Outside of Sunday: Recent Episodes
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Following our chat with Chantelle Baker, we're reflecting on what it means to navigate politics, disagreement and public controversy as followers of Christ.
In this episode, we share some of our own thoughts on what Scripture says about authority, forgiveness and righteous anger. We're also talking about the importance of listening and extending grace to those we disagree with.
Whether you agreed with everything discussed in our conversation with Chantelle or not, our hope is that this episode encourages you to love the person more than the politics, pursue truth with humility, and keep Jesus as your example.
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Click here to watch our episodes with Stacey on abortion.
0:40 – Welcome
1:20 – Reacting to a Viral Video
9:31 – Recapping on our chat with Chantelle Baker
10:09 – Laura's Thoughts: Then (2022) vs Now (2026)
11:14 – Elon Musk on "Right-Wing" Values
12:43 – Our Reaction to the Wellington Protest
17:20 – Backlash in My DMs
19:11 – Practicing Love and Grace in Disagreement
20:30 – What Does the Bible Say?
21:14 – Righteous Anger: Should Christians Be Angry?
24:02 – What Do We Do with That Anger?
27:51 – God Establishes Earthly Authority
29:20 – When We Must Obey God Rather Than Man
30:42 – Pray for Those in Authority
32:36 – What's More Important: The Person or Their Politics?
35:31 – How Do We Love People We Disagree With?
37:38 – Jesus' Example of Loving Through Disagreement
41:30 – Our Final Challenge: Pray and Act
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In Part 3 of our conversation with Chantelle Baker, we explore some of the most challenging experiences she's faced over recent years.
Chantelle reflects on her time reporting from Ukraine, the backlash that followed, and why she believes it changed her perspective on war and human suffering. She also shares why she chose to take legal action against the New Zealand Herald and Stuff, what motivated that decision, and what she hopes it will achieve.
The conversation finishes by looking at the intersection of faith and politics. What role should Christians play in public life? How should believers approach elections, truth, and standing up for their convictions? And what practical action can Christians take in their own communities?
Whether or not you agree with everything discussed, we hope this conversation encourages thoughtful reflection, gracious dialogue, and a deeper desire to follow Christ faithfully in every area of life.
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0:53 – In Ukraine
1:15 – Reports she is a Russian spy
6:53 – What were the people saying on the street?
7:57 – What has impacted you the most reflecting on your time in Ukraine?
10:35 – Bringing lawsuits against the NZ Herald and Stuff.co.nz
11:54 – Deciding to sue
15:35 – Why not let it go?
19:10 – How do you deal with people hating you so violently?
20:43 – What impact does your faith have on your politics?
21:07 – What is the action Christians should do?
23:33 – Advice for Christians around voting
28:48 – Final thought: We are capable of so much more
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The 2022 Parliament protest became one of the most significant and divisive events in New Zealand's recent history. But what was it like to be there?
In Part 2 of our conversation, Chantelle Baker shares her firsthand account of the protest, reflects on the media coverage and political response, and responds to some of the biggest claims surrounding those 23 days. We also discuss the importance of treating those we disagree with as human beings, the role of prayer and action for Christians, and how the events at Parliament eventually led Chantelle to travel to Ukraine.
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2:00 – What sparked the Wellington protest?
3:32 – Invited to cover the protest from Christchurch to Picton
5:26 – On the ground in Wellington
11:20 – Violence and claims of protesters throwing faeces at police
12:26 – What could have ended the protest sooner?
14:30 – "Russian plant?"
15:33 – Did the protest achieve its goal?
17:06 – What do you hope people remember?
18:22 – Political violence and double standards
19:44 – The way forward: God and prayer
21:08 – Prayer and action
22:56 – Why you should get off social media
25:21 – Why Chantelle went to Ukraine
27:51 – What was the goal in Ukraine?
30:26 – Coming up in Part 3
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Chantelle Baker became one of New Zealand's most recognisable - and controversial - public figures during the COVID years. But behind the headlines, who is she really?
In Part 1 of this conversation, Chantelle reflects on life before the spotlight, what it's like being labelled a "conspiracy theorist," whether trust in the media and politicians can be restored, and how a Christian upbringing eventually led her back to God. She also shares the experiences that ultimately set her on the road to the Parliament protest.
In Part 2, Chantelle takes us inside the Parliament protest itself, sharing what she witnessed and responding to some of the biggest claims surrounding those events.
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0:00 – Coming Up
0:40 – Welcome
1:18 – About Chantelle
3:33 – What Chantelle Thinks About Being Labelled a "Conspiracy Theorist"
8:42 – How Politicians Can Win Back Trust
11:55 – At the Parliament Protest
14:04 – Chantelle's Upbringing
17:24 – Christian Influence From Her Parents
18:18 – Coming Back to God
21:55 – The Road to the Parliament Protest
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In this Insights episode, Laura and I reflect on Part 2 of our conversation with Paris Vashti, unpacking some of the questions that came up around healing, miracles, prayer and the work of the Holy Spirit. We have an honest conversation about the tensions Christians often wrestle with - from being cautious because of counterfeits, to potentially missing out on biblical practices like prayer, laying on of hands and seeking God for healing.
We discuss the importance of holding onto Scripture, approaching spiritual gifts with humility, and trusting God even if we don't get the answer we are longing for. We also reflect on the tragic death of Ann Widdecombe and what it means to count the cost of following Christ in an increasingly hostile culture.
Above all, this conversation is a reminder that the Holy Spirit is not someone to fear or dismiss, but someone God has given to lead, comfort and empower believers - and that the greatest miracle of all remains salvation through Jesus Christ.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:40 - Welcome
1:03 - Ann Widdecombe's death & counting the cost of following Christ
8:56 - Recap: Part 2 with Paris Vashti
9:51 - "I'm the skeptic" - Laura's honest reaction
12:40 - Counterfeits, charlatans & genuine moves of the Holy Spirit
16:30 - Is praying for healing any different from praying for anything else?
17:40 - Have we forgotten to ask? The biblical call to pray
21:35 - Healing, faith & avoiding misplaced guilt
23:28 - When will complete healing come?
28:38 - Salvation is the greatest miracle
30:20 - Manifestations, discernment & biblical truth
32:30 - What does the Bible teach about laying on of hands?
35:49 - What if God doesn't heal?
40:38 - Don't neglect the Holy Spirit
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In Part 2 of our conversation with Paris, after sharing her own miraculous healing journey, Paris opens up about why some people experience healing while others continue to wait, what it looks like to trust God through suffering, and why she believes Christians should continue praying boldly and believing that God still moves today.
Paris also shares remarkable stories of healing she's witnessed firsthand, the heart behind her Yesterday, Today and Forever project, and why she's unashamed to share her faith publicly. The episode finishes with a powerful encouragement to carry the name of Jesus into everyday life and a heartfelt prayer for anyone believing God for healing, freedom or renewed hope.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:32 - Revelation and desperation
1:41 - Encouragement to those needing healing
3:41 - Is it a matter of 'if' or 'when' God will heal?
6:11 - Trusting God in the waiting
10:19 - Yesterday, Today and Forever social media project and Ministry and Miracles15:01 - Why are these miracles happening?
18:06 - Who is getting healed?
20:13 - What makes Paris so willing to be so public with her faith?
22:53 - Creative/Christian influences
25:46 - Final thoughts from Paris
27:35 - Healing at school
31:04 - How does Paris live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this Insights episode, we reflect on the huge response to our recent conversation and social media content with Henare Whaanga, and why it's so important to weigh everything against Scripture and truth rather than assumptions.
We also unpack Paris Vashti's testimony about one comment that left her believing she was worshipping God "wrong" for years. It leads us into a deeper conversation about what biblical worship really is, why our words carry so much weight, and how we can honour God both online and in everyday life.
Whether you're navigating disagreements, wrestling with worship, or simply wanting to grow in your walk with Jesus, we hope this conversation encourages you!
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0:41 - Welcome
1:03 - Reacting to the response to Henare's episode
4:15 - Social media is not the church
4:36 - Jesus before culture
5:12 - Why conversations like this take time
6:44 - Trolls, grace & disagreeing well
10:09 - Answering the Doctrine of Discovery claim
13:19 - Welcome to Outside of Sunday
16:04 - We are not your pastors
17:11 - Paris Vashti recap
17:53 - Laura's biggest takeaway
19:50 - What is worship?
26:07 - We were made to worship
27:39 - Is there a wrong way to worship God?
28:44 - Should Christians raise their hands in worship?
31:37 - Worship starts with the heart
34:54 - What's coming up & this week's challenge
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Growing up as a pastor's kid, Paris Vashti loved Jesus - but after one comment at a Christian conference, she spent years believing she was "worshipping wrong." What followed was a long battle with fear, insecurity, and feeling unable to freely worship God.
Later, chronic migraines turned her world upside down. After years of daily pain, hospital visits, scans, and unanswered questions, Paris reached the end of herself. With nowhere else to turn, she cried out to God - and what happened next changed everything.
In this episode, Paris shares her powerful testimony of freedom, healing, and discovering what it truly means to surrender every part of your life to Christ.
Whether you're struggling to worship, waiting on God for healing, or simply need encouragement to keep trusting Him, I pray this conversation strengthens your faith today.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:38 – Meet Paris
1:40 – Creativity, ministry & life
2:35 – Creating for the Kingdom
5:30 – Christian fashion & art
8:08 – Growing up in a pastor's home
9:00 – Parents who lived their faith
10:00 – Choosing Jesus for herself
11:00 – The comment that silenced her worship
14:16 – God spoke audibly
20:04 – How to worship when it's hard
22:40 – Did she ever question her faith?
24:40 – A legacy of faithful parenting
26:09 – Three years of debilitating migraines
33:05 – Inside an Encounter Night
33:33 – Her miraculous healing
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This week Laura and I tackle a couple of topics we've genuinely been wrestling with. We discuss Brian Tamaki's suspended firearms licence, what role Christians should play in politics, and whether we're called to fight for our beliefs—or faithfully suffer for them.
We also reflect on part two of my conversation with Henare Whaanga, including his thoughts on Matariki, Māori culture, and why Christians need to think carefully about the traditions we embrace. I'd love to hear your thoughts, but above all, my prayer is that this episode encourages you to seek the Lord, search His Word, and let Him shape your convictions.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:57 - What’s going on: Brian Tamaki looses his gun license
5:43 - How should we respond as Christians to political issues
19:19 - Recap on Part 2 of our chat with Henare Whaanga
22:00 - Our reflections on Henare’s episodes and not celebrating Matariki
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In Part 2 of our conversation with Henare Whaanga, we move into some of the practical questions New Zealand Christians are wrestling with today.
Should Christians celebrate Matariki? What does Toitū te Tiriti actually mean? How should believers respond when they're expected to participate in Māori religious practices at work, school, or community events?
Henare also shares his own journey after returning to Christ, including a season where he rejected his Māori identity entirely, before discovering that following Jesus doesn't require abandoning your culture completely, rather, letting go of anything that conflicts with Him.
Whether we're Māori, Pākehā, or simply wanting to better understand these conversations, I hope this episode equips us to think biblically, grow in grace, and become more like Christ.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:49 – Henare rejected his Māori identity after returning to Christ
2:20 – Can Māori culture and Christian faith be reconciled?
3:57 – What is the way forward for the Church?
5:44 – Henare's thoughts on historically stolen land
12:02 – Has God revealed Himself through Māori traditions?
20:19 – Where did the Māori names for God and Jesus come from?
25:09 – Should Christians celebrate Matariki?
32:11 – What does Toitū te Tiriti mean?
33:37 – Practical advice for Christians navigating Māori religious practices
38:45 – Can the spiritual and apologetics work together?
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I chat through a couple of topics that have been getting a lot of people talking lately: viral conversions and what it really means to keep Christ above culture.
We start by discussing Alex Reads Tarot's recent testimony and what the Bible shows us about genuine repentance. How should we respond when someone publicly professes faith? What do we do when people later walk away? Looking at examples from Scripture, we unpack why discernment matters and how we can celebrate what God is doing without jumping to conclusions either way.
We also spend some time reflecting on part one of our conversation with Henare Whaanga, talking about why, as Christians, we should always see the world through the lens of Christ. From culture and identity to history and tradition, we explore why God's Word has to be our foundation. We even touch on the fascinating role missionaries played in preserving the written Māori language.
If you've ever wrestled with these kinds of questions or wondered how to navigate them biblically, we hope this conversation encourages you to keep coming back to Christ and His Word above everything else.
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- 0:00 – Coming up
- 0:40 – Welcome
- 3:09 – Alex Reads Tarot's testimony and genuine repentance
- 11:49 – What do we do with 'fake' conversions?
- 15:09 – What Acts teaches us about genuine conversion
- 16:30 – Fellowship follows faith and responding when someone walks away
- 19:50 – Reflections on Henare Whaanga (Part 1)
- 24:49 – Wrestling with our emotions in difficult conversations
- 25:14 – Why Christ must always be above culture
- 31:59 – The missionaries' role in preserving the written Māori language
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Last year, I had the privilege of interviewing Henare at the Thinking Matters Conference. Clips from that conversation reached hundreds of thousands online, sparking passionate discussion from people on all sides. Recently, Henare joined me again to unpack some of the biggest questions surrounding Māori identity, Christianity, and colonisation - and to respond to some of the criticism.
In the first of this two-part conversation with Henare, we revisit some of the biggest objections raised by viewers. Together we explore whether Māori were forced to speak English, whether Christianity was simply a strategic tool of colonisation, and whether whakapapa and Christian faith can coexist.
This conversation goes beyond history. We talk about the emotions that surface when reflecting on past injustices, what healing can look like, and why pursuing truth matters - even when the conversation is difficult.
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0:00 – Coming up
1:23 – Watch Henare's previous episode
1:48 – How Henare has handled the viral response
2:31 – Catching up with Henare
5:04 – Objection: Māori were forced to speak English
22:26 – Objection: Religion was a strategic tactic partnered with colonisation
27:25 – Objection: Christianity cannot exist alongside Te Ao Māori because of whakapapa
32:01 – What does it mean to "Reindigenise"?
35:43 – Processing the emotions surrounding past injustices
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In this special 200th episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I sit down for another Insights conversation as we reflect on some of the themes that surfaced in part two of Sonia Barrish's testimony and unpack a topic that keeps coming up again and again: our tendency to rely on ourselves instead of God.
We begin by talking about the recent backlash surrounding Israel Folau and the double standard Christians often face in today's culture. From there, we discuss why the more our world rejects Christianity, the more it risks losing some of the very things that have brought hope, dignity and goodness to society.
We also revisit Sonia's story and have an honest conversation about sleep deprivation, mental health struggles, and Laura's own experience with insomnia. We talk about the reality that Christians are not immune to seasons of exhaustion, anxiety, or suffering, and why biblical lament is such an important practice during those times.
Throughout this episode, we keep coming back to one simple truth: there is no self-sufficiency in Christianity. In fact, nothing in all of creation was designed to sustain itself. The only way we can be spiritually sustained is by remaining close to God.
If you've been trying to carry everything in your own strength, my hope is that this episode reminds you that you were never meant to do life alone.
Thank you for being part of these first 200 episodes. Whether you've been listening from the beginning or have only just joined us, we're so grateful you're here. 🤍
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0:00 - Coming up
0:40 - Welcome to the 200th episode
5:37 - What's going on? Israel Folau's fresh cancellation
7:40 - The double standard for Christians
10:12 - The more the world rejects Christianity, the more the world loses the best things that ever happened to it
18:54 - Recap on part two of our chat with Sonia
19:27 - Wrestling over posting a reel about the episode
22:34 - Our natural tendency to rely on ourselves rather than God
24:46 - How serious is sleep deprivation?
25:47 - Laura's struggle with insomnia
30:12 - Christians can have mental health struggles
31:06 - About lamenting
34:26 - There is no self-sufficiency in Christianity
36:51 - Nothing in all creation is self-sufficient
38:35 - The only way to be spiritually sustained is with God
40:13 - Laura's advice if you are struggling
42:06 - The sacrifice of a mother
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Sonia continues her testimony by sharing the frightening reality of severe sleep deprivation and the mental and physical toll it took on her life. As her health rapidly declined, she experienced terrifying blackouts, medical intervention, and a season of being completely stripped back.
Sonia opens up about what recovery looked like, how her family navigated this difficult time, and why she chose not to share her struggles publicly while she was in the thick of it. Through her suffering, she discovered a deeper dependence on God and now reflects on one powerful lesson: sometimes we need to be broken in order for God to rebuild us stronger than before.
If you're currently struggling with your mental health, feeling exhausted, overwhelmed, or at breaking point, Sonia's story is a gentle reminder that you are not alone, and that God is present even in the darkest seasons.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:39 - Lack of sleep affecting Sonia
1:18 - Concerned friends
1:38 - Sleep deprivation leads to terrifying blackouts
4:12 - The call to psych emergency
6:10 - Sleep medication not working
7:13 - What was happening at home without Sonia?
7:56 - How was Sonia processing everything with the Lord?
12:26 - Not sharing about her sleep issues on social media
14:46 - “I needed to be broken to be put back together better.”
16:40 - What did recovery look like?
20:56 - Practical things that helped Sonia's recovery
26:17 - Getting closer to God through her suffering
28:14 - Sonia's advice to anyone listening who is struggling with mental health issues
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura reflect on the recent conversations surrounding women in ministry and explore how Christians can hold differing convictions on secondary issues while still preserving unity and loving one another well. They discuss the importance of humility, the example of the early church, and why our love for fellow believers should be one of the clearest markers of our faith. They also share resources for those wanting to study the topic of women in ministry more deeply, reflect on Elisabeth Elliot's writings, revisit themes from Sonia's recent testimony, and discuss how creation points us to the Creator. Above all, this episode is a reminder that we are a family in Christ, called to grow together in truth, grace, and community.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:33 - Welcome
1:31 - The women in ministry conversation has been heating up
4:34 - We have to be careful - this can very quickly cause separation
4:53 - It would be wonderful if we all agreed on every point of doctrine (Philippians 2:1-3)
7:04 - What merit is there in loving those who agree with you on every point of doctrine?
7:49 - We are supposed to be a family, called to love one another
10:44 - The world is supposed to know that we are His disciples by our love for one another
11:06 - Looking at the writings of Tertullian
12:19 - If we were in Rome when Christians were being slaughtered for their faith, we wouldn't be arguing over secondary issues
14:16 - We may not sit down with everyone, but we can sit down with fellow New Zealand Christians
15:26 - These are important issues, but we are not enemies
16:10 - Video recommendations if you want to explore women in ministry further
18:47 - Reflections from Elisabeth Elliot (Are we Eve or Mary?)
21:27 - Remembering that there are men who do not qualify to be pastors too
24:19 - Reflections on part one of Sonia's episode
27:18 - Feeling closer to God in creation
31:57 - Design points to a Designer, creation points to the Creator
35:30 - We need to grow in community
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa sits down with Sonia from Urban Self Sufficiency, from transforming an ordinary suburban section into a thriving food-producing garden (that harvests over 500 kilograms of food each year!!) to raising a family with self-sufficiency at its heart, Sonia shares practical wisdom, honest reflections, and encouragement for anyone wanting to start where they are. She also opens up about growing up in poverty, the journey that led her to this lifestyle, how she came to faith in Christ, and why life at a slower pace has deepened her relationship with the Lord. This conversation is both inspiring and grounding, reminding us that sometimes the simplest way of living can create more space to know and enjoy God.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:40 - Welcome Sonia
1:20 - About Urban Self Sufficiency
1:44 - Growing up poor and the desire to become self-sufficient
2:50 - The best family hike in the South Island
3:46 - The easiest and most useful plant to grow
5:52 - How self-sufficiency works alongside marriage
6:35 - Do the kids enjoy this lifestyle?
7:05 - An ordinary 698m² section vs Sonia's grass-free garden
9:18 - Why lawns are a relatively new concept
10:19 - Harvesting over 500kg of food each year
14:19 - What surprised Sonia most about urban self-sufficiency
14:43 - The desire for more land and the reality of the work involved
15:28 - Where to start if you want to become more self-sufficient
17:28 - The beginnings of Back to the Wild
18:36 - Creating a natural sunscreen
19:24 - Learning gardening through trial and error
19:46 - How Sonia came to faith in Christ
22:23 - Knowing God was present through difficult seasons
25:56 - The connection between a slower life and walking with the Lord
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura reflect on several conversations currently shaping the Christian space online. They discuss the recent abortion announcement from Jesse and Ashley Ridgeway, explore John Lennox's appearance on Diary of a CEO, and share reflections from Rebekah Heslop's powerful testimony. Along the way, they discuss friendship as a foundation for marriage, the appeal and dangers of psychics and horror movies, and how spiritual deception often works by mixing truth with lies.
With personal reflections, biblical insight, and thoughtful discussion, this episode encourages listeners to consider what it means to trust Christ in a culture filled with competing voices, while remembering that life, hope, and truth are ultimately found in Him alone.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:50 - Welcome
1:11 - Reflecting on current goings-on in the online Christian space
1:26 - Reacting to Jesse and Ashley Ridgeway's abortion announcement
2:55 - The response online and the eradication of Down syndrome
5:36 - You don't actually know the reality of a suspected condition until the baby is born
6:08 - Jenny Creasy's story
9:27 - We want to be able to trust our doctors
10:24 - Discussing John Lennox on Diary of a CEO
12:43 - The greatest evidence for God is a faithful believer
16:01 - Recap on Part 2 of Rebekah's testimony
17:07 - Being friends first is a great foundation
18:33 - Chantelle's story
21:05 - Our thoughts on psychics and horror movies
24:46 - The devil often tells one true thing in an attempt to deceive
28:48 - The realisation that we can't do life without Christ
31:41 - The parallels between Rebekah and Graham's love story and the gospel
35:20 - Laura's final thoughts
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In Part 2 of my conversation with Rebekah Heslop, we dive into an extraordinary love story that began long before either of them realised where it would lead. Rebekah shares how her husband pursued her for years, the terrifying allergic reaction that nearly took his life, and the final words he spoke before he stopped breathing.
We also explore Rebekah's cancer journey, the loss of her voice, and the remarkable way God met her in that season. Through suffering, healing, and unexpected lessons, Rebekah reflects on identity, true value, and what it means to trust God when life takes an unexpected turn.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:40 - Are psychics legitimate?
2:55 - Incredible love story
5:00 - He died professing his love
10:00 - The beginning of Rebekah's cancer journey
12:08 - Learning she had cancer
17:02 - Losing her voice
21:08 - Regaining her voice miraculously
22:52 - Learning about God in that season
24:34 - God using her voice
25:38 - Rebekah's message to the listeners on true value
27:50 - Does your adoption affect your view of God?
29:19 - How does Rebekah live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this week's Insights episode, we reflect on Rebekah Heslop's testimony and the powerful biblical picture of adoption that runs throughout Scripture.
What does it mean to be adopted into God's family? Is adoption the whole story, or does Jesus offer us something even deeper? Join us as we explore being born again, the significance of baptism and communion, and the incredible privilege of becoming children of God through Christ.
0:00 - Coming up
0:41 - Welcome
1:07 - Christa shares about her Bible study girls' weekend away
1:57 - Injury from a competitive game
3:00 - Recap on Part 1
5:32 - My experience in the 48HR Film Festival
8:42 - Our adoption story as Christians
9:25 - Our adoption is through blood and water
10:25 - We are not just adopted, we are born again
10:46 - The only two traditions from Jesus: Communion and Baptism
12:29 - Comparing fantasy to reality
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In this episode - the first we are releasing from our South Island recording series - I sit down with Rebekah Heslop to hear her story. Rebekah was adopted at just 10 days old, she shared with us the internal feeling of rejection that followed her into adulthood, and into her radical return to Christ.
Even though Rebekah always knew she was adopted, loved and cherished by her adopted parents, she shares how she quietly wrestled with feelings of rejection and a deep curiosity about her birth parents. Eventually, she decided to search for them, hoping it might bring some of the answers she had been looking for. But, finding her birth mother didn't fix everything.
We talk about the reality of navigating that relationship, the season where she lost her way, searching for answers through a psychic, and how God radically changed her life. Rebekah's story is honest, vulnerable, and such a beautiful reminder that while people can't always give us the answers we're looking for, our identity and healing are ultimately found in Christ.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:54 - Welcome and introducing Rebekah Heslop
3:27 - Adopted at 10 days old
7:02 - Understanding adoption but feeling rejected
10:04 - Did knowing you were adopted affect you?
13:00 - Understanding God as a child
15:43 - Curiosity growing around birth parents
17:14 - Losing her way
20:00 - Beginning the search for her birth parents
22:06 - First contact with her birth mother
26:34 - Feeling obligated to maintain the relationship
30:14 - Searching for answers through a psychic
32:50 - Returning to church
34:31 - Radical freedom from alcohol
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura catch up after Christa’s South Island trip - reflecting on answered prayers, unexpected moments, and some of the stories from the road.
They also unpack the conversation sparked by Phylicia Masonheimer’s recent episode on women in ministry, diving into what it looks like to disagree as Christians without losing unity. From secondary issues and theological differences to Spirit, Truth, and learning to love one another well, this episode invites you into an honest, thoughtful, and grace-filled conversation - keeping Jesus at the centre.
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0:00 – Coming Up
0:56 – Welcome + Checking In
2:30 – Laura’s Life Update
3:38 – Christa’s South Island Debrief
5:10 – Praying to See Dolphins 🐬
16:09 – Recap of Phylicia’s Episode
17:21 – Smutty Books for Christians? Yes or No?
26:01 – Laura’s Honest Reaction to the Episode
27:02 – Friendship Despite Theological Differences (RC Sproul & John MacArthur)
29:35 – Can Christians Disagree Without Dividing?
30:14 – Finding Holy Moderation in Spirit & Truth
31:34 – Where Laura & Christa Differ on Women in Ministry
36:35 – Primary vs Secondary Issues
41:51 – Growing in Love for Those We Disagree With
42:44 – Why Unity Is Possible
45:32 – Keeping the Balance of Spirit & Truth
48:49 – What If You’re Still Unsure?
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In this solo episode of Outside of Sunday, I wanted to sit down and give you a bit of a life and podcast update - including why we’ve moved to one episode a week for a short season.
I'm talking about our upcoming South Island recording trip and the heart behind why we’re doing it. I also talk about the verse that has become such an anchor for me as we prepare for this new season of recordings.
If I’m honest, preparing for this trip has stretched me more than I expected. So in this episode I'm sharing a bit about the striving I’ve been wrestling with, and the gentle way the Lord has been reminding me that He is a good Father, who loves us well and meets us so kindly, even in our weakness.
We also talk about the beauty of the ordinary, learning to receive God’s love in busy seasons, and the reminder that everything we truly need is found in Christ.
Plus, a quick update on why the next Insights episode is taking a little longer than planned ❤️
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0:00 – Coming up
0:36 – Welcome & a podcast/life update
2:10 – Our South Island recording trip
2:50 – The heart behind the journey
4:57 – The verse shaping this series
6:03 – The extraordinaryness of the ordinary
6:53 – The struggles of preparing for the South Island trip
9:22 – The Lord meeting me in my striving
11:53 – He leads us gently: learning to receive His love
15:01 – All we need is found in Christ
15:47 – A quick update on the next Insights episode
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, we sit down with Phylicia Masonheimer, founder of Every Woman a Theologian, for an honest and thought-provoking conversation about faith and what it means to be a woman passionate about ministry.
Phylicia shares her powerful testimony - from growing up in a Christian home to walking through a hidden addiction at a young age, and ultimately finding true freedom in Christ. From there, the conversation opens up into the bigger questions many Christian women wrestle with: What is my role? Where do I fit? And how do I follow Scripture faithfully without losing the heart God has given me?
We unpack the tension many women feel around ministry, what the Bible actually says, where confusion can creep in, and why theology isn’t just for a select few. We also explore the balance of Spirit and Truth, the beauty of God’s design for men and women, and why women aren’t “less than” - but uniquely called.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:39 – Welcome and intro
1:51 – About Phylicia & Every Woman a Theologian
2:51 – Phylicia’s testimony
5:08 – Appreciating her Christian upbringing
6:10 – Struggle with addiction exposed at 12
8:24 – Finding freedom in Christ
10:14 – Views on women in ministry growing up
11:14 – Letting Scripture shape her understanding
14:20 – Christa’s personal struggle with calling
15:25 – Is 2 John a woman leading a church?
22:15 – Not fitting neatly on either side
23:43 – Where women can confidently minister
24:17 – God’s design for men and women
26:31 – Women are not lesser
27:00 – The heart behind Every Woman a Theologian
28:43 – Balancing Spirit and Truth
33:22 – Marriage dynamics in ministry
37:15 – How to get involved
38:11 – How Phylicia lives her faith outside of Sunday
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In this Insights episode, Christa and Laura unpack a topic many wives wrestle with - the difference between helping and nagging. With honesty and biblical insight, they talk through communication in marriage, checking our motives, and learning how to approach our husbands with wisdom and grace.
Along the way, they reflect on the freedom we have in Christ, the beauty of God’s design for marriage, and the importance of going back to Scripture for guidance - even in the hard or messy moments.
A real, practical, and hope-filled conversation for anyone wanting to honour God in their marriage.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:35 - Welcome
1:44 - Spilling milk on my computer
6:00 - Laura’s report on the EV ‘Refresh’ Women’s Conference
7:40 - Having a ‘past’ is not a stigma when you are in Christ
9:58 - There is no cancel culture in Christ
11:40 - Fighting for marriage biblically
14:25 - Going to the Word of God for guidance
15:00 - No two marriages are the same
16:20 - Laura’s marriage update
17:33 - God made man and woman to complement each other
21:43 - Wanting to be a good wife
23:00 - Am I a helper or a nagger?
24:50 - Example of nagging vs being helpful
25:44 - Asking instead of directing
28:23 - Bible verses about nagging
30:27 - Am I being strategic or manipulative?
33:53 - The best time to have a conversation with your spouse
35:26 - Bible verses that guide us away from nagging
36:23 - We are all accountable for our own actions
39:14 - Christ makes us a beautiful bride
42:37 - The Bible gives protection for abusive situations
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In part two of Chantelle’s story, the journey continues through heartbreak, hard biblical questions, and the painful reality of a marriage falling apart. At the centre of this episode is a deep conviction Chantelle carried through it all: I made a covenant. She shares what it looked like to cry out to God in despair, seek to honour Christ in an unequally yoked marriage, and wrestle firsthand with what Scripture says when an unbelieving spouse wants to leave.
