meeting each other through the Omega retreat with Nicole Sachs and passing on messages from Lisa’s recently deceased father within hours of being introduced. The influence Caroline had on Lisa’s integration of spiritual modalities in her own work.
[25:10] How the circumstances we’re born into affect our lives. Being born into the grief of losing two grandfathers in a very short time and how that led Caroline to take on responsibility for other people’s emotions. Developing intense anxiety as she went into her teens began to affect her appetite and morphed into a self-punishing mechanism.
[35:44] Losing her social network upon going to college, admittance to psychiatric programs, how everything she learned and everything that helped led her back to herself and embracing authenticity.
[40:46] Moving from absence to presence (ex. the absence of pain and fear into the presence of joy and love). Using food and physical discomfort and body issues as a way of distracting from emotional and spiritual upheaval instead of making space for those feelings.
[54:15] Integration and what it means for our lives - mind, soul, and body. The role that intuition plays in rediscovering ourselves and our spirituality.
[1:04:05] Now what? How to take these new realizations and start integrating that into our lives and our practices. The somatic component of healing and self-expression, where all the different parts of ourselves come together into a whole being.
Connect with Caroline!
www.carolineleedewey.com
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One of Lisa’s early clients, Kristen is not alone in being unable to recall the early years of her life in relation to food. Under pressure to keep the peace in the family, get good grades, and participate in sports, she turned to food unknowingly as an emotional coping tool.
Topics include:
[8:20] Kristen was the peace keeper in her family, under an immense amount of pressure to bring home good grades and participate in sports. Food and reading and schoolwork became things she could immerse herself in to escape from what she was feeling and what was happening around her.
[19:30] The decade after high school saw a continuing trend of weight gain as Kristen entered college younger than her peers. She and Lisa relate to each other over the feeling of needing to be perfect in the things that are accessible for them.
[31:49] Having her child and realizing that she wasn’t setting the example she wanted to be giving her young son prompted Kristen to seek help when she connected with Lisa in her mid-40s. The feelings of shame and fear that got in her way for so long before pushing through to take that first step in reaching out about starting the work together.
[45:10] The most impactful memories from Kristen’s one on one sessions with Lisa in the early days of the program. The everyday changes that Kristen began to see through doing the work. Allowing herself to deal with her emotions in ways that will honestly feel good to her body, brain, and soul.
[58:20] Moving into the pandemic and experiencing extreme stress brought old habits back, but her awareness and acceptance of what was happening kept her present and allowed her to move through that time while maintaining self-compassion. Kristen ended up returning to join Lisa’s group coaching and learned even more from a new communal healing experience.
[1:09:45] How approaching your healing as part of a community helps us be more honest and more authentic. The never-ending journey of extending yourself compassion and love, accepting the ebb and flow that each day brings.
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Kathryn has been through every stage of Lisa’s work! Since her first experience in one of Lisa’s workshops to going through the group and now as a current member of the aftercare program, she joins Lisa to discuss her journey through chronic pain, finding joy in movement, and the actual magic of truly feeling your feelings.
Topics include:
[13:28] After her mother got gastric bypass surgery at the age of 70, Kathryn recognized that she hadn’t meant to pass on a harmful mindset, but after Kathryn’s 25 year old daughter recently got gastric sleeve surgery, she feels immense guilt at passing that on to her own child. Discussing how what we say and do affects people and how the negative things we are told linger ten times longer than the positive.
[34:40] After experiencing emotional and sexual abuse as a young adult, the true change came after having her daughter. She finally stood up for herself in her abusive marriage, left her husband, and moved to a new country, but chronic migraines and plantar fasciitis drove her to the breaking point. When multiple diets didn’t work, her path led her to Lisa.
[44:27] Over the pandemic, Kathryn fostered a deep love for swimming, as the meditative rhythmic motion put her mind at ease and the physical activity helped her make decisions to fuel her body with healthy food. Releasing her need for perfectionism and competition helped her find true enjoyment in the experience.
[58:54] Moving from a space of mindless emotional eating to awareness and mindfulness. How the concept of ‘treating yourself’ can enable bad habits and take you out of actually listening to your body and what it truly needs. How to actually feel your feelings and what that powerful practice does for your brain and body.
[1:19:10] Conceptualizing and partnering with your inner child to heal your childhood or young adult self.
Learn more about Dani Fagan at www.mytmsjourney.com and on Youtube where you can find her yoga and meditation videos.
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We are so excited to welcome back the incomparable Alison Midollo! One of Lisa’s closest friends and collaborators, Alison was on the OOTC pod back in December for the episode Inner Peace (check it out at https://anchor.fm/lisa-schlosberg/episodes/Inner-Peace-with-Alison-Midollo-e1bs785) and is here today to talk some more about the upcoming Out of the Cave and Into Your Power Retreat happening in San Diego CA at the end of September.
Topics include:
[1:55] Introductions and setting intentions for the pod - Balance and Spirituality.
[6:02] Balance versus taking things to extremes. Identifying yourself as only one thing can be harmful in many ways and restricts the possibilities and opportunities you have to grow and learn as a person. Perfectionism and people pleasing versus zen and zest.
[12:02] How acknowledging the separate parts of ourselves helps lead us to wholeness and balance. The ebb and flow of your unique gifts, letting yourself embrace that, and not forcing yourself to be one thing all the time are some of the most important things we can do for ourselves.
[17:23] What happens when all of our energy goes to consciously or unconsciously suppressing parts of ourselves. Food and eating is not the root cause, it’s this imbalance and misdirection of energy that needs to be healed in order to evolve and express ourselves fully.
[31:00] Lisa credits John Gabriel and the Gabriel Method as the beginning of her spiritual awakening. Moving from grasping desperately for control to acceptance and peace with life as it is.
[40:30] Needing to address more than just the inner child, embracing our past selves at every age. Inner resistance coming from feeling a lack of safety. Rachel Bell’s influence on Lisa and giving yourself permission to express parts of yourself you’ve hidden. Alison’s experience feeling forced to dim her natural light and positivity. Breaking out of the box or stepping out of the box that you and others may have put yourself in.
[56:42] Spirituality and spiritual awakening. Lisa’s journey into spirituality after connecting with Alison. Caroline Dewey’s definition of spirituality (which you’ll more of at the retreat in September!).
[1:08:03] How spirituality and connecting with your energetic self connects to struggles with weight and food. Letting yourself do the work through skepticism and practice love even if the spiritual language doesn’t resonate.
[1:12:13] Peace and safety are not dependent on weight, size, pain, accomplishments, etc. Showing up day after day exactly as you are and acknowledging that you still deserve and can feel peace and safety is a revolutionary act of self love. You will not always feel love and care and peace in every moment but that doesn’t mean that it’s not there for you regardless.
Find Alison online:
www.alisonmidolloyoga.com (check out her upcoming retreat and online community!!)
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Lisa is joined by Eddy Lindenstein, host of The Mind and Fitness Podcast, to talk about control, peace, and the difference between working out because you love what your body can do versus working out because you’ll be terrified if you don’t lose weight.
