We Don't Talk About That with Lucas Land: Recent Episodes

Lucas Land

The podcast where we talk about things we're not supposed to, learn how to have difficult conversations, and talk to people about what makes them different.

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In this episode I talk to Erin Payseur Oeth about how to get beyond the binary in our discussions, being co-creators of the communities where we live, and we reveal the hidden truth that… the government is us!
Guest Plugs

What is Public Deliberation? By Erin Payseur Oeth – https://www.naspa.org/blog/what-is-public-deliberation-an-introduction
Baylor Public Deliberation Initiative: With a section on faith and deliberation for those in faith communities interested in this work – https://sites.baylor.edu/baylorpdi/

Show Notes

National Issues Forum: Valuable resource and issue guides to start conversations within your sphere of influence – https://www.nifi.org/
Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert Putnam – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/478.Bowling_Alone
League of Women Voters – https://www.vote411.org/
I Think You’re Wrong But I’m Listening by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth A Silvers: “Two friends on opposite sides of the aisle provide a practical guide to grace-filled political conversation while challenging readers to put relationship before policy and understanding before argument.” – https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/40591258
Pantsuit Politics Podcast – http://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/
Why Can't We Talk?: Christian Wisdom on Dialogue as a Habit of the Heart by John Backman: valuable guide on dialogue as a spiritual practice – https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/15893996
Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age by Sherry Turkel: great read on reclaiming empathy and skills to connect with each other and our humanity – http://www.reclaimingconversationbook.com

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In this episode I talk to Pastor Erica Lea Simka about LGBTQ identities and terminology, practice introducing myself with my pronouns, get corrected more than once, and we almost have an altar call when she tells me about the antidote to call out culture.
Show Notes

Resources for Allies – https://www.glaad.org/resources/ally/14
Transgender FAQ – https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender
Intersex Society of North America FAQ – https://isna.org/faq/
The Genderbread Person – https://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2018/10/the-genderbread-person-v4/
GLAAD Media Reference Guide – AP, Reuters & New York Times Style – https://www.glaad.org/reference/style
Human Rights Campaign Glossary of Terms – https://www.hrc.org/resources/glossary-of-terms
Q Christian Blog – https://www.qchristian.org/blog
Encountering Silence – https://encounteringsilence.com/
The Inclusive Bible – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2193503.The_Inclusive_Bible
Episode 6: Growing Up Cherokee, Lutheran, and Two-Spirit with Vance Blackfox – https://wdtatpodcast.com/podcast/6-growing-up-two-spirit-cherokee-and-lutheran-with-vance-blackfox/
I’m Queer And Indigenous, NOT Two Spirit – https://qveen.to/queer-indigenous-not-two-spirit/
Find An Affirming Church – https://www.gaychurch.org/
How to find a church that is safe for LGBTQ people – https://www.queertheology.com/churches-lgbt-affirming-welcoming-safe/
Church Clarity – https://www.churchclarity.org/

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In this episode I talk to Michael Evans about empathy, what it is and how it works. We also talk about our feelings, why dads are the MOST emotional, and develop our new brand… the Baptist Buddha!
Guest Plug

Empathy & Podcast – http://www.empathyand.com/

Show Notes

Ten Percent Happier Podcast: Kryptonite for the Inner Critic, Kristin Neff, PhD – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/209-kryptonite-for-inner-critic-self-compassion-series/id1087147821?i=1000453700663
Self Compassion – https://self-compassion.org/
The Power of Vulnerability by Brene Brown – https://youtu.be/iCvmsMzlF7o

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Lucas talks with sex therapist Julie Jeske about how to talk about sex, why it's so difficult, and what the BDSM kink community can teach all of us about how to improve our relationships!
Guest Plugs

Julie Jeske – http://juliejeske.com
Swoon Podcast – https://www.therapyden.com/blog/swoon

Show Notes

Therapy Den – http://therapyden.com
The Guide to Getting It On by Paul Joannides – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/72834.Guide_to_Getting_It_On_
Becoming Clitorate by Dr. Laurie Mintz – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31448995-becoming-cliterate

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Lucas talks to immigration lawyer Anali Looper about why people migrate to other countries, myths about immigration, and we get down and dirty with the nitty-gritty details of the immigration system.
Guest Plug