With honesty and wisdom, she offers encouragement for those walking through similar pain, before sharing how God continued writing her story in unexpected ways - including a trip to the USA, a second chance at love, and the redemption she found on the other side of deep suffering.
This episode is tender, hope-filled, and grounded in biblical truth and the faithfulness of God.
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0:00 - Previously on Chantelle’s Story
1:33 - Crying Out to God in Despair
6:00 - Fighting for a Failing Marriage
7:21 - Being a Godly Wife in a Difficult Marriage
16:48 - When the Unbelieving Spouse Wants to Leave
21:43 - Advice for Those Walking A Similar Road
26:01 - A New Chapter Begins in the USA
27:40 - Meeting Her Future Husband
34:16 - One Final Chance for Reconciliation
35:42 - A Second Marriage and God’s Redemption
37:26 - Chantelle’s Final Encouragement
38:28 - How Chantelle Lives Her Faith Outside of Sunday
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura open up a candid conversation about Christian dating - from boundaries to red flags, wedding jitters, and the deeper purpose of marriage itself.
With wisdom, laughter, and a few vulnerable stories along the way, this episode invites you to think more deeply about relationships, purity, expectations, and what it means to pursue marriage with the word of God as our guide. Whether you’re dating, single, married, or helping your kids navigate relationships, this conversation has something for you.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:46 - Welcome
1:28 - Late nights and sick kids
5:34 - Laura surprised with Chantelle’s episode
6:45 - The wealth of wisdom with age
7:45- Speaking into others lives
8:09 - Laura in a tricky situation as a young girl
11:02 - The treasure of a Christian heritage
12:46 - The grace of God that is there in the immaturity of our faith
15:09 - “Our hearts are Idol factories”
16:50 - Our experiences Christian dating
17:27 - Are we wanting to be wanted?
19:02 - Boundaries in Dating and Sexual Immorality
21:32 - Purity culture
23:07 - You’re not married until you’re married
24:20 - The biblical “boundary” for pre-marital relationships
28:13 - The goal of marriage and the goal of dating
29:04 - Talk to kids about dating
31:36 - There is grace to cover us
33:59 - Red flags, green flags
37:18 - Don’t just look on the external
39:28 - Wedding jitters
40:25 - You can be married to an unbeliever and have a great marriage
42:01 - Are we expecting perfection in dating and marriage?
44:31 - Marriage is a leap of faith
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Chantelle shares a deeply personal testimony all about faith, love, and how things don’t always turn out the way we hope.
Chantelle grew up in New Zealand, came to know and love Jesus from a young age, and genuinely wanted to honour Him with her life. When she started a relationship with someone who didn’t know Christ, it was complicated - but over time, things seemed to change. He was showing interest in faith, coming along to church, pursued Bible school and promised to love Chantelle as Christ loves the Church - it looked like he was pursuing God just like she was.
So she said yes.
But on their honeymoon… something didn’t feel right.
This is an honest account of Christian dating and marriage, navigating hope and discernment, and the reality that only God truly knows the heart.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Intro and welcome Chantelle
2:04 – Having grown children and re-entering the workforce
3:15 – Chantelle’s background and growing up in New Zealand
5:56 – When Christ became real for Chantelle
6:35 – The Wordless Book
10:35 – The humility of Christ becoming human
11:38 – Maturing in faith: works vs grace
18:00 – Choosing motherhood over career
21:08 – Beginning a relationship with someone who didn’t know Jesus
23:48 – Being confronted by a friend
25:51 – He starts coming to youth group
29:50 – First proposal, red flags, and calling it off
33:08 – Second proposal and marriage
34:02 – Realising she had made a mistake
38:00 – Reaching a place of deep despair
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura open up a thoughtful and honest conversation around our response to biblical truth - do we love it, or resist it?
Reflecting on Julie Colbeth’s recent episodes, we revisits powerful moments and quotes that challenge the way we approach God, truth, and sincerity. From the tension between appearance and reality, to the danger of coming to God on our own terms, this episode explores what it means to truly know God as He is - not just as we’d prefer Him to be.
This episode is an invitation to examine the heart, embrace truth even when it confronts us, and continue pursuing Jesus with sincerity grounded in truth - not just good intentions.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Intro
0:55 – School holiday catch up
2:50 – The OOS Fundraiser
7:00 – Reflecting on Julie Colbeth’s episodes
8:35 – Favourite quotes from Julie’s episodes
12:45 – Being confronted by Biblical truth - do you love or hate it?
18:21 – Passing wisdom to the younger generation
19:05 – Is there a Kiwi resistance to being confronted?
19:50 – How we view God vs who God is
23:40 – Godly relationships that call out sin and point you to Jesus
27:20 – Balancing sincerity and truth - the danger of the blind leading the blind
30:40 – Appearances vs reality
32:23 – When everything looks perfect… but the heart isn’t
37:41 – Is your relationship with God just for show?
39:02 – Final thought: being followers of The Way
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In this final episode of the Whispers of Grace takeover on Outside of Sunday, Julie leans into a confronting but necessary conversation around mistakes—and the way we approach God.
Looking at both Old and New Testament accounts, this episode gently but honestly exposes the danger of coming to God on our own terms. From Cain to Nadab and Abihu, Uzzah, and Ananias and Sapphira, we’re reminded that sincerity alone isn’t what God asks for - and that not every offering is accepted.
As these stories unfold, a deeper truth begins to surface: God’s goodness is constant, and He does not conform to us. In a culture that often elevates intention over obedience, this episode invites you to pause and consider what it really means to walk with God - not just appear faithful.
With reflections from the Sermon on the Mount and scriptures like Micah 6:8 and Proverbs 3:5–6, Julie brings us face to face with the sobering reality of self-deception, the holiness of God, and the quiet call back to alignment with Him.
This episode isn’t about striving or performing—it’s about surrender. Not about getting it “right” in our own strength, but about trusting, obeying, and walking closely with the Lord.
A grounding and thought-provoking close to the Whispers of Grace series.
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0:00 – Intro
1:30 – Looking at mistakes in the Old and New Testament
3:20 – “God’s goodness is constant but He does not conform to us”
3:40 – Cain and Abel (Genesis 4)
7:02 – “Not every offering is accepted”
7:50 – Preparing and following God’s instructions
10:05 – Leviticus 9:23–24
11:10 – Nadab and Abihu introduced
13:44 – “It is not enough that we mean well, we must do as God commands”
14:22 – The holiness of God—“a consuming fire”
14:49 – “Sincerity does not define truth”
15:15 – Uzzah
18:45 – “Worship and service were never meant to revolve around us”
20:55 – Ananias and Sapphira
23:12 – Image over surrender
25:17 – Do we do the same?
27:43 – Sermon on the Mount reflection
30:50 – Self-deception and a distorted gospel
33:07 – Micah 6:8
33:32 – “It’s not about performing for God, it’s about walking with Him”
33:40 – 1 Samuel 15:22
34:59 – Am I aligned with Him?
35:56 – Proverbs 3:5–6
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In this third takeover episode of Outside of Sunday, Julie Colbeth from Whispers of Grace continues her powerful teaching series - this time turning to the heart of ministry.
Drawing from the Old Testament priesthood and the ordination process in Exodus, Julie unpacks how ministry with God has always been rooted in something deeper than what we do - it flows from grace, and connection with God.
From the clothing of the priests to the anointing oil and sacrificial offerings, this episode beautifully reveals how these practices point forward to Jesus - and what it means for us now to be clothed in Christ and anointed by the Holy Spirit.
Julie reminds us that ministry isn’t sustained by striving or performance, but by surrender and fellowship with God. It’s not about building something for Him in our own strength - it’s about abiding in Him.
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0:00 – Intro & recap
3:30 – Ministry in the Old Testament
5:16 – Foreshadowing the Messiah
6:30 – Ministry flows from grace
6:37 – The clothing of the priests
10:08 – Clothed in Christ
10:59 – Identity beyond works
11:45 – The anointing oil
14:38 – The anointing is a person
15:05 – 1 Corinthians 6:19
16:10 – Anointed by the Holy Spirit
16:43 – Sacrifices and offerings
19:50 – The sacrifice of the ram
21:00 – Surrender vs competition with God
21:12 – The ram of ordination
22:26 – The wave offering & fellowship
23:40 – Ministry sustained in God
25:41 – Connection over exhaustion
26:03 – Sanctification and depth
28:40 – Let Jesus change you
30:15 – Conclusion (Exodus 29)
32:00 – Reconciliation of God and man
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In this second takeover episode of Outside of Sunday, Julie Colbeth from Whispers of Grace continues her four-part teaching series - this time exploring the method behind how we serve God.
Following on from 'Motivation', this episode shifts the focus from why we serve to how we serve - and it might not look the way you expect.
This episode gently challenges the way we view our gifts, reminding us that God is intimately acquainted with all we carry - and He delights in using it for His glory.
With encouragement to stay faithful in the unseen and a call to fix our eyes on Jesus, Julie invites you into a deeper, freer way of serving - led and empowered by the Holy Spirit.
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0:00 – Intro & recap
2:47 – The method we use to serve God
3:32 – The Holy Spirit: Old Testament vs after Pentecost
4:55 – Spirit-filled craftsmen in Exodus
8:10 – God as the master artisan
9:39 – Building the tabernacle
11:48 – Separating “God things” vs “human things”
12:45 – God knows all your skills
16:39 – 1 Corinthians 12:4–11
18:23 – Women empowered in the New Testament
22:35 – Faithfulness in what’s in your hands
25:40 – Robert Chapman
27:46 – Serving beyond recognition
31:50 – Luke 16:10
34:00 – Fix your eyes on Jesus
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In this special takeover episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa hands the mic over to Julie Colbeth from Whispers of Grace for the first of a four-part teaching series - and it couldn’t come at a better time.
As Christa takes a break over the school holidays, Julie brings a rich and grounding message on motivation - the heart behind why we serve.
Looking at the lives of Abraham, Joseph, Moses, and the Israelites, Julie reminds us that we are all called and equipped by God for His purposes. But beyond what we do, this episode gently challenges us to consider why we do it.
Is our service driven by pressure, performance, or comparison… or by love, gratitude, and a desire to honour God?
With honesty and biblical truth, Julie speaks into the everyday - from serving in church to serving our children - pointing us back to this powerful reminder:
our worth isn’t found in how well we perform, but in what Christ has already done.
This episode is an invitation to pause, reflect, and realign your heart - to serve not out of striving, but from a place of grace.
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Click here to check out Julie's podcast, Whispers of Grace.
0:00 – I have a confession
0:33 – Whispers of Grace takeover
1:54 – Julie introduces the series
2:31 – Calling, purpose, and the series focus
3:48 – Biblical examples: Abraham, Joseph, Moses, the Israelites
6:49 – Called and gifted for service
9:38 – God has equipped you
13:45 – Your worth rests in Christ
16:35 – What is your motivation?
21:31 – Serving your children as serving God
23:21 – Generosity in service
25:25 – Partnering with God
26:55 – Reflecting on your motivation
28:06 – The Israelites and giving
30:07 – The church as a team
31:58 – Fix your eyes on Jesus
32:54 – 1 Peter 4:10–11
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura reflect on the resurrection of Jesus and some of the powerful moments that happened straight after it. From Mary Magdalene being the first to see the risen Lord to why Thomas is often labelled “the doubter”, this conversation gently explores what faith really looks like - especially when questions and doubts are part of the journey.
They also talk about the incredible way God ordained events throughout the Bible, how faith and intellect don’t have to be in conflict, and why the resurrection still matters deeply today. Whether you come to faith through your heart, your questions, or both, this episode is a reminder that Jesus meets us exactly where we are.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Welcome
1:42 – The resurrection of Jesus
2:25 – Why did Jesus rise?
4:40 – God’s plan and biblical prophecy
5:35 – Science and the Bible
6:30 – Faith and intellect
8:22 – Why Mary saw Jesus first
13:56 – Should we call Thomas “the doubter”?
17:52 – Faith through the heart or the mind
23:40 – Bible verse: The true vine
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura sit down to talk about Easter - the beauty of it, the weight of it, and the suffering of Jesus at the centre of it all. From Good Friday to the reality of what crucifixion actually involved, they reflect on what Jesus willingly endured and why it matters so deeply for us today.
Along the way they talk about the meaning of the blood of Jesus, the striking reminder that we are Barabbas, and how our constant rebellion and failing keep pointing us back to our need for Him. With reflections from Scripture, C.S. Lewis, and Charles Spurgeon, the conversation moves between thoughtful, honest, and hopeful - remembering that the whole world still revolves around Jesus.
If Easter has ever felt familiar or routine, this episode is an invitation to pause, look again at the cross, and be reminded just how extraordinary it really is.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Welcome
1:18 – Holy Week
5:52 – What happened to Jesus on Good Friday?
11:38 – The blood of Jesus
15:28 – We are Barabbas
17:55 – Our constant failing is a reminder of our need of Jesus
20:16 – What happens at crucifixion
22:07 – Jesus submitted to His suffering
23:59 – The wrath of God was poured out on Jesus
27:40 – C.S. Lewis quotes
28:56 – The world still revolves around Jesus
31:22 – Easter talk and traditions
33:52 – Inspiration from Charles Spurgeon
35:53 – Final thoughts
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura reflect on Part 2 of Stacy’s testimony and the deeper conversations that came out of it. From Laura’s honest postpartum journey to the difference between real wisdom and superficial advice, this episode moves gently through some of the harder but important truths that often don’t get spoken about.
Together, they talk about the value of children, what it means to carry pain while still recognising God’s blessing, and why true justice isn’t always what the world thinks it should be. The conversation then turns to the cross - and the powerful reminder that Jesus took the punishment we deserved so that mercy could be offered instead.
Honest, reflective, and deeply hope-filled, this episode invites you to pause, think deeply, and remember where true justice and true hope are ultimately found ✝️
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0:30 – Intro
1:00 – Recap on Part 2
1:34 – Laura’s initial reactions
2:11 – Laura’s postpartum journey
2:56 – Honest vs superficial advice
7:35 – Children are a blessing
12:29 – Being a grandparent or parent without actually having children
14:56 – Justice belongs to God
17:49 – Earthly justice vs eternal justice
19:17 – 40 lashes or 5 years in prison?
23:12 – Jesus took lashes and death for us
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In Part 2 of Stacy’s story, the conversation takes an unexpected turn. What began as a story of teenage pregnancy and abortion becomes a powerful testimony of God’s grace, redemption, and healing.
Stacy shares how, now married with 3 children, she unexpectedly fell pregnant again - but this time, everything was different. She then looks back and shares about coming to Christ, only to learn just months later about the shocking child abuse carried out by her partner. In the midst of heartbreak and deep brokenness, and through the faithful discipleship of others who walked her through the Word of God, Stacy began to truly understand God’s love and forgiveness in a way she never had before. She also shares the moment she truly felt restored.
This episode is raw, emotional, and deeply hopeful. I hope it blesses you 💛
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0:00 - Coming up
1:13 - Unexpected pregnancy
2:17 - A gift from God
7:19 - Stacy coming to faith in Christ
15:51 - Shocking child abuse
32:25 - Pregnancy after abortion
33:55 - ‘Wanted’ vs ‘unwanted’ pregnancies
37:20 - Stacy begins to truly understand God’s love and forgiveness
42:32 - Stacy’s message to post-abortive women
45:05 - How does Stacy live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I open the conversation around abortion, culture, and what it means to respond as Christians.
Reflecting on Stacy's story, we explore the deeper cultural shifts shaping today’s views on pregnancy and abortion, from ancient pagan practices to modern parallels. We share sobering statistics, highlight encouraging pro-life advocacy, and gently unpack what a truly Christ-centred response should look like.
This episode also speaks directly to post-abortive women with a message of grace, and reminds us of the importance of creating a culture where choosing life is genuinely supported.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:50 - What is the Outsider Club about
2:55 - Recap
5:58 - Bravery to share
7:15 - Laura’s teen rebellion
11:20 - Pro-life background of the podcast
13:30 - Abortion declining in one Rotorua city
15:52 - How was teen pregnancy handled in pagan societies?
17:19 - Our culture has returned to paganism
18:50 - Message to post-abortive women
24:22 - Disturbing statistics
26:51 - What is the Christian response to abortion
30:07 - Amazing pro-life advocates
32:31 - 'The Night Agent' is Pro Life?
34:28 - Supporting women in crisis pregnancy
38:58 - Pro-life people and organisations to follow
42:42 - Coming up next week
43:45 - Support is not coercion
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Stacy to hear her story.
In Part 1, Stacy shares what it was like growing up with drug-dealing parents - but still in a loving home. Despite that, her teenage years quickly spiralled into rebellion. At just fifteen, she found herself pregnant and facing a decision she never imagined she would have to make. Stacy talks about telling her parents, seeing her baby on the ultrasound, and the circumstances that led her to believe abortion was her only option.
Fast forward to recent years, when Stacy - now grown, married, and a Mum of four - was unexpectedly present at a family member’s abortion, revisiting the trauma she experienced at 15 and witnessing the heartbreaking reality of abortion again.
It’s an honest and deeply personal conversation about the weight of decisions and the lasting impact they can have on a life. In Part 2 next week, Stacy shares what happened years later when she unexpectedly found herself pregnant again — and how that second moment unfolded very differently.
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2:00 - About Stacy
3:19 - Upbringing
5:45 - Drug Dealer Parents
9:55 - Beginning of rebellious years
9:36 - Stacy’s background in Christianity
14:18 - Difficult start in Rotorua
20:50 - Getting suspended from High School
23:09 - Pregnant at 15
30:57 – Telling her parents
32:49 – Deciding that she wouldn’t have her baby
37:41 – Seeing her baby at the ultrasound
41:11 – Would support have made a difference?
47:07 – The abortion
49:53 – Taking the baby home
55:40 – Being present at a family members abortion
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I continue our conversation following our recent episode with Julia, reflecting on what it actually looks like to read the Bible consistently in real life. We talk about reading the Bible from beginning to end, what our own Bible reading rhythms look like, and how we make space for it in the middle of busy family life. Along the way, we also unpack the pressure that can sometimes creep in through comparison - especially with “Instagram Christians” - and why they shouldn’t be our benchmark for spiritual faithfulness.
We also tackle some really practical questions: what to do if your husband isn’t keen on family Bible reading, whether listening to the Bible counts the same as reading it, and how to deal with guilt or discouragement when we miss our Bible reading goals. This conversation is a gentle reminder that the Bible was never meant to feel like a heavy obligation. It’s a gift from God that helps us know Him more deeply - and it will guide and grow us as we faithfully keep coming back to it.
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0:00 – Coming Up
1:03 – Recap on Episode with Julia
2:00 – 9 Months of Reading the Bible
2:29 – Reading the Bible from Beginning to End
5:50 – Making Time to Read the Bible
9:13 – Instagram Christians Aren’t Our Role Models
10:38 – What Does Christa and Laura’s Bible Reading Look Like?
18:11 – What to Do if Your Husband Isn’t Keen on Bible Reading as a Family
21:10 – Listening to the Bible vs Reading the Bible
23:20 – Guilt and Discouragement Over Missing Bible Reading
27:12 – The Full Counsel of God
28:13 – The Bible Is Not an End in Itself
30:08 – Why Is History Important?
31:00 – Asking God to Help Us Read the Bible
32:00 – Tips and Encouragement Around Reading the Bible
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Julia to hear her story of moving from Switzerland to New Zealand and pursuing deeper biblical training through YWAM. We talk about her time at the Discipleship Training School and the School of Biblical Studies, and why learning to read the Bible in its historical and cultural context can completely change the way we understand God’s word. Julia also shares the three core principles of the inductive Bible study method, why the Bible ultimately points to God rather than ourselves, and why slowing down in Scripture can help us better hear from the Holy Spirit.
Julia also opens up about her personal testimony and what Christianity looks like in Switzerland today. We talk about growing anti-Christian sentiment, whether our culture is becoming post-Christian or pre-Christian, and how trials can reveal new depths of God’s character.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Welcome and introducing Julia
1:31 – Coming to New Zealand from Switzerland
2:35 – About YWAM and Julia’s DTS
3:19 – About the School of Biblical Studies
7:55 – The importance of knowing the Word
10:30 – The Bible is not about you
10:58 – When was the Bible written?
12:19 – Understanding the culture when the Bible was written
14:35 – The three core principles of the inductive method for Bible study
20:08 – Distractions keeping us from the Word
23:15 – Giving yourself time to hear from the Holy Spirit
25:05 – Slowing down your Bible reading
26:45 – Julia’s Bible reading tips
33:01 – Julia’s testimony
33:47 – The role of Julia’s parents in her salvation
35:55 – Christianity in Switzerland
38:45 – Anti-Christian sentiment
40:35 – Division and curiosity
42:35 – Are we in a post-Christian or pre-Christian age?
45:35 – Maturing in Julia’s walk with the Lord
46:45 – Trials reveal God in a new way
57:01 – In our weakness He is strong
58:40 – YWAM outreach highlights
1:05:55 – How does Julia live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this Outside of Sunday Christa and Laura reflect on Therina Oliver’s powerful testimony of walking through breast cancer, and then Leukaemia with her son. They unpack how Therina’s own suffering became a profound way God prepared Matthew for his journey. Delving into thoughts around Jesus keeping His scars
Along the way, Christa and Laura also touch on marriage drifting into “flat-mate zone”, learning to pray for God’s will, and what it means to be moulded in God’s hands when the outcome is unknown. This is an honest, hope-filled reflection on trusting the God who chose to step into poverty, pain and brokenness for us and who continues to meet us right in the middle of ours.
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0:00 – Intro
0:44 – Welcome
1:19 – Recap on Therina’s testimony
2:27 – You don’t know what someone might be going through
5:07 – ‘Faith’ talk vs biblical truth
10:19 – God using Therina’s experiences and scars to walk Matthew through his ordeal
12:08 – Jesus kept His scars
16:18 – Only one person chose to be born into poverty, abuse, etc — Jesus
18:29 – Becoming ‘flat mates’ in marriage
19:35 – Getting out of the ‘flat mate’ zone
26:29 – Praying for God’s will
27:55 – Being moulded in God’s hands
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, we continue our conversation with Therina Oliver. After recently walking through her own breast cancer diagnosis, Therina found herself back in crisis when her young son Matthew was rushed to hospital and later diagnosed with leukaemia. She shares what it was like to face another devastating diagnosis so soon after her own recovery, and how God gently prepared her heart in ways she never could have imagined.
From life inside Starship to the strain on marriage, the impact on siblings, and praying for healing while surrendering to God’s will, this episode is a raw and faith-filled reflection on suffering and trust. Therina’s honesty and steady faith will deeply encourage anyone walking through uncertainty - we will all be holding our children a little tighter today.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:44 – First signs something was wrong with Matthew
3:17 – Rush to the hospital
8:03 – What it was like for Therina, especially after just recovering from breast cancer
8:45 – How breast cancer helped Therina support her son with leukaemia
10:43 – Ambulance ride to Starship Children’s Hospital
12:05 – “I know who you are”
13:12 – Therina reflects on the Lord placing Christians in her life during this season
13:58 – Life at Starship
14:18 – The brothers’ relationship facing separation
16:22 – What was Matthew’s treatment like? Steroid aggression
18:48 – Being discharged: “We got the best of the worst situation"
21:07 – Marriage during crisis and giving her son to God
24:35 – Faith and light in suffering
27:57 – Praying for healing, aware that it might not be God’s will
30:38 – Matthew’s health now
31:37 – Therina’s advice for listeners
34:35 – How Therina lives her faith outside of Sunday 🤍
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura is back (yay!) and today we reflect on Part One of our chat with Therina Oliver.
We unpack some of the moments that have stayed with us - from the gratitude of building a new life in New Zealand, to the quiet ways God prepares our hearts before hard seasons arrive. We also explore the mind-bending reality of God’s omnipresence - that He is everywhere and every when at once - and what that means when life feels uncertain.
If Part One stirred something in you, I hope this episode gives you space to process, to pause, and to reflect on the greatness of our God - the One who goes before us and remains with us in every trial.
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0:00 – Coming up
1:30 – Recap on Part One (Therina Oliver)
2:20 – Laura is back!
5:26 – Grateful to live in New Zealand
7:08 – God letting us know when hard things are coming
9:19 – The mind-bending reality of God’s omnipresence
12:55 – Looking back and reflecting on God’s direction
15:17 – Reflections on David
18:05 – Trusting in God
20:00 – Giving God control
22:17 – The practice of submission
26:00 – Even Jesus submitted
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, recorded at our very first Outsider Retreat, I’m joined by Therina as she shares her breast cancer journey. Just after finishing breastfeeding her youngest, she discovered a lump - and at 31 years old, was diagnosed with breast cancer. Therina opens up about processing that diagnosis with the Lord, choosing to put God first in the middle of fear, and the way He surrounded her with believers every step of the way.
We talk about navigating treatment while raising young children, facing surgical menopause, and choosing how to see her circumstances when everything felt completely out of control. And just as they were beginning to breathe again, Therina’s youngest son was diagnosed with leukaemia… more on that in Part Two.
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00:50 – Welcome and introducing Therina
03:00 – Growing up in South Africa
04:25 – Choosing to follow Jesus
05:21 – Meeting her husband
05:45 – Deciding to move to New Zealand
07:30 – Security risks in South Africa
10:06 – Discovering a lump after finishing breastfeeding
16:11 – Processing the breast cancer diagnosis with the Lord
18:12 – Putting God first and how God placed believers around Therina (GP, operating room, etc.)
21:19 – Managing treatment, family life, work, and marriage
23:19 – Facing menopause at 31
24:46 – Choosing how to view her circumstances
26:26 – Youngest son diagnosed with leukaemia
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, I’m reflecting on Part Two of my conversation with Jess from Craft to Christ and sharing some of my own thoughts on what it actually looks like to “leave room for the Holy Spirit”. From listener comments, my thoughts on the release of the Epstein Files, to some deeper conversations around spiritual discernment, demons, submission, and prayer - this episode goes a little wider and a little deeper.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:41 – Welcome and recap on Jess’s episode
2:04 – Listener comments
4:36 – My thoughts on the Epstein Files
12:39 – Wes Huff & Allen Rudduck on the origins of demons
14:44 – My reflections on Part Two of our chat with Jess
15:21 – Insights on leaving room for the Holy Spirit
20:05 – The Holy Spirit and the Bible never disagree
20:51 – What does leaving room for the Holy Spirit look like in real life?
27:16 – We need to apply the Bible to our own lives
27:21 – Submission should not be forced
30:06 – Oversensitivity to the demonic
30:51 – Maturity in Jess’ prayer life
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In Part Two of our chat with Jessica Murphy from Craft to Christ, we focus on the Christian backlash she faced after leaving witchcraft and choosing to follow Jesus.
Jess opens up about the judgement and suspicion she experienced from other believers, and how painful it can be when the very community meant to offer love and support becomes a source of hurt. We talk about how this impacts new converts, and what it really looks like to walk in love with those who are new to faith.
This episode is a gentle but honest invitation for the Church to reflect on how we respond to radical testimonies - and to leave room for discipleship and the work of the Holy Spirit.
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0:00 – Previously
0:35 – How have Jess's children reacted to her conversion to Christianity
4:06 – The power of Jesus over the devil
5:05 – People scaremongering Christians
7:20 – The Christian reaction and backlash to Jess’s conversion
13:48 – Christianity in the UK
16:08 – How can Christians better love new converts?
21:50 – Something Jess is thankful to the Christian community for
24:58 – Advice to parents to keep kids safe from the occult
33:50 – How does Jess live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In today's Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, I'm reflecting on Part One of our chat with Jessica Murphy from Craft to Christ and respond to some of the listener reactions and themes that came up. I talk about the reality of witchcraft and familiar spirits, how New Age practices can lead us into spiritual bondage, and why we don’t need to live in fear. This episode is really about not compromising, staying grounded in truth, loving people well, and being thankful for the quiet, faithful ways God is at work in our lives.
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0:39 – Welcome
1:00 – Part 1 recap
1:35 – Listener comments
2:17 – Witchcraft is real
4:25 – Don’t put yourself into bondage
6:15 – The Bible confirms that witchcraft is real
8:00 – Don’t fear witchcraft
8:56 – Advice on how to confront a friend who is dabbling in New Age practices
11:49 – The insult of familiar spirits
13:00 – Be so thankful for your boring testimony
13:43 – Christa’s main reflection: love
14:46 – We need to stop saying that everyone is a child of God
15:18 – Love your brothers and sisters in Christ
16:54 – I used to think I was one of the 99, not the 1 that was lost
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In this two-part episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Jessica Murray from Craft to Christ, who shares her powerful testimony of encountering Jesus and leaving witchcraft (including her successful witchcraft business).
Jess opens up about her journey from growing up around limited Christianity to becoming deeply involved in modern witchcraft. We talk about spirit guides, familiar spirits, initiation, and the spiritual deception she was caught in, as well as the opposition she faced along the way.
She also shares how a real encounter with Jesus completely transformed her life. Jessica started sharing about Jesus on her platforms, lost thousands of followers - and then watched God use her testimony to lead over 1,000 people to Jesus.
Next week, we’ll hear how her children have reacted to the change in their Mum, learn more about the Christian response to her booming social media page Craft to Christ, and hear how Jess is living her faith outside of Sunday.
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0:48 – Welcome and introducing Jess
2:28 – Making money from witchcraft
3:19 – A mimic spirit
6:35 – Jess’s background in Christianity
7:28 – Childhood imaginary friend: Jesus?
9:24 – Progression into witchcraft
11:24 – New generation of online witchcraft
12:36 – Are psychics there to ‘help’ or make money?
13:48 – Difference between a witch and playing with the occult
16:21 – Initiation into being a witch
17:04 – What is a spirit guide?
18:36 – What is a familiar spirit?
21:49 – Heading to the low point
22:56 – Demonic gang stalking
25:48 – “Christian” attacks
26:34 – Satan’s goal
27:29 – Jess’s encounters with Jesus
32:59 – How did Jess’s community respond to her conversion to Christianity
37:58 – Shutting down her witchcraft social media page, losing 4,000 followers
39:58 – Leading 1,000 followers to Christ
40:30 – The change that God has brought to Jess’s life
43:21 – Coming up in Part 2
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura unpack further exposures within the charismatic Christian world. Drawing on their own background in faith healing spaces, they reflect honestly on figures like Todd White, discuss why these patterns have persisted for so long, and explore how gifting, charisma, and powerful testimonies can sometimes be elevated above faithfulness, character, and quiet obedience to Christ.
