From 2018, Vernon and I talked about Working in America circa 2018. I remastered this one and added intro music and cleaned up the audio.

This was our first co-hosted podcast and was to be a starting point for dotpaw. Sadly, life had other plans for both of us.

For me it is such a joy to hear Vernon and relive our friendship. He was truly one of the greats. And he is missed by many and loved by more. #RIPVman

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