American Gateways – http://www.americangateways.org/

Show Notes

Southern Poverty Law Center Teaching Tolerance Curriculum – https://www.tolerance.org/about
Migration Policy Institute – https://www.migrationpolicy.org/
Immigration Resource Center- https://www.migrationusa.org/
National Immigration Law Center – https://www.nilc.org/
Neighbor to Neighbor South Bend – https://n2nsb.com/
Immigration Advocates Directory – https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/nonprofit/legaldirectory/
The Mind Online Podcast – https://www.tolerance.org/podcasts/the-mind-online

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In this episode I talk to Tommy Estlund about his podcast the Curiosity Hour, how we know when to block or unfriend someone, and why we don’t want to be like Marty McFly.
Guest Plugs

The Curiosity Hour Podcast – http://thecuriosityhourpodcast.com
Tommy Estlund on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/thomas.estlund

Show Notes:

Sea lioning – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Foreign Policy Article about the Counterinsurgency Manual in Iraq and Afghanistan – https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/01/counterinsurgency-field-manual-afghanistan-edition/
Conversations with People Who Hate Me Podcast – https://www.dylanmarron.com/podcast
Stamped From the Beginning by Ibram X. Kendi – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25898216-stamped-from-the-beginning
Ibram X. Kendi – https://www.ibramxkendi.com/
Seeing White Podcast – https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/

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Lucas talks to Pam Larrichia about unschooling, awkward conversations about parenting, and ways we can work on connecting more with our kids and each other.
Show Notes

Living Joyfully with Unschooling – https://livingjoyfully.ca/ 
Exploring Unschooling Podcast – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/exploring-unschooling/id1074379805 
Find Local Unschooling groups through Sue Patterson's website – https://unschoolingmom2mom.com/find-local-groups/

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In this episode I talk with Geoff Holsclaw about why Facebook arguments are like heroin, understanding the ways our brains work, and when we should have enemies.
Show Notes

The Neuroscience of Breaking Out of Negative Thinking (and How to Do It in Under 30 Seconds) https://www.inc.com/nate-klemp/try-this-neuroscience-based-technique-to-shift-your-mindset-from-negative-to-positive-in-30-seconds.html
The God With Us Podcast Kickstarter – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/godwithuspodcast/the-god-with-us-podcast
Does God Really Like Me? By Geoff and Cyd Holsclaw- https://www.ivpress.com/does-god-really-like-me
The Anatomy of the Soul by Curt Thompson – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8162755-anatomy-of-the-soul
The Soul of Shame by Curt Thompson – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24043208-the-soul-of-shame
Dr. Dan Siegel – https://www.drdansiegel.com/books/the_developing_mind/
Getting Past Your Past – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11974141-getting-past-your-past
Jim Wilder and Life Model Works – https://lifemodelworks.org/
Prayer of Examen – https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/ignatian-prayer/the-examen/how-can-i-pray/
Centering Prayer and Inner Awakening by Cynthia Bourgeault – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7583.Centering_Prayer_and_Inner_Awakening
Gratitude Journal – https://positivepsychology.com/gratitude-journal/
Enneagram – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality
Swoon – https://www.therapyden.com/blog/swoon

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Just a couple notes before this episode. This episode talks about addiction and recovery. We don’t dwell a lot on trauma, but we do mention some of the painful things that are often connected to it such as suicide and sexual assault. They are only briefly mentioned as examples of trauma, but I wanted to let you know that ahead of time in case those things are difficult to hear.
Also we had some technical issues and lost her three things at the end of the episode. Sorry Chris!
In this episode I talk to Christina Gibson about normalizing addiction and recovery, sitting with other people’s pain, and why I edit my podcast and she doesn’t.
Show Notes

The Roundabout Way Podcast – https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-roundabout-way
In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts by Gabor Mate – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/617702.In_the_Realm_of_Hungry_Ghosts
Johann Hari – https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong
Braving The Wilderness by Brene Brown – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34565022-braving-the-wilderness

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Lucas talks to Matthias Roberts about his new book Beyond Shame. Lucas also confesses that Matthias is his style guru and he has been stealing his haircut for years!
Show Notes