Topics include:
[3:08] Eddy describes his background and work with the Mind and Fitness Podcast, which reached episode 226 as of May 19, 2022. Then Eddy and Lisa start his childhood relationship with food.
[12:43] After moving from Chico CA to Seattle WA at nine years old, Eddy experienced a massive culture shock and lifestyle change to fit in with his new schoolmates, moving into a new awareness of body and weight. Weight gain after quitting baseball due to injury led to bullying and teasing which only exacerbated the situation.
[28:43] At age 15, a family road trip contributed to further weight gain and he finally had enough. Joining a gym and going on Weight Watchers helped him lose weight and sparked a lifelong passion for exercise and fitness.
[42:45] Prepping for a competition led to an intense TMS relapse, which prompts Lisa and Eddy to discuss the scarcity mindset and love vs fear mentality in our relationships with our body. Looking back, he can acknowledge feeling a lack of power as the fundamental motivator in those moments.
[52:58] When we acknowledge our lack of control over all the things we are trying to control and force into a certain mold, an enormous weight is lifted off our shoulders and we can focus our energy on just BEING, exactly as we are (+ more on scarcity!).
[1:02:43] Integration of brain and body (aka The Good Stuff). No matter what happens, we are safe, and once our brains know this and truly embrace it, our lives will change. Reaching a space of love, mindfulness, and connection with food and our bodies, avoiding the pendulum swing from one extreme to another.
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Former client Amanda joins Lisa to talk about the mind-body connection, chronic pain, and how moving through your fear can open up a whole new world of possibilities and accomplishments.
Topics include:
[1:35] As a child of divorce, Amanda was faced with two radically different systems when she ate with her mom versus eating with her dad. A lack of stability and peace can have massive effects on our inner dialogue and beliefs about food, about what is healthy and safe or even just what is ‘normal.’
[16:18] Even with multiple different diets and regular exercise, nothing Amanda was doing addressed the emotional issues that were the root of her struggles with food. She watched her weight fluctuate wildly and couldn’t seem to get it under control.
[25:34] Finding Lisa and beginning their work together, understanding the importance of the mind-body connection in our relationship with food and our bodies. After spending so much money on programs and nutritionists, what made Lisa’s work different?
[35:20] The journey from being in conflict with food and with your own brain and emotions to being kinder and gentler to yourself and others. Embracing our own ‘ugliness’ or shadow self, things like jealousy and anger, to learn to understand those emotions and accept those parts of ourselves.
[40:07] Everything you want is on the other side of fear. Getting through the resistance to own your power is the only way we can make a change when what we’ve been doing all along just isn’t working for us anymore.
[51:10] Eating intuitively and what it really means. By building a stronger relationship with our body, we can tell when we really feel hungry and when we’re using food to distract ourselves from an uncomfortable feeling or emotion.
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Lisa continues the conversation about love and fear in our relationship with food and how we can do things that scare us, get uncomfortable, and move towards fear from a deep place of love and bravery.
Topics Include:
- The experience of food and eating while traveling and how it feels to return home again
- Using your relationship with food as a mechanism to learn to reparent yourself
- Running toward fear rather than running from it
- What self-love can look like in our relationship with food
[3:00] Lisa talks her experience around food and eating during her recent solo travel trip to Italy and what it has been like to return “back to normal,” from a place of love
[10:40] Lisa speaks to the goal of “healing your relationship” with food, and why the mindset that we will someday be “done” can activate our fear response and how we can move in a place of love
[16:30] Love, fear, and pizza, Lisa talks about her perception of pizza during her major weight loss and what it can teach us about love and fear
[28:00] Exposure therapy, running towards the fear from a place of love and teaching your brain he scary thing is safe to address dysfunctional thought patterns around food, eating, and body image
[42:00] Reparenting yourself around food and eating as an act of self love, eating when you’re hungry, not eating when you’re not hungry, and coping and being present with your emotions
[50:00] Discipline and doing things you don’t want to do from a place of love, like going to bed at a decent time and allowing yourself to be uncomfortable
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Lisa has a conversation with former client Heather to talk about different places body image issues can come from, rebuilding our belief systems to accommodate fundamental truths about ourself, and doing it out of love.
Topics include:
[1:42] Early childhood memories and building our first relationship with food - food as connection and family - the transition from food as fun, family, and community to diet culture and social pressure
[9:48] Belief systems and how conflict in this area of our lives can lead to chaos and uncertainty. Designing your own belief system and finding what resonates with you. Wrestling with your own ideology and trying to find your truth.
[15:10] Chronic pain and how that interacts with our beliefs about ourselves and the people around us (Check out Nicole Sachs’ podcast at https://audioboom.com/channels/4976835)
[20:30] The Enneagram and what it can tell you about yourself - the feelings wheel and how we sometimes need new language in order to understand ourselves and make ourselves understood to others (check it out at feelingswheel.com)
[30:50] The most impactful takeaways from doing the work and what stuck with Heather the most - understanding codependency, making decisions out of love, extending yourself grace, and more!
[46:02] Doing it out of love or not at all - letting ourselves be motivated by love instead of by fear (see previous episode for more!)
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We have to eat food every day in order to provide our body the nourishment it needs to keep us alive. But have we thought about the emotions we encounter when we provide that nourishment?
Topics include:
[3:56] How do we define health and what is holistic health? Physical health is only one aspect of holistic health, which includes mental, emotional, social, spiritual, and environmental health in addition to our physical bodies.
[6:14] The Weight vs Health Venn diagram (available at www.outofthecave.health/downloads). There are things that can help you reach a weight goal but are not a positive influence on our holistic health and vice versa, but the intersection between these two areas is where the magic happens.
[14:30] Things that contribute to our mental, emotional, spiritual health but not necessarily our physical health may not help us lose weight in an acute way but will absolutely contribute to making weight loss sustainable and healthy because we allow ourselves to have what we want.
[18:47] When we don’t allow certain foods, the brain learns that those things aren’t safe. But even if it doesn’t serve the body (ice cream, cake, doritos, etc), it could be serving a very different but no less vital aspect of our holistic health.
[22:08] Salads and the intersection of the Venn diagram. If you eat a salad because you hate what you look like, you’re taking a very healthy food and creating a very unhealthy experience.
[27:04] Cardio has such an intense association with weight and weight loss. But if we are doing it because we hate our body and want it to change, we will be miserable the entire time and hate ourselves even more during and after it. But by creating an energy of love and appreciation for what our body is capable of doing and the joy of movement, we will be uplifted and energized every time we step off of the treadmill.
[31:40] How we can reclaim our power and healthy behaviors that will serve us by being aware of our mindset.
[39:51] Actions speak louder than words, but energy speaks louder than actions. If we’re looking for true health and sustainability, we need to be mindful of the energy we’re using when we exercise, when we cook, when we order food out, because it impacts our lives in so many unanticipated ways. But how do we know if we’re coming from a place of love or a place of fear?
