The Fly Through - CRE: Recent Episodes
Jessica Mogilka
Jessica Mogilka explores corporate real estate trends, leaders and what's happening now through conversations with smart people about the latest thinking that affects physical space. Join the conversation! Find Jessica on LinkedIN at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/ #CRE #Minneapolis #commercial real estate #corporate real estate #real estate trends #office #industrial
I was joined by JLL's lead Life Sciences researcher, Amber Schiada. If you are interested in the big picture and hearing more about this, Amber is basically the best of the best. She leads JLL's industry research team and is responsible for the significant annual JLL Life Science Report.
Join me and Amber in this great conversation about Life Science and Real Estate!
Rebecca Charbauski, an Emmy-winning journalist, serves as Steelcase Brand Communications manager, reporting on global research exploring how people do their best work and how we can create places to help us all work better.
Our conversation hit on all those things and more. If you want the latest in thinking from one of the biggest names in furniture, listen to Rebecca's incredibly well-rounded and knowledgeable insights.
Show notes:
Steelcase Global Report https://www.steelcase.com/globalreport2022
Putting the Hybrid Office to the Test: https://www.steelcase.com/research/articles/topics/hybrid-work/putting-hybrid-office-test/
Rebecca's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccasapakie/
Jessica Mogilka's LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/
Welcome to what I am calling the second season of The Fly Through!
We're back with a great conversation with Bob Gardner, Founder and CEO of Gardner Builders.
Bob has always been incredibly thoughtful and intentional around how he built and envisioned his company - centered around valuing employees as the experts they are (and making sure they know they are valued), challenging folks in a good way and providing a positive environment for the whole team (and that team is not just employees, but suppliers, contractors, clients and partners).
Who better to discuss culture and leadership and how they have built their culture in a workforce that is all over the place - in an office, on job sites, remote - when so many people are also figuring out how to do that same thing?
Welcome again to Bob and thank you for joining me!
Find Bob:
www.gardnerbuilders.com
Bob's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-gardner-65b85/
Book recommendations: Traction and Setting the Table
Studio E: http://www.yourstudioe.com/
Find Jessica: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/
To celebrate May as Mental Health Awareness month, we are bringing you a conversation with Shawn Gaither, Principal and Senior Architect at DLR Group. We discussed Neurodiversity in the built environment, and how and why we should all include neurodiversity as part of the Diversity and Inclusion conversation.
I was struck in this conversation by the overlap of good design for inclusion, also means good design for all employees. Join Shawn Gaither and me for this important conversation.
Did we get something wrong? What did we miss? Reach out - you can find me on LinkedIN and Shawn's contact info is below.
Shawn P. Gaither, AIA, LEED AP
Senior Architect | Principal
sgaither@dlrgroup.com
DLR Group
Architecture Engineering Planning Interiors
o: 612-977-3500 | d: 612-977-2814 520 Nicollet Mall, Suite 200 Minneapolis, MN 55402 Find us at: dlrgroup.com | Instagram | LinkedIn
Joining me today is Bob Greenberg, President of the 614 Company and owner of Frog's Leap winery and Russ Nelson now retired founder of NTH, one of the first tenant representative only real estate firms in the country, and active mentor/board member/speaker.
Bob and Russ have known each other for years, so it made sense to ask them to join me together to share stories of how they both built their businesses. Key themes that came out of it : Honesty, trust, relationships, person to person (who gets to sit across the table anymore and just work out a deal on a handshake?) get involved (very involved) and of course - creativity.
Find Jessica at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/ . Let me know what you think and what else you'd like to hear about!
Drink wine from Bob's winery: www.frogsleap.com
Please welcome Kimarie Ankenbrand to the Fly Through. She is the JLL Market Leader for the Raleigh Durham market, after relocating there for the job from Dallas about 2 1/2 years ago.