This conversation isn’t about “charismatic vs conservative”, but about a higher calling for Christian leaders - and for all of us - to fix our eyes on Jesus, practice righteousness without performance, and grow spiritually outside of Sunday.
With listener comments, links to previous episodes, and practical reflections on how we move forward, this episode is an invitation to become more discerning, more grounded, and more anchored in truth, with hope for the future of the Church.
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0:00 – Intro
0:40 – Welcome
1:23 – Listener comments
10:24 – Our background in faith healing
16:25 – Todd White’s exposure
21:20 – Laura’s initial reaction
26:33 – It’s not charismatic vs conservative
28:12 – A higher calling for leaders
32:10 – How has this persisted in the body of Christ for years?
32:19 – Looking more at our lack than at Jesus
35:20 – Lack of discernment
39:12 – Valuing gifting and charisma over faithfulness
44:53 – Practicing righteousness before others
47:22 – How do we move forward?
47:20 – Growing spiritually outside of Sunday
49:20 – Prosperity preachers
50:57 – How we’re handling finances
55:26 – Being faithful with the little things
57:05 – Giving credit to Bethel
59:00 – Be a Nathan
1:01:50 – Is this an answer to our prayers?
1:02:49 – Final thoughts from Laura & Christa
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In this ‘welcome back’ episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I reflect on the summer season - from mum life and recent episodes, to processing heavy news closer to home and within the wider Church. We share our thoughts on the Mount Maunganui tragedy, and then gently but honestly unpack the recent revelations surrounding internationally renowned ‘prophet’ Shawn Bolz.
From toxic honour culture and church discipline, to the fear of God, this episode is a call for sobriety, humility, and deeper discernment in the body of Christ.
We end with a heartfelt call to pastors, and prayer - asking God to purify His Church.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:33 – Intro & welcome back
1:48 – Summer reflections & mum life
3:57 – Reflecting on the Mount Maunganui tragedy
5:12 – Looking back on the summer episodes
9:02 – Thoughts on the Shawn Bolz revelations
12:30 – What happened
14:20 – Mike Winger
16:26 – Jubilee Dawn
18:42 – Thank you, Mike Winger
20:40 – Shawn’s sexual abuse / harassment
22:45 – How much did Shawn’s abuse and deception grieve God?
24:36 – Implications for the Pentecostal Church
27:57 – Discernment
28:11 – Bible verse: Test the spirits
30:00 – My experience at a conference
33:50 – A call to pastors
34:21 – Should we still listen to Bethel Music?
38:17 – Toxic honour culture
40:52 – Paul calling out Peter
43:35 – The goodness of God
45:09 – Hidden bad fruit & the fear of God
46:40 – Church discipline
51:45 – Bethel’s response
55:30 – What is my degree of culpability?
1:00:14 – Prayer
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In this Q&A episode of Outside of Sunday, Julie Colbeth and Destiny Calhoon answer honest questions from our Outsider Retreat attendees. From faith and forgiveness, seasonal depression and church community, to homeschooling and the realities of being a pastor’s wife, this episode dives into the complexities of following God in real life.
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0:00 – Intro
0:45 – How do you balance the tension between forgiveness and boundaries?
3:17 – Was there a time in your life where you struggled with your relationship with God?
5:02 – How long were you using steroid cream before you had steroid withdrawal?
6:47 – Are there dangers in not regularly fellowshipping with other believers?
8:55 – Was homeschooling your children good for your relationship with them, or did it make things harder?
11:55 – Does God allow situations that drain your joy and peace, or is this an issue with your relationship with Him?
23:55 – How can I genuinely walk in forgiveness without feeling it at all?
26:54 – Is there truly an issue with loving a brother or sister in Christ from afar when you know they can rub you the wrong way?
28:36 – In seasonal depression, even if God gives His peace to get you through the day to day, how would you explain why feelings of depressive states come back?
32:50 – What is the fun thing about being a pastor’s wife?
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This episode of Outside of Sunday features a recording from the Outsider Retreat in 2025 with Destiny Calhoon - a woman whose story is marked by deep suffering, unwavering faith, and radical trust in God.
From a near-death car accident and frightening pregnancy complications, to a breast cancer diagnosis while pregnant and the excruciating pain of topical steroid withdrawal, Destiny shares how her life has been shaken - and how God met her in the middle of it all. With honesty and humility, she opens up about wrestling with questions, facing false teaching, and learning what it truly means to glorify God, not just in the good times, but in the hardest ones.
This is a conversation about trials, surrender, and choosing to trust God above all. Destiny’s testimony will gently but powerfully invite you to ask: Will you trust Him - no matter what?
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0:00 – Coming up
0:49 – Introducing Destiny
2:55 – Message introduction
6:19 – Destiny’s love for the Lord & connection with Soli Deo Gloria
7:40 – Trusting and glorifying God with your life
13:00 – False teachings penetrating the church
15:50 – Will you trust God?
19:25 – Destiny’s near-death car accident
21:20 – Newly married, birth scares, and miracles
25:20 – Ask God why, or trust Him?
27:00 – Breast cancer diagnosis while pregnant
28:40 – Digging into God’s Word to understand suffering
29:35 – Finding the lump
32:07 – Wisdom from Isaiah
34:00 – Reconciling her healing when others didn’t receive healing
35:00 – Excruciating trial of topical steroid withdrawal and severe nerve pain
37:19 – God’s Word to Destiny through Scripture
38:26 – Will you trust Him in the good times and the hard times?
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In this second session from the Outsider Retreat, Julie Colbeth brings a powerful and grace-filled word as she lifts the veil of shame and leads us back to the foot of the cross. Through Scripture and honest reflection, she unpacks the beauty of brokenness and why following Jesus calls us to die to self - not to harm us, but to free us.
This session gently challenges the places we resist surrender and reminds us that we can’t do this on our own - but Jesus can. Take a moment to sit with this word, come into the light, and rest in His grace and truth.
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0:00 – Coming up
1:25 – Lifting the veil of shame (1 John)
6:25 – The beauty of brokenness
9:50 – Following our Saviour requires us to die
12:20 – “It is the refusal to die to self that makes us miserable” Calvary Road
13:47 – We can’t do it, Jesus can
17:00 – Why do we fight Him?
18:00 – The cycle of grace and truth
21:25 – The number one way we get stuck
31:00 – Coming to the foot of the cross
32:02 – Matthew 11:28
36:40 – Are you uncomfortable in the light?
38:30 – Eve thought God was trying to hide something good from her
40:45 – Take a moment to sit in this word
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In this inspiring session from the 2025 Outsider Retreat, our friend Julie Colbeth opens God’s Word and gently brings us back to the simplicity of the gospel through 1 John.
Many of us know we are saved - yet we can experience seasons where it doesn’t feel that way. Julie helps us make sense of the gap between what we experience and what Scripture teaches, reminding us not to hide in the darkness, that joy is meant to be full, and that believers still need the simple message of salvation.
Make sure you check out Julie's fantastic podcast Whispers of Grace!
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0:00 – Coming up
0:50 – Introducing Julie
3:12 – Introduction to the message and 1 John
4:30 – We know we are saved, but sometimes it doesn’t feel like it
5:35 – Making sense of what we experience and what Scripture teaches
9:47 – Fellowship is essential
10:40 – Our joy can be full
13:00 – Don’t let the waves toss you around
15:55 – The light of God and what that really means
19:28 – We can hide in darkness or let God turn on the light
25:18 – God calls you perfect and pure, but you still have to choose the light
27:40 – Julie’s personal challenge from the Lord
28:57 – Believers still need the simple message of salvation
37:30 – Julie closes in prayer
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In Part 2 of our chat with Féy from European Christian Mission, we step into the harder side of mission life - a part that’s often unseen and rarely talked about.
Féy shares honestly about walking through her son’s mental health struggles while continuing to serve on the mission field. We talk about what it’s really like to come home from overseas mission work, how you discern whether to return, and what it takes to keep saying yes to God when the cost feels overwhelming.
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2:09 - First signs that something was wrong with their son
3:10 - Working with the Kosovo refugees
6:50 - Dealing with checkpoints
8:19 - Who’s looking after the children during all of this?
9:32 - The conclusion of the Kosovo refugees
10:31 - Féy's faith during mission work and crisis with her son
10:59 - What is it like to come back from overseas mission work?
12:42 - Deciding to return to Albania
16:07 - Difference between this second trip and the first
19:23 - Greatest joy: making disciples who make disciples
20:20 - About the European Christian Mission (ECM)
23:12 - Missionary family pursuing work with young men to prevent them becoming pimps and traffickers
24:31 - What is it about missionary work that is so important?
27:18 - What is something those passionate about the mission field can be doing right now to prepare for mission work?
30:11 - Advice from Féy
31:03 - What has helped Féy to keep going?
33:44 - How does Féy live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In Part 1 of our chat with Féy Cotter from European Christian Mission we begin by tracing the early foundations of a life shaped by faith, obedience, and mission.
Féy shares about her childhood, developing a strong belief in God from a young age, and the slow, faithful unfolding of God’s call - eventually leading their family to the mission field in Albania.
This episode explores the realities of missionary life as a family: responding to God’s call with children, navigating uncertainty, experiencing evacuation during civil unrest, and witnessing the early growth of Christianity in Albania. Féy also vulnerably shares about the beginning of her son’s mental health struggles, reminding us that obedience doesn’t come without cost.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:59 - Welcome and introducing Féy
2:40 - Early years
4:45 - Christian background
5:48 - Strong belief in God at a young age
6:39 - Meeting her husband and both coming to Christ
9:00 - First interest in the mission field
12:40 - The call to go to Albania
15:32 - Should children and teenagers go to the mission field?
17:15 - Only one evangelical Christian left in Albania
18:38 - First experiences in Albania
19:35 - Civil emergency causes family to flee to Macedonia
21:05 - How did the kids respond to being in Albania
23:05 - Growing Christianity in Albania
26:38 - Was there persecution?
28:04 - Son develops depression
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In Part 2 of our chat with Miriam, she shares her heart for evangelism. From leaving her job and joining Catalyst Movement, to unpacking why there is no formula for reaching people with the gospel, this episode is a grounded and honest look at obedience, courage, and trusting God. Miriam also opens up about what excites her most about Catalyst right now, and how she lives her faith outside of Sunday - right where God has placed her.
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0:43 – Miriam’s initial involvement with Catalyst and evangelism on the mission field vs home
3:22 – Making the decision to quit her job and joining Catalyst
5:17 – About Catalyst Movement
7:11 – There is no formula for evangelism
10:06 – What does outreach look like with Catalyst Movement
15:51 – What makes Miriam passionate about evangelism
18:36 – What are you most excited about with Catalyst Movement right now?
20:16 – How does Miriam live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In Part 1 of our conversation, we sit down with Miriam and trace the foundations of her faith journey - from growing up in Warkworth as a pastor’s kid to navigating a secular high school with a (self-confessed) immature faith.
Miriam shares openly about how her view of God has matured over time, her missionary work in Africa, and how it unfortunately led to a season of disillusionment.
The conversation then turns to singleness and dating within the Christian world - including the pressures, pitfalls, and damage caused by Christian dating apps, and the risk of dating to fill a “want” or checklist rather than pursuing a genuine partnership. With honesty and wisdom, Miriam reflects on where she’s at now, offers encouragement for those in a waiting season, and names a hard truth: the church often doesn’t know how to hold singleness well.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:51 – Welcome and introducing Miriam
3:40 – Miriam’s upbringing in Warkworth
5:00 – Becoming a pastor’s kid
6:58 – Perception of God as a child
7:49 – The shock of a secular high school
9:55 – Miriam’s confidence in her faith
11:05 – From unbalanced faith to maturity
13:18 – Missionary work in Africa
14:40 – Mission leadership issues and disillusionment
21:22 – Miriam’s perception of the New Zealand Christian dating scene
22:40 – The destructive nature of Christian dating apps
23:40 – The dangers of meeting strangers on dating apps
26:35 – Dating to meet a “want” rather than a partner
28:59 – Where Miriam is at in her singleness journey
30:12 – Advice for those in the waiting season
33:05 – The church’s struggle to handle singleness
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Thankful for so much! In this final episode of 2025, Laura and I sit down to reflect on the year that’s been for Outside of Sunday. Neither of us expected this to be so emotional! We share some of the podcast stats and milestones from the year, talk honestly about the highs and the hard moments, and give a bit of behind-the-scenes insight into what it actually looks like to run this ministry day to day.
We also answer your listener questions – from how the podcast is funded and how guests or topics are chosen, to dream guests, merch plans, and whether the Outside of Sunday magazine is still happening (yes!).
Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed to the podcast this year!! The listeners, the guests, and the behind the scenes legends. But most of all, all thanks and glory to our good God.
See you in 2026, Outsiders!
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0:00 – Coming up
0:56 – Welcome to our final episode of 2025
3:03 – 2025 podcast stats
4:42 – Milestones for Outside of Sunday in 2025
6:23 – Announcing the Outside of Sunday magazine
8:38 – Laura’s “no social media” summer
11:55 – Listener question: Have you ever shared your testimony?
14:56 – How can we be praying for this ministry?
16:23 – What merch is coming for the podcast?
18:23 – Laura’s highlight of Outside of Sunday in 2025
19:41 – Christa’s highlight of 2025
21:17 – Is the magazine still happening?
22:29 – How is the podcast funded?
32:04 – How do you decide which topics or guests to feature?
33:22 – What has been your favourite episode?
33:53 – Dream guest for the podcast
35:05 – An average day for Christa working on the podcast
37:17 – Dreams for the podcast
45:29 – Did you already have all the gear?
46:16 – Creating the trust and clearing up confusion around funding
46:30 – The hardest thing about having a podcast
49:51 – Laura asks Christa: How do you live your faith outside of Sunday?
52:33 – How does Laura live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I reflect on Part 2 of my recent conversation with Kristen from Defend Young Minds, unpacking the things that lingered with us afterwards. We talk honestly about the growing use of AI, the question of whether our kids’ faces belong on public social media, and how much technology is actually helpful in family life.
We also spend time discussing shame, guilt, and godly sorrow — why shame can fuel secrecy and addiction, and how, as parents, we can respond with patience, self-control, and grace even when we get it wrong. With personal stories, practical reflections, and a biblical lens, this episode is an invitation to be intentional, hopeful, and wise as we raise children in a rapidly changing digital world.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:53 – Welcome and initial reactions to part 2
1:15 – My initial reaction: surprised predators are using AI
2:34 – Should we have our kids’ faces on public social media?
5:45 – Shame and guilt fueling addiction
6:16 – Colour filters and blue light
8:25 – Is shame ever appropriate?
9:18 – We want our kids to experience godly sorrow
10:15 – We don’t need to stay in shame or guilt
11:13 – Times our children have confessed wrongdoing
14:53 – If you have reacted with anger and shaming, with God’s help you can walk in patience and self-control
20:32 – We can curate the level of technology in our homes
26:20 – TV show stimulation now vs then
28:00 – Low-tech options for family life
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In Part 2 of our conversation with Kristen from Defend Young Minds, we dive deeper into the mental health harms of pornography and what addiction can look like in young people. Kristen shares practical, hope-filled guidance for parents—what to do if your child has already been exposed, how shame and secrecy keep kids trapped, and why today’s devices and AI-driven platforms have created new dangers like sextortion and predatory behaviour online.
We also talk about our responsibility before God, whether porn-proofing is just a “Christian issue,” and how Kristen lives out her faith beyond Sunday. This episode is honest, grounding, and full of wisdom for anyone wanting to protect and disciple the next generation in a digital world.
Website/Books: www.defendyoungminds.com/books
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DefendYM/
Instagram: @defendyoungminds
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0:00 - Previously
0:48 - The mental heath harms of Pornography and addiction
2:41 - "Kids hire p*rnography to do jobs for them"
5:52 – What to do when your child has already been exposed or become addicted to pornography
12:09 – Shame and guilt leads to secrecy
13:12 – Kristen’s new appreciation for the dangers of devices (sextortion & predators using AI)
20:17 – Our responsibility before God
21:22 – Is porn-proofing our children just a Christian issue?
30:12 – How does Kristen live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I unpack some of the big themes raised in Kristen’s conversation about protecting our kids in a world soaked in technology. We talk openly about our own first exposures to pornography, why it’s no longer just an “adult issue,” and how the internet has become the biggest gateway for children today.
We dig into practical questions every parent wrestles with - sleepovers, screens, first mention, and whether we want our kids learning from us or learning from Google. We also talk about what the Bible actually says about sex, how God designed it to be good, and how pornography distorts that design in really destructive ways.
This episode might feel a little too honest at times… but my prayer is that it gives you courage to have the hard conversations, wisdom to build real connection with your children, and confidence to walk with Jesus in the messy, modern world we’re navigating together.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
0:00 - Coming up
0:51 - Welcome and initial reactions to Kristen’s episode
2:01 - How I first found out about Good Pictures Bad Pictures
5:30 - “Pornography used to be an ‘adult’ issue - it’s not anymore”
7:27 - The only reason pornography has become an issue for children: technology
8:41 - Is technology and the internet bad? (A tool, not safe)
10:11 - We can do everything right as parents - children still need to be able to defend themselves
11:41 - My first exposure to pornography
13:52 - Laura’s decision not to let her children go to sleepovers
15:56 - Laura’s first exposure to pornography
17:51 - Do we tell our children, or do we let Google?
18:58 - The importance of having a good relationship with our children
19:18 - The power of first mention
20:22 - Having “the talk” with my daughter
23:46 - Sex is good
28:31 - Reflecting on Forrest Frank’s experience with pornography
30:39 - We shouldn’t be learning off a screen - we should learn together
32:03 - The Bible promotes good sex
33:44 - Pornography is not good
38:09 - What to do if you’re in a relationship and are tempted
50:07 - Final thoughts on pornography: it is regressive
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In this week’s episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Kristen Jenson from Defend Young Minds - a leading voice in protecting children from the harms of pornography.
Kristen shares how a heartbreaking story of sibling abuse first moved her to create the book Good Pictures Bad Pictures, and we talk honestly about why equipping our kids is one of the most loving things we can do as parents.
We unpack why pornography is linked to sexual abuse, how “porn-proofing” actually works, and why starting these conversations early makes such a difference. I also share my own experience with the book and the impact it’s had in our home.
From understanding the difference between art and pornography, to knowing what age to begin the conversation, this episode is practical, hope-filled, and deeply needed for every parent navigating the digital world.
Website/Books: www.defendyoungminds.com/books
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DefendYM/
Instagram: @defendyoungminds
X: @defendYM LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/defend-young-minds
0:00 – Coming up
0:51 – Introducing Kristen from Defend Young Minds
1:49 – What does Defend Young Minds do?
3:13 – How Kristen first decided to create a book to educate children on pornography
3:36 – Heartbreaking story of sibling abuse
9:27 – Christa’s experience with the ‘Good Pictures Bad Pictures’ book
11:43 – Porn linked to sexual abuse
14:00 – Porn proofing keeps children safe from sexual abuse
18:10 – What does the book look like?
20:31 – The difference between art and pornography
22:13 – What is the right age to start talking to your children about pornography?
29:16 – The harms of pornography
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In today’s Insight episode, we’re reflecting on part one of our chat with Charlotte and talking about why it’s so valuable to hear from believers across the Christian spectrum - different backgrounds, different traditions, and different stages of their walk with Jesus.
But our main reflection today is all about Christian parenting. We dive into the swirl of online parenting advice, talk about why discipline isn’t the same as abuse, look at what Ephesians 6 teaches us, and chat through the difference between raising kids who truly love and know Jesus versus “good little Pharisees.” We also touch on our daily need for Jesus - not just to save us (justify) but to grow and shape (sanctify) both us and our children.
Oh… AND we are redrawing our giveaway winner at the end. Congrats, Jacinda Corbett!
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0:00 – Coming up
0:43 – Intro & welcome
2:02 – Note for new listeners
2:19 – Our core values: Equip, Unite, Reach
2:45 – Reflecting the body of Christ with our podcast guests
3:54 – Listening to other believers
6:12 – My initial reaction to Charlotte’s testimony (part 1)
6:29 – Charlotte’s Mum giving approval to share difficult things from her past
7:41 – Erin Brockavich, that you?
8:02 – End times prepping
8:50 – My main takeaway: Christian parenting
9:25 – Parenting today and positive parenting social media accounts and online resources
10:00 – Discipline is not abuse: abuse is abuse
10:18 – Ephesians 6:1–4
11:00 – When it’s ok for children to disobey
11:45 – Parents, train and instruct “in the Lord”
11:58 – My parenting role model
12:40 – The importance of nurturing and determining success as a parent
13:58 – Perfect Christian parenting influencers
14:57 – “I don’t want my children to grow into good little Pharisees”
16:29 – Inviting Jesus into disciplinary moments
18:56 – Justification and sanctification
21:43 – Redrawing our giveaway! Congratulations Jacinda Corbett
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In part one of our chat with Mum and social media influencer Charlotte (@_charlotteemily__), she shares the story of her life - from a childhood marked by instability to the complicated journey of making sense of her past. Beginning with her Dad’s radical conversion and her parents’ early faith, Charlotte describes how that thread of belief remained through the years, even as her family drifted from church and home life grew increasingly unpredictable.
She reflects on the impact of her Mum’s emotional affair, the breakdown of her parents’ marriage, and the role reversals that left her without the stability she needed to prepare for adulthood.
As a teen, Charlotte struggled with self-worth, and her first serious relationship beginning in betrayal. When it ended, it triggered a season of rebellion - living in ways she knew weren’t good for her and distancing herself from God.
Charlotte also opens up about learning the truth of her Mum’s second affair, her Mum secretly divorcing her Dad, and the shock of being asked to tell her Dad about the divorce.
This conversation tells an honest, nuanced story - real, unembellished, and deeply human. It explores how a fragile thread of faith can pull someone through family trauma and rebellion, and what it looks like to slowly rebuild a life shaped by complicated beginnings.
There’s more to come next week in part two, where we hear about Charlotte becoming a social media influencer, her marriage, living in Bali, having twins, dabbling in new age and psychic practices, the breakdown of her marriage, and her return to God.
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0:00 – Welcome and introducing Charlotte
1:24 – How I connected with Charlotte
3:57 – Charlotte’s story beginning with her Dad’s radical conversion as a young man
5:35 – How one salvation can impact generations
6:20 – Mum’s Christian background
8:02 – Parent’s decision to leave ‘church’
9:53 – Unstable childhood
18:15 – Mum’s emotional affair and parents separation
20:11 – Parent role reversal
24:24 – “There was no safety or stability”
25:50 – Mum decides to do a law degree
28:08 – Was Christianity modelled at all?
30:50 – Going to church as a teen and Charlotte’s personal faith
32:40 – Diminishing self worth as a teen
33:48 – Dad’s focus on end times
36:29 – Mum’s focus on keeping home troubles private
37:57 – Unprepared for adult life
39:03 – Charlotte’s deep desire to get married and have children
40:08 – First relationship and betrayal
48:48 – Learning to understand her past and to have the tools for the future
51:38 – Angry with God, rebelling, moving to Sydney
54:03 – Coming home to God
57:19 – The choice to stay in Australia or New Zealand
58:17 – Learning about Mum’s affair
1:00:07 – Mum divorces Dad in secret and Charlotte is asked to tell her Dad about the divorce
1:02:50 – Living with her parents, losing her license
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In today’s Insights episode, get ready for a relaxed (and slightly silly) chat sparked by our incredible previous guest, Riley Kehoe. From troll comments about my “hideous” Kiwi accent to why I genuinely believe Christians should be the most excited people at Christmas - it’s definitely tangent city, but I hope it blesses you and leaves you with a smile on your face.
And while there’s plenty of light-heartedness, I also wanted to share the one big takeaway Riley’s story left me with: unity. Not just unity in the body of Christ, but unity within our own walk with the Lord.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:45 - Welcome
3:50 - Troll comments on my New Zealand accent
6:27 - The difference between the New Zealand and Australian accent
9:15 - Christmas thoughts, Christians should be the most excited about the season
16:41 - You have no reason to NOT celebrate Christmas and Easter
17:47 - Christmas is NOT pagan
20:32 - My reflections on Riley’s episode: Unity
21:20 - Podcast recommendation: American and Charismatic Christianity with Andy Squires
21:47 - In Christianity we tend to divide
23:07 - My passion for unity
23:20 - Unity not just in the body of Christ, but in my own faith
25:08 - ‘Oceans’ is a litmus test
27:19 - I don’t think God hates poetry
28:08 - I JUDGED ‘Oceans’
29:08 - The Bible references in ‘Oceans’
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In part two of our chat with Riley, she opens up about the life-altering moments that shaped her faith - from the tsunami she survived in part one, to (in this episode) the split-second courage it took to help save a drowning man in the middle of a stormy ocean. Riley shares honestly about facing death head-on, what those moments revealed about God, and how they matured her walk with Jesus.
We also dive into her journey through singleness - the difference between closed vs open singleness, and why she believes both marriage and singleness are gifts. Riley speaks candidly about the reality that marriage isn’t guaranteed, the beauty of trusting God with your story, and the freedom she’s discovered along the way.
She also shares what inspires her to keep telling her story, what she’s been enjoying about podcasting, and how she chooses to live her faith outside of Sunday.
Check out Rileys book and ministry at: www.rileywithcourage.com
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
0:00 – Previously
0:45 – Three seconds of courage
3:00 – Resuscitating drowned man in the middle of the ocean
4:50 – Walking away and reflecting on these huge events
10:00 – The reality of being faced with death
11:56 – Riley’s journey maturing in her faith
18:06 – Riley’s journey in singleness
21:29 – Closed vs open singleness
22:09 – “Marriage is a gift and singleness is a gift”
25:15 – Love finds you in your purpose
26:10 – Marriage isn’t guaranteed
29:47 – What inspires Riley to keep sharing her story
31:55 – How to get in touch with Riley and buy her book
32:42 – What has Riley been enjoying about her podcast?
34:25 – How does Riley live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In part 1 of this powerful testimony, Riley Kehoe shares how her childhood trip to Thailand in 2004 turned life-changing. At just ten years old, Riley and her family experienced the 9.1 earthquake and the devastating tsunami that followed - the deadliest natural disaster of the 21st century.
From prophetic dreams that led her family to New Zealand, to the moment she saw the wave racing toward them, Riley recounts her story of courage, trauma, and a good God who carried her through it all. With faith, prayer, and miracles along the way, this episode reminds us that even in the midst of extreme disaster, God is so near.
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Click here to go to Riiley's website to purchase her book and learn more about her ministry.
0:00 – Coming up
1:00 – Welcome and introducing Riley
3:13 – The prophetic dreams that brought Riley to New Zealand
5:41 – Giving her life to Jesus at five years old
7:05 – Visiting Thailand in 2004 for mission work and Christmas
8:47 – The 9.1 earthquake and experiencing the infamous Thailand tsunami as a ten-year-old
10:47 – The first sign of something wrong
12:11 – Seeing a thin white line (25m tsunami wave)
12:25 – Mum’s prayer: “God, where are my children?”
13:50 – Seeing the tsunami wave hit and running for their lives
16:08 – The deadliest natural disaster of the 21st century
16:21 – Did this disaster shake Riley’s faith?
18:28 – Doubt can lead us towards Jesus
20:58 – Choosing to stay and help with the rescue effort
23:19 – Coming back to New Zealand
25:17 – Dealing with fear of the ocean
26:08 – Fighting between courage and fear
28:10 – Three seconds of courage
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In today's episode, I'll be sharing an update regarding Amelia Fowler, and reflect on her beautiful legacy of faith. I'm also taking a look at some of your comments from Henare’s viral clip, react to Wes Huff’s episode, and touch on the Cookie Time controversy (yes, really).
Later in the episode, we will switch to a recording from the Truth Matters conference, where Laura and I sat down right as it was wrapping up to share our thoughts on the speakers, the moments that stood out, and what it all stirred in us. Stay with us to the end as I draw the winners of our last giveaway for 2025!
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0:00 – Coming Up: A look at what’s ahead in today’s episode
0:30 – Intro: Welcome back to Outside of Sunday
0:40 – What’s Coming Up Today: From heartfelt updates to honest reactions
0:50 – Remembering Amelia Fowler
3:07 – Your Comments on Henare’s Viral Clip
7:26 – Reacting to the Wes Huff Episode
9:20 – The Cookie Time Controversy: Clearing the air
12:52 – The Man on the Deserted Island: Responding to your comments
19:02 – Is There Still Hope for the Man on the Island? My personal reflections
22:58 – Live from Truth Matters Conference: Christa and Laura’s on-the-day reflections
26:23 – Reacting to the Truth Matters Speakers
32:10 – Our Take on Wes Huff’s Message
37:36 – Final Thoughts on Truth Matters
39:52 – Giveaway Winners Announced
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Aaron and Emma Falconer — the amazing husband-and-wife duo behind Come and Know Me. Their passion for Christ and the gospel is inspiring and I'm incredibly grateful for their mission to platform scriptural truth is such a creative way. It's beautiful.
Aaron and Emma share the heart behind Come and Know Me, the impact it’s having here in New Zealand, and what’s coming next - including the Romans Project and Festival One. They also open up about making music before and after having kids, and offer some real encouragement for other Christian artists on the same journey. Thank you Aaron and Emma!
To check out the project and find out more about Aaron and Emma click here.
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0:00 – Coming up on Outside of Sunday
0:40 – Intro
0:50 – Welcome Aaron & Emma Falconer to Outside of Sunday
1:27 – About Come and Know Me – the heart behind the music
2:35 – Meet Aaron & Emma Falconer – Christian musicians and worship leaders
3:40 – Their time in Dallas and how it shaped their faith journey
6:43 – Coming to faith and following God’s call into music ministry
8:59 – The driving force and inspiration behind Come and Know Me
10:22 – The impact of Come and Know Me across New Zealand’s Christian music scene
12:22 – What’s next: Romans Project, Festival One, and future worship music plans
13:39 – How to connect with Aaron & Emma Falconer online and through ministry
13:58 – Making music before and after having children – faith, family, and creativity
16:31 – Aaron & Emma’s advice and encouragement for NZ Christian music artists
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In this special episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa sits down with Christian apologist and podcaster Wesley Huff for some Kiwi Snacks and Christian Chats! From Grainwaves and Pineapple Lumps to L&P and Whittaker’s, every snack comes with a big question about life, truth, and living out our faith.
Wes shares how his pursuit of truth shapes his faith, what life has been like since appearing on the Joe Rogan podcast, and his thoughts on the rapture, end times, and the “man on the desert island” question - with Christa pushing back on one of his answers...