Matthias Roberts – https://matthiasroberts.com
Pre-Order and email receipt to beyondshamebook@gmail.com for bonus content and access to a course with Linda Cline and Matthias Roberts
Beyond Shame – http://www.beyondshamebook.com/
Q Christian Fellowship – https://www.qchristian.org/
Brene Brown – https://brenebrown.com/
Linda Kay Kline – https://lindakayklein.com/
Swoon – https://www.therapyden.com/blog/swoon
Say More About That – https://www.therapyden.com/blog/say-more-about-that

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In this episode I talk to C. Christopher Smith about what he has learned from over a decade of intentional conversations in his church, different ways to make our conversations better, and I solve the mystery of his first initial.
Show Notes

How the Body of Christ Talks by C. Christopher Smith – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43193118-how-the-body-of-christ-talks
Conversation Guide – http://c-christopher-smith.com
The Englewood Review of Books – http://englewoodreview.org/
Christian Century Article- https://www.christiancentury.org/article/critical-essay/becoming-a-neighborhood-church
Stone-Campbell movement – https://www.discipleshistory.org/history/brief-history-stone-campbell-tradition
Restoration Movement – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_Movement
Encountering Silence Podcast – https://encounteringsilence.com/
World Cafe – http://www.theworldcafe.com/key-concepts-resources/world-cafe-method/
Appreciative Inquiry – https://www.centerforappreciativeinquiry.net/more-on-ai/the-generic-processes-of-appreciative-inquiry/

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Lucas talks to author Tim Otto about being gay in Christian community, what we're afraid of, and finding love in all kinds of places!
Show Notes

Oriented to Faith by Tim Otto – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22812306-oriented-to-faith
Church of the Sojourners – https://churchofthesojourners.org/
Christian Intentional Community Handbook by David Janzen – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13592402-the-intentional-christian-community-handbook
The Friendship Factor: How to Get Closer to the People You Care for by Alan Loy McGinnis – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48664.The_Friendship_Factor
The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haight – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324722-the-righteous-mind
Taize Community – https://www.taize.fr/en
Saint Therese of Liseux – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9r%C3%A8se_of_Lisieux
Centering Prayer – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centering_prayer
Oriented to Love – https://www.evangelicalsforsocialaction.org/oriented-to-love/

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Lucas talks to Justin Tapp about lessons we have learned living in other countries, assumptions we bring to dialogue, and the line between having convictions and keeping an open mind!
Show Notes:

God The Economist by M. Douglas Meeks – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/601496.God_the_Economist
Strengths Finder – https://www.gallupstrengthscenter.com/home/en-us/strengthsfinder
Reddit Change My View – https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/
Lincoln-Douglas Debates – https://www.britannica.com/event/Lincoln-Douglas-debates
2003 California governor recall election –https://www.voanews.com/archive/almost-200-candidates-file-california-governors-race-2003-08-11
Why Nations Fail by Daron Acemoğlu and James A. Robinson – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12158480-why-nations-fail
Debt: The First 5,000 Years by David Graeber – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6617037-debt
New Ideas From Dead Economists by Todd G. Buchholz – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/569464.New_Ideas_from_Dead_Economists
Good Intentions: Nine Hot-Button Issues Viewed Through the Eyes of Faith by Charles M. North – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2496381.Good_Intentions

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In this episode I answer your questions about things that make the holiday season difficult. You all sent in some great questions and I hope that the answers will help make your holidays a little better this year.
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Buy Nothing Day – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_Nothing_Day
Buy Nothing Christmas – https://www.facebook.com/buynothingchristmas/

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Lucas talks with Ashley Bean Thornton about working with the community, the role of experts, and how to invite mean people to breakfast.
Show Notes

Hurricane Katrina Recovery and History – https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/natural-disasters/reference/hurricane-katrina/
How to Be Everything by Emilie Wapnick – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31307672-how-to-be-everything
The Powers That Be by Walter Wink – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62029.The_Powers_That_Be
Big Green Egg (Not a sponsor…yet!) – http://biggreenegg.com
Act Locally Waco – https://www.actlocallywaco.org/
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36072.The_7_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People