[45:19] No one else can tell you if your behavior is healthy (coming from a place of love) or not based off of mere observation. Only by being present in the moment and in our bodies can we be aware of our true intentions.
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Lisa and Kate talk about how bringing the unconscious to the conscious realm helped heal their physical body and their relationship to their physical bodies and what it looks like to share this work and additionally, discuss why Kate is rebranding and dropping "Clean" from Kate's Clean Life.
Topics Include:
- TMS and Chronic Pain
- Self-Compassion
- The difference between chronic pain and human pain
- The rapid speed of healing when we address the nervous system
[2:00] Lisa and Kate remember how they connected through being personal trainers who previously used fear and changing the body as motivation, to a holistic, mind-body approach, and Kate tells her story regarding her chronic pain
[22:00] Kate recalls what it was like to listen to her own intuition when doctors were recommending serious procedures like surgery to deal with her chronic pain issues
[33:00] Noticing your emotional world when we experience set-backs in our relationship with food, body image, chronic pain, etc.
[40:30] Why Kate is rebranding “Kate’s Clean Life!” (Plus: Attempting to control the uncontrollable nature of our life and gripping to “clean eating,” “clean beauty,” “clean beauty,” etc, etc, while we have a dysregulated emotional system)
[49:00] Kate recalls finding Dr. Sarno’s work and what it means to do the “inner work” to heal the physical body by moving through repressed emotions
[1:06] Gaining health versus losing weight through focusing on love versus fear
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Lisa continues the conversation from the last episode and how our internal relationships with ourselves impact our physical relationship with food and our bodies.
Topics Include:
- The consequences of dieting and turning food into numbers
- Homeostatic Hunger (Physical Hunger) vs Hedonic Hunger (Emotional Hunger)
- What to do when we want to eat and know we are not physically hungry
- Changing our behaviors around food from a place of love rather than fear
- Standing in power and choice around food, eating, and body image
[2:30] A review of Ellyn Satter’s, Division of Responsibility and bringing back humanity around food
[14:00] Integrating and adapting the concept of Division Responsibility with ourselves and our own feelings and behaviors around food and the simple question we should be asking
[36:00] Reparenting our inner child around the purpose of food and addressing emotional issues and feelings with emotional solutions and using food for physical hunger, fuel, and nutrition (for the most part)
[49:30] Tips and suggestions for how to practice this on a very real tangible dimension
[1:09] This week’s “homework”
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Lisa provides information on the “how-to” in moving forward in mind-body alignment, so food, eating, and body-image take up much less time and mental space in your heart and mind.
Topics Include:
- The inner-child and inner-parent both getting their needs met in alignment
- The power of authenticity and honesty in healing our relationship to food, eating, and body-image
- Detangling ourselves from the emotional uses of food and finding emotional solutions to emotional issues
- The Division of Responsibility
[4:30] The self-objectification and neglect of the inner child when dieting
[11:45] Our primal connection to food and eating and it’s link to safety and survival and why we can’t coax, bribe, or trick ourselves into an inauthentic relationship with feeding ourselves
[16:15] How we can change our relationship to food and intuitively seek out nutritious foods in an authentic way
[22:00] The harmful impact of using (especially hyper-palatable) food as a reward or comfort
[35:30] Lisa defines “The Division of Responsibility,” a framework, by dietician, Ellyn Satter, for families to establish a healthy association to food and eating in children and how we can apply it to feeding ourselves
[1:02] Lisa previews next week's episode and gives the listener some action items for your consideration as you prepare for part 2 of this conversation
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Lisa sits down with Judy, Maternal Child Nurse and Board Certified Lactation Consultant to talk about what we can learn from the relationship between mother and baby to heal the relationship between our own inner child and inner parent when it comes to food and eating.
Topics Include:
- The unselfconscious drive to eat and fully living our body
- Moving from a power struggle to a dance
- The “On the Job” training of being a first time parent
- Child and parent BOTH getting their needs met
- Boundaries
- Our body as a tool
[1:30] Judy explains her 30 year career as a Maternal Child Nurse, Board Certified Lactation Consultant and her role in helping women be empowered in their choices
[7:00] The relationship between newborn and mother in the earliest moments of feeding and eating and the diad built between them
[14:00] Judy shares what she believes are the biggest lessons of parenthood
[23:00] What we’ve learned about feeding newborn in recent history, and the mistakes we’ve made in disrupting their own hunger and fullness cues before they are even 6 months old
[30:00] The “On the Job” training of being a first time parent and how mother’s were never meant to go it alone
[36:00] Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs and how babies live at the bottom where their basic needs are needing to be met, and all the way at the top we have self-actualization
[45:00] The holy grail of attachment and attunement
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Lisa chats with Emily G, former one-on-one coaching client about the hardship and pain caused by growing up in a bigger body, the dangerous road diet culture took her down, and how her concept of what a transformation or “before and after” looks like has changed so drastically after coming out of the cave. Topics Include:
Growing up the fat friend The consequences of bottling emotions TMS, Chronic Pain, and IBS Getting help and going to therapy Radical acceptance Creating a mental space of safety with an abundance mindset
[3:00] Emily tells story about growing up in a bigger body as a child and teen and what that meant for her friendships, being bullied, playing team sports, shopping, diet, body image, and her relationship her mom and to herself [28:00] Dieting for the first time in highschool and how that impacted her relationship to food well after the diet ended [35:00] Emily talks about her college experience and how going to the gym to manage anxiety got her addicted to weight loss, and how the body image and food issues were exacerbated by moving into her sorority house, and how things came to a head during her semester abroad [47:00] Emily seeks out therapy because her relationship with food is causing anxiety and eventually supplements the good work she was doing in therapy with coaching with Lisa for a mind-body approach [1:06:00] Emily shares her biggest takeaways from being an Out of the Cave coaching client, including exercising from a place of self-love rather than fear, and going back to basics with eating, and talks about how her relationship to food, eating, and body image are different today Register Early Bird - Group Coaching and Save $500 All of March - Reserve Your Spot for the May 2022 Cohort https://www.outofthecave.health/work-with-me Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly https://www.outofthecave.health/membership EMail Lisa - We welcome questions, comments and feedback lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 https://www.outofthecave.health/shop Socials Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/outofthecavellc YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/lees325/videos
Lisa continues to discuss what it means to live balanced in terms of doing versus being, right brain and left brain, and thinking versus feeling, when it comes to our bodies and how we feed ourselves in regards to nutrition.