A mix of laughter, insight, theology - and our favourite classic Kiwi snacks! Let us know what you think about this episode in the comments.
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0:00 – Coming up: Kiwi Snacks and Christian Chats with Wesley Huff
0:48 – Welcome to Outside of Sunday and introducing Christian apologist Wesley Huff
2:27 – 🥔 Snack #1: Grainwaves - Is Christianity a biased lens for truth, or the foundation of it?
5:37 – 🍍 Snack #2: Pineapple Lumps - When evidence and faith collide: Wesley Huff on intellectual tension and belief
9:50 – 🍪 Snack #3: Cookie Time - Is Wesley Huff really named after the farm boy in The Princess Bride?
11:54 – 🥤 Snack #4: L&P - What are Wesley Huff’s views on the rapture and end times?
15:11 – 🍫 Snack #5: Whittaker’s Creamy Milk Chocolate - Has Wes’s view on the “man on the desert island” and salvation changed?
17:40 – Christa pushes back: What about Cornelius?
20:05 – 🧂 Snack #6: Bluebird Salt & Vinegar Chips + Kiwi Onion Dip - Life after the Joe Rogan podcast
21:35 – 🍪 Snack #7: Squiggle Biscuits & 🥭 Snack #8: Feijoa Smoothie - Wesley Huff’s advice for Christians defending their faith
24:39 – How Wesley Huff lives his faith outside of Sunday
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Today's episode is a sobering one, but such an important listen. I sat down with Tony and Louisa from Child Rescue at the Thinking Matters 'Truth Matters' conference. Child Rescue is an organisation working to locate and free children trapped in exploitation around the world.
In this episode you'll hear what this work actually looks like - where the children are being rescued from, how the raids happen, and the heartbreaking reality of the trauma no child should have to endure. One story I can’t stop thinking about is the girl at the green gate - a three-year-old who was being sold online. For two years, one team member devoted himself to searching through Google Maps and walking the streets until he finally found her and was able to orchestrate her rescue from her abusers.
We talked about how Tony and Louisa hold onto hope and how their faith sustains and motivates them in their work.
If this episode moves you like it did me, please take a moment to pray for the work Child Rescue is doing - and if you can, visit their website (https://www.childrescue.org.nz/) to support or get involved.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
0:00 – Coming Up
0:43 – Intro
1:19 – Meet Louisa
1:57 – Meet Tony
2:33 – What Is Child Rescue? The mission behind the organisation and how they fight child exploitation.
6:17 – Where Are the Children Being Rescued? The places and countries affected most by trafficking and abuse.
9:48 – The Biggest Drivers of Trauma
10:38 – How Do Rescues Actually Happen? From intelligence gathering to on-the-ground operations.
14:29 – Inside the Raids
17:15 – Faith is the key
19:00 – Stories That Stay With You: Including the heartbreaking rescue of the girl at the green gate - a 3-year-old found after two years of searching.
28:00 – How to Support Child Rescue: Ways to pray, give, or get involved in this vital work.
29:27 – How do Tony and Louisa live their faith outside of Sunday?
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This chat was recorded at the Truth Matters Conference - and it wasn’t even supposed to happen! Todd Funk stepped in at the last minute to fill in for astrophysicist Dr. Luke Barnes, and with no prep and no plan, we hit record and went with the flow. What came out was one of the most genuine and inspiring conversations as Todd shared his passion with us.
Todd talks about how the 4–14 window is the most strategic - and often overlooked - harvest field in the Christian world. From his work with Launch Pad (Bible in Schools) to Children’s Bible Ministries at Camp Raglan, Todd has a FIRE in his belly for the kids of New Zealand, and I’m so thankful we have him! We also touch on his apologetics work and tackle the question, “Why does truth matter?”.
👉 Learn more about Thinking Matters at thinkingmatters.org.nz
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0:00 – Coming up
1:00 – About Todd Funk and coming to New Zealand
1:39 – The most strategic harvest field: the 4–14 window
2:50 – Todd’s role at Thinking Matters and reaching young minds for Christ
3:42 – Reaching kids for Christ in today’s culture
5:35 – Launch Pad (Bible in Schools)
6:35 – Pushback on sharing the gospel in schools
8:02 – Camp Raglan
10:06 – Living in God’s purpose
13:56 – Why truth matters
14:59 – The most compelling evidences for Christ
17:25 – How Todd lives his faith outside of Sunday
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In this second part of our chat with Henare Whaanga, we pick up where we left off - asking what’s contributed to the shift away from Christianity in Māoridom, and whether faith and culture can truly coexist. If you’ve ever wrestled with how to honour your culture while following Christ, I hope this conversation will bless you.
Henare shares his thoughts on navigating identity, subjectivism, and the growing resurgence of Māori spirituality. We also touch on whether a spiritual experience alone is enough to sustain our faith.
This is an honest conversation that you might find challenging - but my hope is that it will leave you encouraged and embracing the opportunity to grow in grace where we disagree.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
For more information and resources from Thinking Matters head to www.thinkingmatters.org.nz
0:00 – Previously: Recap of Part 1 and Henare’s journey so far
1:10 – Why Many Māori Are Shifting Away from Christianity: Cultural, historical, and social factors shaping faith today
4:26 – Subjectivism in Māoridom
6:05 – Reconciling Christianity with Te Ao Māori
7:33 – A Confronting Kōrero: Nothing is true
8:41 – From Re-indigenisation to Māori Religion: When celebrating heritage turns spiritual
11:19 – “Not the First Generation to Wrestle with This”
12:35 – Picking a Side: Choosing where to stand when faith and culture collide
14:23 – Leaving Old Religions for Christ: How every culture has faced this crossroads
17:01 – Why a Spiritual Experience Is Not Enough: The need for spirit and truth
21:32 – Does the New Zealand Church Need Change?
24:02 – Henare’s Words to the Doubting: Encouragement for those questioning their faith
25:42 – Henare’s Words to the Wrestling: Finding peace between culture and Christianity
27:47 – Henare answers how he lives his faith 'outside of Sunday'
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In this episode, I sit down with Henare Whaanga at the Truth Matters Conference for an honest chat about faith and identity. Henare shares his journey to Christ and what it’s been like walking with Jesus as Māori - which hasn’t always been easy...
We tackle big questions too, like whether Christianity was just a tool of colonisation, and how forgiveness radically shaped Māori in the 19th century. It’s real, thought-provoking, and such an important conversation to have.
Part two drops 23 October, where we’ll go even deeper into what’s shaped the shift in Māoridom away from Christianity, explore the resurgence of Māori spirituality, and talk about how it is possible to reconcile faith and culture.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
For more information and resources from Thinking Matters head to www.thinkingmatters.org.nz
- 0:00 – Coming up: What to expect in this conversation with Henare Whaanga
- 1:09 – Welcome & Introduction: Meet Henare and hear a little about him
- 2:17 – Henare’s Journey to Christ: Personal testimony of how he found faith
- 7:45 – Being a Christian in a Māori Space: Challenges of following Jesus within Māori communities
- 10:04 – Is Christianity a Tool of Colonisation?: Exploring historical and cultural questions
- 17:30 – Forgiveness and Māori History: How the concept of forgiveness shaped Māori society in the 19th century
- 20:48 – Coming up in Part 2
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura start by catching up on the very first Outsider Retreat - sharing a few highlights, from late-night karaoke to a beautiful shared communion. Then, they reflect on MK’s powerful two-part episode, revisiting the story, their reactions, and the deeper lessons about faith, surrender, and spiritual growth that came through it all. From The Pilgrim’s Progress to the purpose of the Church, this episode invites you to pause and consider how God uses even our hardest seasons to grow us closer to Him.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:00 - Welcome
3:00 - Outsider Retreat chat
12:52 - Recap and reaction to part 1
15:32 - Recap and reaction to part 2
18:04 - Laura draws from the Pilgrims Progress
20:57 - When Christians face trials we have a choice… our will or His
23:38 - It all comes down to spiritual growth
25:53 - The purpose of the church is not evangelism
30:49 - Does God cause suffering so that we grow in our faith?
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In part two of MK’s story, we pick up right where things left off. Harlee had just been born - the baby MK had longed for - but right from the start, she could tell something wasn’t right. And when the doctors said everything was fine, her mother’s intuition kept telling her that something was seriously wrong.
What followed was a long stretch of sleepless nights, confusion, hospital visits, and moments where she had to hold on tight to her faith. But what’s beautiful is how she tells it - not from a place of despair, but with joy and gratitude for what God did through it all. You’ll hear how He showed up in the middle of her fear and exhaustion, and how MK learned to see His goodness even when things didn’t make sense.
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0:00 – Previously
1:15 – Harlee’s Birth and a Mother’s Intuition That Something Was Wrong
4:28 – Constant Crying and Sleepless Nights Begin
5:33 – Doctors Miss Crucial Health Issues with Newborn Harlee
7:27 – The Moment a Serious Health Issue Is Finally Confirmed
14:00 – Emergency Flight to Starship Children’s Hospital
20:55 – Sleep Deprivation and Holding on to Faith
22:58 – Harlee’s Surgery and Recovery
30:46 – Reconciling Harlee’s Journey with God and Finding Joy
43:54 – Final Reflections from MK on God’s Faithfulness
47:35 – How MK Lives Her Faith Outside of Sunday
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, we're sitting down with Marethie (MK) to hear her journey of faith across continents and seasons of life. Growing up in South Africa, MK experienced stability and challenges - from boarding school days and navigating teenage faith to facing bankruptcy as a family and the life-changing move to New Zealand. MK shares about meeting her husband, building a life together, and how walking with Jesus held her marriage together. You’ll be encouraged by MK’s honesty a the reminder that God is faithful wherever life takes you.
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0:00 – Coming Up
1:09 – Welcome MK to Outside of Sunday
2:31 – Growing Up in South Africa
4:17 – MK’s Christian Upbringing
7:25 – Life at Boarding School in South Africa
14:29 – Teenage Years and Avoiding Substances
17:45 – Relationship with the Lord During Teen Years
20:38 – Bankruptcy in South Africa and Moving to New Zealand
25:53 – Starting Over and Establishing Life in NZ
28:53 – Meeting Her Husband and Building a Relationship
34:42 – Walking with Jesus in Marriage
38:35 – How Children Change You
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In this Insights episode, Laura and I are reflecting on some of the themes that came out of Dianna’s story. We talk about how love needs to be more than just words, the power of one person saying “yes” to God, and what it really looks like to walk in the works He’s prepared for us.
We share some of our own challenges and Laura brings her perspective on what it means to be made in God’s image. It was such a great conversation and a reminder for us all that at the end of the day, it's only what’s done for Christ that lasts.
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1:00 - Welcome
2:00 - Comments
5:23 - Recap on Dianna’s episode
6:59 - Laura’s thoughts
9:00 - Love paired with action
9:47 - What God can do with one person who says ‘yes’
12:39 - Have the right motive
13:36 - What it means to be made in God’s images
17:00 - Comparing with others
19:07 - Walking in the works God has for you
20:00 - Grit and personal challenges for Laura and Christa
23:16 - Only what’s done for Christ remains
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In part one, we heard about Dianna’s ministry reaching women in the brothels of Pattaya and beyond. In this second part, we step into her own story - growing up in California, walking away from God while enjoying success in Hollywood, and the pain of abuse that marked her childhood and married life.
But her testimony doesn’t end in brokenness. Dianna shares how truth came to light, justice was done, and how God redeemed deep wounds. This conversation is raw and honest - but full of hope in a God who heals and restores.
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0:00 – Previously
0:50 – Intro
1:00 – Covid shuts down brothels and leads to independence
4:30 – Dianna’s testimony growing up in California
7:45 – Christian background
8:05 – A predator at church
12:34 – Working in Hollywood on movie sets and runways, walking away from the Lord
13:31 – Meeting her husband
17:20 – Truth comes out, abuser receives justice
20:20 – God redeems our pain
23:20 – Coming back to Christ
32:29 – Q&A: The one that got away
34:49 – Q&A: Choosing which number girl when entering the brothels
36:53 – Q&A: Reconciling marriage breakdown with the Lord
39:47 – Q&A: Who do the girls go to when they’ve been attacked or abused?
42:08 – Q&A: Protecting yourself when constantly seeing extreme abuse
44:40 – Living faith outside of Sunday
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In this moving episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa speaks with Dianna from Free Rain International, an organisation dedicated to rescuing and restoring victims of s*x trafficking. From the heartbreaking reality of life in slums and brothels to the story of the very first girl freed, Dianna shares the challenges, victories, and gospel-centered hope at the heart of their work. Together they discuss the invisible chains of slavery, the risks of confronting brothel owners, the trauma survivors face, and the healing journey through education, counselling, and faith in Jesus.
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0:00 – Coming Up
0:42 – Welcome to Dianna from Free Rain International
1:15 – What is Free Rain International? (Anti-Trafficking Ministry)
2:45 – The Unimaginable Devastation of Human Trafficking
3:36 – A Hair Salon in the Slum
7:37 – How Free Rain Connects Victims with Help and Hope
8:10 – Outreach Inside a Brothel
11:53 – Facing Conflict with Brothel Owners
17:40 – The Invisible Chains of Modern Slavery
18:54 – The Story of “Rain” – Free Rain’s First Rescue
24:30 – Trafficking of Boys and Men
26:24 – When a Victim Joins Free Rain International
28:30 – Health and Hygiene Education for Survivors
30:28 – Daily Routine, Counselling, and Care
31:47 – How Free Rain Partners with the Gospel
35:40 – A 19-Year-Old Sold and Abused by Fishermen
39:39 – The Origin of the Phrase “Me Love You Long Time”
40:46 – From Brothel Work to New Life in Jesus
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Hey Outsiders, this week’s episode is a little different. Laura and I are taking time to reflect on the shocking m*rder of Charlie Kirk and the way it’s impacted Christians here in New Zealand and around the world. We’re also joined by the hosts of The Conservative Pentecostal, Phil Me In, and Whispers of Grace podcasts, who share their own thoughts and encouragement.
Something has shifted. For many of us, Charlie’s death has raised big questions about fear, courage, and what it really means to stand firm in our faith as the opposing culture grows louder. Together, we talk honestly about grief, forgiveness, responsibility, and the hope we have in Christ.
My prayer is that this conversation reminds you that we’re not alone in this - we are outsiders, yes, but we’re outsiders together. The stakes for being a public Christian, for holding a different opinion, for being an outsider in this world, have been raised. But more than ever, we must love those who hate us, so that the kindness of God might lead them to repentance, that they might know the love of God and Jesus Christ whom He sent.
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0:00 – Coming up: Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s death
0:59 – Welcome and Christa's thoughts
8:12 – Laura's response
9:40 – Looking at Charlie’s controversial comments in full context
11:30 – Practicing discernment on the internet
12:11 – How Christa and Laura first learned of Charlie being shot
14:03 – God already using Charlie’s death for His glory
15:00 – Reaction from Janneke (The Conservative Pentecostal Podcast)
16:53 – Why Charlie’s m*rder has had such a strong impact
20:45 – Showing Christ when attacked for faith and values
22:50 – Learning to expect hatred as Christians
24:06 – The impact of Charlie’s courageous faith
25:13 – Janneke’s encouragement for the Christian community
26:54 – Building each other up as believers while we can
28:15 – Death is not the end for the Christian
30:06 – Why Charlie’s death feels so impactful for believers
34:12 – Reaction from Philip Brown (Phil Me In Podcast)
36:15 – Why New Zealand has reacted so strongly - positively and negatively
40:08 – Processing life, death, and cognitive dissonance
40:30 – Worldview of the oppressed vs. oppressor
41:44 – The negative reaction in New Zealand
43:40 – Reflecting on death and eternity
45:35 – A challenge to New Zealand Christians
48:37 – Phil’s call for NZ pastors to repent
51:20 – Raising standards of biblical understanding
53:44 – Stewarding an online platform well
55:25 – Identity rhetoric as part of the problem
57:09 – Why the NZ church avoids controversial issues
58:37 – Having faith conversations with gentleness and respect
59:43 – Recommended resource: Stand to Reason
1:01:48 – Julie (Whispers of Grace Podcast) shares as an American in NZ
1:03:53 – Why Charlie’s death is being felt around the world
1:08:15 – Why Christians should mourn Charlie’s death
1:10:06 – Hope and encouragement in persecution
1:13:00 – Lessons from Jonah to guide our response
1:15:03 – Grieving a brother and forgiving his killer
1:20:40 – An outpouring of love and forgiveness
1:24:03 – Psalm 61 shared
1:24:57 – Remembering we were once lost
1:27:16 – Call to pray for the lost
1:29:35 – The safest place to be is in the will of God
1:28:53 – Final thoughts from Christa
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In this episode, I sit down with my cousin Allen - our very first male guest on Outside of Sunday! We dive deep into a topic that’s fascinating and a little mind-bending: angels, demons, and everything in between.
We unpack misconceptions, explore cherubim, seraphim, the Nephilim, and even touch on the book of Enoch and UFOs - all while keeping a focus on what the Bible actually says, and making it clear what it doesn’t.
These are interesting topics, sometimes challenging, but an incredibly thought-provoking conversation that will leave you seeing the unseen in a whole new way.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:30 - Intro
0:40 - Welcome & Introducing Allen
1:48 - About Allen: Testimony and Service in Church
7:09 - Allen’s Fascination with the Supernatural
8:31 - What is Demonology?
8:48 - Misconceptions of What an Angel Is: Biblical Definition of Angel
11:35 - What is a Cherub? Living Creatures
16:32 - What Are Seraphim?
20:24 - Insights from the Septuagint Version of the Bible
22:53 - Angels Don’t Have Wings
25:20 - Do Angels Look Like a Man?
25:53 - The Named Angels
27:14 - The Only Arch-Angel in the Bible
30:17 - Guardian Angels
31:36 - UFOs and the Open Door to Christianity
32:46 - Interspace or Interdimension?
35:59 - What Are Demons? Where Did They Come From?
36:27 - The Book of Enoch: Not Scripture but an Insight
37:24 - The Book of Daniel Lays Out ‘The Silent Year’ of the Bible
39:00 - Is the Book of Enoch Quoted in the New Testament?
42:24 - Biblical Account of Demons
42:41 - Jewish Scholarly Understanding of Demons
43:40 - Did Demons Come from the Nephilim?
48:52 - What Are the Spirits Bound in Chains?
49:56 - Fallen Angels
50:30 - When Did Satan Fall and Take 1/3 of the Angels with Him?
55:29 - Allen’s Thoughts on K-Pop Demon Hunters
1:07:19 - Resource Recommendations for Bible Study
1:10:59 - How Does Allen Live His Faith Outside of Sunday?
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In this special collab with 'Her Theology', Christa sits down with Cass to talk about why the church needs both real testimonies and solid theology. One without the other just doesn’t work - we need stories that remind us of God’s goodness, and truth from Scripture to keep us grounded.
But this is OOS, so of course the conversation doesn’t end there! Cass and Christa go down all kinds of trails: from viral reels and hidden sin, to porn and love addiction, even new age beliefs and aliens 👀. Together they explore how testimonies are a witness for Christ and encourage us to endure in our faith, and how theology helps us discern, grow, and stay close to Jesus.
If you’ve ever wondered whether your story matters, or whether theology is really that important, this episode is for you. It’s honest, a little raw, but full of hope - and we pray it points you to Christ.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:30 - Welcome from Cass and Christa
2:40 - About Outside of Sunday and the importance and power of testimony
7:29 – Viral response to Jenna’s reel: Pastor’s wife’s affair
11:06 – Why Christa decided to post the reel
12:20 – Caring for Jenna as the reel went viral
13:43 – Honest testimonies about adultery and sin
15:22 – How testimonies grow us in grace
17:20 – Why sin grows in the dark
18:18 – Porn addiction and the church’s response
19:51 – Adultery of the heart explained
21:00 – Hiding in shame and toxic Christianity
23:23 – Guarding your heart by guarding your mind
26:08 – Understanding love addiction
27:40 – Marketing and covetousness
31:08 – Why we can’t force change in others
34:10 – Christa shares her biggest challenge
37:09 – New Age, aliens, and how Christians have answers
42:05 – Can God be fully known?
44:23 – Letting the Lord correct us
48:38 – God’s patience with Moses and with us
51:50 – Reading the Bible without condemnation
59:02 – How theology protects us from spiritual abuse
1:05:17 – Why sharing testimonies matters
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In this Insights episode, we're diving into something that’s been on everyone’s radar - the animated movie K-Pop Demon Hunters. After Lydia’s testimony last week (where she shared so much about her encounters with demons), it felt right to pull these two together - taking the opportunity to learn from her experience and compare what we see in the movie with the word of God.
I’ll share a bit of my own story too (including nightmares and sleep paralysis), unpack what this movie is really saying about demons, and look at how we can answer the big questions kids might ask: Can demons love? Do they have powers? Could a Christian be possessed?
And if your kids have already seen it - don’t panic. I’ll talk through how this can actually be an opportunity to have a really good faith conversation at home. My hope is that this episode gives you both confidence and clarity to talk with your kids about K-Pop Demon Hunters - and to see how God’s truth helps us answer even the biggest questions about demons and the spiritual realm.
Click here to watch this movie on YouTube.
0:00 – Coming Up
0:40 – Welcome + Exciting Outsider Retreat Announcement
2:51 – Recap: Lydia’s Powerful Testimony
4:16 – What Listeners Are Saying
7:08 – First Reflections on Lydia’s Story
11:31 – Breaking Down the Plot of K-Pop Demon Hunters
12:51 – Have My Kids Seen It? + My Sleep Paralysis Experience
16:02 – If Your Kids Already Watched It
17:19 – Five Messages About Demons in K-Pop Demon Hunters
18:44 – Ugly vs. Beautiful Demons: What the Bible Shows Us
21:20 – Do Demons Really Have “Cool Powers”?
22:39 – Understanding Familiar Spirits
24:10 – Were Demons Once Human?
25:07 – Are Some Demons Slaves Against Their Will?
25:44 – Can Demons Feel or Even Love?
27:44 – Spotting “Positive” Messages in K-Pop Demon Hunters
31:47 – Can Christians Actually Be Possessed?
34:52 – How to Start a Conversation with Your Kids About K-Pop Demon Hunters
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In part two of our chat with Lydia, she shares her incredible journey of transformation in Christ. Building on her battles with addiction, witchcraft, and demonic oppression, Lydia opens up about once believing she could be an LGBT Christian - until she was confronted with the Word of God and realised she had to walk away. She testifies to God’s miraculous healing of her endometriosis, His call to holiness, and the boldness He’s given her to live unashamed for Jesus. This conversation points us to the sanctifying power of God at work, and still working, in a surrendered life.
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0:00 – Previously in Part 1
0:37 – Journey Toward Sobriety: Finding Freedom From Addiction
1:56 – Withdrawals and Facing Serotonin Syndrome
3:15 – Giving Up Weed and Growing Confident in God
13:11 – Dabbling in Witchcraft Before Coming to Christ
16:00 – Lydia’s Experience With Demonic Possession and Oppression
19:42 – Does Lydia Still See Demons After Deliverance?
21:32 – Lydia’s Miraculous Healing of Endometriosis
27:58 – Boldness for the Lord: Living Unashamed as a Christian
32:12 – Leaving a Lesbian Lifestyle: Lydia’s Turning Point
41:20 – Why Calling Herself a ‘Gay Christian’ Couldn’t Last
47:28 – We Don’t Need to Fix Ourselves Before Coming to God
49:13 – Lydia’s Message of Hope to Listeners
53:08 – Living Faith Outside of Sunday
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Lydia to hear her powerful testimony of how God rescued her out of deep brokenness. Before she even finished high school, Lydia was battling s*lf-harm, addiction, and drug-induced psychosis that left her tormented by darkness and overwhelmed by despair.
She shares about terrifying encounters with demons and the moment she felt ready to end her life. But in her lowest point, after an overdose, Lydia cried out to Jesus - and everything changed.
Lydia also opens up about her struggle to reconcile her LGBT lifestyle with her faith, the prayer that enabled her to walk away, and how complete surrender to Christ brought freedom and new life.
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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Welcome and introducing Lydia
1:32 – Life before finding Jesus
3:03 – Family background
5:04 – Catholic roots
5:37 – Miraculous survival after premature birth
7:00 – Pre-teen years and self-harm
11:12 – Entering the Mental Health system at 16
14:02 – Self-medicating with drugs
16:47 – Drug-induced psychosis
18:11 – Seeing demons everywhere
19:27 – Hopelessness and preparing to end her life
24:30 – Overdose and crying out to Jesus
27:20 – Wrestling with LGBT lifestyle and faith
31:31 – Praying for strength to leave her partner
32:00 – Complete surrender to Jesus
39:21 – Coming up next week
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I have a rich conversation about what it really means to handle disagreements in the body of Christ. We talk about everything from repentance within our families to keeping short accounts with the Lord, and how grace, gentleness, and love should guide the way we speak.
We also get into friendships across different denominations, rejecting tribalism, and why fragile theology can so often leads to offence. With personal stories, biblical examples, and some listener comments, this one will make you think about how we can both speak the truth in love - and hear it in love.
In this episode we mention Ashley Stevensons episode - click here to listen now.
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0:00 – Coming up in this Insights episode
0:45 – Welcome & recap of Part 1 and Part 2 with Janneke
1:51 – Listener comments
3:09 – Repentance to family members when we’ve sinned
4:49 – Keeping short accounts with the Lord through daily confession
6:11 – Being ready to give an answer to our children about faith
7:30 – My trepidation heading into the interview with Janneke
9:30 – How Christians can approach disagreements with grace and gentleness
11:13 – Friendship with people from different denominations or theology
12:28 – How many Christian denominations are there?
12:47 – Why we must reject tribalism in the church
14:45 – Fragile theology leads to offence
15:24 – Laura’s experience of having a conversation rather than a confrontation
17:16 – No one becomes a Christian with perfect theology: just understand the gospel
18:45 – We agree on 90–95% of theology with most Christians
20:52 – Not just speaking the truth in love, but hearing the truth in love
23:54 – Paul and Peter: A biblical example of speaking and hearing truth in love
27:37 – The fundamental Christian doctrines we must agree on
32:10 – A challenge from Laura and Christa to live out grace in disagreement
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Could you forgive someone who left you in pain for the rest of your life?
In part two of Janneke’s story, she shares how a botched surgery left her in constant pain - and the incredible journey that led her to forgive the surgeon responsible. She opens up about the court proceedings, reconciling her condition with the Lord, and finding peace even when the miracle she prayed for didn’t come. In the midst of pain in every step, Janneke shows what it means to grow in grace and live faithfully for Him.
We reflect on the hymn It Is Well With My Soul, and Janneke offers encouragement to anyone still waiting for a breakthrough, and shares why she launched The Conservative Pentecostal podcast. From handling online trolls to challenging the Church with difficult conversations, Janneke calls us to extend grace to one another - even when we disagree theologically - and to stay rooted in the Word.
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0:00 - Previously
0:41 - Intro
0:51 - Janneke’s Botched Foot Surgery
4:36 - Court Proceedings After Surgery
5:12 - Choosing Forgiveness for the Surgeon
5:56 - Living in Permanent Pain with Every Step
6:19 - Reconciling Her Condition with the Lord
8:35 - Encouragement for Those Waiting on a Miracle
10:38 - Reflecting on It Is Well With My Soul
13:37 - Launching The Conservative Pentecostal Podcast
16:58 - Tackling Challenging & Controversial Christian Topics
17:58 - Learning to Grow in Grace
22:17 - Handling Online Trolls
24:48 - A Message for the Wider Christian Community
27:49 - How does Janneke live her faith outside of Sunday?
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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, we’re sitting down with Janneke - a fellow Christian podcaster whose faith took on new depth when pride was revealed in her heart and the unexpected journey of becoming a step-mum later in life.
Raised in a strong Christian home, Janneke wrestled with pride in her so-called “faithfulness,” only to be gently humbled by God and refined through deep study of His Word.
She opens up about her season of singleness and the unique joys and challenges of entering a blended family - from building trust with her step-child to navigating life with her first baby added to the mix. Whether you're in a blended family, walking alongside someone who is, or even if this topic doesn’t seem directly relevant, Janneke’s honesty, wisdom, and God-honouring perspective will bless you just as it blessed me.
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0:00 – Coming Up
1:00 – Welcome & Introducing Janneke
3:36 – Growing Up in a Christian Home
4:33 – When Pride Hides in “Faithfulness”
5:34 – Deepening Her Faith Through the Word
6:33 – A Testimony of Generational Faith
8:31 – Singleness, Dating, and Marriage Later in Life
14:57 – Becoming a Step-Mum: Real Talk on Blended Families
18:53 – Building a Bond with a Step-Child
22:30 – Gaining Trust as a Step-Parent
25:41 – What God Has Shown Janneke Through Step-Parenting
28:37 – Welcoming Her First Baby
32:01 – Encouragement from the Birth-Father to Step-Parents
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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa opens up an important conversation around untangling New Age ideas and Christian faith. From yoga and manifestation to meditation and mindset, she reflects on how some spiritual practices can blur the lines - and why it matters. With listener comments, personal experience, and biblical insight, this episode invites you to pause, reflect, and explore what it means to follow Jesus with diligence along the narrow way.
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0:00 – Coming Up
0:50 – Welcome and intro to this week’s Insights episode
2:25 – Listener comments
2:58 – July giveaway winner announced
4:16 – What does it mean to untangle Christianity from New Age spirituality?
5:04 – Christa’s personal experience with yoga
6:03 – Can Christians practise yoga? A biblical perspective
6:40 – What does God say about participating in pagan practices?
9:25 – Living set apart: what it means to be “outsiders”
9:45 – Defining what an “Outsider” is in the OOS community
11:15 – How you worship shows who you worship
12:08 – Christian meditation vs New Age meditation
12:31 – New Age practices: spiritual-sounding, but are they biblical?
14:02 – Hearing and obeying God vs building on the sand
15:23 – Walking the narrow way with diligence
17:44 – Is manifestation a Christian practice?
22:29 – CS Lewis quote
22:43 – A sign to let go of New Age and pagan practices
23:19 – Examining your spiritual practices through a biblical lens
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In Part 2 of our conversation with Johanna, we explore her journey of untangling New Age beliefs after coming to know Jesus. She opens up about visiting a medium out of desperation to connect with her late brother - something she now sees as spiritually dangerous.
We talk about how she began growing in her faith, learning to read the Bible using tools like the SOAP method, and how The Chosen helped her understand Scripture in a fresh way. Johanna also shares the cost of coming out as a Christian online, the potential of loosing followers, and the new boldness she’s found through her podcast Let Go & Let God.