Kimarie is one of my favorite people to bounce ideas off of (she always has great ideas) new ways of thinking about things and is always open to discussing what she's seeing and hearing - which is what we did on the podcast today.
We talked about taking big risks, daily calculated risks, getting out there and networking and reaching out and making the ask. Have a listen, and if you enjoy the podcast, please leave us a review or reach out on LinkedIN.
Find Jessica: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/
Find Kimarie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimarieankenbrand/
Show Notes:
Research Triangle Park: https://hub.rtp.org/
For those that don't know her, Erin Fitzgerald is a dynamic agency broker here in the Twin Cities that leads the market, and nation, with her focus on wellness and employee/human experience in an office building. Tune in to hear more about her creative, laser focus on creating a vision for space and what she sees in the continuing conversation about return to office.
Show Notes:
Find Jessica on LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/
Find Erin on LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fitzgerald-erin-e/
References:Gensler Research
SteeleCase Research
Fluid
Atmosphere
Nelson
NAIOP
Toast Masters
MNCrew
Ryan Severino, JLL's Chief Economist, joined me to discuss where his crystal ball is telling him the economy is going, when and what that means for the real estate market and decision making. His crystal ball is made of data models and lots of math that he uses to predict when the economy is going to get moving again and what that means for real estate markets.
And it's good news, folks. Ryan believes we are entering a six month time of risk and continued uncertainty - but the economy has already started to grow, and that means for real estate markets, we are in a period of opportunity.
Welcome to my first solo-cast. I riff on an interview with Ryan Severino and bring it into a shorter form episode about office real estate with a Twin Cities focus.
It's just me connecting the dots from what what I'm seeing in the Twin Cities market and the big economic talk.
Check out the solo-cast if you are interested in:
- Twin Cities Market office update
- What I'm seeing /what companies are doing
- Connecting to the macro economic outlook
- What does that mean you should do now?
((HINT: The big picture according to @ryan is POSITIVE!))
((HINT: It means that now is a time of opportunity))
Questions? Reach out to me on LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/
Welcome to the first in a new series I'm launching on the The Fly Through called - "Corporate Real Estate Leaders" where I talk with people on the corporate side of the real estate equation. These are the leaders that sit on the inside of companies, that are the key folks who guide their companies strategic real estate direction, execution, oversee expansion and contraction.
The first Corporate Real Estate Leader I had the honor to interview has been in real estate her entire career, and has a facilitating career track - from the Target Real Estate machine to the last 9 years as a Director of Real Estate at Canadian Pacific. Fast moving cutting edge retail to 150 year old railroad. Needless to say, it made for great conversation.
Kristine was a fun and great first guest for this series - and I'm thrilled to welcome her. If you enjoy these interviews and want to hear more, please recommend this to your friends and rate The Fly Through on iTunes - it actually does help.
Please welcome, Kristine Williams with Canadian Pacific to The Fly Through.
Jon Commers , mountains of data and why he's not too worried (yet) about AI taking over the human side of data analytics.
Jon is the founder and CEO of Visible City - they take various piles of the data out in the world and help make sense of it for companies in the physical and built environment. His team helps companies make data driven decisions and is answering the 'so what' question - adding that human interpretation of data points to drive towards answers and decisions and not just another data point.
Where the world of data is going, cutting edge trends that might make every space a usable space anytime and how data and analytics might change or support the crazy accelerated trends out there in the world.
Show Notes and Links:
Tulsa Remote Link - $$ to relocate to Tulsa and work remotely: https://tulsaremote.com/
Dror Poleg's book: Rethinking Real Estate
Sidewalk Labs Toronto: Toronto case with Google’s Sidewalk Labs
Jon's Contact information: www.visible.city
The Highland Bridge - the Ford Site Redevelopment in St Paul, MN - is 122 acres of a mixed use vision created over the last 15 years.
The Ryan Companies made the smart move and hired Maureen Michalski, a woman with a long resume in Twin Cities development to shepherd this one thru the complexities of developing a massive site with literally dozens of stakeholders and partners.