Topics Include:
- Getting in touch with what works for you when it comes to nourishment
- The lack of moral value in food versus the nutritional and emotional value
- Adding in and crowding out
- Eating healthy when it’s not about shame, aesthetic, or diet culture but to live the life we deserve
- Feeding yourself as means to treat yourself with respect
- Nutrition 101
[5:50] What does it really mean for a food to be healthy versus unhealthy, when we move away from the dichotomy of good versus bad food, while we expand our definition of health
[16:00] The concept of adding in and crowding out foods in order to work with our physiology and our psychology
[29:30] Going to human school, pretending you're an alien and learning how to take care of human body on Earth and how to survive in an “Earth suit”
[40:00] Moving into a health mindset and away from a diet culture/weight mindset and what that looks like when grocery shopping and choosing foods, considering the source of our food, and how to begin to look at a food label, and identify real food
[1:10] Living in a state of abundance and safety rather than restriction and fear
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Lisa discusses what it means to live balanced in terms of doing versus being, right brain and left brain, and thinking versus feeling, when it comes to our bodies and how we feed ourselves
Topics Include:
- The behaviors of the True self vs False Self
- Doing versus being
- Living in the Wise Mind
- Diet Culture Trends vs Bio-Individuality and Nutrition
[4:00] Aiming for balance with: doing and being, right and left brain, and thinking and feeling
[17:00] Doing and being in terms of food, eating, and body image
[23:00] Being intuitive with our bodies, both emotionally and physically, how to feel our feelings versus thinking about our feelings, and staying present with our body’s sensations and how this helps heal our relationship with food
[30:00] Moving from living in your brain to living in your brain and your body and why some struggle around the concept of intuitive eating
[41:00] Why we are moving away from “Good Food” vs “Bad Food” Dichotomy
[44:00] Being a “scientist” around food and eating
[46:30] The concept of bio-individuality, and how it must be at the root of nutrition
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Lisa talks to her right hand woman, Out of the Cave’s very first employee, Alé Cardinalle, MSW, about her own personal story around food, eating, and body image, as well as her journey from diet culture, to anti-diet culture, and ultimately to Out of the Cave, and Lisa.
Topics Include:
- Childhood trauma and eating behaviors
- Trending beauty standards
- Disordered eating behaviors
- Releasing shame through knowledge
- Anti-diet industry and the intuitive eating movement
- Self-Compassion and Self-Discipline
[5:15] Alé talks about her awareness and sort of obsessive thoughts around body size and image began
[8:35] How the early 2000s beauty standards led Alé to dangerous restrictive behaviors
[12:15] Alé goes to inpatient treatment for PTSD and major depression and loses a significant amount of weight and for fear of gaining it back asked to be prescribed adderall
[21:15] After major weight loss, followed by major weight gain, Alé finds intuitive eating and when that wasn’t quite the fix she hoped for, Lisa fell into her life while they were both Master of Social Work Students at NYU
[32:15] Alé goes into detail about her personal experience with the anti-diet movement
[44:15] What spirituality means to Alé, and how learning to trust herself and tell the truth have been integral components to her healing journey around food, eating, and body image
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Email: ale.wildheartcollective@gmail.com
Website: wildheartcollective.us
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Lisa sits down with former client, Eliza, to have a deep talk about how diet culture, fatphobia, and body dysmorphia affect even those who have never had a "weight problem."
Topics Include:
- Getting support for your difficult relationship to food, eating, and body image when you don’t meet the criteria for an eating disorder
- The effect of adults commenting on children’s bodies
- How fatphobia and diet culture harms everyone, even those who have never had a “weight issue”
- Body Dysmorphia
[3:00] Eliza recalls her early relationship to food and eating and how her food limited palette affected her going into puberty, and how being exposed to an adult struggling with their own relationship to food and eating, opened her up to a world of dieting and body image issues
[7:00] Eliza talks about an adult in her life commenting on her changing body and how she internalized these changes as “bad”
[13:00] Eliza remembers the influence of magazines, television, and media in general on her perception of her own body and how going to extreme lengths to control and manipulate your body was normalized
[21:00] Eliza looks back on her college years, being away from her family, gaining some weight, and comparing herself to her peers
[26:30] Eliza talks about the awakening she had that allowed her to leave diet culture, begin to heal her relationship to food, eating, and body image, and work with Lisa and how through the work her goals changed when it came to pursuing weight loss
[35:00] Lisa recalls a story during her and Eliza’s time together that she still often thinks about to this day, Eliza reacts and gives an update
[41:00] Eliza talks about reclaiming things like exercise, hunger, and potatoes, after leaving diet culture and working with Lisa
[53:00] Eliza gives advice to someone who may just be starting on their healing journey around food, eating, and body image
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In this episode, whether you are under eating, over eating, restrictively eating, struggling with disordered eating, Lisa discusses how this may have happened to you and how you can move toward a healthier more peaceful relationship with food and eating.
Topics Include:
- Socialization and social cues surrounding food and eating
- The False Self Vs. The True Self
- Your body as an instrument rather than an ornament
- Reparerenting
[15:10] What it looks like to embody your true self when it comes to your body, weight, shape, and size
[23:30] Looking at where our false self is in charge, calling the shots, and causing us to objectify ourselves and asking when did thinking this way start?
[32:30] How to come home to your true self and get your needs met
[36:50] Lisa shares some personal stories about what returning to the true self looked like for her during her semester at sea
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Lisa and Tiffany have a candid conversation about childhood trauma and weight gain, becoming an “after picture,” and reckoning with life after that experience.
Topics Include:
- Early childhood trauma and hardship and using food to cope and feel safe
- The messages we get about body image inside our own homes
- Emotional eating as a solution rather than self-sabotage
- Staying present with emotions rather than numbing them away with emotional eating
- Emotional sobriety
[7:21] Tiffany recounts her earliest relationship to food, eating, and her body starting from the hardship her mother faced while Tiffany was in utero
[14:58] Tiffany shares the earliest messages she received about body shape and size and how those messages affect her to this day
[20:09] Tiffany loses weight due to serious illness and shares her family’s reaction to that weight loss
[23:39] Tiffany tells about the impact growing up in a strict religion with rigid ideas on what a woman’s purpose is caused her to “run away from home,” and get married at 19 and how that impacted her relationship to food and her weight
[29:40] How a major health scare, motherhood, and Hurricane Katrina led Tiffany to a weight loss journey and how a 136 pound loss allowed her to become awake to so many other issues going on in her life
[41:00] Tiffany shares the methods and strategies she used to allow her to feel her feelings rather than chase them away with food and eating
[50:40] Tiffany explains how her weight loss journey led her to wake up to the abuse in her marriage and her three year path out of that marriage
[53:40] Tiffany shares her experience about being a weight loss success story and how it was a trap
[1:04:39] Practicing self-friendship on the road to self-love
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Lisa continues the conversation on truth, and how embodying truth can help you to heal your relationship to food, eating, and body image.
Topics Include:
- The benefit of Journal Speak
- Your emotional body vs. your physical body
- Vulnerability, joy, and fear existing simultaneously
- Asking, “What else is true?” when asking ourselves how we feel
[3:30] “Unmuting” your inner child
[9:00] Telling the whole truth by allowing fear and joy to exist at the same time
[14:00] Lisa reads a piece she wrote years ago about her experience being constantly praised by others after extreme and rapid weight loss while a student at the University of Michigan and active member of Greek life
[26:00] Lisa recounts a time in 2016 where she was a participant at a Jon Gabriel retreat and being asked, “What are the benefits to having the extra weight on your body?” and how that was question created a wave of total honesty amongst the attendees
[37:00] You’ve told the whole truth, now what?