Whether you're new to faith or navigating spiritual confusion, Johanna’s honesty and clarity will encourage you to pursue truth and live it out in IRL and online - even if it costs.
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0:00 – Previously on Part 1
0:35 – Johanna’s encounter with a medium
4:29 – How Johanna began growing in her Christian faith
5:56 – What is the SOAP Bible reading method?
6:30 – How The Chosen helped Johanna understand Scripture
8:02 – Why reading the Bible is essential for new believers
9:46 – Untangling New Age teachings from true Christianity
11:40 – Why being “born again” is so important
13:06 – Going public: Johanna’s decision to come out as a Christian online
17:41 – What happened to Johanna’s followers after sharing her faith
20:52 – Johanna’s Christian podcast ‘Let Go & Let God’
25:07 – Navigating Christian influence and responsibility on social media
25:51 – Final thoughts and encouragement from Johanna
28:37 – How Johanna lives out her faith outside of Sunday
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She was a mindset coach with a huge online following, she trusted the universe, pursued manifestation and mindset work - but it was exhausting and Johanna was still searching.
In Part 1 of our conversation, Johanna shares about growing up in Germany, her Catholic roots, and the heartbreaking loss of her brother after a long battle with cancer. We talk about how that loss impacted her spiritually, her move to New Zealand, and how her new age journey which took a surprising turn after meeting her now-husband.
Before she found Christ, Johanna was deep into new age thinking and manifestation - but everything began to shift when she encountered the real, living God.
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🎧 Part 2 coming out next week!
0:00 – Coming up this episode
1:10 – Welcome + Introducing Johanna: Mindset coach with a powerful testimony
2:33 – How Johanna became a wedding content creator
4:33 – Growing up in Germany: Childhood and early influences
5:42 – Her Catholic upbringing and early understanding of God
8:00 – Walking through her brother’s long battle with cancer
12:46 – How her brother’s passing impacted her view of God and faith
16:35 – Moving to New Zealand: A leap of faith and fresh start
18:06 – How Johanna’s social media journey began
20:15 – Meeting her husband—and how he led her to encounter the Lord
26:15 – Life before Christ: Mindset coaching, manifestation, and New Age beliefs
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In today's Insights episode, Christa reflects on the moving two-part testimony shared by Kate Robinson, responding to listener comments and diving into how God mets us in our darkest moments. Drawing from 2 Corinthians 1:8–9, she explores the tension between unbearable suffering and the God of all Comfort.
Christa shares heartfelt encouragement for those asking, “How can God be good when life feels so unfair?” - pointing us back to Eden, the reality of sin, and the comfort of Christ’s presence. If you’re walking through grief, pain, or feeling burdened beyond what you can bear, this episode offers truth, hope, and a gentle prayer just for you.
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0:00 – Sneak peek: What’s coming in this 'Insights' episode
1:05 – Welcome from Christa
1:20 – Recap of Kate Robinson’s testimony (Parts 1 & 2)
3:58 – New giveaway alert!
5:10 – Listener feedback and touching responses
8:55 – Christa’s honest reaction: “I have nothing to add…”
10:02 – Insights from God’s Word
10:28 – Reflection on 2 Corinthians 1:8–9 and carrying unbearable burdens
11:00 – When suffering feels too big: is God still good?
12:45 – Wrestling with injustice and the existence of God
13:04 – Why suffering affirms the Genesis creation account
13:43 – Jesus stepped into our brokenness
13:54 – The story of the two Edens: fall and restoration
14:44 – How God alone is the answer to the problem of suffering
16:06 – You are not alone: a message of deep comfort
16:32 – Paul & Jesus never sugar-coated what was to come
17:46 – What are we praying in the midst of our loss?
19:15 – Christa's personal experience from grief to joy
20:28 – Prayer for those carrying burdens
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In Part 2 of our conversation with Kate, she shares the spiritual, emotional, and physical toll of perimenopause - and how God met her in the midst of it. From severe memory loss (so intense she thought she had early-onset dementia) to anger, severe joint pain and identity shifts, this season tested everything: her mind, her faith, and her marriage.
But through it all, Kate clung to the Lord. She learned to lament, to lean on scripture (2 Chronicles 20:12), and to surrender what she couldn’t control. This episode offers practical wisdom for women preparing for menopause - and deep encouragement for those walking through it right now. Thank you Kate!
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0:00 – Previously on Part 1
1:15 – Entering menopause and how it began for Kate
2:22 – Navigating menopause within marriage
3:02 – Perimenopause symptoms starting at 38
3:28 – Memory loss so severe she feared early-onset dementia
5:38 – Feeling like a stranger in her own body
6:40 – The emotional toll of menopause on her marriage
7:54 – How menopause impacted her relationship with God
11:34 – Is menopause contributing to divorce rates?
14:37 – Practical advice for managing symptoms of menopause
17:00 – The connection between postpartum recovery and menopause
19:39 – How menopause deepened Kate’s faith (2 Chronicles 20:12)
21:25 – Juggling faith and business
23:08 – Encouragement for those in hard business seasons
24:43 – How Kate lives her faith outside of Sunday
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Kate has walked through some deep valleys, but through it all, she has carried herself with a gentle but unwavering faith.
In Part 1 of our chat, Kate opens up about growing up as a pastor’s kid, her gift for good taste, and her journey into personal styling… before moving on to share about the heartbreak of losing her baby girl at 20 weeks, all while Kate and her husband’s business collapsed in a single day.
We hear about:
🕊️ The comfort God gave her in the loss of baby Violet
💼 Losing a business overnight
👗 Her gift for style and how she’s helping other women feel confident
🙏 Parenting teens through crisis
Kate also addresses a tough question - are we responsible for our children’s salvation?
There’s so much wisdom to glean from Kate’s story... and it’s a beautiful reminder that in loss and heartbreak, God is with us.
Stay tuned for Part 2 next week!
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0:00 – Coming Up
1:00 – Meet Kate: Pastor’s Kid and Personal Stylist
2:10 – Multi-Generational Living
3:42 – Kate’s Passion for Style and Beautiful Things
4:59 – Kate’s Journey into Interior and Personal Styling
5:47 – Personal Styling Tips from Kate
10:04 – Growing Up as a Pastor’s Kid
12:05 – Facing Deep Valleys: The Beginning of Kate’s Journey Through Loss
12:59 – Losing Baby Violet at 20 Weeks: A Mother’s Heartbreak
13:29 – Struggling to Grieve: When Society Says ‘Move On’
14:00 – Business Collapse: Losing Millions Overnight
16:16 – How God Led Kate Through Her Darkest Season
18:26 – God’s Plan Looks Different Than Ours
20:20 – Finding Comfort
22:15 – Parenting Teens Through Crisis
24:33 – Are we responsible for our Children's Salvation?
26:50 – Owning Our Failings in Front of Our Children
27:15 – Walking Through daughters Teen Pregnancy with Love
28:37 – Parenting Teenagers: Staying Connected
31:10 – Maintaining Relationships as Children Grow Up
33:04 – Advice for Parents When Children Walk Away From Faith
36:03 – Elizabeth Elliot’s Daughters on Having the ‘Perfect Mother’
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This episode is a bit of a heart check.
Christa shares some honest reflections on Jenna’s raw and vulnerable episode, where she opened up about her affair and the beauty of God’s redemption. We’re talking humility, failure, and what true repentance really looks like.
What does it mean to forgive like Christ? How do we fail well, restore correctly, and resist the small compromises that slowly erode a marriage? From the woman caught in adultery to the image of Jesus holding back wrath, this conversation will challenge you to examine your own heart—and extend the same grace we’ve been given.
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0:00 – Welcome back + episode intro
4:20 – Giveaway winner announced
5:20 – Christa’s first reflections: the role of humility after failure
7:49 – How to fail well and walk through restoration God's way
9:24 – Could I do what Jenna’s husband did? A challenge to forgive
11:10 – A look at the woman caught in adultery (John 8)
12:10 – Every sin is first and foremost against God
14:37 – Jesus could have stood in judgment - but didn’t
15:11 – Jesus holds back the wrath we deserve
15:49 – How Jenna’s husband imitated Christ in forgiveness
16:42 – The condition for forgiveness is true repentance
17:43 – Repentance isn’t “it’s ok,” it’s “I’ll change”
18:51 – Repentance doesn't erase consequences
19:50 – What do small compromises in marriage look like?
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Jenna was a pastor’s wife when her affair went public. In this powerful conclusion to her story, she shares the painful fallout - how the truth came out, the story went viral, and how she endured years of targeted messages and public shame.
But even in the middle of heartbreak and humiliation, God wasn’t done. Jenna opens up about her husband’s unexpected response, the journey of rebuilding their marriage, and the grace that met her in the mess.
This is a raw, honest, and deeply redemptive story for anyone who feels disqualified by their past. God’s not finished with your story either.
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0:00 - Previously on Part 1
1:13 - The affair and how it began
9:57 - When the sin was revealed
12:36 - Jenna’s husband reacts to the news
15:32 - Alan begs Jenna to stay
20:12 - Small compromises and the lie that we’re immune from sin
22:48 - What Jenna wishes she had done differently
24:22 - Restoration with her husband and reaching out to the other spouse
29:07 - Alan’s unconditional love for Jenna
29:45 - Encouragement to women with messy stories
34:22 - Processing guilt and shame as a Christian
37:21 - How Jenna lives her faith outside of Sunday
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Jenna’s story is one of unimaginable pain, radical courage, and the redeeming love of God.
From growing up in a broken home in New Jersey, walking through childhood abuse, and becoming pregnant as a teen - Jenna was told her baby wouldn’t survive and was offered a termination the next day. But she said no.
Her baby lived for 54 minutes.
And in the middle of that heartbreak… Jesus was in the room.
In Part 1 of her testimony, Jenna shares:
- What it was like to grow up with a fractured family and abuse
- Becoming pregnant at 19 and told her baby was “incompatible with life”
- How she encountered Christ during an emergency c-section
- The pain of losing her child and the spiral into toxic/abusive relationships
- Learning to find healing in Christ, and trust a godly man she didn’t feel worthy of
This is not a novel — this is real.
And it’s only Part 1.
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0:00 – Coming up: Abuse, loss, and choosing life
1:05 – Welcome & introducing Jenna
2:52 – Growing up in New Jersey and going to church
5:52 – Parents’ divorce and childhood abuse
8:57 – A hairdresser shares Jesus and takes Jenna in
10:55 – Teen pregnancy: Finding out she’s expecting
12:00 – Devastating diagnosis: Trisomy 18 and termination offered
13:29 – Holding onto faith that God would heal her baby
15:16 – Jesus shows up during the emergency C-section
16:40 – Grieving the loss and wrestling with God
18:34 – Relationship strain after losing her son
20:43 – Second pregnancy and fear of more loss
22:51 – A new relationship turns abusive
23:58 – Why she stayed: Understanding toxic cycles
26:20 – Breaking free: Ending the abusive relationship
28:20 – Legal protection: Restraining orders and safety
30:26 – Returning to God and meeting her future husband
36:29 – Wrestling with feeling worthy of a good man
39:21 – Marriage and stepping into ministry
41:17 – Co-parenting with a toxic ex
42:42 – Honeymoon interrupted: Ex-partner won't return their child
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In this episode, Christa opens up about two separate conversations she had recently that made her stop and reflect on the heart behind Outside of Sunday. Who is welcome to share their testimony on this podcast? What if we don’t fully agree on everything?
Christa shares the verse that’s been etched into her heart for a decade, explores the power of testimony in reaching the lost and uniting the Church, and reminds us that Jesus is coming back for a bride - not a broken, bickering body. This is a call to love deeper, listen better, and trust Jesus to do the sorting - while we focus on honouring the Lord in Spirit and Truth.
Let’s grow in grace together.
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00:00 - Coming Up
00:28 - Intro
00:38 - Welcome Back
01:22 - Reading Comments
03:03 - Something Has Been Brought to My Attention
03:34 - “Are You Sure You Want Me on the Podcast?”
04:50 - The Core Values of the Podcast
05:30 - Is Outside of Sunday Only for People Who Agree With Me?
06:27 - The Scripture Burned Into My Brain for 10 Years
07:16 - The Dividing of Spirit and Truth
08:10 - Testimony Unites Believers and Reaches the Lost
09:53 - Jesus Is Coming Back for His Bride
10:23 - The Thief on the Cross Had No Theology Degree
10:52 - Christ Unites Us—Let’s Grow in Love
11:59 - Jesus Will Separate the Wheat and the Tares
12:27 - The Love Passage Is for the Church
14:06 - Let’s Grow in Love and Grace for One Another
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In part two of Sam’s testimony, her story takes a raw and redemptive turn. After heartbreak, binge drinking, and chasing a good time to mask the pain, Sam finds herself facing teen pregnancy and the weight of her choices. But even in the mess, God is at work.
From a chilling demonic encounter to a near-fatal car crash, and from a surprise proposal to a free wedding - this episode is a powerful reminder of God’s relentless love and the impact of a praying parent.
Sam shares how she came back to faith, how her relationship with her Mum was restored, and what it looks like to live for Jesus now.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Previously
0:31 - Sam’s descent into the world
1:57 - Binge drinking & brokenness
3:21 - Teen pregnancy
6:53 - God's restoration
12:31 - Mark comes to church
15:25 - The proposal
20:33 - Back to God
22:32 - Demonic encounter
25:35 - Turning point
31:42 - Life since salvation
40:51 - Advice for parents
41:43 - Faith outside of Sunday
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Sam Hughes is a homeschool Mum with a wild testimony, a deep love for Jesus - and she's hilarious. In this episode, we talk about everything from homeschooling and church drama to skipping school and being the “naughty kid” at youth group. I was laughing so much during this one - Sam has a way of pulling you right into her story with refreshing honesty and kiwi humour. From growing up in a bold Christian home, to rebelling hard and coming full circle in her own parenting journey, this one is raw, real, and completely relatable. And next week in Part 2... we’ll hear just how far Sam ran from God - and the incredible grace that brought her back.
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0:00 – Coming up
1:30 – Welcome + Introducing Sam Hughes
2:12 – Life as a busy homeschool mum
3:24 – Why they chose to homeschool
8:54 – Making time to recharge as a homeschool parent
10:47 – Having her husband’s support
11:48 – Sam’s link to past guest Winnie McClutchie
13:23 – A praying Nan and generational faith
15:43 – Growing up in a bold Christian household
17:41 – Asking ChatGPT to describe her Nan using Scripture
22:01 – Sam’s testimony begins
25:42 – Core childhood memories in church
27:07 – Drifting during her teen years
29:25 – Rebelling against her Christian upbringing
31:24 – Being the “naughty” one at youth group
33:39 – Leaving home at 16
36:16 – From homeschool to convincing her mum to let her attend school
37:42 – Culture shock at high school, wagging classes
40:24 – Switching to Catholic school, funding her own uniform
41:34 – Bad influences and quitting school
43:18 – Parenting her own teen, generational reflections
44:50 – Forced service vs genuine worship
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What is true worship, and how do we live it out outside of Sunday? In this episode, my friend and previous guest Kathy Masina joins me to unpack what it means to worship God with our whole lives - not just our voices. We talk through the challenge of worshiping amid the messiness of life, how to encourage ourselves in the Lord when we’re feeling weary, and what it means to “bless God.”
We also dive deep into a topic so many of us wrestle with: the fear of man. Kathy and I talk about how this fear can hold us back, and we compare how it shows up in modern-day Christians versus the post-resurrection church. We also share practical tips for overcoming the fear of man and learning to live in bold obedience.
I hope this episode encourages us to say, like Paul, that we are not from man and not servants of man - but from Christ, and servants of Christ.
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0:00 – Coming Up
0:48 – Intro
0:58 – Welcome, Kathy!
2:21 – Listener Comments
3:29 – Monthly Giveaway Draw
4:32 – June Giveaway: Vine & Branches
6:39 – Kathy’s First Thoughts on Episode 108
8:40 – What Is True and Proper Worship?
13:16 – No One’s a ‘Know-It-All’ in Christianity
15:31 – What Worship Looks Like in Everyday Life
17:55 – Worship: Expectation vs. Reality
18:40 – Managing Encouragement and Discouragement as a Christian
20:48 – What Does It Mean to Bless God?
22:27 – Understanding the Fear of Man
25:54 – Are You Struggling With the Fear of Man?
27:57 – Counting the Cost of Following Jesus
29:30 – The Power of Testimony
31:45 – Tips for Overcoming the Fear of Man
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Christian recording artist, worship leader, and nurse Bethany Edmonds gets real about the tension between leading worship on a stage and offering pure, genuine worship that blesses God.
Growing up as a pastor’s kid, Bethany opens up about seasons of numbness, burnout, and learning how to feel again - emotionally and spiritually.
We talk about the fine line between worshipping God and worshipping worship itself, how she’s learning to carry a “life of worship” into everyday spaces like nursing, and why her desire is that “the melody of my life would reflect who I love the most.”
This is a powerful conversation and a beautiful look at a heart set on worship. If you’ve ever wrestled with personal worship, service burnout, or the pressure to perform in ministry - this one’s for you.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:44 - Intro
0:55 - Welcome
2:00 - About Bethany
3:03 - How did you get interested in music?
4:20 - Did being a Pastor's kid help or hinder faith?
7:36 - Walking through life ‘numb’
11:36 - Learning how to feel
11:50 - Songwriting friendship + releasing music
15:50 - Public worship from private praise
15:56 - Christa’s favourite song from The Steady Heart EP
16:52 - The NZ Christian music scene
19:28 - Worship theology
23:52 - Nursing as worship
26:43 - Stage vs. secret place worship
27:20 - Bethany’s burnout
27:54 - Fear of God vs. fear of man
28:21 - "I'm not responsible to pull you into God’s presence"
29:28 - Worshipping God vs. worshipping the song
31:16 - Tainted worship
32:07 - Worship in any space
33:09 - Encouragement for struggling worshippers
35:18 - Bethany’s nursing journey
40:15 - Advice for worshippers
42:33 - What’s next for Bethany
44:36 - Faith outside of Sunday
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In this follow-up to Amelia Fowler’s moving testimony, Christa and Laura-Lee unpack what it truly means to have a living relationship with Jesus. They talk about inviting the Holy Spirit into everyday life, navigating suffering, and following David's example when God doesn’t answer our prayers the way we long for.
Drawing on stories from Job, Solomon, David, and Jesus, this conversation is a heartfelt reminder that faith is often refined by fire.
✨ Listener comments, real talk about Mother’s Day, and a warm dose of honesty and encouragement – we're covering essential topics for every Christian, so this one’s for you!
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00:00 – Coming up
01:20 – Welcome & listener comments
03:17 – Christa & Laura-Lee catch up – Mother’s Day
04:51 – First thoughts on Amelia Fowler’s episode
06:08 – What does a living relationship with Jesus look like?
07:06 – Inviting the Holy Spirit into our daily lives
08:10 – Laura-Lee’s thoughts on suffering
10:06 – God’s will in our pain
11:45 – Lessons from Job & Solomon
14:42 – How suffering can refine our faith
17:49 – David’s worship response when his prayers were unanswered
20:29 – Even Jesus contended with God’s will
22:11 – Do we need perfect faith for a miracle?
28:44 – Check what we say against the Word
29:50 – Final thoughts
32:13 – It’s okay to want and ask God for things
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Amelia is back! Over one year after she was first given her stage 4 cancer diagnosis, we catch up on how she’s doing, what God has been speaking to her heart, and the moments that have shaped her in the valley.
From yelling at God to encountering an angel, from wrestling with life and death to navigating the tension between faith and surrender - we talk visions, promises, and the deep work of the Holy Spirit in suffering.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube and click here to listen to Amelia's first episode where she tells us about her testimony and initial diagnosis.
0:00 – Coming Up: Amelia’s continued journey of faith and surrender
1:35 – Intro
2:04 – Welcoming Amelia back to the podcast
2:42 – Recap of Amelia’s diagnosis and last year’s episode
4:04 – Reflections and impact after sharing her story
5:44 – Testimony reaches South Africa—God’s reach is global
6:50 – Health update: Where things are at now
8:06 – Honest moments: Yelling at God and rebuking the enemy
10:11 – What it means to have a living, real relationship with God
12:45 – Learning to slow down and truly listen to God
13:19 – A powerful vision during church
14:25 – “Are you loving the promises more than the God of the promises?”
14:55 – God confirms the vision in a surprising way
15:49 – Wrestling with faith and surrender - do they compete?
16:44 – “To die is gain”- is it wrong to want to live?
18:47 – The heart question: Will you still love the Lord if He calls you home?
21:27 – We’re not saved for a perfect life on Earth
22:08 – God doesn’t delight in our suffering
23:20 – What walking through the valley really feels like
23:39 – Amelia’s angel encounter
26:16 – A reminder: The Lord sees your tears
29:21 – Treasured moments with family
31:00 – Navigating tough questions from the kids
31:49 – Has Amelia’s view of God changed?
34:08 – A prayer for the Holy Spirit to move in listeners’ hearts
35:39 – Christa shares her experience of losing her dad to cancer
37:31 – Words for those who’ve lost a loved one to cancer
41:51 – Trusting God by looking at the lives of those in the Bible who suffered
45:14 – God can use even the darkest seasons
47:38 – What embracing life looks like now
48:44 – Choosing not to let cancer define her children’s story
49:30 – How Amelia’s husband is walking through it all
51:50 – Final thoughts and encouragement from Amelia
52:43 – A dream and warning from God
54:21 – Liz’s reflections on the conversation
55:23 – The power of community and prayer
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In this solo episode, Christa opens up about a topic that can stir up some strong opinions - women in ministry and speaking in church. With honesty and humility, she shares her personal journey, how she arrived at her convictions, and what led her to say “yes” to preaching when the opportunity came.
But this episode is about so much more than that. It’s a gospel-rich reminder that grace is at the very center of our salvation. If you’ve ever wrestled with feeling condemned, unsure of where you stand with God, or wondered if you’re “too far gone” - this one is for you.
You’ll hear about the kind of grace that justifies, teaches, and saves — and how to receive it, whether you’re coming from a Christian home or still searching for truth.
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0:00 - Welcome
0:17 - Drawing April giveaway winner
2:05 - Introducing today’s episode
2:59 - My journey with women in ministry and speaking in church
4:38 - Can I have grace wherever you land on the issue
4:45 - Why I accepted an opportunity to speak in church
5:16 - My preference comes second to what God says
7:16 - My heart isn’t to stir up controversy
7:43 - Grace for salvation
9:25 - God chooses to extend us grace while we are condemned
10:09 - Jesus separates the condemnation
11:03 - Maybe you know you are condemned?
11:56 - God doesn’t offer further condemnation - He wants to give you grace
12:25 - Are you blind to your condemnation?
13:34 - The blessing and trap of being raised in a Christian home
15:47 - Our righteous acts will not save us - the act of the Righteous One will
17:06 - You are not undeserving of His kindness, love, and grace
17:40 - Repentance is the road that leads to grace for salvation
18:36 - Three things God’s grace does:
18:57 - Justifies us
19:44 - Teaches us
21:05 - Saves us
21:37 - How to receive God’s grace
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Julie Colbeth from Whispers of Grace is back! And this time we’re talking everything from Easter traditions and idols on our phones, to Bible-based TV and overcoming 'Christian' guilt.
Whether we’re talking about sanctification, postpartum struggles, or how to disciple our kids, Julie brings insight that points us back to God’s grace and goodness.
We also reflect on Destiny’s powerful testimony (Episode 101 & 102) and what it means to trust God even when we don’t understand what He’s doing.
Expect to feel seen, encouraged, and lovingly challenged - and don’t miss Julie’s teaser at the end for her upcoming Whispers of Grace episode!
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube and click here to listen to Julie's podcast Whispers of Grace.
0:00 – Coming up
1:26 – Welcome
2:18 – Easter traditions: resurrection eggs & resurrection gardens
5:40 – Traditions are good… but you can’t do everything
6:29 – Listener comments
7:43 – Trusting in the Lord (Proverbs 3:5-6)
11:18 – “I don’t understand, Lord… but I’m sticking around”
13:12 – Is Jesus truly Lord? Daily sanctification
14:14 – Reflection: What are you clinging to too tightly?
14:50 – Phone idols: Christa shares her current struggle
17:12 – Destiny’s hospital experience & seeing God in the suffering
18:09 – Do we see God as someone who serves us?
21:03 – Struggling with postpartum depression
22:38 – Thoughts on The Chosen and House of David series
28:05 – Discipling children
35:41 – Overcoming guilt
40:28 – Giving yourself grace in your current season
45:02 – Teaser for Julie’s next Whispers of Grace episode
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In Part 2 of Destiny’s powerful story, we pick up where we left off — with a shocking cancer diagnosis while 8 months pregnant. But what comes next is nothing short of miraculous: not only did God heal Destiny, but her baby’s life was also saved through an early C-section delivery.
With raw honesty and unwavering faith, Destiny shares what it was like to face death, endure paralysing pain, and then hear doctors say, “We can’t explain it.”
This episode is deeply emotional but will leave you feeling encouraged, reminding you of the sovereignty of our Lord and His faithfulness through every trial.
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0:00 – Previously
0:33 – Intro
0:43 – Picking up the story: cancer diagnosis
4:27 – The heartbreak of telling her husband and children
5:44 – Facing mortality while 8 months pregnant
8:30 – Meeting a compassionate Christian specialist
9:34 – The decision to deliver the baby early
11:25 – Things go seriously wrong during delivery
13:17 – Preparing for cancer surgery immediately after birth
14:14 – Doctors can’t explain the cancer’s origin
20:02 – Surgery day
21:45 – A traumatic hospital recovery
23:00 – Five days post-op: no trace of cancer
27:12 – Can we glorify God through death?
32:07 – 10 years cancer-free
33:15 – Keeping a heavenly perspective
35:48 – How to grow your faith outside of Sunday
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Destiny's story begins with obedience to God's call - from hearing His audible voice to leaving the comforts of America behind and moving to Uganda with her new husband for what would be 14 years of mission work.
Throughout or chat Destiny opens up about marriage tensions over the call to go to Africa, living through Ebola outbreaks, and planting a thriving church in the heart of East Africa. This episode is full of insight, inspiration, and real-life faith.
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0:00 – Coming up
1:43 – Intro
1:53 – Welcome and introducing Destiny
7:28 – Destiny’s advice for Christian parenting
9:18 – Growing up in the US and surrendering her life to Christ
10:25 – The call to missions
10:41 – Hearing the audible voice of the Lord
12:07 – Meeting her husband
14:40 – Navigating disagreement in marriage over a call to Uganda
18:01 – Arriving in Uganda
19:53 – The mission statement behind their church plant
20:28 – Starting to serve in Uganda
22:54 – Having their first child
24:04 – How the church grew from the ground up
26:46 – Daily life in Uganda and security measures
28:06 – Living through three Ebola outbreaks
30:03 – Driving in Uganda: “The most dangerous thing you could do”
31:04 – Running a home 'clinic'
32:11 – Who killed the cobra?
33:07 – Encouragement for current and future missionaries
36:33 – Unexpected breast cancer diagnosis
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Today we’re celebrating 100 episodes of Outside of Sunday! 🎉 Laura-Lee and I reflect on this milestone with gratitude, laughter, and CAKE. We also dive into some of the powerful themes sparked by Monica’s story from Episodes 98 & 99 - including what it means to choose to love and serve the Lord even when the miracle doesn’t come.
We talk about wise counsel, biblical submission (yes, we go there!), the importance of biblical safeguards for submission, and what to do when a good husband is making a not-so-great decision. Whether you’re married, single, or somewhere in between, we pray this conversation encourages you to lean into God’s Word and trust His timing.
If this episode blesses you, don’t forget to share it with a friend and celebrate 100 with us!
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00:00 – Coming up in this episode
01:26 – Intro
01:36 – Welcome and celebrating 100 episodes! 🎉
04:30 – Catch up & life updates
07:57 – Laura’s insights on Monica’s episode & the need for wise counsel
12:55 – Christa’s reaction to Monica’s testimony
13:14 – When the miracle doesn’t come: choosing to serve God anyway
15:15 – Shadrach, Meshach & Abednego parallels
21:03 – What biblical submission really means
24:26 – Laura’s journey with submission
28:20 – A word for the singles
29:32 – Biblical safeguards around submission
33:14 – What if a good husband is making a bad decision?
40:50 – Listener comments
42:00 – Giveaway winner announced 🎁
45:50 – Laura’s final thoughts & encouragement
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In Part 2 of our conversation with Monica from Taste and See, we dive into the next part of her journey. Monica shares about the unexpected health challenges she’s faced in recent years and how the Lord has given her the strength to endure even while facing such a hard reality.
We also talk about the boutique honey business she runs with her husband—one they’ve boldly decided to make openly Christian. I loved hearing how they’re using their business to glorify God—whether that’s through the honey itself or the way they so beautifully live out their faith in the business world.
This part of Monica’s story is a great reminder that sometimes God works miraculously, and at other times He gives us grace to persevere. I pray you finish this episode feeling uplifted and inspired by what the Lord has done, and is doing, in Monicas life.
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0:00 - Previously
0:19 - Intro
0:45 - Starting with Monica’s ongoing journey with a COVID vaccine injury
12:15 - How the vaccine injury has affected Monica’s life
13:41 - Honey health
15:08 - Honey as a medicine, antibiotic, and skin treatment
17:32 - Introduction of bees to New Zealand
19:01 - Honey giveaway and honey grading, face masks, and scrubs
22:11 - Advice for businesses choosing to be open about their faith
26:27 - How is Monica living her faith outside of Sunday?
27:36 - Learning to submit to her husband
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Warning: This episode discusses sensitive topics like self-harm and mental health struggles.
This conversation with Monica from Taste and See honestly felt like sitting down with an old friend. We laughed a lot—this girl is full of fun and laughter—but she was also incredibly open about some of the hardest parts of her faith journey.
In Part 1, Monica shares what it was like growing up in an atheist home—her Dad literally standing in the doorway to stop her from going to church—and how she came to faith in Jesus. We also talk about her struggles with depression and self-harm, and how God supernaturally removed her scars. Amazing.
I hope you’ll come away from this conversation encouraged—and maybe like you’ve made a new friend, too. I know I did!
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0:00 - Coming up in Part 1
0:45 - Intro
0:56 - Welcome and introducing Monica from Taste and See
1:59 - About Taste and See
2:25 - Why is it called Taste and See?