Maureen Michalski joined me to talk about the history and nuts and bolts of a true mixed use development - adding 3800 housing units and associated retail, parks, civic. She gives us a Master Class in developing a massive project and gives an overview of how we got here and where we're going on the biggest redevelopment in the Twin Cities right now.
Links:
Ryan's Site: https://www.ryancompanies.com/project/highland-bridge-ford-site-redevelopment
St Paul's Site: https://www.stpaul.gov/departments/planning-economic-development/planning/ford-sitehighland-bridge
Investors and building owners: How will the business model of buildings evolve? Ben Munn, JLL's leader of Flex joins me to discuss how flexibility can manifest in so many different ways in a corporate real estate portfolio for a company thru to flexibility and operating buildings as an owner and investor.
The future of Flex isn't only co-working, but it is a piece of it so we talk about that too.
A few links:
LINK to JLL's Report: COVID Impact Flexible Space: https://www.linkedin.com/smart-links/AQHq5sgxabURww
LINK to blog post that started co-working : http://codinginparadise.org/weblog/2005/08/coworking-community-for-developers-who.html
LINK to NYT article in 2008 describing a new phenomenon called co-working:
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/business/businessspecial2/20cowork.html
LINK to one of the world's largest Flexible space operators, IWG: IWG.com
Megan joined me to discuss one of the more pressing topics we see right now in commercial real estate - the future of the workplace. That really manifests as an exploration of the thought process: So I think I need an office; but some people are going to stay home, some days, some in the office."
Megan links the theoretic theory of the future of workplace to the real, actual planning and work that goes into deciding what to do with your office in 2020 and beyond.
I learned so much talking Megan, and I love her perspective from working with +300 different companies (and counting) on exactly these questions. Her knowledge and poise makes this one of my favorite interviews.
Notes:
Link to SHRM Survey: https://shrm.org/hr-today/trends-and-forecasting/research-and-surveys/Documents/FOR%20MEDIA%20SHRM%20CV19%20Return%20to%20Work%20HR%20data%20v4.pdf?_ga=2.114184387.557893980.1598820036-2017462302.1598820036
Link to Global Office Space Report June 2020: https://www.linkedin.com/smart-links/AQGLpWRz4DJssg
JLL Occupancy Benchmarking Report: https://www.linkedin.com/smart-links/AQF60b0czED3QQ
She sees about a 10% occupancy/utilization across the companies she is working with as of September 2020:
- All about the future conversation / planning
- Mobility Profiles by Worker (slide # 4) : https://www.linkedin.com/smart-links/AQGLpWRz4DJssg
- Outcomes of planning may be different, but the front end process is the same and the front end questions aren't changing. Outcomes are around flexibility.
Supply Chain and Logistics and the THREE big trends that JLL's head of Supply Chain and Logistics practice sees in this pandemic world.
Rich does a great job of making a topic like supply chain and logistics into a fascinating conversation that is all the more relevant given the spotlight on our global supply chains (empty store shelves anyone?) recently. Rich Thompson leads the Supply Chain and Logistics Solutions group at JLL. Rich was very early practitioner of Supply Chain Management - really as it was being defined as a practice. I hope you find this conversation as fascinating as I did!
Thank you all for coming, you can reach me Jessica Mogilka on LinkedIN or at www.theflythrough.com.
Contact:
Rich Thompson, Leader of the Global Supply Chain and Logistics Solutions team.
- rich.thompson@am.jll.com
- jll.com
Top 3 Trends he is seeing now:
- Risk Management
- E-Commerce acceleration
- Supply chain network redesign
Bonus Trends:
- Automation and AI
- Co-bots
- Regionalization
Casey Shultz, executive director of BetaMN joins me to discuss the world of Start Ups, how BETA incubates the next generation of entrepreneurs and how Casey's life has been intertwined with startup's after growing up in a small town in Alaska.
