Julie Chernov Hwang from Goucher College joins Trevor Thrall and Sahar Khan to discuss why Indonesian jihadists leave militancy in her new book, Why Terrorists Quit. Julie Chernov Hwang’s bio * Why Terrorists Quit: The Disengagement of Indonesian Jihadists * Julie Chernov Hwang, “The Unintended Consequences of Amending Indonesia’s Anti‐​Terrorism Law,” Lawfare Blog, October 1, 2017 * Anita Rachman and Ben Otto, “Families with Bombs: Islamic State inspires new wave of Indonesian Terrorism,” Wall Street Journal, May 14, 2018 * Sidney Jones, “How ISIS has changed terrorism in Indonesia,” New York Times*, May 22, 2018

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