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This is a bonus episode about the holidays, what makes it difficult, and hopefully something to lift our spirits and give us hope in what is a hard time for many people.
Halloween is over. Holiday decorations and Christmas stuff have been on the shelves for a couple months now. Most of us have some mixed feelings about the weeks and months ahead. For some of us, Christmas was magical when we were growing up, full of wonder and surprise. We grow up and that magic fades for a lot of reasons. Life gets hard and busy and messy, but we still long for, hope for a spark of those moments to break into our lives during this season. Sometimes we try so hard to make it happen, to create the magic, for ourselves or for our children that we end up with just stress and anxiety.
For others, the holiday season just serves as a reminder of so many things that are wrong or broken. It’s a reminder of the people that are missing from the dinner table for one reason or another, the people we have lost, those who were taken by tragedies, or diseases, or just time, those who left by suicide, those who are lost in their addictions. No matter what happened, there is an absence that lingers in the air whether we talk about it or not.
For some this time that is idealized as one of welcome and belonging feels more like rejection and loneliness. We don’t live up to the expectations of our families or loved ones in some way or another and we feel acutely our differences and our unwelcome. We long for connection, but find instead isolation and heartbreak.
For some of us maybe it doesn’t feel so tragic, but we are uncomfortable. We feel uneasy with the materialism of the season. We can’t afford the kind of season that our kids have come to expect. We’re worried about money, but don’t want it to ruin the festivities. We don’t know how to respond when our relative inevitably says something offensive or that makes us uncomfortable. We are tired of listening to it, but don’t want to pick a fight.
For these and so many reasons we can feel like we are hanging by a thread during this time. The smallest thing might unleash emotions in a torrent of tears or obscenities. We can feel fragile and unsure of what to do. We hope that we can at least survive, get through the worst of it, and try to forget about it until next year.
Maybe there are some things we can do to try and make the holidays a little better, one small step at a time, with realistic expectations.
I want to share a story that might help. It’s called The Christmas Shoes… just kidding… that’s a terrible story and very problematic. Sorry, not sorry, if you really like that story, but maybe that’s a topic for another episode…
I have found some solace in the story of Santa Claus… No, not that guy on the Coca-Cola can… not the Miracle on 34th Street guy either… not even the Kurt Russel version from The Christmas Chronicles… that one was kind of fun though.
No… I’m talking about Saint Nicholas. The real historical figure who lived during the third century in a village called Patara in what is now the country of Turkey. That’s right the real life Santa Claus was also a Middle Eastern guy who looked a lot more like the bad guys in most 80s action movies than Ed Asner or Tim Allen.
“His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus’ words to “sell what you own and give the money to the poor,” Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known for his generosity to those in need and his love for children.”
When I had kids, I wanted to find ways to make the holiday season more meaningful for us as a family. One of the things I decided to do was tell them about the real historical Saint Nicholas. It was my way of getting out of the question about what to tell them about Santa Claus.

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Lucas talks to long-time friend Gary Goodson about the hard conversations they've had over the years and doctrines for their new religion. Gary is the first person to have to be censored on the show to keep it family-friendly!
Show Notes

The New Atheists – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism
The Believing Brain by Michael Shermer – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9754534-the-believing-brain
Phil Plait – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Plait
Skeptics Guide to the Universe Podcast – https://www.theskepticsguide.org/
Cognitive Biases – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
Against the Rules with Michael Lewis – https://atrpodcast.com/

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Lucas talks to international conflict mediator and consultant Elise Willer about her work, tips and tricks for dealing with conflict, and the little man that lives inside me.
Show Notes:

Border Immersion Experience – http://iglesiacristorey.wixsite.com/borderimmersion
Annunciation House – https://annunciationhouse.org/
Praise Sandwich – https://www.rightattitudes.com/2008/02/20/sandwich-feedback-technique/
The Inner Observer – https://ieaninepoints.com/2018/10/22/inner-observer-practice
Difficult Conversations by Doug Stone – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/774088.Difficult_Conversations
The Ladder of Inference by Chris Argyris – https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTMC_91.htm
Interspace Negotiation or Bargaining – https://healthtrustpg.com/professional-development/resolving-conflict-and-negotiating-for-change/
Getting to Yes! by Roger Fisher – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/313605.Getting_to_Yes

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Luis Matias Cruz talks about growing up Zapotec, moving to the city, falling in love, and moving to the US.