Casey has been loud and proud about her commitment to diversity and how the start up world (including Silicon Valley) can and must do better.
You can find Casey at BetaMN.org and you can find Jessica Mogilka on LinkedIN.
Links to the stuff we talked about:
BetaMN.org
gener8tor - www.gener8tor.com/
TechStars - https://www.techstars.com/
Lunar Start Ups - www.lunarstartups.org/
Y-Combinator - https://www.ycombinator.com/
One Desk - www.onedesk.com/
75F -- www.75f.io/
How to reach Casey and Beta:
hello@beta.mn
BetaMN pledge - https://blog.beta.mn/we-will-do-better
Elaine Rathmusen's LinkedIN: linkedin.com/in/y-elaine-rasmussen-21b4ba3
Casey's Favorite Restaurants (although the toddler is hampering her ability to get out much):
- Hyacinth on Grand
- Joe's on the Park is on the list to try!
Format switch today! Jessica is interviewed by Peter Frosch chief executive officer of GREATER MSP COVID related impacts on real estate in the Twin Cities and greater metro area.
Peter can be found at: Peter.Frosch@greatermsp.org
You can find Jessica on LinkedIN at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/ or send me an email at jessica.mogilka@am.jll.com
James Cook, JLL Americas Retail researcher joined me for a conversation about what and where and how -- all on retail and what they are facing and how they might recover. Who is winning?
James has two podcasts of his own - find him on all the podcast players:
Where We BuyandBuilding PlacesA big thank you to James for the insightful conversation!
You can find me, Jessica Mogilka, on LinkedIN or email me at jessica.mogilka@am.jll.com.
I was thrilled to welcome a woman who is one of the hottest designers/architects in Minneapolis. She founded her own firm, Studio BV, after deciding that she wanted to get back to hands on design work after spending years at a large architecture firm.
Studio BV has been on a tear for 4.5 years where they help companies build their own stories and Studio BV applies those stories to their brand, logos, physical office space, campuses. Besty Vohs exhibits a joy and a passion for her work that is enviable and contagious; and that shines thru to her many varied projects. Betsy and her team have designed restaurants, company headquarters for Ever Eve, Digi, and they work on pro-bono projects that feed the soul like Women Winning, a YMCA camp and so much more.
We discussed how and why she started her shop, BIG design and how it can change everything and what Betsy sees changing as we transition into that elusive new normal with COVID-19. You can find Betsy on her webside, studio-B-V.com .
We recorded this on March 10th, 2020 and if you enjoy hearing from Betsy and the Fly Through, please consider subscribing. Thank you so much for joining me on The Fly Through.
Show Notes:
- Art and design
- How Betsy started up Studio BV
- Design can change everything // Power of design
- Evereve office
- Digi office
- See Studio BV's work at: https://www.studio-b-v.com/our-work
- Culture and design
- How offices will change in the post pandemic world
- Surfaces
- Clean-ability
- Touch-less
- Cleaning protocols
- More space, possibly reevaluation of focus work being remote and office is for collaboration
- BOMA: https://www.boma.org/
- Fast and Furious:
- 3 design mistakes that make her cringe
- 3 things she cannot live without
- 3 places she loves and you should check out!
- The Foundry Home Goods: https://www.thefoundryhomegoods.com/
- FRGMT: Coffee shop at The Nordic: https://www.frgmntcoffee.com/
- Walker Art Museum, check out their online stuff: https://walkerart.org/
- Flotsum and Fork, Jessica's recommendation: https://www.flotsamandfork.com/
- Covet Consign: http://covetconsignanddesign.com/
Please welcome a multi-talented woman to The Fly Through. She is one of the original architects of the Target Store of Future back in the day, she's a retail expert, owner and creator of the Third Haus - a co-working/community built around retail and the thought leadership of her own podcast, Omni Talk and a website full of great and massively informative content. In her spare time, she owns 3 gyms and is an all around badass lady. I was thrilled to talk to Anne Mezzenga on The Fly Through.
