Life in Liminality: Recent Episodes
Lori Taylor and Christina Willman
This podcast has been created by Lori Taylor and Christina Willman. The focus will be the subject of Liminality, which is that space in life where you've left something behind that is familiar or stable and entered a period of unknown, waiting, and chaos. Join the conversation.
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In this episode, Lori and Christina have a conversation with national speaker and bestselling author Dr. Heather Thompson Day about her newest book, "What if I'm Wrong? Navigating the Waves of Fear and Failure."
Mentioned in the podcast:
"What If I'm Wrong? Navigating the Waves of Fear and Failure" https://a.co/d/i6UqunJ (to buy the book on Amazon)
https://www.heatherthompsonday.com (find everything about her here)
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In this episode, Christina and Lori discuss loneliness and how we are made for community.
Mentioned in the episode:
Project UnLonely :Jeremy Nobel, MD, MPH
"Our Epidemic of Loneliness and Isolation" U.S. Surgeon General Social Connection Advisory 2023 : https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-social-connection-advisory.pdf
"The Anxious Generation" https://a.co/d/f90Qrli Purchase on Amazon
TED Talk: Why social health is key to happiness and longevity : Kasley Killam :https://www.ted.com/talks/kasley_killam_why_social_health_is_key_to_happiness_and_longevity
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In this episode, Lori and Christina finally enjoy a stirring and meaningful conversation with their husbands about what it looks like to walk through Liminal Space as a couple; when one person enters, both do.
Mentioned in the podcast.
No Man is an Island -Thomas Merton. https://a.co/d/4ggzRtv.
Invitation to a Journey -M. Robert Mulholland Jr. https://a.co/d/2Csgn2r.
Sacred Fire -Ronald Rolheiser. https://a.co/d/7cB2eTJ.
Exodus 3: Moses and the burning bush.
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In this episode, Lori and Christina discuss St. John of the Cross' "Dark Night of the Soul"; its history, intended meaning, crossover with liminal space, and some misconceptions.
Referenced in this Episode: Poetry of St. John of the Cross; Ascent of Mount Carmel; Dark Night of the Soul
Teresa of Avila
Soul Mentoring
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In this episode, Lori and Christina tackle a few questions offered by FL retreat attendees.
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In this episode, Lori and Christina look back on the year 2024, travels, and some liminal stories of friends.
They also take a moment to look ahead to 2025 and the exciting things God might have in store for not only their stories, but yours too!
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In this episode, TiB's very own Christina Willman is the guest!
Christina and Lori have a conversation about a revised life and how choosing God's Will allows beauty, provision, and grace in to transform your mind.
Mentioned:
this beautiful truth: Sarah Clarkson. https://a.co/d/geLCjdr
The Bible.
Romans 12v2
2Corinthians 3v16 MSG
Not mentioned but better said:
IronTina: Rescue Story Spotify Playlist. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/53iigphysP1QmmhCKRQKBc?si=x5NWV4uWRnOfusbcJ91HQQ
Christina's bloghttp://irontinamsfnl.blogspot.com
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In this episode we revisit an edited conversation between Lori and Kari Baker, Director of KIND Families.
The episode is different since Lori is the guest!
The conversation is edited from the full episode which was initially published on the KIND Families Podcast in early April 2024, speaks to some of what Thriving in Between is all about and the postures we discuss here.
You may remember Kari from listening to the episode in Season 5 about Kari's liminal space, thriving, and how KIND Families came to be.
KIND Families seeks to shine a light on the amazing kids (and families) who love kids with invisible neurological differences.
Kari is not only a podcast host, but loves to speak with groups, and she is an author!
You can grab her newest book available for preorder at https:www.findingkind.myshopify.com!
Connect with her on Instagram and LinkedIn
@kariabaker
Visit https:www.kariabaker.com and https:www.kindfamilies.com for more information and content.
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In this episode, Lori and Christina talk to their good friend Kai about her journey through liminal space and the wisdom she’s gained in the in-between.
In this episode, Lori and Christina enjoy some time with two guests who have unique lives to have a conversation about what healthy transitions might look like.
Mentioned in this episode:
Burn Up Or Splash Down: Surviving the Culture Shock of Re-Entry
Book by Marion Knell
In this episode Lori and Christina talk with their good friend Kari Baker about her personal liminal journey and THRIVING in-between.
Mentioned in the episode:
http://kariabaker.com
http://findingkind.myshopify.com
@kariabaker on Instagram
In this minisode, Lori and Christina discuss traveling to a Jesuit Retreat Center in Texas for a big adventure.