3:27 - About Monica
4:01 - Growing up in a non-Christian home
7:03 - Miraculous encounter with the Lord at Easter Camp
10:01 - Struggles with depression and self-harm
13:01 - Growing in faith
14:16 - "Dad would stand in the doorway"
17:21 - Reflecting on not being raised in a Christian home
19:03 - Grateful for her Dad’s pushback to her faith
21:40 - Has the Lord softened you?
23:15 - Witnessing to your own family
28:03 - Meeting her husband
31:34 - Coming up in Part 2
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In today’s episode, Laura-Lee and I dive into some big topics, sparked by Ashley’s brave testimony from Episode 96: “I didn’t know it… but I was in a cult.” We discuss how to recognise cults that may appear Christian on the outside, share insights on our own struggles with understanding the Trinity, and explore whether speaking in tongues should ever be forbidden or forced. We also talk about the importance of loving others with gentleness and truth, especially when they’re caught up in false teaching.
This episode isn’t just about tackling tough topics; it’s really about how we can live out our faith authentically using God’s Word as our guide. If this episode has been a blessing to you, please share it with others who might be encouraged by it too!
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0:00 - Coming up
0:50 - Welcome! Life Updates
5:12 - First Reactions to Ashley’s Story: "I didn't know it but... I was in a Cult"
9:22 - Listener Comments on Cults, Trinity, and Faith Journeys
10:50 - Is ‘Trinity’ Actually in the Bible?
12:54 - You Can’t Earn Salvation
15:05 - Breaking Down the Trinity, we need all three
22:11 - Extending love Mormons, Atheists, Jehovahs Witnesses, etc
24:33 - Our Personal Experiences with Cults and False Teachings
28:15 - Bible Study or Cult? Warning Signs Christians Should Know
32:05 - Speaking in Tongues: Should You? What the Bible Says
36:57 - Laura’s Final Thoughts: Encouragement for Your Faith Walk
38:09 - Finding Beauty in an Ordinary Life Lived with God
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Ashley grew up thinking her church was just another Christian denomination. She believed in God, tried to live a good life, and thought she was on the right path. But as she got older she realised: her church was actually a cult.
In this episode, Ashley shares her honest and raw story of growing up in a Unitarian church, her first moments of doubt and how she finally came to understand the truth about Jesus Christ and the life-changing power of the gospel.
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0:00 - Coming up this week
0:43 - Introduction to Ashley and her background
2:06 - Growing up Unitarian: Understanding Unitarianism
3:32 - Inside a Unitarian church service: What to expect
4:35 - Worship in Unitarian churches: Are instruments allowed?
6:07 - Speaking in tongues: Is it required in Unitarianism?
7:05 - Ashley’s childhood experiences in the Unitarian church
8:40 - Realising her Unitarian church was actually a cult
10:49 - Was the Unitarian community open or closed off to outsiders?
10:57 - The origins of the Unitarian church
13:25 - Meeting her husband: A pivotal moment
14:03 - Early red flags in her faith journey
14:47 - Do Unitarians identify as Christians?
15:39 - A heated discussion: Unitarian vs. Trinitarian beliefs
16:22 - Studying the Bible together and realising that Jesus is God
18:48 - How Unitarians interpret verses that support the Trinity
20:37 - Comparing Unitarianism to other Christian-adjacent beliefs
22:04 - The difficult decision to leave her Unitarian church
23:12 - Telling her parents
26:08 - More than the Trinity: How Ashley’s theology transformed
26:49 - Salvation in Unitarianism: What does it mean to be ‘saved’?
28:02 - Ashley’s deeper understanding of the gospel and the weight of sin
29:00 - The contrast between moralism and true Christianity
31:35 - Wrestling with the complexity of the Trinity
34:46 - God’s work in Ashley’s life
36:01 - The role of conviction and transformation by the Holy Spirit
37:13 - Understanding grace, conviction, and the Spirit’s transformation
38:25 - How Ashley now views her family and former church
41:32 - Staying on the narrow path: Key advice for Christians
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What does the Bible really say about forgiveness? In this episode with Julie Colbeth, we’re diving into one of the hardest but most important parts of the Christian life—learning to forgive. From those everyday frustrations to deep wounds that feel impossible to let go, we explore what Scripture teaches about grace, forgiveness, and letting go of bitterness.
Reflect as Christa and Julie share their thoughts on Liezl’s powerful story from last week, unpack listener comments, and wrestle with big questions such as: Are we supposed to forgive when we don’t really mean it? What does it actually mean to “heap burning coals” on your enemy?
Join us for this lighthearted but deeply reflective conversation as we navigate the beauty and challenge of extending grace—even when it’s hard.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:32 - Welcome & intro
2:24 - Why are people afraid of the Old Testament?
5:07 - Reflecting on Caitlin's (All Creatures) episode
6:12 - Listener comments from Episode 92 – your thoughts!
7:38 - Looking back on Liezl Venter’s powerful testimony
9:28 - The power of Christian community in action
10:19 - Why honesty and vulnerability matter in faith
11:20 - Ephesians 1:7: How forgiveness transforms us
14:53 - How do we forgive when hurt is intentional and ongoing?
22:48 - Should we forgive if we don’t really mean it?
26:15 - Romans 12: Overcoming evil with good
28:11 - What does it mean to ‘heap burning coals’ on your enemy?
32:42 - More listener comments & discussion
34:13 - Announcing this month’s giveaway winner!
35:19 - Prayer for YOU!
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What happens after the unthinkable? In Part 2 of our chat with Liezl Venter, we dive into the aftermath of her husband’s tragic accident—the impact on their children, the painful road to recovery, and the moment they finally got to bring Russell home. Liezl shares the deep questions she wrestled with, the unexpected ways God showed up, and the incredible power of forgiveness. This is a story of faith refined through fire, prayers answered in the most personal ways, and hope that carries us forward.
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0:42 - How the accident impacted the children
7:28 - Processing the trauma—alone, but with God
8:43 - Holding onto Isaiah 41:10
14:35 - Wrestling with the question: Did God cause this?
18:39 - Preparing for Russell’s return home
20:04 - Facing the possibility of amputation and a long recovery
22:09 - The moment they got the news—Russell was coming home
23:39 - A powerful answered prayer from their son
25:09 - Russell’s recovery—what life looks like now
28:19 - The legal case: Criminal charges against the shooter?
30:39 - Choosing to forgive the shooter
36:09 - Words of encouragement for those going through trauma
38:22 - Practical ways to support someone facing a crisis
38:59 - Living out faith outside of Sunday
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What would you do if your husband was shot in a tragic accident? In this powerful episode, Liezl Venter shares her family’s incredible journey—from early days in South Africa and fresh married life in Saudi Arabia, to the day in New Zealand where everything changed in an instant. Liezl recalls receiving the shocking news, the prayers that carried them, and the miracles that followed, this is a story of faith, grace, and the unshakable power of God to be close to us even in our hardest moments.
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0:00 - Coming up this week
1:03 - Podcast Intro
1:16 - Meet Liezl Venter
3:29 - Faith in the Middle East – Living as a Christian in Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia
5:03 - How Liezl met her husband, Russell.
6:12 - Teaching at the royal school in Saudi Arabia.
9:06 - Were they treated well in Saudi Arabia?
10:20 - Perks of Expat Life – No taxes, no rent
11:15 - Moving to New Zealand
12:16 - The Date That Changed Everything – August 3rd
12:41 - A Tragic Accident – Hunting trip in Tongariro takes a devastating turn.
14:38 - Russell is Shot – The moment everything changed.
15:43 - The shooter rushes to help Russell.
17:03 - Praying for the man who pulled the trigger.
18:32 - Liezl Gets the Call – The moment she hears the devastating news
20:53 - Falling to Her Knees – Liezl’s immediate response: prayer.
22:30 - A Race to the Hospital
24:13 - Waiting for a Miracle
25:08 - In the Emergency Room
28:04 - Seeing Russell – Her first emotional encounter after the accident
29:20 - Hope in the Chaos – The moment they hear Russell is stable
30:33 - Miracles Unfold – God’s hand in the situation
31:23 - Life Without Faith? – How do people cope without God in these moments?
33:24 - Grace Alone – The only way they made it through
35:15 - The Surgery – A critical 4.5-hour operation
36:14 - A Life-Threatening Injury – Losing 2.5 liters of blood
38:03 - Support System
39:02 - Breaking the News
43:38 - A Difficult Visit – Taking the kids to see Russell for the first time.
44:06 - Coming Up Next Week – A glimpse into Part 2 of this remarkable story.
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Surprise! Welcome to our Valentines day bonus episode - it’s one you won’t want to miss... Caitlin from All Creatures joins us to share about her journey to faith in Christ and passion for Bible Literacy.
In this episode we dive into what it looks like to live out faith at a secular university, wrestle with doubts, and stay grounded in the truth of God’s Word.
Caitlin also shares about All Creatures—her nonprofit ministry dedicated to increasing Bible literacy across New Zealand—and why understanding Scripture is so important for every believer. Plus, she gives us a sneak peek at an exciting new resource launching in March!
If you’ve ever struggled with surface-level faith or wondered where to start with Bible reading, this episode is full of encouragement and practical wisdom.
Click here to go to the All Creatures website and grab yourself one of these beautiful study guides. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
1:26 - Welcome and introducing Caitlin
3:39 - Caitlin’s journey to faith: How she found Jesus and growing in maturity
8:00 - How has your faith grown and changed over the years?
12:28 - Difficult seasons in faith
17:30 - Living as a Christian at a secular university: Standing strong in faith
21:38 - Reaching others who challenge your faith
23:58 - The story behind ‘All Creatures’ and the struggle to stay in God’s Word
28:43 - Why Bible literacy is essential for a strong Christian life
34:42 - Learning to think biblically: Becoming fluent in the Word of God
36:41 - A real-life example of Bible fluency in action
38:44 - The meaning behind the name ‘All Creatures’
40:16 - Breaking barriers: There is no gatekeeper to the Word of God
41:11 - Where to start when reading the Bible: Practical tips for beginners
42:20 - Exciting new 'All Creatures' Christian resource launching in March!
45:33 - How Caitlin actively lives out her faith beyond Sunday
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This week on the Outside of Sunday podcast, we’re joined by the amazing Laura-Lee as we unpack the school holidays, share THE BEST NEWS, and dive into the incredible Natasha Turner episodes! Let’s be real: hearing about someone doing ✨amazing✨ things for the Lord (like traveling the world 8 months of the year with your family) can sometimes stir up jealousy in our hearts. But the Word reminds us that God gives grace for the work He has called each of us to.
📖 ‘But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.’ – Ephesians 4:7
When we recognize that it’s God who equips us for His work, we can celebrate the incredible things He is doing through others, cultivate unity in the body of Christ, and advance His kingdom together in the grace He’s given us.
If you’re passionate about serving the Lord, our encouragement to you is this: Be faithful with what’s in your hands right now. ‘One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much…’ – Luke 16:10
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0:00 - Sneak peek
1:21 - Welcome & meet Laura-Lee
2:04 - School holiday catch-up
4:11 - Honest reflections
6:30 - Galatians study & reigniting your time in the Word
10:10 - Exciting update!
12:00 - Greater responsibility before the Lord
12:47 - God’s purpose in our talents
14:01 - Guilt vs. conviction
18:04 - Natasha Turner’s testimony—key reflections
19:10 - Grace to do the work God has for you
22:49 - How to recognize God’s grace for your calling
26:00 - Submitting to the Lord
26:30 - The impact of living in God’s grace
29:44 - Don’t scorn your current season
30:42 - Reminder to share the gospel
32:08 - Listener insight: God’s goodness
34:16 - Why I’d make a terrible God
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In Part 2, we continue our conversation with Natasha Turner and hear howRED Ministries travelled to Ukraine and Turkey on the front lines of crisis and disaster. From supporting pastors in Ukraine to navigating delivering aid to Turkey after the earthquake, Natasha shares powerful stories of faith, provision, and the unexpected ways God opens doors in the hardest places.
Join us as we dive into her firsthand experiences, the incredible openness to the gospel she’s witnessed, and be encouraged to find your purpose in Christ.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube and click here to visit the RED Ministries website.
0:00 - Previously in Part 1
1:17 - Intro
1:29 - Supporting pastors in Ukraine - food and supplies
2:37 - Raising $100K in three weeks for Ukraine aid
7:43 - Earthquake in Turkey
10:22 - Barriers to bringing aid into Turkey
11:51 - Entering Turkey via Switzerland
12:00 - Security risks in Turkey
13:16 - Antioch completely demolished by the earthquake
15:52 - Family survives home collapsing
16:25 - Turkish people open to Christianity
18:47 - Biblical significance of Antioch
19:31 - The Roman road in Antioch, called 'Salvation Way'
20:17 - Visiting Greece
21:47 - Christianity’s historical impact on nations
24:54 - Visiting Thessaloniki and Philippi—Paul’s prison
28:28 - How COVID restrictions affected evangelism
29:47 - Speaking to churches in Greece—The Holy Spirit still at work
32:29 - Heart for New Zealand and the world
34:11 - Pub owner comes to Christ
34:35 - New Zealand’s Christian heritage
36:26 - Ministering in historically significant regions worldwide
38:38 - Have you ever doubted your ministry?
43:41 - Going to the front line with peace
46:15 - Thoughts on trusting God
47:20 - Whose plan do we want for our lives—ours or the Lord’s? Finding purpose in Christ
58:17 - How does Natasha live her faith outside of Sunday?
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Join me as I sit down with Natasha Turner from RED Ministries and the Red Rain Band. For over 20 years, Natasha has been sharing the gospel through music, ministering in gospel-hostile nations, and living life on the road for 8 months of the year.
We cover it all:
🌍 How do you balance family life while touring full-time?
🚪 What’s it like ministering where the gospel isn’t welcome?
🎸 How does a rock band point people to Jesus?
This conversation encouraged me so much, and I know it’ll bless you too! 🙌
✨ We'd love to hear from YOU! Share your favourite moment from the episode, a Bible verse you think connects, or how Natasha’s story impacted you. Your comment could be featured in a future episode, and you’ll be automatically entered into our monthly giveaway! 🎁
Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe so you don’t miss Part 2 next week!
Click here to watch this episode on our YouTube channel. Click here to learn more about Natasha and Michael's ministry.
0:00 - Coming up
0:46 - Intro
0:57 - Meet Natasha Turner from RED Ministries
5:48 - Love Story: How Natasha and Michael Met 💕
8:09 - All About Red Rain Band and RED Ministries
10:41 - God Moves: A Muslim Man Comes to Christ 🙌
11:45 - A Young Woman on Drugs Finds Jesus
12:30 - Miracle Moment: Deaf Boy Healed
13:00 - How Ministry Works Through a Rock Band 🎶
16:50 - Ministering in Israel: One Month After a Ceasefire
24:40 - Was Mission Work Always on Natasha’s Heart?
27:52 - Couples Called Together for the Mission 💑
31:28 - Marriage on the Road
34:23 - High-Risk Ministry in Pakistan and God’s Grace 🙏
37:08 - Raising 2 Kids While Living on the Road
42:41 - Partnering with Ukrainian Pastors and Musicians
44:08 - How Their Teenagers Reflect on a Ministry Childhood 👩👧👦
48:28 - Homeschooling While Touring the World
50:28 - The Beauty of Small Blessings from God 🌟
58:37 - Ukraine and Ministry During Conflict
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What an incredible year it’s been! In this special episode, I’m looking back on the highlights of 2024, sharing some behind-the-scenes stories, and answering your listener questions. From favourite episodes to epic mishaps, and “Lord moments,” this one’s packed with gratitude and reflection.
Plus, I’ll take you behind the scenes on our episode with Rosanna Overcomer and at The Send NZ, chat about the live New Testament reading, and share a BIG announcement about what’s coming next for the podcast in 2025. You won’t want to miss it! Let’s celebrate the journey together. 🫶🎧
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0:00 - Intro: Let’s dive in!
0:15 - Welcome to this special recap episode
1:35 - A special blessing from Inspirational Media
3:28 - Reflecting on the highlights and challenges of 2024
5:22 - Listener Q&A: Do I get nervous interviewing guests?
6:54 - Behind the scenes: My episode with Rosanna Overcomer
8:53 - Listener Q&A: My favourite episode so far
9:30 - Listener Q&A: What do I think when I look back on old episodes?
11:10 - Listener Q&A: Will Bible study episodes make a comeback?
12:47 - Behind the scenes at The Send NZ
17:16 - Listener Q&A: Thoughts on the live New Testament reading?
20:50 - Listener Q&A: What was it like being on Life FM?
21:53 - Strange coincidences
24:33 - Celebrating our chart-topping success in 2024
26:53 - Listener Q&A: Will men ever feature on the podcast?
27:32 - BIG ANNOUNCEMENT: Don’t miss this! 🚨
28:06 - Listener Q&A: What’s the worst thing that’s ever gone wrong?
29:30 - Listener Q&A: What’s the best thing—the ultimate “Lord moment”?
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Join me as I sit down with Sarah Green, host of 'In the Dust' podcast. In this episode, we dive into the heart of the Salvation Army—its history, roles, and the process of becoming an solider or officer. Sarah shares insights into her experience with the organization, addressing common questions like, "Is the Salvation Army a cult?" and exploring the deeper purpose behind its mission.
We then transition into an intimate discussion about Sarah’s personal journey of loss, grief, and healing after losing her dad to cancer. Sarah opens up about finding out about the diagnosis, being there when he passed on her wedding anniversary and offers heartfelt advice for anyone grappling with the loss of a loved one.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:01 - Intro
1:36 - Welcome Sarah Green
1:58 - About In the Dust Podcast
3:06 - About Sarah
4:24 - What is the Salvation Army?
9:58 - What’s up with the Salvation Army uniform?
12:16 - The process of becoming a Salvation Army Officer
13:10 - What is a Soldier in the Salvation Army?
15:51 - The role of an Officer in the Salvation Army
17:38 - Being given orders on where to serve in the Salvation Army
25:01 - Does help come with the "string" of the gospel?
27:01 - Is the Salvation Army a cult?
28:50 - Sarah's final thoughts on the Salvation Army
29:18 - Sarah talks about losing her dad to cancer
31:28 - Finding out about the cancer diagnosis
37:51 - Being there when her dad passed away
44:20 - "Comparison is the thief of joy, but it's also the comfort for now. Gratefulness is the key."
45:26 - Sarah's mum remarried
47:47 - Sarah's advice for those losing a significant person in their lives
52:15 - What to expect from In the Dust Podcast
55:01 - How Sarah lives her faith outside of Sunday
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This week, Christa takes you to The Send New Zealand, where she interviewed three incredible women on the ground, capturing their passion for Jesus and passion for living our faith every day:
Introducing Soko, a pastor’s kid from Auckland Soko shares her unique perspective on embracing her 'P.K.' role as a calling and the importance of staying rooted in the Holy Spirit and Scripture.
Next up, Sarah introduces The Living Rooms, a home church movement based in Tauranga inspired by Scripture, and talks about nurturing deeper connections within the body of Christ.
Last but not least, Asha shares her heart for missions, her passion for living in continual prayer and communion with God and overcoming her fears with the Lord. If you would like to support Asha as she fundraises to go to YWAM click here.
These spontaneous and heartfelt conversations from The Send will leave you inspired to step out boldly in your own faith journey. Don’t miss it!
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0:00 - Coming up
0:55 - Intro
1:22 - Soko shares why she attended 'The Send'
3:20 - Viewing the title of 'Pastor's Kid' as a divine calling
5:03 - Embracing boldness in stepping out in faith
6:24 - Soko on staying connected to the Holy Spirit and Scripture
9:26 - Meet Sarah and explore 'The Living Rooms' home church concept
11:59 - Rethinking traditional church practices
14:26 - Pros and cons of gathering in homes
16:28 - The key focus for the NZ body of Christ
18:31 - Sarah's insights on nurturing faith in family life
22:13 - Introducing Asha and her passion for missions
23:45 - The significance of Christian missions
26:40 - The blessing of a Christian upbringing
28:50 - Living every moment in prayer and God’s presence
34:11 - Overcoming anxiety by walking in the Spirit
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In this week’s episode we are diving into the intricate dynamics of faith and marriage, with practical wisdom from Team and Personal Mentor Cora Dawson of Restoring Connections. We begin the episode with Cora reflecting on growing up in France and how her faith has evolved over nearly three decades, sharing the contrast between the passion of fresh belief and the endurance required for a long walk with Christ.
In the second half of the episode we get to sit in on what feels like a personal coaching session with Cora, as she draws from her expertise to guide us through how to approach sensitive topics—like pornography addiction—with grace and love. Her gift for communication shines through the whole episode as she shares practical, empowering advice to help listeners navigate tough conversations, while maintaining and building connection in our relationships.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:00 - Intro
8:58 - Growing up in France and the beginning of a faith journey
15:28 - Exploring the contrast between fresh faith and 29 years of walking with Christ
18:43 - Parallels between a relationship with God and married life
19:13 - Cora shares how she met Matt
22:58 - Facing challenges and conflicts in married life
24:50 - Learning the meaning of tested love
25:40 - Practical advice on how to navigate hard conversations
27:15 - Has pornography ever been an issue in your marriage?
30:22 - Discussing sexuality: Is it a need or a gift?
36:10 - Understanding Job 31 and its relevance for men today
36:51 - God's introduction of Eve to Adam
38:30 - Coping with difficult seasons in marriage and tips for discussing sensitive topics like pornography
44:12 - Preparing your heart and mind for challenging conversations
50:58 - Choosing the right time to have a serious discussion
57:50 - Differentiating between communication and manipulation in relationships
59:15 - What to do if past conversations haven’t worked: Setting healthy boundaries
1:03:50 - Learning to love even when you’re hurt
1:10:50 - Finding follow-up support after tough discussions
1:14:04 - How a personal relationship with the Lord strengthens a marriage
1:17:30 - How Cora lives her faith outside of Sunday
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In this episode, we sit down with Amelia, a wonderful doctor and woman of great faith, whose journey spans continents and brings light to some of life’s most challenging situations. From her decision to pursue medicine to her work supporting frontline healthcare workers during COVID in South Africa, Amelia’s story is one of love for, and submission to, Christ.
Amelia opens up about her shocking stomach cancer diagnosis, describing the miraculous moments she's experienced along the way. She reflects on the emotional and physical struggles of facing a terminal illness and the strength she’s drawn from her family. Through it all, Amelia reveals how she continues to find life-giving hope and joy in her relationship with Jesus, reminding us to keep our eyes on Him no matter the storm.
Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.
0:00 – Sneak Peek
0:55 – Introduction
1:05 – Context for this episode
2:09 – Meet Amelia
2:42 – Why Medicine?
3:00 – Journey to New Zealand
4:45 – Supporting Nurses and Doctors in South Africa During COVID
7:58 – Amelia's Faith Journey
10:30 – Personal Spiritual Growth Habits
13:35 – Facing a Stomach Cancer Diagnosis
19:45 – Experiencing Miracles
31:15 – Coping with Cancer’s Physical Challenges
33:39 – Sources of Support During Illness
36:51 – Considering Returning to South Africa
39:10 – How Amelia’s Family is Handling the Prognosis
43:55 – Navigating Tension as a Christian Doctor
45:20 – Processing Life and Mortality
50:14 – Life-Giving Sources in This Season
52:17 – Final Thoughts: Keep Your Eyes on Jesus
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In part 2 of our chat, Katie shares about the challenges of COVID-19 in Papua New Guinea and her daughter’s serious arm injury that led them back to New Zealand for surgery. Katie reflects on what stayed with her most about their mission work and the unexpected lessons learned.
Katie also dives into her journey of homeschooling—why she chose it, the ups and downs, and some advice for those considering it. And as always, we ask Katie about how she lives her faith outside of Sunday. I know this episode will encourage and bless you.
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0:00 – Previously
0:23 – Intro
0:40 – The Impact of COVID-19 on Life in Papua New Guinea
3:00 – A Mother's Ordeal: Katie’s Daughter’s Serious Arm Injury
7:20 – The Decision to Return to New Zealand for Treatment
10:42 – Quarantine and Arrival at Starship Hospital
13:00 – The Refining Trial of Suffering: “Worth More Than Gold”
16:43 – Reflections: The Most Profound Takeaways from Papua New Guinea
20:15 – Katie’s Personal Drive for Homeschooling Her Children
24:12 – Extending Grace to Both Homeschoolers and Non-Homeschoolers
25:24 – Challenges and Drawbacks of Homeschooling
28:06 – The Most Rewarding Aspects of Homeschooling
30:26 – Book Recommendations for Parents
33:00 – Practical Advice for Those Considering Homeschooling
35:41 – Advice for Families Entering the Mission Field
37:31 – Katie’s Preferred Homeschool Curriculum
39:40 – Living Out Faith Beyond Sunday: Katie’s Perspective
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In this episode, Katie opens up about her life as a missionary in Papua New Guinea, sharing the gritty reality of serving on the mission field. With a humble heart and wisdom rooted in Biblical truth, she speaks openly about the brutal challenges locals face—having no way to defend themselves, no justice, subject to witchdoctors, and spiritual fear—as well as the challenges missionaries encounter just to reach these isolated tribes. Katie’s missionary journey, which began at just 16, has tried her faith and refined her like gold.
You’ll be shocked, challenged, and encouraged by Katie’s missionary testimony, resilience and her faith in Christ. This episode isn’t just about hearing Katie’s experiences, but an opportunity to be moved to prayer for the missionaries who work tirelessly to bring hope where it's needed most.
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0:00 - Sneak Peek: What’s Ahead in Today’s Episode
0:35 - Host Introduction
0:49 - Meet Katie: Missionary, Wife, and Mother of Four
2:01 - Beginnings: Katie’s Missionary Calling at 16
7:11 - Life at the Hub: Katie and Her Husband’s Roles in Missionary Work
8:33 - Reaching the Unreached: Bringing Hope to Isolated Tribes
9:10 - The Missionary Reality: Confronting Abuse, Disease, and Witchcraft
13:01 - Tribal Beliefs: Creation Stories and Cultural Insights
14:35 - Supporting Each Other: Being a Missionary Wife
16:42 - Language Barriers and Rugged Landscapes
21:31 - Safety First: Navigating Risks for Locals and Missionaries
25:29 - Facing Challenges: Countering False Teachings
27:45 - Nurturing New Churches: Building a Strong Foundation
30:30 - News from Home: The Joy of Receiving Post from New Zealand
31:45 - Missionary Life with Kids: Managing a Family of Six on the Base
35:40 - Coping Mechanisms: Staying Resilient on the Field
42:33 - Next Week’s Preview: What’s Coming Up
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In this episode, we are sitting down with Sam Winders (also known as Sam Sinclair), a professional netball player who spent 11 years in the sport and reached the peak of representing New Zealand as a Silver Fern. Sam reflects on her journey from a determined young athlete with a passion for netball to competing at the highest level. She shares insights on the competitive nature of professional sports and the commitment it took to reach the top.
Sam also opens up about her Christian faith and how it has influenced her career. She discusses the challenges and rewards of balancing her identity as both a top athlete and a follower of Jesus. Sam reveals how her faith has changed over the years, how she navigated the expectations placed on her as an athlete in the spotlight, and the importance of keeping Christ at the centre of her life. With advice for aspiring Christian athletes, Sam encourages others to live their faith boldly, both on and off the court.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:49 - Intro
1:03 - Technical difficulties
2:57 - Welcome Sam Winders
3:50 - About Sam Winders (Sam Sinclair)
6:55 - When are you too old to play professional netball?
7:46 - Were you always passionate about netball?
10:59 - Reflecting on the competitive nature
12:24 - Moving into professional netball
16:00 - Becoming a Silver Fern
17:50 - Injuries?
19:20 - Where did your determination in sport come from?
20:30 - Highlight from Sam's netball career
22:29 - How did/do you navigate your platform as a professional athlete?
26:05 - How did your faith impact your sports career?
31:54 - How did you come to follow Jesus?
34:10 - Balancing faith as number 1 in life rather than netball
35:20 - Did being a Christian ever cost you during your time in professional sport?
36:30 - You can't help but stand out when you are living your life for Jesus
39:50 - Comparing Sam's faith from when she was in Uni, to now
42:00 - How are you living your faith outside of Sunday?
44:34 - The responsibility of representing Christ
46:10 - The expectations of others when you are a Christian professional athlete
46:55 - If you could do any other sport than netball what would it be?
48:00 - Advice for Christians in professional sports
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In this episode, Christa (Outside of Sunday Podcast) and Julie (from Whispers of Grace Podcast) dive into a range of important topics, starting with a reflection on our recent episodes with Victoria Sinis "OnlyFans Marketer Finds Christ." We talk about the unique challenges kids are facing today and swap stories about our first encounters with inappropriate content.
We cover tips for having those tough conversations with your kids, including 'the talk' and how to respond if your child makes decisions that don’t align with our Christian values - responding with grace when a child sins.
Towards the end of our chat we discuss the importance of fasting, how to "die to your flesh," and reflect on the good works that God has prepared for each of us. Throughout, it all comes back to embracing the heart of Christ in every situation.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:05 - Welcome
1:18 - Reflecting on 'OnlyFans Marketer Finds Christ'
2:25 - The challenges our kids are facing
3:47 - Swapping 'first time seeing prnography' stories
6:18 - God made sxuality and it is good
8:45 - How to react when your child views prn
10:35 - Having 'the talk' with your child
- How would you react to your child having a baby outside of marriage?
18:00 - Responding like Christ to a child who has sinned
19:14 - If you are struggling with prnography addiction
22:30 - The consumerization of women
25:17 - Why should Christians fast?
28:51 - How do I "die to my flesh"?
32:43 - It comes back to the heart of Christ
34:00 - What are the good works God has planned for me?
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In part 2 of our chat with Victoria Sinis, we hear how the Lord worked miraculously in her life and opened her eyes to the reality of OnlyFans. Victoria takes us through her experience of walking into church and being confronted with a message about the dangers of OnlyFans and our over-s*xualised culture.
Victoria dives into the escalating demands of explicit content creation and the false sense of control that often traps people on the platform. She has some invaluable advice for parents and advice for girls who are navigating today's pressures. You'll also hear her answer some questions from our Instagram community and learn how Victoria is living her faith outside of Sunday.
This episode is packed with raw honesty, hope, and encouragement—don’t miss it!
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0:00 - Previously
0:26 - Intro
0:42 - The Lord working miraculously in Victoria's life
1:49 - Victoria's eyes are opened to the reality of OnlyFans
4:54 - Victoria goes to Church and gives her life to Christ
8:09 - Why is OnlyFans not good for humanity?