Show Notes

Zapotec – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapotec_peoples
Monte Alban – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Alb%C3%A1n
Ethnocide – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide
Tribal Nations Maps http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/
Native Lands App https://native-land.ca/
Even the Rain (También La Lluvia) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1422032/
México Profundo: Reclaiming a Civilization by Guillermo Bonfil Batalla https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/525381.M_xico_Profundo
Repression and Rebellions in Southern Mexico – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13221911-repression-and-rebellions-in-southern-mexico
Cambas – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camba
Collas – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qulla
Arthur Gish – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Gish
People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2767.A_People_s_History_of_the_United_States

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Luis Matias Cruz talks about growing up Zapotec, moving to the city, falling in love, and moving to the US.

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Zapotec – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapotec_peoples
Monte Alban – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Alb%C3%A1n
Ethnocide – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide
Tribal Nations Maps http://www.tribalnationsmaps.com/
Native Lands App https://native-land.ca/
Even the Rain (También La Lluvia) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1422032/
México Profundo: Reclaiming a Civilization by Guillermo Bonfil Batalla https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/525381.M_xico_Profundo
Repression and Rebellions in Southern Mexico – https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13221911-repression-and-rebellions-in-southern-mexico
Cambas – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camba
Collas – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qulla
Arthur Gish – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Gish
People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2767.A_People_s_History_of_the_United_States

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Amanda Moore shares her journey with chronic illness, helps us with what to say and what NOT to say, and educates us on inspiration porn. Asking questions is a kindness!

Show Notes

Briars in the Cotton Patch https://www.briarsdocumentary.com/
Koinonia Farm http://koinoniafarm.org or https://youtu.be/GXjL5J3toHY
Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/what-is-eds/
Everything Happens with Kate Bowler https://katebowler.com/podcasts/
Jameela Jamil https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3553139/
Inspiration Porn with Stella Young at TEDxSydney 2014 https://youtu.be/SxrS7-I_sMQ
Zebras – https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/why-the-zebra/
For Memes and such – Amanda Moore Facebook page https://m.facebook.com/amanda.moore.336
How to avoid using ableist language http://deareverybody.hollandbloorview.ca/resources/tips-and-tools/how-to-avoid-using-ableist-language/
Ableism – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableism
The Mighty https://themighty.com/
Email Amanda Moore amanda@koinoniafarm.org

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Lucas gets corrected by Vance Blackfox for not listening close enough. We learn about the history of the Two-Spirit movement and what it’s like to grow up Cherokee, Lutheran, and Two-Spirit!

Show Notes

Two Spirits, One Heart, Five Genders https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/two-spirits-one-heart-five-genders-9UH_xnbfVEWQHWkjNn0rQQ/
Two-Spirit Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
Tales of the City https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106148/
Tales of the City 2019 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7087260/
List of Resources from Vance Blackfox https://nativephilanthropy.org/truthandhealing/toolkit-2/
Other+Wise http://otherwise.red
Native Americans in Philanthropy https://nativephilanthropy.org/
This Land Podcast https://crooked.com/podcast-series/this-land/

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Lucas talks to filmmaker Lucy D’Cruz about her film My Body, Their Choice about the abortion debate in Argentina. We discuss Argentina’s “La Loca del Bebito” or Crazy Baby Lady and ways we can try to have better dialogue and understanding about abortion, the sacredness of life, and women’s health.
Links for the Documentary Abortion: My Body, Their Choice:
Campaign: https://igg.me/at/mybodytheirchoice
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mybodytheirchoice/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mybodytheirchoice/ @mybodytheirchoice
Twitter: https://twitter.com/My_Body_Film @My_Body_Film
Show Notes

The World’s Abortion Laws – https://reproductiverights.org/worldabortionlaws
Just Facts article on Abortion – https://www.justfacts.com/abortion.asp
Hesperian Health Guides – https://www.ipas.org/news/2019/March/hesperian-health-guides-launches-multilingual-safe-abortion-app
Abortion in Argentina – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Argentina
Abortion in Bolivia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Bolivia
Ni Una Menos (Not One Less) Campaign – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni_una_menos
2016 Reuters article about My Body, My Choice Ireland campaign – https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ireland-abortion/thousands-march-in-dublin-abroad-for-irish-abortion-rights-idUSKCN11U0J2
YouTube: The Bubbles' W.T.F. 01: "The Crazy Baby Lady" – https://youtu.be/pw0XquW9Kaw
The Ectopic Pregnancy Trust – https://ectopic.org.uk/
Family Planning Association – https://www.fpa.org.uk/
Planned Parenthood – https://www.plannedparenthood.org/