[42:00] Society’s polarized point of views on weight loss and other’s opinion about how a smaller body will actually make you feel
[46:30] The function of the false self, ego, or shadow self and feeling happy versus feeling safe
[53:30] Why the mainstream means of weight loss necessarily can’t work for us long term
[54:30] Lisa assigns you, the listener, homework
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Lisa explains why embodying your truth and coming home to yourself is essential in healing your relationship to food, weight, and body image and gives real life examples of what that has looked like in her own journey.
Topics Include:
- Replacing, “What’s wrong with you?” to “What happened to you?”
- The price of denying our own feelings even when we do so to be able to survive
- How repressed emotions come up in other areas of life
- TMS and chronic pain
- Inner child work
[3:00] What happens to our mind/body when our emotional reservoir is flooding
[6:48] How did we come to a place where we are asking others, “How should I eat?” rather than feeling like we can naturally practice intuitive eating
[8:30] Lisa explains the death of her five month old baby sister was the beginning of disconnecting from her own emotions and how that led to her “disordered” relationship with food
[16:00] The importance for allowing space for pain, grief, anger, sadness, etc., even when feeling won’t change anything
[19:30] How Lisa was able to ignore her weight and that she didn’t look the same as her peers, even in the face of bullies
[28:17] Lisa’s therapist’s reaction to her 150 pound weight loss and how their sessions began to change and become more vulnerable
[34:30] What happens when we stop pretending, tell the truth, and give our inner child a voice
[41:30] Lisa explains how it felt good on one hand to be seen as an “after picture,” and explains how she also felt so unseen
[45:22] How a night in the ER forced Lisa into facing real and true fears and stressors with the help of Nicole Sachs
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Lisa has an illuminating conversation with group alum Kate about her year “out of the cave,” and the parallels between her relationship with emotional eating and her relationship to alcohol.
Topics Include:
- Leaving all or nothing thinking behind with diet culture
- Being tempted to diet even after dropping out of diet culture
- The difference between eating food and using food
- Childhood trauma and emotional eating
- Developing a wisdom and knowing around food and eating
[5:30] Kate talks about the lesson of starting before you’re “ready” and meeting yourself where you’re at
[10:30] Why we still have “diet thoughts”
[13:00] A nuanced look at Whole30 and can we take elements of diets out of love for ourselves?
[15:40] The distinction between feeling uncomfortable and feeling unsafe
[24:23] Seeing yourself and your relationship to food and eating as an experiment and not a practice in perfection
[28:00] Kate describes uncovering the link between her father’s alcoholism and her own relationship with food
[38:15] What is the “end goal” of healing our relationship to food and eating? Do we get to a point where no matter what food is in our home that we feel neutral about it?
[56:00] What is addiction when it comes to food?
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Lisa explains the mental, emotional, and physical hardships she faced when prioritizing weight over health and the holistic healing that ensued when the reverse became true.
Topics Include:
- The problem with making weight loss the focus
- Doctors missing obvious signs of an eating disorder
- When controlling our size feels vital for survival
- Weight Mindset vs Health Mindset
[2:40] Holistic health defined
[5:15] Why/how Lisa was the most unhappy and unhealthy more than ever before at the end of her 150 pound weight loss
[27:58] How disconnecting the mind-body connection is great for rapid weight loss and terrible for all the other parts of us
[30:00] Hedonic vs Homeostatic Hunger
[32:46] Lisa recalls the details of the video tape of fear her mind played while she was obsessed with counting, numbers, calories in and calories and out, and how that felt so linked to safety and survival
[39:46] Lisa’s “pie-chart” explanation of holistic health and how physical health is 1/6th of your overall well-being
[43:25] What your BMI does and does not tell you
[50:00] Thinking you must focus on your weight to be healthy is a limiting belief
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Lisa talks with Heather Fleming, CEO and Founder of Conscious Nutrition.
Topics Include:
- Letting go of perfectionism
- Meeting the “dark parts” of us with playfulness
- Nutrition without shame
- Forgiving yourself at the speed of light
[8:36] Lisa and Heather recall Lisa’s time as Heather’s client and the approach she took to help Lisa heal her IBS, by integrating a right and left brain, mind-body approach.
[11:36] Heather explains her struggles after eating she had all throughout childhood, and how she went from being a business major to a clinical nutritionist, then finding a whole new approach in holistic nutrition
[16:50] Heather details how she went from a very clinical place, driven by shame and guilt, to an integrative approach fueled by curiosity, gentleness, and playfulness
[24:40] Heather explains how she went from a “don’t eat sugar” nutritionist, to someone who looked at a person’s inner child, their fear, their inner people pleaser, and all the places we make decisions from to approach nutrition without shame
[32:00] Asking, “What else is going on,” when it comes to fear around food, and being curious about what parts of yourself you may be rejecting, resisting, or not accepting
[43:00] Noticing when you’re in a ping-pong match with yourself, aka in the physiology of fear
[50:00] Heather gives advice to those just starting to experiment with trusting and feeling their way into a new relationship around food and eating
[57:05] Being distracted from an old pain story
[1:08:00] What a taste of trusting yourself feels like
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Lisa is a guest on the Inner Peace Podcast with AM, where she and Alison Midollo discuss feelings, beliefs, the mind-body connection, and true belonging.
Topics Include:
- Allowing space for emotions
- The reason for pain and struggle
- Our brains and emotions
- The mind-body connection
- The power of being authentically seen in our relationships
[4:40] Lisa describes her favorite forms of self-care she is using lately.
[9:56] Lisa explains her business, “Out of the Cave,” where she helps people heal their relationships with weight, weight loss, and their relationship to food and eating and how losing 150 pounds led her to where she is today
[11:46] Lisa details the most rewarding parts of her work, leading people on their healing journeys around emotional eating
[16:41] Lisa defines emotion in terms of our right and left brain.
[28:21] Distinguishing between feelings and beliefs
[35:21] Emotions and our primal “animal brain”
[44:06] The issue with finding safety externally
[51:26] Lisa describes themes and trends she’s experienced in her work with her clients as of late
[1:14:36] Lisa explains how she finds inner peace
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Lisa is joined by Out of the Cave Group Coaching alum, Estelle, to talk about how learning to sit in discomfort and relearning how to trust yourself and your body allows you to take control of your life and own your innate power and wisdom.