16:38 - The difference between 'hotness' and 'beauty'
17:33 - The escalation of the content on OnlyFans
18:30 - The illusion of control with OnlyFans
23:27 - The reason girls start selling explicit content on OnlyFans
29:38 - The decision to finally leave her work at the OnlyFans Agency
29:29 - The joy of surrendering everything for Jesus
33:48 - Advice for parents
37:01 - The feedback from Victoria's talks in High Schools
38:20 - What to say when someone asks you to send 'nudes'
43:00 - Questions from Instagram ('How much money?' & 'What age was the youngest girl represented?')
44:50 - How is Victoria living her faith outside of Sunday?
49:20 - Coming up next week
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In this fascinating episode, we sit down with Victoria Sinis who opens up about her journey from working in an OnlyFans agency to becoming a bold advocate against pornography and the hypersexualized culture. Victoria candidly discusses her decision to leave the industry after realizing the damaging effects OnlyFans has on individuals and society at large and having a life-changing encounter with Christ.
Victoria also recounts how the Lord gave her supernatural sobriety and the miraculous ways God provided for her after she walked away from her job. Now a sought-after speaker, Victoria's viral TikToks have led to invitations to speak at schools and the popular Exodus Road podcast. Together we explore the rise of OnlyFans, its normalization in society, and the saturation of sexualized content in social media, emphasizing that this isn't just a "secular" issue.
Tune in to hear Victoria's incredible transformation and her call for others to find freedom in Christ.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:41 - Intro
0:56 - Welcome
2:04 - Victoria shares about her speaking tour of the US
2:37 - Quitting working for an OF agency and being transformed by Christ
4:14 - Supernatural sobriety
4:51 - Being invited to talk at schools & going viral on TikTok
6:50 - Seeking the Lord and supernatural provision
15:05 - Victoria's faith journey
19:20 - Leading up to working in Only Fans marketing
21:00 - First interaction with Only Fans
23:22 - What is Only Fans?
26:35 - OF becoming culturally acceptable
29:09 - What is an Only Fans agency?
34:08 - The saturation of s*xualised content
37:00 - This is not a 'secular' problem
42:04 - Starting work at an Only Fans agency
43:08 - Identity in Christ
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This week, we're reflecting on the incredibly moving testimony shared by Winnie McClutchie in previous episodes. Join us as we unpack some big questions about suffering, repentance, and forgiveness.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:53 - Intro
1:08 - Welcome and initial reactions
3:07 - What is the reason for suffering?
4:54 - Does God cause suffering?
6:26 - God causes good to come out of suffering
8:04 - The importance of repentance
19:04 - The freedom of forgiveness
22:09 - Embrace the 'sinner'
24:06 - Coming up next week
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In this episode, Winnie shares more of her powerful testimony. Winnie talks about being able to trust her children to her abusive mother, her half-siblings being kidnapped, and her struggles with alcohol and meth addiction. But through it all, Jesus was calling her back, and in 2014, she rededicated her life to Christ, committing to serve Him no matter what.
Winnie also reflects on God's provision during tough times and her journey out of debt with the help of Christians Against Poverty (CAP). We end the episode discussing the concept of taking thoughts captive to Christ, Winnie answers a listener's question and shares how she’s living her faith outside of Sunday. It's an inspiring and hope-filled conclusion to Winnie's heart-wrenching testimony of abuse and poverty - you don't want to miss this!
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0:00 - Previously
0:54 - Intro
1:09 - Trusting her babies to her abusive mother
1:48 - Winnie's older half-siblings kidnapped by their father
5:12 - Becoming an alcoholic after having her first drink at 4 years old
6:06 - Overcoming meth and alcohol addiction
10:28 - Jesus says 'come to me'
13:12 - Re-dedicating her life to Christ in 2014
20:06 - Choosing to serve the Lord no matter what
21:34 - The Kawerau Revival 2014
24:06 - God will give you all the things you need, not all that you want
26:49 - Miraculous healing
28:45 - God showed he was with Winnie always
29:37 - Debt catches up with Winnie
30:43 - Black market loan sharks
32:56 - Getting out of debt with the help of Christians Against Poverty (CAP)
35:33 - The power and gift of repentance
41:06 - Taking thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ
44:49 - Message for the listeners
46:32 - What is one piece of advice you would give to your younger self?
48:39 - How is Winnie living her faith Outside of Sunday?
49:58 - Coming up next week
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In this episode, we dive into the incredible story of Winnie McClutchie, who bravely shares her journey from a traumatic childhood steeped in abuse to finding hope in Christ. Starting with her tormented upbringing, Winnie opens up about the generational abuse she endured and her early negative exposure to Christianity. Angry at God, Winnie became an atheist and had her first attempted s*icide at just eight years old. Neglect and poverty later led to Winnie falling into criminal activity, including fraud and identity theft.
However, Winnie’s story doesn’t stop there. Later in life, through the work of the Lord, she was able to forgive her abusive mother. Winnie's journey is a powerful testament to the transformative and redemptive work of the Holy Spirit.
0:00 - Coming up
1:45 - Welcome & Introduction
2:26 - The start of Winnie's story
3:49 - Extreme childhood abuse
8:33 - Winnie's exposure to Christianity at an early age
11:13 - Generational sxual abuse
13:50 - Atheism and sicide attempt at 8 years old
23:14 - Observing and experimenting with Christianity
27:56 - Beginning of criminal activity
33:30 - Progressing to fraud and identity theft
36:46 - Becoming a Mum at 16
39:13 - Forgiving her abusive Mum
45:12 - What is Whāngai?
47:46 - Going to women's refuge
49:27 - Coping as a mother
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In this episode, Julie and I dive into the beauty of fresh faith and share some advice for those just starting their Christian journey. We tackle some big questions like, "Where should I start reading my Bible?", "Why hasn't God answered my prayer?", "What does the 'blood of Jesus' mean?" and we also explore the concept of suffering as a Christian and how it shapes our faith—click here to check out Julie's podcast episode on this topic for more insight!
As the episode continues, we reflect on the patience of God as He waits for us and journeys with us through the ongoing process of sanctification and I share a bit about my struggles with self-righteousness. Whether you’re a new believer or a seasoned Christian, this episode offers encouragement and wisdom wherever you are on your faith walk.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:56 - Intro
1:09 - The beauty of a new believer
2:34 - Advice for new Christians
4:32 - When should I start reading my Bible?
8:50 - Why hasn't God answered my prayer?
14:00 - Suffering as a Christian
15:50 - How patient God is to wait for us
16:48 - Sanctification
17:43 - I was self-righteous
21:17 - What does 'the blood of Jesus' mean?
25:33 - Final thoughts
29:50 - Coming up next week
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In this episode, Sarah shares with us the next chapter of her incredible journey. We pick things up with the moment she turned away from the 'Universe', asking the one true God to heal her from endometriosis. Sarah experienced miraculous healing and deliverance one evening at Youth Group all at the same time as committing her life to Christ. Sarah shares about how she received the gift of tongues from the Holy Spirit and how her life changed dramatically after embracing her faith in Jesus Christ. Sarah compares her past in the New Age with her newfound Christianity, and we geek out together about how amazing Jesus is!
Sarah also opens up about her family's reaction to her conversion and offers a message to anyone currently involved in the New Age or drugs. We discuss Christian celibacy, the joy of healing, and the sense of belonging that comes with joining the Christian faith. Finally, Sarah answers a listener question about marijuana and pain relief, and shares how she's living out her faith outside of Sunday.
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0:00 - Previously
0:37 - Intro
1:37 - Sarah asks God to heal her Endometriosis
5:17 - Miraculous healing and deliverance from demons
12:47 - Receiving the gift of tongues from the Holy Spirit
15:46 - Comparing Christianity to the New Age
17:28 - Christian meditation
19:37 - The change in Sarah after coming to Christ
24:27 - Geeking out about how great Jesus is
29:12 - How Sarah's family has reacted to her conversion to Christianity
30:38 - Message for anyone currently in the New Age or Drugs
33:14 - Discussing Christian celibacy
37:31 - Don't be afraid to heal
39:50 - When you become a Christian you join a family
42:17 - Being able to eat Gluten and Dairy again
43:36 - Listener question: Did smoking marijuana help with pain relief or just get you high?
47:17 - How is Sarah living her faith outside of Sunday?
50:32 - Coming up Next Week
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In part 1 of our chat with Sarah, you will hear all about her journey into the New Age and the beginnings of her conversion to Christianity. Sarah shares how anxiety and panic attacks took over her life at an early age, leading her into New Age practices like crystals and meditation and becoming a Reiki 'healer'. Despite initially feeling a sense of relief and awakening, her spiritual path soon began to unravel.
Sarah opens up about hitting rock bottom with her mental health struggles, endometriosis and anorexia, and how the New Age practices stopped 'working'. Returning home to her Mum, Sarah grew curious about Christianity and ultimately realized that her New Age beliefs were filled with lies.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:00 - Intro
1:14 - Welcome
2:04 - About Sarah
3:59 - Sarah's Christian background
6:06 - The longevity of prayer
7:30 - The beginnings of anxiety and panic attacks
8:10 - Doing what was right in my own eyes
10:38 - Anxiety ruled my life
12:22 - Extreme periods and going on 'the pill'
13:28 - "The pill... changed my sense of smell"
14:33 - Getting off 'the pill'
15:23 - Body image struggles
17:12 - The start of Sarah's spiritual journey
19:02 - Experimenting in the New Age
19:55 - What is Reiki Healing? Sarahs experience
21:40 - Moving deeper into New Age practices
22:47 - Mixing dr*gs and meditation
23:45 - New Age spiritual awakening
24:38 - Trapped in remote New Zealand in a flood and stranded for 2 days
29:10 - New Age turns sour
31:35 - Sarah's pain and struggle in stage 3 endometriosis
35:19 - Rock bottom of Sarah's mental health struggles, anorexia and reiki not 'working' anymore
39:50 - Moving back home to Mum
43:03 - Becoming curious about Christianity
43:37 - Reiki is witchcraft, 'speaking to the dead' isn't real, the lie of New Age spirituality
46:49 - Demonic experience
50:20 - Coming up next week
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In this 'Insights' episode Julie and I (Christa) reflect on the recent episode with Maria from Focus on the Family NZ, starting with a deeper look at the Bible verse, "Be still and know that I am God." We chat about how making space for quiet time deepens our connection and relationship with God.
We also talk about the challenges of simply sitting with ourselves and God and the ministry of tears. We share our thoughts on setting personal social media boundaries and discuss the pain of knowing everything happening in the world - there's a reason God is all-knowing and we're not! Rounding out our discussion we finish this episode with our thoughts on navigating social media as Christians and (myself personally) as a Christian content creator.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:44 - Intro
0:58 - About this episode
4:47 - Breaking down 'Be still and know that I am God'
6:20 - Making space to be still
8:44 - Jesus didn't take the Torah with Him when He went away to pray
10:20 - We don't know how to sit with ourselves and with God
11:00 - Ministry in tears
11:43 - Are you relaxing when you are on your phone?
12:50 - Can you hear the audible voice of God?
14:40 - Hearing God 'speak' through creation
15:50 - Self-imposed social media restrictions
18:39 - The overwhelming pain of knowing everything happening in the world
20:28 - "There's a reason why God is omniscient and omnipresent and not us"
22:29 - Even constant positive input can be too much
25:40 - Navigating social media as a Christian and a Christian content creator
31:31 - Coming up next week
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In part 2 of our chat with Maria from Focus on the Family NZ we tackle the challenges parents face in the digital age, starting with the question of what to do when your child wants a phone. We discuss setting boundaries for children's device use and the impact of affordable technology leading to even toddlers having their own devices.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:47 - What do you do when your child wants a phone?
3:08 - Boundaries for children's devices
4:30 - The affordability of devices has led to toddlers having devices
5:30 - The loss of landline phones
7:04 - Boredom is important
8:25 - The value of being still
10:19 - Advice for parents struggling to get kids off devices or social media
15:58 - TV is better for you than devices
16:40 - The negative side-effects of device use for children
18:00 - Instead of a device try this for your children
20:15 - A great resource 'Good Pictures Bad Pictures'
22:25 - If you're not sure if Brio Magazine is for your daughter
26:13 - Maria's testimony
31:20 - How is Maria living her faith outside of Sunday
35:45 - Next week
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In this episode, we introduce Maria Boddington from Focus on the Family and delve into her journey and insights. We start by learning about Maria's background before moving on to discuss Brio Magazine, a beautiful Christian magazine created to encourage and uplift young girls.
Maria shares her personal experience with parenting in the digital age, specifically managing her children's use of social media. She provides advice on teaching children critical thinking skills and we discuss the importance of being wise with social media. Maria emphasizes that while it's important not to be afraid of social media, being proactive is key. Join us for a light and informative conversation filled with practical tips and heartfelt wisdom.
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0:00 - Coming up
0:43 - Intro
1:10 - About Maria
4:27 - All about Brio Magazine
12:31 - The benefits of hardcopy over digital
14:41 - Maria's experience parenting her children's use of social media
21:00 - Advice on teaching critical thinking for children
26:35 - Why we need to be wise with social media
28:03 - Don't be afraid, but be proactive with social media
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In the final instalment of our chat with Jenny Chapman, we dive deep into the complex and often controversial issues surrounding abortion. Jenny addresses the stigma of adoption, she challenges the 'clump of cells' argument and Jenny discusses her involvement with Voice for Life.
Jenny highlights the only place in New Zealand where abortion rates are declining and recounts her experiences standing outside her local Hospital with signs advocating for life.
The episode concludes with a discussion on the intrinsic link between being Pro-Life and Christian and Jenny reflects on her own faith journey.
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0:00 - Previously
0:38 - Welcome
0:53 - It's more shameful to give your child up for adoption than to abort it
1:54 - The 'clump of cells' pro-abortion argument doesn't hold up
2:25 - Miscarriage and abortion
3:06 - Hospital avoiding giving stats on abortion
3:44 - Ultrasound destroys the 'clump of cells' argument
4:41 - Voice for Life
5:00 - How do you feel about abortive mothers?
8:16 - Abortion coercion
10:30 - 1 in 5 pregnancies in New Zealand end in abortion
11:15 - The only place in New Zealand where abortion numbers are going down
11:43 - You will lose friends when you are in Pro-Life advocacy
12:20 - Being accountable only to God
12:36 - A medical fact that makes people angry
13:26 - Standing outside the Hospital with signs advocating for life
14:28 - Highlights of Jenny's Pro-Life work
15:14 - Helping a young homeless Mum to choose life
16:11 - Pro-Life is showing women they are capable of being a good Mum and supporting that Mum
16:22 - Many successful people are born into poverty
17:18 - The gifts that people born with a disability can bring to the world
18:18 - Being Pro-Life and Christian go hand in hand
19:20 - 19-year-old pregnant from r*pe, kept baby
23:26 - Jenny shares about her faith journey
30:42 - Coming up next week
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In part 2 of our conversation with Jenny Chapman, we continue exploring her young daughter Tara's courageous battle with brain cancer. Starting with a re-telling of their shared vision of Heaven, we hear about Tara's miraculous recovery and the challenges she faced as her health and speech deteriorated before her passing.
Jenny shares how she drew courage from Tara's example, emphasizing that we don't get to decide what miracles look like, and how, despite our faith in God, suffering is an unavoidable part of life.
The conversation then shifts to Jenny's involvement in the New Zealand Pro-Life movement. She highlights the role of Pro-Life advocacy in protecting the elderly, disabled and terminally ill, and discusses the importance of a culture and community that values life.
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0:00 - Previously
0:32 - Intro
0:47 - A vision of Heaven
3:25 - Tara's condition and miraculous recovery
6:00 - The use of sign language as speech deteriorated
8:09 - The final days before Tara's death from Brain Cancer
10:30 - The parallel of birth and death
11:08 - Drawing courage from Tara's example
11:30 - We don't get to decide what the miracle looks like
13:57 - Just because we love God doesn't mean to get to avoid suffering
15:45 - What stands out most to Jenny from Tara's illness
19:12 - Jenny's involvement in the New Zealand Pro-Life movement
21:09 - Pro-Life is anti-suicde
22:23 - The Pro-Life role to protect the disabled and terminally ill
24:19 - Taking care of the sick, elderly and dying
26:20 - Thou shalt not kill
27:03 - Culture says abortion is ok in these circumstances
27:47 - Does rpe make abortion ok?
28:44 - Does being born into poverty make abortion ok?
29:42 - It's very cost-effective for the New Zealand government to abort babies in poor families
30:34 - How little encouragement it takes for a woman to keep her baby
31:53 - Do mental health problems make abortion ok?
32:56 - Abortion is no longer shameful, adoption is shameful
33:22 - Coming up next week
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In the first part of our chat with Jenny Chapman, we delve into the heart-wrenching journey of her daughter Tara's battle with a terminal illness. Jenny opens up about the moment they realised something was wrong, the urgent push for a MRI scan, and the devastating diagnosis that changed their lives. She shares how Tara faced her condition with remarkable strength, the impact on their family, and how they navigated treatment at Starship Hospital. Jenny also discusses the profound ways their faith sustained them, offering advice for parents in similar situations and reflecting on the concept of suffering in the Christian walk. You don't want to miss this deeply moving conversation... keep the tissues handy.
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0:00 - Coming up
1:04 - Intro
1:20 - Welcome & About Jenny Chapman
2:20 - About Tara
3:58 - Noticing that something wasn't right with Tara
5:05 - Pushing for an urgent MRI scan
6:00 - Realising it's bad news
6:19 - "Our whole world changed"
8:20 - She was terminal, but well
9:22 - The best thing parents can do when their child is diagnosed with a terminal disease
10:44 - Moving the family to Starship Hospital
11:30 - Treatment for Brain Cancer
13:08 - Did Tara understand the seriousness of her condition?
15:53 - She was never scared of dying
18:16 - Tara fires her therapist
19:04 - How did the other kids process Tara's illness?
22:43 - Should we hold on to the belongings of someone who has passed?
23:37 - How was your relationship with the Lord while you were dealing with Tara's illness?
27:00 - Understanding 'suffering' in the Christian walk
29:43 - Keeping a record of precious moments
30:56 - Miraculous recovery
31:38 - Coming up next week
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In this episode, we continue our conversation with Liz Goodgame by talking about rebuilding her marriage through prayer, persistence, and fun. Liz shares who made the call to seek marriage counselling, we discuss the benefits of the strengths finder test and Liz shares about making the decision not to give up. We explore the significance of praying together and how Liz and her husband overcame a crisis of faith.
If you are in an abusive marriage, please seek immediate help and check out episode 22 'Should Wives Submit to their Husbands' available on Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts.
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0:00 - Previously
0:41 - Intro
0:57 - Who made the call to go to a marriage counsellor
1:51 - Personal growth helps in marriage
2:30 - The benefit of the strengths finder test
4:35 - Deciding not to give up
5:34 - Liz shares the bible verse that she clung to during this difficult season
6:45 - Struggling with 'people pleasing'
7:32 - Comparing marriage then to now
9:53 - Advice for those struggling in marriage
14:17 - Threatening my husband with marriage counselling
15:29 - How to pray together in marriage
21:10 - Crisis of faith during a difficult season
27:00 - How are you living your faith outside of Sunday?
29:32 - Coming up next week
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In this episode, we sit down with Liz Goodgame to discuss life and the realities of Christian marriage. Liz shares about a dark period in her marriage when years of unspoken issues piled up, bringing them to a crisis point. Through prayer and their determination not to give up, Liz and her husband found healing after moving from the USA to New Zealand, embracing space and a slower pace. Join us for an encouraging conversation about faith, resilience, and overcoming marital struggles.
If you are in an abusive marriage, please seek immediate help and check out episode 22 'Should Wives Submit to their Husbands' available on Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts.
0:00 - Coming up
0:46 - Intro
1:01 - Welcome
1:15 - Grey gals
2:10 - About Liz Goodgame
2:44 - Liz's testimony
6:35 - Meeting her husband
7:49 - Convincing our husbands to marry us
8:35 - Early years of marriage
11:35 - Marriage breakdown
12:00 - Deciding to come to New Zealand
13:40 - Are we going to make it?
15:09 - Time to start healing our marriage in New Zealand
15:57 - Doing things you enjoy
16:49 - What did marriage look like in that difficult season?
20:29 - Christa's difficult marriage season
21:33 - Were you even friends?
22:32 - Coming together as a team in New Zealand and embracing space
23:45 - Busy-ness can subvert a marriage
24:35 - What was your relationship with the Lord like during that hard season?
27:31 - What saved your marriage?
29:04 - Coming up next week
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In the final chapter of our conversation with Rosie from Gloriavale, we delve into the reconciling of her faith outside of the abusive cult. Rosie details her intense emotional struggles, including daily panic attacks, and the liberating feeling of finally being free, a year after leaving Gloriavale. Rosie and Christa discuss the problematic teachings of Gloriavale, such as the stigmatization of grace and liberty, the unrealistic expectation of sinlessness, and the controversial belief that having fewer children is equivalent to killing future children.
The episode concludes with a message from Rosie to the New Zealand Christian community, a call to prayer and a look into how Rosie is currently living her faith outside of Sunday.
0:00 - Previously
1:03 - Intro
1:20 - What was it like after leaving Gloriavale, in terms of your faith? -
3:40 - Daily panic attacks
5:41 - Finally free, a year after leaving the cult
6:20 - Grace and Liberty looked down on in Gloriavale
7:10 - "I'm a Christian now"
8:54 - Getting angry at God
10:00 - Questioning everything
13:40 - If you only have 2 children you are killing future children
15:00 - God answered Rosie's prayer to not be deceived
15:41 - How does what is happening in Gloriavale reconcile with true Christianity?
16:30 - Did you recognise the leaders as false teachers?
20:54 - Leader went to prison for s*xual abuse
24:54 - Is the church of Acts attainable or are there lessons we can learn from Gloriavale?
29:45 - Cult leader thought he could be completely sinless and create a community without sin
32:28 - Has there been a response from the Christian community?
33:40 - Response from current Gloriavale leader to Escaping Utopia Documentary
35:02 - Message for the New Zealand Christian community
38:18 - Why did you decide to come on the Outside of Sunday podcast?
38:58 - How are you living your faith outside of Sunday?
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In part 2 of our conversation with Rosie from Gloriavale, we're diving deep into the truth of the practice of Christianity inside the reclusive sect. Rosie bravely shares about knowing at an early age that there was something very wrong within the community. In this episode, you will also hear about the key moment Rosie fully realised it was time to leave Gloriavale behind.
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Gloriavale is a reclusive and abusive 'Christian' community in the remote South Island of New Zealand. In the first part of our conversation with Rosanna Overcomer, who was born into the community, Rosie shares what her childhood looked like inside Gloriavale. We discuss schooling, play time and child labour. Rosie also shares her harrowing experience giving birth to 3 of her children inside Gloriavale, and she compares it with her experience, birthing 3 more children, outside of Gloriavale.
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In this episode Krystal shares honestly about the journey into sobriety and the challenges of living that out, She also shares about coming off the fence and choosing to live for Christ.
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Join us for a moving conversation in Part 1 of our chat with Krystal Stevenson. In this episode, mother of three Krystal opens up about her descent into the dark valley of alcoholism. This is a story of trauma and struggle, but also of God's relentless love, as He answers the prayers of His beloved daughter through the love and support of Krystal's family.
The rehab centre that Krystal mentions in this episode is Te Nikau (Freedom Life) https://www.freedomlife.org.nz/
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There is no episode for the podcast today so I thought I'd take the opportunity to share a message with my 'Outsiders'!
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Welcome to the second part of our chat with Julie Colbeth from the 'Whispers of Grace' podcast. Drawing from biblical wisdom and her own experiences, in this episode Julie provides listeners with tools to recognize the signs of burnout and shares advice on how to overcome ministry burnout - emphasizing how it all comes back to our relationship with Christ.
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Today on the podcast we are hearing from Julie Colbeth, host of the 'Whispers of Grace' podcast. In this episode Julie shares candidly about the challenges she faced in Christian ministry, experiencing burnout, and the heart-wrenching loss of two babies through miscarriage. Throughout our conversation, Julie gracefully weaves together Biblical wisdom and her own testimony, pointing to the unwavering faithfulness of God who promises to be 'with us'.
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In part 2 of our chat with Kathy, she shares the moving story of being woken three times in the night by God to pray for her baby, Maia, who was later diagnosed with a serious condition called 'Hydrops.' Kathy recounts the miracle God worked in her baby's life and the peace He provided during such a distressing time. She also opens up about her reluctance to become a 'Pastor's Wife' and reflects on her journey of growth in the role.
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In this episode Kathy shares her testimony of growing up in a loving church community where a massive church scandal caused her to abandon her faith. But no matter how distant, Kathy shares how it was God's relentless love that drew her back to Him.
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In part two of our chat with Vika she shares about a remarkable parallel between herself and another girl adopted from Russia. We also talk about how the enduring support of her mother-in-law helped her finally accept help for her Postpartum Anxiety, how to help someone struggling with a mental health crisis and the faithfulness of the Lord through her difficult season.
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In part one of our conversations with Vika Ellis she shares about her adoption from Russia, becoming a wife and mother and dealing with postpartum anxiety as a Christian.
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Are hot cross buns, and chocolate easter eggs, a pagan distraction? Or - are they a harmless tradition and something that adds to our Christian, Easter festivities? We’ll find out on this episode of the OOSP.
For some reason, many of the traditions surrounding Christian holidays are labelled as being pagan in origin. Whether it’s Christmas trees at Christmas time (check out our Christmas series for a look at that one) or hot cross buns and easter eggs at Easter time - everything is slapped with the pagan label. Is there any substance or foundation for these claims?
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Welcome back to the podcast. Today I'm going to share with you 3 unique family-friendly ways that you can celebrate Easter.
I’ve always felt that Easter for Christians should be the biggest celebration on the Christian calendar - even bigger than Christmas. Like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 if Christ has not been raised then our faith is in vain, we are still in our sins and we are of all people most to be pitied. But Christ has been raised, our faith is not in vain, if we have repented and trusted in Christ our sins have been forgiven and that is why Christians celebrate Easter.
So in my home, with my family, I’ve aimed to make Easter an extra special and memorable time of year. Don’t leave it for your church’s Easter service, don’t leave up to the Sunday school, let’s celebrate/remember what Christ did for us, at Easter, outside of Sunday.
I would love to know your traditions and the ways that you celebrate Easter too - so please let me know in the comments!
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Today on the podcast we are continuing our chat with Leanne Ellis of Free Rain International. In this episode Leanne expands on the abuse, poverty and desperation of many people living in the Mathare Valley Slum in Kenya. Please check out Free Rain International and support the important work they are doing by visiting their website - click here.
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Today on the podcast we are talking with Leanne Ellis of Free Rain International. Leanne shares with us her experience working with Free Rain in Thailand and Africa, training those on the front lines and providing opportunities for the ones suffering in s-x trafficking.
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Coming up on the Outside of Sunday podcast is part 2 of our chat with Siyanna Waru. In this episode Siyanna shares with us how Christians were historically major perpetrators of Anti-Judaism and we ask the question of whether this means Christians today should support Israel no matter what.
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Coming up on the Outside of Sunday podcast we are talking with Siyanna Waru. Raised in a Christian home, Siyanna shares about being an analytical skeptic, and going to Bible college to decide whether she wanted to be a Christian or not. In this episode Siyanna shares her research on the subject of historical anti-judaism, the difference between anti-judaism and anti-semitism and the first instance of anti-judaism as recorded in historical extra-biblical writings. Check it out in this episode of the Outside of Sunday Podcast.
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In this episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast we have part 2 of our chat with Sarayah Smith. Today Sarayah shares about how Body Dysmorphic Disorder led to body mutilation, how she deals with the disorder as a Christian and how she hopes to help others struggling with BDD. Check it out in this episode of the Outside of Sunday Podcast. Little side note: This episode discusses drug use, self harm, suicide and anorexia so discretion is advised.
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Note: This episode discusses drug use, self harm, suic*de and anorexia so discretion is advised... Coming up on the Outside of Sunday podcast we are talking with Sarayah Smith. Raised in a Christian home, Sarayah shares openly about her struggle with Body Dysmorphic Disorder, being far from Lord, and how clinging to Christ literally saved her life.
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Today on the podcast we are diving back into our chat with Bethany Ennor who is sharing her testimony of living life as a ‘sneaky sinner’ and being radically transformed by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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In this episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast we are talking with Bethany Ennor. A gifted Christian woman; Bethany is a NZ singer/songwriter who recently released an album titled ‘Grace upon Grace’ with Captivate Music. In our chat Bethany also shared about her time on the XFactor NZ, suffering a debilitating skin condition and the difference between worship music and worship.
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How was Jesus conceived? Did God sleep with Mary? How is a virgin birth possible? What was Jesus doing before His conception? We will be discussing all of this and more on the next episode of the Outside of Sunday Podcast ‘Christmas Series’.
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Is teaching our kids that Santa is real, something a Christian should do? What do I say when my children ask me point blank if Santa is real? Will I rob my children of the magic of Christmas if I tell my child the truth? We’ll be discussing all of this in this episode of the Outside of Sunday ‘Christmas Series’.
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This is the Outside of Sunday ‘Christmas Series’. In the lead up to Christmas we are going to be looking at some of the most controversial and curious questions surrounding Christmas. And today we are actually going to do something a little off-script - I’m going to share with you 5 ways to point others to Christ this Christmas.
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Apparently the Bible BANS Christmas trees. And I heard that they are a symbol of pagan worship... so I guess it’s time to recycle our plastic Christmas trees and leave the real trees for the forest - or is it?? Find out in this episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast.
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Should Christians have Christmas trees? Aren’t Christmas trees pagan? And actually, are Christians even supposed to celebrate Christmas on December 25? Should Christians even celebrate Christmas at all? In the Outside of Sunday Christmas series we are going to get to the bottom of some of the most controversial questions surrounding the Christmas season. Check it out starting with the next episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast.
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There is so much information in the news, so much rhetoric and loaded phrases being thrown about around the subject of the Hamas/Israel conflict. How did we get here? Let’s cut through the noise and find out what’s going on; historically and biblically in the next episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast.