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In this episode Lucas talks to Dr. Renee Turner about parenting after significant loss, debunking myths about dealing with grief, how to be a "good enough" parent, and whether he will be billed for this super helpful episode!
Show Notes: 

Brene Brown Empathy vs Sympathy – https://youtu.be/1Evwgu369Jw
Brene Brown The Power of Vulnerability – https://youtu.be/iCvmsMzlF7o
The Dougy Center: The National Center for Grieving Children and Families – https://www.dougy.org/
National Alliance for Grieving Children – http://childrengrieve.org
Good Grief – https://www.goodgrief.org.au/
Dr. Renee Turner’s website – http://drreneeturner.com
Dr. Renee Turner email – rturner@umhb.edu

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Lucas talks to Joyfrida Anindo about what it was like growing up in Kenya and whether or not she had a pet giraffe. What it was like becoming a parent and inevitably becoming like your parents! Living and learning with volunteers from around the world, and navigating the cultural waters. We also discuss Black Panther and whether DC or Marvel is better.

Show Notes:

Black Panther (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1825683/)
Serve with Mennonite Central Committee https://mcc.org/get-involved/serve
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie https://www.chimamanda.com/
The Danger of a Single Story: Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie https://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story
Chinua Achebe https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8051.Chinua_Achebe
Binyavanga Wainaina https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/681372.Binyavanga_Wainaina
How Not to Write About Africa by Binyavanga Wainaina https://youtu.be/c-jSQD5FVxE
Planet Binya has an incredible collection of writing, audio and video of Binyavanga Wainaina https://planetbinya.org/
Ngugi Wathiogo https://ngugiwathiongo.com/
Ken Saro-Wiwa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Saro-Wiwa
Meja Mwangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meja_Mwangi
Red Nile: A Biography of the World’s Greatest River by Robert Twigger (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20613764-red-nile)
Joy Anindo on Twitter https://twitter.com/JoyJoyancel
Joy Anindo on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/joyjoyancel/
Joy Anindo on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/joyjoyancel
Joy Anindo Poetry and Short Storieshttp://joywrite.wordpress.com

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Lucas talks to Rev Samuel Doyle of Greater New Light Baptist Church about seeing different sides of the abortion debate, growing up in Detroit, and attempting an experiment to switch sides on LGBTQ inclusion in the church.

Show Notes:

Wesleyan Quadrilateral – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesleyan_Quadrilateral
Q Christian Fellowship https://www.qchristian.org
Isaiah Robertson – Emmaus – Rise of the BEvangelical https://www.facebook.com/EmmausBlog/photos/a.1153499214827223/1209423372568140/

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Kelly and Lucas discuss Nonviolent Communication, the 4-part process, feelings, needs, and why Lucas’ feet smell bad.

Show Notes

Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/71730.Nonviolent_Communication
Respectful Parents, Respectful Kids by Sura Hart, Victoria Kindle Hodson https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1342248.Respectful_Parents_Respectful_Kids
Nonviolent Communication 4 Part Process – https://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/aboutnvc/4partprocess.htm
Feelings and Needs List – https://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/pdf_files/feelings_needs.pdf
The Center for Nonviolent Communication https://www.cnvc.org/
Free Resources on Nonviolent Communication https://www.nonviolentcommunication.com/freeresources/resources.htm

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A taste of what’s to come in Season 1 of We Don’t Talk About That with Lucas Land!

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This is an introduction to the ideas and themes of We Don’t Talk About That with Lucas Land! We hope you enjoy it and will go with us on this journey to explore our differences and how to talk about them! In this episode we talked about what this podcast is about, why we need to learn to have hard conversations, my encounter with Floyd over a compost pile, and the documentary Won’t You be My Neighbor?
Show Notes:

Edible Lawns Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/ediblelawns/
Trailer: Won’t You Be My Neighbor? https://youtu.be/FhwktRDG_aQ
Won’t You Be My Neighbor? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7681902

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