Austin Enneagram: Recent Episodes
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Elizabeth Chapin and Leigh Jackson of Austin Enneagram and apprentices of Enneagram master Suzanne Stabile, introduce the Enneagram personality types and go in depth about each one.
Reissuing this without the end music, as it got taken down. So an abrupt ending. And I noticed a few weird glitchy spots toward the end. I don’t know what happened. But this is an important place to start before diving into the Naranjo episodes
This ends abruptly, because I had to cut the end music clip off. But putting this back up so it is out there
Part 2 of Episode 49, this conversation comes from my friend Wyatt Rodgers feeding episode 49 into his AI. ChatGPT refines its analysis of Wyatt’s enneagram type and then gives us more feedback on what my and Wyatt’s blind spots might be in this analysis, which I found to be really impressive.
Grateful for end music “3:35 pm, Clearing Not Far From Camp” by Adam Hilton
Wyatt’s face when I use the word “interesting”
What happens when you feed your thoughts and feelings into AI, form a relationship with it over time, and then ask it what your Enneagram number is? My friend Wyatt Rodgers, having done just that, joins me in discussing his use of AI as a self awareness tool, like the Enneagram.
Gratitude for end music “3:35 pm, Clearing Not Far From Camp” by Adam Hilton, who created this in conjunction with my exhibition Treespell.
Wyatt lounging in the kitchen
Susan Piver, meditation teacher and writer of the nuanced book The Buddhist Enneagram, merges concepts of Buddhism and Enneagram, emphasizing how the Enneagram is a spiritual tool and not a self-help program, personality typer, or life hack. She talks of our 3 centers of intelligence (mental/head triad-delusion, heart/emotional triad-grasping, and body/instinct triad-aggression) as the 3 poisons. And arrows of integration and disintegration as peaceful and wrathful deities. We just grazed the early chapters of her very helpful book, with my dog Wendell repeatedly groaning in her lap. There is much more to dig into.
Also, when I talk about “centering” myself in this podcast, I am talking about the compulsion to see myself as the center of my experience. I am not talking about centering prayer or grounding oneself. I am literally talking about overfocusing on self and individual identity.
End music is by artists Adam Hilton and Henna Chou created in collaboration with my exhibition Treespell (3:35pm, clearing not far from camp on the album Forest Meditation)
Reissuing my conversation with friend, writer, activist Bernadette Noll. We discuss type 8 in Helen Palmer’s book. This was taken down and I am adding it back with no end music.
The last chapter in the Helen Palmer book study. Type 9 discussion with fellow Vermonter Erica DeLorenzo. One of my favorite quotes of hers, “I love wanting what other people want.” I also liked talking about how anger “leaks” out of a 9. Hope you enjoy. Let me know what you think. End music is a fair use snippet of Garth Brooks “The Dance” because 9s show us how to do it.
Bernadette Noll is the author of Slow Family Living, the poem I Want to Age Like Sea Glass, and founder of Reduce, Reuse, Remake, an organization which finds ways to build community and cut back on consumption. She and I discuss the type 8 in Helen Palmer’s book The Enneagram, Understanding Yourself and Others in Your Life
Purchase Bernadette’s book for parents of young children in your life here:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/311596/slow-family-living-by-bernadette-noll/
I reference the book I am reading: The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible by Charles Eisenstein
For information on why I don’t want to use the word “inner city,” these articles are helpful:
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/inner-city-violence-in-the-age-of-mass-incarceration/382154/
https://www.urban.org/2016-analysis/problem-talking-about-inner-cities
End music is “Won’t Back Down” by Tom Petty
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I revisit Helen Palmer’s Chapter on Type 7 with my mom. My favorite comment “You can’t help your feelings, I can’t help my speed!”
end music is “My Cosmos is Mine” by Depeche Mode
Rachel Lomas — friend, political activist, great cook - an epicure for sure - joins me today in a conversation about Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 7
end music is Walking on a Dream by Empire of the Sun
My friend and the founder of the merry band of chainstitching geniuses at Ft Lonesome joins me again to discuss Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 6. My take away is that 6s are roving confirmation bias seekers/busters. Finding all the facts to support their ideas or finding all the facts that don’t. Also, Kathie’s idea of a knight in shining armor might have to be a series for each number. I love it.