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Today on the podcast I’m going to be sharing a recording of a conversation I recently had with Deb from Mama’s Mission. Mama’s Mission is an amazing podcast and resource for Christian Mama’s looking for encouragement and tips on how to navigate that great commission of discipling our children. We talked about her testimony, fertility struggles, how she was led to start the Mama’s mission podcast and tips for discipling your children. Check out the links below to listen and connect with Deb at 'Mama’s Mission' podcast:
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Welcome to this episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast. Today we are talking about the turmoil in the world we live and ask the question - is it time to move into a commune with our Christian friends and family, and invest in radiation suits for ourselves and our children? Or is there a greater opportunity for the faith community in these tumultuous times?
There truly is a lot going on in the world right now. And it can be scary when you lay the pieces all out. But we are not going to be focussing on the events of the world in this episode. Instead we are going to look at the word of God because, in His goodness, the Lord has already given us the final word on this topic.
What is God’s word on this topic? To find out, today we are going to look at the words Jesus said about the end times as recorded in Mark 13 and Luke 21.
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Welcome to the Outside of Sunday Podcast. This episode is the first book review for the podcast and our first book is - The Pilgrim's Progress.
The Pilgrim's Progress is a classic Christian allegory. An allegory is a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning. The Pilgrim's Progress is not only a Christian classic, but it has been described as the ultimate English classic, a book that has been continuously in print, from its first publication in 1678 to the present day. And despite the wide gap in time (almost 350 years) from the author to the modern 2023 reader it remains relevant. Not only relevant but helpful, inspiring, challenging and encouraging. The guardian newspaper (non-Christian newspaper) made it number 1 in their ‘top 100 best novels’:
“There's no book in English, apart from the Bible, to equal Bunyan's masterpiece for the range of its readership, or its influence on writers as diverse as William Thackeray, Charlotte Bronte, Mark Twain, CS Lewis, John Steinbeck and even Enid Blyton.” - The Guardian
If you are looking for a feel-good Christian book telling you how wonderful you are and how pleasant the Christian life is, or how to prosper financially as a Christian in the world this is not the book you are looking for. But I hope it’s the book you find. The Pilgrim's Progress cuts to the heart of Christianity and if you let it, it will shape your Christian walk for the better.
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In this episode we are going to be looking at 3 sections/passages of scripture that people have been using to ‘prove’ that the bible actually supports transgenderism. One is the creation account in Genesis, then its Jesus’s comments on eunuchs which is found in Matthew 19 and finally Romans 12:2.
Now it may or may not surprise you to know that some transgender activists are using certain verses in the bible as ‘evidence’ that the bible supports gender diversity and transgenderism as a whole. These are not pastors or church leaders, they are activists who want to clear any objections to the transgender ideology and lifestyle.
Now before we get into their arguments, let’s start with the basics…
I think we all realise that you won’t find the word ‘transgender’ anywhere in the bible. What we will find is plenty of text that shows us the biblical stance on the topic. This is good. And that’s the bible for you - honestly, the answer to any question you have about life and faith, God has put it right there in that dusty bible on your bookcase, we just have to crack it open and have a proper look.
One word - context. Context is sooooo important. And that’s because just like we are going to look through and find the truth about transgenderism in the bible. Transgender activists are looking through the same bible, pulling verses out of context to ‘prove’ that the bible actually affirms/supports transgenderism.
As Christians we should look to the bible to shape our worldview and opinions, not take our worldview and opinions to the bible – and try to force them to fit by taking verses out of context and twisting the meaning of scripture.
So let’s start our investigation of the biblical stance on transgenderism by looking at the book of Matthew, chapter 19.
In the first part of the chapter Jesus is asked by some Pharisees about divorce. And instead of immediately replying with his answer about the divorce issue he says this:
Matthew 19:4
Jesus answered, “ Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
So here we have Jesus, the person on whom Christianity hangs, affirming what is recorded in Genesis. Gender binary. That God created us male and female. Jesus is quoting Genesis 1:27: So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. This seems like a pretty open and shut case right there. No gender spectrum, only a gender binary - male and female. Established by God in Genesis, affirmed by Jesus here in the book Matthew.
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Welcome to this episode of the Outside of Sunday Podcast. Today we are going to talk about transgender ideology. What is transgenderism and as Christian parents, how do we handle this topic with our kids?
Welcome back to the podcast Outsiders! If you’ve been listening for a while you will know, I am not one to shy away from controversial subjects and the transgender topic we have for you today is certainly controversial.
Transgender or gender identity is a subject that has been getting more and more air time on social media and media as a whole. It has already started to be promoted in New Zealand schools, and it has become a celebrated social virtue to raise your child transgender.
As Christian parents we need to prepare ourselves for how we will tackle this subject with our own children. Because it will come up. It’s not going to go away.
Now before we get into all of that I think it’s important to recognise our responsibility towards the people who identify as transgender.
Straight off the bat; we should regard them just as we would any other unbeliever. They are our neighbours. Our responsibility is to love them.
It can be easy to get caught up in the politics of the issue and look past the people who are involved. Think of the lost sheep, the lost coin (Luke 15) - those parables talk about the immense worth of those who are lost. The shepherd has 100 sheep and when one of the sheep gets lost he leaves the 99 and searches in the mountains for that one lost sheep. Same with the woman who loses one of her 10 coins. She turns her house upside down to find it. The lost have incredible value in God’s eyes.
A person who identifies as transgender has the same incredible worth in the eyes of God as you or I. They need the gospel and the transforming power of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Just as we all do.
Now, I’m not saying that if a person identifies as transgender they can’t be Christian. I think you can. You can come to Christ exactly as you are. But as the saying goes:
“God loves you just the way you are, but He refuses to leave you that way.”
We are all a work in progress, a continuing progress of sanctification - the end goal being for our lives to look like Jesus.
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Welcome to this episode of the Outside of Sunday Podcast. This week we are asking the question - why go to church? And we will be addressing a recent scandal in the NZ church.
With the COVID lockdowns shaking up how we do church, and more scandals coming to light within the wider Christian community. Why should we bother? My faith is in Jesus, not church. Wouldn’t it just be better to hang out with our Christian friends on a Sunday and watch a message together on YouTube? Or even just at home on our own? Do a little bible reading and then get on with the day. Why go to church?
I have been so tempted to do just that. Hang out with my Christian friends every Sunday, watch a message together online and just spend time in fellowship. We did do a bit of that over lockdown, but there's a reason why it stopped and why we don’t do that every Sunday. There’s no verse that says we have to go to church every week - so why should we do it?
And what about the scandals? Why go to church when the pastor is just going to let you down?
I’ve been praying about it for a while; what should I sayin this episode. Because I feel like I need to address what’s going on with Arise church. This is not something I am doing lightly, I’ve been very prayerful about it and I feel like there is something to be said.
We have all heard by now that the senior pastors of Arise have been facing a major scandal within their church, and have resigned. I’m not going to outline exactly what happened, the accusations are wide ranging, but it boils down to this: there were multiple, major moral failures by certain pastors and the victims of those moral failures have brought their stories to light through a secular journalist.
This is a terrible thing. But it is good that this has come out. Sin should always be brought to the light.
Ephesians 5:11-13
11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light.
James 5:16 16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
So yes, I think it’s good that this has all come to the light.
What is not good however, and what I find disgraceful about the situation (in addition to what we are hearing in the reports), is that it wasn’t brought to the light by the ones who needed to confess, repent and face the consequences of their sin. The pastors themselves should have been the ones to expose their sin. Instead, it was brought to the light by an unbeliever - it’s not only a shameful thing for the Christian community that it happened that way, it’s a tragedy for those who are the victims. I can’t even begin to imagine how alone, how unheard and how desperate the people affected must have felt to not be able to have their claims heard and addressed within the church.
Everything should be brought to the light. I understand that the full extent of the abuse allegations have not been revealed because some of the victims were required to sign NDA’s - non disclosure agreements. This is another thing I find absolutely disgraceful. No member of a church should ever be required to sign a NDA. There should be nothing kept in darkness. Bring it to the light, repent, face the consequences.
It’s important to note that there are campus pastors and people still in Arise who have nothing to do with all this, and who will now be facing a massive challenge to their faith. Pray for them, pray that they would seek the Lord, hunger and thirst for righteousness. Pray that dramatic changes are made to ensure this never happens again. But pray most of all for the victims, that the Lord would
CORRECTION: In this episode I talk about children accessing pornography on their school devices. The children were not viewing the pornography on their school devices, as far as I am aware. They were learning from school friends how to access that content at home, on the devices their parents allow them to use, in ‘incognito mode’ and also learning how to delete their browsing history.
I just have to start today by sharing something shocking with you. And this is a parent warning for the next few minutes so please don’t let your children hear. My friend is on a NZ parenting group on Facebook, and she told me that a Mum posted in the group that her 7 year old child, who has a school iPad type device, has been using said device to watch hardcore, violet porn. The device had all the school approved internet protections on it apparently, but they kids were teaching each other, at 7 years old, how to find this stuff, how to go ‘incognito’ and delete their browsing history after viewing the hard core violet porn. How absolutely devastating. Apparently the kids were also using the devices unsupervised at lunch time. Those are all the details I know but it is absolutely horrifying to me that a child, 7 years old, has been viewing something like that.
Have you heard of the ‘power of first mention’? It’s how the first mention, or the first experience of something, has power. Once you have that first mention, you will subconsciously compare everything to that first mention. If it was the first time someone mentioned drugs to you and they painted it as a wonderful, fun thing to do, then you will compare every other mention of drugs to that first mention. “Drugs are bad”, “Wait, I don’t know about that, I’ve heard they are fun and wonderful.”. If it’s the first mention of sex, and it’s looking at violent pornography with your friends for fun at school, that is how you will understand sex it be. Not as something that is from God, that is Holy and good within the confines of marriage. Rather as something that is secret, hidden, violent, meant to hurt either you or the other person involved for selfish pleasure. Just awful. I hope that the woman's 7 year old get’s counseling, as well as the other children who are involved too. Parents, we need to be so careful. So careful.
Today on the podcast we are not doing a bible study per se. Instead we are going to be talking about kids' content that contains witchcraft. As Christian parents, should we let our kids watch TV shows or movies that contain witchcraft? Should we not let them watch any at all? Is a middle ground ever possible when it comes to witchcraft in children's content? We are going to get into all of that today.
Last week we had a chat about how my husband and I manage the content that our kids watch. That’s not to say that how we do things is how you should do things, rather I hope that if you were listening last week that the episode gave you a chance to think a little deeper about what you do or do not let your kids watch. If you haven’t listened to that episode I definitely want to encourage you to go back and listen to that first.
My name is Christa, welcome back to the Outside of Sunday Podcast. This podcast is part bible study, part conversation, the goal being to encourage you to get outside of Sunday. Yes, go to church on Sunday, but don’t save everything for that one day. Take your worship outside of Sunday, your bible reading outside of Sunday, your prayer life outside of Sunday. I’m not a pastor or a theologian, I definitely don’t have it all figured out. But I love the Lord. I am passionate about His word and I want to spend my life bringing Him as much glory as I possibly can. I hope that this podcast can help you to pursue our Lord, and grow in your faith, outside of Sunday.
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For a little while now I’ve been thinking about doing an episode about the movie Encanto and have a chat about our kids and media consumption. Then last week I had the most amazing breakfast - it was amazing because it was at a cafe, it was kid-free and it was with quality friends. And while we were enjoying our breakfast we started talking about Encanto and our kids and media consumption. It felt like it was time.
So in today's episode we’re going to focus on our kids and media consumption, and in the next episode we will look at witchcraft in kids movies with a focus on Encanto, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe and The Princess and the Frog. So keep an eye out for that one.
Ok, now before I start: this is not a bible study, this is not a parenting course, this is just a one sided conversation intended to help us to think a little bit deeper about what media we as Christian parents let our kids consume. This is not intended to be a judgment on your parenting choices. Let’s just talk about it.
To start; I know that not every Christian parent lets their kids watch movies, TV or perhaps not any screen at all. And are some Christian parents who are happy to let their kids watch pretty much everything and anything. I fall somewhere in the middle. Like I said; I’m not here to judge either way - it’s your family, your rules. But I do hope that, no matter what side you fall on this issue, you will get something out of this episode.
So, I let my kids watch TV shows and movies. I don’t let them watch everything out there - we watch mostly G rated content and sometimes the big kids will watch a PG movie - it depends on what it is. But, is it ok for me as a Christian parent to do that? Or am I being too strict?
I know that there are pastors who would probably teach that christian parents should not let any media into the home, or perhaps only 100% Christian content. Some might say it’s actually good to let your kids be exposed to the culture of the world. I’m not a pastor so I’m not going to draw any line in the sand here but what I will say is this: it’s not ‘Christian’ to not let your kids watch any media at all, and it’s also not ‘Christian’ to let your kids watch whatever they want. ‘Christian’ is being a follower of Jesus and a receiver of His gospel. Still, as Christians, we should use wisdom and ask the Lord for guidance on this issue.
I mentioned earlier that I’m somewhere in the middle on this subject. What does that mean? Being in the middle ground for me means that my kids do watch Christian content but I also allow them to watch secular TV shows and movies, just not everything and anything. There are a few reasons why I’m a middle-grounder so why don't I just lay them out for you:
I want my kids to be ‘in’ the world, but not ‘of’ the world, be part of the culture but not shaped by it.
I want to help them understand non-christian worldviews
I want to use the secular TV shows and Movies they watch as a tool to help reinforce our families biblical worldview
I want to protect the innocence of their minds for as long as possible.
That might seem like a tall order but that’s what I want for my kids.
I want them to be able to relate with their peers, to understand where their non-christian friends are coming from. I want them to see the gospel in Encanto (more on that next ep) and I want to shield them from things that would take away some of their innocence.
I am so aware that my time with my children is precious and fleeting. My oldest is going to be 8 this year and I can already picture him as a teenager, finishing high school, getting a job and then moving out of home. And that’s a good thing, we should want that for our children. But it also makes me very sad to think about.
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This is now the third and final part of our study of the Daughter of Zion. In part one we saw the Daughter of Zion’s birth through the prophetic words of the prophet Isaiah. Although her past actions were sinful and full of idolatry, she comes to God in repentance and because of that God accepts her and sees her as His precious, pure daughter and he calls her Virgin Daughter Zion.
In part two of our study we read about the betrothal of Daughter Zion. The Daughter of Zion has come of age. She is betrothed to a ‘Lord who will take delight in her’. A prophetic word about the coming Messiah, Jesus. But then, almost just as soon as the engagement has been proclaimed, Israel, Daughter Zion once again rebels and sins greatly against God. The bride has ignored her commitment to her future husband and has instead committed adultery repeatedly. Although He is willing to reconcile, the Daughter of Zion is not. She has rejected her husband-to-be. And so God issues her a certificate of divorce, and hands Daughter Zion over for just judgment. Israel is exiled and Jerusalem is destroyed. Zion, the heartbeat of Israel, is lost. The Daughter of Zion is no more.
Welcome back to the Outside of Sunday Podcast. This is a podcast for women, a bible study and one-sided conversation to encourage you to get outside of Sunday. Jesus doesn’t live in your church; His Holy Spirit lives in His people, in you! Yes, go to church, but don’t save everything for Sunday. Take your worship outside of Sunday, your bible reading outside of Sunday, your prayer life outside of Sunday. I’m not a pastor or a theologian, I definitely don’t have it all together. But I love the Lord. I am passionate about His word and I want to spend my life bringing as much glory to Him as I possibly can. I hope that this podcast can help you to pursue our Lord, and grow in your faith, outside of Sunday.
Alrighty, let’s get into the conclusion of our study of the Daughter of Zion.
The heartbeat of Israel is still. There’s no blip on the monitor. When we left our study last week we were in the book of Jeremiah. The book immediately following Jeremiah is the book of Lamentations. A book of lament. And it’s pretty much all about the Daughter of Zion. A lament is a passionate expression of sorrow or grief. The anonymous writer is lamenting, mourning over the fall of Jerusalem, the Daughter of Zion. Listen to this:
Lamentations 1:4-6
The roads to Zion mourn,
for no one comes to her appointed festivals.
All her gateways are desolate,
her priests groan,
her young women grieve,
and she is in bitter anguish.
5 Her foes have become her masters;
her enemies are at ease.
The Lord has brought her grief
because of her many sins.
Her children have gone into exile,
captive before the foe.
6 All the splendor has departed
from Daughter Zion.
Her princes are like deer
that find no pasture;
in weakness they have fled
before the pursuer.
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It was during one of Israel’s bleakest times that God chose to use this term, Virgin Daughter Zion, to describe His people as a precious, pure young daughter. And He reaches out and rescues her from complete destruction. Safe in the arms of her Father, Israel is saved.
So what happens from here? Well the next time Daughter Zion is mentioned directly and indirectly throughout Isaiah, but we are going to pick up her story in chapter 62. And we are going to read it now, the next phase of her journey:
Isaiah 62:1
For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent,
for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet,
till her vindication shines out like the dawn,
her salvation like a blazing torch.
2 The nations will see your vindication,
and all kings your glory;
you will be called by a new name
that the mouth of the Lord will bestow.
3 You will be a crown of splendor in the Lord’s hand,
a royal diadem in the hand of your God.
4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
or name your land Desolate.
But you will be called Hephzibah,[a]
and your land Beulah[b];
Hephzibah - my delight is in her
Beulah - married
Are you catching what’s happening here? Let’s keep reading:
for the Lord will take delight in you,
and your land will be married.
5 As a young man marries a young woman,
so will your Builder marry you;
Your builder. Who built the universe? The earth? Mankind? Israel? The Lord God.
And is it a coincidence that Jesus’s profession was that of a builder? A carpenter?
But, let’s keep going:
as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride,
so will your God rejoice over you.
6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, Jerusalem;
they will never be silent day or night.
You who call on the Lord,
give yourselves no rest,
7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
and makes her the praise of the earth.
8 The Lord has sworn by his right hand
and by his mighty arm:
“Never again will I give your grain
as food for your enemies,
and never again will foreigners drink the new wine
for which you have toiled;
9 but those who harvest it will eat it
and praise the Lord,
and those who gather the grapes will drink it
in the courts of my sanctuary.”
10 Pass through, pass through the gates!
Prepare the way for the people.
Build up, build up the highway!
Remove the stones.
Raise a banner for the nations.
11 The Lord has made proclamation
to the ends of the earth:
“Say to Daughter Zion,
‘See, your Savior comes!
See, his reward is with him,
and his recompense accompanies him.’”
12 They will be called the Holy People,
the Redeemed of the Lord;
and you will be called Sought After,
the City No Longer Deserted
The Daughter of Zion is coming alive before us. In the first mention of her from David in the Psalms and the first mention of her in Isaiah it was more
The first of a Bible study series on the Daughter of Zion. Episode 26 of the Outside of Sunday Podcast - available on Spotify and Apple Podcast.
Something that I have been thinking about and studying over the break is the ‘daughter of Zion’. I was thinking about it because there’s this song on my kids spotify playlist that just sings word for word Zechariah 9:9 “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.”
And I just did what I do - I got curious. Who is the daughter of Zion? Where else in the bible is the daughter of Zion mentioned? What does she symbolise? Is there any connection to Christ and the daughter of Zion? So I got to work and have been learning all I can about the Daughter of Zion. So that’s what we are going to be going through together on this podcast for the next few episodes.
So let’s break it down for a bit; Daughter of Zion. ‘Bat Tzion’ in Hebrew. It’s a term of endearment. Basically it’s a way to express love for Israel. The daughter of Zion is not one particular person, it’s more like a loving personification of Israel. Zion, being a specific location, a hill in Jerusalem, the Holy city of Israel. So she could be the Daughter of Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Daughter of Israel - they’re all basically the same.
The first time the phrase is used was during the time of King Hezikiah, recorded in 2 Kings 19 and Isaiah 37. It was Isaiah who brought a prophecy, directed to the King of Assyria (Sennacharib), and in the prophecy he speaks of ‘Virgin Daughter Zion’. Now just to be completely clear, ‘Virgin Daughter Zion’ is not referring to a specific daughter of Zion; Israel is the daughter. And Isaiah didn’t coin the term, it’s the name God chose to use for Israel in this instance and in 20 or so other instances across the Old Testament. But this is the first time that it’s used.
Virgin Daughter Zion. What information does that give us? Well we know that Zion is synonymous with Israel. ‘Virgin’ is a symbol of purity. And ‘daughter’ identifies the nation as the child of the Almighty God.
And throughout the Bible, Daughter Zion goes on a journey. It’s a journey that we can follow when we look at the different references to her across the Old Testament.
So I’m looking forward to sharing that with you all in the coming episodes. Today we will be focusing on the birth of the daughter of Israel. The first recorded mention of her, as I said earlier, is in 2 Kings 19 and Isaiah 37 and the reason that both of these books record the first mention of the Daughter of Zion is because Isaiah was the prophet who brought the word of the Lord in the time of King Hezikiah and that’s why it’s recorded in 2 Kings as well as in Isaiah. So what’s happening when God says this about Israel? Let’s context.
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The Christmas season is upon us. I put up my tree last weekend and I’m not even sorry about it. It’s definitely nice to have something to look forward to and celebrate. Last night I got to have a little thanksgiving dinner with some of the amazing young people in our church. Even though we don’t celebrate thanksgiving here in New Zealand it’s always good to be thankful. Especially when we are going through hard times. This has personally been the hardest year of my life but I still have so much to be thankful for.
If you’ve listened to this podcast long enough you will know by now that a passion of mine is encouraging Christians to live their faith outside of Sunday. Outside of a 4-song worship set and a 30 minute sermon. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I love going to church! But if that’s the extent of the pursuit of our relationship with Jesus; if the only time that we worship is in church, the only time we read the bible is in church and the only time we listen to a sermon is in church, then we aren’t building our faith. We are spectators, not participants.
And for the church of New Zealand, we are about to go through a trial, a new season. It’s now more important than ever that we build our faith outside of Sunday.
If you are a Kiwi you will already be aware that this Sunday is the last time any church with 100 or more members will be able to meet without some kind of separation or segregation of the congregation. The new traffic light, COVID alert system will start from the 3rd of December. At the lowest alert level - green - only groups of 100 will be allowed to meet at places of worship. If the alert moves up to orange, churches will be capped at 50 attendees. And if it changes to red, that number goes down to 25, up until yesterday however that number was all the way down to 10. The government announced the move up to 25 just today. Now, we don’t know yet what alert level we will be at when this new system comes into play on the 3rd but whatever it is, church is going to look different. Now, if a church decides to require proof of vaccination, then at the green level there is no limit to the number of vaccinated people at a place of worship. Our church has decided to not require proof of vaccination so we will be capped at 100 church attendees in green, 50 in orange and 25 in red. So, for the next 6 weeks at least, the elders of my church have decided that we will be doing church online but together. We are being encouraged to meet in homes and have church together there. That’s what the church I belong to has decided to do for now, every church in New Zealand will have their own decision to make on how they will handle these new mandates.
So yea, it’s a bit of a bummer. But I don’t want to bring you a word of doom and gloom. I want us to look up. To see the possibility. And in that thanksgiving spirit let’s see these challenges facing us and choose to be thankful through it all. Today I want to encourage you. And as always, our encouragement comes from the Word of God. I’m going to read a passage of scripture for us now and then we are going to look a little deeper and see what the Word has for us today.
2 Corinthians 2:14-17
**14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us as captives in Christ’s triumphal procession and uses us to spread the aroma of the knowledge of him everywhere. 15 For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. 16 To the one we are an aroma that brings death; to the other, an aroma that brings life. And who is equal to such a task? 17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
Let me give you a little background on this passage. At the time of writing this, Paul had a somewhat strained relationship with the church in Corinth. They we**
This episode is for the Christians out there. I’m not going to go into the science of the vaccine; the medical advice either for or against. I’m not a doctor, you don’t want me giving out medical advice. I think we can and should do our own research. So rather than go into all of that we are going to look into the Word of God together to see what guidance the bible has to give us on this matter. Should Christians get the vaccine? Let’s go.
Let’s just talk about God’s wrath for a moment. We don’t often talk about it much do we? At church or small groups, it can be a bit of an ignored subject. It’s not nice to think about God’s wrath. And it’s so easy, the small number of times when we do think about it, to picture a mean, cruel God. And that doesn’t seem to match up with the loving, merciful God we know. So we don’t think about it much. But, we can’t go through our Christian lives avoiding these hard subjects. Or in our bible reading, we can’t only read the bits that make us comfortable and all warm and fuzzy inside. Yes, God is loving and merciful but He is also the judge of the universe, and there is a coming wrath. We have to confront ourselves with these difficult parts of Christianity, these difficult parts of the bible.
John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Romans 1:18 - “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness.”
Romans 2:5 - “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.”
These are some of the parts of the bible and Christianity that our flesh just recoils away from... what do you do when you come across something in the bible that you don’t like, something that seems wrong to you? Let me tell you what we shouldn’t do, first. We shouldn’t skip past, we shouldn’t get offended, we shouldn’t lose our faith because we lack understanding on a certain aspect.
But that requires humility. Being humble enough to be ok not knowing, not understanding something. Once we can start from a place of humility and then I’d recommend taking a moment to pray, ask the Holy Spirit to bring understanding. And then He’s just going to download all information and understanding on the subject directly into your brain. That was a joke, unfortunately that’s not how it works. What we really need to do is wrestle with it. Think about it. Look closer. Learn all that we can about it in the Word of God. Ask someone older and wiser in the faith about it. Look at different teachings on it. And if we do all that but you still don’t have understanding, then it might be something we need to trust God on. Trust that God is good and that understanding will come in time. God might need to open our eyes to certain things in our own lives before the true understanding will come, or maybe understanding won’t come until we are with The Lord in heaven. There are things I’m pretty sure I won’t get the answer to until I get to heaven. And I’m ok with that. Could you be ok with that?
But, there is still a lot that we can understand, this side of heaven, if we just actually take the time to try and understand it. So in saying that, let’s talk about the wrath of God. How can we reconcile the loving God we know and who is often preached about, and the wrathful God in scripture? Listen for more...
This week we are continuing our study of Abigail and answering the question of whether wives should submit to their husbands.
I think we can all learn something from Abigail about dealing with confrontation. It’s funny because it doesn’t seem like she is confronting David but she is. She just does it so carefully that you almost don’t even notice that it’s what she is doing.
So what does David do, how does he respond to Abigail? Well, thankfully, he does what we all should do when we are rushing off to do the wrong thing: be humble enough to listen to sense. He listened and actually heard what Abigail was saying to him. And he actually thanks her for it. How many of us could say that we have thanked someone for pointing out or confronting us on our sinful behaviour?? Well actually technically David thanks God for sending Abigail to him. But I think that counts as thanking her too - David also asks God to bless her for her good judgement and he agrees with one of the first things she said to him - that the Lord HAD kept him from bloodshed that day. The Lord had kept David from bloodshed - by sending her.
This episode we are going back into the Old Testament and actually, back into 1st Samuel. The last time we were in the Old Testament, we were looking at Hannah who’s story is recorded in the first chapters of 1st Samuel. Today we are going to be learning about Abigail and her story that is recorded in 1st Samuel 25. It is the whole chapter but today we are just going to cover up to verse 19 and will continue the study in further episodes.
I'm going there. Don't shoot me. We are reading from 2 John this week and, for the second shortest book of the bible, there is so much to take home.
2nd John is actually the only letter of the New Testament that is addressed to a woman. Most of us will know, that the New Testament part of the Bible, is filled, first with the gospel accounts of Jesus - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And then the rest of it is filled with letters, and these are written usually to specific people or specific churches - and sometimes they are written just to the believers in general. But 2nd John, was written to a woman. And that makes it a little bit special for the ladies listening today.
It's been too long Outsiders, but your girl is back and ready to go! This week we are talking about struggling with sin and fixing our eyes on Jesus.
I feel like I might have left you all on a bit of a cliffhanger in the last episode. So I’ve got some resolving to do…. One of the things I really dislike is when we Christians, have like this varnish on, where we don’t be real, we don’t talk about what’s really going on in our lives. It’s like, if we are having a hard time or a bad day, we can’t let anybody see that - as if that’s going to hurt the other persons faith or as if it means that I’m somehow doing a dis-service to Jesus. I feel like by doing that, and pretending that once you become a Christian from now on your life is just perfect, I think that is worse. Not only that, but it’s also not actually biblical. In Galatians 6 it talks about carrying each others burdens, but how can we do that if we pretend to be perfect?
This week we are talking about what to do when everything in life seems to be going wrong and we are also concluding our study in Hannah.
We are taking a break from our study on Hannah to have a discussion about the Easter season.
This week we are continuing our study of Hannah, talking about the importance of sanctification and seeking the Lord in our grief.
This week we are beginning our study of Hannah, we examine why there is so much polygyny in the Old Testament and we ask why would God close a woman's womb.
A personal update from me on why there has been a bit of a longer Christmas/Summer podcast break than originally planned.
In this episode Jasmine and I discuss the summer heat, what we tell our kids about Santa and we look at Anna's role in the Christmas story.
In this episode I share about my recently tested plumbing skills, pursuing Jesus when you are sick, and we conclude our study in the book of Esther.
This week we take a break from our study to talk with Leanne Ellis of Free Rain International. Leanne shares some powerful stories from her work in the sex tourism capital of the World - Pattaya, Thailand. We talk about her recently released documentary 'Common Not Normal', what trafficking looks like in New Zealand, and how to protect our children from potential abuse.
This week we are talking about bad days, a recent trip to the Dentist and we continue our study in Esther 8.
This week we are talking about the resurrection of Jesus and its evidences. We continue our study in Esther 7, my baby joins us part way through the recording, and we talk about practically pursuing Jesus in our lives.
In this episode I confess my terrible cooking background, I share about a morbid conversation I had with my 6 year old and we pick up our study in Esther 6.
In this episode my wonderful friend Jasmine joins us. We talk about social media, what age our children will be when we let them have phones, and we continue our study in the book of Esther.
In this episode I share about a recent illness, we continue our study in the book of Esther but things don't go according to plan, and I also share about my dream about Jacinda Ardern.
In this episode I am talking with Kate Cormack, the National President of Voice for Life about euthanasia, voting and what Parliament really thinks of Jesus.
In this episode I'm talking with Kate Cormack, National President of Voice for Life on the subject of abortion, her work and the Pro Life role of the church.
This week, believe it or not, we are talking about kids eating poo. We continue our study in the book of Esther. I share about the time I didn't get flowers from my husband and we talk also talk about being doers of the Word, not just hearers.
In this episode I share my embarrassing sock problem, discuss bible school qualifications and continue our study on the book of Esther.
This is the first episode of the Outside of Sunday podcast. I share about my 1 year old's teething troubles, gush over the bible, talk about my view of Women's Conferences and we begin our study on the book of Esther.