Topics Include:
- Early childhood and the effects on our relationship to food and our bodies
- Thoughts are a fleeting part of the human experience
- The power of sitting and being present even in discomfort
- Parenting your inner child
- True empathy
[2:43] Estelle recalls the parts of her childhood when her relationship to food, eating, and body image became stressful
[5:05] Estelle talks about how comparing herself to her friends and feeling a deep desire to be loved led her to extreme dieting and disordered eating behaviors and Lisa begins to point out how our painful relationship to food and body start way before the most damaging behaviors begin
[9:00] Estelle talks about “little t,” and “big T,” traumas in her childhood home and how she found emotional eating at such a young age and how that spiraled a few years later into laxative abuse, binging, purging, and diet pills,
[11:53] After 6 months hospitalized for an eating disorder, Estelle explains how she really learned nothing because the root of the issue was never addressed
[12:16] Estelle finds personal development and her understanding of herself and the human experience bursts wide open and how we don’t have “get rid” of any feelings
[17:22] Estelle explains why she was attracted to Lisa’s approach and how Lisa does not focus on the food, or the body, or the outside, and empowers her clients to trust themselves
[21:00] Lisa talks about what changes when you’re able to sit in discomfort and remind yourself that you are not unsafe and Estelle responds by explaining how scary sitting with feelings can be so difficult some of us would rather risk our lives with drugs, or disordered eating behaviors, chronic emotional eating, or literally dying rather than sit with how we feel inside
[27:00] How diet culture disconnects us from self and how true connection to self and others makes us feel full
[31:51] Lisa explains how Estelle’s experience of “feeling like she’s going to die,” when it comes to discomfort makes sense when we understand the brain science
[38:00] We don’t need advice or panic, we need to give ourselves permission to let feelings “kill us”
[43:00] Taking radical responsibility for yourself, your thoughts, and your healing
[53:20] Estelle talks about how she experienced some emotional eating during quarantine after completing group coaching and how it was much different than before because of profound self-love
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We have all attempted to change how we feel and think about food and our bodies and continuously wind up in a yo-yo type cycle. In this episode Lisa discusses what we have to change about our approach in order to truly achieve a true, deep and profound lifestyle change.
Topics Include:
- Taking healing our relationship to food, eating and our body from the physical to spiritual dimension
- Being the observer and how it’s the true lifestyle change we’ve been looking for
- Food’s innate emotional component
- What it means to be healthy from a holistic point of view
- Focusing on health vs weight
[2:30] What spirituality has to do with all of this, regardless of how you identify on the spirituality spectrum, how are we in relationship the thinking, feeling, the connected, loving being inside of us
[6:30] Swinging “the pendulum” of food and eating to overeating, mindless eating, feeling out of control around food to being restrictive, counting, weight points, etc vs being still in mindfulness, aware of our emotions and stressors
[13:19] What it means to be in alignment with yourself
[16:30] Becoming a conscious observer of your thoughts, feelings, and behaviors
[21:00] Homeostatic and hedonic hunger
[26:45] Getting back to your factory settings and being able to get your needs met appropriately
[30:10] Clues that hunger is physical rather than emotional and vice versa
[33:20] How being hyper focused on weight can take us further from holistic health and defining what it means to be healthy, beyond physical health and health
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Kamlyn is a current member of Out of the Cave’s 14-week group coaching program and sits down with Lisa to talk about the importance of being seen and heard even when the work isn’t “done.” Topics Include:
Diet culture in childhood Addiction, food, and recovery The power of vulnerability The life changing magic of group coaching Taking responsibility for your health without a side of shame
[3:50] Kamlyn describes her relationship to feed and eating as “normal” in the first 5 years of life and describes her parents divorce and mother’s psychiatric diagnosis as a turning point [4:34] Because of her mom’s schizophrenia, Kamlyn describes going long stretches without adequate access to food and how that impacted her habits around food and ultimately her body size and how food became something in her life she could control [6:22] Kamlyn describes her first [nonconsensual] diet at 8 years and why she began to eat in secret the subsequent shame she felt at such a young age [8:10] Kamlyn describes diet culture in the south in the 70s and 80s and her use of diet pills [10:00] Lisa does a real time check-in and asks Kamlyn how it feels to share her story and be vulnerable [11:45] Kamlyn talks the power of “we” and reaching out for help to begin to unpack her story around her trauma surrounding food, eating and body image and her instant connection to Lisa [17:06] Kamlyn shares what other “vices,” in addition to food, that she used to cope with stress and difficult emotions [20:00] How the group pushed Kamlyn to face all that she had been resisting and how the Out of the Cave community gave her the space to be where she is, as she is [26:30] The beauty and strength in deciding to choose love and show up for yourself and the power of the human spirit [31:20] Kamlyn talks about her experience with chronic pain and how that lead to her healing journey with emotional eating and being ready to receive [35:05] Lisa hands Kamlyn the mic, and her gives her an opportunity to share some of the most important things she’s learned in group coaching [38:45] Lisa shares how she feels seen in this moment in a world that so often misunderstands her message because she has a weight loss story [40:21] Lisa and Kamlyn gives ways the group tools impact actual everyday life, what it means to come out of the cave, and the power of waking up and becoming aware [57:55] Kamlyn shares how learning about the ACE study in group helped her begin to process the effects of her own childhood trauma [1:00:15] Creating space for your healing and believing you are worthy and deserving Next Cycle of Group Coaching begins January 2022 - Reserve Your Spot https://www.outofthecave.health/work-with-me Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly https://www.outofthecave.health/membership EMail Lisa - We welcome questions, comments and feedback lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 https://www.outofthecave.health/shop Socials Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/outofthecavellc
Lisa explains how we got where we are today with our relationship to food and eating from a cultural perspective and what we can do to begin to heal.
Topics Include:
- Attachment vs Authenticity
- How our culture impacts our relationship to food, eating, weight, and our bodies
- Creating internal safety rather than external validation
[2:10] The power of observation, raising your consciousness, and unlearning
[5:15] Dr. Gabor Maté and the conflict between attachment and authenticity
[13:28] Our culture of skinny privilege, fatphobia, trending beauty ideals (cultural relativism), and the stigma around mental health issues
[17:28] The intersection of cultural identities and body size
[19:40] The impact of the diet industry and media on our struggles around food, body, and weight and the lack of conversation around holistic health
[20:58] The lack of mind-body health in the western medical and pharmaceutical industry
[21:30] Capitalism and our bodies
[23:00] All these cultural influences interact with our brain explain exactly how we got here with food, weight, eating, and our body image
[25:30] Choosing attachment rather than authenticity around food as children
[27:00] Asking yourself, “Is my desire for weight loss rooted in attachment or authenticity?” and the cost of perpetually choosing attachment
[29:20] The role of shame now that we are grown ups aka, “Shame has a shelf life”
[32:14] You are living the way you were designed to do so, where you are with food, eating, and your body image makes sense and now it’s time to unlearn and begin to choose authenticity
[34:25] What does it mean to say, “Life is a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse,” when it comes to food, eating, and our bodies?