We had way too much to talk about, so we focused on how grocery today is a bell weather for what other companies might be experiencing in the not too distant future - implementing technologies, creating safe workplaces for employees and clients, and supply chain challenges. A note that we recorded this episode on April 8th, 2020 - while shelter in place means that many of us experience the outside world via our trips to the grocery store.
Where to find Ann Mezzenga:
https://omnitalk.blog/
Kroger/Ocado video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuS0niWs0YY
Takeoff Technologies Micro-Fulfillment Center at Sedano's Grocery Store in Miami (this is Anne, filling real orders, seeing this for the first time, super simple to do. Each of the products from the orders arrives in the bins in front of me, and a screen above tells me how many ketchup bottles, for example, to put in the bag, then the bin disappears, and the next one comes down, and the screen tells me how many of the next product to put in the bag.)
https://youtu.be/uSoGD5hJSpA
Sam's Club Now store, Dallas: https://corporate.samsclub.com/blog/2018/10/29/sams-club-now-reimagining-the-future-of-retail
- Third Haus: Retail Community and Co-working: https://thirdhaus.com/en
- Don't forget Anne and team's podcast: Omni Talk, you can find it on all your podcast players
Ways you can help your small businesses!!!
- Keep your subscription/membership going
- Use your network to give them shout outs, publicity is a challenge in good times
- Buy what you can from them! Online? Go for it.
Where to find Jessica Mogilka: LinkedIn is easiest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicakmogilka/
or at JLL: https://www.us.jll.com/en/people/jessica-mogilka
Rex Miller joined me to discuss a broad and increasingly important concept of wellness in the work place. Rex is an expert in ROI, trust building and wellness in the workplace that he discussed in depth in his recent book, The Healthy Workplace Nudge. His thesis is that truly healthy employees are engaged, proactive, happy and productive - a win win for employers and employees. We talk about how wellness can be reflected in the built environment and small, thoughtful nudges can help support people's wellness in the workplace.
Please enjoy and hit subscribe to get all the latest and greatest in corporate real estate!
Show Notes:
Rex Miller: www.rexmiller.com
- Nudge Audit - offer from Rex, drop Jessica or Rex a note and he will send it over!
- WELL Bldg Standard: https://www.wellcertified.com/
- NREL (National Renewable Energy Lab): https://www.nrel.gov/
- Four Winds Interactive (FWI): https://www.fourwindsinteractive.com/
- https://rexmiller.com/books/ or search for Rex on amazon.com
- Q-12 engagement survey from Gallup: https://q12.gallup.com/public/en-us/Features
- WELL Conference: https://www.thewellconference.com/
Jessica Mogilka is a tenant rep specialist with JLL based in Minneapolis.
Contact her at any of the following:
theflythroughpodcast@gmail.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-mogilka-49666515/
Carolyn Bates, JLL Research lead for the Midwest, joined me. We discussed the soon to be released research for Q1 2020 - remember the time before the pandemic hit? They still track all that at JLL. More importantly, we discuss what is happening right about now - March 31st, 2020 that is, and while we aren't forecasting, we can share the conversations that are out there now about real estate and how folks are thinking about it.
As a fun follow up we reviewed trends that were definitely trends right around the new year, but are they anymore?
You can find Carolyn Bates at jll.com
You can find Jessica Mogilka at www.theflythrough.com or
Max Musicant joined me to discuss creative digital place making when people can't engage in traditional community when being physically together isn't possible.
Find Max at http://www.musicantgroup.com/covid.html
Jessica Mogilka is a tenant rep specialist based in Minneapolis.
Contact her at any of the following:
theflythroughpodcast@gmail.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-mogilka-49666515/
https://www.us.jll.com/en/people/jessica-mogilka