When I said Russ Hudson had a word for 4s, I meant Claudio Naranjo used the word “vindictive”
When Kathie refers to IFS therapy, she is talking about Internal Family Systems therapy
The Jungian podcast we love is called The Salome Institute, led by Satya Doyle Byock (author of “Quarterlife”— an excellent gift for anyone in their 20s).
Tim Urban is the author Kathie refers to — he wrote “What’s our Problem” and Kathie recommends him on Lex Fridman podcast #360
The documentary on the NXIVM cult is called “Seduced”
The parable of the farmer is from the children’s book “Zen Shorts” by Jon Muth
end music is Doubt by Twenty One Pilots
I recorded Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 5 with my 5 husband Nathaniel
end music is Space Cowboy by Kacey Musgraves
Lillian Sims joins me in discussing Helen Palmer’s chapter on the type 5
out music is “Where is my Mind” sung by Tkay Maidza
My friend and jewelry designer Nak Armstrong joins me in nearly 2 hours of type 4 conversation, where I am pretty sure we successfully debunk any notions of sexiness in our type, thanks to the excellent ideas of Helen Palmer.
out music is patron saint of 4, Chopin’s Piano Concerto no. 2 in F Minor (of course!!!), Larghetto. This piece is one of my favorites and, to me, encompasses all the mercurial moodiness, beauty, longing and rage of type 4. Orchestra della Toscana, conductor, Daniele Rustioni
I felt compelled to take the opportunity to go through Helen Palmer’s chapter about 3s with my daughter Alabel. She modeled “polyphasic activity” by clipping her nails while podcasting with me!!! You will hear it. There are a few things I wish I had followed up on, but I can circle back.
end music is My Future by Billie Eilish
photo by Sarah Bork
My friend Griff Martin joins me to talk about Helen Palmer’s chapter on Type 3
end song is “Flames” by David Guetta and Sia
mentor and master Enneagram teacher Suzanne Stabile joins me in discussing Helen Palmer’s chapter on Type 2
podcast cover photo by Inti St Clair
end music is “Anyone Who Loves Me” by Charlotte Cardin
Friend and type 1 Eliza Hook joins me in reading and discussing the chapter “Point 1: The Perfectionist” in Helen Palmer’s book “The Enneagram: Understanding Yourself and the Others in Your Life”
end music is “Ful Stop” by Radiohead
Type 9 —Going with the Stream, the passion for comfort, psychological pachydermism
End music is “Can’t Believe The Way We Flow” by James Blake
TYPE 8 - Coming on Strong. Spicy! “The over-development of action in the service of struggling in a dangerous world….the impoverishment of tenderness…” End music is “The Distance” by Cake
Feeling spicy
Type 7 — Opportunistic Idealism. The rebellious diplomat. The Variety glutton. End music is Peggy Lee singing “Is That All There Is”
Type 6 —The Persecuted Persecutor
or we prefer the Problem Solver / Problem Seeker
End music is Courage to Change by Sia
Type 5 — Seeking Wholeness Through Isolation.
End Music is Solitary Daughter by Bedouine
Type 4 — Seeking Happiness Through Pain
Intro music is “Constant Craving” by K.D. Lang and out music is “Total Eclipse of the Heart” by Bonnie Tyler
We discuss Type 3 and Chapter 3 of Claudio Naranjo’s book Ennea-Type Structures. Naranjo titles this chapter “Success through Appearances” We liked his use of the word “simulator.” And we liked his very succinct phrase “substitution of appearance for self.”
Out music is “Adaptive Behavior” by by Jay Denham
I used the word “guru” facetiously in referring to Sam Harris and my great pleasure in using his app “Waking Up.” I love that man.
Ennea-Type 1 The Master of Virtue
The episode begins with Leigh quoting Rumi and a bit later she reads from Martha Beck’s The Way of Integrity. Later I reference a 1 character (Miles) in the book The Candy House by Jennifer Egan
End music is “United by Grief” by Kendrick Lamar
Portrait of my 1 friend Carl Stuart that I did in 2018
Listen to the second question on this video for Brene’s comments on perfectionism
Leigh and Elizabeth begin a book study of Claudio Naranjo’s book Ennea-Type Structures. This episode covers the foreword by E.J. Gold and Naranjo’s foreword. Music is “Looking for Love” by Chromatics
My daughter is home for spring break and joins us as a self pres 3, the counter type. A very hard number to type. My dear friend Sarita, a sexual 3, zooms in from Oahu. Listen to her soulful and grounding music!!! And my friend Lisa Reile, a social 3 who can make anything happen beautifully and fast, took time out of SXSW madness to record this with us. Song at the end is “Grace Kelly” by Mika. I hope this helps you. Please reach out to us with questions and comments. And please share!