Mentioned in the podcast.
https://riverside.fm
https://montserratretreat.org
In this minisode, Lori and Christina talk more about the adventure they were on and Spiritual Direction.
Mentioned in this podcast.
https://www.ruthhaleybarton.com
https://montserratretreat.org
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/one-minute-pause/id1471913620
In this episode, Lori and Christina give a broad view of who we are, where we are, and what we're about from the plane at 10,000ft.
In this episode, Lori and Christina have a conversation with Katie Kibbe, author and cultivator of authentic friendships, about how a unique community develops during liminal times.
Mentioned in the podcast:
@katie_kibbe
http://katiekibbe.substack.com
The Writer's Refuge (link in Katie's Instagram profile)
In this episode, Christina and Lori have a conversation with Kelli Monical (registered nurse, Stephen Ministry Leader, etc.) about how we can effectively walk WITH someone during times of sorrow, tragedy, (and other difficult struggles).
Mentioned on the podcast:
https://www.stephenministries.org/stephenministry/default.cfm/917?mnbsm=1.
https://a.co/d/9t7fJfL. The Good Neighbor: The Life and Work of Fred Rodgers by Maxwell King
https://a.co/d/15VhULD. A Grace Disguised by Jerry Sittser
Author Max Lucado quote
In this episode Lori and Christina discuss the common pitfalls, traps, and landmines that can befall us during our "in-between" journey.
In this episode, Lori and Christina chat with mental health expert Mandi Pierson about Trauma Informed Care and the importance of creating safe spaces for individuals (and ourselves).
Mentioned in the podcast:
Window of Tolerance Dan Siegel. https://drdansiegel.com.
A Grace Disguised by Jerry Sittser. https://a.co/d/8yyqqGN.
https://porchlightcolumbus.com/.
Liturgy of the Ordinary. https://tishharrisonwarren.com/liturgy-of-the-ordinary.
In this episode, Lori and Christina discuss pilgrimage on the Camino de Santiago AND in our everyday lives with author, speaker, film maker and fellow podcaster Tony Kriz.
Mentioned in the podcast:
Book. Sacred Pathways by Gary Thomas. https://a.co/d/dhNJ3dY.
www.tonykriz.com. Books. Films. Speaker engagement requests.
Tony and Kari's podcast: Pilgrim Lost. https://pilgrimlost.com/
New feature documentary coming soon: “Sentenced”
In this episode, Lori and Christina discuss the Posture of Adventure with some metaphors, biblical examples and personal stories.
Mentioned in the podcast.
The Faith of Leap: Embracing a Theology of Risk, Adventure & Courage by Michael Frost and Alan Hirsch.
Stories of Ruth and Esther in the Bible.
In this episode, Lori and Christina have a conversation with Pastor Don and his experience with Liminal Space. God has used it to change him, his relationships and the trajectory of his life.
Mentioned in the podcast.
Pastor Don's recent sermon at Mountain Park.
https://www.mountainpark.org/sermons/the-reality-of-jesus
Romans 5:3-5
In this episode, Lori and Christina consider the thread of HOPE throughout the Liminal Postures.
In the first episode of 2022, Lori and Christina, discuss HOPE.
Where does our understanding of HOPE come from?
Where do we get HOPE?
Can we get more of it?
Let's do a deep dive in some books, psychology and medical studies!
Books mentioned in the podcast:
The Hope Quotient by Ray Johnston
The Anatomy of Hope: How People Prevail in the Face of Illness by Jerome Groopman
Atlas of the Heart: Mapping Meaningful Connection and the Language of Human Experience by Brené Brown
In this episode, Lori and Christina talk with Clinical Psychologist, Professor and Author, Dr. Deb Gorton about her new book, Embracing Uncomfortable as well as some parallels with Life in Liminality.
Link to the book. https://www.debgorton.com/book.
Mentioned in the podcast: Embracing Uncomfortable website. https://www.embracinguncomfortable.com.
In this episode, Lori and Christina answer an email question regarding "Empathy" through the lens of liminality.
Erik gives some practical ways to improve our empathy aptitude.
Discussed in the podcast:
LiL podcast about mourning. https://lifeinliminality.buzzsprout.com/887302/3641674-is-this-over-yet-a-posture-of-mourning-in-liminal-space.
Books:
Vulnerable by Raleigh Sadler
Power of Moments by Chip and Dan Heath
Compassionomics by Stephen Trzeciak and Anthony Mazzarelli
In this episode, Lori and Christina have an inspiring conversation with Pastor Fraser Venter about his own liminal experience, the knowledge he has gained from studying liminality, and his insights gleaned from walking with others through transitions.