[41:30] Giving up trying to heal our feelings through changing our bodies, beginning to think critically and see ourselves as holistic beings, and engaging in the full human experience
[45:15] The importance of attachment for survival and living authentically
[50:00] Remembering how to eat without a plan, or a diet, and learning to trust our own bodies again
[54:06] Lisa explains how she has been able to maintain her weight after her unhealthy weight loss
[58:08] Practical steps to integrate this information into your healing journey
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Lisa explains how we got where we are today with our relationship to food and eating from a mind-body perspective and what we can do to begin to heal. Topics Include:
Brain Science 101 The connection between stress and our relationship to food and eating Food and addiction Eating Disorders vs Disordered Eating Moving away from shame and blame and into understanding and compassion
[2:53] A general overview of how our brains operate in order to heal our mind-body system and how our brains attempt to achieve balance [4:50] Understanding stress [9:39] The role of “The Happiness Cocktail” (Dopamine, Serotonin, Endorphins, and Oxytocin) and how it relates to your relationship to food and eating [15:05] Past client stories - a look at the brain science with real life examples [19:00] ACES and the consequent health risk behaviors around food and eating are not your fault, and how we can move from “What’s wrong with you?” to, “What happened to you?” [24:15] The Reward Pathway: How emotional eating and overeating and restriction and dieting can serve the same purpose in the brain and addiction [33:00] Grieving dieting and/or emotional eating and how body size tells us very little about our relationship to our feelings around food and eating [37:22] The spectrum of behaviors and feelings around food eating from the “Eat to Live” People → “Eating Disorders” and how you don’t need to have a diagnosable eating disorder to benefit greatly from support [41:30] Letting go of self-blame and the notion that one day we’ll just “be done” with struggling about food, eating, and body image and the four things that will always be true about being human [45:00] How your thoughts impact your reality [46:50] So, what do we do? [49:50] It’s not your fault but it is your responsibility Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly https://www.outofthecave.health/membership Next Cycle of Group Coaching begins January 2020 - Reserve Your Spot https://www.outofthecave.health/work-with-me EMail Lisa - We welcome questions and comments lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% Off use code SCHLOS10 https://www.outofthecave.health/shop Socials Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/outofthecavellc YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/lees325/videos Resource(s): Gabor Maté Ted Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66cYcSak6nE
Former Out of the Cave client and licensed therapist, Jeff Ortiz, MA, MFT, sits down with Lisa to tell his story of going from a guy who helps others but couldn’t get a handle on his own relationship to food and emotional eating, to his holistic, mind-body transformation. Topics Include:
Feeding unmet emotional needs with food Life as an overweight child Radical Responsibility Coping with emotions in place of emotionally eating
[6:29] Jeff discusses how asking himself one very simple question changed everything for him, from his relationship to food and beyond [9:40] Jeff shares about his relationship to his mother and how food and sweets became safety and comfort during his challenging childhood and what it was like growing up as the “fat kid” [11:50] Jeff faces bullying and fighting due to his size and looking different and how anger became a big part of his life [15:42] Jeff recounts his history with dieting, restriction, and relationship to exercise and how his wife’s breast cancer journey helped him come to terms with his own struggle around his food and body [16:50] Being a “fat athlete” and trying to avoid being picked on [20:07] Jeff becomes consciously aware that he his not expressing his emotions around his wife’s cancer and treatment and rather, is turning to food and decides he had to do something, and joins Lisa’s group coaching program and an exercise program [23:20] Embodying the idea that you don’t have a problem with food and finally developing peace and freedom around eating [27:05] The secret ingredient that allows you to move from knowing you’re an emotional eater to finally deciding you deserve better [31:14] Jeff recounts his time in Lisa’s group coaching program and connecting with people with a shared experience from all over the world [32:50] It’s not about the weight - how the work in group coaching helped Jeff in so many areas of life including his marriage [39:30] Jeff accepts food is not the problem, coping with his emotions is the real issue and explains what he did with that information to heal his mind-body connection [46:20] The power of the pause and meeting yourself with love [52:34] How Jeff copes and expresses his emotions after having gone through group coaching [1:00:36] The power of self-love and grace in the healing process, you matter, you’re important Connect/Work with Jeff www.instagram.com/jeff_ortiz_lblw Next Cycle of Group Coaching begins January 2020 - Reserve Your Spot https://www.outofthecave.health/work-with-me Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly https://www.outofthecave.health/membership EMail Lisa - We welcome questions and comments lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% Off use code SCHLOS10 https://www.outofthecave.health/shop Socials Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/outofthecavellc YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/lees325/videos
Lisa shares the most important findings from her research after she had lost 150 pounds and struggled to maintain that weight loss, and what she wished she had known all along. Topics Include:
Weight gain and shame Yo-yo dieting The National Weight Control Registry The ACE Study Trauma’s effect on our weight and relationship to food
[2:50] How and why Lisa’s maintenance of her 150 pound weight loss is defying statistics [3:57] Lisa’s experience with yo-yo dieting post weight-loss and “falling off track” or “losing control” but never believing it was her fault [5:22] Feeling shame after weight gain [7:04] Lisa had no question about whether she had discipline and willpower, so she decided to get to the bottom of why she was eating out of control [8:44] Important Fact Number 1: Lisa explains the science and mind-body reason why diets don’t work [16:17] Important Fact Number 2: Lisa finds The National Weight Control Registry and discovers how most members who have maintained at least 30 pound weight loss for at least a year claim they keep the weight off, and why Lisa decided she would not follow in their footsteps [19:24] The biggest mistake in our mindset around dieting and weight loss and the 3 three traps we set ourselves up for everytime we go on a diet [21:30] Important Fact Number 3: What we can learn from the ACE Study when it comes to our relationship to food, eating, and our bodies [31:00] “Big T” vs “Little t” trauma [35:57] Important Fact Number 4 / Trigger Warning: Mentions of Sexual Abuse | The origins of the ACE Study and how weight was always at the center [44:15] Final take-aways and sneak peek into the weeks ahead Next Group Coaching Cohort Begins January 2022!!!! Visit https://www.outofthecave.health/work-with-me or email lisa@lisaschlosberg.com For 10% Off Out of the Cave Merch enter SCHLOS10 at Checkout https://www.outofthecave.health/shop Join the Global Out of the Cave Community | 2 Live Group Zooms with Lisa Monthly + So Much More https://www.outofthecave.health/membership Socials Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/outofthecavellc YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/lees325
Nicole Sachs, LCSW shares her story and explains this work in the clearest of terms.
Topics:
- Nicole Sachs, LCSW and “The Cure for Chronic Pain”
- TMS and Chronic Pain Defined
- Emotional Eating Non-judgmentally
[3:55] Nicole tells her story. At 19 her “back goes out” and she is diagnosed with an abnormality in her lower spine. The doctor warned her there would be no more long car rides, no more sports, and that it was very unlikely she would be able to have children (something she wanted more than anything in the world). She was told that without surgery, she would not live long past 40. Nicole headed back to college and began to live a life of chronic pain and chronic fear.
[8:43] Nicole becomes aware of the work of Dr. John Sarno, a revolutionary medical doctor, speaking about how a mind-body connection, our trauma, and the emotional world actually affect us physically. She began exploring case studies and decided to do a science experiment on herself. Wondering with curiosity in place of fear, “Is there more to this than I had known before?”
[11:30] Nicole describes freeing herself of chronic pain through Dr. Sarno’s work, JournalSpeak, and understanding the mind-body connection. It has been 20 years since she’s had back pain despite her scans looking exactly as they did when she was 19 years old. Nicole gave birth to 3 beautiful children. She is free.