Our own Leigh Jackson (self pres 9) and friend Austen Juul Hansen (social 9) discuss their instinctual variants. We also discuss sexual 9s. We encourage anyone who is a sexual 9 to reach out to us and tell us your experience.
Musician (and childhood friend of Elizabeth) Claire Holley (social 6), dear friend and founder of the epic Ft. Lonesome, Kathie Sever (self pres 6), and musician (and childhood friend of Elizabeth’s daughter) Susannah Joffe (sexual 6) share their insights on how their instincts play out in their number. All three guests are very talented and accomplished artists. It is a joy for us to shine a light on the bravery, exploration and deep creativity of type 6
Hosts Elizabeth Chapin and Leigh Jackson have a conversation with guest and friend George Patton, a self pres four. One take away is that for sexual 4, being seen for who you are lords over the fear of abandonment, and for self pres 4, the fear of abandonment lords over the desire to be seen. If you need a refresher on subtypes and instincts, listen to our episode 19 for an overview of these terms.
September 20, 2021
In this episode hosts Elizabeth Chapin and Leigh Jackson talk about the how the ideas of scarcity and abundance are experienced through the lens of your number
In this episode hosts Elizabeth Chapin and Leigh Jackson are joined by guests Elizabeth Pecore(Self-Preservation 7), Ruby Bowman(Sexual 7), and Rachel Lomas(Social 7) to explore the similarities and differences being the same type while also under the influence of each person’s specific dominant Instinct or Subtype.
Check out episode 19 to learn more about Instincts in depth and episode 7 to learn more about Type 7.
Elizabeth and Leigh have been apprentices of Enneagram master Suzanne Stabile. Their goal is to share this practical and transformational tool with others in a way that is narrative, inclusive and accessible.
Have a listen to Episode 1-10 if you haven’t, to get an introduction to the 9 types and overview of the Enneagram.
Introduction to subtypes and each guest
Elizabeth Pecore(Self-Preservation 7) - 10:00
Ruby Bowman(Sexual 7) - 32:15
Rachel Lomas(Social 7) - 46:27
Open conversation - 1.03.08
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In this episode podcast hosts Elizabeth Chapin and Leigh Jackson delve into the three Instincts; Self preservation, Sexual, and Social. The goal is balance, awareness, and your relationship with all three, and typically there is one instinct that is more dominant, one more in the middle, and one that is a blind spot.
Each Instinct is also broken down into three even more specific zones. By surveying a broad range of teachings and by attempting to integrate their own realizations, challenges, and how they personally relate to this level of work, Elizabeth and Leigh are able to expand and elaborate on this deeper aspect of the Enneagram that is separate from the types.
Elizabeth and Leigh have been apprentices of Enneagram master Suzanne Stabile. Their goal is to share this practical and transformational tool with others in a way that is narrative, inclusive and accessible. Have a listen to Episode 1-10 if you haven’t, to get an introduction to the 9 types and overview of the Enneagram.
An introduction to Instincts and their relative dominance
Self Preservation specifics and zones - 14:20
Sexual specifics and zones - 27:21
Social specifics and zones - 44:33
Closing comments - 1.00.10
Resources Mentioned
https://enneagrammaine.com/
https://www.beatricechestnut.com/
https://russhudson.com/
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This one-on-one with hosts Elizabeth Chapin and Leigh Jackson goes in depth to explore and help us understand the specific virtue of each Enneagram type.
They share and combine perspectives from many resources while relating their own realizations and personal experiences to paint a picture of the higher nature and essence of each type.
Elizabeth and Leigh have been apprentices of Enneagram master Suzanne Stabile. Their goal is to share this practical and transformational tool with others in a way that is narrative, inclusive and accessible.
Have a listen to Episode 1-10 if you haven’t, to get an introduction to the 9 types and overview of the Enneagram.
Intro - What are virtues?
Type 2 specifics - 09:21
Type 3 specifics - 19:46
Type 4 specifics - 25:22
Type 5 specifics - 32:58
Type 6 specifics - 42:50
Type 7 specifics - 52:09
Type 8 specifics - 1:02:18
Type 9 specifics - 1:08:44
Type 1 specifics - 1:17:26
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