Mentioned in this episode:
St. John of the Cross
Thomas Merton
David stories: 1 Samuel 21 & 22
Canoeing The Mountains by Tod Bolsinger
Tempered Resilience by Tod Bolsinger
Cucamonga Christian Fellowship and Pastor Fraser Venter https://ccflive.org
Waymaker https://youtu.be/iJCV_2H9xD0
Lori's Online Course: Embracing Life In-Between (Course begins March 16th, lasts 7 weeks)
http://www.mountaintreks.org/online-courses
In this episode, Lori and Christina have a conversation with Angela McCurren about what "adventure" means for healing and growing during liminal space.
Angela McCurren's Instagram.
@outdoor.angventures.
Angela McCurren's website. www.outdoorangventures.com.
Books mentioned on the podcast.
Adventure and the Way of Jesus by Greg Robinson
The Faith of Leap by Michael Frost and Alan Hirsch
In this episode, Lori and Christina walk through the some of the characteristics and importance of taking the posture of a pilgrim during wandering times.
Books mentioned in the episode.
The Sacred Journey by Charles Foster. https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Journey-Ancient-Practices/dp/0849946093.
The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday. https://www.amazon.com/Obstacle-Way-Timeless-Turning-Triumph/dp/1591846358/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1601176982&sr=1-1
In this episode, Lori and Christina speak with their first female guest, producer, Christi Martinelli about how we can tap into creativity during liminal times.
Mentioned in the podcast.
Christi's website: anchorshineproductions.com
Christi's Instagram pages: @anchorshine @christimartinelli
In this episode, Christina and Lori learn from Sam Van Eman, author of Disruptive Discipleship:The Power of Breaking Routine to Kickstart Your Faith about how we can let disruptions guide us to growth.
Sam Van Eman's website. https://www.samvaneman.com/.
Sam's book link. https://www.samvaneman.com/writing-2/disruptive-discipleship/.
CCO Experiential Design website. https://ccojubilee.org/about-cco-xd/.
Discussed in the podcast. https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/examen-prayer-card/.
In this minisode, Lori and Christina discuss the importance of creating disciplines during liminal times to position us to receive not achieve.
Discussed in the podcast. Discerning the Voice of God by Pricilla Shirer. https://www.amazon.com/Discerning-Voice-God-Revised-Recognize/dp/1462774040
In this episode, Christina and Lori have a conversation with film director Mathew Embry where they discuss his discipline and perseverance through his own liminal space.
Mathew Embry. https://www.mshope.com.
Living Proof film. https://www.seelivingproof.com.
In this episode, Christina and Lori host a conversation with PC Walker, author, speaker and Residence Life Director at William Jessup University. PC discusses replacing our broken images of God while waiting in the tension of being pulled back like an arrow in the Master Archer's bow.
PC Walker Website.
http://www.ragamuffinpc.com/.
PC's latest book: Won't Stop Calling Your Name.
https://www.ragamuffinpc.com/signed-books/wscyn.
Also mentioned in the podcast.
Martin Luther King Jr.- Unfulfilled Dreams
In their first minisode, Christina and Lori highlight some important truths about the posture of Revision.
In this episode, Christina and Lori discuss the posture of Mourning. What can we gain from it? How do we find clarity of the essential truths of who we are and who God is?
Resources:
A Grace Disguised by Jerry Sittser
Crushing by T.D. Jakes
A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis
Permission to Feel by Marc Brackett
In this episode, Christina and Lori enjoy their first guest interview with Pastor Matt Anderson, lead pastor at McDowell Church in Scottsdale, Arizona. Not only does he discuss his own liminal experience but he gives some valuable rhythms to practice during liminality.
If you want to find out more about Pastor Matt and McDowell Church, visit https://mcdowell.church/
Other resources mentioned:
A Long Obedience in the Same Direction by Eugene Peterson (IV Press, 1980)
"Becoming Aware of Our Thirst," Chapter 6 in Inside Out by Larry Crabb (NavPress, 2013)
Part 2:
In this episode, Christina and Lori are continuing the discussion on the posture of Hospitality. They offer metaphors and challenges of being welcoming in liminality.
Part 1:
In this episode, Christina and Lori define the overarching idea of "Postures" and their role in Liminal Space, then begin looking at the posture of Hospitality.
In this episode, Christina and Lori discuss why liminal space can be so difficult and what it means to take an inventory of our typical responses.
Welcome to the beginning of the conversation. Join us for the journey through liminal space.