[14:40] Nicole explains the connection between the emotional world and physical world as it pertains not only to chronic pain… and also emotional eating.
[17:48] Nicole touches on brain science and how our nervous system chooses chronic pain as an act of love.
[21:45] Lisa explains how her work and Nicole’s work are very much the same and how we are connected through human pain.
[25:45] Nicole explains how she created her brand and how she came up with “The Cure for Chronic Pain,” even though she believes it is truly, “The Cure for Everything,” and how chronic pain includes not only physical illness but also mental issues like anxiety and/or depression.
[30:09] Nicole says the pain is not in your head and is not your fault. Your nervous system is operating in a way to protect you.
[32:45] Nicole talks about the influence of Lisa’s work on her own relationship to emotional eating and body image, and how she can observe herself emotionally eating and invites herself to feel her feelings.
[34:15] Lisa shares how negative thoughts about her body were a distraction from grieving her father’s impending death.
[39:58] Nicole shares what Lisa believes to be a very important concept: “Life is a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse.”
[43:45] Lisa and Nicole share about their past and present relationship with emotional eating.
[48:13] Nicole gives a quick overview of her work and what it means to “get free.”
Resources:
Nicole:
For More Info and Nicole’s Online Courses and Virtual Retreats: www.thecureforchronicpain.com
Listen to “The Cure for Chronic Pain” Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts
“The Meaning of Truth” https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Truth-embrace-truth-create/dp/1482387352
JournalSpeak Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/132748670815140
Lisa:
Instagram: www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg
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Lisa continues and concludes her story. She shares how ultimately, her journey will help you, the listener, heal your own relationship to food, eating, body image, etc. and how this podcast will serve to lead you out of the cave. Topics:
- Life after weight loss
- How Lisa’s IBS led her closer to the mind-body connection
- How Jon Gabriel and Nicole Sachs impacted Lisa’s healing journey and work
- Maintaining Weight Loss
- Speaking at the Omega Institute
[2:09] Lisa explains what happened after her 150-pound weight loss, including the research she did around holistic, mind-body methods to health. She relied on the support of a therapist and nutritionist, and learned to stabilize her weight as well as her mental and emotional health [5:54] Lisa deals with one lingering issue, which would later be diagnosed as IBS, and tried tests, medications, many doctors, and different procedures, and no one could give her any answers until she was given a diagnosis of Post Infectious IBS (Presumably due to a bought of diarrhea in Ghana) [10:09] Lisa copes for years with her diagnosis of IBS and retreats back to her defense of retreat and denial, while underneath feeling very sad and scared. Though her entire life was being affected, she was still riding the high of her dramatic weight loss, including walking and even running comfortably, shopping with ease, and just generally fitting into the world around her [15:20] Lisa graduated from the University of Michigan, knowing she loved being in the gym and loved helping people. She decided to become a certified personal trainer, not dieting, focusing on mental health and stress reduction, and was amazed to see her weight stabilizing and finally felt an “effortlessness” around food and body [18:25] Lisa finds herself in a position where she is fully embodying mind-body health, felt she was really onto something, and knew it was becoming clear that food, dieting, and exercise could not heal emotional eating [20:14] Lisa attends a Jon Gabriel retreat at the Omega Institute in New York, and felt at home but out of place in such a spiritual place because at the time she was completely disconnected to anything that couldn’t be seen, touched, or proven with data [25:46] The following year Lisa speaks at the retreat and shares her success story from the lens of weight maintenance because she was beating the odds of someone who is defying the statistic that 98% of the people who go on a diet gain the weight back [27:00] In 2018, Lisa returns to speak at the Omega Institute and meets Nicole Sachs, who was also there to teach about how she helped thousands of people around the entire world heal from chronic pain, including IBS, and was hearing all she had to say until she suggested you could use journaling to cure chronic pain [32:30] Listening to Nicole, Lisa realizes that her inner work isn’t done despite maintaining her 150 pound weight loss. If we can accept that stress can cause something like a one time headache, why can’t we accept that stress can cause chronic pain? [37:15] While taking a new look at the onset of her IBS, Lisa thought back to Semester at Sea, where she was too preoccupied with food and eating to be the “life of the party” persona, and for the first time felt awake to her own anxiety, and also, for the first time, felt exposed to the world and saw poverty, illness, heartbreak, death, and struggle [43:19] Lisa begins doing Nicole’s work and realizes that everything she knew to be true around food and eating was also true around chronic pain, and understanding this work on a cognitive level- while still experiencing some skepticism around things like “drawing her pain” Resources: The Cure For Chronic Pain Podcast Become a Member: OutoftheCave.health IG: @Lisa.Schlosberg
Welcome to the premier episode of the Out of the Cave Podcast hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW. This podcast is a resource for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, undereating, overeating, mindless eating, weight gain, weight loss and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image. Topics Include:
Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave,” and how “Out of the Cave” got its name Lisa's experience as an overweight child and teen Choosing weight loss and the process of losing 150 pounds Disordered Eating First steps to healing
[00:35] Lisa introduces the podcast and how it will the serve the listener in their relationship around food, eating, exercise, and body image [1:25] The story of Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave” and how it relates to our journey of living in truth when it comes to how to eat, how to move, and how we feel about our own diets and bodies [6:28] Lisa’s childhood and how childhood obesity and how she lived in denial by being life of the party and over achieving [12:20] Lisa describes traveling alone at 17 years old at 300 pounds and how that experience led her to choose to lose weight and joining Jenny Craig in New Zealand, and how I went mindlessly through the motions for the next few months and loses 30 pounds [16:37] Lisa becomes a freshman at the University of Michigan and went of Jenny Craig but after freshman year and a birthright trip to Israel she begins what would become her 150 pound weight loss [21:09] Lisa is getting a lot of praise for her weight loss and was on a high from the positive attention and her new smaller body but physically was experience dizziness, weight loss, constipation, and sleep problems, and decides to reach out to a nutritionist to help her lose the last stubborn 10 pounds, and the surprising advice she received [30:40] How Lisa’s weight loss created new problems mentally and emotionally and how she had to reckon with her disordered relationship with food during her study abroad program, “Semester at Sea” [39:04] Lisa knows she has willpower, her struggles clearly had nothing to do with lack of discipline, so she waves her white flag and concedes that what she is doing was not sustainable and begins to research mind-body techniques to heal her relationship with food and diet and within a couple years finds herself at a Jon Gabriel retreat, an author known for maintaining his 220 pound weight loss through meditation, mindfulness and cultivating a mind-body connection [42:03] Lisa continues to research and finds the ACE study and learns that health issues are often linked to childhood trauma and Lisa has a new understanding about her weight in childhood, as her parent’s lost a child shortly after birth when Lisa was just 5 years old [46:27] Lisa describes how when she no longer used food to numb how she awoke to rest of the world and for the first time was feeling deeply Resources: Join the community with our monthly membership site at www.outofthecave.health Follow Lisa on Instagram at www.instagram.com/lisa.schlosberg